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Derby Defeat, Title Race & Spurs Trouble! | Outside the Box Ep 2 · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

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  Welcome to Outside the Box with Leon Osmond, Tony Bellew and myself, Liam Kizzleton.
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  Before we kick off into the inevitable Aussie, I heard you had a bit of success in a golf
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  tournament this week.
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  I did have another community golf day, held it for me home last week, supposed to be me,
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  Tony, Jags and Nick Chadwick, Jags and Tony dropped out, I had to bring in reinforcements
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  and I won.
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  You won?
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  I won!
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  Oh my Lord!
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  Bandits of the Highest!
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  I won!
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  Absolutely!
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  I won!
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  No, you won!
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  No, my team won!
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  I won't be in the team work!
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  Oh okay, I know what I thought he was.
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  As soon as we got us, we shedded all the poor players.
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  I've either turned up, I do get called a bandit from times of time, but Leon is the ultimate
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  bandit.
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  The only bandit that's worse than Leon.
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  I've got an official handicap.
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  Oh yeah, Robbie's bad.
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  Robbie's bad.
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  Robbie's a riff.
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  Yeah.
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  Robbie's like, should be a scratch player.
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  I'll put me in this.
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  10.7.
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  Oh my Lord, he's a single handicap.
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  Hold on.
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  I'm hoping to improve this season with more money.
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  Yeah, I'm sure you are.
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  It was a good start.
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  Tony was supposed to be in the team and dropped out because he had a bad back.
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  Bad back.
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  It's not a bad back.
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  It's not a bad back.
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  You know what it is?
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  I'm struggling after the call.
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  It's called a marriage in four kids.
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  That's partly more important than reason.
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  For the, I'm struggling since I have made, since it's not made kill.
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  He's at soccer aid.
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  It's been a nightmare and coming back.
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  He's, I'm at the point now where the left Achilles that was snapped the left legs
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  and outfired.
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  And again, in the calf's working, kind of trying to work itself properly.
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  And me right leg is taking a lot less of the load, but it put me back out.
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  And he's doing acupoints.
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  You need to so we have the needle.
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  That big of me back.
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  And then it turned up to these and just doors.
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  I definitely can't place it.
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  Yeah.
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  The best thing to put it back into our team now.
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  Yeah.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Who did you beat?
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  Everybody.
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  He's just basically everybody who goes there on the day.
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  Not much competition at all in the past.
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  Yeah.
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  Graves Stewart was better upset with me.
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  I mean, it was.
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  Yeah.
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  It wasn't best, please.
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  But I've got to be honest.
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  It just felt real good.
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  It felt real good.
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  Being a winner out there.
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  As Tiger likes to say.
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  It felt real good out there.
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  So what are you been up to Tony?
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  I'm just, I'm still fed up.
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  I'm not going to lie.
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  There's no point in getting beaten down the bush.
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  I'm just fed up.
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  I'm not going to lie.
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  I'm not going to lie.
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  I've got to say I did have a moment on the weekend.
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  So I'm a season ticket holder at the Hill Dickinson.
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  So I sit in the upper road to boss view.
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  In extra time.
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  So I was sitting up the corner whips in.
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  And never to put up on his bandike runs off to exactly where I'm standing.
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  Looking at me kissing the badge.
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  I have a moment.
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  And though, that's Tony Belly who's fault that.
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  Yeah.
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  Because you said he hates playing against Beto.
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  That's what you did.
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  He did actually.
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  Yeah.
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  Beto was always our best player.
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  Well, you did also say you needed a sloth on the side.
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  Lamb of a shiny head.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  That's easy.
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  I just kissed it.
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  But listen.
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  He is an amazing player.
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  And he probably.
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  The one of the best defenders of our generation.
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  I don't believe he's the best generation.
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  And I believe that's how we often handle John Terry.
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  But he's got a knack of, you know,
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  I'm showing up in very important moments for that club.
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  And that's what he's got.
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  I mean, he's, he has been a brilliant defender.
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  It's a special player.
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  I don't know.
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  When you're talking about the best though, I,
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  I don't know if John Terry or your Ferdinand's, your Tony Adams.
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  I don't know if they had the dip that bandikes had this season.
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  There's no getting away from it.
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  Even he would have to admit that if I had standards, he's had a dip.
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  Whether that's all the leadership and everything that goes into it.
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  I don't know.
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  When you're talking about the best defenders of all time,
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  you think of the Maldini's and people of this world.
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  They were at the top and stayed there.
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  No, I walked away from the bad game.
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  You might have a bad week.
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  I don't know if they ever had a bad season season.
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  So I don't know if that weighs into it.
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  I don't know whether Liverpool fans.
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  I just hate the fact that I'm going to say that.
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  Are we playing?
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  The top-class defender.
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  No doubt about it.
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  But the very, very top of the Premier League ever.
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  Are we playing in a different era?
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  Because I think if Real Ferdinand was playing today,
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  he would just be unstoppable.
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  He would be able to...
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  I just think defenders are so precious.
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  Now, you're such a defender.
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  He goes over to just get a free kick.
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  It's as simple as that.
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  I mean, you showed the bar to him a certain way.
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  The referee's blown.
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  I mean, in that game on Sunday,
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  I thought the referee was to disgrace first and foremost.
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  I thought he would pull really, really pull.
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  And I thought he set the tempo and the standing for the game.
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  When Vegel van Dijk, no yellow cards are getting given out.
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  Vegel van Dijk commits a really...
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  It's a professional foul.
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  It's brilliant.
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  I'm not going to knock him.
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  It's a really clever foul.
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  You get caught out of position.
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  We're on the counter attack.
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  I think they're the corner.
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  And as he's running in,
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  he just goes right through the back of one of the players.
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  And it just showed the bar to him to the floor.
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  Pickers runs out and screams at the referee.
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  Why isn't he getting a yellow one?
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  And he just booked pickers.
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  It's a blatant yellow card.
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  I'm not saying he should be sent off.
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  And it's not a really dirty challenge.
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  But it's a professional foul.
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  And he's done it because he was caught out of it.
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  And I'm not saying that.
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  It's doing that part of...
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  How has he not been given the yellow to the ball?
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  That's part of the ball.
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  Is that the referee in order?
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  No.
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  You've got a reputation of being a top defender.
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  You're always, as well, one of those players that's in the referees here,
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  speaking to the referee.
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  And that's not me criticising.
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  And that's me actually praising.
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  And that's part of the game.
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  That's something good that people...
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  That's something good that people...
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  That's something good that people...
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  You should go completely...
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  You know, I was constantly in the referees here.
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  So I'm one of the people that actually think...
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  It's actually a big part of the game, because the referee has his own thoughts.
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  And if you can even put any words in there...
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  You can just put extra thoughts in his mind
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  from to think about something on your side.
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  It's fine, but it was...
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  It probably wasn't booked, wasn't it?
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  It's a bad mess from the ref, that was.
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  And then it's a book picker.
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  I don't know what he shows on it.
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  We can all imagine what he shows on the box.
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  Like that.
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  The minute he's left his box and we'll run 30 yards or so.
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  It's the referee.
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  But as you're not going to have the right to do that,
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  when he's not booking them,
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  and it's a clear and obvious professional file.
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  Going back 30 years or so, yeah.
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  And then the Premier League now.
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  I mean, if you run 10 yards to confront the referee like that,
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  you're getting...
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  You're getting a yellow card.
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  But I mean, that was just part of the story, wasn't it?
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  There we go.
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  I thought we played really well.
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  I really did.
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  Especially first.
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  Yeah.
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  Going into the game as we were talking last week,
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  we're saying our excitement is to go into a derby
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  that we're positive about,
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  that we think we're going to win Liverpool fans.
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  The majority were saying they'd take a draw.
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  Because of what was at stake.
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  And that actually felt really good.
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  I was really positive.
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  I'm for 28, 29 minutes.
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  The buildup before the game was outstanding.
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  I played everybody meeting the coach.
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  The T-fo in the stadium.
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  The noise, the single longer.
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  He couldn't help but get swept along by it
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  and sucked into it.
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  Absolutely brilliant.
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  And for 28 minutes,
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  I thought we played really well.
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  Should have scored a goal.
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  No, we were better than them.
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  We should have scored a couple of goals.
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  And just for a couple of inches,
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  Jacob Ryan.
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  And I was literally,
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  because I was doing the TV at the weekend.
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  And I sat right,
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  probably three or four seats to the side of the bench.
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  Jacob Ryan was right in front of me.
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  Liverpool pushed up so quickly
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  if you watch it back, he's just sort of,
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  thinks he's got all the time in the world to get into place.
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  And I was like, Jake, get on side, Jake.
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  Get on side.
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  And frustration of seeing,
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  so as that ball went across
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  and what came after,
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  I didn't celebrate.
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  He's on right in line.
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  I knew.
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  He was on my line from when I was sitting there.
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  And I thought he was on side,
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  because it was so close.
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  I knew there was a player just after them
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  who was off side,
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  but he let it pass him.
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  And he didn't into fear.
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  So I thought,
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  I said, I was saying to the people sitting next.
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  I said, Jake's on side.
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  I said, each off side,
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  whoever was in front of you.
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  It's just like we're close.
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  I've watched it back closely,
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  even though I don't like to go into too much,
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  but the show I do on the Mondays.
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  And Jared was on side by,
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  by centimeters.
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  And Jared would have touched it
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  just towards Jake.
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  Everything would have been,
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  everything would have been five.
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  But everybody thought,
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  and I thought Jared was off side.
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  Jake jumped back last moment.
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  And I had to go to the line.
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  I didn't see it because it was right in front of him.
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  And obviously what came afterwards and the eruption
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  from the fires,
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  feeling within the stadium.
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  The limbs and arms everywhere was amazing to watch.
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  I just knew from my position
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  it was going to get overridden.
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  Okay,
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  adversity goes against you.
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  But let's make sure we keep playing as we are playing.
