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Hutton & Withrow: Derek Dooley on Georgia-Alabama, Tennessee’s QB Change & College Football’s Money Problem | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, last we checked, Chad, the line in the Kentucky-LSU game,
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  Speaker 1: it was LSU, was it 9.5?
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  Speaker 2: Is that right? Hard Rock bet?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's correct with LSU favored this week. I'll
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  Speaker 1: go and check that right now.
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  Speaker 3: It was the exact same as Ole Miss at Vandy,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it's 9.5 for both. The road team's
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  Speaker 3: favored by 9.5.
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  Speaker 2: Well done, guys. There it is, 9.5.
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  Speaker 1: A little steep is the way I look at that
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  Speaker 1: with Kentucky. Kentucky's bringing back the retro– Power K helmets
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  Speaker 1: this Saturday for the homecoming against the number 10 Tigers
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  Speaker 1: this week.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good look. Even perfect for Kroger Field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the Billy Jack Haskins Kentucky Wildcats look.
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  Speaker 3: from quarterback back in the day, which even Jacob Lutz,
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  Speaker 3: a resident Kentucky fan, probably doesn't remember him at quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great look. This is what Kentucky should go with.
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  Speaker 3: I like this. There are a number of jersey schemes,
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  Speaker 3: color schemes, helmets that teams never should have abandoned that
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  Speaker 3: they should go back to. I think this Kentucky look,
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  Speaker 3: as they call the Power K, looks great, looks better
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  Speaker 3: than their current uniforms. I think in the NFL, some
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  Speaker 3: teams that come to mind, the Philadelphia Eagles should always
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  Speaker 3: wear their Kelly Green jerseys. Going back to the Reggie White,
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  Speaker 3: Buddy Ryan, Eagles days, looks way better. I think the
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  Speaker 3: Denver Broncos older uniforms look better. I think anybody who
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  Speaker 3: went to the darker blues or darker colors or darker
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  Speaker 3: greens and away from their original colors looks worse than before.
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  Speaker 3: The Seattle Seahawks are a great example. Their throwback uniforms
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  Speaker 3: better than their current uniforms. Tampa Bay Buccaneers throwbacks better.
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  Speaker 3: This throwback, to me, is superior than the current Kentucky helmet.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: The white helmet looks clean. The white helmet with the
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  Speaker 3: blue K.
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  Speaker 1: Think about Will Stein, because I believe his father played
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  Speaker 1: for Kentucky during this era with just the power K
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  Speaker 1: on the helmet. It would have been in the 80s.
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  Speaker 1: How cool that's got to be for him to see that.
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  Speaker 1: Just based on the fact that he's now the head coach,
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  Speaker 1: And it brings back the childhood memories. Bones Fossil recently
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  Speaker 1: went back to New York to face the Giants as
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  Speaker 1: the Titans special teams coach. He's done that several times,
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  Speaker 1: but he was like the ball boy. He would help
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  Speaker 1: warm up the quarterbacks pregame for the Giants when his
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  Speaker 1: father was there.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool stuff, man.
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  Speaker 1: The teams I was growing up with, the Braves and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff, and just knowing if you went back
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  Speaker 1: to the old school Tennessee jerseys, you got the old school,
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  Speaker 1: the Patino Kentucky basketball uniforms. If you watch that and
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  Speaker 1: you're a fan of Kentucky and you go and you
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  Speaker 1: see that, that's got to be pretty cool if you're
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  Speaker 1: then involved with the program.
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  Speaker 2: So well done by Will Scott.
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  Speaker 3: I hate those Patino Kentucky, well at least the second one.
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  Speaker 2: The denim ones?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the denim ones are terrible. It was 96 or 98.
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  Speaker 3: So 96 they won it with Patino, 98 they won
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  Speaker 3: it with Tubby.
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  Speaker 2: You're like the Jamal Mashburn era.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like that version of it. I like
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  Speaker 3: anything that's a little older. But, yeah, that white helmet
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  Speaker 3: with the blue Power K looks terrific. So, Hutton, there
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  Speaker 3: is a tie in here. Yeah, that's a good look.
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  Speaker 3: I like a little more blue. I like that they
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  Speaker 3: have the blue pants, I think, on the uniform they're
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  Speaker 3: wearing this weekend. That's a little too much white in
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  Speaker 3: the uniform for Kentucky.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, is that Jack Lambert they're playing against there?
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  Speaker 3: Look at the linebacker that they're playing. The Pittsburgh Steelers
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  Speaker 3: they're playing.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that's Will's dad. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And that's Vanderbilt they're playing. I think I see a
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  Speaker 3: star V on that. But it almost looks like the
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers that the Kentucky Wildcats are playing in that game.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like a guy that's playing for Canyon County.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, there's a tie-in here to a question I have.
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  Speaker 3: Kentucky Wildcats. Could they be the Tampa Bay Rays of
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  Speaker 3: college football? Because here's what we have in Major League
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  Speaker 3: Baseball right now. We have the Tampa Bay Rays up
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  Speaker 3: two games to none, going to New York, going to
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  Speaker 3: the Bronx. to try to eliminate the New York Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: The New York Yankees payroll is $ 301 million. The Tampa
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  Speaker 3: Bay Rays payroll is $ 89 million. They are outspending the
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  Speaker 3: Rays by 3x plus, even more than 3x, when you
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  Speaker 3: look at their payroll compared to the Tampa Bay Rays.
