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BRAWL GAME: Angels fight Braves; could 3 true outcomes doom offense? · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Blay Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo Territory. I
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  Speaker 1: am Mike di Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and
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  Speaker 1: host of the show, and we're joined by Mark Trumbo,
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  Speaker 1: the former Angel slugger and my regular co host. We
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  Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about in this today's episode.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about the upcoming series against Cincinnati Reds, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna break down the Angels offense, and we're gonna analyze
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  Speaker 1: a pretty interesting quote from Logan ho Hoppy, the Angels catcher.
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  Speaker 2: But first we're going to talk about fight night at
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  Speaker 2: the Big A Well.
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  Speaker 1: The brawl between Jorge Solaire and Rionaldo Lopez Tuesday night
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  Speaker 1: was a little slow in developing, but once it got going,
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  Speaker 1: it was quite the brew haha, with some wild punches
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  Speaker 1: being thrown and some even landing, And probably the highlight
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  Speaker 1: for me was manager of the Braves, manager Walt Weiss,
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  Speaker 1: who's probably Solar's size, tackling the Angels outfielder from behind. Mark,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about the way this fight started
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  Speaker 1: and the way it evolved. It didn't look like anything
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  Speaker 1: was gonna happen, then boom fists or flying.
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  Speaker 3: I was watching live and it seemed like as the
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  Speaker 3: game was just progressing as normal. Now, so there has
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  Speaker 3: gotten Lopez a lot. He has owned him so far
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  Speaker 3: in his career. He had already hit a home run
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  Speaker 3: that game. He had got drilled the second at bat
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  Speaker 3: and the third bat, uh you know, he sailed them
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  Speaker 3: right over his head and then there was the kind
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  Speaker 3: of clunky delay and Shannewell had got into second base
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  Speaker 3: and next thing, you know, Randazzo, uh you know, as
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  Speaker 3: he should is yelling and we you know, we kind
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  Speaker 3: of brawl. We have to fight punches and I you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there watching so there and that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people when back, you know, the hitter
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  Speaker 3: is John and you know, what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna do something. Well, he did something he had
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  Speaker 3: seen enough. And I think that they were briefly teammates.
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  Speaker 3: I know that there was a breakdown. I believe John
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  Speaker 3: Boyd did a breakdown h Celeroto exception to something that
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  Speaker 3: was said. It wasn't exactly clear. It seemed like something disrespectful,
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  Speaker 3: and you know that's this is pro sports. Due is
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  Speaker 3: it great? I don't know the thing about brawls, it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot, especially.
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  Speaker 4: The bullpen's running in. What are those guys doing?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I've seen, yeah, I've seen some that aren't
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  Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks and Dodgers.
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  Speaker 4: They had some of those.
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  Speaker 3: Bullpen guys were heavily in the mix there years ago,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what I can easily recall. I wasn't on
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  Speaker 3: the team, but I did hear about it a lot.
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  Speaker 3: But this was, you know, an example of a guy
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  Speaker 3: that had just had had enough and we had talked
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  Speaker 3: about Trout getting hit and eventually, you know, if a
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  Speaker 3: hit or feels like he's seen enough, that is what happens.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Seven game suspension. Lopez I believe appealed his and got
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  Speaker 3: five games. He's a starting pitcher, so yeah, it's essentially
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  Speaker 3: not much maybe a misstart much.
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  Speaker 4: Did did Celeira appeal his?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: He appealed it, and I don't think they've gotten a
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  Speaker 1: response as of this taping, which is on Thursday afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: But I would suspect he since the pitcher got his
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  Speaker 1: knockdown and he's really only get at once start pushed
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  Speaker 1: back by a day, maybe that Celeiro will probably get
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  Speaker 1: his push down to uh in the aggressor.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think maybe we'll see I don't fall
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  Speaker 3: to either of them. I know that there were a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people that talking about the ball in the
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  Speaker 3: hand and the that was weird that I didn't think.
