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Kara Robinson Chamberlain: The Incredible Story of Survival · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Crime, conspiracy, serial killers, cults, and murder.
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  Speaker 2: All things that I love to consume, and I know
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  Speaker 2: you do too, you sick, beautiful, intellectual-minded freak.
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  Speaker 1: And today, we have a very special.
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  Speaker 2: special episode. I think my favorite episode of these deep
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  Speaker 2: dives so far because we are actually going to be
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  Speaker 2: talking to the person that went through this heinous unimaginable
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  Speaker 2: crime and getting her point of view and this individual
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  Speaker 2: is Kara Robinson Chamberlain.
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  Speaker 1: She has an.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely harrowing yet inspiring story about survival against unimaginable odds.
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  Speaker 2: At just 15 years old Kara was abducted by a
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  Speaker 2: serial killer. But with her quick thinking and insane courage,
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  Speaker 2: she was able to escape and eventually identify her captor,
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  Speaker 2: which she would later find out was a serial killer.
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  Speaker 2: And our conversation was so informative and interesting and I
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  Speaker 2: want to thank Kara again for doing this interview.
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  Speaker 1: She is such a wonderful, inspiring.
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  Speaker 2: Human being and Without further ado, let's get into the
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  Speaker 2: interview with Kara Chamberlain.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. I'm here with the beautiful Kara Chamberlain. Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: How are you? And it's Chamberlain?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Lane? I don't know. I don't know. Chamberlain. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Like Chamberlain, Chamberlain. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Either way, one of my last names is Hallowell, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Hallowell or Hellowell or I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. But anyway, yeah, I would just, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I do all these true crime deep dives and I
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  Speaker 2: always talk for the person that went through it or anything.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you so much for meeting with me and
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  Speaker 2: telling your story through your eyes because it's indescribable. Like
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  Speaker 2: I've read about it a lot. And there's only so
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  Speaker 2: much you can get from reading about it. But it's, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's unimaginable. And I just, I really want my audience
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  Speaker 2: to hear it through your voice. So if you're okay
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  Speaker 2: with it, you can intro yourself and just kind of
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  Speaker 2: get into how it all went.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to start just by saying, like, I
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  Speaker 3: know when people hear this story, the first thing people
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  Speaker 3: think is, oh, my God, I could never do that.
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  Speaker 3: And I just encourage everyone listening to listen with the
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  Speaker 3: understanding that you absolutely have no idea what you are
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  Speaker 3: capable of and what you can and would do in
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  Speaker 3: a situation like mine or many others until you're put
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  Speaker 3: in them. It's the human will is to survive. So
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  Speaker 3: in that vein, when I was 15 years old, the
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  Speaker 3: kind of flyover version of my story, and we can
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  Speaker 3: go into as much detail as you want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The flyover version is when I was 15 years old,
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  Speaker 3: I was kidnapped by a man I later found out
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  Speaker 3: was a serial killer. So I was very much like
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  Speaker 3: average 15 year old. This was 2002. So 22 years ago,
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  Speaker 3: I was spending the night with a friend. And as
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  Speaker 3: most 15 year olds do always with like my friend,
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  Speaker 3: my boyfriend, similar situation as most people find themselves in
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  Speaker 3: at that age and had spent the night with my
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  Speaker 3: best friend and we were getting ready to figure out
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  Speaker 3: what we were going to do for the day, decided
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  Speaker 3: to go to the lake and called her mom, asked
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  Speaker 3: if there was anything that needed to be done at
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  Speaker 3: the house. And her mom said, yeah, can you guys
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  Speaker 3: water the plants before you leave? And so my friend
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  Speaker 3: wanted to take a shower before we left. And so
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'll water the plants, kind
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  Speaker 3: of get us out of the house a little bit faster.
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  Speaker 3: And so that was a decision that really changed my life.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I was outside in like cheerleading shorts.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, are you old enough to, to the Sophie shorts?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, I wore them in volleyball and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like the really like just horrible shorts.
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  Speaker 1: Are they still around? I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And where, sorry, where was your friend at the time
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  Speaker 1: during this as well? She was in the shower. She
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  Speaker 1: was in the shower. Yeah. So she got in the shower.
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  Speaker 3: And so I went outside and like, the cheerleading shorts
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  Speaker 3: and t-shirt from like my mom's work, right? Like car
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  Speaker 3: dealership t-shirt and my cheerleading shorts and no shoes, no
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  Speaker 3: cell phone. Did I have a cell phone? That's one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that people, where was it? Why, why
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  Speaker 3: didn't you have your cell phone? I'm like, Oh baby.
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  Speaker 1: 2002. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, so it was outside watering the plants and 15
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  Speaker 3: getting ready to get my license. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: paying attention to cars a little more than maybe I
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  Speaker 3: would have previously. So when a Trans Am drove by,
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  Speaker 3: I was like.
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  Speaker 1: That's a kind of cool car. Like maybe I would
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  Speaker 1: like to drive one of those and noticed it.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, if it would have been a Civic or, or,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Kia Rio, I probably wouldn't have noticed it,
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  Speaker 3: but I noticed it and it was on the way
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  Speaker 3: out of the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: And, um, just kind of cataloged it and went about
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  Speaker 1: my business.
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  Speaker 3: And then next thing that I knew, the car came
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  Speaker 3: back into the neighborhood and pulled directly into the driveway.
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  Speaker 1: And I was not, I wouldn't say I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Necessarily naive or that I was naive, but I lived,
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  Speaker 3: this was before the internet was what it is today.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that anyone that's like my age will
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  Speaker 3: understand this, but maybe some people that are younger won't
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  Speaker 3: quite get it. this mentality of not being creeped out
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  Speaker 3: or scared because true crime wasn't a genre. Then we
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  Speaker 3: weren't consuming these stories and like, Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody is going to kidnap me.
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  Speaker 3: That was not, that was not a thing. And if like,
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  Speaker 3: you didn't see it on the news, you pretty much
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  Speaker 3: had America's most wanted and you had unsolved mysteries and
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  Speaker 3: you had cops like, yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: And so, so the car.
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  Speaker 3: Pulls into the driveway and I don't really think anything.
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  Speaker 3: I think maybe this is somebody that knows my friend's mom.
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  Speaker 3: And guy gets out. He doesn't set off any alarms.