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  Speaker 3: Could we even have this in college football right now?
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  Speaker 3: And I know we're talking parity and, boy, all these
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  Speaker 3: teams are good and everybody pays. And I do think
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  Speaker 3: at the highest level, SEC and Big Ten, it's led
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  Speaker 3: to some more parity where you're going to have more
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  Speaker 3: of that. But the parity does not necessarily mean, okay,
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  Speaker 3: teams that don't spin now are going to go win
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  Speaker 3: a college football playoff. Because everybody's going to point to Indiana. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Indiana was, has been, really never was in college football.
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  Speaker 3: And they got good because they made a great coaching hire.
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  Speaker 3: with Kurt Cignetti, but they also invested. Indiana spends as
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  Speaker 3: much as anybody on their football roster. It's not like
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  Speaker 3: they're the Tampa Bay Rays spending less than three times
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  Speaker 3: less than what the New York Yankees are spending and
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  Speaker 3: still beating them. The Rays beat the Yankees in the
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  Speaker 3: AL East throughout the year to win the division. Now
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  Speaker 3: they're beating them in the playoffs. Hutton, could we even
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  Speaker 3: replicate this in college football? And could a team like
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  Speaker 3: Kentucky with Will Stein, with an inventive offense that can
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  Speaker 3: get things done that way, could they spin to a
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  Speaker 3: lesser degree and still become nationally relevant for college football?
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  Speaker 3: Playoff berths for national championships, all that. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: the answer to it, the way college football is structured
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think right now you can. Not right now.
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  Speaker 1: I think the answer will be in the future, I
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  Speaker 1: think potentially.
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  Speaker 2: Potentially.
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  Speaker 1: As you go to the Power Conference and you start...
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  Speaker 1: If you start paying players to come in at a
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  Speaker 1: low overall roster number, Chad, like a low salary cap number,
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  Speaker 1: if there's a minimum and you're spending the minimum, but
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  Speaker 1: you're recruiting good players into your team that year and
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  Speaker 1: you're facing the top teams, top talent with good coaching
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  Speaker 1: can develop into a winning program. Now, are you going
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  Speaker 1: to lose those players after that?
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  Speaker 2: Probably. But just.
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  Speaker 1: the low payroll versus high payroll. If you're, if there's
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  Speaker 1: a floor and you're meeting the floor, uh, I think
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  Speaker 1: you could on a one, any given year.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But like when a title that's, that's tough, man, in this,
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  Speaker 1: in this college football era, that is tough because you
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  Speaker 1: could be bad and spend like Texas tech spins and
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  Speaker 1: they make it, you know, like, uh, it, it.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to believe.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I'm talking about getting outspent. Let's say those $ 40
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  Speaker 3: million to $ 50 million rosters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 3: LSU and those. I'm talking about someone spending $ 10 million,
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  Speaker 3: $ 15 million on their roster and competing with the LSUs
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  Speaker 3: of the world or the Ohio States of the world
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  Speaker 3: to win a college football playoff just because they're so
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  Speaker 3: good at evaluation and they're so good in coaching that
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  Speaker 3: they can get players that fit their system and win
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  Speaker 3: at the highest level. Jason Kelly in the YouTube chat says,
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  Speaker 3: The Yankees spend the most every year, and they only
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  Speaker 3: have one title in the last 25. It's true they
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  Speaker 3: spend a lot. They don't spend the most. They're actually third.
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  Speaker 3: The Mets spent more, who were terrible this year, and
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers spend more by $ 22 million than the Yankees
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  Speaker 3: for this season. And the Dodgers are probably about to
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  Speaker 3: win their third straight World Series. So it's smart spending also,
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  Speaker 3: and it's spending in the right places that gets the
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  Speaker 3: job done.
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  Speaker 2: It's the style of play, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not even saying it's guaranteeing you winning
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  Speaker 3: titles when you spend a ton. I'm saying, can you
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  Speaker 3: have a Tampa Bay Rays that's so good in their
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  Speaker 3: farm system, so good in their evaluations, so good with fits,
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  Speaker 3: that they can spend $ 89 million compared to the Yankees,
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  Speaker 3: $ 301 million, and not only beat them in a best-of-five
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  Speaker 3: game series, which they're likely to do, but also beat
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  Speaker 3: them throughout the course of 162 games over the regular
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  Speaker 3: season and win a division. I don't know that it's possible.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love for people in the YouTube chat to give
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  Speaker 3: me examples of of where you think this could happen
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  Speaker 3: if you see a coach, a program where that could
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  Speaker 3: make this work. I'm throwing Kentucky out there as a
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  Speaker 3: possibility because they're never going to spend as much as
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  Speaker 3: they do in basketball in terms of within the sport,
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  Speaker 3: outspending other people. They're not going to spend as much
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  Speaker 3: as some of the football powers in the SEC, so
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  Speaker 3: could they possibly do that with a great coach like
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  Speaker 3: Will Stein?