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  And then for the first time in the game,
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  we tried to really play out from the back through them,
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  where they hadn't created a chance
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  as they had another moment
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  up till that point in the game Liverpool. And you try and create play through the lines one
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  sloppy moment in your own half. And they've got the quality to capital tell us they're very
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  good at pressing and we didn't let them do that until the moment we can see that the goal which
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  by chance came a minute and four seconds after the goal that we'd actually had ruled out
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  and that was more than a goal punch once to ask you that you know when we score the goal and
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  obviously that we're the fans are up in the place I think it's all great and it's very good
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  because they don't see the original the line I go up. Is that I'm not a lapsing concentration
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  from the lads or is that just just pure unlucky? I don't know what is it? There was a lot of them
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  beyond that Liverpool line if you look back at the uh not I mean when they score oh when they score
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  yeah so it is in a lapsicon because it's so quick after we've just scored and it's being
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  this allowed like because the shape is so good I actually felt it was a bit of overconfidence
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  yeah as silly as we've got the sound like usually you get caught up by doing something silly doing
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  something like you shouldn't do but it was as if sort of right okay we've we're now confident
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  enough to actually try and play out the rather than just keep doing what we were doing getting
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  into good areas playing off playing off better off the front and getting into the getting up to
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  the halfway line of playing suddenly you're playing out from the back even Michelinco went
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  way too early to try and get forward thinking we're going to be playing through the lines this
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  is all going great and good teams and Liverpool are a good team okay anyway good teams will hear
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  you've won one good tackle poor from from the white and given that that ball away in that moment
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  great pass from from Gakpo and Sellett gets that goal which was frustrating and it not the
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  stuffing out of us and we did well to get in at half time after that because because we were on
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  the back foot but that was the first half gone despite a really good start yeah you could tell
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  that it was kind of deflated after that after that goal going back to the the decision with the
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  with the VIR that robbed the fans of an amazing moment there where you stand when VIR comes in like
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  that it's offside so in those in those moments in those instances I don't think there's any getting
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  away if it's offside yeah it's offside it's not even close to the officials actually should have
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  seen that as it was maybe the if the linesman assistant referees now would have noticed it put his
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  flag up really early then just it ends it straight away then we don't get that over emotion that over
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  endurance that that celebration and then the deflation me daughter is an is an epitone she's always
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  been an epitone but she's really getting into going the games this week yeah sorry this season
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  she hasn't done all of them because to somebody really late midweek games and I'm getting her into it
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  as as we go and she got overexcited for the game she was absolutely loving it she jumped on the
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  robe apparently the like the robe she got so excited on the front as well she was so excited for the
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  goal and then she got come down back down to her way at Liverpool Scores and then she put her
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  headphones in a watch the phone for 20 minutes she said what happened she went it was just too much
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  she was like the hide the loaners I got don't even like this anyway
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  well yeah the bounce back in the second half we're a great cross by
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  Jews we always done really well there did you think I haven't my back in it at that moment
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  well we were back in it so doubt about that I thought we started the second half okay I thought we
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  grew into it I thought we figured out how to hurt Liverpool in the first half and the second half
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  getting the ball out to element it initially but I've been keen on making that running behind
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  Curtis Jones into that fallback area or better running in between the center halves it was always
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  that left wing area for us right center half position for Liverpool where we were getting in
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  behind and doing the damage and I thought we we tried to play a little bit intricate to start with
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  and then started to realise yeah let's just keep playing a better guardian once or twice did that
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  flick-flack with his foot I thought his leg was going to fall off knowing the way he does that in that
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  moment but it was good quality it was really good when Keen and running into that area flashed it
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  across and and Beto got on the end of it and at that point we were playing well and it was just
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  a it was a real shame that I thought Beto played well you said before he was mad at the match I didn't
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  think it was mad at the match but I thought he played well and I did think the better happens
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  to go off really here to yeah yeah I agree because he was really taking the fight on from that moment
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  mixed with a substitution that maybe didn't quite work the way David Moise wanted it to
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  we we never really got in the front foot again and that was disappointing oh you
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  I got ringtone though you test anyone's wondering that Tony's ring phone going off
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  that is and I am really sorry that's not what I'm going to do
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  can't plan pot cop I found him as well
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  I wasn't doing that for me again Carview Swat
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  yeah you know what Beto going off massively helped him because
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  canata and bandai were talking to them each other at the back and you could see they were
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  just like you're gonna you're gonna stay with him this time I just it's like now they're
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  the ones to be near him because he just clattered the balls them all day I thought he got stuck
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  into them but even when he got on the ball he looked after it well he protected it well and I
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  think he put some yards in yeah he ran out of it he lost cause he ran that he ran the channels
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  he don't know the hard the hard yards that are forward and a long forward is supposed to do
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  I thought cana juice be always very good with the ball he knocked it round really well
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  I felt for Dwight McNeil because when that mistakes made I just feel for the player of his quality
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  he just you're going through a kind of a box and you you probably feel like I don't I don't
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  not feeling this is playing well as well oh no yeah maybe it shook him for a bit I thought
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  he came out and played well in the second half I really did I think the disappointing thing
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  second half wise for us was the fact that uh once once the goalkeeper got injured in the in the goal
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  that we didn't really trouble him woodman and you know we we had a couple of shots from
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  we had one effort on the angle from iliman and jay that you'd probably expect the goalkeeper
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  to make a save but other than that it was we had to couple of shots from distance that were over
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  the bar we had tirotonic George came on on the left on side we never really got anything from him
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  iliman moved over to the right we never really built up any momentum after that to be able to
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  actually trouble the goalkeeper and why was that though was that the substitutions was that
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  mentality the players what from your perspective what you think a little bit of everything
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  TNO Barry didn't quite manage to get the same performance that's sort of troubled this center
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  half the way better was doing in terms of just from players aren't they just put it into an area
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  he was probably below par I think if we're being honest uh in in in what
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  he managed to give us when he came on as I said I thought the substitutions didn't quite
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  help us I thought by tirot George going over on this side moving iliman over to that side when he
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  him and juice behold in that area in particular it had quite a bit of joy I thought that maybe
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  didn't help I understand because he'd come on last week George and actually was was was I know
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  to use all that I mean I've seen my magnificence from tirotonic George so I thought it's a tough one
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  I always think it's hard to place coming into a game especially at the temple that's played that
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  it's hard to you know find your way and then and maybe to create some or be the difference because
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  that's what you're bringing players on for going there letting be the difference and that's very
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  hard to do with the quality that they have and they have quality all over the park I mean I don't
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  even know where that service line was playing the heart of back he just he just kept heading up
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  everywhere and he just he's such a good footballer you can't knock it you know what I mean then
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  when you got the likes of Mo Salah and people going on he's not on for it he just finds a way
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  money scores goals okay is you know he just he just finds a way and things just for them I mean
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  you couldn't write it that mama that's really came off I'd never let that keep it in my life
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  not cartoons he's under 21's dad and I was like it's nice 29 I think is he 23 easy plays for
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  he's yeah but that's what you do now don't he just didn't his dad got promoted the same day
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  of the day before managing probably something like that is we didn't even test them knowing
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  all honestly did we know that that was the issue that's the disappointing thing but we just it's
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  just set other other shot from outside the box and you try it together dude you were trying but
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  nothing was falling and I just feel against I feel for a forward it's so hard up against you
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  before would yourself yeah well you'll sell me like you're a younger Bob Latchford yeah I wish
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  a fuck Bob Latchford I love you know Bob Oskins more like I just think it's so hard against two
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  big colossus fellas like that yeah to get to get to get anything like I said that's why
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  battle does so I don't know he's there but I don't care what anyone says he has such a good time
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  again to mandate and I think it's because he doesn't stand off him he's not in all of him he gets
• 18:26
  stuck into him and he cheats him like he does any other sense yeah I think in terms of that
• 18:31
  talking about center halves before center halves these days are used to playing two center halves
• 18:37
  against one striker as well and and generally one of them can get really physical with you
• 18:42
  in the other one drops away battle kind of one of his positives is that he can actually occupy
• 18:47
  yeah physically two center halves at the same time he can run you you can hold the ball up so yeah
• 18:52
  I don't think they enjoy that but and he did get on the score she probably had a couple of good
• 18:57
  chances yeah he did a big chances and when you look at the difference between between the teams
• 19:01
  and yet you look at most sellers ruthless and I chance ruthless call we had a good few chances
• 19:07
  and we did we may score them we may not score them I think that's the next level we need to get to
• 19:13
  being being ruthless in the big games having a big more big game knowledge that they've got about
• 19:17
  how to manage certain moments within the game they look calm they're going into the end of the
• 19:22
  game didn't they yeah because as well the other hurdle we've got is is actually mentally winning
• 19:29
  these games before we actually physically go out and out win them and they've gotten
• 19:33
  assurance like they would have took a draw and yet 11 minutes went up and you suddenly felt them
• 19:37
  think we can actually win this game that we'd we'd love to have took a draw and we can win this
• 19:42