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  Speaker 3: He's very average looking white male. He's not acting furtive,
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  Speaker 3: like looking around, trying to figure out if anybody's watching him,
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  Speaker 3: anything like that. And he walks directly over to me
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  Speaker 3: and he has like a binder in his arms.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, I was out here. I saw you
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  Speaker 1: out here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm distributing these magazines or pamphlets, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And, um, Yeah. And he said, so I figured I'd
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  Speaker 1: stop and give them to you. Are your parents home?
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  Speaker 3: And during this whole interaction, he's a very respectable distance away.
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  Speaker 3: He's not all up in my space again, not looking around.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh no, my parents aren't, or
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  Speaker 3: this is not my house. I said, this is not
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  Speaker 3: my house. This is my friend's house. And Her house
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  Speaker 3: is in a neighborhood where the houses are relatively close together.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's people driving up and down the street. There's
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  Speaker 3: neighbors mowing their grass and doing yard work. Like there's
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  Speaker 3: always people around. And so I had, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: a sense of security. And so I said, this is
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  Speaker 3: my friend's house. And he said, okay, well, what about
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  Speaker 3: her parents or her parents home? And I said, no,
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  Speaker 3: her mom's not here. And he said, okay, well, I'll
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  Speaker 3: just leave them. I'll just leave these and maybe you
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  Speaker 3: can put them inside and you can give them to
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  Speaker 3: her when she gets home.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: So natural shift in the conversation for him to enter
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  Speaker 3: my personal space. And upon him entering my personal space
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  Speaker 3: to hand me these items, he hands them with one
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  Speaker 3: hand and with the other hand, puts a gun to
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  Speaker 3: the side of my neck and says, come with me.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's if, If anyone is watching and they
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  Speaker 3: have experienced true fight or flight, like that true autonomic
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  Speaker 3: nervous system, you know that you don't necessarily get to
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  Speaker 3: pick how you respond. No. And so my response, which
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  Speaker 3: I actually forgot for a long time until I was
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  Speaker 3: going back through the reports, because I don't remember saying anything.
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  Speaker 3: And going back through the reports, I went, stop. And
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  Speaker 3: he's like, nope, you're going to come with me. And
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  Speaker 3: to the outside observer, it looked like this man had
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  Speaker 3: his arm around my neck. So he just had his
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  Speaker 3: arm right around here. And the handgun was really small,
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  Speaker 3: so couldn't see it. So he walked me around to
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  Speaker 3: the driver's side of his car. He opened the driver's
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  Speaker 3: door and put the seat forward and said, get in.
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  Speaker 3: And I looked in the back seat. There's a large
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  Speaker 3: plastic container back there.
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  Speaker 1: He would store things. off-season clothing or.
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  Speaker 3: Your Christmas kind of yeah like a plastic rubber made
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  Speaker 3: kind of container and um I said where am I
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  Speaker 3: supposed to go he said get in the container and
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  Speaker 3: so I did so I got in the container he
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  Speaker 3: loosely kind of set the lid on put the seat
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  Speaker 3: back got in the car backed out of the driveway
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  Speaker 3: and so I I instantly kind of intuitively again my
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  Speaker 3: parents didn't this was I was born in the 80s.
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  Speaker 3: Our parents were not giving us any sort of conversations
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  Speaker 3: like we have with our kids nowadays. I instinctually somehow
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  Speaker 3: knew what was going to happen. I knew that grown
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  Speaker 3: men don't kidnap teenage girls for anything other than nefarious reasons.
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  Speaker 1: And so I.
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  Speaker 3: Also knew that I instantly knew I'm going to escape.
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  Speaker 3: So I had this end vision for how this whole
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  Speaker 3: situation was going to play out. And so I viewed
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  Speaker 3: the entire experience through that. And so I said, when
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  Speaker 3: I escape, I'm going to need to know where I am.
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  Speaker 3: And so I started paying attention to the turns and smart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And again, it was instinctual. Totally. One of the
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  Speaker 1: things that people are kind of blown away. Did your
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  Speaker 1: parents tell you to do this? Right. Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: This was... Survival instinct. Right. And this is something that
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  Speaker 1: everyone really has. Yeah. So I was paying attention to
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  Speaker 1: the turns and pretty much knew where we were.
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  Speaker 3: And then when I felt us get on the highway,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, no way I'm going to know
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  Speaker 3: where I am. So what other things can I... can
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  Speaker 3: I lock into my brain? I don't know how they're
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  Speaker 3: going to be useful, but somehow they'll be useful. And so, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I can memorize this serial number that's on the inside
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  Speaker 3: of this container. I can figure out, I can listen
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  Speaker 3: to the radio station that he is listening to and
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  Speaker 3: memorize that.
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  Speaker 1: Like I can tell what time of day it is.
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  Speaker 3: Just any little thing that I could remember to lend
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  Speaker 3: details to this story for when I escaped. And so
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  Speaker 3: he drove for a little while, got off the interstate,
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  Speaker 3: pulled over, kind of took the lid off and put
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  Speaker 3: a ball gag in my mouth and told me to
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  Speaker 3: scream as loud as I could.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, okay, good. Kind of put the lid
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  Speaker 1: back on. Yeah, and then drove for a couple more minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know. And now I have children and I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Just- Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It hits different. Of course. Of course. And I
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  Speaker 1: have a daughter now. I have sons and recently had
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  Speaker 1: a daughter. And so it hits different now. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: But he drove for a couple more minutes and parked
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  Speaker 3: the car. He said, I'm going to get out of
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  Speaker 3: the car and you have to be quiet.
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  Speaker 1: And he came back.
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  Speaker 3: After a minute or two and picked up the container
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  Speaker 3: with me in it carried it a couple steps set
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  Speaker 3: it down and drug it and i could tell it
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  Speaker 3: was being drug over concrete and then i could feel
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  Speaker 3: it go up over a threshold to what was what
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  Speaker 3: i found out was his apartment and so um that
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  Speaker 3: began an 18 hour ordeal where i was with this
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  Speaker 3: stranger i was his victim of opportunity i eventually found
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  Speaker 3: out that um I was just kind of in the
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  Speaker 3: wrong place at the wrong time, to be quite honest.
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  Speaker 1: So he wasn't stalking you at all? Like it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a preplanned? Not me.
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  Speaker 3: He was the kind of person who did stalk victims.
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  Speaker 3: And he actually tried to approach a couple of other
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  Speaker 3: girls that day and was unsuccessful.
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  Speaker 1: And so I just happened to be there. And nobody
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  Speaker 1: was on the street. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Well, the neighbor was in the backyard and saw
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  Speaker 3: me get in the car and he, I wasn't kicking
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  Speaker 3: or screaming. So he said, well, it looked like she
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  Speaker 3: was going willingly.