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  Speaker 1: Making the playoff is the key part of it, too. Like,
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  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt would be a decent example because they're spending, but
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  Speaker 1: they're not spending nearly as much as what those other
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  Speaker 1: teams were, but they didn't make the playoff, but they
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  Speaker 1: had a historic year. But Ole Miss, Ole Miss was
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  Speaker 1: spending certainly, you know, like a historic year. Like I,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know that you can in this era, Chad, like,
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  Speaker 1: and now if you want to go down a notch
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  Speaker 1: and say like the James Madison's of the world, Are
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  Speaker 1: always competing for that spot just based on the way
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  Speaker 1: the structure is to get into the playoff.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Like Navy comes to mind for me with just a
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  Speaker 1: style of play. It's just so different that you can
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  Speaker 1: recruit to that style and not have to spend as much.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But to actually be in the conference and compete at
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  Speaker 1: the level that we're talking about with the Kentucky, that's difficult.
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  Speaker 1: It would be Arkansas, Mississippi State era level two. On
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  Speaker 1: a week-to-week basis, I'm not so sure about that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know even mentioning the AP poll pisses people off,
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  Speaker 3: but let's go to the AP poll. To show you
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  Speaker 3: examples of where the money is being spent.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Top ten. All right. Stop me, Hutton, when you hear
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  Speaker 3: a program that you think is not spending a ton
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  Speaker 3: of money on the roster. Okay? Let's go right through it. Texas, Georgia,
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame, Miami, Ohio State, Alabama, Indiana, BYU. Let's hold
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  Speaker 3: there for a second because we've got people in the
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  Speaker 3: chat saying, could BYU be that type of program that
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  Speaker 3: could do it? Yes. I'd like to see numbers, though,
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  Speaker 3: on BYU's roster. I bet they're spending a ton. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think they're spending at a Tampa Bay Rays level.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're spending $ 10 or $ 15 million on
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  Speaker 3: their roster. It's probably more like $ 20 to $ 30 million
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  Speaker 3: they're even spending, which is not as much as LSU
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  Speaker 3: or Georgia or Texas. But they're still spending a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money at BYU, and they're a top-ten team. Ole
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  Speaker 3: Miss is going to spend. LSU is 10th. Texas Tech
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  Speaker 3: and Cody Campbell and the oil money coming through there.
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  Speaker 3: Utah is interesting. To me also, if you're looking for
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  Speaker 3: that possible Tampa Bay Rays of college football.
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  Speaker 2: And the longevity there we just saw, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you go from Kyle Whittingham to an assistant who's
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  Speaker 3: got that thing rolling again. Could that be an identity-type
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  Speaker 3: program where you don't have to spend quite as much
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  Speaker 3: and you could compete for a national title? They don't
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  Speaker 3: compete for national titles, though, at Utah, or really playoff
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  Speaker 3: spots currently in the Big 12. So I don't know. Oregon,
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  Speaker 3: Missouri would be interesting to look at. Tennessee at 15%.
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  Speaker 3: Florida at 16, Mississippi State, don't think so. Oklahoma State,
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  Speaker 3: T-Bone Pickens isn't around anymore, and they're not going to
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  Speaker 3: spend as much as anyone. It's hard to find. UCLA,
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  Speaker 3: maybe being in their market with a good coach in
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  Speaker 3: Bob Chesney, could they spend less and still compete with
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  Speaker 3: some of the big boys?
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  Speaker 2: Hard to see it.
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  Speaker 3: It's tough to find. In Major League Baseball, you have
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  Speaker 3: those stories every year. You have a Tampa Bay Rays.
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  Speaker 3: You have someone. who's in the playoffs, they're in the
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  Speaker 3: final four of their league, they're doing something with less,
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  Speaker 3: with a payroll than other teams. You don't have that
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  Speaker 3: in football. Maybe it's the manpower associated and how many
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  Speaker 3: bodies you have to be, the depth you have to
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  Speaker 3: have to compete at that level to go compete for
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  Speaker 3: a national title. But Hutton, if somebody gives the right
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  Speaker 3: answer or something I haven't even thought about, I'd love
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  Speaker 3: to see it. I just don't think there's an easy
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  Speaker 3: answer to this about how you could replicate that in
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  Speaker 3: college football.
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  Speaker 1: We can talk about this with Coach Derek Dooley in
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  Speaker 1: just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Can't wait for that. He's about to join us.
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  Speaker 1: Plus, last time he joined us, he heard about Clay
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  Speaker 1: Coach Dooley joins us here on Hutton and Withrow, presented
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  Speaker 1: by Hard Rock. Coach, Chad's got the Hard Rock coffee
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  Speaker 1: right in front of him. I'm curious, would you as well?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a coffee guy?
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  Speaker 5: You know, every time I get on with you guys,
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  Speaker 5: I find out another thing in common that Clay and
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  Speaker 5: I have. You know, of course, we have the law background.
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  Speaker 5: We both love sports. We both love politics. We both
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  Speaker 5: love a good haircut. nice hairstyle. And now I'm learning
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  Speaker 5: we both love coffee. And so Clay's just done a
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  Speaker 5: better job of monetizing all his loves than I have.
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  Speaker 5: But if I was him, I would open that thing
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  Speaker 5: up in Texas. I mean, nobody owes Davy Crockett more
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  Speaker 2: I believe this is sold at the Alamo. Not kidding.
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  Speaker 2: It should be.
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  Speaker 5: And I look forward to getting my first cup. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm all in for the Crockett coffee.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to make that happen, Coach. Speaking of monetization,
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  Speaker 3: We just talked about this, the monetization of college football
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  Speaker 3: and what we see in Major League Baseball with the
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  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Rays who can somehow go beat the New
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  Speaker 3: York Yankees, even getting outspent 3X by the Yankees. Is
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  Speaker 3: this even possible in college football where over the course
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  Speaker 3: of an entire season, you could have a team that
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  Speaker 3: spends $ 10 to $ 15 million on their roster compete with
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  Speaker 3: those that spend $ 35 to $ 50 million on their roster?
