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#169 - Did Remember the Titans age well? (w/ Al Jackson) · Did That Age Well?

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  Welcome everybody to did that age well at Dude IDK Studios.
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  I'm Molly Smith, your host, and today I am so excited to welcome
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  back my friend Al Jackson. Welcome back to the pod.
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  I'm excited to be here on 2 Levels.
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  And let's talk about, you know, we've been talking before we
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  started the pod. Yeah.
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  About. I am literally in the middle of
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  moving. Yeah.
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  And I was in a pinch to get out of the house that I was in and
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  into my girlfriend's condo. And then one of those pinches
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  where you were just going through what's in the house.
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  Like, could I live without that? Yeah.
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  Do I need my toothbrush? Really need to bring that.
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  Shoes. Are they oppressive?
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  I don't know if I need all of them.
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  Maybe I'll be the no shoes guy. Yeah.
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  So I mean, I was in a pinch and this sounds like such a, a, a, a
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  bug, but it's, it's really personal to me.
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  I was talking to Nick, who runs the studio yesterday.
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  I was doing another podcast and he was like, well, these guys at
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  Spider Moving sponsor my studio. I was like, how do I get out of
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  my house? I was like, hey Nick, are those
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  guys still available? They were Spider Moving came
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  through for me. I cannot, this is not a
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  commercial. This is happening currently as
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  I'm talking. They're at my condo.
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  Shout out to Spider Moving you. You didn't know, but there was a
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  47 year old black man that had one option.
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  Left. You know like you.
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  You know the life is you bumper stickers.
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  Life is full of options. Life is full of option.
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  It was that. Or just walk away from my stuff
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  and they look, Molly, if we're going to keep it 100, I didn't
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  get a chance to get over there and box up the last bit of it.
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  So not only did they pick my stuff up, they got it in
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  division. It'd be like if you worked for
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  Uber Eats and I was like, can you go pick up some Jelly beans
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  at CVS for me? And you were like, sure, it's my
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  job. And I was like 01 thing.
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  They're all separate and then they're scattered around the
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  store. So embarrassing.
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  And I didn't just seeing these two guys moving like picture
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  frames individually and my mom. I was like, I love y'all.
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  I will every time I get a chance.
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  I will shout you all out you guys spider moving if you need
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  real help or if you are a planner and.
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  If you can even plan. To do something like a nut case,
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  do that as well. So shout out spider movie.
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  I had to get that out. That's been like I don't know
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  how they did it, but they came through for me.
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  So that's amazing. In the middle of all this
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  nonsense, though, the one you know, I to go to sleep.
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  This might sound morbid. I I on YouTube, I watch those
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  tornado videos. I don't want to talk about it.
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  Like as white noise or just to be like, I'm so small, the
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  world's so big. It's the guy's voice.
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  He'll just be like Tulsa, OK 1988 and F5 is barreling towards
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  the town of Haysville. They don't know, and so I don't.
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  It's horrible, but I know a lot more about tornadoes than I
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  should. It takes what it takes.
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  Yes and there is a moment in a tornado where it when you're in
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  the true eye of it, it's very peaceful and when I was in the
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  eye of this tornado of moving there was some peace and that
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  piece was watching this movie I'm.
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  So glad that is beautiful. Remember the Titans was the only
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  thing where I was like, it's great to have appointment
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  television where you got to watch it like a movie that makes
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  you happy. So yes, when you have to sit
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  down and do your homework of watching a heartwarming American
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  classic. Yes, based on a true story.
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  That I think, I think based on maybe doing a lot of work there,
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  but I mean, it does seem like, you know, Coach Boone was a real
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  guy. He was a real.
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  Guy coach for five years, you know, after, you know, after the
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  movie was made. So I have thoughts.
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  So what are yours? Let's kick it off all.
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  Right. Well, let's kick it off.
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  You know, I felt like this movie was just so fun to rewatch.
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  I love Remember the Titans because it's the perfect sports
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  formula movie where it's like, oh, uh oh, are they going to
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  win? Are they not going to win?
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  Are they going to solve racism? Are they not?
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  I just felt like it was it was perfectly wrapped up in a bow.
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  And sometimes we need that. Sometimes we need a movie that
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  doesn't leave us with any questions.
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  No lingering thoughts of like, Oh, well, what's going to happen
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  now? I didn't need to really worry
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  about that. I mean, they gave us at the end
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  like the where are they now? Which everybody loves.
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  Shut up. Everybody loves that.
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  You want to know, like, you know what?
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  What happens when they're 40? Oh, he has three kids now.
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  Yeah, I want to know that. I want to know that.
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  But unfortunately I feel like the facade was a little bit
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  broken when I looked into kind of more of the true story.
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  That's why you don't do. That it's.
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  Called Living the lie OK? Why did I start this podcast
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  just to do this kind of shit to myself and my friends?
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  Shattering everything. Yeah, so I went ahead and kind
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  of shattered everything. It's not as though, OK, so
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  Howard Boone, it's not as though he wasn't a black man who led
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  this football team to victory and helped bring this community
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  together along racial lines. But he was unfortunately fired
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  like five years later for abuse of players.
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  It what did, what did I say exactly?
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  It was like he. Oh yeah, there was this actually
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  Obama, when he was campaigning in February of 2008, went to to
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  TC Williams High School and like did a whole yeah, he like did a
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  whole thing with Howard Boone and was like, woo Hoo.
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  So. How long after the Obama visit
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  did things go fall apart? See, that's a good question.
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  The thing is, Boone was fired from his coaching position in
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  1979 after allegations of player abuse and related complaints by
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  three assistant coaches. So.
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  I could see that just from the movie.
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  From the movie, it doesn't seem like he was sweet to his
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  players. I did really like when he
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  confronted the white coach and was like, you coddle the black
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  players and not the white ones. I see that.
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  But there were a couple of players who who spoke to the
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  press basically being like, well, I can say that he treated
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  white and black students equally bad.
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  See, that's a quality. There you go.
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  That you get. Sometimes you get what you asked
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  for, I mean. It was the 70s, you know, there
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  were you could call, you could call your football players.
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  So many things I can't say on the mic right now.
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  But I mean, and you know, he did, I just, I, we were watching
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  just to skip ahead a little bit. But there's a moment when
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  they're training in the summertime doing 2A days and he
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  goes, you need water. He goes, water is a bad word
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  around here. Water is weakness.
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  I'm like, we've had a number of players collapse because of that
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  theory. Turns out we need water because
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  our body is 70%. So it's a lot of things that I
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  think the ideology of my way or the highway, I'm very tough on
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  people. I think that works a lot.
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  I think that it's, it's almost like if you were to say, you
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  know, I'm going to, I'm going to tar and gravel this road myself,
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  Could you do it? Probably.
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  But is there probably a better way to do it working with
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  people, learning about it first approach?
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  It's like the the whole tough guy mentality.
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  It's great for bumper stickers and great for movies because
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  it's such a typecast. You know who the hard ass is,
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  But that strategy doesn't work, and that strategy gets you fired
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  in five years. Unfortunately, yes.
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  But it still doesn't necessarily damage your reputation because
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  then 20 years later they're going to make a movie about you.
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  And then eight years after that, the soon to be president of the
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  United States is going to come visit the school where you
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  worked and say you're a hero. Yeah, I mean, there's got to be.
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  So. How many people watch that movie
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  and watch him be applauded and be like, that guy called me a
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  shithead in front of my mom? Like there have to be a lot of
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  people that were like, that guy was really rude to me.
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  But I mean, it's it's kind of like, I think it takes an
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  extreme personality to get a movie made about them.
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  And you know, he was definitely that.
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  I think what initially caught my attention because I I kind of
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  went through this movie chronologically is like there's
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  a coach Yost. He's the initial white coach
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  that is supplanted by the black coach kind of like
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  unceremoniously. They're just like you're he was
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  like the white coach was like, well, I'll just quit.
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  And then he was like, well, I'll stay on his assistant coach
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  show. All the white players don't
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  quit. And I was thinking, if they
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  don't, if he doesn't make the move to become an assistant
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  coach and he leaves and the white players leave and it
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  there's an all black team, that would explain.
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  I remember, like when I played high school basketball, we would
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  go play away games and we would always look at like the team
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  through the years. And then there was just one year
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  where the team was all black immediately in the player's
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  name. It was like Rob Berkowski,
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  Johnny Franklin, Mike Painter, and then the next thing, Jerome
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  Wallace. And it's just like one year.
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  Yeah, it was. And it was.
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  And it like I was like, that would have explained every high
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  school. That explains.
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  Everything. Tori Schulman, her dad, went to
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  Eastside High in Jersey, which is the high school that Lean on
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  Me was made the all black high school, but he was there when it
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  was all white. Oh my God.
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  So it's so interesting. Blue, he was best friends with
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  Bruce Filanch, No way, who came on DBL and was super awesome and
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  remembered her. They were really close.
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  That's. So cool.
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  Isn't that weird? And it's like Bruce Filanch went
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  to Eastside High. Oh my.
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  God. Isn't that life is so life is
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  the overlap. So you know, Coach Yost, he
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  decides to stay on, but they have this little heartwarming
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  moment because they have to introduce his daughter, who
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  plays a major, some would say wildly annoying role in the
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  movie. She was a little much.
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  As you get a little older, she was a little much but.
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  Sometimes kids, like, don't need to do that.
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  It was. She had a lot of lines and they
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  almost seem kind of like wild lines, like they did them after
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  the movie is done. It's like, come on, guys, you
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  can do better. It's like a sheet.
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  What? And there's just a line in that
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  that really I feel like hit hit me and I don't know if you it
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  even resonated with you. They were like, you know,
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  because it's rare to see a dad that gets full custody, right?
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  And it's like he they were like he separated from his wife
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  because he just couldn't put down high school football.
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  And then they just move on. I'm like.
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  They moved on so quickly, they said she's like dad worked too
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  hard and so mom left what she. Never.
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  Seen again, never seen again, never mentioned.
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  They never mentioned. They why, why did they have to?
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  Was that like an element of his real life that they were like,
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  oh, well, I guess he was a single dad, so we shouldn't
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  introduce this new character if, you know, his wife wasn't in the
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  picture. Or were they just like?
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  It's simpler if we just get rid of.
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  I think you you forget this movie is what the 2000.
