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The Last Ferrari to Win Le Mans: A Wild Ride with the 250 LM · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  As part of Ferrari Fridays, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace
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  But anyways, onward to today's episode.
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  Today, we are going to talk about The last Ferrari to win Le Mans and we're
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  gonna talk about the race itself too because the race is crazy crazy stuff
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  I don't know how familiar you all might be with that 1965 race, but it was some
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  crazy stuff But we're gonna talk about chassis number five eight nine three
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  the last Ferrari to win Le Mans the 250 LM Now a little history behind that car
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  Now Ferrari your game plan was is you know, they were racing that car, you
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  know quite a bit around I think they built I believe it was 34 of those cars.
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  Now they're trying to pull the fast one like they did the year before the GTO.
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  And.
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  You know, 65, you know, the, the FIA now wasn't having any of
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  it in regards to, you know, oh, that's homologated and you do it.
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  And they did, so they didn't, he couldn't do the DTO because it
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  wasn't homologated for the GT class.
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  And so he tried to get it.
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  For the two 50 L.
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  M.
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  But they said, Nah, I don't think so.
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  Um, they were not going to let that fly.
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  So they had to run in the prototype class, which was going
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  up against the four GT forties.
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  Now, everyone's very familiar with that story.
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  Ford versus Ferrari and, you know, bringing everything to,
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  you know, to light and whatnot.
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  And, you know, the first shot of this was in 64 and sorry about that.
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  Had a phone call coming in.
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  Apologize for that.
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  Um, But anyways, everyone is very familiar with that whole story, but
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  you know, the first race, the first time Ford Iverson entered was in 64.
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  It is everything, what the hell, in a handbasket.
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  And 65, you know, they brought quite a few.
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  Then, um, they had two of the cars with the huge ass 7 liter engines in them.
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  You know, they were just going all hell bent, you know, to
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  beat Ferrari and what not.
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  But anyways, that's what the story is about.
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  This is the story about the 250 LM.
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  So anyways.
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  They had to run those cards in the prototype class against the Fords.
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  So, so be it.
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  So, basically, they all thought they had no shot.
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  Um, you know, so there was quite a few of these cards that were entered.
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  A majority of them Or actually entered by privateers The one that we're
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  going to talk about was actually, you know entered by Luigi Chinetti's
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  North American racing team NART and do it so That's where this came in.
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  But now there's a said there's a few other Private entries that were put out
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  there, but there's also a few factory entries that were put also out there.
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  So, there was some nice, there was a nice effort behind it, but they
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  just thought they didn't have a chance because they were going to
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  be classified in the prototype, and they're going against the Ford GT40s.
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  So anyways, they, you know, hey, set things up, let's get racing, right?
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  Um, so, this car, they qualified in 11th place.
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  I mean, yeah, it's down there a little bit, a little bit ways.
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  You know, the thing was, is the Jeep Ford GT 40s were, you know, the top end speed
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  on those things was absolutely ridiculous.
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  You know, uh, the fastest it's ever been seen there at Lamar.
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  I think at one point they were 219 miles an hour.
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  I think it was on the Mulsanne.
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  So obviously those things were trucking along.
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  Long story short, we know what happened with the Ford GT 40s, but anyways.
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  In this particular car, there was actually, you know, and like I said,
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  not sure how many there are, but listed on the driving entry, there
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  was actually, it says there's three.
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  There was Mastin Gregory, Yocan Rint, but also American Ed Hugus.
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  Now.
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  This is kind of a, you know, as they say, a, um, bar stool story type deal, uh,
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  in regards to Ed Hugus actually being one of the drivers or participating.
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  Um, you know, it was really kept hush hush for a long time, but, you
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  know, certain people said no, certain people said yes, Ed Hugus said yes.
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  Um, Luigi Cianetti Jr., who was actually at the race in the pits, said no,
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  he didn't get in the car and race.
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  Cause the big thing was Is, you know, by the rules and everything like that,
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  if he had gotten actually, if he had been in the car when, uh, Mastin came
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  in and he got injured, so if there would have been a big to do about it
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  and they would have got disqualified.
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  So they really didn't, um, get into it too much about it.
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  So it kind of kept us hush hush.
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  But, I said, you know, in the, the lore of the 24 hours of Le Mans.
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  Um, it's pretty much stated that, you know, he actually didn't drive,
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  but you know what I said, it all depends on who you were talking with.
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  So anyways, so they qualify in 11th place.
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  So they get trucking along, you know, race starts, the GT 40s, you know,
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  they take off just like bats out of hell, you know, gone, going in there.