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  Speaker 3: I think a punch, a close fist punch would probably
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  Speaker 3: do more damage than a kind of an open hand
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  Speaker 3: ball slap. And he had the what is it the
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  Speaker 3: c flap helmet or whatever to protect him. So I
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  Speaker 3: think about Walt Weiss, I will say, uh, Chipper Jones
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  Speaker 3: alluded to it. Walt Weiss is a black belt. I
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  Speaker 3: believe in take kwondo and he Jones have said that
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  Speaker 3: if there, you know, we'll he'll fold you up like
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  Speaker 3: a pretzel. I think one of the writers for The
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  Speaker 3: Braves maybe covered an incident that was behind this. David O'Brien,
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I want to make
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  Speaker 3: sure we get this right. But I think, hey, Walton, uh,
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  Speaker 3: a former player Josh Donaldson might have tussled a little
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  Speaker 3: bit too interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I saw it on X.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully it's not hogwashed, but I think it's correct. And
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  Speaker 3: wal Wise, uh, you know, I haven't seen him up
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  Speaker 3: close in a few years. He's pretty jacked. Those forums
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  Speaker 3: are business bro and that tackle.
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  Speaker 4: Could Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I saw some NFL fans saying, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a spot for him on our team, depending on
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  Speaker 3: how good that team is. But a tremendous form in
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  Speaker 3: the tackle. Hopefully everyone's all right, so they're looked like, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: no no issues there. But he is going to have
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  Speaker 3: to serve a suspension, so they'll they'll need to figure
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  Speaker 3: out who will fill in. And there's some some likely suspects,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, we'll get through this.
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  Speaker 1: This early in the season. Kind of fight like that
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  Speaker 1: maybe infuse the clubhouse with energy and does it send
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  Speaker 1: any kind of message to the rest of the team, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe a little. This one was so out of the blue.
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  Speaker 3: Had it been a team that you know, a little
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  Speaker 3: more history, a little more you know, recent rivalry, I
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  Speaker 3: think maybe a lot more. And I don't know, it
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  Speaker 3: seemed like I think ideally, like like you cover hockey
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  Speaker 3: as well, I don't see a whole lot of other
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  Speaker 3: you know, fight isn't a fight. I mean it's one
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  Speaker 3: on one and usually they asked you want to go,
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  Speaker 3: how does that work?
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  Speaker 4: If you could briefly just talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it would be great in baseball if
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  Speaker 3: it was a little more similar to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I covered a Ducks game last week and there
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  Speaker 1: was a big history between the teams. I guess one
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  Speaker 1: of the Ducks defenders had taken knee kept one of
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  Speaker 1: the Maple Leaf guys, and they put the Ducks defender
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  Speaker 1: into the starting lineup, which he doesn't usually do, and
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  Speaker 1: sevens literally when the puck dropped, they dropped the gloves
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  Speaker 1: and they went at it. And you know, that's how
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  Speaker 1: they sort of settle things in hockey. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: things in baseball are as premeditated. Maybe sometimes they are,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, well, you know, this whole thing got us
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  Speaker 1: to thinking, like, what's the best fights we've ever seen?
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of them are really kind of ridiculous,
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  Speaker 1: but there have been a few fights that were legit. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: what's the best fight you ever saw? Or maybe we're
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  Speaker 1: involved in mark.
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  Speaker 3: The one that that comes to mind would would be Machado.
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  Speaker 3: Manny took exception to getting drilled by your Donna Ventura
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  Speaker 3: of the Royals. Unfortunately, your Donald's no longer with us,
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  Speaker 3: but he, uh he was. It was in the cards.
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  Speaker 3: I vividly remember bucksho Walter warning Manny before he went
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  Speaker 3: up to the plate and I was hitting behind him that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, keep your head.