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  And so even back then, 25 years ago, a lot of things that were
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  not a heteronormative male female relationship had to be
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  explained. Like famously like the girl, The
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  Golden Girls, you know, they were allowed to kind of get away
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  with that because four women in the house with no man because
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  they were older and the sexual element was kind of removed,
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  except for Blanche, of course. But you know, so like you back
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  then, you had to be like, here's a single dad, but here's why.
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  Yep but then the reason why so vague and never mentioned ever
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  get dad worked too hard What that?
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  That sounds like why did you get arrested last night?
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  I was being too nice. I was too.
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  I was too nice to the staff at Hooters and they arrested me for
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  being too nice and then never mentioned again.
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  When they go into a job interview and they're like,
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  what's your worst quality? And you're like, I work too
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  hard. That's what they did with him.
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  With him and his entire relationship with his daughter,
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  who as far as I could see, never attended school.
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  I don't think that she ever had to attend school.
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  I think football is what did they say at the beginning of
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  this movie that they say at every football movie?
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  Football is a way of life In Alexandria, VA, football is a
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  way of life. And so I think that that means
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  school. Not a way of life.
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  And it wasn't, you know, just cutting to the end.
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  I was waiting to see in the montage at the end like that.
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  She went on to be the first assistant coach at the and she
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  just like, no, I went into to hand goods.
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  I started knitting things on Etsy, threw away the 1st 30
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  years of my life. Now I make covers for butter
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  dishes. It was a very, you know, she
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  went to camp with them. Yeah.
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  She went to an away college and did what all day?
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  Who's to say? I thought that they were going
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  to have a scene where they were like she was going to like
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  suggest the play that was going to work or something, but she
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  just really kind of like nagged you could you could be run
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  faster like. What, and using a whole bunch of
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  technical language, like it really was a one note joke that
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  they just had over and over and over.
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  It didn't come full circle with her suggesting a play.
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  It didn't come full circle with her saying like, well, mom would
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  have wanted you to do this or something.
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  She just, it's just for comedic relief I guess, to be like,
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  that's so funny that this annoying as fuck little kid.
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  Is she telling me she was? Grown up.
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  Startlingly annoying. Yeah, it was it.
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  Was shocking how annoying she was, especially compared to the
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  other little girl who couldn't have been more charming and
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  lovely. Right.
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  I'm like, that's how that's how kids should be.
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  Cena, not her. Yeah, just on the floor playing
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  with Barbies. Yeah, there was a scene where.
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  She was like, she's. Accessorizing.
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  Yes, very good call. Good catch.
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  She's accessorizing with the Barbies on the floor.
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  And I even think that going back and playing like, you know, fake
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  director or writer in this movie, she could have taken the
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  Barbies and put them in like a football formation or something
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  to show that this carried over. But she's just like, I don't
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  want to do that. And then she just looked back at
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  the game film, which should have been they should have been
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  looking at on an Atari 1800s. It was in black and white.
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  I mean, it was old school. And she just looks and she goes,
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  man, we suck. And it's.
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  Like what? And then a brick comes through
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  the window. Yeah.
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  I, I, I don't know if you want to talk about the brick
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  situation now. I mean, look, let's just get,
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  well, I don't know, I don't know exactly what you as a whole,
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  like feel about this movie. Like what was your overall
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  impression? And then we can kind of get into
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  more of the specifics. My overall impression was you
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  you really hit it on the head when you started talking about.
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  There were a lot of storylines that had a nice little bow, just
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  like dad worked too hard. I mean, mom, dad worked too
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  hard. Mom left.
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  There's your bow and you're like, but wait.
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  And they're like, shut up. We gave you the bow.
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  And then you move on. And you're like, I have a
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  question. They're like shut your.
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  Mouth, they said, ain't no mouth.
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  You hit it on the head. Just when you start to wonder
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  this isn't adding up, they start saying some more soul music.
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  I did not remember how much singing there was in this movie
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  to the point that it made me want to ask you today, could
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  this be remade as a Broadway musical?
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  I hope it one day is. I think it absolutely could, and
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  I think it should. Well, let me ask you this.
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  OK? Did the saying start to annoy
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  the piss out of you? Because it did.
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  The black defensive lineman, Blue.
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  I think his name was the first two songs.
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  All right, dawg. Sure.
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  Like song, because anything that would happen, it would be just
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  be like we got a big game coming up.
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  We got a big game. I'm like bro, my mom has cancer,
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  yo Mama like hey. It was the go to way to break
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  the tension for anything. They'd be like, man, someone
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  threw a brick through our coach's window.
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  Amazing. I mean, she is not lying.
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  Every scene they threw a brick through your window brick house.
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  So it was so much singing. My girl was like, there's a lot
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  of singing. I am not here.
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  I'm just saying that was what really hit me was the singing,
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  you know, the the process of them coming together as a team.
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  Initially, I just kept being struck by the fact that first of
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  all, this happened in 1971, so 6 years before I was born, You
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  know, like the fact that like the military with M sixteens had
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  to be like this kid can go to algebra.
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  It's it's insane. And it just kind of shows you,
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  and it's always been a not a conspiracy theory of mine, but a
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  theory of mine is like, I think Americans are not deprived
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  totally of our history, but like when things took place and how
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  things overlapped. Like there's that thing that
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  like, like, like Ruby Bridges, who needed to be escorted by the
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  military police into school. She's the exact same age as like
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  my mom's husband. But when you look at the
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  pictures, Jerry Jones, the owner of the Cowboys, was there
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  screaming at her. But you you look at those
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  pictures and you're like, that must have been like 1714.
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  Yeah, it was not that long ago. I know.
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  And so like, it's hard with these period pieces like this to
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  really grasp like how recent it was because thank God, it does
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  seem crazy. You know, it wouldn't be like,
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  Oh, my kids are starting school so well, you know, we got to put
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  on our Kevlar, you know, like that was like a real
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  conversation not that long ago, almost with almost within my
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  lifetime. But my mom was like a person
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  like kicking it, you know, So it's like it, it that's what
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  what struck me. And I one thing that really hit
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  me before I get into my real synopsis was just like, you
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  know, there is this the big kerfuffle, you know, as the
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  busing starts and some of the signs I saw a sign that said
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  moms against bussing. I was like, damn, y'all, what
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  did black people do? The moms got together.
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  Moms against, what are you down with?
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  I'm down with Mothers Against drunk driving and bussing.
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  And bussing, not not drunk bussing.
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  You can be sober, just don't have any black people in that
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  bus. So yeah, that And then like, you
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  know, they kind of had the show, the team going from a period of
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  not accepting each other at all to then forced to being sit next
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  to each other and realize that we're all people, we're all one
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  and you know, the bond. There.
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  It is and there it is. And just, you know, the, the and
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  then it kind of all being reset again when they come back from
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  Camp Gettysburg from the Gettysburg College, which I know
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  that when movies are made and the college is portrayed, you
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  want to portray them in the best light.
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  So that 12 year old looking goes, I want to go to USUSC when
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  I'm that it looks hot, hot cheerleaders.
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  The one real scene we see of Gettysburg College is when he
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  runs them on a death March in the middle of the night to a
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  cemetery that's filled with fog and talks about dead young men
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  with the blood burgling out of them.
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  I was like, good historical note, not great for Gettysburg
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  College. Do you want to come here?
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  It was very just like I really I, I've, I've felt for
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  Gettysburg College in that sense.
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  And then, yeah. It's funny that we didn't hear
• 20:59
  from Gettysburg College about that.
• 21:00
  Like we heard from Duke when that guy in White Lotus was
• 21:04
  wearing a Duke shirt when he was like contemplating killing
• 21:07
  himself. But we didn't hear from
• 21:09
  Gettysburg College when they said, look at this place.
• 21:12
  All all that we have to show you is this really sad, sad cemetery
• 21:18
  and talking about the brutality of war.
• 21:21
  And then they're all like, you know what?
• 21:24
  I think that maybe we have more in common than we thought.
• 21:29
  We all don't want to be dead in the middle of a field, OK?
• 21:32
  We never want to come back here again.
• 21:34
  So they get back to town and they get right back into the
• 21:39
  racial strife, which weirdly ends up kind of bonding them
• 21:42
  together, which is kind of the point of boot camp, which is
• 21:46
  really what they're that what they went through at the
• 21:49
  college. The point of boot camp,
• 21:51
  especially for, you know, people that want to be Navy Seals and
• 21:54
  Marines, is they want you to hate your Sergeant so much and
• 21:58
  be so used to so much trauma that when you get in the
• 22:00
  battlefield, you just react and you don't think about it.
• 22:03
  And I mean, in that case, Coach Boone was probably a good
• 22:07
  appetizer for what they were walking into.
• 22:11
  So, you know, they get into the season and there were some just
• 22:16
  not to nerd out on football, which I could, but there were
• 22:19
  just, I get that the halftime scenes are very important to
• 22:24
  push the story along because there has to be a moment where,
• 22:29
  you know, there's a player that hasn't bought in and another
• 22:32
  player pulls them aside and they have, you know, a discussion.
• 22:35
  And then they go out in second-half and they've not
• 22:37
  bonded more. But what ended up happening for
• 22:40
  the football nerd in me is they would have this whole like,
• 22:42
  Molly, you got to play better. All right.
• 22:44
  We worked really hard. I love you like a sister.
• 22:47
  You have to play better. And you're like, all right, Al,
• 22:49
  I will. And then you go out and you're
• 22:51
  like, you guys didn't discuss any strategy at all.
• 22:52
  Strategy. It's just like, well then all of
• 22:55
  a sudden I decided maybe I will try.
• 22:58
  Yeah, and then they just go out and because they wasted
• 23:01
  halftime, falling back in love together.
• 23:04
  Denzel's like giving play calls as they're.
• 23:06
  I'm like, you had a whole halftime.
• 23:08
  He's like, you're going to guard 23.
• 23:10
  I'm like, you're doing this now? Their bouts went out there and
• 23:14
  then they're like, Oh yeah, what should I do?
• 23:17
  They were putting players out there that had never played
• 23:19
  defense. It was a very if I could go back
• 23:24
  and look at one thing, I wanted to know where the games as close
• 23:28
  as they said they were in the movie or they were they
• 23:30
  blowouts? They were all blowouts.