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  Speaker 3: Is it possible? I don't think it is.
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  Speaker 5: I'd love to see the guy that pulls it off.
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  Speaker 5: And if he does, it's a one-time outlier. But over time,
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  Speaker 5: football just requires so many pieces, so much depth, lines
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  Speaker 5: of scrimmage, quarterbacks, runners, secondary. And that requires a lot
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  Speaker 5: of resources to go buy them. And you look at
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: these kids nowadays, I mean, are you really going to
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: go somewhere that's going to pay.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: You $ 400, 000.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: As opposed to somebody that's going to pay you $ 1. 2
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: million at that age. I don't see it happening. And,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: you know, I think the best example is all you
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: got to do is look at the group of six
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: right now. They don't have any money and they can't compete.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: And now I think your question is, can you be
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: a little more streamlined? And I think that's a fair question.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: You know, if you look right now, I think of
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: all the big boys, Georgia probably has the lower number
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: roster payment of a lot of these other big boys.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: So there is a point where you can, you know,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: the most money doesn't always win. So we got to
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: acknowledge that because you've got to pick the right players.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: And so the ones that do the best job of
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: sort of identifying what they want, staying disciplined to the process,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: they're going to win over the long haul.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: It's no different than in the NFL.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Could you do this with a different style, like with
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: a system that's a little bit unconventional, something you have
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to prepare for on a weekly basis that's outside the box?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Would that be more likely to work than not?
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: I would certainly, if I was in that situation, try
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: something different if your hands are tied. But, you know,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Nick used to always say, and he stole the line
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: from Parcells, there's a reason that they have weight classifications
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: in boxing. Because the big guy always beats the shit
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: out of the little guy. And so the better players
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: always tend to beat the worst players. And so I
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: wish those guys luck. I would love to give it
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: a shot. But I'd rather have a nice bankroll for
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: me to pick the right players.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: What is the coach's involvement in the logistics of moving
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: a football game due to weather?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: How crazy is it? What's the communication like? How distracting
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: It's zero involvement.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: You know, it's the athletic directors, the presidents and the
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: commissioner are the ones that are being involved here. And
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I think the important thing for the coach.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Is not to be distracted.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: And I'm sure Kirby's pulling his hair out right now
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: because it's creating a distraction that they don't need. You
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: don't need to be sitting there when you're working on
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: third downs on a Wednesday and the players are wondering
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: if they're going.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: To play or not.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: You know, we kind of had this, you know, I
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: reflect back to 9-11, a much different situation. But I
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: remember it was on a Tuesday of Auburn week. We
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: were at LSU. And then all the week, are we playing?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Are we playing?
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: I'm glad we didn't play because it was a real distraction.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Of course, I don't want to compare this event to 9-11.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Please don't, you know, get me in trouble for that.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: But I suspect in the next 24 hours, they'll make
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: a decision. But it's certainly going to impact the game
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: one way or the other.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: If you are Kirby smart, let's say in this situation,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: the solution that you want is to move this game
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: and make sure it's played on Saturday, right? Just from,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: and I know everybody wants everybody to be safe and
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: all that as a given, but if you're preparing as
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: a coach, you don't want your schedule to get affected
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: for the next game and the next week, right? Like
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the hope is that you play it Saturday somewhere.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, Saturday to me, I mean, if you're a coach,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: you want to just go play the damn game. I mean,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: you're prepped all week.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: You're ready.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: It doesn't impact you down the line. And, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: we had a situation when I was at SMU back
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: in 1999, I think it was. And we were at
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: San Jose State at a night game, and the transformer
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: literally blew up, okay?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: And, you know, this is 1999 whack. So we don't
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: have the resources for all these guys coming in to,
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: And we looked at each other like, what do we
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: do now? And it was the last game of the year.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: But they had one option was to play it the
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: next day on Sunday. And for some reason, everybody agreed,
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: just cancel the game and we never played it. But,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: you know, that's another option that nobody's really talked about
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: is you could maybe go one day after. And if
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: you remember, they did that in the Sugar Bowl when
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: the terrorist attack came. That was the solution. tarp the field,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: let the thing run through still. But there's a lot
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: of options. I hope they play the game. I hope
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: the weather dies down. It just becomes kind of a rain,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: wet game so they can move on with the season.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: What do you think about the game itself, Coach, when
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you look at what Alabama has been able to do
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: offensively with Keelan Russell and Georgia has just been Georgia
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: throughout the year? I mean, it sounds crazy to say
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: that a team that as successful as them has kind
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of been boring to this point because of the way
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: they're beating people, the way we've come to expect those
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Georgia teams to beat people.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Well, if you remember about a month ago when I
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: was on, I told you guys the most underrated player
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: in college football is Gunnar Stockton, and he's really talented.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: He's good.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: He's not just a game manager. He's not just– and
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: I think people are now starting to see that. I've
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: noticed more in the national media recognizing how good he
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: is And I will tell you, knowing what you know now,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: after five weeks, if you said I can pick two
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks for my team, these are my first two picks.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: I've got to tell you, it's Gunner and Keely. Because
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: when you look at their numbers, they're insane how they're playing.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: And this young kid is just incredible. He's got a
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: great arsenal of receivers outside. Their defense has been a
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: disruptive kind of big little type style. They create a
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: big play, but they've given up some plays. If you
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: ask me ultimately who I'm going with, of course, you
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: know the answer already. I'm going to go with the dogs.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: But if you ask me why, to me, the number is,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: I think it's 15. Gunner has 15 more starts over Keelan.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: He's 17-3 as a starter. Keelan's 5-0. This is really
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: his first super primetime game. And listen, I'm not saying
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: he can't do it, but history tells me I'm going
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: with the more experienced quarterback. But Georgia's got to find
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: a way to affect him and get him to make
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: some mistakes, throw it to their guys, be a little
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: bit off. And that's going to be a big challenge
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: because Alabama has really looked unstoppable.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Stockton is so clutch.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: The throw last year at Tennessee comes to mind on
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the fourth down.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: The big moments, he's ready for the moment.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Over your career, Coach, which player comes to mind as
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: just the clutch guy?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Pro, college, whatever. Is there one guy that just stands
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: out to you?