  from here and then they managed to go on and do it we we probably needed to be maybe in the same
• 19:48
  way Arsenal go about trying to win the title in the sense of you I felt that they needed
• 19:52
  needed a three one score line going into the later stages to enjoy it and get over the line
• 19:57
  Arsenal needed a nine point sort of lead in fact they've even let that slip here it seems maybe at
• 20:02
  the moment going into injury time level I was just felt that at that point we weren't the team
• 20:08
  that were going like I didn't feel lost stadium I didn't feel lost stadium but seriously went 11
• 20:13
  minutes added up and maybe it was because the stuff I got knocked out of is with bram for the way
• 20:16
  to injury and the other stoppages but we didn't go whoa get in 11 minutes go on we've got them
• 20:23
  like it would up the stadiums we sort of it yeah great 11 minutes yeah it's a bit much and and
• 20:30
  that is a sign it's just a it's a kind of a mindset that we've because it keeps on up into it
• 20:37
  that is the sixth 90th plus winning goal against us by them in the Premier League the most
• 20:43
  by any team across the competition so because that keeps happening we get to that moment and
• 20:48
  instead of cheering and get excited we go oh no I've read this I've read this before
• 20:55
  and we need we need to change it I've witnessed a lot of them I played a few of them
• 21:02
  when you have you have a chance to look back at the the goal of undikes scored was any in maybe
• 21:06
  wrong with the with the marker now or was it just a great goal so why people marked these days
• 21:11
  they get so many people tight and physical and rely on sort of getting their arms around you
• 21:18
  and you're pushing you in certain ways but when you coming up against a van die or that's the way
• 21:21
  better should be dealing with things if you can just hold someone in place or give them a nudge
• 21:27
  at the wrong moment don't need to do much other than let the ball hit you on the head it was a great
• 21:31
  delivery brilliant little space he created for himself you can always try and do more you can always
• 21:37
  say you you would do more maybe Jared was still on the pitch it could be different with probably
• 21:42
  marking him not to be against the keynote in that sense but maybe something that had been different
• 21:47
  maybe battle because he was really getting all the balls out to start with every ball corner
• 21:51
  seems to hit frustrate me to hit his head but yeah you can defend them different but don't get
• 21:57
  the corner away let's begin there let's be up the other end the hardest part for me is he's the only
• 22:03
  thrift from set pieces can I say doesn't want to know he looks like he's talking every time he jumps
• 22:08
  up he goes on ahead of all in but Van Dyke big he's brave he's strong and he wants to go meet it he wants
• 22:15
  to score and I have to feel like he's the only threat once and if you look at it and he is the
• 22:22
  biggest threat why haven't we just put two men on him I'm sick I was trying to wake up who's
• 22:26
  man was who yeah Tarky and can I say was in front of him so I was a shoe and that's a doing zone
• 22:32
  a lot of them a lot of them do that now that's what I asked him he's all no doubt I asked I asked the
• 22:36
  question now a number of years ago not when the gaffer have come all before it and I asked the
• 22:41
  lads and I just said why don't you just go man for man and be responsible and then it took
• 22:47
  what I think it was it might be in keynote or Tarky who said to me Tom they just kept
• 22:53
  blocked off if we go man for man someone's got a blocker he said it just it just can't wake so
• 22:58
  I kind of understood a bit more than like I said before I don't I know as much of a
• 23:03
  football as he's glad you know what I mean but when he said that to me I got it a lot more so now
• 23:08
  when I see the monster pieces and I see because like I said I've just said there why am I just
• 23:12
  put two men on Van Dyke but you're just going to go blockers and there's literally it's
• 23:18
  10 in the blue the NFL we have to it's just talking after talking yeah there's got to be a hybrid
• 23:23
  of it coming up and referees definitely going to be stopping this kind of holding that's going
• 23:29
  on moving forward it's someone's going to make an example there's got to be a stop to just give
• 23:32
  a panel yeah it's going to happen but well they'll have to start next thing they're going to cut it
• 23:36
  out I think a lot more than they do and that'll give you a chance to go back to old-school defender
• 23:41
  where everyone you know gets in position you see the ball coming up you go and run and try and
• 23:46
  head it but football is constantly evolving every single week it's evolving every single day
• 23:52
  it's evolving somebody trying to find a new way and it's always the cost of everything there's always
• 23:59
  a way just take ten points of heaven you know what I mean it's whatever makes it just take ten more
• 24:04
  points whatever I'm going to do to the bounce back against Westand this upcoming weekend
• 24:10
  just don't do anything different really really I'd say the performances that we'll we've
• 24:16
  done all season away from home in particular really I've been I've been outstanding with what
• 24:20
  top or the second best team away from home in the Premier League this season so I need to change
• 24:26
  and I think it was a blow it was a knock certainly not criticizing we've been we've done it to
• 24:31
  the few teams this season I'm not gonna criticize in the team after this after this Darby I mean
• 24:37
  it was it was a great 28 minute it felt really good to be going into the game feeling like this
• 24:43
  it was a knock on the on the chin until half time yet we still came out I really enjoyed that
• 24:49
  really enjoyed support as I thought we were just a little bit if you find margins away maybe a
• 24:54
  little bit of belief in crucial moments away from from being able to step up but what a team who's
• 25:00
  developed a hell of a lot this year we've got five games left and we could potentially finish
• 25:05
  your opinion football if that goes the other way on Sunday ever and around 50 points from
• 25:12
  the overtake Chelsea that's champions of the kind of material that you're in them places you know
• 25:18
  you're in the fight now we go to Westham and if we beat Westham on the road which were more than
• 25:25
  capable of doing you're just like you're like you're in the fight again so I just feel it's out
• 25:32
  debounce back and rebound now but I think the gaffer will just be there at this again I think
• 25:37
  you'll go for them we I just I can't see us not getting nothing at Westham I know they're fighting
• 25:44
  for the lives and they're playing really well at the minute but it's just we are so suited to
• 25:49
  being away from home we really are funnier look at the away games we've got Westham away it's
• 25:54
  bears away yeah both of them scrapping for survival yeah so both of them are games that
• 26:00
  huge there aren't gimmies we've got to go there and and try and be ourselves but I'll tell you
• 26:04
  they're looking at us and thinking oh don't need that we've got everything coming oh that's
• 26:09
  the last thing but they just look at you in a way from and I said if we are the second biggest
• 26:12
  most wins in the Premier League for the away team he's just like oh they're not going to look
• 26:16
  forward to that especially he spares me I mean we all spares I'm not going to lie I'm going
• 26:21
  I'm 10 now because I'm expecting to run right then because I'm still annoyed at that
• 26:26
  other end now if I see him anytime soon he's getting told he's getting a piece of my mind then
• 26:30
  you just come to our place in man right and yeah I genuinely feel like we all more so you know
• 26:36
  imagine if we sent them down that's what I don't want to do I don't want to do that you don't
• 26:42
  why what you going I know but I don't want I don't want to spend should not be in the championship
• 26:47
  I'm sorry the two big club that's it's it's a crime if that stadium's in the championship
• 26:52
  it's a crime but that same time me look what I said last week I was just stupid but yeah
• 26:57
  I think we need to write in a lead to the fit lead to the first to say that before leads you
• 27:05
  know went on and won two games I said it before then smacked out I'm going to put the
• 27:13
  lot of numbers on them whatever whatever the opposite side of them Leon put it on and you'll win
• 27:18
  if there's 60 lots of e numbers if you could pick 52 with them for me now I'll win with them the right
• 27:25
  pick me 52 numbers it's not going to be all of this going to be what we're in a good position
• 27:29
  anyway no doubt about that there were again moving in the right direction I love our core I really do
• 27:36
  Garner and Jews be hauling particularly little I've enjoyed watching play lately I'd love
• 27:42
  together he would cost way too much Alex scoffer Bournemouth see an employee go play
• 27:49
  central midfield that reminds me of Gazza in really yeah in the sense that he gets about a
• 27:55
  pitch he goes a bit of box to but he can play me in a midfield too right and he and he dribbles it
• 28:01
  like Gazza he doesn't drive forward in the sense that we can't like the way Roy Keane would drive
• 28:06
  forward he's going on with the ball James Garner will drive forward he can move well with it
• 28:11
  he's running with it Alex got the dribbler he's stepping on he's 22 he's been in England under 21
• 28:17
  Scott that won the competition last year I'll tell you while he's going to go for a few cut then
• 28:21
  because Bournemouth don't sell to you yeah he'll be a hundred million pound playable he's an
• 28:25
  impressive prospect in but obviously we need a striker we need fullback yeah I think we're
• 28:31
  strong in that area of the field and I think we've got people I mean I think Jimmy Garner I think
• 28:37
  in my personal opinion he's been the best player this season oh yes in my mind I skipped a beat
• 28:42
  there because it was a dresser's not gonna last forever is he 30 38 and he's a fine wine to be
• 28:49
  fair to him but every dog has a today and in that position and that part of the field it's
• 28:55
  where legs are needed massively and they can just go out on the margin as you all know better
• 29:00
  they can just go overnight your legs
• 29:05
  is that right yeah can you name it? I thought you knew the date and everything then
• 29:11
  I'm just saying he's the perfect athlete and he lives such a clean life and you know
• 29:18
  I'd get it with you but at some point that's got to slow down it hasn't looked like this season
• 29:24
  so he's been brilliant one of us and one he was so you've seen how much you're a massive miss
• 29:30
  if this was when the African combination is on him and he huge losses in the side
• 29:36
  but the other last coming in them I've got it can't knock them Dwight McNeil had some good games
• 29:40
  it I thought had his arms don't came in done a really good job you know he's shown he's improved
• 29:45
  because we've got good standing that in person in positions we just need a few more squad wise
• 29:49
  I don't I don't think we need if we were to qualify for Europe I don't think we need an awful lot
• 29:54
  of regards to numbers especially a just like ball stand and you're suddenly looking at
• 29:58
  the amount of bodies that you've forgotten what you've got yeah he's a good athlete he's
• 30:03
  shown flashes of what you can do I think I think there are a few things he needs to learn I think
• 30:08
  that must be why he's not getting as many minutes but to be ready the player's ahead of him
• 30:12
  of them top players leads as well to be there which obviously makes a difference but yeah I think we're
• 30:18
  probably not got many years left of a dresser in the team despite him being outstanding you are
• 30:25
  outstanding the PSG are coming in and taking your away from us but yeah but we probably have to look
• 30:31
  at who slots in there alongside the other two and hope that the other two are with us for the next
• 30:37
  eight nine years well they've signed new consulate you may go on a sand and you can't check
• 30:41
  you know you used be all leave we've had them now what's the second year we've had them
• 30:45
  So on the ball today, aren't you?
• 30:49
  So I thought you'd been punched in the other, wasn't you?
• 30:52
  I thought it was a second. Yeah, I thought we had a last season.
• 30:54
  Well, that's how well he's done. It feels like he's been in it.
• 30:57
  Can you juice be old, wasn't it, with those last season?
• 30:59
  No. No. Chelsea.
• 31:02
  Was not long. Why am I be seeing him playing last year?
• 31:06
  I don't know, he won the World Club Cup with Chelsea in this one.
• 31:10
  I don't believe him.
• 31:11
  I never really believed that punched in the other thing until just that one.
• 31:14
  There you go, because I could swear that I was watching him last season as well.
• 31:17
  Well, you know, it's changed things out.
• 31:19
  Yeah, he's that good.
• 31:20
  I can't, not today.
• 31:22
  He's that good. He is that good.
• 31:24
  Well, what are you injured about that?
• 31:25
  At a fill in today.
• 31:26
  I'll get it, get it.
• 31:27
  Well, yeah, that's all.
• 31:28
  Out of fill in.
• 31:29
  Tentious, stentious, strenious.
• 31:31
  I'll punch me on that side of the head, yeah.
• 31:32
  I'm talking about fill in.
• 31:33
  I'm walking in that big party meeting.
• 31:35
  It's not for a lot of this kind of stuff.
• 31:37
  I don't want to feel it that way.
• 31:38
  Have you ever had a fill in?
• 31:40
  I've only ever had one in my life.
• 31:42
  Don't well, there may be.
• 31:43
  There's major clean your teeth probably, did they?
• 31:45
  Yeah.
• 31:46
  Or a day just not your teeth, anyone?
• 31:48
  These are all my teeth, Leon.
• 31:50
  From Turkey.
• 31:51
  Yeah.
• 31:53
  No, I'm the only person who hasn't had the techy passion yet.
• 31:56
  No, so I've done something called in business line.
• 32:00
  And that's what sort of mean.
• 32:01
  Yeah, she's also.
• 32:02
  But I had a fill in today, right?
• 32:04
  I've had a few fillings, because I love me suits and me.
• 32:07
  Something.
• 32:08
  Sideers.
• 32:10
  Yeah, so I had this injection today.
• 32:14
  Usually you're, you're.
• 32:15
  Sideers goes numb and then you can't.
• 32:17
  Me, I went numb.
• 32:18
  You're what?
• 32:19
  Me, I, me, I lived.
• 32:20
  I couldn't blink for three hours.
• 32:22
  Three hours, I couldn't be.
• 32:23
  I think he did, but you just did.
• 32:25
  Four, three men down be faced.
• 32:27
  I don't know if that was a remnant after the derby, like, but I'd watered
• 32:30
  just three men down be faced.
• 32:32
  Because I don't know if it's because this is the I lived.
• 32:34
  I lost.
• 32:34
  Good night when I had to get this I lived.
• 32:36
  Oh, that was an injury, wasn't it?
• 32:38
  Yeah, it's a tackle.
• 32:40
  Got a tiny coat on sideways.
• 32:42
  Don't make socks like that in pictures, aren't it?
• 32:44
  I'm a weird leading picture of the nine stitches in me, I lived.
• 32:48
  So it's Wednesday.
• 32:49
  But this thing, because I had to leave the fellow rats, I cut it out.
• 32:51
  Yeah.
• 32:52
  Yeah, I lived, so it's only got half an hour to do one close.
• 32:55
  And literally it's only just started to.
• 32:57
  Don't want to forget about that.
• 32:59
  What game was that in?
• 33:00
  Arsenal.
• 33:01
  I started really well, you know.
• 33:03
  I was at the game, I'm just trying.
• 33:05
  I was capped in, I started really well.
• 33:07
  I hit the bar and then got stretched off after seven minutes.
• 33:12
  I had a really good game.
• 33:13
  It was only seven minutes of the game, but it was going to be better.
• 33:16
  It was going to be better, seven minutes, six minutes.
• 33:18
  Can you remember who caught you?
• 33:19
  It wasn't anyone catch you.
• 33:20
  I caught the back, back every second, yeah?
• 33:23
  Yeah.
• 33:24
  So I was trying to make, you know, make an impression.
• 33:26
  The corner came onto the edge of the box.
• 33:28
  I tried to go right through him.
• 33:30
  And as I've caught him with a slide tackle, he just landed on me,
• 33:33
  on me head with his backside.
• 33:34
  And I've scraped me head along the floor.
• 33:38
  And then it was one of the ways.
• 33:40
  And I felt me sort of skin ripping open up.
• 33:43
  And then as I've come away, I couldn't see out me.
• 33:45
  I and I started patting.
• 33:47
  I started patting the floor because I thought it was going to be alive.
• 33:49
  Yeah, I just fell off.
• 33:51
  I literally thought that was going to be alive.
• 33:52
  I was patting the floor, trying to find it really hard.
• 33:55
  I was so scared to go.
• 33:56
  I just thought it was going to be alive.
• 33:57
  Patting me, patting round, like you're going to pat me.
• 33:59
  I was thinking, I was on the floor.
• 34:01
  I was thinking, I don't want to be that fellow.
• 34:03
  They've got a video with Zai ball on the floor.