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  Well, In the 4th hour of the race, the car actually ran
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  into some mechanical problems.
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  Um, and they had to change a distributor on the car and lost about 30 minutes.
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  So they actually were like about 10 laps down, 4 hours into the race.
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  And they were down in 18th position.
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  So, um, it's, you know, they had some catching up to and basically, you know,
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  kind of, More to the story was Mastin and Yogan did not even want to be there
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  because they knew they had in their minds.
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  They had no shot of winning, you know, and they thought it was a big waste of time.
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  So they kind of had an agreement between the two of them, whatnot.
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  And again, we don't know if that was involved in this or
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  not, but, um, had nothing.
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  We're just going to drive flat out.
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  We're just going to beat the piss out of this car and just go
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  balls out and see what we can do.
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  Um, now I obviously everyone knows back in those days.
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  With the cars that was more, you know, it wasn't a sprint like it was today where
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  you're almost doing qualifying laps, you know, lap in, lap out, you know,
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  you had to, I want to say nurse the car, but you had to really take care of your
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  machinery back then, which your cars, you know, not saying they were super
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  delicate, but, you know, this equipment, you know, being manufactured back then,
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  the brakes engine, you know, stuff like that tires yourself, you know, was it
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  made to be Beat non lap in lap out lap in lap out, you know, so you have really
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  had to And again, I want to say nurse the car, but you had to be very I say
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  delicate But you you know You just had to know how to work the car and not push
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  it to an extreme But also not go too slow because obviously you want to win.
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  But anyways So these two were you know had things like screw it We're
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  just gonna go as balls out as fast as we can and then especially when
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  the fact this came by the fourth hour Uh, they had mechanical problems.
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  They were stuck in the pits for about a half hour and went 10 laps down.
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  So that kind of like putting things out, well, what's going on.
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  So anyways, so cruising along, um, and you know, kind of going to the
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  get back to the race and you don't know, is really even paying attention
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  to this car and, you know, cause it's way down, it's 10 laps down.
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  And there's really no way they'd have a shot in their, in their mind.
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  Anyways, even getting on the podium.
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  Was, you know, kind of out there.
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  So they said, keep things interesting, you know, we're just
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  going to go, go balls out, screw it.
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  So anyways.
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  Uh, the Ford, the seven liter cars were some of the first that were
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  getting, uh, knocked out of the race.
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  First, you know, they had massive, you know, just gas mileage
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  issues were just horrendous.
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  They keep having to make so many stops because these engines
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  were just gulping down gasoline.
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  Uh, and then the big thing that happened was because of the monster's
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  torque out of those seven liters, their transmission just all blew up.
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  So those two were out.
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  First ones out were those big seven liters.
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  It's just, you know, one thing was, you know, just the motors itself
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  sucking up gas, but the transmission just couldn't handle the torque.
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  But then the small engine Fords hit trouble and so after six hours, they, all
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  the Ford GT Fords were out of the race.
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  So, all Ferraris held the top five places and there it was, it was theirs to lose.
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  So, but anyways, and I could say, and lose they did because the factory entries
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  ended up, you know, falling apart.
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  But anyways, the um, in the middle of the night, the uh, cars from the
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  British Maranello Concessionaires cars, they went out during the night.
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  Um, then the factory cars are factory sponsored, you know,
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  started to fall by the wayside.
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  Now, the one thing was in regards to, you know, they're saying that the disc
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  brakes, you know, that got manufactured when the cars were not the greatest.
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  Um, so what happened was is they were telling their drivers, Hey,
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  you know, instead of using your brakes so much thing, use the
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  engine to slow the car down.
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  So, and as you know, that puts an immense amount of strain
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  on a motor and transmission.
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  Trying to do that.
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  You know, if you're going, you know, 110 miles an hour in the corner and you drop
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  it down into third or second, you know, that should only be topping out at 80
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  miles an hour or something like that.
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  You know, that's really going to just blow things up.
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  Well, sure enough, bam, all the factory entries from Ferrari
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  started going by the wayside.
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  So all of these were pretty much, you know, you know, come morning,
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  you know, all those, the factory engines, everything were, uh, All done.
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  Everything like that.
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  But now, see in the middle of the night, this is where that, you know,
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  the legend, the story comes in about this supposed third driver, Ed Hugus.
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  Now, what came about was, obviously, you know, with the rules and regulations
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  going on, and those two, you know, Gregory and Rint not even giving two shits about
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  the race, you know, and just going on.