• 23:32
  Yeah, I kind of gathered that. They were all blowouts.
• 23:34
  Of course, that's not interesting to watch if it's a
• 23:37
  movie. So I understand, you know, they
• 23:38
  got to do a little Hollywood magic.
• 23:39
  But I did think it was pretty clear.
• 23:42
  As a person who doesn't know anything really about football
• 23:45
  myself, even I could tell like, this was not made by sports
• 23:50
  people. No, this was this was made by
• 23:53
  people who are good at writing stories about, you know, high
• 23:59
  school communities and maybe friends and maybe.
• 24:03
  Friend drama. Yeah, friend drama.
• 24:05
  You know, like some sweet stuff tied up in Bows, but there's not
• 24:10
  a whole lot of sports knowledge in executed in this movie.
• 24:17
  Well, you can tell that because when they're staying closer to
• 24:21
  the at least the sports, the true sports script is they would
• 24:25
  have spent time building up the end of the season opponent.
• 24:29
  They would be like our last game against Liberty High and they
• 24:33
  would show like, you know, TC Williams wins, you know, Liberty
• 24:37
  High wins to build that that drama to that meeting.
• 24:40
  But like their last game, they just played A-Team and their
• 24:43
  coaches like just wearing a blue best.
• 24:46
  And this is I wanted to talk about because we did learn some
• 24:49
  things about certain teams. There was one team that had a
• 24:52
  very racist coach and he went on the TV giving an interview and
• 24:58
  on television he said that he was going to knock the chocolate
• 25:03
  out of out of the T series players.
• 25:08
  And as a black man that takes racism very seriously, I will
• 25:12
  say this. The one Achilles heel to racism
• 25:16
  is when you make it sound delicious.
• 25:19
  I was like. What is what did you just say?
• 25:24
  I was telling my boy one day I was like, you know, everybody
• 25:27
  has racial slurs. People have racial slurs against
• 25:29
  black people. But the Italian racial slurs,
• 25:32
  they sound like really delicious.
• 25:34
  They're like bunch of caramel fusiles in here.
• 25:37
  And you're like, what? You call me?
• 25:38
  A bunch of meatball sandwiches out in here.
• 25:42
  It's very weird so but. Then that was it.
• 25:45
  They just they just got killed. There was never, you know, I
• 25:49
  don't know if that was part of the narrative, but I just, you
• 25:54
  know, with movies like this, they the camera wants us to
• 25:57
  focus on them starting to win and them winning over the
• 26:01
  townspeople. But I had to think that at some
• 26:07
  point and we haven't really gotten to this, but we'll get
• 26:10
  back. That's townspeople that were
• 26:12
  worried about their all white football team being integrated.
• 26:17
  Takes the field dancing with a white quarterback that is
• 26:25
  heavily seen to be gay. And that must because I'm sure
• 26:31
  people were like, calm down, They're just boys playing
• 26:33
  football. Yeah, but that's a lot for a lot
• 26:35
  a racist guy in 1971 to take in in the course of a few things.
• 26:40
  You got to ease the old men into it.
• 26:42
  Look, they were doing the Electric Slide at like the
• 26:45
  second game. What are you going to be doing
• 26:50
  dancing at midfield? Yeah, they are.
• 26:54
  And they're not just dancing choreographed.
• 26:59
  Dancing, I mean, it was and, and I do want to talk to you.
• 27:02
  What were your thoughts on the introduction of the player
• 27:05
  Sunshine, who got dropped off by his military dad from
• 27:10
  California? And I'm putting California in
• 27:12
  quotes because boy did this movie use California with some
• 27:18
  quotes. Yeah.
• 27:20
  So what were your thoughts initially?
• 27:21
  OK, so my thought initial when I first saw this movie when I was
• 27:25
  a little kid, I was like, oh, it's the gay one, right?
• 27:27
  I'm like, OK, so that guy is gay.
• 27:30
  Watching at this time, I was like, oh, actually the whole
• 27:33
  thing is that like it's supposed to not matter?
• 27:37
  Like when one second can we post this?
• 27:38
  This isn't live, is it? Oh no, this isn't.
• 27:40
  Live OK. Yeah, you're totally fine.
• 27:42
  Des, what's up? Hey, I'll have to leave.
• 27:43
  In a minute they're almost done, but I don't.
• 27:46
  Know if. I'll oh, that's, that's, that's
• 27:51
  OK. Just tell them.
• 27:51
  They don't even lock the door. Whenever they're done, they can
• 27:53
  just take off. And I'm plugging.
• 27:57
  First of all, I've already plugged Spider and I'm gonna do
• 27:59
  it again. I'm on the phone.
• 28:01
  Keep this in. Yeah.
• 28:02
  We're keeping this in right now. I'm at I'm at the podcast that
• 28:06
  was Jacob. I'm with Molly and I'm on camera
• 28:08
  right now. This is no, no, no, it's fine.
• 28:12
  This is my friend Destiny. She's calling to let me know
• 28:15
  that the spider moving people have done an outstanding job.
• 28:17
  This is not a joke and and we appreciate them.
• 28:21
  And thank you shout out Spider. So, all right, Des, I'll call
• 28:25
  you back. All right.
• 28:27
  Thanks. Oh, all right, bye.
• 28:29
  And you've been here for we've only been recording for 30
• 28:32
  minutes and they worked so swiftly.
• 28:34
  It's it's incredible. They saved my life.
• 28:37
  Yeah, they say. They were my sunshine.
• 28:39
  They're here at Sunshine. So talk to me, I gotta, I need
• 28:42
  to know your thoughts about sunshine.
• 28:43
  Because sunshine so so he comes in with his long hair and he is,
• 28:51
  they call him fruit cake. He kisses Gary on the mouth
• 28:54
  which I thought was such a funny troll now like I thought when I
• 28:59
  first. I think you need to set for our
• 29:01
  viewers how we kiss Gary, because it was out of nowhere in
• 29:04
  the locker room and I was like, did we just witness a sexual
• 29:07
  assault? Yeah, it does actually kind of
• 29:10
  read that way a little bit when I first, OK, when I watched him
• 29:15
  when I was younger, I thought that he had like a crush on him
• 29:18
  and that he literally like was just like, I want to kiss this
• 29:21
  guy because I think he's hot. What he was actually doing was
• 29:25
  like, you know, essentially bullying him, putting him in his
• 29:28
  place the way that these boys do.
• 29:30
  Wow, That's a great point. That is bullying.
• 29:32
  You don't look at it from that side.
• 29:33
  It's like, because it was like, I, I do Tai chi, which does not
• 29:37
  work. No, I've seen a lot of MMA
• 29:39
  fights. Yeah.
• 29:40
  And when people are introduced, they'll be like, here is Molly
• 29:42
  Smith. She has been trained.
• 29:45
  She's a black belt in karate, jiu jitsu, and she's a
• 29:48
  kickboxer. You never see Tai chi.
• 29:50
  You never see an old man channeling the ocean waves that
• 29:55
  will get you destroyed. And it's like, oh, you 2 thugs
• 29:58
  want to take my wife's purse? It's like what is.
• 30:04
  That, yeah, I don't think that that's exactly what.
• 30:07
  That is on the field. But yeah, I thought that he was,
• 30:09
  he was trying to like, ironically, he was like puffing
• 30:13
  up his own masculinity to be like, all right, I'm proving
• 30:17
  myself. I'm going to like, I'm going to
• 30:19
  troll on this guy who's in charge and like show him who's
• 30:24
  boss, Which, yeah, OK, fucked up power dynamic.
• 30:27
  But I kind of, I read it really differently this time.
• 30:31
  And I really liked that they included it because I thought
• 30:34
  it, unfortunately, I did think it was funny.
• 30:37
  I know, I know. She was like, what?
• 30:41
  Because you just don't see that's the way like when you
• 30:44
  would watch things in the 80s and it me and you were doing a
• 30:47
  ROM com and you're like, ow what?
• 30:49
  I'm like, shut up woman and kiss me and that just kiss you.
• 30:52
  And like that was like, consider romance.
• 30:54
  Can you imagine grabbing the back of somebody's head?
• 30:56
  Yeah. Just playing crazy.
• 30:59
  It is crazy. And the guy shut up.
• 31:03
  The real life guy, he said. That did not happen.
• 31:08
  He's like, people ask me about that all the time and no, I did
• 31:10
  not kiss him in the Walker. First of all, we, we, we started
• 31:15
  talking about bows. They put a nice little bow on
• 31:18
  that one because when your team's starting Allstate
• 31:23
  linebacker has a a stranger walk into that locker room, doff his
• 31:30
  hat and kiss him like the end of Indiana Jones.
• 31:34
  Usually you're going to lose some respect with you in the
• 31:37
  locker room or in prison. Like you can't let that happen.
• 31:41
  And he was like, all right, man, let's chill out.
• 31:43
  And I was like, that's that's the bow.
• 31:45
  And you're like, but I have a question.
• 31:47
  We bowed it. And it was.
• 31:49
  Never discussed. It was never what's the the the
• 31:54
  young demo faison he brought up one more time in the lunch.
• 31:57
  Room. Yeah, that's where I think
• 31:59
  that's the point where it's like, we're supposed to not
• 32:04
  care. It's sort of.
• 32:04
  And I really liked that. I liked that he never said
• 32:07
  whether he was gay or not because Donald Faison's
• 32:10
  character is like, OK, man, so like, are you?
• 32:13
  And he's like, I don't know, am I?
• 32:17
  Yeah, it was very. He was like, doesn't he's like,
• 32:20
  well, it doesn't matter to me. He's like, well, if it doesn't
• 32:22
  matter, then and then that, that just.
• 32:26
  Ends and then you're like but what was the conclusion that
• 32:29
  conversation Bo that's it never mentioned again.
• 32:32
  So yeah I I thought that that was an interesting element.
• 32:37
  I had a few things that I had written down because I I was
• 32:40
  looking for the movie for and whenever movie I look at like
• 32:44
  what it's the golden age for what like it's the peak of what
• 32:47
  and I I would say a couple things.
• 32:51
  This is definitely the peak for the word hind parts.
• 32:55
  I have maybe heard that phrase once and I went to College in
• 32:59
  the South. My family's from the South.
• 33:01
  He used the word hind parts so much that it's.