• 34:06
  So I'm picking up the floor behind me for it.
• 34:07
  So I was going to pick up for it back in.
• 34:09
  The bridge he came on the pitch and I was going,
• 34:11
  Oh, you're all right.
• 34:12
  I said, it was me, how are you?
• 34:13
  He went, yeah, it is.
• 34:14
  You're soft.
• 34:16
  Went up, me and gave me a bit, yeah.
• 34:18
  Oh, pause.
• 34:19
  I got to the side of the pitch and my legs went.
• 34:21
  I actually fell down the steps.
• 34:22
  Down the position, yeah.
• 34:24
  Well, we touched on spares before.
• 34:25
  They had a last minute goal going against them.
• 34:29
  Did you celebrate it?
• 34:30
  I know you.
• 34:31
  You probably celebrate it.
• 34:32
  How'd you want them to go down, Lee?
• 34:33
  Yeah, do, yeah.
• 34:35
  Oh, me.
• 34:36
  Why?
• 34:36
  I don't know.
• 34:38
  Partly because we can be there on the last day of the season.
• 34:40
  My late's want them just like that.
• 34:41
  Yeah, it's just like monumental, isn't it?
• 34:42
  That like someone like that would have done.
• 34:44
  That mate's back.
• 34:44
  But also it's easier for us to get up there.
• 34:47
  Is it not?
• 34:48
  No, mate.
• 34:49
  I don't want to see them go down.
• 34:50
  I don't want to see spares go down.
• 34:53
  It's sad.
• 34:54
  It's so sad.
• 34:55
  I mean, I've got a couple of spares, mates as well.
• 34:56
  It's sad to watch them fans or not to come fans as well,
• 34:58
  though, isn't it?
• 34:59
  That on Flores, Scott Hammett and Good Spares
• 35:03
  made that feel really, like they went down.
• 35:05
  I understand.
• 35:06
  I've just said this before.
• 35:08
  We're probably the only club that really appreciates
• 35:11
  how they feel in the scene.
• 35:12
  Talking to that judge.
• 35:13
  We get it and understand.
• 35:14
  Relocation battles for years and years.
• 35:16
  We know how they feel and everyone's saying,
• 35:18
  you're too good to go down.
• 35:19
  You're too big to go down.
• 35:20
  I couldn't imagine spares wanted us to go down.
• 35:23
  So I'm not saying I want them to go down.
• 35:26
  And I've got a few spares, friends,
• 35:28
  but I would hate to see them being so upset.
• 35:31
  But it will be funny though.
• 35:32
  It will be funny.
• 35:33
  It will be funny.
• 35:34
  I made talk like this.
• 35:36
  Walk it.
• 35:37
  I mean, I don't want them to go down.
• 35:38
  And I want it now.
• 35:39
  It'll be funny.
• 35:40
  It's not funny.
• 35:41
  It's not.
• 35:41
  It's heartbreaking.
• 35:43
  Made to imagine them sobbing and crying in that state.
• 35:45
  I mean, I watched them all sobbing and crying
• 35:47
  when they won that European trophy.
• 35:48
  Never mind going down.
• 35:50
  Yeah.
• 35:50
  I like to go there to watch the NFL as well.
• 35:52
  Not the only Mike, the only judge I get next year.
• 35:54
  It's a beautiful stadium.
• 35:55
  I actually, and I'm not just saying this.
• 35:58
  I think it's the best stadium as an actual stadium in the country.
• 36:02
  But it's not a patch on us for the football stadium.
• 36:05
  ours is the best football stadium in the country now.
• 36:08
  Without a shadow, without.
• 36:10
  But there's is the best.
• 36:12
  For an event stadium.
• 36:14
  But when I've been in and worked the boxing and things like that,
• 36:17
  it's an unbelievable stadium.
• 36:19
  But I just feel it's not.
• 36:21
  Do you know what though?
• 36:22
  I'm going to trip myself a bit.
• 36:23
  I haven't been in there.
• 36:24
  I'm a match there here.
• 36:25
  All right.
• 36:26
  But I don't care.
• 36:27
  It's nothing to patch on our place.
• 36:29
  The noise our place generates.
• 36:32
  When that goal went in and Jack,
• 36:33
  Jack, Jack, do the score that last minute winner this season.
• 36:35
  Yeah.
• 36:36
  I have never felt anything like that.
• 36:38
  And any football stadium and football
• 36:39
  was going on in my life.
• 36:40
  That, that stadium, he blew up that day.
• 36:43
  I don't know if it was against kicked the ball.
• 36:45
  The bounce off his knee.
• 36:46
  When in the goals?
• 36:46
  Was it a police?
• 36:48
  That's me.
• 36:49
  At our place, yeah.
• 36:49
  Um.
• 36:50
  Hello?
• 36:51
  I think it was.
• 36:52
  At least quite a bit about us.
• 36:54
  Just thinking about our stadium for the most part.
• 36:57
  It's not been perfect going there.
• 36:59
  But it's, it's not harminers.
• 37:02
  Their stadium seems to be harmining them at the minute.
• 37:05
  It's either too much to play in the two hostile against them.
• 37:11
  The noise is overbearing for them.
• 37:13
  I don't know what it is.
• 37:14
  But it's not helping them.
• 37:16
  And that's something that you've always got to be kind of aware of.
• 37:19
  West Ham fans, we're playing this weekend
• 37:20
  have gone through moments where they hate the stadium.
• 37:23
  But you've still got to make sure you're there to help the team.
• 37:28
  You've got to be there to be a positive sort of influence on.
• 37:32
  I'm trying to contribute to the to the result.
• 37:34
  There's no doubt that fans in the stadium help you one way or the other.
• 37:37
  Because they're saying, they're saying now,
• 37:40
  it's a straight shootout with West Ham on spares.
• 37:44
  They're taking forest and leads and now safe.
• 37:46
  I don't think forest might have another,
• 37:48
  I think they've got to have another win for us.
• 37:51
  How many points do you do?
• 37:53
  I mean, I know spares are banging it and West Ham.
• 37:56
  But how many, I think the five points clear now, Leeds, are they?
• 38:00
  Leeds are on Thursday.
• 38:01
  It's in nine.
• 38:03
  Oh, thirty-nine.
• 38:04
  Forest.
• 38:04
  Nothing got to go to win on the weekend.
• 38:06
  Oh, one wasn't it?
• 38:07
  Well, we'll be right back team.
• 38:09
  He's a player.
• 38:10
  Wendy went behind, I thought, oh no.
• 38:12
  It'd be the first time I've seen a club go down.
• 38:15
  Whoever goes down, if it's West Ham on spares
• 38:17
  and I go, oh, I really like a few of them plays.
• 38:21
  You can make it.
• 38:22
  It's Shadow Bones going for big money.
• 38:24
  So you and Leeds.
• 38:25
  So you draw the West down, went down, because we can get some of their players
• 38:28
  who don't know, no, no, no, no.
• 38:30
  What do you want me to say?
• 38:31
  Anyway, the best clubs in the league
• 38:35
  would take some of the players.
• 38:37
  Never mind those.
• 38:38
  That's the thing about Shadow Bones walking in most sites.
• 38:41
  He's getting into most teams.
• 38:42
  I think West Ham's team largely stay together.
• 38:44
  I think Spares team gets ripped off.
• 38:46
  Now van de Ven, I'm telling you now.
• 38:49
  That van de Ven makes it, it will not be at Spares next season.
• 38:53
  Regardless of what happens here.
• 38:54
  I think he is.
• 38:56
  I think he is.
• 39:01
  If they get beat by Wolves this weekend, they don't.
• 39:05
  Yeah, yeah, if Wolves do, I'll have to, I'll have to just say,
• 39:10
  I'm sorry, sorry.
• 39:11
  They've got to get three points there.
• 39:13
  I don't have to do.
• 39:15
  It's hard, you know, it's hard, because when there's no pressure on Wolves and Wolves,
• 39:18
  they've just gone, you know, you just like, they're just playing with such a freedom.
• 39:23
  Them players have got nothing to lose.
• 39:26
  And I just think that it's getting to Spares now and then players.
• 39:29
  It's how the day can see that last minute one.
• 39:31
  That's two, they're two emotional.
• 39:33
  You can see them cry at the end of the game.
• 39:35
  It seems, it seems strange to say because you want to play with the motion.
• 39:38
  It's got to be the right can when we stayed up against Bournemouth
• 39:42
  and Crystal Palace.
• 39:44
  And these big games, there was a hell of a lot of motion, certainly from the crowd,
• 39:49
  but I felt that the players kept their emotions in check.
• 39:52
  They were, they were getting the results.
• 39:53
  They were running around.
• 39:54
  Spares, it's a, it's a petulence emotion.
• 39:56
  Yeah, there's arms going in the air.
• 39:58
  There's sulking going on.
• 40:00
  Trying to think of relegation fights, you know.
• 40:04
  Now, did you, did you, did you ever, how many was your name?
• 40:06
  Do you think I was in a relegation fight?
• 40:08
  I was in one relegation fight for, no.
• 40:12
  No, I was in two when I went alone at Diabie and when I went alone at Carlisle.
• 40:15
  She's never done one in our place.
• 40:17
  No, you're not in the team when we came 17.
• 40:20
  I got the last three games of the season.
• 40:22
  So we do it and we do it.
• 40:23
  We were already up by that point.
• 40:25
  Does that feel, does that feel and resonate with, can you feel what the fans are like?
• 40:32
  Yeah, it's a different kind of anxiety.
• 40:34
  It's a, it's a, it's a different kind of nervousness.
• 40:36
  It's, it's a lot more an anxiety and anxiousness.
• 40:40
  You sort of expect that they were expecting that the worst before the game would even start it.
• 40:45
  And then when things go against you, then you'd like say it's, it's, it's typical.
• 40:51
  You're, it's harder on the pitch than to go and actually make things positive.
• 40:56
  Thankfully at Diabie and Carlisle, we managed to stay open to them as well.
• 41:00
  So you do feel it has applied the, the tension.
• 41:04
  Yeah, especially in sort of smaller or some more atmospheric stage.
• 41:10
  I'm talking about spare stadium there in terms of the noise that it can generate.
• 41:14
  It's been built in a similar manner to us.
• 41:17
  And if there's a lot more anxiousness coming from the fans, the, the spare's player will,
• 41:22
  players will feel it.
• 41:23
  You think about Gooders and Park when we were playing against the top teams and the fans are so
• 41:29
  sort of in the game with us that, that even the best players felt that they had no time on the
• 41:34
  pitch, Gooders and because our fans are screaming at them.
• 41:38
  But then when we were playing in games where we were expected to win and say we were,
• 41:42
  you know, one nil down after 25 minutes, that makes the fans get edgy.
• 41:47
  And then that put raise to us.
• 41:49
  We start to feel like there's less time and they start to feel like there's more time on the
• 41:53
  pitch. And that is, that's kind of what happens and at the moment spares of that anxious and
• 41:58
  that that into the game and that that petrified that they're making their own players really,
• 42:03
  really nervous.
• 42:04
  They're making the pitch seem half the size that it is, they're getting caught in the ball,
• 42:07
  they're getting rushed.
• 42:08
  The Russian passes out the pitch and not doing it quite right with the opposition.
• 42:11
  Players are bright and are going there and thinking this is great.
• 42:13
  They're crowds helping us here.
• 42:16
  That's a difference.
• 42:17
  That's the ZB.
• 42:18
  He's got a job on his hands, isn't he?
• 42:19
  Yeah, he really has.
• 42:20
  I think he's a very good manager.
