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Monster Hunting - Dogman, Bigfoot & the Paranormal with George Lunsford on SOR · The Cryptid Huntress

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fantastic guest in the studio tonight. I have George Lunchford here and oh my
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He's got such a diverse background, super interesting guy. And George and
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I met at the Georgia Bigfoot Conference a couple of months ago, had a
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super good time talking to him and his buddies about bigfooting. Okay, so
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we're gonna have a really great conversation tonight, and I am so glad you
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went ghost hunting a week ago. Okay, about a week ago yesterday last
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night, we were out there doing a ghost hunt. I do believe that
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mister robg talked about it on his show last night. We were capturing orbes
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having full conversations with disembodied people and it was really awesome. But we also
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So if you guys miss that live broadcast, go back and watch it.
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It's in our archives. Okay, all right, Well, without further
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ado, let's get to our guest tonight, because I know we got plenty
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to talk about with mister George Lunsford. George is a cryptozoologist. Along with
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being a field investigator, researcher, a filled researcher, and investigator of cryptids,
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the paranormal in UFOs, He's done many jobs from being a maintenance man
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to making explosives for the government. He was also an actor for many years,
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doing d films, commercials, book trailers, public service videos, and
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even a music video for the Steep Canyon Rangers, which is one of my
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favorite bluegrass bands. George's life was changed when he was a young man,
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his great grandmother passed away and her spirit visited him one night, sitting at
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the foot of his bed. She looked at him, said I love you,
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say goodbye, and disappeared. And he thought it was a dream,
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but he smelled that perfume in the air sounds something like this has happened to
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me. Actually, he attended a haunted high school. And let's see.
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He has also had encounters in the Bermuda Triangle, which we're going to talk
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about tonight, a UFO in the middle of the ocean, and many other
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events. He's always been interested in the paranormal, cryptic creatures, and bigfoot
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and has done a lot of research throughout his lifetime. Please help me.
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Welcome to the show, my buddy, George Lunsberg. Hey, George,
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and I have to say thank you. Oh man. Well, I've really
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had a great time meeting you at the Georgia Bigfoot Conference a couple of months
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ago, you and all your buddies that were there. Someone's good to meet
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other bigfooters out in the public. They are much better than I am.
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They have more experience than I have out in the field. I've done as
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much research for more but I've they've been in the field more than I have,
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so you know, Oh yeah, we got Harley in the chat.
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Actually, I was just messaging with Harley Owens actually, and I was I
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know that you have done an interviewer to with him on his channel, and
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yeah, he's going to be on my channel in a couple of weeks out
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our research group. Yeah, tell me about your research groups, because you
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you have like a core research group right called North Carolina Investigates, and then
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you friends, you guys kind of all you're kind of like me, Like
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we have a core group and then we have like other groups depending upon which
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state we're in and what region we're in. Yep, we have which the
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main group of NCI, the main I guess the main investigators for it would
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be myself, uh, Robert Efler, and Harley Owens. Then we also
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got him deals when he's with Dirty South Squatch and he's one of our guys,
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and we also go out with them on their hunts too. I got
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a picture right there. Yeah, I couldn't beat those two. They're two
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of the best guys I've ever met. They are too good DearS. Oh
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yeah, I had so much fun talking with them. And also I have
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a picture of me and you together too. We got to hang out.
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Yeah, that was at the Georgia Bigfoot Conference, so and h and which
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which is actually not too far from North Carolina up in the north northeastern part
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of our state. Right. Yeah, and you to love talking to Harley
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Hart is a lot of good stories because Hart does a lot of alone investigations,
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which we've told him not to do. But he's a young kid.
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So you know, well, I have I have some I have some rules
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I go by. I don't go in the woods by myself. But you
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know what if he if he's if he's adventurous enough and he's can protect himself,
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which I'm sure he can to each his own man, to each his
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own. And he did send me well to go a pretty fantastic picture of
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something in the woods. Okay, and I'm gonna I'm going to leave that
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for later when I bring him on the show. But yeah, he's got
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some fantastic evidence for sure. Yeah, he's a good guy, he do
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he is. Okay, Well, I wanted to talk to you a little
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bit. Okay. I was reading your bio. I was like, man,
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you work with explosives for a group called Research Center. We made UH
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destruct systems for the Triton Titan missile systems. We made UH cutting charges,
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we made pin tration charges for the military and police. We met everything,
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we all kinds of We made the warheads for the Sidewiner missiles, all that
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good stuff. What a fun job, man, that's that sounds like something
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my son would do, okay, if he, if he was, if
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he was an adult, I went from making the exposes to being the only
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non college education educated inspector. Oh really, that's fantastic. That's fantastic.
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Well, okay, so if you're if you're doing a job that is so,
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I mean, that sounds dangerous. Sounds dangerous to me. So you
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like living on the edge a little bit, right, Yeah, I guess
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so you think about it, it's just another job. It sounds like,
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well, we all like to live on the edge a little bit. And
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speaking of which, my buddy David Pardue's in the chat tonight. He's he's
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actually a bigfooter out of North Carolina too. So I should I should link
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you guys up sometimes. Uh, you guys would have a lot of fun
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together. I think we'd be happy to go with him. He'd be happy
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to go with us. We all have a good time, for sure.
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For sure, he's he's a seasoned veteran in the bigfoot research community, so
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that would be that would be awesome. But but yeah, lots of okay,
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so but yeah, living on the edge, like we all like to
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live on the edge a little bit if we're out there chasing a gigantic creature
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in the woods, right, or a bunch of creatures in the woods.
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Definitely, so they could kill us with no thought exactly, I mean,
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because we really don't know what we're dealing with out there. We just know
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they're big and they can be violent. Mostly, you never know. These
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creatures have the same attitudes that people do. Sometimes they're happy, sometimes they're
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sad, sometimes they're mad. They have their own personality, so you never
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know what you're going to run into, right, that's right, that's right.
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If you ever come across a a ornery and ornery as like a like
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a mean bigfoot or something that try to threaten you or make you feel threatened.
