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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 2) (5/8/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to the interview given by the R and
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  D officer from MCC to the OIG investigators. Question, Okay,
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  do you recall who your supervisor was when you worked
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  at the MCC on August ninth and tenth? Answer? I
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  would only know by looking at this roster redacted Lieutenant redacted.
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  Question so you report only to redacted? Or do you
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  report to any other CEO? He gets cut off by
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  the R and D officer. No, she is the only
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  supervisor on duty during that time. Question during the night
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  and so both days it was midnight to eight am?
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  Answer yeah. Question okay, was she the only supervisor? Answer yeah.
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  Question are you familiar with inmate Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes.
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  Question did Jeffrey Epstein have a cellmate? Answer yes he did.
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  Question do you know who it was? Answer? I don't know,
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  but I know the inmate went out to court, I
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  believe Friday, and didn't come back from court. I don't
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  know if he got released from court, but he didn't
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  come back to the institution that day. Question how do
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  you know that? Answer? Because I work an R and
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  D question. So is this from your knowledge from working
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  in R and D that day or on a later date?
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  Answer my knowledge of working in R and D that day. Question? Okay,
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  So that's because according to this you were an R
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  and D answer. I was an R and D question.
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  I mean, you're an internal answer, right, But this is midnight.
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  My hours an R and D is from twelve to eight.
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  Question twelve to eight, So did you work later in
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  the shift? So that redacted beyond the schedule at all.
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  You're not going to be on this roster. It's not
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  going to show you as twelve to eight answer. Custody
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  has a different roster from my department roster question okay, answer,
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  So you're not going to see my department. My department
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  hours would be that what you see on that timesheet
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  is this considered overtime? So anything here where it says
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  additional this is overtime because you see the two shifts,
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  the eight up here and the edit the bottom question. Okay, answer,
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  and that's sixteen hours for the day. Question. So I'm
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  going to go back and clarify. On August ninth, you
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  worked from midnight to eight am, and you were internal
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  answer yes, question and then after that, what was your
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  next shift? Question that was Saturday? The next day that
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  would be midnight the next shift question? Okay, answer these
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  are all midnight shifts. Question midnight shift? But did you
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  work regular shifts those days? August ninth and August tenth?
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  Answer in my department? Question yeah, R and D answer
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  if it's Friday and Thursday or a Friday and a Saturday.
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  A Saturday, I wouldn't be in my department, no question.
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  What about Friday? Answer Friday, I'm in my department, yes,
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  because my department is Monday through Friday. Question and what's
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  your regular time? Answer twelve to eight. I believe I
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  was working twelve to eight. Question that's midnight to eight, right,
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  but midnight to eight answer no, No, twelve pm in
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  the afternoon twelve to eight pm. Question to eight pm. So,
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  according to this, you were in internal from on August
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  ninth from midnight to eight am. Then there was a
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  four hour break. Are you saying that there was a
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  four hour break and then you work from he gets
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  cut off by the guard. I'm not sure right here
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  based on this, because I might have been working two
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  to ten because I had to do twelve to eight
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  or two pm to ten pm. So based on this,
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  this says regular base. This might have been from the
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  day shift because this says regular base. So this might
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  have been I work midnight to eight in the morning
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  and then maybe eight to four in my department because
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  I don't see well, I don't record my duty hours
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  in my department at that time. Question it's been a while. Answer, Yeah,
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  I'm sorry. Question, But the follow up you said that
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  you knew that Epstein's cell mate had left because you
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  were working in R and D, So you probably want
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  to follow up with that answer. So we key inmates
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  in and out to court. Question So that so, reyis,
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  how did you first come to learn that he left? Answer?
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  Because we have to keey them out to go to court.
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  I mean, I don't know actually at the moment that
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  he was Epstein's cell mate. But when the comment came
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  up that is bunkie, they moved his bunkie. They put
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  him in a cell by himself. And when we learned
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  who that specific inmate was, that's how I became aware
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  that No, this guy went to court and he was
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  released from court wherever he got removed to never came
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  back from court. Question, what do you mean they moved
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  his bunkie to a separate cell. Answer they kept saying
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  Epstein was put in a cell by himself, he didn't
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  have a cell mate. That was not the case. He
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  did have a cell mate, but he got released from
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  the court or wherever it is the martial took him to,
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  and that he didn't come back to MCC but off
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  the top to say, I knew that was actually a
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  cell mate. I didn't know that until we became aware
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  of who the inmate was that got released and went
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  to court, because we don't know who inmates cell mats
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  are just by working in R and D, we just
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  know their bet assignment and what unit they're coming in from.
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  Question No, working in R and D, are you familiar
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  with someone or something called the court list? Answer yeah?
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  Question was intimate Rayus's name on the court list? Answer yeah?
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  Question do you recall? Answer yeah, because I think that's
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  the guy that we keyed out to court. Question okay,
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  and what is the court list? Answer? A court list
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  is something we get from the marshals. They'll send us
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  over just a roster of names of inmates to appear
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  for production to the court. Either going out on an
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  riit being transferred to another jail. A court list consists
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  of whatever type of movement that the marshals want the
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  inmates for. It could be appearing before a profer to
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  tell on somebody. It could be whatever it is that
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  they need them to appear for court production. For question,
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  how did the marshal send it over? Answer? They always
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  email it or fax it. Question who receives the email?
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  Answer everybody in R and D? Question do you recall
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  who was working in R and D that day? Answer? No, question,
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  everybody receives it? Answer Yeah, everybody in R and D
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  receives it. But I couldn't say off the top of
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  my head, oh this person worked. I don't remember who
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  worked with me that day. Question So everybody that actually
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  is in R and D you all get the same
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  court sheet, so it doesn't matter who was working that
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  day or not? Answer right, question, everybody would have gotten it.