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Well, there are so many.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Having coached nine years in the NFL, you see guys
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: who have that trait. And listen, I think clutch performance
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: is an underrated component. And clutch isn't just two minutes
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: to go in the game and win it. There are
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: these critical third downs in a game or a fourth
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: down And you just watch sort of how does he
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: look on that play relative to all his other plays.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: And I've always said that about Gunner.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: He's always played his best when his best is needed.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Go look at the fourth quarter or the second half
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: of last year.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Every time they were in tight games, he made throws
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: that you never saw in the first half. And so
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: he's got a real innate ability to find a way
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: to win football games. And I hope he can continue
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: it because I'm obviously one of his biggest fans.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Hey, speaking of quarterbacks, Josh Heupel made a change of
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: quarterback in-game this past weekend, and Faison Brandon, the star freshman,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: gets pulled out. George McIntyre comes in, and it really
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: salvages the game against Auburn, where Tennessee was really sputtering offensively.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: How difficult are those decisions from a coaching standpoint of
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: doing something that's right for the team in the moment
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: while also trying to manage and not lose the kid?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that's your starting quarterback that you still have a lot
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: of faith in for the future?
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: They're incredibly difficult.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: And you said it's because you don't know if it's
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: the right decision. That's what makes it so hard. You know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: of course, I went through this. You guys will remember
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: our first year at Tennessee. We were struggling and we
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: made a switch and it worked out.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I know this.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, Hypes, a quarterback, he's been around quarterbacks all
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: the time. The first thing you say is, well, Tennessee
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: won the game. So he had an instinct that says,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I got to do something to win this football game.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: And to his credit, he did it. Now, I will also,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: you don't want to get into this day trading quarterback.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: So it's always a challenge. But here's what I'll say
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: about their quarterback.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: He's young.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: He's a true freshman, man. And I know Hype's going
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: to do a great job of loving on him, teaching
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: him that, look, this is a process. He's going to
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: be a star player. And we got to work our
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: way through this process. Just look, you know, we've been
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: talking about Gunner. Gunner had the luxury of sitting on
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the bench, you know, behind Carson Beck.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: You're learning, you're, you know, you're growing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: You're not going out there because there's that old saying
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: in coaching, sometimes a year late is better than a
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: day early when you're talking about when to play a quarterback.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: But I know this, this isn't the last time you've
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: seen him. I know Height believes in him. He gave
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: up 10 sacks against Texas. He's got to learn not
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: to do that. He was probably hobbled a little bit.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: That was affecting him. And so Haidt just used his
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: instincts and made the right decision. The hard part now
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: is how do you manage it? Because if George starts
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: having success, it gets harder and harder to put the
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: other guy back in. But my guess is they know
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: he's our guy for the future. And in this world
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: of NIL and free agency, he's going to have to
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: do a great job of convincing them that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: A NFL story out there. NFL refs gone wild this
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: past weekend with a couple of incidents and guys getting
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: suspended for multiple games. Hutton was saying, who's a sideline
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: reporter in the NFL for a while, that it's not
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: uncommon to see refs go back at a coach or
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: a player and curse at them the way that we saw.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Did you feel like anything that was done in those games,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: the incidents you saw, were different than things you've seen
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: in the past?
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I don't have any lost love with
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: officials over my years. I mean, I've been a part
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: of some games. My issue with officials is when they
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: make it about them. And too many of them do.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, you look now, it's like the best officiated
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: games to me are when you don't even notice them.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: They're out there in their tight shirts now.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: They want to have a long delay on call penalties
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: at critical moments. It's about the kids. But here's what
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you, Chad, and I believe this. Now, you're
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: going to think I'm crazy. But the way we can
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: get a lot of this resolved is we need more
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: female officials.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Hear me out, okay?
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Because everybody's like, what are you out of your mind?
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: When I was in the NFL, as you said, there
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: is a lot of jawing back and forth with that
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: line judge and the coach. It can get ugly. The
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: testosterone's building on both of them, okay? We had this official, Sarah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: who is still in the NFL and, you know, she's
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: former athlete, you know, looks great. I don't mean that
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: in a sexist way at all, but she doesn't hide
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: the fact that she's a female in a, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: kind of a man's world. And I'm watching in the
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: first half, our coach yelling, screaming at this line judge
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: when the second half they switch sidelines.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Flag comes out. He goes, hey, Sarah, what'd you see?