• 42:22
  He's hugely because he's got to keep them up in these five games.
• 42:25
  Just said he's going to have his team ripped from him.
• 42:28
  And he's controversial.
• 42:29
  I think he's not, he's not shy.
• 42:31
  He's controversial.
• 42:34
  He's saying stuff that's like,
• 42:36
  well, that's going to get a couple of players backs up with some of the things he says.
• 42:40
  So it's that the right approach.
• 42:42
  You know, it's going to towel to help them.
• 42:44
  They needed to change.
• 42:45
  I mean, I think I've did a kept track.
• 42:47
  They'd have been fine.
• 42:48
  Yeah, I don't think they even thought they'd be in a relegation fight.
• 42:51
  I mean, I think they were already planning for the future.
• 42:53
  Why do you think they sacked him?
• 42:54
  Is it a knee-jerk reaction?
• 42:56
  I mean, because their ownership was never like that in the past.
• 42:59
  Daniel Levy would never have made a knee-jerk reaction like that.
• 43:02
  I don't think.
• 43:03
  Still in Europe at the time, as well.
• 43:04
  It's just unbelievable.
• 43:06
  Different now, then, isn't it?
• 43:07
  And I just think that underperforming, I think across the world
• 43:13
  in every kind of sport now, no more so than the Premier League.
• 43:16
  But well, because of its time spent in the media,
• 43:21
  there's a lot of outside influence.
• 43:22
  There's a lot of sort of people posting on Instagram and Twitter
• 43:27
  and all of their social media and the club hierarchy
• 43:30
  can feel the outside noise more than anything.
• 43:33
  The outside noise is constantly getting in,
• 43:35
  which it never used to.
• 43:37
  A manager used to have hierarchy spills a distance themselves from anywhere.
• 43:41
  There's no hiding from the influences
• 43:43
  and the thought process of Spares fans.
• 43:45
  We're just talking Spares fans at the moment.
• 43:47
  We've been through it ourselves with everything.
• 43:49
  But that Thomas Frank's not doing as well as he should.
• 43:52
  Well, he should get sacked.
• 43:53
  And once that carries on carries on, there's no sort of recovering.
• 43:56
  And then you all know that Thomas Frank was never going to get your relegator.
• 44:00
  But you were definitely going to have a below-pass season with him.
• 44:02
  And you already think that the grass is constantly always greener.
• 44:05
  Everybody thinks that the grass is greener.
• 44:07
  It's wrong because John from Chester said he could go.
• 44:11
  Yeah, well, it's wrong now because you've employed the man to do a job.
• 44:16
  Give him a fair shake and give him a fair shake and do a job of course.
• 44:19
  Listen to the radio this morning.
• 44:22
  And pulling it in about Eddie House.
• 44:23
  And to be fair, the caller, the caller,
• 44:25
  the caller that I listen to, where it be,
• 44:27
  and he's low-best, you've got to get him out.
• 44:28
  It was more along the lines.
• 44:29
  I hear the little bit of that.
• 44:30
  It's more along the lines of,
• 44:32
  well, he's just, I don't think he's going to get any better from us.
• 44:34
  He looks like this is the end of the road.
• 44:36
  And it felt like a natural sort of finish to it.
• 44:38
  And I was just thinking, I understand the thought process.
• 44:41
  I understand the need that we're not constantly improving.
• 44:44
  Everyone thinks it's constantly improving.
• 44:45
  You can't constantly improve.
• 44:47
  There's always going to be a back step if somewhere.
• 44:49
  Then you start improving again,
• 44:50
  but just remind me of my time with David Moise in terms of
• 44:54
  he came in in his first season.
• 44:56
  And then he got the team safe quite quickly.
• 44:58
  The next season have it finished seventh.
• 45:01
  The next season have it finished 17th,
• 45:02
  which is when I got in the team at the end.
• 45:04
  Now, naturally, that would have been easy a second.
• 45:07
  These 10s.
• 45:08
  The next season we finished fourth.
• 45:10
  The next season we finished fifth and sixth.
• 45:13
  And then we had a season where we finished 10th.
• 45:16
  So should he have got the sack then?
• 45:18
  No, then we went fifth and sixth again.
• 45:20
  The next season there might always be a dip.
• 45:23
  That's just how football management management went.
• 45:26
  That's seasons where teams aren't constantly in the very same position
• 45:31
  or improving all the time.
• 45:32
  It's impossible.
• 45:33
  You don't get enough players.
• 45:34
  It's keeping us in a good place.
• 45:36
  So we have a good time.
• 45:37
  Are we constantly on the right track?
• 45:40
  New cast of fans seem to be at the end of the road.
• 45:43
  A listen to them.
• 45:45
  I'll listen to them.
• 45:46
  A couple of them fans because they were on the top of all times.
• 45:48
  And he got, I had to say.
• 45:49
  Yes, he's the right son.
• 45:50
  If he's 75 million taken, well, you know, those fans call him.
• 45:53
  I'll drive him there myself and stuff like that,
• 45:55
  like those thoughts.
• 45:56
  You're so fickle because when he first went there, he was flying.
• 46:00
  And bad patches and droughts come to every single play.
• 46:04
  No matter how good you are, no matter how great you are,
• 46:08
  Lionel Messi's had them, Cristiano Ronaldo's had them.
• 46:10
  They all have good patches and bad patches.
• 46:16
  Well, you just said that when you've just been talking about the finishes,
• 46:19
  we've had Evertonians forget that.
• 46:21
  Under David Moise, I'll grade that was because you'd hear them talking
• 46:24
  and if like, you know, we were fighting Melligation.
• 46:27
  Then finishes there.
• 46:28
  We have been fighting Melligation for the last five years,
• 46:31
  six years even.
• 46:32
  And it's been horrific, it really has.
• 46:34
  You know, going into the last day,
• 46:36
  when Duke scored that goal against Bournemouth, wasn't it?
• 46:39
  And he does that.
• 46:40
  And you just like, was safe.
• 46:41
  We've done it.
• 46:44
  It now puts it into perspective.
• 46:46
  It puts it into perspective.
• 46:48
  The palace game.
• 46:49
  I mean, bad bands.
• 46:50
  Maybe it was sobbing and halftime.
• 46:52
  And he says, mate, I don't know if they're going to cry
• 46:54
  on each other's hand or halftime.
• 46:56
  And you just think, that's how brilliant it was with these
• 46:59
  and under them and we were spotted.
• 47:01
  I don't want to say, we were spoiled.
• 47:03
  We were going to your, we were on trips away.
• 47:05
  It was fantastic.
• 47:07
  But, you know, because we'd ever got,
• 47:09
  we actually got over the line, which of course,
• 47:11
  that's so fun.
• 47:13
  Now what I want to do more now, but going back
• 47:17
  and you're not me good and you say, you have a down season.
• 47:19
  Yes, of course you do, but you can't have that big a down season
• 47:23
  if someone wants to buy you for 70,
• 47:24
  you know, there's, if someone wants to, if a buy a Munich
• 47:26
  wants to come in and buy you.
• 47:27
  It's also goals of season, but they want to pay 50 million for you.
• 47:31
  He's a top player still.
• 47:33
  He's a top, Anthony Gordon is a top player.
• 47:36
  He'll be in Mannington's squad.
• 47:38
  I think he'll be in there there and about.
• 47:40
  He's got, he has so many attributes.
• 47:42
  He's a constant threat.
• 47:43
  He's got top top player possibly.
• 47:45
  Yeah, listen, you see players who perform better
• 47:49
  for England at times.
• 47:51
  Do you really do it?
• 47:51
  Well, I'm supposed better players, better team.
• 47:53
  But it plays better in Europe.
• 47:56
  Most of his best numbers for new castelists is more in Europe.
• 47:59
  I know you think if Vincent Company thinks I'll bring him
• 48:03
  to buy a Munich to play alongside Harry Kane.
• 48:06
  I see that work.
• 48:06
  I don't know if place he takes that early.
• 48:09
  He's fantastic.
• 48:10
  He's not gone on that side.
• 48:11
  And then he's going to now bring on the other side.
• 48:13
  There was the other side.
• 48:14
  There was the other side.
• 48:15
  And he's been on fire, hasn't he?
• 48:17
  I mean, they look like probably I'm not going to lie.
• 48:20
  Them PSG are the strongest outfits in your decision.
• 48:23
  I do not see Arsenal getting passed either.
• 48:25
  Then I don't care how well they defend.
• 48:28
  I just don't see a way to buy in a PSG.
• 48:31
  It's going to be okay.
• 48:32
  It's fantastic.
• 48:34
  Buying for me.
• 48:34
  I think it's...
• 48:37
  Well, I can't look past PSG.
• 48:39
  PSG are a very good side.
• 48:41
  It's not them belly.
• 48:42
  Go on, I love buying then.
• 48:43
  Yeah.
• 48:44
  Shake on it.
• 48:45
  Well, there you go.
• 48:46
  I'll buy it.
• 48:46
  I'll take PSG.
• 48:47
  So, I just...
• 48:48
  I want Harry Kane to win the gold to win the Ballon d'Or.
• 48:51
  I want Harry Kane to win.
• 48:52
  You know what, you know what, he already goes.
• 48:53
  So now you're on all the nice, be nice.
• 48:55
  He's saying, the Patriotling, my same mate.
• 48:58
  My same mate have gone...
• 48:59
  Yeah, absolutely hilarious if Harry Kane didn't win a single thing.
• 49:02
  And I'm like, why is he horrible?
• 49:03
  I want him to win everything and do brilliant, but...
• 49:07
  I don't know the fella, but...
• 49:08
  I just want to say...
• 49:09
  I want to say I don't do well and my mate say,
• 49:11
  be definitely, if he never won nothing.
• 49:13
  He's already won the title.
• 49:14
  Yeah, no, but...
• 49:15
  You know, he hasn't gone there for the game.
• 49:17
  Tottenham goes down and Harry Kane wins the Ballon d'Or.
• 49:19
  Oh, imagine that.
• 49:20
  Imagine that.
• 49:21
  Oh, my lord.
• 49:23
  I mean, top.
• 49:24
  You've got the right to go, Joe.
• 49:25
  That, you just, you couldn't write it,
• 49:27
  that that would be the biggest tenant of any player
• 49:31
  and of any club you've ever seen.
• 49:33
  Because I imagine if you'd put money at the start of the season
• 49:36
  on how he came in and the Ballon d'Or and Spain's going down.
• 49:41
  To be a very rich man, stop it.
• 49:43
  What does he have to do to win the Ballon d'Or?
• 49:45
  Does he have to win the Ballon d'Or?
• 49:46
  He doesn't have to win the Champions League.
• 49:47
  Does he have to get close to winning the Ballon d'Or?
• 49:50
  No, he has to win the Champions League.
• 49:52
  I think the Champions League and scored in the 50 goals
• 49:55
  and the Bundesliga, that's enough to get the Ballon d'Or.
• 49:57
  Should be, but well, yeah, unless you're in the World Cup, you're in the World Cup.
• 50:03
  Unless you have a freak, unless you have a freak
• 50:05
  who comes in and scores 10 goals in the World Cup.
• 50:10
  That's the only way he's getting beat to the World Cup this year.
• 50:12
  Unless someone is a standout performing in the World Cup,
• 50:15
  a Killing and Baffer, he turns around and just cooks everyone.
• 50:18
  That's the only way I believe that Harry Kane's not getting the Ballon d'Or.
• 50:22
  Because no one's in 50 like he's in, but one's having the success
• 50:27
  and if they do win the Champions League, that is huge.