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  Speaker 1: This is the kind of car.
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  Speaker 3: And this was at the inception of Amber alerts. And
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  Speaker 3: so this would have been a perfect opportunity for an
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  Speaker 3: Amber alert, but it wasn't really widespread like it is
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  Speaker 3: now because they knew what the man looked like. They
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  Speaker 3: knew what the car looked like, but I was, when
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  Speaker 3: my friend got out of the shower and and she
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  Speaker 3: saw that I wasn't there. Yeah, old her mom, she
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  Speaker 3: called my mom, she called my boyfriend, and no one
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  Speaker 3: knew where I was. So obviously, they contacted law enforcement,
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  Speaker 3: who then talked to the neighbor, and they were like, Oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: she must have gone willingly.
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  Speaker 1: She must be a runway. Okay, and no, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: take plates or anything, because that wasn't really a right? No, no,
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  Speaker 1: my God, nothing. And how sorry, how long was that
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  Speaker 1: car ride? Do you know?
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  Speaker 3: So now knowing about how I know where I was
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  Speaker 3: and where I was taken from. So probably 15, 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. I just must've felt like, I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 1: It was very surreal.
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  Speaker 3: It's, you know, I, I find that whenever you're in
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  Speaker 3: these fight or flight situations, time is an illusion really.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It goes slow. It goes fast.
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  Speaker 3: It's so weird. Sometimes it feels like it's slowed down
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  Speaker 3: in slow motion. I was in his apartment for 18 hours.
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  Speaker 3: During those 18 hours, I was assaulted multiple times. He
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  Speaker 3: told me, when I'm done with you, heavy air quotes.
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  Speaker 3: When I'm done with you, I'm going to take you
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  Speaker 3: somewhere where you don't know where you are. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to let you go. And then it's your decision if
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  Speaker 3: you go to law enforcement or not. And you're always
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  Speaker 3: known as the girl who was, that was like one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that he said. Um, also let's watch
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  Speaker 3: the news and see if anyone misses you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And of course I wasn't on the news because, um,
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  Speaker 3: I was a runaway and.
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  Speaker 1: There wasn't an Amber alert. And But I knew.
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  Speaker 3: I knew that my family knew that I wasn't a runaway.
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  Speaker 1: I knew they were worried.
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  Speaker 3: And I also knew that at some point, this person
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  Speaker 3: was going to let his guard down. You can't be
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  Speaker 3: vigilant all the time. And so everyone's heard fight or flight.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually been expanded in the last couple of years
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  Speaker 3: to fight, flight, freeze. And some people say appease, but
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  Speaker 3: I think fawn is a little more or some people
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  Speaker 3: say fawn. I think appease is more accurate because my
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  Speaker 3: my response was exactly that to appease. And so what
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  Speaker 3: that means for anyone who's like, I don't I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what that means.
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  Speaker 1: It's basically this. If you think of.
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  Speaker 3: Two dogs interacting and you have one dog that's very
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  Speaker 3: much more dominant and more powerful. And then you have
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  Speaker 3: the other dog that's more submissive. And that dog kind
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  Speaker 3: of stays low.
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  Speaker 1: Tucks its head. It might show its belly.
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  Speaker 3: It shows that it's not a threat so that it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't get injured by the more dominant dog. So that's
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  Speaker 3: a perfect example of what appeases. So for me, what
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  Speaker 3: that looked like is I'm going to go along with
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  Speaker 3: what he wants me to do. I'm going to ask
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  Speaker 3: him if I can sweep his kitchen while he's making dinner.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to have conversations with him. I was able
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  Speaker 3: to remain very calm because a really cool thing that
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  Speaker 3: our brain does in trauma very often is it will.
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  Speaker 1: shut down.
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  Speaker 3: That emotional brain. And it does that so that you
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  Speaker 3: can be very analytical. So I could have a conversation
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  Speaker 3: with him and find out that he was in the military.
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  Speaker 1: I could try to.
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  Speaker 3: Gather information from the magnets on his refrigerator that was
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  Speaker 3: his doctor and his dentist to the animals that were
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  Speaker 3: in the apartment to when I was in the bathroom
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  Speaker 3: seeing feminine hygiene products and hairspray and a hairbrush with
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  Speaker 3: long red hair. So I'm gathering all of this information
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  Speaker 3: to try to identify him or, you know, notice that
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  Speaker 3: there's these things in the bathroom that indicate that a
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  Speaker 3: woman lives here, at least in part. And so trying
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  Speaker 3: to gather all of this information for when I do
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  Speaker 3: escape while I'm outwardly appeasing him and trying to remain
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  Speaker 3: calm because I knew that at some point, he's probably
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  Speaker 3: going to go to sleep. And that's going to be
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  Speaker 3: my best, my best opportunity. And so that that proved
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  Speaker 3: to be true. So he restrained me for bed. And,
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  Speaker 3: and he had given me a Valium at that point.
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  Speaker 3: And so I fell asleep. I had handcuffs on my
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  Speaker 3: wrist that had a like a call it a, it's
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  Speaker 3: a quick link. It's like a carabiner with like a
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  Speaker 3: screw clasp on it. So a quick link around the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the handcuffs that was attached to a rope
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  Speaker 3: that was tied to the.
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  Speaker 1: Frame of the bed.
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  Speaker 3: And then I had a leg restraint on my right
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  Speaker 3: leg that was attached to the foot of the bed.
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  Speaker 3: And so under all of those circumstances, I fell asleep
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  Speaker 3: for a few hours, not very long, woke up very
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  Speaker 3: early in the.
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  Speaker 1: This was it.