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  Do you recall receiving the email? Answer? I don't receiving
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  the email, but I know we had a court list.
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  Question who creates the court list? Answer? Whoever is doing movement? Question?
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  And what so you just mentioned all the inmates that's
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  listed on there? Anything for movement and the marshall send
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  it over and they email it. And what do you get? Answer?
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  Email or facts? You said right, answer yeah, email or facts. Well,
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  I believe they were doing both the email and faxing
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  at the time. Question so you get both? Answer yeah.
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  Question and once the list comes over, who did you
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  say creates the court list? Answer the movement officer. If
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  the movement officer is not there, whoever is filling in
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  It might be somebody in the front desk, just someone
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  in the department. They'll fill out or complete the court list,
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  put in a call out and get it prepared to overnight.
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  The officer who is internal can pass it out to
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  the housing unit so that the inmates are aware when
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  they wake up the next day, or the officer can say, hey,
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  I got this inmate. I've got to get them ready
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  for court the next day. Question who is the movement officer? Answer?
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  I don't know. I don't know who the movement officer
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  was at the time. I don't know. Question. When you
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  say a movement officer, are you talking about control? Answer? No,
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  question I mean internal answer no, R and B question
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  R and D movement officer answer we have different positions. Yeah.
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  Question okay. Answer, we have different positions in R and
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  D where everybody had a different function. Question okay, So
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  is the movement officer in R and D basically like
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  will they go into internal with indiscernible answer No, They're
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  like they prepare the transfer order if inmates or moving
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  out of the institution. Question so they're doing the background
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  of what the internal guide does. Almost answer they don't
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  have anything to do with internal. Question okay, because okay, sorry,
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  it's making more things more indiscernible. Answer, nothing to do
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  with internal. It's just preparing inmates to move out of
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  the institution, preparing the production list for inmates for a unit,
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  for a list to be disseminated to the housing units,
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  for the officers to know what inmate has to appear
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  in court the next day. The movement officer my draft up,
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  get or compile like a medical summary, transit order, anything
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  that they need to put together for an inmate to
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  be released, to move out of the institution, to be transferred.
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  That's what the movement officer does. Question do you recall
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  what your position was in the R and D that day?
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  Answer I might have been R and D. Question okay,
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  answer I might have been R and D. I don't
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  believe I was movement, but I might have been R
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  and D. Question, So, as R and D, what would
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  you have taken care of? Answer? Court Movement inmates going
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  in and out, king them in and out, getting inmates
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  down to my area to get prepared for court, tracking
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  inmates going out to the hospital, king inmates going out
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  to the hospital, king inmates coming back. Basically, i'd be
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  responsible for like inmates leaving in and out of the
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  institution and preparing them to get out of the institution.
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  Question we can take a step back. When did the
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  Marshal's list normally come over? Do they send over the
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  night before? Answer? Yeah, question evening before or they send
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  it the morning of answer evening before? Question around what time? Answer?
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  I think it's always around It's approximately between I would
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  say between three and five. Yeah, like three and five
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  something like that around that timeframe. It's not like A
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  said time, it's whoever does it and fax is it
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  over and emails it. But it was about maybe like
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  three and five or between three and six some like that.
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  Question and then once R and D receives it, you
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  guys prepare a court list. Answer yeah, question and what
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  does it state on that court list? Answer, it's just
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  a document, like a century created document that shows the
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  inmates' name, his housing unit, if he has a separate
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  indiscernible in the institution, and what time he has to
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  come down to R and D to move out for court,
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  whether it'll be that he has court in the AM
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  or court in the PM. Question. Okay, And would it
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  state like let's say, if an inmate was leaving and
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  not coming back, would it stated on there? Answer? Yeah,
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  it would say, WAB. But most oftentimes pre trial is
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  because they're not our inmate. There are marshals inmates. The
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  marshals can move them at any given time and just
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  forward us back a disposition of the inmate leaving inmates,
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  So and so is released to probation. Here's a cutslip
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  for you guys and your file. Then we can go
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  ahead and key them out. But we don't key inmates out, WAB.
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  If they're going to court, we key them out at
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  the time we're doing what was considered an outcount. We
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  weren't king inmates out. We were keying them on an
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  out count. So we know that we have an account
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  of who went to court, and we have an account
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  of who came back from court. Question, so you're saying
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  that you guys wouldn't remove the inmate completely from the
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  count and we just leave them under the outcount. Answer. Yeah,
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  we could only remove them if prior to that list,
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  when he got the list it says transferred, WAB were
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  sending him somewhere to Brooklyn or he's going back to
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  the state that night before we would know that. But
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  sometimes at the spur of the moment, things might arise.
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  A judge might give a person time served, he might
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  commit him to drug treatment, a program, probation might come
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  and pick him up. It could be a number of
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  things that take place at court that it might be
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  just a regular court proceeding. But then he gets released
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  and he doesn't come back to the institution. Question do
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  you recall seeing inmate efren Reyis name on that list? Answer?
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  If he was on that list at that time, then
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  I've seen it, but I don't recall now speaking now,
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  but at that time, Yeah, if his name's on the list, yes,
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  Question do you recall if his I know you said
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  you don't recall, But by any chance would you have
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  known if he had left WAB? What does WAB stand
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  for answer with all belongings, meaning they're being transferred either
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  to an airlift, transferred to another BOP, transferred to another
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  state institution that the Marshalls will be transferring them to.
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  Question and you don't recall if his name was on
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  WAB on that list. Answer No, I don't recall that.
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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