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  And, When Gregory was in the car in the headstand, Johan,
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  Jochen Ritt just, he disappeared.
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  And it's kind of debatable, people really aren't exactly sure if he
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  was over there sleeping, or if he went and he was having some beers
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  and having some fun or what not.
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  Some even said he actually even left the track entirely, because he figured there's
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  no way this car was going to make it.
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  So, What happened was is when Mastin came in to change drivers
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  because he was just absolutely beat.
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  He had been doing a long stint.
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  I think he did it like a two or three, you know, uh, stints,
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  uh, straight stints in the car.
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  Um, he came in and obviously rent was nowhere to be found.
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  So they don't know what to do.
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  So this is where the story comes in, where Ed Hugus jumped in the
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  car and under the cover of Darkus and took off and started driving.
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  Um, how many hours?
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  I'm not exactly sure, but again, because it really was never
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  enlisted as him being a driver.
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  So it wasn't really kind of wrote announcing, Oh, I did this many hours.
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  This did this stint, blah, blah, blah.
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  Um, but I said, you know, today's son, you know, he didn't definitively say
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  no, but he didn't, did, did, did not definitively say yes, that he drove
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  in a car, but his said it was though you thought it was highly unlikely.
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  So anyways.
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  So coming back and you know, so suppose it's Hugus is out in the car
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  and he comes back in and there we go.
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  And guess who gets back to the car?
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  Gregory Massing gets back in the car and starts driving more.
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  So by this time, Greg's by the car, they found rent and rent
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  is like shocked as all get out.
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  As you can imagine saying, well, wait, the car's not retired.
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  So it's a, Kind of, you know, funny.
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  It's like, Oh, okay.
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  Well, maybe we do have a shot at this now because he's coming in.
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  What happened was, is they were basically coming in the morning.
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  They were in the cars all falling out.
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  They were in second place.
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  But here's kind of another loop in the story.
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  Kind of just another, I would say not curve ball, but another,
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  you know, one story for the ages.
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  Um, they were actually behind in second place behind the Belgian team
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  that was also in a 250 LM and running.
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  Now.
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  So, these all European cars were on Dunlop's, but the Nart car with
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  Gregory and Rint were on Goodyear's.
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  Now, Bastian Gregory and Johan Rint were exceptionally faster than
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  the drivers of the Belgian team.
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  And so, in the morning hours, a certain representative from the Dunlop Tire
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  Company comes down to their pit, to the Nart pit, and I want to say kindly
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  asked, but basically states, uh, and under the guise that this was coming
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  from the big man himself, Enzo, please slow, have your drivers slow down.
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  Let the Belgian team win because they're on Dunlop's and you guys are
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  on Goodyear's and we can't have that because for ours at that time, we're
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  all sold supplied with Dunlop's.
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  So Chinetti being Chinetti, and being probably the only one that could really
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  kind of, I guess, stand up to Enzo, I mean, historize what not and everything
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  he's done for him, said piss off.
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  Uh, that wasn't gonna happen.
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  So, everything's moving forward, and funny enough, , what does happen to the
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  Belgian team when their dunlops explodes and it just tears up the card to all
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  the hell in the hand basket and shreds the body work the whole nine yards.
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  So it, it just goes upon.
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  So by the time they're able to get the car back to the pits and get things
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  repaired, it's over and done with Rent and Garry are ba in the front.
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  So anyways, they cruise to victory and they win by five laps.
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  I mean, isn't that awesome or what?
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  I mean, from the start of the race where two guys basically said,
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  we have no chance of winning this race, to winning by five laps.
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  I mean, they were ten laps down after four hours in.
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  Usually that thing, forget it, you're done.
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  And then Rint disappearing in the middle of the night.
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  Um, then, you know, supposedly Ed Hugus get in the car in the middle
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  of the night because he disappeared, you know, so there's all these little
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  stories within the story about stuff in regards to this car or this race in
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  the car and the drivers and everything.
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  So will it ever be?
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  No, Ed Hughes passed away, unfortunately, in 2006.
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  So, but, you know, Ed was a super nice gentleman, very honest man,
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  and he had made the comment and said that, yeah, he did drive in the car.
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  But again, some people say no, and I don't know if there's paranoia that they
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  think, you know, That they're gonna go back 50 some odd years and basically say,
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  oh, sorry, , if we're gonna take that win away from you, I doubt it highly.
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  Um, what's done is done.
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  So, but it's kind of just a very, very interesting story.