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  Speaker 4: He was. I think he was pleading with him. He
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  Speaker 4: knew what was coming.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody knew what was most likely com in Ventura was
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  Speaker 3: was a guy that threw inside a lot and probably
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  Speaker 3: sometimes on purpose, and he drilled him, and Manny was
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  Speaker 3: you know, it was a time and part of it too.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of a macho thing, but sometimes you gotta go.
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  Speaker 3: I never charged the mound. I don't feel like I
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  Speaker 3: sometimes the batter instigates as well. I didn't pimp anything.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't throw, you know, try and rub in anybody's face.
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  Speaker 3: So I think I got maybe a little bit different
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  Speaker 3: level of respect in that regard. You know, I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: trying to show anyone up. But some guys do enjoy celebrating,
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes pitchers don't like that, and you know, they
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  Speaker 3: might buzz your tower or put one in your ribs.
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  Speaker 3: So sometimes it it there's not a lot of sometimes
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  Speaker 3: you plan it. Sometimes it's just the emotions take over.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this is a alpha male sport and I
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  Speaker 3: just you know, of it is just so ridiculous and
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  Speaker 3: most guys. One thing I noticed was there was a
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  Speaker 3: kind of a decent amount of bro hugs and other
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  Speaker 3: things kind of in the periphery, So that probably was
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  Speaker 3: the biggest clue that this wasn't you know, some heated deal.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually in Port Saint Lucie, Florida, in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and three for the great Mike Piazza Germo Motive Brawl,
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  Speaker 1: after which Piazza, who was then the New York Mets catcher,
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  Speaker 1: was so pissed off he's actually stormed into the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: clubhouse screaming, where's Moda?
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  Speaker 2: Where's Moda?
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  Speaker 1: And I was in the clubhouse when he got in there,
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  Speaker 1: and oh man, that was tense. Fortunately they had already
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  Speaker 1: whisked Mota off back to Vero Beach by that time.
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  Speaker 1: That was pretty ugly. But probably the best brawl I
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  Speaker 1: saw in person was between the Angels and Royals in
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City on June third, nineteen ninety eight. So this
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  Speaker 1: was just one of those games. There were I think
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  Speaker 1: there were two bench clearing incidents, and the second one.
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  Speaker 2: There was another beanball.
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  Speaker 1: The benches emptied, and it was kind of like that
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  Speaker 1: regular fight you talk about, but right in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the sort of these guys just sort of you know,
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  Speaker 1: scrumming up by the backstop. This infielder from the Royals
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  Speaker 1: named Felix Martinez sucker punched from the side an Angels
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  Speaker 1: infielder named Frank Bullock right in the mouth, and after
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  Speaker 1: that it was just a melee for like fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 1: They went at it this gamers. These fights resulted and
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  Speaker 1: had to write this down twelve Jackson's twelve ejections, eleven suspensions.
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  Speaker 1: And Kaufman Stadium, as you know, it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: rare stadiums where the dug the clubhouses are right across
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  Speaker 1: the hall from each other, and there's a foyer in
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  Speaker 1: between the clubhouses. And they had to station six police
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  Speaker 1: officers down on that foyer after the game so players
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't cross into the other clubhouse. And I'll never forget
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  Speaker 1: this Phil Nevin quote after the game. He said of
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  Speaker 1: Felix Martinez that dot dot should be kicked out of baseball.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm catching and he steps into the batter's box,
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  Speaker 1: I may just drop him and there may not be
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  Speaker 1: one of his teammates backing him up. And Phil Neman
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  Speaker 1: had already he was catching for the Angels, and that
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  Speaker 1: night he had already been ejected, and he said, if
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  Speaker 1: I would have seen that live, I would have ran
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  Speaker 1: out of the field naked and killed him. He's a
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  Speaker 1: disgrace to baseball. And you can tell him. Tell that
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  Speaker 1: to him. If he has a problem with that, you
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  Speaker 1: tell him to come see me. So there are times
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  Speaker 1: when I know there was a lot of tension that
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  Speaker 1: night in Kaufman Stadium, and that's a night.