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  Speaker 3: This was the moment that I had been waiting for.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: And he was never going to be more complacent than
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: when he was asleep. And so he was asleep in
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the bed next to me. And I recognized I have
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: to get my hands free first.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Couldn't squeeze my hands out of the handcuffs.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: So I actually had to use my teeth to unscrew
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: the quick link.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Slid the handcuffs up and out of that. Kind of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: shimmied down my leg. Disconnected the leg restraints. Slid out
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of bed.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I think I can't remember at what point I was
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: eventually able to squeeze one of my hands out of
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: the handcuffs. And the front door was kind of barricaded
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: more or less. There's just like a lot of stuff
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: in the way.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Yeah. So he's literally, this is a maybe.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: 600 square foot apartment.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: And so the other side of the wall from the
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: front door is his bedroom where he's asleep. And then
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: he's sleeping in a bed that's right next to a
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: window that looks out on the front door. And so
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I knew I had to be extremely quiet and I
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: had one shot at this and somehow kudos to adrenaline
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: and And God, I don't like.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. An angel, guardian angel. Yes.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I was able to move everything, unlock the door and
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: throw it open all in one fell swoop.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And, and I just thought he's going to wake up.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: He's going to grab the gun that's on his nightstand
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and he's going to look out the window and he's
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: going to shoot me in the back. And I thought, but,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: but that's okay because I'm out and somebody is going
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: to find him. And At least he'll get caught. And
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: so I had straight up tunnel vision. I looked around,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: saw a car.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Driving across the parking lot and and just ran out
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in front of it and flagged it down. There were
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: two men inside and I said I was kidnapped and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I escaped from that apartment and I turned around and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: pointed to it. And I said, remember that apartment because
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: they all look the same. Yeah. And they said it
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was like a town or condo townhouse kind of situation. Yeah. Well,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: it's apartments like two story apartments.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: With exterior entrances.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And so I knew all I knew is it was
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a bottom left apartment. and and they said okay what.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Do you want us to do where do you want
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: to go and i said take me to law enforcement
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: so so they take me there more or less drop
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: me off in the parking lot oh.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: What they didn't come in with you No. Oh, were
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you scared? Like, was it because it was two men?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Were you like now in that situation where you were like, uh,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: now I'm scared to get in a car with two men?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Or were you just like... I wasn't.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: That's something that I get asked regularly, because I think
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: that would be a very normal reaction.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: But no, I.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: At that point, I was like, you're the only people
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: out here. It's very early, maybe like six.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Six and seven in the morning. So not a lot
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: of people play the odds. It's like one shot.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: This happened. What's the chance of it happening again? I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: would say it's not zero. Absolutely.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Dark humor is a great mechanism. I Yeah, I understand. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. No, sorry. Sorry.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Continue.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: No, it's okay. So I run into the sheriff's department.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It's a region.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: So like a substation. So they're not like staffed 24
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: hours a day. They're not really staffed period. It's just
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: kind of like a place they can get together and meet.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And so get to the region and I'm running through
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: and I hear a little voice, a little voice.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: No, I hear, I hear a voice saying, ma'am, excuse me.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Can I help you, ma'am?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: And go in there. There's one deputy in there. And
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I say, my name's Carrie Robinson. I was kidnapped and
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I escaped. And the two men that brought me in
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: know the apartment complex and the apartment that I came
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: out of.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: And he said, okay, well, let's, let's sit down. Let's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: get your information. We'll look you up.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Has trouble finding me in NCIC, which is the national
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: combined index for crime database. Uh, so it's where they
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: list missing cars, stolen cars, missing persons, et cetera. And
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: having some trouble looking me up eventually finds me in there.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: And he's like, okay.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Uh, eventually after I'm there for like 10 minutes, uh,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: calls my mom and tells her that I'm there and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: she's on the way.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And he just, he, uh, He lets an investigator know.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So the investigator is on the way and the investigator
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: gets there and he.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Removes the handcuff from my other wrist. And he says,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: so we talked to the men that brought you in.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: And they don't know the apartment that you came out of.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, awesome. One job, one job. I did
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: like a thousand things and they couldn't do that one. Right. Right.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: One job guys. Um, so do.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: You think that if we go back, you could point
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: out the apartment? Like I kind of doubt it, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I'm willing to try. And so get in the car
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: with the investigator. We go over there as expected and
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: They all look the same. And, but we do see
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a man that's like a maintenance kind of man driving
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: around on golf cart.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: And I say.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, so it's a bottom left apartment. These are the
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: animals that are in the apartment. This is what the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: inside of the apartment looks like. This is what the
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: man looks like. This is the car that he drives.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: And there's a woman with long red hair that lives
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: there with them. And he goes, I'm pretty sure I
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: knew what apartment that is. So instantly he's like, yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I know. So I go back to
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: the sheriff's department and my mom's there. She takes me
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: to the hospital to get the exam done. And while
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I'm there, investigators bring me a photo lineup. So fairly quickly,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: they're able to identify who he is. And I immediately
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: identify my captor and find out his name for the
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: first time. It's Richard Marka Bonnets. And he's obviously not
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: at the apartment.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So I get the kit done. I go home.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I'm giving statements, having all of these interactions with law
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: enforcement over the next couple of days.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And all I really know during that time is he
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: is nowhere to be found.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not getting a lot of updates, even though, um, I,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I was always like 13 going on 30.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I was always like very mature and.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I essentially gave them the information to like solve the case,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: but I'm not getting updates really. And except we don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: know where he is, uh, until one morning I wake
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: up in the morning and find out that they not
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: only found him, but he's killed himself. And so his
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: sister more or less turned him in and an operation
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: was set up in Florida. So all of this happened
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: in South Carolina. He was going to meet his sister
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: in Florida. He somehow got spooked and I guess noticed
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: that there was law enforcement there, led them on a
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: police chase that ended in them deploying stop sticks, blowing
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: out his tires, and he shot himself. So yeah, I was,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I was immediately just, I was pissed. I was like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I did all of this and I, I wanted, um,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I wanted to sit in a courtroom and I wanted
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: him to look at me and know that not only
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: was he outsmarted by a 15 year old girl, um,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: but that I was the biggest mistake that he ever
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: made and that I was his downfall. I wanted that,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that like justice that like in your face, I'm not