• 33:06
  I don't know about you, but I feel like the euphemisms that
• 33:09
  people use instead of cursing are way.
• 33:11
  They're way weirder. Weirder and good.
• 33:13
  Like, yeah, hit him right in his prison pocket.
• 33:15
  You're like what? Like, Oh my God.
• 33:19
  Just say yeah, it's like the hind parts.
• 33:21
  Just really. The PG of this movie really was
• 33:25
  shining in those moments where they're like, this is a bunch of
• 33:29
  crap. And that was, yeah, the little
• 33:34
  girl used up the the crap a couple times, the hind parts.
• 33:37
  And the other thing I think this was the peak for was men wearing
• 33:43
  dress shirts and slacks at 9:47 at night.
• 33:48
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 33:49
  All times of the day you are dressed like you are having a
• 33:54
  casual but serious business lunch.
• 33:56
  Yeah, it's so weird. They really were.
• 34:00
  They were dressed to the nines and they really, it's
• 34:03
  interesting. This piece is almost like a,
• 34:05
  it's like 1970s nostalgia, but it's also a period piece about
• 34:12
  racism. So it's kind of interesting how
• 34:14
  they lean into the like, oh, look at the 1970s.
• 34:17
  They were so cool. Let's listen to, like, let's
• 34:21
  listen to all of this, like, classic 70's rock.
• 34:24
  And like, I don't know, the outfits and everything about the
• 34:29
  aesthetic is so 70s. And we're supposed to be like,
• 34:31
  oh, yeah, like, remember the 70s?
• 34:33
  I love that song. But then it's also like, yeah.
• 34:37
  And that was only at the time that this came out.
• 34:39
  It's like, that was only 30 years ago.
• 34:41
  And this is about the first time that this team has integrated.
• 34:46
  Yeah, and it was not going. Well, and it was not going well.
• 34:50
  I, I just, I mean, it's, it's very interesting.
• 34:52
  I have a weird relationship to movies like around this era, you
• 34:59
  know, because I had this very strange experience that happened
• 35:01
  to me in college. I did 2 years at Brown.
• 35:06
  I did my first two years at a small black school in
• 35:09
  Mississippi called Tougaloo. And when I was down at Tougaloo,
• 35:12
  they were filming A Time to Kill in Madison, Ms. My cousin Rayna,
• 35:19
  what was auditioning to be the court reporter in that movie.
• 35:23
  So I used to play a a lot to pick up basketball.
• 35:25
  And she was like, why don't you ride down here with me while I
• 35:27
  auditioned? So I was like, fine.
• 35:29
  So I'm playing basketball in the hood in the most rural part of
• 35:34
  Mississippi. She comes over to the court, she
• 35:36
  goes, they're auditioning young black dudes to be part of that
• 35:40
  group of kids that throws the malt health cocktail on the
• 35:44
  Klansmen. And I got the part shut.
• 35:47
  I'd never wanted to act. I never thought I just went over
• 35:50
  there and they were like, act out seeing your friend.
• 35:52
  I I think it was because I was so raw.
• 35:54
  Ohh. My God.
• 35:55
  That I just. I got it.
• 35:57
  I was for three days. I was on set, Sandra Bullock.
• 36:01
  I was in craft services. I didn't even know what craft
• 36:03
  services. I didn't know.
• 36:04
  I didn't know what a big deal it was.
• 36:06
  A star is born. I had no idea.
• 36:09
  That is so. Listen to the disappointing
• 36:11
  conclusion there. Was Oh no.
• 36:13
  There was my pre algebra teacher 'cause I was at remedial of
• 36:16
  math. For sure I get it.
• 36:18
  She found out that I got the part in the movie and she called
• 36:21
  me and she said she congratulated me and she was
• 36:23
  like, if you missed one more day of class, you're going to have
• 36:27
  to do it again next year. And I was so short sighted.
• 36:29
  I gave that roll up. So when you watch a A Time to
• 36:33
  Kill, there's and I knew those guys too.
• 36:36
  Like we were on set together for hours.
• 36:38
  The. Black kid that throws the
• 36:40
  Molotov cocktail on the Klansman and he lights up.
• 36:42
  That was supposed to be me. A hunt like that story's 1000%.
• 36:47
  True. And it was so, like, I was so
• 36:49
  naive. I didn't even realize how big
• 36:52
  getting a movie was. Yeah.
• 36:55
  And I wouldn't go in after show business for another eight years
• 37:01
  probably. So random.
• 37:03
  So random. Yeah, So anyway, so I have
• 37:06
  experience with, like, being on a movie set where there's racial
• 37:09
  strife because everybody's chilling.
• 37:12
  And then it's like, you know, and action, you whore.
• 37:16
  It's like, Jesus Christ. Oh my God, it's so weird 'cause
• 37:22
  it's like these people that were just standing in line with each
• 37:25
  other getting, you know, really good food, lobster linguine or
• 37:29
  something and talking about I'm on, I'm up for this other role
• 37:33
  on, you know, some daytime show. Not as soon as they and it just
• 37:37
  like, so it's just very this weird dynamic.
• 37:40
  So it's very hard for me to see those scenes with the moms
• 37:43
  against bussing and everything. I'd be like, oh, those people
• 37:45
  were hanging out all week together.
• 37:48
  But you feel it. I mean, it does.
• 37:50
  There's a tension there. It's a tension, like whenever
• 37:53
  you just see somebody in a clan outfit, even when they're
• 37:56
  acting, it's a visceral response, your body.
• 38:00
  Has I can't imagine. It was so, and it's in
• 38:03
  Mississippi. It's hot.
• 38:04
  It's where that shit went down. You know, there's a lot of
• 38:07
  elements. It's like we're acting, but it's
• 38:09
  like if there was domestic violence and then they made you
• 38:11
  go back to the house and we're acting.
• 38:13
  It's like. Holy shit.
• 38:14
  It's very hard to disassociate, so yeah.
• 38:16
  Whoa. And you went through all that
• 38:18
  and still didn't get to do the. I just want to.
• 38:21
  Go back and shake young Al and be like, here's what you do.
• 38:24
  You go up to your algebra teacher.
• 38:29
  You're pre algebra. You brush past her, you go
• 38:33
  straight to the dry erase board, and the first letter you write
• 38:35
  is F. And then you let me know when
• 38:39
  you're done writing. And then you go do a movie with
• 38:42
  Sandra Bullock and Charles Dutton.
• 38:45
  What? But it just shows you like, I
• 38:48
  don't think my kids would have made that mistake.
• 38:49
  I was so naive. I was really a child at college.
• 38:53
  Like you people at 17 hadn't done anything right.
• 38:57
  And so like I didn't know like, oh, this would be cool and
• 39:00
  residuals. I did line right.
• 39:02
  I would have been sad. I was.
• 39:03
  Just gonna say you could have been sad.
• 39:04
  I didn't know what the fuck Sag was.
• 39:06
  Oh my God. So crazy.
• 39:08
  But I, you know, I feel like if I pursue that, that's my sliding
• 39:12
  doors moment and maybe I go after acting and I'd stand up.
• 39:14
  And so like, yeah, that's how I lied to myself so I can sleep at
• 39:17
  night. 100% because we can't. We can't go there, right?
• 39:21
  We can't go there. Well, that's actually not how
• 39:23
  you sleep on that. How you sleep at night is
• 39:24
  watching tornado videos, which we've already established.
• 39:27
  Let me let me give you one more White Plains, Illinois.
• 39:32
  Oh my God, 1998. It's a calm day.
• 39:36
  Watson Elementary's just getting out and it's been a beautiful
• 39:39
  day thus far. A little Do they know?
• 39:41
  And it's just like, so depressing.
• 39:42
  I love a little. Do they?
• 39:43
  Know. Oh man.
• 39:44
  Little do they know they're about to get their shit wrong.
• 39:48
  My God. It's I I had a lot of a lot of
• 39:53
  fun. Are we watching this movie?
• 39:54
  But there was like there were some things.
• 39:56
  Let me let me see if there's anything else that.
• 39:58
  Oh, do you want to talk about the brick through the window?
• 40:00
  Oh, yeah, let's see. Oh, and the other the this was
• 40:02
  the golden age using calling somebody a Sissy.
• 40:06
  Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know.
• 40:08
  That's a lot. Well, yeah, and you know that a
• 40:13
  coach who unfortunately, five years later did get fired for
• 40:17
  alleged abuse of the players, I don't think he's calling them
• 40:21
  sissies. I don't think so.
• 40:23
  Either. I don't think so either, but I
• 40:24
  did. I did.
• 40:25
  Yelling California a lot of times it's such a.
• 40:32
  Lot of California. OK, now I wanted to know if you
• 40:36
  wanted to. Obviously, Gary Bertier very
• 40:42
  close to my heart. I have a close friend of mine,
• 40:44
  comedian Forrest Shaw, and we've known each other 25 years and
• 40:51
  every six months he'll just leave me a voicemail.
• 40:54
  And all to say is cannot replace Gary Bertier.
• 40:57
  That's all it is. He just loves that line.
• 41:00
  He loves that player. We all love Gary Bertier.
• 41:02
  Yeah, we do. But we need to talk about his
• 41:05
  accident. We need to talk about the
• 41:07
  accident. What are your thoughts set the
• 41:09
  scene for like why Gary ends up soloing it?
• 41:12
  Has there ever been a situation where the star linebacker leaves
• 41:15
  the pep rally by himself by. Himself come on, 'cause his
• 41:19
  girlfriend is still too racist to be with him and his and his
• 41:24
  bestie needs to hang out with his girl and so I guess that's
• 41:27
  it. But it is kind of, I mean, there
• 41:30
  is something to be said for like the person who might be the most
• 41:34
  popular but is truly the loneliest, you know, the person
• 41:38
  who's always surrounded by people but never really
• 41:42
  connecting with people. Which is probably how famous
• 41:44
  people feel because Justin Bieber can't meet anybody.
• 41:48
  No, you can't. Just you're on an island chat.
• 41:50
  You want to go to the mall? Sure, we'll close it for you.
• 41:52
  Yeah. Oh, you want to go to Disney
• 41:54
  World? We'll close it for you.
• 41:55
  They can't meet people. Can't just go to Disney World
• 41:58
  and be Justin Bieber. Right.
• 42:00
  They'll be a riot. Like people will die.