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  Speaker 4: Is that the same Phil Nevian, Dame.
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  Speaker 1: Phil Nevin, who is the angel manager former cal State quoting.
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  Speaker 2: He did in nineteen ninety eight.
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  Speaker 1: They converted him to catch her because it's the best
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  Speaker 1: place to get his bat.
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  Speaker 2: In the lineup.
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  Speaker 1: They had a young guy at third base named Troy
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  Speaker 1: Gloss and I believe they had just signed a first
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  Speaker 1: baseman name move on.
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  Speaker 2: So that was Phil Nevian doing what he could for
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  Speaker 2: the team.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Halo Territory with Mike D. Givanna and
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  Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo. While the Angels open a three game series
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  Speaker 1: in Cincinnati Friday night before traveling to New York for
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: a four game set in Yankee Stadium. The Reds go
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  Speaker 1: into the series eight and four and tied with Milwaukee
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  Speaker 1: in for the first place in the NLS. Mark, what
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  Speaker 1: are your impressions in these Reds?
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  Speaker 2: So far?
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  Speaker 3: They got some very talented players. They seem to be
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: one of those teams that not the biggest payroll, but
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: good minor league system, and so far off to a
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  Speaker 3: very good start. Elie Da la Cruz, you know that
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: you can do it all as sixty six sixty seven,
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  Speaker 3: you know, arm strength, off the sharts. I wouldn't want
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  Speaker 3: to play first base with him, you know. I mean
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  Speaker 3: the ball across, huge power, stolen bases, just a five
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  Speaker 3: tool stud. They're pitchers. They have some really hard throwers.
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  Speaker 3: They have former Angel Rock Burke pitching late innings, high leverage,
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  Speaker 3: and I believe his stuff is even ticked up from
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  Speaker 3: what we saw last year a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I really liked him.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that was tough to see him depart,
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  Speaker 3: and that is part of the game, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: it kind of stings. I think another ex Angel, not
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  Speaker 3: to deviate too much, Taylor Ward might be doing pretty
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: well for the Orioles. Which is good to see. He's
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  Speaker 3: got over one thousand ops. It's early as it hit
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  Speaker 3: a home run yet, but you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, you never know.
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  Speaker 3: When a guy change of scenery, sometimes it works. I
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  Speaker 3: swore as the other day with the Braves, he's you know,
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  Speaker 3: he er. It was a little unsightly. But the Reds
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  Speaker 3: have a very promising club. They play hard. I think
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  Speaker 3: they've you know, he played the Angels pretty well in
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  Speaker 3: some of the recent years. They I know, some of
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  Speaker 3: the top of their orders done a lot of damage
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  Speaker 3: against them.
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  Speaker 4: So it'll be a good test.
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  Speaker 3: I think this one might be one of the better
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  Speaker 3: ones to see you know, exactly what the Angels are
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  Speaker 3: working with. I don't know why I think that, but
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  Speaker 3: it just seems like the Reds are a pretty good
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  Speaker 3: litmus test.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The Reds also have a pretty hot rookie first baseman
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  Speaker 1: in Sal Stewart, who as if Thursday was leading nan
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  Speaker 1: L with a one one thousand and one five to
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  Speaker 1: four ops, three homers, and eight RBIs in twelve games.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: And Saturday we'll get our second look at young George
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  Speaker 1: klass And the rookie right hander had a rough, rough
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: major league debut on Saturday night against the Mariners. He
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  Speaker 1: admitted after the game that things sped up a little
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: bit on him, which is what you often see from
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  Speaker 1: a rookie. He gave up three hits, walk five, struck
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  Speaker 1: out four, only went two and two thirds. Angels did
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  Speaker 1: come back to win that game eight seven and eleven innings.
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  Speaker 1: A guy who's had an experience like that, I assume
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  Speaker 1: it's a big learning curve when he makes a second start.
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  Speaker 1: How much more relaxed should he be?