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: just the girl that was, I'm the girl that was
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: smarter than you.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I wanted him to know that his.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Victim of opportunity was, was just the worst decision that
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: he ever made. And so I was really pissed off
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: for a really long time, but eventually I realized that
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: by him taking his life, I was spared a trial.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: So There's certain details that would have come out in
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: a trial of things that happened in the apartment that
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: my parents, the media, my friends, my boyfriend never had
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: to hear those details. And so I was thankful for that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: And law enforcement, whenever they served the search warrant on
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: his house, found some pretty disturbing information. that led them
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to believe that he may be linked to some other
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: homicides that were unsolved in Virginia.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: So they immediately.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Notified the task force for those homicides who came down,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: collected evidence. And this all happened in June of 2002.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: By August, he was positively identified as the person responsible
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: for Katie and Kristen Lisk and Sophia Silva in 1996
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: and 1997. And so, so I effectually said, ended the
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: career of a serial killer. My belief is that he.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Was responsible for much more.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: And that was something that he more or less told
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: his sister whenever he was on the run. But as
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of today, he has not been connected to anything else,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: which is now the reason why I'm mad that he
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: took his own life, because I genuinely believe that he
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: would have confessed to other.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Things that happened. So for other people and everything. Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So, so that's, I guess that wasn't, is that it?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Um, no, that, no, I think, no, thank you so
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: much for saying all this.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Sorry. Continue.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Through that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Um, I think that's the thing that most people want
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: to hear about, but I find in these stories, the
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: interesting things are not these things that someone else chose
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: to do me. Someone else chose to kidnap me, chose me.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: me and would have murdered me.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. That would have happened.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: But I think the interesting thing in these stories and
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: what really sticks with us and empowers us is what
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: people do afterwards.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And so for me, I had many interactions with law
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: enforcement and most notably had, I was kidnapped from one
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: County and I was found in the neighboring County I
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: escaped in the neighboring county. So had interactions with two
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: different law enforcement jurisdictions. And one sheriff said 24 hours
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: later was at my house and said, well, you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: that guy was going to kill you, right?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, you should be dead right now. which
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we didn't know at that time no right like he
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: was not identified as the person responsible for those homicides
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: um but also like was it necessary no was it empowering.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Was it helpful no it was it was completely unnecessary
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: to say that um yeah and then i have the
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: county that i was recovered in that i that actually
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: handled the case that sheriff was like i'm so proud
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: of you like you are so brave.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: He took me.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: With him to give an award to the men that
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: took me to the sheriff's department. He gave me awards
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: for bravery. The next summer he called my mom and said.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Do you think Kara would like a summer job working
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: at the sheriff's department? And so I did.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: So I went doing administrative work and worked at the
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: sheriff's department all through high school and college and and
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: he more or less became like another father figure for
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: me like he'd come and check my grades every semester
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: he'd show up at my desk he'd be like let
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: me see your report card oh come on yeah oh
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: that's awesome yeah he has he has uh daughters and
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: so I just became another one of those for all
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: intents and purposes and so whenever it was time for
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: me to graduate from college, he said, well, you'll always
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: have a job here doing whatever you want.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And he said, do you want to be.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: A school resource officer? Because I was thinking about being
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: a teacher. I was going to change my major in
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: my fourth year, of course, as one does.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: As you do.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Because, you know, I was majoring in psychology, which tell
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: me you have trauma. Just major in psychology or get therapy.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. I also did the psychology route and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I went into teaching as well. Yeah, I was literally, like,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: my senior year of college, and I was like, maybe
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I'll change to early childhood education. And so he was like,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you know, do you want to be a school resource officer?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll try it. Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And went to the academy and found out that I
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: loved it. I grew up, I was a tomboy. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: so I grew up, like, driving go karts.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And doing all that stuff. And so the Academy was
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: just like the adult version of this. And everybody wants
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: it to be like this, this big, beautiful story of like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I wanted to have retribution and help people who went
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: through things like me.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, I liked, um, driving cars. Yeah. Hey,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: whatever floats your boat, your life, you know?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: And I, and I essentially grew up there too. So
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: it was a family for me. And so, um, So
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: went to work at the sheriff's department and worked there
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: as a school resource officer and then transitioned to investigations
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: where I investigated child cases and then eventually moved to
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: victims advocacy. And I worked as a victims advocate, a
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: sworn victims advocate until the birth of my first child.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: And then just kind of put a pause on that
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: and never went back and kind of transitioned what I
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: do to work. doing keynotes and showing up on social
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: media and this weird world that we live in now.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, where did you meet your husband in there?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Out of curiosity. I met my husband in law enforcement. So, yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: So I met him working at the sheriff's department, which
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: is a funny story. It's like that we both worked
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: at this agency.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: We both had like a lot of things where we
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: should have met at other times in our lives, like
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of overlap, but met at the sheriff's department and, uh,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: we're married within a year.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So just immediately, immediately knew.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: And, and so forever thankful to the sheriff because not
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: only did he give me a career, a second family,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: like that's how I met my husband. That's the reason
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I have my children.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And, and yeah, so that's, Kind of the flyover. Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: It's like the, you know, the transatlantic flyover. Yeah, for sure.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's hard to even, I mean, you
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: read about it and then you can watch videos, you
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: can watch other people talk about it, but then, I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: don't know, hearing it from you and then just like
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the point of view from you is so, I don't know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I want to say inspiring and also gut-wrenching, like listening
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to you. And I'm sorry if it makes you kind
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: of relive it. I'm sure you've said this story so
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: many times, so I really do appreciate you sharing it again.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: But I think what you.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Said is so impactful and important about survivors after the fact,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: because everyone focuses so much on just reliving all the
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: shit that happened. And then it's like, okay, that's how they,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that's how they're defined, which is so not the case
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: because you're, I mean, I've watched your content now and
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: you're just doing so much other stuff.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Like it's so incredible.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: And with your keynote speaking and everything like that, what
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: are you doing with that?