• 42:02
  Yeah, and in Alexandria, VA, football is a way of life.
• 42:06
  I don't know if you know that. That is what they say in the
• 42:08
  very beginning of the movie. The little girl in the movie, we
• 42:11
  find out that it was you really quickly.
• 42:14
  Side note, but just this made me think of it.
• 42:16
  I used to host a like a kid show, a Guinness Book of World
• 42:19
  record show that was on the BBC for years.
• 42:21
  That's so fun. And I had a Co host.
• 42:24
  It's really cool. Asian chick.
• 42:25
  And we did the show for seven years.
• 42:29
  Yeah, like year 2, we were sitting at the bar just having
• 42:31
  like a casual conversation talking about how we got in the
• 42:33
  business. And I was still drinking,
• 42:35
  obviously at that point. And I was like, oh, what did you
• 42:37
  do 'cause I remember she, she was like, oh, I have a house in
• 42:40
  London. I was like.
• 42:41
  You a house? Wow, you know, like you're like,
• 42:43
  where did where did our past die?
• 42:45
  But I was like, maybe, you know, it was like, maybe they call
• 42:48
  apartments houses over there, you know, And so they're so.
• 42:51
  Court, yeah, I was like those Brits and I.
• 42:53
  Was like, oh, what'd you do? And she said her first, she went
• 42:56
  to like, a performing arts college.
• 42:57
  And her first audition was when the guy from Blur was creating
• 43:01
  the gorillas to shut. And she was like, I was the
• 43:06
  chicken, the gorillas. And like, what?
• 43:08
  I almost fell off my bar stool. I was just, she just, she was
• 43:14
  such a cool. She like was the coolest chick
• 43:16
  I'd ever met. Of course she was.
• 43:17
  She was in the gorillas. Never mentioned it.
• 43:21
  She was a professional storyteller and she showed me
• 43:23
  pictures. She had like one of those Janet
• 43:25
  Jackson headsets and was telling stories like thousands of tiny,
• 43:29
  adorable Asian kids. And she also, she taught child
• 43:34
  martial art fight sequences for movies.
• 43:39
  I was like, are you a real? Person that's not.
• 43:41
  Real, she was the best person. So anyway, sorry, side note, but
• 43:44
  yeah, everybody, some people do have these weird side notes
• 43:46
  where they're like, oh, I was the kid.
• 43:48
  And yeah, you're like, what? That's help.
• 43:50
  Yeah, everybody's something. So.
• 43:52
  All right, so let's talk about Gary Bertier.
• 43:54
  And so he's, yeah, the likelihood that this guy, the
• 43:59
  most popular kid in school because.
• 44:01
  Because football is a way of life in Alexandria, VA.
• 44:05
  He is like the celebrity of the town, right?
• 44:08
  And so he's driving through town, it's kind of like a parade
• 44:12
  and he's waving at all the people and he's getting all of
• 44:15
  this love and attention. And then he gets hit by a semi
• 44:18
  and is paralyzed. In real life that guy actually
• 44:21
  did get in a car accident and get paralyzed and he did die in
• 44:26
  another car accident 10 years later, which is fucking wild my.
• 44:30
  Girl and I rewound that because we were like, my girl goes what?
• 44:33
  And I was like, what? And she's like, did you read
• 44:34
  that? I was like, no, I had to.
• 44:36
  I was like, wait, there was a second.
• 44:38
  There was a second car accident. So wild it was.
• 44:43
  Final destination to like what? What is happening?
• 44:46
  Family curse. I don't know.
• 44:47
  Maybe I don't know, but it's it is absolutely wild.
• 44:52
  I so yeah, I read that Gary Burtier actually did get in a
• 44:58
  car accident. It was after the state
• 45:00
  championship. You.
• 45:02
  Know so, but they had to do it for.
• 45:03
  But they had to do it before so that he could be shouting in the
• 45:07
  hospital bed. And also, it's not a good end of
• 45:09
  the story when the last thing that happens is this guy gets
• 45:13
  paralyzed, you know? They show that and then they go.
• 45:16
  And then he died 10 years later in a similar accident.
• 45:19
  You can't end the movie. Like that, Yeah, you got to do
• 45:21
  it. You got to do it before you got
• 45:23
  to give everyone a chance to step up, you know, but he sorry,
• 45:28
  that was maybe a little incentive since he can't step
• 45:32
  anymore, but. No, I'm not going to say that
• 45:35
  because I mean, yeah, but I just, maybe I'm picking a NIT
• 45:41
  here, but I had an issue with the accident itself because it
• 45:47
  was extremely strange. Because he's being lauded by the
• 45:51
  townspeople that have formed a Soul Train line of love for him
• 45:57
  to go down honking. We love you.
• 45:59
  We love. You and he's going about two
• 46:00
  miles an hour. About two, yeah.
• 46:02
  He gets to the last guy and the guy goes Gary Bertier, we love
• 46:05
  you. And he points at the guy.
• 46:07
  His signature Gary Bertier points.
• 46:10
  I don't know if the foot that was on the accelerator was
• 46:14
  connected to his arm, but Molly, when he pointed to this man,
• 46:21
  inexplicably, he decided to floor it but continue to look at
• 46:29
  that guy. So the car just started
• 46:32
  accelerating in this weird way and the accident happened and it
• 46:38
  was like, you love Gary, but I was like, Gary, that is your
• 46:41
  fault, dog. Like you not only were you not
• 46:44
  looking through the intersection, you, you just
• 46:46
  speed up for No, it was the weirdest accident and it kind of
• 46:52
  took me out of it. And what brought me back weirdly
• 46:55
  is like, you know, when you they got it, the one of the last bows
• 47:00
  we get the second to last, because the last one I consider
• 47:03
  to be Emma is and my girlfriend was like, what it's like, you
• 47:08
  know, they got to make it that it's OK that he's paralyzed and
• 47:11
  it's OK if you're if you're in a wheelchair, that's it.
• 47:13
  Your family, who cares? But it's the fact that they they
• 47:17
  got a tabe on it. So they go, are you upset that
• 47:21
  you're in a wheelchair? You goes they got Olympics bow
• 47:25
  and that's it. It's not.
• 47:27
  But then get some pictures because he went.
• 47:29
  To the Olympics, because he actually did.
• 47:31
  Yeah, he had he's he's like an actual Olympian.
• 47:33
  He won the shot put. Yeah, so show us that.
• 47:37
  Show us. That, yeah.
• 47:38
  So I don't know. That would have been a cool
• 47:40
  picture and I think really inspiring for people that have,
• 47:44
  you know, suffered injuries where they've lost the ability
• 47:47
  to because since the year 2000, think about how many people saw
• 47:50
  that and then went on to have something happen and be like,
• 47:53
  I'm going to be like Gary Bruchier.
• 47:55
  Now we see those. We see those athletes a lot.
• 47:57
  But I don't think in the year 2000, I think people would just
• 48:00
  like, go get your wheelchair. That's it, bro.
• 48:02
  And he had the foresight to be like, Nah, dog.
• 48:04
  Yeah, we doing this? Totally.
• 48:06
  But then, if they had done that, they wouldn't have had time to
• 48:10
  sing hey, hey, hey, goodbye at the funerals.
• 48:16
  I need to know your thoughts. I'm going to sip.
• 48:19
  I can imagine by that point you were probably a little fatigued
• 48:22
  by just like the singing. Please don't.
• 48:25
  Don't not at. The you knew.
• 48:27
  You knew they were going to. But is that the song?
• 48:34
  Because yeah, the sports nerd in me always thinks that na na na
• 48:40
  na is literally the word na na na is kind of.
• 48:44
  It plays two roles because the home team chants that when the
• 48:48
  visiting team has no chance to win the game anymore and they
• 48:52
  start to. So it's kind of like a mocking
• 48:54
  chant as I've always heard it. I've never heard it in a very.
• 48:58
  Never heard it as like bye. Yeah, like it's.
• 49:02
  Like goodbye. Yeah, yeah, yeah, over it.
• 49:05
  It should have been like, I don't think it was out yet, but
• 49:06
  maybe, maybe was end of the road out in 2000.
• 49:10
  Well, not 1971, so. I guess it was 10 years later,
• 49:13
  so 81. Yeah, so that's not yeah, that's
• 49:16
  not out, but I just would think that there'd be a better
• 49:19
  homecoming song than that in terms of like somebody is going
• 49:25
  to the next they're transitioning into whatever you
• 49:28
  think the next life is. If you think there is a next
• 49:30
  life and I that song fit as well as like We Will Rock you it just
• 49:38
  I didn't see it in. There.
• 49:40
  It didn't fit to me. Can I ask you really quickly
• 49:43
  about Emma's handshake right before the game started?
• 49:46
  You can ask me about Emma's handshake.
• 49:48
  Because you know, when she breaks up with Gary Burtier, it
• 49:56
  really kind of initiates when Gary's on the sidewalk after
• 49:59
  being they were basically thrown out of a bar for being.
• 50:06
  It is weird that like a gay man and two black guys were shocked
• 50:11
  that they were thrown out of a bar in Virginia.
• 50:12
  I was like, you guys probably shouldn't go in there.
• 50:14
  I OK, I actually do have to say something about this, but let's
• 50:17
  OK, should we come back to it or should I?
• 50:20
  Yeah, let me because I'm going to ask you a question.
• 50:22
  So they're on the sidewalk and Emma, her home girl and two
• 50:27
  dudes, is an unseen dude in that passenger seat.
• 50:31
  Pull up like, yeah, we're going to the pointer with a kissing
• 50:34
  rocket wherever they're going. And I felt like that car
• 50:36
  represented whiteness and racism.
• 50:42
  And he had to make the the decision of living a life of
• 50:46
  privilege in a car or walking the sidewalk with his rainbow
• 50:52
  coalition of friends. With the Gay Straight Alliance.
• 50:58
  Really, it was like, it was a real dichotomy of like standing
• 51:02
  versus them being in the car. And, you know, he makes the
• 51:05
  decision that he makes. Emma previously snubbed Wood
• 51:10
  Harris's character Julius, on a handshake.
• 51:12
  And so she decides to give him that handshake seconds before he
• 51:17
  takes the field for the championship.
• 51:19
  Game. Somehow she gets on the field.