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: And she goes, well, I saw you. Oh, okay, good call.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: And I'm just like, holy smut, this is unbelievable. You
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: talk about taming and quieting things down. She didn't make
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: it about her. She has this calming effect on a coach.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: I actually believe, and it convinced me right there, we
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: should have more officials that are females working that sideline. Obviously,
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: they got to be very qualified. They got to be able,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: athletic to move around, not get hurt. But it really
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: struck me. But there is so much, you know, testosterone
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: and vitriol because it's an emotional game. And so sometimes
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: the officials reach a point they've probably had enough of
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: the barking and they bark back. And it just so
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: happens now in this day of cameras, everything is highlighted. And,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm glad the NFL came down, did a
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: little discipline. But now the officials unions, you know, fighting back.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: They think it's unfair.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: The thing I pointed out was like it's not unusual
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: because it's just people don't see it, right? It's like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: how the sausage is made. It's how the officials will
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: talk back to the coaches while watching a play. Like
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: they're locked in and then they're still jawing with them
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: with the whistle in. It's not uncommon. It's just we
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: don't see it on TV.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Of complaining, you know, head coaches do.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: And most of the time the guy they're complaining to
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: has nothing to do with the call or what went on.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Somewhere across the field. But what you're trying to do
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: is get an answer.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: And, you know, a lot of those guys who are
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: line judges, they know how to manage these coaches.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: They can keep it calm.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: They don't escalate. And I think that's the important thing
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: for the official. I think if you talk to any
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: good officials, they know, you know, these guys jobs are
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: at stake and there's a lot of emotion and things
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: get said in the heat of the moment that they
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: probably look back and wish they did. The coach certainly
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: shouldn't reach that point, but I think a good official
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: is able to diffuse it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: He doesn't escalate it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Coach, I mentioned earlier in the week, I'm bummed that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out at South Carolina right now because
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Beavers stayed, players came back.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: It's unusual to see that. I liked seeing that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: How difficult is it to keep the ball from just
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: rolling off course whenever you have some things slide to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: get things back on track, not lose a locker room?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: A & M' s going through a season right now of struggling.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: How do you get it to where it's just at
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: least going in the right direction?
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, it's hard, man. And it's I'm
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: watching Shane now.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: And it just I reflect back to 2012. You know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: my third year, you're on the hot seat. And we
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: were playing great football offensively and special teams, terrible on defense.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: And every game was exciting. And it was going down
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: to the wire and we would lose. And then we
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: would put up this great and then lose. And it
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: just starts, you know, piling on. He's dead man walking.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: He's fired.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: And as much as you talk to your team to
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: try to keep them insulated from all that, what's hard
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: is you think about you have your players four hours
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: a day. So there's 20 other hours where they're not
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: with you and they're getting fed from either social media
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: or their parents or their friends, really trashing the coach.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: And so Shane's got an incredibly difficult job ahead of him.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: At some point, you know, what happened to us, it
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: was really the Vandy game down at the very end
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: is when you saw, man, we, you know, you lose.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Them and it's a tough thing. So I hurt for him. But,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: you know, it's part of coaching, man.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a results business and you got to
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: do everything you can to get your players to go
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: play their best. But I think, you know, I really
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: didn't have as hard a time of getting them to
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: show up and compete. But it's that extra belief that
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: you're going to win. That's, you know, and that's what
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: they're missing. They're out there competing, playing good football, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: it's making that last play, making the last catch. And
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: that comes from a real belief and synergy with the
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: team has that it's just hard to get.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, real quick.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Clay had it earlier in the week, too, about teams
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: being pissed off about the kickoff times with ESPN. Would
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you be with some of the primetime games being earlier
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: in the day?