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  Speaker 2: Will he be? And what can we expect out of George?
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  Speaker 2: You think?
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  Speaker 3: I saw the postgame interviews, I've seen the comments. He
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  Speaker 3: seems like a really good kid. He seems like he
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  Speaker 3: has the attitude that I personally like to see it.
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  Speaker 3: Appears to listen and was honest with you know what
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  Speaker 3: happened that first time out there. He's got the huge
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  Speaker 3: stuff plus numbers. You know that's out is is a
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  Speaker 3: newer one, but I think that it's uh, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to cover it in a second on another topic. But
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  Speaker 3: George has the pitches. It's about using them to his advantage,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, the walks are going to be probably
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  Speaker 3: an ongoing thing. You know, hopefully he's able to kind
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  Speaker 3: of figure out hone in on you know, maybe which
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  Speaker 3: side of the strike zone he could be a guy
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  Speaker 3: you know, glass now for example, works or middle the catchers, don't,
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  Speaker 3: you know, set up on the corners and class and
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  Speaker 3: stuff is good enough that maybe the approach early on
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  Speaker 3: at least might be not trying to get too cute
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  Speaker 3: at all and just you know, let the stuff overpower
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  Speaker 3: the hitters, not be afraid to pitch to some contact
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  Speaker 3: strikeouts for all the rage. But I think the better
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  Speaker 3: approaches to, you know here it is let's see what
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  Speaker 3: you got, and you know that's that's the easiest way
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  Speaker 3: to find out too. The big leagues are an adjustment,
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  Speaker 3: a big adjustment. But his stuff, you know the numbers,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that's where the game is headed. You
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  Speaker 3: can kind of project far more easily than just guessing
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  Speaker 3: if a guy's stuff is going to translate based on
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  Speaker 3: these metrics, and it seems like he does have this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to trust it. But I like his attitude.
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  Speaker 3: I hope he goes out and dominate to be nice
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  Speaker 3: to see five innings out of him.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: What do you think I talk about his stuff? I mean,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: he's got three plus pitches for me that four. Seemer
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: is averaging ninety seven point four, so he's touching ninety eight,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: probably an occasional ninety nine. The change up is ten
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: miles an hour to mph differential at about eighty seven.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: His slider, when he you know, can throw it as
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: an out pitch at ninety.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Four, has got a pretty sharp break.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of setting up the hitters
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: and using that slider as a putaway pitch, because it's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty devastating slider.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I just think, you know, what happened to him in
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: his first start has happened to so many kids. I
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: think it will be a lot more relaxed and it'll
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: be a really interesting I'm not saying this kid is
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: going to stick in the rotation all year, but you know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: we don't know how soon Grayson Rodriguez is going to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: be back. We're still not sure about Alec Manoa. But
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: if this kid can, you know, have a decent start
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: here and you know, maybe put string together a couple
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: of good starts. With Ryan Johnson on the I, I oh,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: maybe he sticks around for a little bit. We're gonna
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: turn our attention down to the Angels offense, and we've
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: heard this phrase a lot in baseball. I'm not sure
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: when it started. I'm not sure I like it. But
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the three true outcomes the three true moneyball? Oh is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: it straight straight from Moneyball? I couldn't remember that specifically.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, well there you go moneyball early two thousands.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: The home run, the walk, the strikeouts are the three
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: true outcomes for those that maybe weren't around there, weren't
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: paying attention. The Angels entered play Thursday leading the major
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: leagues with one hundred and forty two strikeouts. No shocker there.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: They almost set a major league record for strikeouts last year.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: They ranked fifth in home runs with fifteen, which is good.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: They ranked eighth and walks with fifty one, which is good.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: But Mark, is this any way to build an offense?