• 50:29
  It's basically, I don't want to say it's just dancing
• 50:32
  because it's not because Lewis there has been a revelation since he's gone there.
• 50:35
  Alisa has been fantastic.
• 50:36
  But let's be honest, when you talk about Bayern Munich,
• 50:38
  the first name that comes off your lips is Harry Kane.
• 50:42
  And you don't have a goal scorer?
• 50:43
  Yeah, and to be fair in some company.
• 50:46
  He's not very well.
• 50:46
  Don't very, very well.
• 50:47
  Show us that you don't want to just be given the chance.
• 50:49
  How would you feel about the fact of what he did apparently?
• 50:52
  You look at looking at, like going down and down,
• 50:54
  getting them to go into barely taking them up, but then managing them
• 50:58
  in a way that's never going to be able to keep them in the Premier League.
• 51:01
  But it did show other people what he's capable of,
• 51:04
  because it's worked for him.
• 51:05
  He got the Bayern Munich job.
• 51:07
  But he also won titles.
• 51:09
  Do you think by what he done?
• 51:10
  He's like, he knows I'll barely go on this weekend.
• 51:12
  No, not good.
• 51:13
  But I also think he will go to himself.
• 51:16
  He'll have said, I ain't changing.
• 51:18
  And I'm going to show people I'm not going to change.
• 51:21
  And I think that that shows.
• 51:23
  I know this sounds mad, but I think it shows strength to do that.
• 51:26
  Is that not important, himself?
• 51:28
  A ball ball, though.
• 51:29
  Yeah, I think he always, I think he goes.
• 51:31
  I'm more important than being able to do that.
• 51:32
  I'm not interested in survival,
• 51:34
  because I'm going to play dreadful football and survive now.
• 51:37
  I'm going to play my football the way I want to do it,
• 51:39
  the way that brought us up.
• 51:40
  And I'm going to show you and I'll stick to me.
• 51:42
  What if he was doing that at your club?
• 51:44
  In terms of, you know, you say no one's bigger than the club,
• 51:47
  but he basically said he is.
• 51:48
  Yeah, he is.
• 51:49
  So what have you did that to you?
• 51:52
  It's not me, that was it.
• 51:53
  It's not me, it's not me.
• 51:54
  I've been to comedy doesn't want me.
• 51:56
  It's a problem.
• 51:57
  And I don't want to be in some companies.
• 51:58
  A problem either.
• 51:59
  I'm a big fan, but yeah, I mean,
• 52:02
  at a club like ours, there was you be out the door.
• 52:05
  As soon as relegation is on the horizon at a club like ours,
• 52:09
  and we are a huge club believe you mean we aren't barely.
• 52:12
  Once relegation is on the horizon,
• 52:14
  99.9% of the time the manager's out the door.
• 52:17
  Especially if it would be close.
• 52:19
  That's how it's down at the bottom this year at all.
• 52:22
  Most of them have way into the merry-go-round
• 52:24
  and the managers that they usually have been trying to escape.
• 52:27
  I'm going to barely stop ice car parking, I'm in there.
• 52:29
  barely stop ice car parking.
• 52:31
  Wolves, they've gone through a couple of them here
• 52:33
  from Lysian thinking.
• 52:34
  Yeah, I'm talking about a few spares of other few.
• 52:38
  But that man and I, this is wild.
• 52:40
  I mean, you've just, I mean, come on,
• 52:43
  you can't be going on pictures,
• 52:44
  giving your manager the mouthful.
• 52:46
  I would hate to put the cameras at a club I was at.
• 52:50
  But again, I love to see it.
• 52:51
  Yeah, this is, yeah.
• 52:53
  You're not able to, you know, you're a bad man.
• 52:55
  I'm waiting.
• 52:55
  It's amazing.
• 52:56
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 52:57
  Like, oh.
• 52:58
  You know what, if you know, if you're playing the farthest
• 53:03
  and he comes on the pitch and starts giving it to you on the pitch,
• 53:06
  as a player, what do you do?
• 53:09
  Do you tell him to shut it?
• 53:10
  Do you tell him to walk?
• 53:11
  I'm a little fella.
• 53:12
  I mean, he's not the biggest.
• 53:14
  He's wild, but he's not the biggest.
• 53:15
  I couldn't make a dent in, in him.
• 53:18
  I'd be, I'd be nodding and smiling and then saying,
• 53:21
  yeah, thank you very much.
• 53:22
  And yeah, I wouldn't be, and then I'd probably,
• 53:24
  probably be running up to someone like you and say,
• 53:26
  you never guess what he's just said about you.
• 53:28
  I'll help you, Tony.
• 53:29
  If you're going on Monday, you're the failure,
• 53:31
  the next round of the door.
• 53:32
  The big owner of the big dunk saying,
• 53:34
  guess what, Peggy, guess what the,
• 53:35
  I just don't, I just don't,
• 53:37
  it's just for boss to stay.
• 53:39
  It, like you said, football is constantly evolving.
• 53:42
  Boss at the same time, there's some things that,
• 53:45
  that shouldn't be evolving.
• 53:46
  And I just think the involvement from above is just,
• 53:49
  it's madness.
• 53:51
  It let the manager, like I said to you,
• 53:53
  but I think managers are now becoming
• 53:55
  dispensable as players.
• 53:57
  And that's a worrying thing because a manager
• 53:59
  should be in control.
• 54:01
  A manager should be the, the book stops with him.
• 54:03
  That's how it should be.
• 54:04
  And I'll always say, I don't care.
• 54:05
  At what level this sport goes or what level for balls are,
• 54:09
  I always believe the book should stop with the manager.
• 54:12
  I don't care, you know.
• 54:14
  So the argument to that is that there's so much money invested
• 54:17
  into football by ownerships nowadays.
• 54:20
  That I definitely don't think that the owners
• 54:23
  should be gone onto the pitch, but they'll employ a
• 54:28
  director of football for one to the better term,
• 54:30
  because I manage every manager.
• 54:33
  You might have, you don't, you want to have one manager
• 54:36
  for 10 years, but you might have four managers in three,
• 54:39
  four years, and each manager might want
• 54:42
  to have different ideas or so to speak,
• 54:44
  a different set of players and different,
• 54:46
  and before you know it, you've got three or four different squads
• 54:49
  with a different players that can only do different things
• 54:52
  and they don't wait for the next manager.
• 54:54
  So one of the ideas is that you get a guy to overseer
• 54:58
  or a director of football or whatever the owner
• 55:00
  wants to call the time to him.
• 55:02
  And he's basically the guy pushing the club
• 55:05
  in the right direction and making sure that
• 55:07
  when you get a new manager, for instance,
• 55:09
  he's not just the best guy around, he suits your club
• 55:11
  and he's able to work with the players that you've got.
• 55:14
  And he's sort of, he's basically the guy
• 55:18
  that's keeping the club on track, right?
• 55:20
  So he's sort of managers come that could be completely
• 55:23
  obviously just.
• 55:23
  So who's a manager in the director of football or a manager?
• 55:26
  Because basically, he's compiled a squad together
• 55:28
  and he's telling you what to do.
• 55:29
  I don't disagree with that because a manager,
• 55:32
  if a manager's picking the team, he has to be able to
• 55:34
  know what players he's got and pick the players.
• 55:36
  And that's why I think a lot of clubs at the moment
• 55:38
  are getting in a bit of a trouble, a bit of a sticky situation
• 55:41
  because they want the manager to be holding to the ownership
• 55:46
  and be and be, yes, guys, I suppose, for one time a better turn.
• 55:50
  And I think, I think it's showing that that just doesn't work.
• 55:53
  The guy who's picking the teams got to be near and off the box.
• 55:56
  You want to find one that actually can buy into what you're doing
• 55:59
  higher up in the club as well.
• 56:00
  David Mosin's got to be responsible for everything.
• 56:03
  So that when he says to you, you're not playing
• 56:05
  because of this, you can't then go and winch to the director.
• 56:08
  He's a footballer at the ownership.
• 56:09
  You're not picking me.
• 56:10
  But I only did that twice.
• 56:14
  I just, the manager, I think I said the book should stop with the manager.
• 56:18
  David Mosin's done amazing at our place all
• 56:20
  of them years because the book stopped with him.
• 56:23
  Yes, of course, he answers to the people above them.
• 56:26
  And of course, he answers to a chairman and speaks them.
• 56:28
  But ultimately, he's in control.
• 56:30
  He lives and dies by the decisions he makes.
• 56:33
  I believe football managers now aren't being allowed to do that
• 56:37
  because they're just not in control.
• 56:40
  And I just doesn't sit well with me.
• 56:42
  I never will.
• 56:43
  I do see the need for directors of football
• 56:46
  because there's so much going on now.
• 56:48
  There's so many more things to take on board.
• 56:50
  But at the same time, I just think they should be there
• 56:53
  to support the manager.
• 56:56
  And that's why I think the difference is not telling you
• 56:58
  you shouldn't should have, but helps support me.
• 57:01
  So when a manager goes to him goes,
• 57:03
  listen, I need to ride back and I need to, I need to ride back
• 57:05
  and I need to ride Winger.
• 57:06
  Give us some options.
• 57:08
  Not like, I've got this feeling for you in you.
• 57:11
  These are your options.
• 57:12
  I believe it should be the other way around.
• 57:14
  But I don't know how it works at that kind of levels,
• 57:16
  you know what I mean?
• 57:16
  But I just think in football now,
• 57:19
  managers are just so dispensable.
• 57:21
  It's frightening.
• 57:22
  It really is because they're going at a crazy rate.
• 57:25
  I mean, Liam Lassini has gone into Chelsea.
• 57:28
  And it's like, does anyone genuinely believe
• 57:32
  he's telling them who's coming in and who's going out?
• 57:35
  I think he's openly sort of said that he's not.
• 57:37
  I think Mereska before him,
• 57:38
  he openly said that he's not in their football clubs
• 57:43
  that want to be completely in control,
• 57:45
  but they don't understand how to tactically pick a team
• 57:47
  so they seem to be bringing guys into the other.
• 57:49
  But you know, it's not an easy situation to be in.
• 57:54
  I don't think it's an easy situation for the players to be in.
• 57:56
  I mean, when managers are coming and going all the time
• 57:59
  and you're not quite sure who the boss is,
• 58:01
  but the cost of players these days,
• 58:04
  you're a cluber, I've got it.
• 58:06
  I haven't just been 50 million on a player
• 58:09
  and you've got five year contract to protect our club against
• 58:12
  other people coming in.
• 58:14
  And you have a dispute with the manager
• 58:15
  and it's 15 times cheaper to get rid of the manager.
• 58:19
  The manager's gone.
• 58:19
  Of course.
• 58:20
  Simple.
• 58:21
  No, it's come on. Let's just, let's just,
• 58:23
  we've had to type now again.
• 58:25
  Who's going down who's staying up?
• 58:29
  Barely and wolves are gone.
• 58:30
  I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm taking a back.
• 58:32
  I mean, you want to go down now?
• 58:34
  No, no, I'm not taking a back.
• 58:35
  No, I never want that.
• 58:36
  I don't want that.
• 58:37
  It shouldn't be allowed to happen.
• 58:38
  But I'm not saying it's lead.
• 58:40
  And our leads are obviously safe.
• 58:41
  And I said, it's smart.
• 58:42
  I was just going to be watching this.
• 58:43
  Before the last two games,
• 58:45
  I wasn't after them.
• 58:46
  It was before them.
• 58:47
  It wasn't too watched.
• 58:48
  He watched the United game.
• 58:49
  Yeah.