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it was kind of weird to me.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: I don't really know much about it, you know, but
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: I would certainly be upset in the SEC if I
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: started seeing, you know, don't get me started on Notre
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Dame and that crowd.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: So I'm a homer like Trey with the SEC. I mean,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: like Clay with the SEC.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: But, you know, those are high-level decisions, you know, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: as a coach, you just got to stay focused and
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: getting your team ready to play. But, you know, LSU
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: has had a lot of advantages playing these night games,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: and everybody around the league has complained about it. So
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are happy they're going
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: to be teeing it off early in Baton Rouge.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Well, and it's also, Coach, it's interesting because, and Clay
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: said it, you know, Tennessee has ticked off. that they
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: were promised, they thought the Texas game was going to
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: be at night, and they said, well, don't worry about that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: We're going to do it at 11 a.m. The Alabama
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: game will definitely be at night. Now that's not at night,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: and it's going head-to-head with Georgia and Auburn at 2.30
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: in the afternoon. But also I'm thinking when they're reached
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: for comment, there is no comment.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Well, why?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Because they're accepting those checks from ESPN and ABC and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the Disney Corporation, so there's not much you can say
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: when you take the money and they dictate when you play.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. And, uh, you take the check, they're
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: in charge. They set the schedule. You agreed to it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: And if you want to change, you got to wait
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: until the next negotiation round and you can get whatever
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: you want, uh, or walk away.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: A lot of, uh, reasonably drunk fans will be at
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: this game, uh, because of the lemonade kickoff.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: That's for sure.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: The, the, the drunk fan standard. Uh, I still see
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: it every week on replay. Um, But, you know, who
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: knows if we'll ever get there. But it goes back
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: to the officials trying to take over the game and
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: make it about them.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: So, I don't know. I'm looking forward. The season's really
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: getting fun right now, guys.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: This is when it gets good.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: You start getting a feel for who the good teams
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: are and who's got a chance to jump in.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: So, these games are going to get more and more exciting.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Hey, I wasn't even drunk. I still can't tell if
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: that Virginia Tech kicker made that kick or not on
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Friday night against Pittsburgh. I mean, I've watched that thing
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: from every angle, Coach. I can't tell.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Listen, man, at my age, I end up hurting for
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: the coaches and the players more than I do celebrating
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: for the guys that win. Because I know how it
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: feels on the other side, man. That was a tough
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: one to swallow.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, we always enjoy these conversations. Let's keep this up.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: But we appreciate your visit for sure, man.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, guys. Appreciate what you do.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: There's Coach Derek Dooley. Love getting his perspective.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And that's one I've never thought about, more female officials
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: being the answer to some of the shouting and testosterone
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: back and forth between officials and coaches. Interesting perspective from
• 35:08
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• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Chad, so Awful Announcing had a piece on Caitlin Clark
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: that they were referring to in her appearance on game day?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Yes. So Charlotte Wilder is the host of a show
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: called The Sports Gossip Show. I have never seen this show.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I do not watch this show. But Charlotte Wilder appears
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: to be someone who doesn't like Pat McAfee, okay, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: doesn't like Caitlin Clark fans. And there's been this big
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: issue with The Athletic writing a story that the Indiana
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Fever should trade Sophie Cunningham because she's so controversial, because
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: she thinks that men should stay out of women's sports, apparently.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of anger towards Kaitlyn Clark for
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: not being outspoken against people who allegedly attack other members
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: of the WNBA, right? There's this idea that Every time
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: someone goes to Indiana, the WNBA, they're threatened by the crowd.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: You've got Asia Wilson walking into the crowd to nearly
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: attack a fan because the fan pointed at her. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: they want Kaitlyn Clark to use her platform to speak
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: out against any of her fans that are racist, homophobic, transphobic,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: whatever they're deemed to be by Charlotte Wilder and listeners
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: of her show. That's what they want. What they don't
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: want is for her to appear on College Game Day
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: next to Pat McAfee, who's taking his shirt off to
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: start the segment and be a part of that after
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Pat McAfee, if you remember, famously referred to Caitlin Clark
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: as a white bitch at one point and then had
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: to come back and apologize. to Kaitlin Clark, which he
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: did personally. And he and Kaitlin Clark have been very
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: cool ever since. I would say in total, like, it's like...
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: The context of it is important, too. The context is important.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: It was like, you're a badass type thing where he
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: said that, but everybody's going to take that line and
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: run with that. But, yeah, Charlotte Wilder is questioning whether
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: or not Kaitlin Clark should be going on college game
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: day sitting next to Pat McAfee instead of speaking out
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: against her fans... that may be deemed to be a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: problem for other WNBA players. I think it's ridiculous. Whenever
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: we get to this referee game, you should be saying this.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: The assumption there is being made like anyone who's.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: On the side of, like the fan that she's talking
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: about is automatically assumed to be a Caitlin Clark fan.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Automatically in a category of a Caitlin Clark supporter.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Which is ridiculous.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Like, automatically assumed to be an Indiana Fever fan. Which, again, like,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: they're WNBA fans. You know, like, that's the thing, is like,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: they're supporting, just because they're an Indiana Fever fan doesn't
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: make them racist or homophobic or anything along those lines.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Just because they support the Indiana Fever and Caitlin Clark,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: which is ridiculous.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Well, and we need to We need to have a better–
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Karen Krause at Sporting State wrote a great piece about this,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: about let's have a conversation about safe spaces and about
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: feeling threatened or being safe or not. Let's have a
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: broader conversation about what is it about playing in Indiana
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: that makes the Las Vegas Aces feel so threatened when
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: there's been no big incident there? That's happened at a
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: game like this. They're acting like it's malice in the
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: palace every time they have to go suit up at
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: the field house in Indy to play a game. It's
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: just not. I don't I don't know where that's coming from.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: So where it's coming from is it's this. It's being
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: too much strong line. and on your phone, and in
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: your mentions. And look, I'm getting lit up in mentions
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: right now by a small segment of the Titans fan
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: base that's going to support Cam Ward no matter what.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Would that then cause me? I would sound like an
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: idiot if I came out and said, boy, Cam Ward