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: It's a way the best way, I mean to their
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: team averages two to oh one ops is six forty two.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Those numbers are not good. There's no way around it there.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna what they've really done A good job
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: is on the pitching side, you know, for example. But
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: this offense is going to have to start being a
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: little bit more dynamic for them to really hit their stride.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I know Zach Netto and Trout are both not really well.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: They're not dialed in right now. Not to say that
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: that can't change in a heartbeat. Cincinnati's a very friendly
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: hitter's part, but in the most recent game, both Zach
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: and Mike had some opportunities, and I think that inordinate
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: amount of pop ups, kind of weekly hit pop ups.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: So when I talk about dynamic offense, I mean they're
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: twenty fifth in the league in hits. That's obviously not
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: where you want to be. And as far as extra
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: base hits, they have the home runs, they have the
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: second lowest doubles, and they have no triples, so not
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: hitting you know, the singles, aren't it said twenty fifth,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: So they're, you know, towards the very bottom, the bottom
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: in triples and the second least in doubles. So it's
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: really the home run. I know, on the Lockdown podcast,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the Brothers Mike, that's my brother Sean.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: They do a great job.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I listened to quite a few of theirs, but they're
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: kind of always talking about the Angels keep reverting to
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: trying to hit the ball out of the park. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: think that's one of their bigger gripes when things aren't
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: going well. They see a lot of that. Is that
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: what you're seeing as well? Does this team seem kind
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: of hyper focused on that home run?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Not as much as last year. But it's way too
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: small a sample size. I mean, they only have a
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: few guys who I can even consider soup, you know, really,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you know, traditional power hitters and Adele Trout, I still don't.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I know, Netto's hit over twenty home runs for a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: couple of years, I still don't look at him as
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a power guy.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I don't look at I think Zach's a power hitter.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he can for sure, but I don't
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: want Zach Netto swinging for the fences. I also saw
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Zach Netto try to bunt twice with the bases loaded
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and one out the other day. I didn't like that.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: That was strange, especially for a team that hits as
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: many home runs as they do now. A guy like
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Jorge Sohilaire, you know he's probably going to swing for
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the fences. Mancata, I really don't know. I'm not sure
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: what he's swinging for half the time. But those are
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the only guys I don't think Josh Lowe is a
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: big power hitter. These guys shouldn't be swinging for the fences.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: To me, you put pressure on teams with base runners
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: by making, you know, creating some action on the bases.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Angels have a ton of speed,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but they have a few guys who can run, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I mean it's early. I just think they have a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: few guys who aren't you know, you know, no, I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: agree with you on the bass. You know, Kurt Suzuki
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: has stressed the importance of situational baseball. He's shown a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: willingness to play small ball at times with a couple
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: of buns and key situations. My concern, I don't know
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: what if you think this way too, Mark, is that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: they're going to fall into the same patterns that doom
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: them last season, where I think they really, you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you had guys like Christian Moore and some of these
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: young guys just all the time swinging you know, thse
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: two strike approach at all, just you know, brain dead
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: hacking is one former player he used to call it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I hope they're not falling into the same patterns I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: kind of doomed them last year.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I hope so too.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: One thing that I'm going to be on and I've
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: said it before there and not using the whole field
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: at all. Pull up the spray charts on Savant and
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: not only is it pull some of them are. I
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: mean it's very pole. And when they played the Cubs,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the Cubs kind of singled into death. They were using
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the whole field. The Braves using the whole field. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying poking balls the other way on purpose,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: but with two strikes, and Tory Hunter was on the
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: other day, I asked them about the importance of hitting
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: for a high batting average. I think with two strikes,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: driving the ball, you know, if it happens, that's awesome,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: but it really shouldn't be the goal. Think you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: at least in my mind, a hard single, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: hit it on the ground, that's great. You're trying to
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: find a way to get back in the count, or
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: you know, if they make a mistake, it's more of
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: a punch. It's not you know, you're not a home
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: run down the left field line. But when you see
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: and I think what you're talking about are some of