• 51:20
  How? Did she get down there?
• 51:22
  We don't know. Why did she think that that was
• 51:24
  the moment? She could.
• 51:28
  The movie's been leading up to this, and it's just like, it'd
• 51:31
  be like if I if, like, you were about to do a karate tournament
• 51:36
  and I walked up to you right before the referee said fight.
• 51:39
  And I was like, Hey, I think I broke your remote.
• 51:42
  So, so not the time to just like, I don't care about that.
• 51:46
  Handshakes. I don't care.
• 51:47
  I don't give a shit about her. I don't know about her.
• 51:51
  I don't care that she has had this reckoning and decided that
• 51:55
  she's not racist anymore. I don't care about her.
• 51:58
  I don't know her. We don't know her.
• 52:01
  We don't care. Right, we don't care.
• 52:03
  No, because every opportunity she had to do something shitty,
• 52:06
  she took it. She did.
• 52:07
  She snubbed him. Yeah.
• 52:08
  Left her boyfriend clearly going to bang the other guy.
• 52:11
  What are they going to have a threesome with the one girl?
• 52:13
  No, that is the silent friend. Like yo, I got a girl for you.
• 52:17
  Herman's tripping. Yeah, you can you can get in
• 52:19
  there, and that's why that guy was in the front.
• 52:21
  So even if he was going to go, what was up with that?
• 52:23
  What are they going to all posse up?
• 52:24
  Come on, they. Knew that he wasn't going.
• 52:26
  To go I'm not down with Team Emma in any way.
• 52:28
  And she said something that was so, so odd to me.
• 52:32
  She said that. Was it odd than the phrase
• 52:37
  You're overcooking my grits, which is what Boone said
• 52:41
  earlier. She's yeah, that was wild.
• 52:44
  But she said something. God, I wish that I had had
• 52:47
  written it down, but it was basically like we're, we're just
• 52:50
  growing in the wrong directions or something like that.
• 52:54
  And it was like. She said something like, I'm not
• 52:56
  growing as fast as you are. Yeah.
• 52:59
  And it was. Just it was like, I don't know
• 53:01
  that that's really the, that's really the thing to say right
• 53:05
  now, but I but I do want to go back to that scene where
• 53:08
  Sunshine and the and the other three guys go into the
• 53:11
  restaurant and then they're turned away.
• 53:13
  I actually really liked that part because I felt like
• 53:20
  Sunshine was the one that was like, no guys, come on, it's
• 53:23
  going to be fine. It's going to be fine.
• 53:24
  Racism is over. I'm with you, it'll be fine.
• 53:28
  And then of course, they come back out because they've been
• 53:32
  kicked out. And the other three guys are
• 53:35
  like, look, we told you. Because he's like, I didn't
• 53:37
  know, I didn't know. And they said you didn't want to
• 53:39
  know. And I was like, there it is,
• 53:42
  there it is. He didn't want to believe that
• 53:46
  he was still getting this privilege over them.
• 53:50
  He didn't want to believe that racism still existed in this
• 53:54
  town despite the fact that they're doing really well at
• 53:56
  football. And I was really.
• 54:00
  I mean, I do think it's weird that they still, I mean, despite
• 54:03
  the fact that they were like, yeah, this is not going to work
• 54:06
  out well. They're like, well, we'll just
• 54:07
  go in and try anyway. I'm like, I don't think those
• 54:09
  guys would have done that. Absolutely not.
• 54:11
  But I liked how they called him out after and it was sort of
• 54:15
  this moment of like, oh, yeah, we're not at camp anymore.
• 54:19
  We're not, We're not in our little isolated world anymore.
• 54:22
  Like, this is real life. And I think maybe I'm guessing
• 54:25
  probably one of them even said exactly that, you know, because
• 54:28
  they don't really leave a whole lot of room for interpretation
• 54:31
  in this movie. They probably did say we're not
• 54:33
  at camp anymore. Something like.
• 54:35
  That we're not there. But yeah, I think you're exactly
• 54:38
  right. And it does.
• 54:39
  I love situations like that in that there is not these polar
• 54:44
  opposites where California was trying to embarrass him because
• 54:47
  embarrass him because he's a bad person.
• 54:49
  And the black guys in that situation were just these
• 54:52
  perfect people. It was life.
• 54:55
  It was a person that, you know, it's it was assumed to be gay.
• 54:58
  But obviously that besides having long hair, he really
• 55:02
  didn't stand out that much from anybody else in the town.
• 55:05
  So he was of a disadvantaged group of people.
• 55:10
  But hoping and wishing that racism or sexism or homophobia
• 55:16
  or xenophobia doesn't exist is a good thing.
• 55:19
  And I think it's very plausible and I'm sure we are all of
• 55:23
  guilty of it that we try and forget about it because it sucks
• 55:27
  so bad. And we want to just be like, you
• 55:30
  know, hey, I just, you know, it'll be fine, even though, you
• 55:34
  know, it probably won't. There's a party that just like
• 55:37
  just tonight, can you guys not suck and just let it play?
• 55:40
  And it's like, no. And so I understand the position
• 55:43
  of just like, because the mind always wants to kind of relax
• 55:45
  itself. It doesn't want to think it's
• 55:46
  under threat. So you do convince yourself
• 55:48
  racism isn't that bad. I can speak from personal
• 55:52
  experience with the Me Too movement that hit right when,
• 55:57
  you know, we were at the height of our talk show and really we
• 56:00
  saw the beginning, middle and kind of like the teetering out
• 56:03
  of it in terms of it being at the forefront of public
• 56:06
  conversation. And when it first came about, I
• 56:09
  was like, of course there's sexism, you know, we've seen
• 56:12
  cases of it, but I was like, everybody's had experiences.
• 56:16
  And then, like every woman that I know, love, knew slightly had
• 56:25
  these stories that never made the news.
• 56:27
  And they'd just be like, oh, yeah, my, my manager at, you
• 56:32
  know, chain restaurant here. Yeah.
• 56:35
  He used to make us all. We, we, he used to guess what
• 56:39
  color underwear we were wearing. And it's just like, it was.
• 56:42
  And you're just like, you're like.
• 56:44
  Wait, this is. As a person that knew that it
• 56:46
  was happening, didn't know that it was on this scale, and then
• 56:50
  it touched everybody in the things that people would say out
• 56:53
  loud and just like shocked, you know?
• 56:57
  Because if you don't live it, you're like, I know it's bad,
• 56:59
  but I didn't know it was like these dudes are cuz if you don't
• 57:02
  live that, if you don't feel that way, you assume you're not
• 57:05
  that different from other people.
• 57:06
  But apparently. Apparently.
• 57:09
  Yeah, it's it was something else.
• 57:11
  So yeah, that was a really great underrated scene.
• 57:13
  Yeah, because he The thing is like, he had good intentions,
• 57:19
  but he still put his friends in danger.
• 57:20
  Absolutely. You know, 'cause they could
• 57:22
  easily block the door and be like, hey, y'all ain't going
• 57:24
  nowhere, Yeah. Exactly.
• 57:26
  Exactly. Very much so.
• 57:27
  So, so, so I liked that they did that even though it was kind of
• 57:31
  like that wouldn't happen, still illustrated something that I
• 57:35
  thought was important. So, OK, what do you think about
• 57:41
  the the whole like he's not getting into the Hall of Fame
• 57:46
  thing and like the whole Hall of Fame debacle?
• 57:50
  Like how do you feel like that fit in to the movie?
• 57:54
  Do you feel like they did it well or do you feel like it was
• 57:57
  just maybe a little far fetched? I felt like it was.
• 58:01
  It just, it seemed like it was very flippant because those same
• 58:04
  people were just like, just give me a second.
• 58:06
  We're going to get this black out of here.
• 58:08
  They tried to cheat with the refs.
• 58:10
  They tried to, you know, tank him every single way.
• 58:13
  And I think they were trying to hammer home the the idea that if
• 58:18
  you truly believe in a principle, it may result in you
• 58:21
  giving up the one thing you care about most.
• 58:24
  Yeah, and I did not look up. Do you know if he ever he had to
• 58:28
  have gotten in the Hall of Fame? Yeah, probably.
• 58:30
  I'm assuming so. But I'm like, even with the
• 58:33
  whole Hall of Fame, was it worth losing your wife?
• 58:39
  It all comes back to daddy work too.
• 58:40
  Hard daddy work too hard. If you lost, your wife became a
• 58:46
  single parent. With an annoying as fuck little
• 58:50
  kid. And all.
• 58:51
  And it all comes down to a bunch of weathered old white guys
• 58:56
  deciding on whether you're going to get in this Hall of Fame that
• 58:58
  nobody ever talks about. No one's ever been like, oh, oh,
• 59:01
  Jacob from dude, IDK where are you this weekend?
• 59:03
  I was at the West Virginia High School Hall of Fame.
• 59:07
  No one has ever cared. No one's talking about it, and
• 59:09
  I'm not. Trying to like, I know it was a
• 59:11
  big deal to him, but you know, his character was very strange
• 59:19
  because he was a he was a guy that loved football.
• 59:22
  I feel like he fairly unfair. I'm not about to say nothing was
• 59:27
  fair in 1960. So he loses his job due to no
• 59:30
  fault of his own. He then makes a decision to be
• 59:34
  an assistant coach under Coach Boone and he's shown as this
• 59:39
  kind of figure that's that's willing to acquiesce.
• 59:44
  But at the same time, I don't really get his motivation.
• 59:48
  I don't know if he was just trying to be a good guy.
• 59:52
  I didn't really. He just seemed like he spoke in
• 59:54
  like, platitudes. Well, I'm behind you, coach.
• 59:57
  It's like, what is behind this person that like is so down with
• 1:00:01
  helping this black guy? I was like, can you maybe if you
• 1:00:03
  showed your wife some love, like seriously.
• 1:00:05
  Like it just seemed like maybe he was just obsessed with
• 1:00:08
  football, but he was willing to walk away from being a coach
• 1:00:10
  totally. So I didn't really get his
• 1:00:13
  motivation for being so malleable about this one thing
• 1:00:17
  that he loves that cost him the love of his life.
• 1:00:21
  But maybe he didn't really like her that.
• 1:00:23
  Much Maybe. Maybe.
• 1:00:25
  Maybe it was an excuse to get away from her.