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Not yet, we come across I won't say it was a big foot.
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I think it was more of a dog man than grow at us.
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And we was taking pictures, and I actually didn't know, but I had
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one ten feet away from me. Really, he's around seven feet tall.
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Wow, so you think it was a dog man? Oh from the picture.
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Yeah, I didn't realize that the picture it even showed it actually hardly
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goes to our pictures. He goes to them, and he's got better eyes
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than the rest of us. So he's got the youngest eyes, so you
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know, and he found that ten feet away from me there was a seven
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foot dog man watching me. Oh my god. Wow. Yeah, those
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are elusive. They're not easy to get on camera. And a lot of
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times, okay, so the picture he sent me while ago was super clear.
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A lot of times when we get pictures like I don't even show a
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lot of evidence on my shows because it's we call them blob squatches. Okay,
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you know what I'm mean. You know what I'm talking about. Well,
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yes, yeah, but that was what he what he sent me was
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very clear. Well hardly learned from He learned from watching the Scott Carpenter videos
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and they actually worked. You know, talked to Scott's son and he learned
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to think about putting the camera on your back and going behind you that way.
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You catch more stuff because they follow you. They you know, they
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creep around across the trails behind you and get in different areas. And uh,
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he started doing all this sextra work with pulling the background stuff out of
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the weeds and everything else. He's finding a lot of stuff that we missed
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when you're out there actually looking around. We found some creatures out there we
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have no explanation for. Yeah, we found things that looks like a white
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crawler out there. And we found things that I filmed something I don't know
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what it was. Hardy found it. It looked like a little alien for
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lack of a better word for because it's real smile, it's got a big
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head, and we don't really know what it was. Oh Man and I
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love it. So we always keep an open mind when we're out there doing
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our research. And David actually this is interesting because you're out of North Carolina.
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And David Pardue, who I just mentioned, he has videos and a
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lot of videos of little people that look like little aliens and stuff out of
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North Carolina. Okay, And Don Tart, one of our other teammates that
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I was just with yesterday out in the woods, he lives I see there
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like the border of South Carolina, North Carolina. I think it's North Carolina.
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He has like a pell crawler on video in his yard. Oh wow.
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Yeah, everything I've read about him is nothing nice, all kinds of
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bad things I've read about those things. Yeah, well, I wouldn't want
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to encounter one, but I've seen some creepy videos for sure, And and
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honestly they a lot of them are low key. In the Appalachian Mountains,
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that's where I'm right in the middle of. Yeah, I mean, well,
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that's where we do our research is in North Georgia. A lot of
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our research. Yeah, I live right here in well West Ashville, which
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is right here in the middle of the Appalachians. Oh yeah, I understand
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that we and we do a lot of our stuff in East Tennessee and uh
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down towards Franklin. When in North Georgia area. Did you just say Franklin,
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Georgia, Franklin, North Carolina, Carolina. Okay, okay, we
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got a Franklin, Georgia too, But I know where Franklin, Worth Coline
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is too, So yeah, so I'm right out there about around the same
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place as y'all are at for the most part, and you know, the
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Appalachian Mountains are like the oldest mountain range in the world. They are a
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friend of ours, Roseanne. Yeah, she's awesome. You and he talked
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to her. She moved up from Florida to North Georgia. She's got some
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fantastic stories from the skuncake and stuff down in Florida, she said, she
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said, some good ones. Oh yeah, I definitely need to talk to
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her, Roseanne. Okay, I'm w'll make a note, Okay, yeah,
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yeah, No, I mean there's everything you know in North Carolina.
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I'm trying to think of some of the other things that I've investigated up there,
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because I've been up to see the space, the sky ships and cashers
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if you're familiar with those, and uh Sukloo Judicola Rock. That area I
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mean very rich and like Native American history and lore Brown. I hadn't been
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there in person, not yet. What do you think those are? What
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are the Brown Mountain lights? In your opinion? Well, I think it's
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a natural thing with the quartz and all that, because there's lots of quarts
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over there, there's lots of energy in that area. Now they're supposed to
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be ghost I don't know. If they are not, because there was a
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big mascare of two Indian tribes class right there, and there was a lot
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of people killed. But I'm still I still lean towards it being a natural
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phenomenon more than I do anything else. Yes, yeah, well, I'm
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not sure exactly what it is, but I think that there's some weird stuff
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going on inside the mountains. And I've heard a lot of stories, especially
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from my friends up in Cherokee, North Carolina, who I was camping with
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when we saw those sky ships over Cashers. They say that there's entrances to
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like underground facilities in those mountains, so I would not be surprised. There's
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one cave that they say I taught the elders had told me this that goes
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from Cherokee to Atlanta. Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. I don't.
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I don't doubt anything. I believe the elders up there born I do
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anything else, because yeah, man, they know the stuff. They really
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do. And it was two of the elders that told me that, and
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I was actually in the car with them. We were riding around and one
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of the elders was telling me that he is the person that everyone would go
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to to report their Bigfoot sightings. Oh cool. Yeah, so he actually
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drove us all over Cherokee to show us where the Bigfoot sightings have been,
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the recent ones when I was up there. So yeah, that's a good
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guy to know, oacause I've been. I'm in Cherokee every month. All
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right, you're at that casino. I'm just take banks, I do facility.
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Oh that's great, that's great. Yeah. But lots of lots of
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rich history up there. And and Harley says legends and folklore are reality beyond
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logic lies truth. That's my motto. I agree with Harley on that for
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sure, because that's how my team we really locate some of our research areas
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by the local legends and the lore of different areas. Mm hmm. Yeah.
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If you hear about a booger holler, there's probably Booger's over there,
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I'd tell you're probably right, yeah, Or even witches. You know,
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if you hear a story about Spearfinger, one of my favorites, right,
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Cherokee witch. I mean, there's there's gotta be other stuff going on there,
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and they have these stories for a reason. They're not just I don't
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believe they're just made up stories. Well, they're still having sightings of Spearfinger
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over towards Fontana Lake encountered her. I think. I think there's a good
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possibility my team has encountered her before. I wouldn't doubt that. Something else.