• 58:51
  I've seen them now 10 at the end.
• 58:52
  And I don't love lead.
• 58:53
  Big club.
• 58:54
  Got a couple of friends.
• 58:55
  Josh Walton's a good native man.
• 58:57
  Mad leads fan.
• 58:59
  So this, yeah, I think they're the one
• 59:01
  they say put a forest that I've
• 59:04
  forested out of it.
• 59:04
  Yeah.
• 59:05
  Can forest be dragged back in?
• 59:07
  Yeah.
• 59:08
  One win for both people.
• 59:09
  I think forest need a win.
• 59:11
  West down need a win.
• 59:13
  But probably two wins actually.
• 59:15
  I just still can't.
• 59:15
  I'm not having spares at all now.
• 59:17
  I just, I just, I just, I have to be to say,
• 59:19
  I don't know why I feel like that.
• 59:21
  It's cause of what my football club's done to me.
• 59:23
  It's what happens to me.
• 59:24
  I just feel like not.
• 59:24
  I've said it before though, but I mean,
• 59:27
  if spares get a win, they might get two or three.
• 59:30
  OK.
• 59:31
  So it's hopefully not against us.
• 59:32
  If they get a win, they might just get two or three
• 59:35
  because it'll be positivity and how it'll feel.
• 59:37
  And they'll realize they've actually
• 59:39
  got a squad full of good players.
• 59:40
  Because they have, you've got to have
• 59:42
  the best thing they don't have individual players.
• 59:45
  They're not a good team.
• 59:45
  The best thing they've done is give that manager
• 59:47
  a five-year contract.
• 59:48
  Because then players know he's, I'm listening to you.
• 59:51
  You're going to have to deal with him.
• 59:52
  This, this, you know, they might be with them in league one.
• 59:55
  Where are they going?
• 59:57
  Yeah.
• 59:58
  That's come on.
• 59:59
  He's just going to stop it.
• 1:00:00
  He's just going to drop it out there.
• 1:00:03
  If they're having a fire sale, if there's a play or a go.
• 1:00:06
  Listen, there's loads of players.
• 1:00:07
  I mean, I, I think on a Gallagher's a top player.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah, top, top player.
• 1:00:12
  I think Zabby Simmons, Simon's whatever you call them.
• 1:00:15
  You know, the decent player, Richie.
• 1:00:18
  I still miss him.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  I do still miss Richie.
• 1:00:22
  They don't know what they've got with him.
• 1:00:24
  I just don't think they use him correctly.
• 1:00:26
  They never have.
• 1:00:28
  Because he's an end product man and a fighter and a scrapper.
• 1:00:32
  So he plays right for Brazil because they all do the fancy stuff
• 1:00:35
  and they can play him in.
• 1:00:36
  They've been asking them to do a bit more at Spares.
• 1:00:38
  And he's, that's not really his game.
• 1:00:40
  It's not his game.
• 1:00:41
  Not really his game.
• 1:00:41
  He wants to be on the end of stuff running through to stay.
• 1:00:43
  You could take one Spares player, which one would you take?
• 1:00:47
  Just one.
• 1:00:48
  Are we saying realistic options?
• 1:00:49
  So like, I don't want to take it out because let me tell you,
• 1:00:52
  it's the way I've got no playing, I've got no fighting for Europe.
• 1:00:54
  At we, we've got to get any top of the play we want.
• 1:00:58
  I don't care what anyone says.
• 1:00:59
  But the sake of what would suit our team the best.
• 1:01:01
  Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Salanki.
• 1:01:03
  Hmm.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah.
• 1:01:05
  Interesting, Shells.
• 1:01:06
  Really?
• 1:01:07
  Do you think he's that good?
• 1:01:08
  I think he's, I think he's, I think he's, I think he's what we need.
• 1:01:15
  Okay.
• 1:01:16
  I'm looking around the squad and try basically what's better than what we've got
• 1:01:20
  or what improves us, what makes us a better team.
• 1:01:25
  Okay.
• 1:01:26
  Are you picking?
• 1:01:27
  Smart out.
• 1:01:28
  Actually, I got to argue with that to be fair.
• 1:01:31
  I'm just, he had one good season up almost.
• 1:01:34
  All right.
• 1:01:35
  Fair enough.
• 1:01:36
  I think he's a good player, but it's just, it's just one season now.
• 1:01:39
  Like he has to go 20 again somewhere else.
• 1:01:41
  Not like what it's his best and, and smash the granny out of it.
• 1:01:44
  He just, he had one good season up.
• 1:01:45
  He got on the moist out.
• 1:01:47
  Smash the granny out.
• 1:01:49
  He just smashed the back.
• 1:01:50
  Smash the back.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah.
• 1:01:53
  I just, let me have a moment of that.
• 1:01:54
  Just smash the back, Harvey.
• 1:01:55
  You just, you've had one mad season for Bournemouth
• 1:01:57
  and I just, you know, listen, Marcus Stewart's got a 20 primarily goals one season.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah, fair enough.
• 1:02:02
  And I just think I want to see more than one season.
• 1:02:05
  Yes, he showed great ability, but he hasn't let upstairs since he's been there.
• 1:02:09
  Do you want Richiebach?
• 1:02:10
  Is that what you, that's what Richiebach passion is up.
• 1:02:13
  But then I don't, I don't, I'm sorry, but it's a different team now.
• 1:02:19
  And I don't think Richie's not a better footballer than Kenan Jusbiot.
• 1:02:24
  I'm sorry, he's not, they're not, they're not different trying to be the same footballer.
• 1:02:28
  I know the not footballers, you, it's where Kenan Jusbiot plays.
• 1:02:32
  And then you've got, and then you've got Cleaver shots on the left.
• 1:02:34
  And you've got element and dials on the right, he ain't taking any of them places.
• 1:02:38
  Go on, then you, you ask the question, who are you bringing it?
• 1:02:42
  He says it's a lanky normal life.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, yeah, it's good, after he's slanking.
• 1:02:52
  How long have we got?
• 1:02:53
  How long are we giving up for this question?
• 1:02:54
  I found the van's the player mate.
• 1:02:56
  He wants my stance to go down and we have Jada Bowen.
• 1:02:58
  I found the van.
• 1:02:58
  I found the van's the player mate.
• 1:03:00
  We're not getting him.
• 1:03:01
  He's a top player.
• 1:03:02
  You never know me.
• 1:03:03
  He is, he, he's a bit eccentric, but he's a player.
• 1:03:06
  I don't love Khanogale, but then there's Khanogale, the pro,
• 1:03:09
  we've got four centre-offs.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah, we have.
• 1:03:13
  There's right.
• 1:03:14
  So let's just play five with the back, be solid.
• 1:03:17
  Let's flip it off to the other side of the table.
• 1:03:20
  I've asked another officially bottled it.
• 1:03:22
  Oh, that's a bit, that's a bit, I don't think the run-ins done.
• 1:03:27
  I don't think it's done.
• 1:03:28
  I think it's definitely not done.
• 1:03:30
  I think, I think, I don't, I don't see it's not over.
• 1:03:33
  Both teams win and all the remaining games.
• 1:03:35
  Definitely not.
• 1:03:36
  And then there's points to be dropped here somewhere along the lines.
• 1:03:39
  I don't know where you're picking us.
• 1:03:41
  I think, do you think you're picking us to win the league from here?
• 1:03:44
  You have to say city.
• 1:03:46
  You're really city to win the league from from this position.
• 1:03:48
  But I've said Arsenal right up to this moment.
• 1:03:51
  But if city beat Burnley, which is getting played this week,
• 1:03:54
  it's not happened yet.
• 1:03:56
  If city beat Burnley, then they're top of the league.
• 1:03:59
  What city, city top of the league before games to go?
• 1:04:02
  I would give that up.
• 1:04:04
  Would you rather be in Arsenal's hands and you've got the points
• 1:04:07
  or would you rather be in the city's hands and you've got to play for them as a player?
• 1:04:11
  You'd rather have the points.
• 1:04:13
  The points on the board.
• 1:04:14
  You'd rather be in city's position right now because if they get the points,
• 1:04:17
  which is against Burnley, who they could potentially relegate because that's the golf in the teams.
• 1:04:22
  And if they win that game, they go top.
• 1:04:25
  You'd rather be city in this moment.
• 1:04:26
  As soon as Arsenal has to Bournemouth, you're happy to be city.
• 1:04:30
  Is yours a distraction for Arsenal at this phase at this stage?
• 1:04:35
  No, I don't think it is.
• 1:04:39
  I think it's helped them a little bit because they went from losing against
• 1:04:46
  from losing against Bournemouth to not having a whole week press and media and everything
• 1:04:53
  building up to that city game.
• 1:04:54
  They got through.
• 1:04:57
  But they had that game that everybody had to turn their attentions to
• 1:05:00
  and everybody had to just take their focus off to talk about that game.
• 1:05:04
  I think that helped them.
• 1:05:05
  I think it might help them the same in terms of focus.
• 1:05:08
  I think that's what helped City.
• 1:05:10
  Just the fact that they're out.
• 1:05:12
  Maybe.
• 1:05:13
  Yeah, they can just focus on that.
• 1:05:14
  They've just gone.
• 1:05:15
  It's all guns blazing at the Premier League.
• 1:05:17
  I think that's what's here in Arsenal.
• 1:05:20
  But to be fair, they've got a huge squad.
• 1:05:23
  I mean, I think that they're really missing an influential player.
• 1:05:27
  And you're in timber.
• 1:05:29
  I think he's he's tall.
• 1:05:31
  Yeah, love him.
• 1:05:32
  The missing in the Premier League in a minute.
• 1:05:35
  So, yeah, best fall back in the Premier League.
• 1:05:38
  And they were all lucky that he got injured and his debut last season,
• 1:05:41
  missed him the whole last season.
• 1:05:43
  That's how you do ask for me by surprise this year.
• 1:05:45
  The centre-off at City.
• 1:05:47
  Christian off Easter quickest centre-off.
• 1:05:49
  I haven't seen him in my life.
• 1:05:51
  I don't.
• 1:05:52
  He's really he's been a mentor.
• 1:05:53
  He's got to be in the Premier League season.
• 1:05:56
  When you were playing for your old school team,
• 1:05:58
  sorry, your old Sunday league team, you obviously banging in the goals.
• 1:06:01
  I was ever in centre-forward back then.
• 1:06:03
  But you keep telling me to tell me you're going to stop.
• 1:06:05
  Stop lying.
• 1:06:06
  I thought there was always a player in the team you got managers played.
• 1:06:09
  There was always a monster improved.
• 1:06:11
  I'm telling you, cushion off.
• 1:06:12
  We win in that in a minute.
• 1:06:13
  He's absolutely fantastic.
• 1:06:14
  He has an half improved since his debut last January.
• 1:06:17
  When he brought him in, when he looked small and slight and frail.
• 1:06:21
  I mean, he only found this season.
• 1:06:23
  What's up with me?
• 1:06:25
  I've only come this season.
• 1:06:26
  It's time to go to check.
• 1:06:29
  He played against Chelsea.
• 1:06:31
  He made a bad mistake at the very start of the game
• 1:06:33
  and looked like he cowered away.
• 1:06:34
  As I say, physically looked slight.
• 1:06:37
  To now, he looks like a brute of a centre-off.
• 1:06:40
  There is quicker than everyone else.
• 1:06:42
  He's stronger than ever else.
• 1:06:43
  He's making really good decisions, thinking, wow, that doesn't always stuff.
• 1:06:47
  Roger, he's coming into his own again now.