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  But that card, the, the last Ferrari two win, Lamar, the two 50 Lmm
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  chassis 5 8 9 3, now resides in the Indianapolis Motor Museum Motor Museum
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  in Indianapolis at the Speedway.
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  Um.
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  I always thought it was kind of odd in regards to the certain cars and
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  I don't know if you've ever been to that museum But it's awesome.
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  It's got some cool stuff and you would think going there Oh, they probably
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  just got old Indy cars and you know, the front engine stuff and the Offenhausers
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  and that stuff You know from back in the day, but actually they have quite a
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  collection now I know recently they've been starting to sell off a bunch of stuff
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  that really either a I don't say need to work What not really didn't fit into
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  their parameters I think they're kind of restructuring things but they got some
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  really cool stuff I mean, they got the last Friday with my, um, I can't imagine
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  what that thing would be worth that thing went out to market or even to auction.
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  I know in 2014, uh, a two 50 lm or reasons like for went for almost like just
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  under 20 million, something like that.
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  And that was the one that one Lamar, the last part of when Lamar.
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  So you gotta figure this thing is probably 30 40 million be my guess.
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  Um, it'd be interesting to find out someone how to try.
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  I mean, I don't think you could price it.
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  I mean, I think if it went to auction, you have to put a
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  reserve at least 40 million on it.
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  That's me.
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  Um, I don't know about you guys.
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  Let me know your thoughts.
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  You know, shoot me an email.
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  Let me know what you guys think.
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  Um, but I'd love to hear that thing run.
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  I think, now there's some videos online if you go to YouTube and whatnot.
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  There's some of the, um, you know, histories like back in 2014, uh, Celebes.
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  Uh, Celebes.
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  Um, you know, has a video of it driving around.
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  It's, you know, early morning, like three would happen.
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  It's not, but you hear that thing run.
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  Uh, I know DK engineering's got one DK does this other stuff with
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  the Ferraris and stuff like that.
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  So, but those things sound just absolutely phenomenal.
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  Um, but anyways, that's pretty much what I wanted to talk about today
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  was the last Ferrari to win Le Mans.
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  Ferrari 250LM chassis 5893.
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  It's a great story, I mean, that in itself could be a movie it sounds like.
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  I mean, I don't know, you could try and squeeze two hours out of that.
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  But, um, it's pretty funny.
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  I mean, it's just, everything about it from Gregory and Rint.
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  Just, you know, saying screw this.
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  We have no shot.
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  Let's just beat the hell of the car and just go balls out, um, right off
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  the bat and then being 10 laps down.
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  You can just disappearing and whatnot.
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  And you know, and then a little side.
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  I was always interesting.
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  You know, whenever you say mass again, Gregory, the guy's from
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  Kansas, but you say his name, you think he's German or Austrian.
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  He's from Europe or something like that.
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  Mastin Gregory.
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  It sounds like a European name, not an American name.
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  You know, and you can rent being the only F one driver that puts
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  posthumously win the F one title.
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  Um, you know, died tragically, uh, that year.
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  Uh, but he still ended up winning the title with, I think it was like two or
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  three races to go, something like that.
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  But, you know, um, tried story, but phenomenal driver.
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  I mean, he probably would have went on to win a few more F one titles
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  in his time and probably some more.
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  You know, 25 a mile, whatnot.
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  I mean, just a phenomenal guy.
• 19:57
  Um, so anyways, but that's all I have to talk about today for
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  this podcast, this episode.
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  Uh, I hope you enjoy it.
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  Like I said, spread the word, get it out there, pass it around, shoot
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  emails to people, post it wherever.
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  I'd really appreciate all your help kind of make this grow.
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  Uh, and any suggestions and thoughts, you know, for this episode or next,
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  the other episodes, I mean, please.
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  Let me know.
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  Um, I'm saying I'm gonna try and mix it up.
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  I'm trying to see what you guys more like to listen to.
• 20:24
  Like I said, it seems like you like more about the cars itself than
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  maybe like events like the Amelia going to Cavalino, stuff like that.
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  I don't know, but I'll try and do is get more specific about the cars.
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  I know when the first episodes I did, I did on 250 GTOs to all of them.
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  I'm going to get into more specific ones.
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  And I think not next episode, maybe the episode after that.
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  We're going to get into the one that was parked on a trailer out in the field.
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  Uh, and sat there for years and got sold to a shop class in Texas,
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  and which now resides in Texas.
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  Mr.
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  Uh, Ralph Lauren's collection and is worth God's amount of money.
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  Um, but anyways, that's coming up.
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  So I appreciate it.
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  Everyone take care and see you on the flip side.
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