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Boy, yeah, yeah, for the audience. If you guys are
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not familiar with Spearfinger, she's a Cherokee. She's a Cherokee shape shifter.
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I wrote about her. Oh did you read that? Well, tell me
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tell me. Okay, so you tell me about your book. What's your
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book about? Well, I've got two out ones called Legend Smith's Monsters and
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Ghosts. The USA edition as eight to ten stories for every state in the
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United States, plus five of the Indian tribes. Oh wow, and I
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got uh the Indian tribes. The thing about it like, there's better before
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I do the other ones, because when they passed down, there's no variation
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to their stories. Whatever was told Rizzley is what's told now. They don't
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change the stories at all. Oh yeah, and another ones. The story
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is kind of very it depends on who tells them. I put tried a
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bit all the variations them, and it has everything. They're from Ghosts to
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UFOs, to cryptid creatures, to serial killers, you name it. It's
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in the book What About Feral People? That's one of my favorite train about
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them. But they are, They're around a lot of places. I just
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found out about another place around here that has feral people. I forgot about.
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I had learned about when I was young, and my dad brought it
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up. Was what surprised me on that one too. Wow, you know
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they've and they've got they've got like a concentration of feral people in the Smoky
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Mountains. Yeah, my kid's cove is one of the areas. How how
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many times do you think that feral people and wild men are getting misidentified or
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confused for each other, or maybe they're the same thing. I think they're
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probably close to the same thing. I don't believe the wild men or the
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bigfoot. I think they're more of the feral people. Okay, I think,
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okay, if I think that could be too. But you know,
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we don't hear about wild men as much as we did. You know,
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if you go back and read newspaper clippings from the eighteen hundreds, there were
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all sorts of wild men all over the Kentucky wild man the Cheesy Pond wild
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Men down in Florida. They were They're pretty much all over the place.
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Oh yeah, I think I was kid in the high of them. Is
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that what you're you know? Oh? Man? Okay, Well listen,
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let's let's move out to the ocean for a little while because I was also
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let's ain't to something where you were talking about the Bermuda Triangle. Okay,
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And that's something that I'm really fascinated by because it seems like high strangeness has
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kind of followed you around for a long time, and you've been super interesting
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anyway, So you know, you're super high strange man. I like,
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I like highly strange people. But I'm okay, So tell me about your
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experience in the Bermuda Triangle please. Okay. I was in a navy I
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think I think everybody has heard that already. Uh, And we were out.
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This is just one of the many times we've been through the Boo Meuter
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Triangle. You know, most time you go through, nothing happens, honestly,
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And this one time we went through. I was on alf lookout because
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for some reason, I was on alf looked out a lot. But I
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was on alf lookout and our forward lookout, hollered back at me on the
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radio. He said, what is this up here? So I leaned over
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and looked up the ship that I seen it was a big gray spot out
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in the ocean ahead of us, and I said, what is keeping on
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it? And we'll see what it is when we get up closer. We
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got up closer. We was within three miles of it, and as far
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as you could see up it was gray. To the ocean it was gray,
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and as far as you can see on both sides, it's like a
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big wall of fog. Which, now, to be honest, in the
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ocean, that's not a surprising thing. It happens a lot. But what
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the weird part was when the ship actually went into this fog, this wall
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of fog, we started losing We lost all our power, Our compasses started
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spinning around, but the ship had enough speed on its where it just kind
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of cruised through it. Now, as you come out the other side of
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this fog, everything come back on like nothing happened, okay. And while
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we were inside the fog, you could feel like an electrical charge on your
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skin. Your hair was standing up, your skin was betingling, and uh,
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you could see the little sparks in it. And we come out the
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other side. We went from a beautiful smooth water day to choppy and hazy
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and everything else. And I look back after we cleared it, and it
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was gone. Oh Man, that fog, that pesky fogy. I have
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so many interesting stories about the fog when we're out investigating. I encountered a
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fog in the North Georgia Mountains that seem to have a consciousness. I can't
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believe that. You know, there's a story of the white Screamer that was
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that was actually a fog and it killed man's family in front of him.
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What tell me about that, please, I've never heard that. I hear
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about that. And well, he was, he was out honting and he
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seen this. This is the short version, better versions than the book,
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but there was a short version where he was out hanging. He come home
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and this fog come out of nowhere. It was just a localized fog,
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and as it moved into his house, he could see it from the hill
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and he started hearing screaming and crying and all kinds of things. By the
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time he got home, he found his wife and his kids had been completely
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ripped apart in shreds. So he took it and it was burying his kids
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and his wife. He buried him in the yard and when he turned around,
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the fog had come was coming back towards him, and he ran into
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the fog had attacked it. Is this the true story? I don't know,
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okay, if this a pass down legend, I don't know if it
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really is or not. Okay, Well I have a connection to that because
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I was given okay, I do this remote viewing stuff, and I was
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given a blind remote viewing target of what turned out to be the Gugwat in
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the fog at Yellowstone Park. Oh cool, Okay, So this is there's
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something that's this is a phenomenon at a Yellowstone Park where the fog rolls in
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and it's really thick and hikers go missing. And it said that they believe
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that it's gougwey like these you know, there's almost like a dog man or
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something, but it's like a big modified like read it out bigfoot basically,
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and uh, and they're they've been going. They hide in the fog and
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they go and they take hikers. Okay, So I actually did a show
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on that a while back. It was a long time ago. But you
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know, could it have been a crypted of some sort, like a dog
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man or a bigfoot hiding in this fog, could have been well, the
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same thing happened in Port Lock in Alaska. They would the one that was
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up there before they abandoned that village. They talked about the big how the
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bigfoot would come in with the fog and kill the people. Really well,
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I've definitely covered that before and I can I can totally see that happening because
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those bigfoots were actually eating people. They were eating people. What I thought
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was funny is they were ripped apart and lead them in the water for other
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ones to find. Yeah, well they were sending a message because they were
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I think they were mad because people came in. They were taking all their
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resources with all their fish. Yeah. Okay, So I got to tell
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you my my fog story real quick about what happened to me because we were
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up in the North Georgia Mountains and we had my team was up there,
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and we had some extra people with us that weren't with our team, and
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my buddy Tim and I were kind of asked to go, you know,
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we wanted to go scope out a couple of fields and uh, and go
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see we could get some activity. We've been seeing a bunch of orbs that
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weekend and we're trying to go, you find some big foot, okay,
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and uh. And so we took we took a dad and a son with
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us, and we we had them walking between us for safety reasons, and
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I was leading the way and and the dad and the sun were in the
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middle, and then my buddy was in the back, you know, to
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protect everybody basically, And and so we were we got up the mountain and
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we got this really horrible feeling. I mean, it was a very eerie
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feeling because we kept turning around feeling like something was following us. But the
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only thing that was there was a fog, a thick fog, And so
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we just kind of sat there for a while and we every time we would
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move, the fog would move, and so every time we'd walk faster.