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: So when I first started, it was more or less like, hey,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: come and share your story. And it's always been as
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: easy for me to share my story as I'm sharing
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: it with you today. And that's because of that dissociation,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: that shutting off the emotional impact of what was happening to.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Me in the moment. So I went and shared as
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: much as I was asked.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: And I did that up until I had my first
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: son and realized I wanted to put a pause on that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Pause it because I was like, I don't really know
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: why I'm sharing. I'm sharing because people are asking. And
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I was asked to be interviewed by Elizabeth Smart. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I thought I would do that because I feel like
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: she's not going to do to me what a lot
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: of other producers and media sources have done to me,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: which is, um, well, can you retell this part of
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: your story, but put a little more emotion into it?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Um, right. And, and so, yeah, it's, it's pretty horrific.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: And so, um, So I was like, I'll do that interview.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: And when I did that interview, I recognized that I
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: was in a very unique position at that point that
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of people don't get to be in, which
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: is I was sitting across from someone who understood things
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: that I didn't always know how to put into words.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And so that kind of became my why that I
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: wanted other people to be able to experience these positive
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: things that I did. And once you know your final destination,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: once you know your why, it becomes a lot easier
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: to navigate there. It's like getting in your car. If
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: you don't know where you're going, you're just going to
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: drive around aimlessly, which was what I was doing. And
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: so once I knew my why, I knew that I
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: was going to be doing keynotes to educate, to inspire,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: to uplift. And my favorite keynotes to give are always
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: to law enforcement because... I think it's so important for
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: law enforcement to know that they can make minor changes
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: in the way that they speak to people. And it
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: can impact how someone views themselves. If they identify as
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: a victim, if they identify as a survivor, if they
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: identify as someone who is defined by what happened, but
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: that's not defined.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And so... I do that. And I also.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Share to nonprofits and just it's essentially anyone who I.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Can share with.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: It's it's still that, but really just keeping the central
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: message of like going from being a victim to like
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: this place of valor.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And and so it's it's. It's fun.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: It's one of the most rewarding things that I do.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Every time I do it, I've had a little bit
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: of a break because I had a baby.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. She's perfect. And took
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a break. And I'm like, I'm ready.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to do it again. Because every time I
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: do a keynote, I'm like, this is what it's about.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Because I think if we can learn from other people's
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: stories how to do better, And especially how to empower people,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: because let's be honest, no one gets through their life
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: without something difficult happening. So, like, what does it look
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: like to pick yourself up by your bootstraps and not
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: be defined by these difficult things that happen?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And so that's.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Kind of the backbone of what I do, but then
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: do a lot of one-on-one advocacy work and social media.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who does that? Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yuck.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: No, but it is, it is truly so impactful.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And what you said about the, what the two police
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: officers said, said, I think is so interesting because as
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: soon as you said that, I was like, like, great.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So heart wrenching. Like how dare just the insensitivity of,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: And I've read so many cases where people or even
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: belittled about like, well, it wasn't that bad.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it was only this.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Which I don't know if you've experienced that to me.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So only 18 hours. Oh, my gosh. Like, it's just
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: only 18 hours because I escaped. Yes.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: And it trickles down to your event, to other people,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to other people that have experienced it. or any other
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: sort of, then it's just like, it's, it's not bad enough.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: It's not this. So it's just, right. Because we're so desensitized, right?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Because there's so many.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Horrific stories that we can consume at any given moment. And, Um,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I know that like true crime is the number one,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: like fastest growing genre in media. And I, I honestly
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: don't know how people consume it at the rate that
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Like I, I don't personally consume it cause I've lived it. Right.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Like I've lived it in two different realms. I lived
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: it and I investigated it and I worked in it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: And so to me, I'm just, it's just not something
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: that's compelling to me, but, um, But I mean, and
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I also don't I don't know if things are done
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: ethically and I can't consciously consume something unless I know
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: it is an ethical production. And so I recently consumed
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: two true crime docuseries that I knew were done ethically
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: and or were about people that I personally know. And
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I thought about it for for like a week. It
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: can they consumed my thoughts and I was like, how
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: do people do this?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so hard. No, you're right. And people do
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: get desensitized. And for me personally, I mean, my mother
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: was dateline cops. That's all we watched as kids. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: then I went into criminology and psychology and all that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And I think the psychological and aspect of I've had
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: my own circumstances.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Happen.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: And, and that aspect of it is very interesting, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: also in a, in a, in the frame of mind
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: of speaking to other victims and talking about people's stories and, and, and,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: bringing awareness to it is, is where I come from
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: in that sense. But there's, there are so many people
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: that just tell the story and they're like, subscribe and
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: ended up.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And it's like, okay.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, no, there is a very fine line and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I think people need to be careful with, with how they,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: with how they go about it as well, which is
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: a very, very good point. Um, and yeah, no, I think,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I think everything you do is so, so incredible. And I,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and I also want to make sure that everybody knows
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: where to find you as well. So what, what's, what's your,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: what's your plug?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: What's your hand? Yeah. So I am all up on
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the internet. Yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, I know you get it. I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: totally get it. It's it's when people are like, what
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: is your job? I'm like, I hate. Yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Like when I'm traveling people, I'm like, Oh, I'm traveling
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: for work.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you do? And I'm like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Social media is a jar. You know, it's bigger because
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I was kidnapped when I was 15. Like, why do
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you tell people that? No, you can't.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: It's so weird.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I have to have like an elevator pitch, which is
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: like when I don't want to have that conversation.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I am mostly on Instagram and TikTok, trying
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: to branch into other things. But my handle in all
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: of the places is Kara Robinson Chamberlain. I have a website,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Kara Robinson Chamberlain. I host a podcast with my friend
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: and fellow survivor, Kimberly Corbin. It's called Survivor's Guide to
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: True Crime.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Because we felt like captive audience was maybe a little
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: too dark. as our podcast name. So we're like, it
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: was a captive audience was the name. That's amazing. Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: So we saved it for our Patreon.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: We'll let the people who pay be our captive audience.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: We're like, we got to capture those analytics.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: So survivor's guide to true crime is like our, you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: our public appearance.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: And we're like captive audience. We, we couldn't let it go. No,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: that's great. I love that so much.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: And there's a movie about this whole endeavor as well.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: There's a People magazine.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: So whenever I met Elizabeth, and I recognized that I
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: wanted to do more keynotes, do more media, things like that,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I realized that I needed something to point people to. Like,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: here's my story. Here's how you consume it. And So
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I asked Elizabeth if she had a recommendation for a
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: production company, which she did. And so I worked with
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: them and was an executive producer on my documentary, which
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: is Escaping Captivity, the Kara Robinson story. And then about
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: a year later, someone approached me from Lifetime and they
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: asked if I wanted to do a movie. Went back
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: to my friends at the production company and said, you
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: got this, got this message.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: And I've never really been.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Interested in a movie to be honest, because I don't like, um,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: like recreations and dramas.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And I said, but I would trust you guys to
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: do it because I know you're ethical.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I know that I would be involved, which is very
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: important when survivors are telling their stories. And so they
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: were like, yeah, if you want to do it, like,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: let's do it. And so went and did a movie
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and was, was, Involved from the very inception to the end.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: And that's called The Girl Who Escaped, the Kara Robinson story.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: And so both of those are online. They're both on Apple,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I know. And then the movie is on Hulu. And
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: it's all over the place if you Google it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure but i'm glad to hear a bit.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: On tiktok yeah of course of course freaking tiktok.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Next to um asmr videos of someone playing with like
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: putty or something.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Um don't even talk to me about asmr man i
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: just went on a rant on tiktok about how much
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: i hate as asmr people the eating ones uh I
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: hate it so much it makes me physically mad.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Like well just do it my my movie or my
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: videos and it's you know like someone like brushing hair
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: and I'm like.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: This is weird it's just like put these things together
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: no no it's just yeah TikTok's a horrible place and
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I could say that because we're on YouTube right now
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: yeah it's become very different and um it's different yeah
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and navigating social media and stuff after after all this
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: has happened how has that been How has it been?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Because it's a gross place sometimes. It depends on the day,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to be honest.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: When I was kind of getting back into this, I
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: knew that I had to have a following more or less, right?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Like if I want to do a movie, if I
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: want to do keynote speaking, people have to know who
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I am. And so at that point, TikTok was just
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: arriving on the scene. And Instagram, I was like, I'm
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: a little fish in a gigantic, I mean, in the ocean, basically.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Not even a pond. Facebook, ew. YouTube, again.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Again, like old people, don't worry about that. And then YouTube, again,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: like a tiny fish in the ocean. And so I
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: was like, but this TikTok thing might work. And so
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: started there and pretty quickly went viral with content and
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: began to make connections So I hate to be.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Like an old timer, like, back when my day on TikTok.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: You and me both, baby. Me and me both.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: But then it was just like this incredibly amazing supportive place,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: which I'm sure you experienced then.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Like in its inception, there were no trolls.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Mm-mm.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: There was no other place on the internet like that. And,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and so I was making connections with people like I
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: will never forget one woman that I shepherded her through
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: my inbox into leaving a trafficking situation. Like I talked
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to her through the entire process and like helped her
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: leave and helped her find help and gave her the
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: courage to, to do something that was very, very difficult
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: and made one of my best friends in the world,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: my podcast co-host, I made a friend there, Kim Corbin.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So it's been very interesting. And I think we are
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: in this unique age where you can, kind of the
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: beauty of social media now is that the algorithm automatically
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: serves your content to the people who need to hear
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: your content.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: And so, so as long as I keep talking about
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: it in, in ways that help people, then they're receiving it.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: And obviously through the movie, it kind of blew up.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: And the actress that played me, Katie Douglas has a
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: very much cult following. And so, so ended up with
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: a ton of younger people, which has been different to
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: me to interact with them. They, You know, I shudder
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: to think what it would be like if I would
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: have been on TikTok at 15.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. I don't like to think about it. Well,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: there's like very young children on TikTok.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, I wasn't even born when this happened.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And with having kids now, how old are your kids?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: My oldest, it will be 11 next month. Okay. So
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: how do you feel with that?