• 1:06:49
  Roger, he's starting to get a bit more involved.
• 1:06:51
  Bernardo Silver's just excellent.
• 1:06:53
  I mean, wow.
• 1:06:54
  I wasn't even going.
• 1:06:55
  Bernardo Silver, what was the start of it?
• 1:06:57
  You know, he looked me start, Tony.
• 1:06:59
  He's played in like 410 of Manchester City's last 415 games.
• 1:07:06
  I'm famous.
• 1:07:07
  Something like that.
• 1:07:08
  They're not the exact number.
• 1:07:10
  You don't want to know.
• 1:07:11
  He doesn't get loads of assists.
• 1:07:13
  He just controls games.
• 1:07:15
  He's my favourite family player.
• 1:07:16
  He just harvests around.
• 1:07:20
  He just, he's just everywhere.
• 1:07:22
  The big question is, David Silver was one of my favourite
• 1:07:25
  memory players ever.
• 1:07:26
  What would you like to play against us?
• 1:07:27
  Easy.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Really straightforward and easy.
• 1:07:32
  No, he was, he was brilliant.
• 1:07:34
  But, and I never thought I'd be saying this.
• 1:07:37
  Bernardo Silver now comes into the conversation.
• 1:07:39
  He pushes him.
• 1:07:41
  Who's the best silver at City?
• 1:07:43
  I don't think he gets past David Silver yet.
• 1:07:45
  But I think he does not push him.
• 1:07:47
  He wins it this year, does he?
• 1:07:49
  Which?
• 1:07:50
  He wins the Premier League this year, does he, does he edge?
• 1:07:54
  Probably, yeah.
• 1:07:55
  David Silver.
• 1:07:55
  He could, no.
• 1:07:58
  David won a few.
• 1:08:00
  Exceptional.
• 1:08:01
  He could be a great captain to lift or he could lift a trouble this year.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah, Bernardo Silver.
• 1:08:08
  Can I borrow a copy?
• 1:08:09
  I think of the, uh, the master travel.
• 1:08:11
  That's what we call it.
• 1:08:14
  Well, Ozzy, you, you reeled off some stats just before, for, for a bit of fun.
• 1:08:18
  Oh, that's a, that's finished with a bit of a quiz with a new segment.
• 1:08:23
  Ozzy vs Tony.
• 1:08:24
  Thanks for that.
• 1:08:25
  Oh, that's an original name.
• 1:08:26
  Ozzy, Ozzy has to get something in the ring.
• 1:08:29
  We beat you up on the golf course enough.
• 1:08:31
  You know, very, very early.
• 1:08:33
  I will be biased.
• 1:08:35
  I'm sure it'll be.
• 1:08:36
  No, and I'm sure you don't know the questions.
• 1:08:38
  I'll try and give you the easy ones, Tony.
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  So today's topic is Derby winners.
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  Oh, go on there.
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  So the way it's going to work.
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  I'll ask one of your question.
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  You've got to try and guess who the goal scorer was.
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  I'll give you the game and the year.
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  And then you guess who the goal scorer was.
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  If you don't get it, it gets passed over to the other person.
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  This is fantastic.
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  Right.
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  So Tony, this is quite an easy one for you to start off with.
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  Of course it is.
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  December 2004.
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  Ever and one Liverpool nail.
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  Who is the goal scorer?
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  2004.
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  I'm dreadful with years, but I'm just going to go Kevin Campbell
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  and not that I'm filled.
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  It's not.
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  It's our brothers in part.
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  I want to give you a beer like me.
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  Give me a go.
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  I told you.
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  Because he assisted it with the 2000.
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  Was Kevin Campbell's in 2000 and 1999?
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  1999 Kevin Campbell.
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  We were more than.
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  Kevin was 99.
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  See what I mean?
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  I'm talking about years.
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  You can't ask me years.
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  Just you could have given me a hint of I'll know that.
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  So 2004.
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  You're going to beat yourself if you don't get it.
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  He was another super though.
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  He was another super.
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  Something with me.
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  Bold.
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  What might we say in that?
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  No, I'm just saying number 26 2004.
• 1:10:02
  That's graphs.
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  It's not always made.
• 1:10:05
  I'm a cosy cosy.
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  Not until a year.
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  Can you, can you not say you like?
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  Can you give me a hint on the years it's in?
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  I'm lost.
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  What you mean like songs of that year and what film is out that year as well?
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  Just to put you in them all just yet.
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  I just need.
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  I need a bit of help with years.
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  It's not good.
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  I say one, Susan one now.
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  I just thought it's Kevin Campbell.
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  Yeah.
• 1:10:29
  I think I'd be the sides you feel a big, I struggled.
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  Let's say that was a practice round.
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  OK, so you're still in the Tony?
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  No, but of course.
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  April 2012, Man City won United.
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  Nail.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Later on in the season.
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  A city.
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  Yeah, Vincent company is indeed.
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  Vincent company.
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  Get in head one nail Aussie.
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  A painful one for us, maybe given too much away.
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  But December 2018 Liverpool one ever nil.
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  Liverpool one ever nil.
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  What year 2018?
• 1:11:12
  Was it Liverpool one ever nil or ever Liverpool?
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  Liverpool one Liverpool one.
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  Oh, you know what?
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  That means it was I'm thinking that that's the horrible game where I took our baby.
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  The game and it was in it was in the cup.
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  Well, I haven't got down.
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  I think it was a league and it was Curtis Jones, the scorer.
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  It wasn't.
• 1:11:33
  OK, so it wasn't.
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  I think I think it was the.
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  Which is.
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  Pickford mistook across the bar.
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  I thought that was the way he should.
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  One of the 90 plus 27 minutes.
• 1:11:46
  No, that was three to a really.
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  They were really.
• 1:11:49
  No, so that's another point for Aussie.
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  Yeah, here we go.
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  Manchester Derby United for Man City three.
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  In 2009.
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  Is this my question or is I know that so I think I think I know.
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  But you've got.
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  No, no, it wasn't.
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  It was Michael Owen.
• 1:12:10
  It was Michael Owen.
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  Oh, my God.
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  I was always out of knowledge.
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  It's not my family's travel, but I just think I was.
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  I scored nil.
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  That was the last man.
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  No, it was two on that game.
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  Was it?
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  See what I mean?
• 1:12:24
  Didn't even realise I knew this myself.
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  This is great.
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  I'll throw one more out there.
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  We're doing a box and one next week.
• 1:12:31
  Mohamed Ali for Sonny List and in what year Leon?
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  1961.
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  No, it's not far off.
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  Foxy.
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  I've got a part of me.
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  It's not that year, but he's not.
• 1:12:45
  Was it 59?
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  No, it's not.
• 1:12:48
  He went, he went to a gold medal.
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  We got sent to him.
• 1:12:52
  He got sent to the.
• 1:12:54
  So the chance to get him in the draft.
• 1:12:56
  So we have to stop boxing for a bit.
• 1:12:57
  He'd already beat Liston by then.
• 1:12:59
  Yes, he had.
• 1:13:00
  Let's have one more North London.
• 1:13:02
  Are we Arsenal two, Tottenham 3 November 2010?
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  No chance.
• 1:13:08
  Arsenal two, Tottenham 3.
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  2010.
• 1:13:13
  It's off on this one of three.
• 1:13:16
  Crouch, Lenin or Bentley.
• 1:13:21
  I'm going to give you a clue.
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  Is it any of them?
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  No.
• 1:13:25
  Centre Bach.
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  Centre A for Tottenham.
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  All the viral.
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  All the fields.
• 1:13:35
  Oh, leave that one out there for the listeners.
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  It's not.
• 1:13:39
  It's not what's the brilliant lad who used to play for the number.
• 1:13:41
  We could never train.
• 1:13:43
  Not the King.
• 1:13:45
  That's too late.
• 1:13:46
  It was Jonas Kubull.
• 1:13:48
  I'll never get that.
• 1:13:49
  It's Jonas.
• 1:13:51
  It's Kubull.
• 1:13:53
  What I'll finish on it, Ozzy.
• 1:13:55
  Ozzy's definitely the winner of the quiz for the end.
• 1:13:57
  We'll do the one every week.
• 1:13:59
  What was horrible, like going through that,
• 1:14:01
  is the amount of times Liverpool have done it to ever.
• 1:14:03
  It's actually the Screenshells.
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  Barney, Adoni.
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  Macarlester.
• 1:14:07
  Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Horrible man.
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  Deer Keith.
• 1:14:10
  Yeah, another horrible man.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah, played in that one.
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  Thanks.
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  Thanks for that.
• 1:14:15
  That was 90 plus two.
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  That's the mark.
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  That big, Davie.
• 1:14:18
  Why is it called that send off Jack?
• 1:14:20
  No, he sent off.
• 1:14:22
  He sent off.
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  Hebo.
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  And Steve.
• 1:14:25
  I don't know.
• 1:14:26
  Hebo brought him down.
• 1:14:27
  Remember.
• 1:14:29
  And then that's it.
• 1:14:30
  Just to tell you.
• 1:14:32
  Paul is Paul is yellow card out.
• 1:14:34
  Stephen walked past him.
• 1:14:35
  And basically it looked to everyone like he's gone to read that.
• 1:14:38
  He's last man.
• 1:14:39
  Any change pulled out his red card.
• 1:14:40
  And that wasn't the worst of it.
• 1:14:42
  They then got a penalty, which was a penalty to be there for a humble.
• 1:14:46
  Phil Neville got a second player and two won down.
• 1:14:49
  And then last minute of the game with nine men.
• 1:14:52
  We're the long throwin' in the box.
• 1:14:54
  Carrega pulled to only less got to the ground.
• 1:14:57
  And should they be in a pen and even Cloudberg says he can't understand.
• 1:14:59
  He didn't give it.
• 1:15:01
  And I don't think he came back to go to something about eight, nine years after that.
• 1:15:05
  I'd refer to it always, but he's done a few decisions against us on the beginning.
• 1:15:09
  In Darby's.
• 1:15:12
  Whatever his name is.
• 1:15:15
  It's just coming.
• 1:15:16
  Yeah, and he said, he managed a few Darby's.
• 1:15:20
  I was told in the stadium, one of the people wanted to do the fans were saying.
• 1:15:25
  He's a York, he sports on the seams in York.
• 1:15:28
  So I said, I bet it was Bolton.
• 1:15:29
  And he's a Bolton fan in the year.
• 1:15:31
  We sent Bolton down.
• 1:15:32
  That's why it's us.
• 1:15:34
  I was just, I was making any, no, but that's a big conspiracy.
• 1:15:37
  Well, you know, who knows?
• 1:15:39
  I have to say something, but, you know, we didn't have a thing.
• 1:15:42
  It's biased.
• 1:15:43
  I think they go into the game trying to do the best, whether they have a game or the best book.
• 1:15:47
  But plays in the play.
• 1:15:49
  I've got to go to back.
• 1:15:50
  I get it plays in the year as does now.
• 1:15:53
  But I'm very advantageous.
• 1:15:54
  He's just he's riffing the game and he's just allowed him to be influenced like each that.
• 1:15:59
  There's no way in this world that wasn't a book.
• 1:16:03
  And when he does that and I just think that changed the whole dynamic of the game.
• 1:16:07
  He sends it off.
• 1:16:08
  Now I want to yell out, you ain't throwing a tackle.
• 1:16:09
  Anyone, you ain't putting it in on Beto.
• 1:16:11
  You ain't getting stuck in like he can.
• 1:16:13
  And I just think it sets the whole tempo up.
• 1:16:15
  But it's just book pick, because we don't like it.