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And we didn't tell the people that were with us. It was just me
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and my buddy. We didn't tell because we didn't want to scare anybody,
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but we were actually kind of getting I'm not going to say we were scared,
27:37
but we were very uneasy because it didn't seem natural at all, and
27:44
so we ended up trucking it down the hill at some point because we just
27:48
felt like the fog was kind of catching up to us and we just didn't
27:52
know if there was something in it. We didn't know if we just didn't
27:56
know what was going on. But we both agreed, My buddy and I
28:00
both agreed that it felt like it had a consciousness to it. It almost
28:03
was like it was alive as it was it was chasing. It's interesting.
28:07
Yeah, right, that is very interesting. Yeah, so I don't know.
28:12
It kind of goes with that story though, And I've been there and
28:15
I've experienced something like that and it had an ominous feeling. Ominous would be
28:21
the word I think. So, yeah, it's cool. I hope it
28:27
never happens again. Well, that that I can understand. You can,
28:33
you know, you kind of a deal, you can kind of deal with
28:36
that. It's got a physical body to it, but it's just fog.
28:40
What can you do? Okay? Well, okay, Well, speaking about
28:44
your experience though, Okay, so you said the fog came in. Did
28:47
the other guys on your you guys were on a ship, like, did
28:49
other people experience this too. Oh yeah, yeah, everybody own the ship
28:53
experienced it. Said we started, we lost power and everything, the compasses
28:59
were spinning crazy, and it was just it was nuts. I mean,
29:03
everybody was trying to freaked out. Then once everything come back online, when
29:07
we get through the fog, everything already come back online and just like nothing
29:12
ever happened, except the water got real the top. The water went from
29:17
smooth as glass the choppy and hazy and nasty outside. This is exactly wow,
29:23
okay that, Oh my god. I hate like trying to I'm not
29:27
trying to compare my stories to yours, but I have similar stories because well,
29:33
I was up in New York this past year. Last year we went
29:37
for like the anniversary of the USS Eldridge reappearing in a twenty year portal that
29:42
opens that's with the Philadelphia experiment. We actually went up there to the ocean
29:47
at Montawk at Camp Hero to go witness this ship reappear. And we had
29:52
people in boats and everything, and I was on land. But this fog
29:57
by the way fogg roled in and we couldn't see the ocean that morning,
30:02
and the fog had not been there at all. We've been there for a
30:03
week and there's no fog. And then that morning, at that exact precise
30:07
time that that boat was supposed to appear, a fog had rolled in and
30:11
we couldn't see anything, but we saw like blue lightning in green lightning.
30:17
Oh that's awesome over the ocean. Yeah. So okay, so were you
30:21
So when when did this happen? Were you super young? And I know
30:25
that you had had a life of paranormal events leading up to this, so
30:29
you're probably pretty young, like I assumed, like a young man. So
30:33
it was super weird, right, late teens, early twenties. Okay,
30:37
yeah, so so you were almost like kind of like myself. I had
30:41
had so much weirdness in my life that when things like that happened as a
30:47
young woman, I wasn't as weird out as most people would have been.
30:49
Is that how you were? It takes a lot to really shake me.
30:55
I just kind of huh, okay, what happened. Behaving has happened.
31:00
So I just didn't get excited. I didn't get decided where people shot at
31:04
me either, So oh my god, I can imagine. Okay, so
31:11
where do you think this thing came from? And where was it going the
31:15
fog. It was there. It was there, It wasn't going nowhere.
31:18
It just I think there's electrical magnet there's electrical and magnetic properties that are fighting
31:26
in the in the Bermuda Triangle area. And I think every now and then
31:30
it's just a right mix to call some kind of an episode, just like
31:33
it did with all the ships that disappeared, the airplanes that have disappeared and
31:37
everything else. I think it rig's havoc on their their GPS and their their
31:44
guided systems and everything else. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there's a
31:49
lot a lot of people go missing, and it's kind of be from you
31:52
know, just losing your way and getting lost. And well, now they've
31:56
claimed that they found crystal pyramids into the ocean. I don't know if that's
32:00
true or not, but they claimed that that's what they found underneath the uh
32:06
for me to triangle in the center. Oh yeah, I've heard that true.
32:09
I've heard it too. I don't know. There's a lot of anomalies
32:13
right now. And do you okay, since you started doing like field research
32:16
and you've had these pretty amazing experiences, do you think that there's been like
32:22
an uptick in a lot of paranormal occurrences going on because since yeah, right,
32:29
and why do you think that is? I don't know, I really
32:32
don't. It's just this this year and the last couple of years have been
32:37
weird, just because we have you know, everything's been strong. Everything's been
32:43
changing since Haley's comic come through, Haley's comment. That was a long time
32:47
ago. It was a while back, but it's there's been a definitely uptick
32:52
since that's happened, or you now people are finally able to talk about it,
32:59
right, and we have the internet too and stuff. Of course,
33:02
the Internet you kind of got to take with a grain of salt because there's
33:07
a lot of crazy people on here. Anyway, These people and everybody's in
33:12
my chat right now, we're all no, no, no, why.