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: those inappropriate swings in counts where you're you're really behind,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: it just doesn't look right. It doesn't look like you're
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: up there fighting, and there has been a too much chase.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I think some sladders down in a way, and unfortunately,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: when they've been down in some of these games, I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: haven't seen a ton of fight. We'll see if that's
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: kind of something to monitor. In their defense, they've faced
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the second nastiest nastiest pitching so far, the Stuff plus
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: one oh one point two. So the Padres are the
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: only team that has seen nastier pitching than the Angels.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Now there's some.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Other teams, the Rangers, the Rockies, the Orioles Toronto that's
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: not doing so well, but some of these teams are
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: hanging in there. So it's part of the you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: you get the schedule and sometimes you play against a tough,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: stiff competition in the beginning. Sometimes you don't. But so
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: far it's kind of a mixed bag. If this keeps up,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the pitching staff is going to have to really do
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: their thing, because you know, the all or nothing is
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: all or nothing.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We're gonna turn our attention to Logan o'hapi, who said,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: after catching Monday Night's gem of a start by Jose
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Soriano that he is quote, never felt more trusted to play.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: The game than I have this year.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: And then when.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Asked to sort of elaborate or asked for a tangible
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: example by Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register, o'hapi
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: said he and Soriano determined early in Monday Night's game
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that the Braves seem to be honest pitches anytime they
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: threw the same pitch back to back, So happy and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Soriano came into the dugout and told Maddox and the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: other coaches that they needed to adjust.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Quote.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: We got to keep more of a mix here than
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: just sticking to what is maybe looking like it's work
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: at the time, o'hapy said. He told Maddox and sorry,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: mixed it up from there and went eight innings. Mark,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: are you reading anything into this quote at all?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I would like your opinion on this quote. I think
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: that you have.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Done this for forty years and are much better at
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: reading between the lines when it comes to something like this.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you could read it as sort of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a knock on some of the previous coaching staff, some
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of the pitching coaches and maybe manager Ron Washington. You know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Logan had such a rough year last year. Both at
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the plate and behind the plate, and confidence I think
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball is something that I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: think is really important to him. You know, when he's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: feeling relaxed and not feeling like the just all the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: pressure that's on him. I mean, these young catchers have
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: enough on their plate as it is. I did a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: story going into last season on o'hopy and how tough
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: it is for a young catcher to sort of, you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: establish himself and shout to guys like Chris Iyanetta and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: there's just so much And you know, Man Logan never
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: had to catch for Mike Sosha, but you saw how
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: he's greeted some of the catchers back when he was there.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine anything more stressful than trying
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to catch for Mike Soshia. And you know, he pretty
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: much ran a guy like Mike Napoli out of town
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: because he didn't think he could handle the pitchers as
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: well as he wanted him to. And as we all know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: nap went under a great career with the Rangers. So
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I think being comfortable, being confident, feeling like he's doing
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the right thing and that the coaches have his back
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: is important to Logan, and if that's how he feels
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: right now, I think that bodes well for the Angels.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not. I haven't been in the clubhouse.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I haven't talked to these guys as much as I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: would normally if I was covering the team full time
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like I did for many years.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I just think it's You could certainly take it as
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: maybe a knock on some previous coaches who maybe just
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: couldn't get through to Logan, or maybe there was just
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: some you know, butting of heads. But I think it
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: bodes well for the future of the pitching staff and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: hopefully Logan's future.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I think that it indicates him taking some ownership. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: think catchers, ultimately, you know, you want them to be
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the general out there on the field hauling the game.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: They're the ones with the best view by far to
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: see what these hitters are doing. And hitters make and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I made a number of adjustments. Sometimes you're moving around
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: in the box pitch to pitch, count to count, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the catcher is the one that ultimately is sitting there.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Most of them are sitting there staring, you know, staring
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: at your feet, and they're making sure you're not peeking.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I never peaked at anything, I hope, but nobody does
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: to be honest at least of the things. But it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: they're the ones that have the best feel and they
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: can kind of read things too, and not always things