• 1:00:27
  Maybe she he just didn't really like her that much.
• 1:00:29
  And he's like, oh, I've got to work again.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah, just to go back to that sad shed, Can you imagine how
• 1:00:35
  hot it was in Virginia? You know, there was no AC for
• 1:00:38
  another 10-12 years. Yeah, just like Dad's in his
• 1:00:41
  shed again. Yeah, there he is.
• 1:00:43
  Just. Melting.
• 1:00:44
  I just thought he was Coach Joe's character.
• 1:00:48
  Just I don't think that you could look at that and not like
• 1:00:53
  him, but I don't think that you could watch that movie and love
• 1:00:56
  him because they don't show you enough of him.
• 1:00:58
  Yeah, because all he is is football.
• 1:01:00
  Yeah. But then at the same time, yeah,
• 1:01:02
  he is willing to take an assistant coach position.
• 1:01:05
  But it's also it's like, what were his other options?
• 1:01:08
  He could go to whatever, like some other school and some other
• 1:01:10
  community. Could take the year off, yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Yeah, but it's like, I don't know, I think that he loved
• 1:01:15
  football too much to not coach, even if it was as an assistant
• 1:01:19
  coach. Or at least that's what we're
• 1:01:20
  meant to believe. Yeah, I I guess so.
• 1:01:22
  And I do like that he suggested they were at camp 2 very strange
• 1:01:29
  things happened. They were sitting down to eat
• 1:01:30
  for the first time. Denzel Washington.
• 1:01:33
  Coach Boone does maybe the weirdest thing I've ever seen in
• 1:01:35
  a movie. He puts a singular grape on the
• 1:01:38
  spoon. Yeah, he does.
• 1:01:39
  And eats it. That's that's, I'm sorry, serial
• 1:01:43
  killer behavior. That's not insane.
• 1:01:45
  It took me out of the movie. Yeah, Yep, same.
• 1:01:49
  I was like, where was that grape?
• 1:01:50
  Where did it come from? Why is it on a spoon?
• 1:01:54
  A spoon and he left it there to deliver a line and basically the
• 1:01:58
  line was like again, sports nerd, check out if you want to.
• 1:02:01
  But he goes, hey, we want to make the guys engage, so maybe
• 1:02:05
  we start talking about some trick plays right at the
• 1:02:08
  beginning of camp. You guys are just getting in
• 1:02:11
  shape. You guys are barely glancing at
• 1:02:13
  the playbook. You're just trying to bond.
• 1:02:15
  You're trying to just kind of get an idea of what kind of
• 1:02:18
  offense you guys are going to run.
• 1:02:19
  The idea of throwing and a trick play would be like, hey, we just
• 1:02:22
  got our podcast set up. Miley didn't really know.
• 1:02:25
  She's doing. I don't really know where these
• 1:02:27
  chords go. We're going to try and do a live
• 1:02:29
  stream. It's just like you are going way
• 1:02:32
  too far. You you got to slow it down.
• 1:02:35
  Way to trick play Trick play The players are yelling racial slurs
• 1:02:40
  at each. Other you're making them
• 1:02:43
  interview each other to humanize them.
• 1:02:47
  Grudgingly. Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  All right, Molly's mom's. Name is all right.
• 1:02:51
  Jesus, don't say my mom if you're going to mention with
• 1:02:53
  that. Yeah, seriously.
• 1:02:54
  Oh, the the Your Mama jokes. Those were great.
• 1:02:57
  I'm sorry. I do.
• 1:02:58
  I do love those. That was pretty funny.
• 1:03:01
  Do you think that was the highlight of the movie for the
• 1:03:04
  big guy? What was his name?
• 1:03:05
  Kyle. Oh, his name is.
• 1:03:07
  It starts. It starts with.
• 1:03:10
  An. F it's oh, it's Louie, Louie.
• 1:03:18
  Where else do we know him from? He's in a few other things he's
• 1:03:21
  been in. He's been in some TV shows and
• 1:03:24
  in some movies. And he's also married to
• 1:03:29
  somebody famous. Juliette Lewis's sister, really.
• 1:03:33
  And a Scientologist. Oh.
• 1:03:36
  Just some facts about that guy. But yeah, I felt like that was
• 1:03:41
  probably the highlight for him. I did.
• 1:03:46
  I did think that it was nice that nobody made fun of him for
• 1:03:51
  being fat. That was pretty cool that we
• 1:03:55
  just had a fat guy who fits some of the tropes.
• 1:03:58
  But he wasn't the butt of every joke.
• 1:04:00
  He was the new kid in town and it was kind of he he was sweet
• 1:04:04
  and naive, not that bright, but wasn't, you know, wasn't the
• 1:04:09
  butt of every joke. He didn't have to overcome his,
• 1:04:13
  you know, fatness to become a good player or something like
• 1:04:17
  that. Like he was just good at
• 1:04:18
  football. Yeah, and his I think it you hit
• 1:04:21
  it right on the head. His motivation to play with
• 1:04:23
  pure. I just want to hit people
• 1:04:25
  because I'm not good at school ends up having a very heartfelt
• 1:04:29
  scene over a C minus average. No shade, but it was a beautiful
• 1:04:33
  thing. He got into college and like,
• 1:04:36
  yeah, had it seems like he had a great life.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, I think he had a good life.
• 1:04:39
  Shout out, shout out and shout out to Coach Boone saying, you
• 1:04:42
  bring me your test scores every week and we'll work on.
• 1:04:45
  It's like, well, by the time I've taken the test, I've
• 1:04:47
  already gotten the F coach. Right.
• 1:04:49
  We need to get. You're going to look at them
• 1:04:52
  with me and tell me I'm a Sissy, but maybe that'll motivate me.
• 1:04:54
  Here's another F Molly, Maybe we can meet on Mondays.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah. Oh God.
• 1:05:03
  OK, one, one final thing that I feel like I wanted to address is
• 1:05:08
  do you think that they maybe had to lean too much into Coach
• 1:05:15
  Boone being like the model minority?
• 1:05:18
  Like the first thing we learn about him is that he's like, I
• 1:05:20
  don't miss an appointment. And he's like telling the kids
• 1:05:23
  that they need to like wear their suits and look nice and
• 1:05:27
  presentable. And he's very, you know, the man
• 1:05:29
  means business. And I couldn't decide if it was
• 1:05:32
  like, you know, they're just showing a man who is really type
• 1:05:35
  A and high strung like the real life person or was was it like
• 1:05:42
  they needed to make sure that they portrayed this black guy as
• 1:05:46
  model minority and not as, I don't know, a guy who's late to
• 1:05:50
  appointments. Right.
• 1:05:51
  No, definitely. I mean, I think it can be.
• 1:05:54
  I think it could be both things at once.
• 1:05:56
  And I really thought that his character, Coach Boone,
• 1:05:59
  paralleled Morgan Freeman's character.
• 1:06:02
  We talked about earlier and Lean on Me, where the black men of
• 1:06:06
  that era were raised. A lot of them were raised by
• 1:06:11
  parents that were like to be a black man in society because
• 1:06:15
  there's so many things working against you, you have to be
• 1:06:17
  perfect. And I think that ended up being
• 1:06:20
  beneficial because they knew when they were going up for any
• 1:06:24
  job, any position, that they were already at a disadvantage.
• 1:06:27
  And so that work for them professionally.
• 1:06:30
  The problem is, and we saw this as well and Lean on Me is
• 1:06:35
  socially and interpersonally. It's horrible because people are
• 1:06:40
  like, Hey, welcome to the welcome to my high school and
• 1:06:43
  you go to extend your hand. I'm like, look in your hand
• 1:06:46
  like, why aren't you in third period?
• 1:06:48
  And you're like, I just came to say hi and welcome.
• 1:06:51
  Because they don't they can't switch from that mode because
• 1:06:54
  that mode is the only way that they can get to where they're
• 1:06:56
  going. So I, I wonder if that probably,
• 1:07:01
  if you ask people that were raised by men of that
• 1:07:03
  generation, guys that were in their 30s and 40s, in the early
• 1:07:08
  80s, late 70s, that we're trying to become professionals in a
• 1:07:11
  white world that wasn't going to accept them really from another
• 1:07:14
  10/15/20 years, how that resonated with their families.
• 1:07:19
  Because I have a lot of friends. They were just like, you know,
• 1:07:22
  my dad was a great provider and a good guy, but you couldn't
• 1:07:26
  relax because, you know, if you're sitting on the couch, sit
• 1:07:28
  up, you know, like, Jesus Christ, it's Saturday morning.
• 1:07:31
  I know you know, you're like, holy shit, Dad sucks, but it's
• 1:07:35
  just like Dad has to be in that mode because he's it.
• 1:07:39
  There's no other mode that doesn't land him on a chain gang
• 1:07:43
  or in the military. So I think that was a great
• 1:07:46
  question. I think that's why those
• 1:07:48
  personality types ended up to being the first black insert
• 1:07:52
  here. You know, a fighter pilot,
• 1:07:55
  principal, you know, all these things.
• 1:07:58
  Head coach, you had to be a hard ass.
• 1:08:00
  You can't be, I've always said like true equality is when you
• 1:08:05
  can just be average and be random totally, you know, like.
• 1:08:10
  When your life just matters because you are alive.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah, and you can suck. That would be great.
• 1:08:16
  If like when there's like a Blackhead coach in the NBA and
• 1:08:18
  he stinks, I'm like that's a quality.
• 1:08:20
  They hired an under qualified person and he didn't have to be
• 1:08:26
  Jackie Robinson. It was like I'm going to go up
• 1:08:28
  to hit a baseball. They say it's the hardest thing
• 1:08:30
  to do in the world. And 10,000 racial slurs and
• 1:08:33
  death threats. They said Hank Aaron, who broke
• 1:08:36
  the Babe Ruth's home run record. The FBI said he got the most
• 1:08:39
  recorded death threats of anybody that's ever lived.
• 1:08:42
  Think about that and you're trying to hit a baseball.
• 1:08:44
  And yeah, you're trying to focus on any.
• 1:08:46
  And so it's just like you have to be that level of human being.
• 1:08:50
  And I just want to see a world where a lot of average ass black
• 1:08:54
  people get fired for showing up late four days in a row.