33:15
I've run into a few that you just look kind and go, okay,
33:20
yeah, yeah, gotcha, you know, yes, but they're like I,
33:27
like I said, there's no such thing as an expert in these fields
33:30
because nobody knows. Nobody knows what's we've been. We've we've all grew up
33:36
in a little box. We've been told certain things. This is what is,
33:39
this is what's not. Everything else but until you get out there and
33:44
you see the first bigfoot, you hear the first dog man, you're still
33:49
stuck in that little box until something breaks that box wide open. Oh yeah,
33:54
Okay, what was your first bigfoot experience that you ever had? Well,
34:00
the first sighting, I guess I should say was on June seventh this
34:04
year with Harley and Robert and yeah, we were at a research area where
34:10
that Harley had found that used to be Scott's carpenters and he'd got scared out
34:16
there. He only went to that site one time and he got run out
34:20
there by the bigfoot and stuff. So Harley went up ere he investigate.
34:25
He found out that there was something going on and he called us to go
34:29
up there with him. So we all show up, me, Robert,
34:34
Michelle, and Harley the team. So we'd be bopped out and we went
34:39
out and when we got there, as was coming into the site, you
34:44
could see plenty of signs of deer, elk. We found bobcat tracks,
34:52
we found bear tracks, we found you know, squirrel birds, everything.
34:58
And on the other side of the the dirt road there was a big creek.
35:02
So they had all the water and all the food that they could ask
35:06
for for a tribe of Bigfoot and dogmen. And we got into the site.
35:13
We found we found a huge archway and the log that was holding the
35:19
tree down that made the arch was actually the stump, for it was thirty
35:22
feet away, so it was not a drop, It wasn't a regular natural
35:25
fall. Something had to pick it up and move it to put it on
35:29
top of this other tree. We found twist brakes and were from six foot
35:34
to eight foot in the air that were still green. The leaves were still
35:37
green. We found ambus sites. We found the ambus site that would be
35:44
the probably the envy of every hunter out there because they had the bigfoot had
35:51
stood logs up and mounting them together and made a half line in an area
35:57
where three large game trails came together. They put it right in a corner,
36:02
so if anything come down in any of those game trails, they could
36:06
just reach right out and grab it and they would never know that it was
36:07
God ill me. And the game trails were probably a foot wide, I
36:14
mean they were really big game trails. And uh so we found all this.
36:19
We went down. We found the dog man track that was five inches
36:23
five five and a half inches wide and probably I think it was probably six
36:29
or seven inches long, and it was pretty fresh. Wow. Well,
36:35
we went on down and we found another dog man where he had hit the
36:38
mud and slid, and he was maybe twenty minutes ahead of us because the
36:43
water was still coming back into the mud when we got there. And coming
36:49
we went through. We found a bunch of old remnants of houses and stuff.
36:52
We come back through and uh. We come up a hill and Old
36:59
Hardly nudges me. He said, hey, hey, let's go down this
37:01
flat and come up a hill over there. I said, okay, why
37:05
not. So man, Harley drops off into this flat. As soon as
37:08
we got down to the bottom of the flat, we found bearscat. So
37:13
we moved down this flat and we come up a hill. As we come
37:17
up this hill, there was a valley between us and another hill. It's
37:22
about twenty yards away from us. And Harley stops and his eyes get real
37:27
bid. He goes. He starts nudging me. He goes, there it
37:29
is there, it is. I said, Harley, that's a shadow.
37:32
It's been snowing and sleeping. That's a shadow. He said. Oh,
37:37
Man, I'm telling you that's a bigfoot. I said, that's a shadow
37:40
man. He said, wait right here. I'm gonna get closer and we'll
37:45
see. I said, okay. So he starts down in these laurels and
37:50
he steps on a branching or something about fourteen feet away from me. That
37:54
thing goes pa real loud, and my shadow leans out and stretches its head
38:04
out to sea where Hardy is. And it puts its arm up on the
38:07
tree like this to balance itself, and it's watching to see where Hardy is.
38:13
When it did, I could see the body from the waist up,
38:16
and I could see had no naked. This big muscle come up to the
38:21
side of its head and had the conical head. And when named it alfalfa
38:24
because it had hairsticking up on the top. It had a cow lick and
38:30
he leaned he When I heard, I heard, oh, excuse my languag,
38:35
I heart, oh shit. And when I did, it stood up
38:37
straight and its head I seen the limb with the head had come to and
38:45
I took off after it. I started checking it. I was so excited
38:49
by drumally hitting. I took off down the hill to go get it.
38:52
I don't know what I was going to do with it, but I was
38:54
going to go get it. You catch a ride on his back. So
39:02
I get down. I almost passed hardy. We come up the other side.
39:07
Of course, Bigfoot didn't wait around for us. He's he's just iled
39:09
that way. So when we get up there, we're looking around for hair
39:14
on the tree. We looked for a footprints. We found three toeprints,
39:19
and there's a little hump there. We found three and you could see where
39:22
the little toe would have been. You could see where the big toe was,
39:27
but you can only see the three toes real good. So we got
39:30
even more excited by that. And this thing was smart because the way it
39:36
was at it had a twenty foot run where it was like a tunnel because
39:40
he had nothing could come up on it because he had laurels all the way
39:44
around him. So he went he must have went down there, and we
39:46
feared he dropped off to the left. Well about that time we start to
39:51
go down this this little twenty foot area, Robert calls us up. He
39:54
goes, what are you guys doing. You're scaring something up. Something's tearing
39:59
the woods up down here. And when he said that, it stopped.
40:04
So we took off down off the left hand side of this hill, we
40:07
hit a laurel thicket. You couldn't see three foot in front of you.