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah um yeah no they can't have social media.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah no that's that's i mean i'm kidless and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: i'm like they'll never have it right i'm like.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: No they they barely like i have all of their
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: stuff just locked down it's a scary world i think
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: it is you know we we um we think that
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I think the world is changing, but I think historically
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: we have been afraid of, you know, the person with
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: the free candy man or, you know, with the missing puppy. Um,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: but really our children, if they're going to be a
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: victim of a stranger assault, which is fairly rare, um,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: if they're going to be a victim of a stranger
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: assault at this point, it's coming from online. It's not
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: coming from someone riding around looking for a victim of opportunity.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: There's way too many cameras for that. Um, So so realistically,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: it's one of the questions I get a ton is
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: what is parenting look like?
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. With your story.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: And and I think it's made me a more conscious parent.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of stuff that I maybe
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: would not have discussed or I would have handled differently
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: with my children. Because we're really big on consent. It's,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, you don't want to hug that person?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Cool. Don't hug them. We're really big on proper anatomical terms.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Like my oldest, he was two and he was like,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: you have a vagina.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And I was like, bro, I do. Like, way to go. So,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Because we don't, if there's ever a situation where God
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: forbid my children are I don't want there to be
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: any confusion about what was touched and what was wrong. And, uh,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and we have very, especially now that my, my boys
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: are getting older, we have very open conversations about like, Hey.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Your friends are on Roblox. And the reason you're not
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: on Roblox is because that's where predators live.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. 100%. So many.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And they know like, hey.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take a video of you doing something
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: maybe to tell a point, but I'm not going to
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: show your face.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to share your name.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I want to protect their privacy because I think that
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: we are learning or we will be learning. The implications
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: of sharing thousands of images. And when we talk about
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: like AI deep fakes, I can't even, I can't even
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: think of the implications of sharing images of my children.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: So we have a lot of very open conversations about
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: kind of why we do the things that we do
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: and And they know my story to like an age
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: appropriate level. Obviously at eight and 10, almost 11, my
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: boys can't necessarily comprehend what is, but they know that
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: someone took me from my mommy and daddy. And that's
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: why we have standards and we have rules because we
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: want to keep them safe, which I can't do my
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: job and live in the same house with them and have,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: you know, awards behind me. I have to be open
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: to all these things, obviously. And I think that they're,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: they're better for that. And ultimately I don't want my
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: children to be victims. And so I'm laying the groundwork
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: for that, but I'm also trying to lay the groundwork
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: for them to not be offenders.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. With having boys and
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you're just like, you can't not think about that of
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: course of course and obviously i mean it's it sounds
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: like they're going to be like the most gentlemanly respectful
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: i hope so like some days i i question eight
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: and eleven i mean i'm sure they're just like little
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: terrors at some points they're they're great.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: But sometimes i'm like oh you might be a sociopath Yeah,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: you're looking for it constantly, I'm sure.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: And everybody, I'm assuming, do you find that you overanalyze
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that you meet? I actually have
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: a kind of funny story about that.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: So I did a podcast conference, I think it's podcast
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: movement about a year and a half ago. And I
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: was there with Kim Corbin. And we were talking to
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: this guy that attended our session. And after we stepped away,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: she was like, well, that guy was creepy.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, he was?
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: She was like, oh, he had like major serial killer vibes.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't pick up on that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I think we've established I don't pick.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Up on serial killer vibes. So I didn't get those vibes.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: You're just empathetic. I'm like, I don't know. He seemed weird,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I guess. He's probably a nice guy. He probably had
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: a bad day.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: She was like, his background photo was a photo of him.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like, what? yeah, that's kind of weird.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: She's like, I saw his phone background and it was
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: a photo of himself. And I was like, I mean, I,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I guess that's okay. That's pretty funny. That's pretty good.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: But I don't pick up on those.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: You just see the best in everybody or try to,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I guess, give everybody the benefit of the doubt.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: I question like, is it trauma or is it autism
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: on a regular basis?