• 1:08:59
  That's real equality. When you can just be a person,
• 1:09:02
  you can be the best or the worst or somewhere in the middle.
• 1:09:05
  And we we can all just kind of figure out path in his life.
• 1:09:08
  That's why I don't care that much that Howard Boone and ended
• 1:09:13
  up getting fired five years later.
• 1:09:15
  You know, it's like it does kind of sour the movie for me a
• 1:09:18
  little. You know, it kind of makes the,
• 1:09:20
  you know, all the sissies and all that kind of it paints it in
• 1:09:25
  a different light. But honestly, it doesn't make me
• 1:09:28
  say like, we need to cancel Howard Boone.
• 1:09:31
  You know, like I'm not like, you know, it's, it's, it's like he
• 1:09:35
  was probably doing the same shit that every other football coach
• 1:09:40
  in the 1970s was doing. And football coaches even now,
• 1:09:45
  you know, it's like, yeah, they're all, they're all talking
• 1:09:49
  shit to their teenage players. Even when I played high school
• 1:09:53
  basketball in the 90s, my coach and it's funny because people
• 1:09:58
  don't find this as funny as me. He was just like a jerk and he
• 1:10:02
  would just yell things at practice that would like just
• 1:10:04
  get you. I remember one time we were
• 1:10:06
  running wind sprints and he stopped the team for running and
• 1:10:10
  he goes, hold on, hold on, Jackson, are you out here just
• 1:10:14
  to show us that all black men aren't fast?
• 1:10:26
  So that's funny and like, Oh my God, like you could not say
• 1:10:32
  that, but it was that was a, that was a, that was a zinger
• 1:10:35
  that, that that's they would meet 20-30.
• 1:10:38
  I mean, that was so funny. And it's like, you can't say
• 1:10:42
  that anymore, but I was like, damn.
• 1:10:44
  But like those men existed and not they don't anymore.
• 1:10:47
  Those guys have all been fired from whatever position.
• 1:10:50
  But I, I think you're right. I think that that's personality
• 1:10:53
  type that has a short shelf life, but it's it's like, it's
• 1:10:59
  like having like a flamethrower. If you need to to get rid of a
• 1:11:02
  forest to get somewhere, OK, it's great.
• 1:11:06
  But like the small things it doesn't work on well.
• 1:11:08
  And that's kind of like that personality is only good for
• 1:11:12
  space and time, and then it's five years got to go.
• 1:11:14
  It works for when your community is at a total crossroads and you
• 1:11:20
  need to bring this team together and you need to like make sure
• 1:11:24
  that everyone is really falling in line so that you can
• 1:11:28
  accomplish this goal. But then it's like, OK, so then
• 1:11:31
  they they integrated the team. Every, every game was a blowout.
• 1:11:35
  They're doing great. And it's like, maybe once the
• 1:11:38
  dust settles, then they're like, well, you got to stop calling US
• 1:11:42
  Californians now. Now you can't keep doing that.
• 1:11:47
  It's not really it's there's not really as much of A purpose for.
• 1:11:51
  It and I don't know if there's a switch for that.
• 1:11:53
  I don't think there's. A.
• 1:11:54
  Cool ass coach. Boom.
• 1:11:55
  It's like, take your shoes off, put them on my coffee table.
• 1:11:57
  It's fine. I don't know if he ever chills
• 1:12:00
  out. And I think that a lot of guys
• 1:12:02
  from that era, if you talk to the kids that they raised, were
• 1:12:06
  like, my dad was a great man and a good man and a man of his
• 1:12:10
  convictions. But I wish I could have seen him
• 1:12:14
  laugh more, you know? And they never got a chance to
• 1:12:17
  because their life was warfare everywhere.
• 1:12:20
  You went to the store and just like, yeah, we don't have any
• 1:12:23
  soda. It's.
• 1:12:24
  I can see it over your shoulder. We're out.
• 1:12:26
  Imagine that's every day. Every day.
• 1:12:27
  You know, like, it's very hard to take your armor off and just
• 1:12:30
  be like, hey, let's kick it today.
• 1:12:32
  You know, So I get where that personality type comes from.
• 1:12:36
  And I get where that personality type makes you say I want to get
• 1:12:39
  50 miles away from this person right now.
• 1:12:41
  Yeah. 100%, yeah. Well, listen, what else do we
• 1:12:45
  need to talk about? Is there anything else that we
• 1:12:46
  didn't address? I think that is it.
• 1:12:49
  Is there one more thing? Because if I leave anything on
• 1:12:51
  here, I'll be like we have no water.
• 1:12:56
  We talked about that hind parts. Oh.
• 1:12:58
  I must say that that the screenwriter Gregory Allen
• 1:13:03
  Howard is the first African American screenwriter in
• 1:13:07
  Hollywood history to write a script for $100 million
• 1:13:13
  generating motion picture drama, and the only African American
• 1:13:17
  screenwriter in film history to write a spec script that
• 1:13:20
  garnered $100 million in revenue.
• 1:13:23
  Wow, yeah, 100 million. I mean, this movie really hit
• 1:13:27
  and I mean it, it it I feel like for when it was made, it held up
• 1:13:33
  incredibly well. And I know people you can pick
• 1:13:36
  it apart now. It's like it was 2000.
• 1:13:38
  Go back and watch reality TV. You have to add a show where he
• 1:13:41
  was kissing 19 year olds in the mouth.
• 1:13:42
  That's true On syndicated television.
• 1:13:44
  Everybody was like, cool. So like we were not all the way
• 1:13:48
  there yet. So shout out.
• 1:13:50
  I think we have hit everything. I have the uniforms I'll
• 1:13:54
  fitting. Yes, that's very true.
• 1:13:57
  And let's say there was one more thing that I had.
• 1:14:01
  OK, No, I think I think that's it.
• 1:14:04
  We talked about everything. Wow.
• 1:14:07
  OK, actually I will say one more thing that actually really
• 1:14:10
  brought a smile to my face is that so at the time it got like
• 1:14:15
  mixed but generally positive ish reviews.
• 1:14:20
  But then over time it's become like more and more appreciated.
• 1:14:25
  But when it came out, Roger Ebert in his review basically
• 1:14:29
  was like, it's not radical enough.
• 1:14:31
  It's like, let's see what he said, he said.
• 1:14:35
  Still, the story sweeps certain obvious questions under the rug.
• 1:14:39
  One, we see that the whites don't want to play with the
• 1:14:42
  blacks and are afraid of losing their starting positions.
• 1:14:44
  But what about the black students?
• 1:14:46
  Weren't they in a black high school last year?
• 1:14:48
  Aren't they losing their team, too?
• 1:14:50
  Aren't some of them going to be replaced by white starters?
• 1:14:52
  The movie shows the whites. The movie shows the whites as
• 1:14:58
  resentful and possessive, but assumes that the black players
• 1:15:01
  are grateful for the chance to leave their old school and
• 1:15:03
  integrate into the other team. And then it says whether the
• 1:15:07
  Titans win or lose has nothing to do with the season they have
• 1:15:10
  played and what they were trying to do.
• 1:15:12
  But it has everything to do with the movie sleight of hand, which
• 1:15:15
  is we cheer the closing touchdown as if it's a victory
• 1:15:18
  over racism. He was basically like, they
• 1:15:21
  didn't solve racism, but they made it look like it's that easy
• 1:15:25
  to score a touchdown and race and racism is gone.
• 1:15:29
  And I thought that was like, I was like, wow, that's that's
• 1:15:33
  kind of delightful that in the year 2000 that Roger Ebert was
• 1:15:36
  like, no. It's yeah, he, I mean, he's
• 1:15:41
  totally right. And it kind of goes back to what
• 1:15:43
  I was saying earlier where there is a part of all of us, I think,
• 1:15:49
  inside where we just want to feel like at least for a moment,
• 1:15:52
  because we all have the struggles of the world that
• 1:15:54
  like, for one night, it was all right.
• 1:15:57
  And it probably wasn't. There were probably half the
• 1:16:00
  people in those stands. Like, I ain't cheering for that
• 1:16:02
  team, but they didn't put the camera on them.
• 1:16:05
  And in a weird way, it's OK because they're always going to
• 1:16:08
  be people that suck. And every once in a while, even
• 1:16:13
  if it's not true, you just want to thank the good guys. 1 And
• 1:16:16
  that's where Based on a True Story comes in.
• 1:16:18
  They're like close enough. Don't look it up if you don't
• 1:16:21
  want to know. If you don't want to know, don't
• 1:16:23
  look it up. It's close enough.
• 1:16:24
  Everything's tied up in a boat. Stop asking questions.
• 1:16:27
  Just enjoy it. Yeah, just sit down and enjoy a
• 1:16:29
  movie. That's what I think.
• 1:16:30
  Was California gay? There's your bow.
• 1:16:32
  Here's your bow. Yeah, who cares?
• 1:16:33
  Yeah. Was it was this a real story?
• 1:16:35
  We already put the bow on it and it kind of makes you feel, yeah,
• 1:16:37
  it's over. Yeah, no more questions.
• 1:16:39
  Yeah, exactly. So, well, I am so glad that we
• 1:16:42
  did this. Tell the people what you've got
• 1:16:43
  going on, What's going on in your world?
• 1:16:45
  Where do you want people to find you?
• 1:16:47
  Oh just find me on Instagram at Al Jackson IG.
• 1:16:52
  Lots of fun things coming up kind of related to this studio
• 1:16:55
  dude IDK. Obviously you can check us here.
• 1:16:57
  Every Thursday doing daytime talk after dark.
• 1:17:01
  I do that with my old Daily blast live host.
• 1:17:03
  Did I say Tuesday? What did I say?
• 1:17:06
  OK, thank you. Every Tuesday and starting next
• 1:17:11
  week, fingers crossed by my calls, Tori and I will be doing
• 1:17:15
  a morning show for at least three days a week.
• 1:17:19
  We don't think we're going to be here on the premises.
• 1:17:21
  We're not going to wake them up three days a week, but we're
• 1:17:23
  going to be doing and it's going to be through.
• 1:17:25
  Dude, IDK, so check that out. Right on.
• 1:17:29
  Well, Al, always a pleasure to have you.
• 1:17:31
  I can't wait to come back. I love talking movies.
• 1:17:33
  Oh my God, it's the best. All right, well, everybody,
• 1:17:35
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