40:12
So we're finally get this all thicket. And the only thing I was thinking
40:15
was this thing's going to eat us because we can't see him coming. But
40:22
when we come down to the where Robert was, that thing had come back
40:25
around behind the hill and put the heel between us, so we wouldn't bother
40:30
it anymore. Wow. You know what always is so perplexing to me is
40:35
how they get through those stick like briars and stuff. Was like without a
40:39
hinch. They just said, they glide right through that stuff, and like
40:44
we get stuck in it. We can't move from that kind of stuff.
40:46
What how is that they've got to have the toughest hide in the world.
40:52
The hair Well, Now, I did read a story that one of the
40:55
Indian chiefs, no mess Amoenu is a mass amoun He put out a story
41:00
where he had seen the Sukuloo get down in the mud and kind of roll
41:06
around in a little bit, and when it come up he let it dry,
41:09
and that when it dried it was almost like an armor stone. The
41:15
arrows and stuff would bounce off of it because it was so hard. So
41:21
I'm wondering if I ain't part of what they're doing. They're using that the
41:22
mud and stuff as a protection for them. Yeah, they call that.
41:28
They call them the stone coat giants, right, So, uh, it
41:32
could be. It could just be that they're super tough. Listen, my
41:36
kid, he used to run around the backyard barefoot every day, and we
41:39
had nothing but rocks in the backyard. And me and my little d my
41:45
big dainty feet. I got big feet, okay, but me and my
41:49
dainty skin on my feet. They're big, but they're dainty. Okay.
41:53
I would just cut my feet all day the heck when I would walk outside,
41:58
So I had to wear flip flops every time I go up. But
41:59
my son was it was no problem for him, and he's got tough,
42:02
tough feet, you know, because he did it ever since he was a
42:05
baby. You can, you know. So, But I didn't. I
42:09
like flip flops, okay, So that's so. That's so that's the difference
42:15
though. I mean, they're they're built different, you know. Yeah.
42:16
I think the hair is so thick in certain parts of it that they don't
42:21
pay no attention to this oh man, so do you guys have a lot
42:28
of Like I saw hardly mentioned something about X structure that you guys came across,
42:31
and and that's something that we we come across a lot too, are
42:36
X structures. I mean, I I in one place that I've been researching
42:39
lately, there's a whole bunch of like skinny trees that have been turned down
42:44
into like a like a loop, and then they're tied together down at the
42:47
bottom with like a star like an asterisk, with like different tree limbs and
42:52
different sticks from other trees that aren't even around there. I just, oh,
42:59
yeah, you have a lot. I didn't match up. One thing
43:01
that surprised me that a lot of the twisted trees that we found the you
43:07
know, we're from inch and a half to maybe two and a half inches
43:10
that had been twisted and broke off. I did notice those more around game
43:15
trails. Oh wow, they were marking the game trails for the other ones.
43:22
Yes. Well. And also they're near water too sometimes, so we're
43:27
finding or I found that they're usually near a little creek or some kind of
43:30
runoff or a drainage something. Yeah, so it could be that too.
43:36
Some people think that when they turned the trees over like that and then they
43:38
tie them, that it's some sort of like generator. They use them as
43:43
batteries, but I don't know how that works, so I don't know.
43:45
That's just a theory. Yeah. Hey, I can believe anything with them
43:50
nowadays, after everything, I can definitely believe that they hit us with infrasound.
43:54
Last time they hit me in hardly with it, and Robert got out
44:00
of it somehow. I don't know how he managed got it, but uh
44:04
hardly got a bad headache from it, and I just got confused. It
44:08
dazed me. I couldn't focus on anything. It was hard to you know,
44:12
focus on even walking when we got hit by it. But it only
44:15
lasted for maybe fifteen twenty seconds. Yeah, that's how it works. You
44:22
got zapped. Yeah, you got zapped. I got zapped one of the
44:25
last times I was out in the woods of my team, not this past
44:29
weekend, but another time I had a little zap that happened right after we
44:32
had seen a big foot had an encounter. So it happens. Have you
44:37
ever gone into the woods and hit an energetic brick wall where you just you
44:40
didn't see anything, but you just felt like you shouldn't keep moving forward.
44:45
Yeah. Yeah, we we had that one of ours. Instead of going
44:51
to the left like we'd planned on going, which would have took us up
44:54
past the laurels up on top of the mountain, we actually got a filling
44:59
we don't to go that way, we need to go right. So we
45:01
avoided going that way. And I think what happened is because we avoided going
45:06
that way, I think it was gonna get jumped up or something because we'd
45:08
had it went the trail. When it went up, you had lails on
45:14
this side of the rolls on this side that were real thick. You could
45:16
have hit a bulldozer behind either one of them have not seen it, and
45:21
that was probably going to be an ambet site. We had a real strong
45:25
feeling not to go that way. Oh my god. Okay, do you
45:29
think that these things would ever attack you out there? I think that they
45:32
probably if they got agitated with us, they probably would. Yeah. I
45:37
mean they've attacked before. I've heard stories and read tons of stories were there
45:45
was the one guy that I read a story he had went into the woods
45:47
with a rifle thirty out six and a pistol and was going to, you
45:52
know, check out the bigfoot. And when they found the tent side his
45:57
site was tore out the pieces uh the rifle that actually been bent almost in
46:05
half and thrown down, but there was no rounds left, and all the
46:09
casings were still there. The empty casings were on the ground like he had
46:14
fired every one of them. And they followed the blood trail where it looked
46:19
like something he had been drug and they found they started finding bits and pieces
46:23
of him. They went down and they actually, right before they got to
46:29
the end where they found the biggest part of what was that to his body,
46:31
they found the pistol and it was empty. Oh my god, Oh
46:37
my gosh, that's horrible. Well yeah, I mean a creature here that
46:40
ripped that's able to rip a full grown deer in half with no problem.
46:45
So we're nothing for it. I mean it, we gotta be. We
46:51
gotta be crazy word after a creature that can kill us without even thinking about
46:53
it, that's right. But I think that they all have their own personalities.