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: needs to speak out against his fans that are making
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: me feel bad. That are sending me mean things online.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: If someone threatens you online or a family member or
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: says something that crosses the pale so much, report them
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: to the authorities. If you don't want to report them
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: to the social media authorities, report them to the actual authorities.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: If you feel seriously threatened, someone's talking about knowing where
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: you live or knowing how to get to you or whatever,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: we need those people reported. It needs to be public.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I think when we live in a world of vague
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: accusations about, I feel threatened, this person says this, they
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: don't respect me because of who I choose to love.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: They don't respect me because of who I am. They
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: don't respect me because of the color of my skin.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: And because of that, I'm threatened. Well, then show the proof.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: And I want those people prosecuted. I don't need Caitlin
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Clark to go out of her way to condemn those people.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: They should be condemned by being arrested.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: You need to go after them. Asia Wilson or whoever else.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I mean this as an advocate for what you're saying. Well,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: if these things are truly happening, then go after the
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: people that are doing it instead of lumping Caitlin Clark
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: in with every racist in America. and acting like she
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: owes it to you and to the league and to
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: humanity to go use her platform to speak out against
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: her fans that might be making someone feel uncomfortable. I
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: think that's ridiculous.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Which is what should happen if people are sliding up
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: in the DMs of Cam Ward's sister and doing things
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: And when I say sides, everyone is on the same
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: side of that.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: That's totally ridiculous. And common sense. That's common sense there.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Going on college game day is, you know, sitting next
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to McAfee inside this is also just.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: She's also promoting her new shoe is the reason she
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: was on college game day. I mean, they made a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: spot for her where she promoted.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Her new shoe. You know what else she's promoting? The WNBA.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And also, call me an old fuddy-duddy again, like when
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I don't like the spots for other mommy. during football.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Isn't this a great example of how we can forgive
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and forget and move on and be cool with each other?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, Pat McAfee said something about her that everybody
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: was upset about that he called her about and apologized.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And now they're good friends. They both live in Indianapolis.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: She's gone on the show since then. They're totally cool.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: They're having fun together on set, picking college football games.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: She's coming in prepared to know the team's and pick
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the games. It's fun. Isn't that what we want? I
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: don't think that what we want for eternity is someone
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: said one thing that may have offended somebody, and now
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: these two hate each other for life. And you owe
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: it to everyone else that doesn't like this person. to
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: condemn this person forever and condemn your fan base that
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: may have said something mean to somebody online. Saying something
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: mean to somebody online and threatening someone, two different things.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: For those that are making someone legitimately feel threatened, I'm
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: saying this to every WNBA player who is claiming this,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: show us the proof. Show it to the authorities. I
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: want to see them condemned by getting legally prosecuted or
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: something happening to them for threatening you. But until that's
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: the case, I mean, I just asking Caitlin Clark to
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: white knight everything for you and expecting her to be
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: a certain way when she's not, I think is unfair
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: to her on either side. That would ask her to
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: advocate for something they want advocated on behalf. I think
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: it's ridiculous. And the Sophie Cunningham hate is beyond absurd
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: that people want her traded. She's not controversial at all
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: because she doesn't want boys playing girls sports. Come on.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's not controversial. She seems to be a
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: good teammate with her own team.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: And she's a good player. And people like to watch her.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: She's a great salesperson. She's a great pitch person.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 44:16
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  Speaker 1: Give me Georgia money line right here, plus 100.
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  Speaker 2: Spread's only one and a half anyway. It's basically a pick-em.
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking Georgia, especially with everything going on. Give me
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  Speaker 3: Well, and even if the weather models work out perfectly
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  Speaker 3: I like Georgia to go on the road and win
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: in a football game like that. I'm going to go Texas.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Eight and a half sounds like a lot of points
• 46:21
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• 46:24
  Speaker 3: John Mateer and Oklahoma have been on offense this year
• 46:26
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• 46:31
  Speaker 3: scores much more than 10 points in this football game
• 46:34
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• 46:37
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• 46:40
  Speaker 3: not been great. They're going to be good enough to
• 46:42
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• 46:48
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  Speaker 1: I've already played this as well. I like the start
• 46:52
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• 47:00
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, you know, I think thanks to that
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• 47:38
  Speaker 6: Ground game has been phenomenal.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: And let's be honest, Arkansas has been awful.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, I don't see any reason why Tennessee
• 47:45
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• 47:50
  Speaker 3: If I played that game, I'd probably bet the under first.
• 47:53
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• 48:00
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• 48:02
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• 48:05
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• 48:06
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• 48:50
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• 48:52
  Speaker 1: The rivalry, it's not– I mean, I think they have
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: combined Oklahoma the last two years to score, what, nine points?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: They scored like three or six in one of these games.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: There's been field goal offense for Oklahoma. Nothing has improved there.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting– I saw what Texas' defense is capable
• 49:11
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• 49:14
  Speaker 1: were able to do in a comeback win over Ohio State.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I like what I've seen from Texas. I don't like
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: what I've seen from Oklahoma.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I don't see a route for Oklahoma to suddenly light
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: up a scoreboard against this Texas defense. I'm with you, Hud.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I think if any defense is going to score, it's
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: going to be Texas. I think they win this game
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: going away. It's a great weekend of college football. Can't
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: wait to watch it, but I like what we're rolling
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  Speaker 3: with here. I feel a lot of times there's some
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: apprehension when I see this going for the bundle parlay
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: for us, but I really like what we're looking at
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: with all three of these picks.
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  Speaker 2: I'm rolling with the Braves, Chad, tonight.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Let's get it done. Let's force a game five. Let's
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: go back to L.A. Malley's on the hill tonight for
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: the Braves. Let's roll. Let's get it going. Let's Ronald
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Acuna get something going offensively. The Braves have not been
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: great on offense throughout these playoffs, especially Acuna. Let's get
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: it going tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We will.
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  Speaker 1: Fun show today. Back at it tomorrow morning. Every weekday morning,
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  Speaker 1: 8 to 10 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Eastern.
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  Speaker 1: It's Hutton and Withrow presented by Hard Rock Bet. A
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• 50:20
  Speaker 1: ahead right here at sportingstate.com.