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: that are they can even put into words, but just
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: kind of the timing of the hitter and certain things
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and just get a They could also tell very easily
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: when guys are cheating. That's a big deal, like with
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: the story onor or somebody like that. If they see
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: that front shoulder starting to fly, I mean, that opens
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: up the entire outside part of the plate. Likewise, if
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: they think, you know, or started to see a team
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: that's overly passive and clearly up there that you know
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: they can get. You talk to a guy like Red
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: or something, and hey, let's go right out them. They
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: seem like they're trying to get a lot of pitches
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: out of you. And it's not a knock on reed,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: it just is kind of you know, that's that's what
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: you see as a catcher. And I know I was
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: lucky to play with many that were really good, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: almost all of them exactly like what Logan's saying, they're
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: out there and you count on them to do that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: A catcher that is not a leader in at least
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: in this regard. It's it's just not really how the
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: big leagues operate. You know, most of these guys are.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: That's why they are so popular to manage later on,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: because they have to kind of take ownership with these
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: things and become, you know, guys that the pitchers trust.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: That That is the relationship. So far, so good.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Logan's really done a nice job in that regard.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: We're going to close a show. Is some more rough
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: in news for the Angels. Robert Stevenson, the much bligned reliever,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: at another Tommy John surgery, just on a revision, so
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: he's out for the year. He'll have he signed a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: three year, thirty three million dollars deal before the twenty
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: four season.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: He'll have made twelve appearances.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: We know how frustrated Robert is, you know, with some
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of the quotes we heard from him in spring training,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and I just want to sort of take this from
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: a player's angle.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Mark you.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Signed a three year, thirty seven million dollar deal with
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the Oriels before the twenty seventeen season, and then you
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: suffered some pretty bad knee injuries or limited to ninety
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: games in twenty eighteen and twelve games in twenty nineteen
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: before retiring. How tough is it for players when they're
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: unable to fulfill these types of contracts, or really any
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: kind of contracts.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Because of these injuries. I can't imagine what that's like.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone can unless you're the one
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: doing it, you know. And in the case of Roberts,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: he's done everything he can to be productive. I've seen
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: nothing that sounds like another injured player on the Angels.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Not to say that that Anthony hasn't also done things
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: to try and return to play, but number numerous stories
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: over the years. I think Ellsbury, you know, had an
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: interesting recovery on his own quite a bit. So sometimes
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: teams will grant more latitude to guys to kind of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: you know, rehabit they're going to be long term things.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: But you know, in my own case, it was something
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: that was, you know, entirely on the knee just started
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: to kind of there wasn't one precipitating event, but I
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: just started to feel like, man, I don't feel not
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: that I ever had an abundance of athleticism, but it
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: seemed gone, you know, and it started to swell routinely, Buckle,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and these are things that Nick pros or it's pretty
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: pretty difficult.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I was very stubborn too, and I continued to play
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: and play and play. I was still able to hit
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: to a decent level in eighteen. But I don't know
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: if it was kind of a mato thing or what,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: but I probably should have gotten a look at before.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: But eventually buck show Walter said, hey, you're not looking
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: very good out there, at least running wise. You want
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to get it looked at. And it ended up being
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a pretty serious thing. So in nineteen I honestly probably
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: who knows, I had an obligation to return. You know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: when you have a surgery, they talk about return to play.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I think it's such a funny term because return to
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: play just simply means you are there, you know, and
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: you return to play. It doesn't mean you returned to
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: the previous level of play. So small anecdote, but yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: this is very unfortunate. You know, he's got tremendous stuff.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: But I don't know as a genetics, as a who
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: knows what it is, it's bad luck. I think by
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: and large, but I would have love to see what
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: he had had to bring, because when he was out
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: there it was quite good.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: And best wishes to him.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Hopefully he's able to kind of, you know, get something
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: in order and maybe have a couple more years.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll close the show with that. Thanks for watching,
• 32:10
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• 32:13
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