47:00
I don't think that they're I don't think they have a like a group
47:02
mentality or anything like that. I think each one of them have their own
47:07
their own personalities, and they have good days, they have bad days,
47:12
and they're just like us. That's what I always say too. It's just
47:15
it's just like us. I mean, there's some that are very motherly and
47:19
you know, want to want to help you and take care of you.
47:21
And then there's some that just want to eat you, okay and want to
47:24
you know, like it's just like humans. And I'm like, oh,
47:27
that sounds kind of gross humans wanting. But there are umans that need other
47:30
humans, I guess, Okay, but it's very rare the mind when you
47:36
say that, but you know, you, yeah, it's it's kind of
47:39
gross. But but you know what you think because you know, if you
47:44
if you go about like what you see on YouTube and stuff, there's a
47:45
lot of a lot of a lot of people talk about all the violent dog
47:51
men. Okay, Like I see a lot of that, like violent like
47:54
you know, missing people being attributed to dog man attacks or a dog man
47:59
attacks. I think a lot of times when people are you know, bodies
48:01
are found where they have been mauled to death by something, I think a
48:06
lot of times it's probably a big cat, Okay a lot of times,
48:09
but there's that little percentage where it could be a dog Man two or even
48:14
a big film. Well, see, the dog men are confusing for me
48:20
because I did wrong a lot of research on here recently about dog man.
48:24
I know they go all the way back to ancient times. They believe that
48:29
Nubis was a dog man that come out of a tribe in Africa. There
48:32
was a tribe in Asia. There was a huge tribe in India of dogmen,
48:37
and that's been recorded by Christopher Columbus and Marco Polo. Marco Polo was
48:44
actually Christopher Lumbers. Both were taken to the tribe that was in India,
48:49
and at one time the tribe in India was one hundred and twenty thousand strong
48:52
of dog men and even some of the saints. Saint Christopher was believed to
48:59
have been a dog man because he was almost seven feet tall and had a
49:02
dog face. And they didn't start changing the pictures of him until after I
49:08
can't even know what the name of the age was, but there was an
49:10
age of new artists come in and they changed him to looking like a man
49:15
that still looked like a dog man. Wow, I know our history is
49:20
so not what we're taught, right. Oh, No, no, we're
49:22
not taught anything. If you look at all the accommodations of history that we've
49:28
missed. We had a saint, one of the saints used to dog men
49:31
for his bodyguards. I wish I had dog man bodyguards too. Where do
49:37
I sign up? Well, I mean, if you go back and loot
49:40
the houstory dog man. They've been all over the world. There's reports of
49:45
dog men, just like Bigfoot. And with Bigfoot, I believe he's a
49:51
descendant of the giants, not the Nephilim. The nephil were the The giants
49:57
were the result of the Nephlum the because the Nephilim were the creatures that were
50:00
created when the angels and women got together, and I think the nephlom are
50:07
they got wiped out during the Great Flood and that's what brought on the giants,
50:10
which was their offspring from human women. They were smaller and not not
50:15
quite as grotesque looking as the Nephilim were. I think that's what Bigfoot is.
50:23
I think he's a descendant of the giants. Well, there's kind of
50:28
an age old question in my book, what is Sukulu? Do you think
50:31
Suglu was a Sasquatch or a giant human Sukuloo. That that's the Cherokee version
50:38
of it. I think it was a bigfoot. He was at one time
50:44
the bigfoot or Sukloo and the Cherokee actually worked together. They traded, they
50:51
they did different things together with each other, almost like they lived in a
50:53
symbiotic And then there was a chief that come into the Cherokee that kind of
51:00
shafted the Sukuloo. That's when I that's when the problems started with that.
51:07
Yeah, oh yeah, Well there's there's actually some artists renditions of Sukuloo with
51:14
his human girlfriend, you know, like a bigfoot with it, because he
51:17
said in the story that he he had a human lover. Basically, Yeah,
51:23
he had to do different chores for the mother for her to get permission
51:29
for him to be with her. I know, he went and got deer
51:31
and stuff. He was a fierce hunter, right. He carried logs and
51:37
ripped the logs of parts so they'd have firewood. Oh yeah, you know
51:40
what that reminds me of if you go back and look into uh I think
51:45
I don't know which state it is, maybe Wisconsin, I don't remember.
51:49
Please don't quote me on this, but I think it's it's the historical society
51:52
whichever state Paul Bunyon's from. Okay, they have an actual drawing of the
52:00
man that the character was based off off, they say, and when you
52:04
look at that picture, it looks like a type three or Type four sasquatch,
52:09
like a wildman, like a Neanderthal kind of, because I said he
52:13
was super tall, at nine feet tall or something like that. He could
52:17
pick up trees kind of like sugaloo and uh and they were so I I
52:22
personally think that there's a chance that that could have been a real wild man
52:28
they sat off of. I believe that. Apparently, he want me to
52:34
tell you about the whistles in our last adventure up there. I was going
52:37
to ask you about that. Tell me about the whistles. Wants to tell
52:44
wants you to tell them. It was after we got hit with the infra
52:46
sound, I whistled. I wanted to try it out. Oh no,
52:53
you're not a whistle in the woods, George, I can't help I'm nuts.
52:58
I don't know whistle and that up on the mountain, we gotta whistle
53:00
back. Okay. So I thought that's pretty cool. When we moved back
53:07
down a little bit and I whistled again. We got another call from about
53:12
middle Ways on the other side of the mountain answered back, so we decided
53:19
to split up. We decided instead of going back together, we would go
53:23
back in shifts. So Robert went. He went. After he got down
53:29
to a certain area, he'd called back and then rocked and Rob, I
53:32
mean the Harley went and after he got to a certain area, I was
53:37
getting ready to go and I look over and there's this huge white dog comes
53:43
out of nowhere. And I was like, okay, well that's a big
53:47
dog. I really hope he doesn't eat me. And all of a sudden,
53:51
this this woman comes out with the behind the dog. I said,
53:53
okay, she's walking her dog. So I started on down the trail.