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I don't, I don't know. I have no idea.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I might have a little bit of autism or it
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: might just be trauma. Who knows?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Who knows? Yeah, that's fair.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: My, my partner is, has, has autism as well. And
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the way he navigates the world, the way I navigate
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the world are so different. And he does that. He's
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: just kind of like, doesn't really look into anything as much.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: He's just like, yeah, they're fine or whatever. I'm like, hey,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: let me, I'm just like, I'm in the shit all
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: the time, overanalyzing everything.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: So it's not balanced. Is your husband similar or is
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: he like, he's, uh, he definitely has some ADHD. Okay.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: He was, um, he was in the military. He was
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: special forces in the military. Okay.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: And he also, um, went on and did contract work.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: And so he's like been, and then working at the
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: sheriff's department as well. He's been exposed to like the
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: worst of the worst. So he kind of like, thinks
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: everyone is okay so you got that balance yeah he
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: thinks everyone's negative so um and yeah it's it's funny
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: whenever we talk about i'm like i'm pretty sure i'm
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: autistic and he's like absolutely not there's no way you're
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: autistic and i'm like how often in a conversation do
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: you think about eye contact and he was like what
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: are you talking about.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah So never.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: That's like 80% of my brain capacity in a conversation
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: is how much eye contact am I making?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, pretty sure. Yeah. Hey, man. I mean, the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: spectrum is like.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the spectrum is, I will like analyze this video
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: with Kara.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: How often do you think that about eye contact in
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: a conversation?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And I guarantee. It's a big part of the mental
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: capacity there. It is.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: No, he's always thinking about the best way to respond.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: And it's overanalyzing social interactions to the max. So, no,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: everything you're saying is on par. I'm not going to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: diagnose you. I'm diagnosed, but I'm pretty sure.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I have the ADHD. I have a hat that says, undiagnosed,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure. Pretty autistic. Yeah. I mean, honestly,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: what's the point in a diagnosis is my opinion. It
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It doesn't make a difference in your life.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Everyone creates adaptations to get through life. And I think
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: everyone's a little neurotypical, like, I mean, not neurotypical, neurodivergent,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: a little neurodivergent.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: When I meet someone that's neurotypical, I'm like, Yeah. You're weird.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: What's your life like?
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Your thoughts don't bother you?
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: That's very bizarre. It's rough. So, you know, is it trauma?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Is it neurodivergency? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: all have to figure out how to get through our
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: crap in our lives. It's navigating.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And so I think that that's, I think that
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: that's one of the beautiful things about showing up on
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: social media that I've found is so many people, Not
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: everyone can relate to being kidnapped by a serial killer.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Thank God. Not everyone can relate to that, right?
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Everyone can relate to having something terrible happen and having
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: to figure out how do I navigate this?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: What does my life look like going forward?
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Do I continue to let the decisions of this person
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: control me for the rest of my life?
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Or do I say.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: You know, this really crappy thing happened, but not everything
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: happens for a reason. I can't stand that, but But
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: maybe I can see how this made me into the
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: person that I am today. And I think that that's
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: like humanity. That's the commonality across humanity is that we
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: all have to figure out this thing called life.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: One event doesn't define you, but how you navigate life
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: after that is that it like what you said, it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: just life. It's just, and, and you, you can sharing
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: your story, I think is going to help literally already
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: has helped millions of people and it will help millions more,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: which is, I know like that's an incomprehensible number, but
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: truly like that's what it does. And that's such a
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: crazy thing to think about, but, and yeah, they can
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: take little bits and pieces from, from the story. And,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and I think that what your point of just it
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: being like, yeah, it happened. And now I am a,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: a mother of three beautiful children.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I'm a wife. I'm an advocate. I'm this and this
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and this.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm also a survivor of something that, so it's just,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: it's beautiful and it's wonderful. And thank you so much
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: for sharing everything.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Absolutely.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Just waiting for social media to catch up to like
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: this idea that maybe we can be multifaceted humans that
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: have different things that we do and are interested in and.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Want to talk about. Force it, force it on it.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I literally just made a video where, um, you know,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I'll make a video. I, my last video that I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: went viral for was about low contrast makeup, right? Like
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: totally random. Right.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: But then every video after that, everyone's showing up and
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: they're like.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Is it true? You got kidnapped by a serial killer.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, literally just made a video. And
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, Hey guys, I'm going to tell you
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: about my curly hair routine.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: But first, yes, it's true. I got kidnapped by a
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: serial killer. Yeah. Start every single video that way. Let's
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: go to this workout routine.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: But first, yes, I got kidnapped by a serial killer.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Here's where you can find more information.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Yes. I think the more.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: We are showing up authentically as humans online and showing
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: those different facets. People are going to catch up. They're
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: going to get it. I've watched people change. Even if
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: we're talking about like one of my big things that
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: I talk about a ton is ethics and true crime.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: And I have watched since the inception of TikTok. which
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: it was 2020 when everyone was kind of 2019, 2020,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: when everyone was started.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Is that when you started to 2020.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: 2020, 2020, that was like peak political chaos. Like I'm
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: showing up and sharing a story about how good law
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: enforcement was for me at the peak of ACAB and
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: having very difficult conversations with people. And I'm talking about
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: ethics and true crime when no one else is talking
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: about it. Right. And now people are conscious consumers of
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: true crime. And they they're like they want to to
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: consume things that are done ethically and so um it's
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: proof that if we just keep talking about these things
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: if we just kind of like beat the dead horse
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: yeah eventually everyone will catch on um because i mean
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: i've seen it happen it's just it takes time it's,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: it's hard to be a, uh.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Like a change maker. It's, it's hard to do that.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: And, um, especially with a young audience, like once you,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: like you have like our age kind of, and then.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: There you have like the 14, 15, 16 year olds.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: It's it'll take a while.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out like what that looks like.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I was given that audience for a reason
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and I need to figure out what that looks like.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. it's hard. No, it's yeah. I'm what,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: what year is I'm 38. Yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Like I, I, it's been a really long time since
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I was a teenager now.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Totally. Totally. So yeah, it's different. It really is.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you. I'll talk
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: to you later. Yeah. Have a good rest of your day.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: See you. Bye. Okay, everybody.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed that interview. It was so incredibly
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: eye-opening to hear the accounts from the person themselves that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: actually went through it. And to hear her perspective and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: how she's going through life now. I think it just
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: paints this picture that not a lot of us get
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: to see. And I think it's really important with a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: lot of things that we talked about. And I'd also
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: like you to know that all the proceeds from this
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: video are going to a charity Of Kara's choice, she's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: done so much work in advocating for survivors and giving back,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and I would just like to do something to help.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot to take away from
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: this interview in terms of just life in general, and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: just thinking about how you treat people, especially trauma survivors,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: and just to take into account that anything that anybody's.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Ever been through just.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: you know, being able to put yourself in their shoes
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: or being able to take trauma that you've experienced and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: being able to get past that. I think Kara is
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: a wonderful example of that and she's inspired me a lot.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: So make sure to go check out all of her stuff,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: show her support in her comment sections and I will
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: see you.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: A beautiful face in the next video. Okay, bye.