53:59
I thought, well, this is shot now. So I start down the
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trail and there's a little hill you go down like this in one part.
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I got down the hill and I stopped. I heard something in the woods
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above beside me. So I stopped and I was looking and I felt something
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staring at me. So I turned and here's that big white dog. He's
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watching me. He comes down, and the woman comes down, and I
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pet the dog and they go on. I think nothing else about him.
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I called a head, said, okay, that woman, the doll's coming
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through here they come and I get on down through there and I get to
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the one point where men hardly dropped off. I look in Harley's dinner in
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the drop off. Then in the flat he's holding his ready he's going.
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I said, what I just holiday, and what is wrong with you?
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He said, by radio ain't working. I said, okay, and he
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starts to come back up the hill, and I whistled again. Well,
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when I whistle this time, the repeat whistle come back. But it is
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about fifteen feet from where Hardy was standing in the world thickets and tickets.
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Okay, did you whistle at me? He said, No, I didn't
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whistle, died you? I said, then you had a friend. Well,
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now, did Harley hear the whistle too? No? All think he
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heard was he was coming back through and he got wound up in a bunch
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of briars. So I only think he heard was himself fussing, because it
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was. I won't say what he was saying when he was in the briers,
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but oh my god, it sounds like a typical night of big footing
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in my opinion. Well, this was all daylight. We don't a night
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up there. Well, he went up there at night once this last weekend.
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The most we discovered during the day. We get more activity during the
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day than anything we get. We get activity in the daytime as well.
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Now do you think these things know y'all pretty well? Now? Huh?
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Do you think that these creatures at the critters out there, and by the
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critters, I mean the bigfoot of the dog man, do they know y'all?
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You think or at least Harley? They know Harley. They know Harley
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for sure. Yeah, And I think we left. I'm kind of weird.
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I have to try different things. I took a big toy about this
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big. It was a squeaky pig, squeaky toy for the dog for the
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dog man. Yeah, it was that big. So I thought, let's
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take it and see what happened if I'll leave it up here. So we
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put it up against the on the arch was against the tree. It probably
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I don't know, ten inches around. So we put the pig up on
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that beside that, and Harley went back up there and I asked him,
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I said, well, did you see the pig. He said, you
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ain't gonna believe this. He said, I didn't find a pig, but
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the tree that it was against. Something broke that tree into four pieces.
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I wonder if it was mad that y'all left something it was because, I
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mean, and when it's queen you squeaky, it was real loud. But
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the pig was gone, say had to take it with them. Oh that's
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weird. I mean, it's kind of like maybe you kind of encroached upon
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their territory a little too much, contaminated their space. Maybe we had something
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parallel with us on the side of all. So I threw golf tennis balls
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at it to see if i'd get some kind of response. Oh really,
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I didn't get hit with anything back, so I don't know if the tennis
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balls or on. Oh my gosh, well this is just fantastic. Oh
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my gosh. It sounds like you guys have a lot of fun out there,
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and you you run towards the danger. I would love to come up
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there sometime. Yes, I would love to. I'm out in the woods
57:52
quite a bit and time. I'm always looking for new adventures, so maybe
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maybe we'll meet up sometime. I'm actually going to be in East tennis See
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coming up in September. It all squatch out with Manimal Research. Lorie Wade's
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going to be there and uh is it Lynae? Maybe I can't remember.
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But we're gonna we're gonna have a good time. We're doing a camp out
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up there in East Tennessee. Maybe y'all can come and hang out with us
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there too. So oh yeah, well we'll get y'all to put that on
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your calendar and come hang out with us. We're gonna be tent camping and
58:24
everything so for a full weekend. But but yeah, oh my gosh,
58:29
Okay, George, thank you so much for coming on. This hour has
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flown by, by the way, by I didn't go by fast. Tell
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the audience where they can find you and and your books as well. Well.
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You can find me at n CI North Carolina Investigates on Facebook and you
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hear that's where our podcast are at. You can find me. I'm all
58:49
over Facebook, Instagram, me, we Tumor, and I don't know what
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else. I think I got a thing on YouTube too, and I have
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my books are on Amazon. I have two books on there, one called
59:04
Legends Miss Monsters and ghosts. The other one that's called Monsters of the World
59:08
Reference Guide. I made it for podcasters, so for podcasters. I love
59:15
that. I need to get me then that sounds fun. Creatures, Oh
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my gosh, I love it. I'm the crypted Huntress, so I could
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always I love learning about new cryptids. So that's awesome. George. Please
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come back and hang out with me again. This has been so much fun.
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Okay, thank you. Awesome. Well listen, you and Harley and
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all the guys, Tim and I mean y'all. Please be safe, Okay,
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please be safe out there. I know y'all like running towards the danger,
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so do I. Okay, but but yeah, be safe. Maybe
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I'll see y'all out in the woods soon. Okay, awesome, all right,
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George, have a great night. Thanks for being here too. Okay,
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all right, see yah, all right, y'all. Oh my god,
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that was so fun. I hope you guys had as much fun as
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I did. And I hope y'all learned as much as I did tonight too.
1:00:02
I learned a little something too, And it's so cool because there are
1:00:06
other people out here in the field having similar experiences to what me and my
1:00:09
team have. And it's so wonderful being able to put our heads together and
1:00:15
put our research together to try to come up with maybe some answers or at
1:00:17
least have a good story to tell. So I want to thank everybody for
1:00:21
being here tonight. Please go over to after Hours next. Rob G has
1:00:24
a show set up for us, so y'all come on and come see us
1:00:28
in the chat. All right, y'all, have a great night. Come
1:00:30
see me over on my channel, the Cryptid Huntress. I have some fantastic
1:00:34
shows lined up for this week, starting on Wednesday at one pm Eastern with
1:00:37
a glitch in the matrix. So you guys have a wonderful night. I
1:00:40
will see y'all on Wednesday and I will be back here next Sunday night.
1:00:45
All right, y'all, have a great week, Stay safe, bye home.