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Almost Paradise · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, welcome to the almost Famous podcast. We're back
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  Speaker 2: of Paradise is back. It feels like it's been a
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  Speaker 2: long time since I've seen Ben. I told him to
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  Speaker 2: save all his thoughts on this new season of Paradise,
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  Speaker 2: which to remind everyone if it didn't, if it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: latantly obvious to you when you're watching this episode, this
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  Speaker 2: is a whole new production team.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it brings in a few things. One,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't feel like your intros was representing the excited
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  Speaker 3: energy that you and I have towards the start of
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  Speaker 3: a new season of something. But I think the main
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  Speaker 3: point that you just made is super important. It showed
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  Speaker 3: you know, we've talked for months now about Hey, the
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  Speaker 3: production team has gotten fired and nobody that we know
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  Speaker 3: still works there. And I think people maybe from the
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  Speaker 3: outside heard that as a playing as a concern or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But I think watching this episode represents how much a
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  Speaker 3: production team actually has when it comes to how the
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  Speaker 3: show is seen. Like they have a lot of influence.
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  Speaker 3: It is incredibly important, and different productions teams will have
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  Speaker 3: different aspects and this New One took a totally different
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  Speaker 3: route when it comes to Bachelor in Paradise.
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  Speaker 2: It was so stylized and modernized. And I am not
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  Speaker 2: somebody who watches Love Island. I know it is the
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  Speaker 2: biggest show out there right now, so I can't even compare.
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  Speaker 2: Although now I feel like, for research sake, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I have to watch Love Island because it's their
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  Speaker 2: main competition. It's come and it's swooped up what they
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  Speaker 2: had maybe like originated in some sense, and I just
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  Speaker 2: felt like when I watched the first fifteen minutes especially,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, they're trying to be
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  Speaker 2: Love Island. Now, I say this not know and Love
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  Speaker 2: Island very well right, but it's just stylized edited so
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  Speaker 2: much differently. One of the big things that stood out
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  Speaker 2: to me was that we're talking to the barrel the
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  Speaker 2: lens of the camera. We are not talking to a producer,
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  Speaker 2: our eyes are. They're talking directly to the audience.
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  Speaker 3: And we can't be hypocritical. We wanted the aspect of
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  Speaker 3: less production. However, watching this episode, I think we need
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  Speaker 3: to start this episode with some of our complaints and
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  Speaker 3: then end with some of the things that we were
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  Speaker 3: really in favor of and we really enjoyed because there
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  Speaker 3: were those elements as well. For sure, I think personally,
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise's secret sauce was that old style kind
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  Speaker 3: of TV. You watched it and it made you feel
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  Speaker 3: like it hasn't changed in ten years. It was the
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor type TV. It was less produced in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of ways because it was hidden cameras. It wasn't the
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  Speaker 3: highest quality camera. There wasn't like the clip art snapshots
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  Speaker 3: coming in. This did take the Love Island vibe, which
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  Speaker 3: I think is an attempt to modernize Bachelor in Paradise. However,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if Bachelor in Paradise is at a
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  Speaker 3: place to compete with Love Island. I think Bachelor in
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  Speaker 3: Paradise had its own special sauce that Love Island could
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  Speaker 3: never have, and that's why Love Island didn't go with
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  Speaker 3: the Bachelor in Paradise vibe. They went with their own vibe,
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  Speaker 3: and I think the two can coexist. However, now Bachelor
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  Speaker 3: of Paradise is throwing themselves in that Love Island bucket,
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  Speaker 3: and you and I both said we want this less produced.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if this was less produced. I actually
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  Speaker 3: think it was more produced, even with the in camera
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  Speaker 3: talking than previous seasons.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to come across is like slick and to me,
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  Speaker 2: so Love Island is trashy, right, Like, It's like it's
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  Speaker 2: got a lot more edge, it has a lot more
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  Speaker 2: raunch to it, and I think with Paradise, it was
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  Speaker 2: still that Bachelor foundational show where it was like love
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't supposed to be shocking. It was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a little grittier than Paradise, right, but there
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be like a much shock value to it.
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  Speaker 2: And while there weren't a ton of raunchy comments, they
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  Speaker 2: definitely wanted to come across as like it felt like
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  Speaker 2: more of like an MTV dating show where it's like
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  Speaker 2: I'm so and so, and like I'm a bit dip
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  Speaker 2: dipper with my face, like flashing different angles in my face,
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  Speaker 2: like in front of the description of myself. It just
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  Speaker 2: it didn't feel as comfy and warm as Paradise usually feels.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, holy moly, with the HD camera, right, it
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  Speaker 2: looks gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: It looks gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just it's just not homey feeling. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that has to do with location change too.
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  Speaker 2: The resort vibe is going to give more of that sleek,
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  Speaker 2: modern feel than glamping.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so the first comment is out of the way.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to not a criticism, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: old school transition. I think what the transition. My concern is,
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  Speaker 3: can Love Island and Bachelor in Paradise coexist with the
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  Speaker 3: same kind of vibe. I feel like Bachelor Paradise should
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  Speaker 3: have never taken on Love Island, and Love Island should
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  Speaker 3: have never taken on Bachelor in Paradise. They would have
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  Speaker 3: better co existed with the original format. That's my take.
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  Speaker 3: I might be wrong. The second thing actually that I
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  Speaker 3: want to talk to you about that could turn into
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  Speaker 3: a criticism could not. But you've been there, you found love.
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  Speaker 3: There is the resort and the venue change. To me,
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  Speaker 3: it was harder to follow where people were at on
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  Speaker 3: the premises and where people were intermingling and not intermingling
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  Speaker 3: because of this new you know venue. However, I understand
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  Speaker 3: that I need to get used to the new venue.
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  Speaker 3: I will learn it over time, and so this could
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  Speaker 3: just be me not understanding it yet. However, this episode
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  Speaker 3: was harder for me to follow, not harder for me
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  Speaker 3: to watch harder for me to follow because of the
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  Speaker 3: new venue.
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  Speaker 2: It was harder, how so was it harder for you
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  Speaker 2: to follow or where you just felt like, to me,
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  Speaker 2: the venue feels like a date venue. And yes, this
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  Speaker 2: is all because we're comparing it to nine previous years.
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  Speaker 2: But like when Justin was like, Wow, I'm really glad
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  Speaker 2: that we're on a date now. You know it took
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  Speaker 2: a while, but I'm glad that we can have this time.
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  Speaker 2: And then even there was another conversation where Alex was
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  Speaker 2: saying to Jonathan, so, how would being on a date
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  Speaker 2: with me be different than what we're doing right now?
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  Speaker 2: And that's kind of what it felt like during Bachelor
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  Speaker 2: in Paradise. Previously, getting out of play Escandida was like
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  Speaker 2: a treat, and now right now they just feel like
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  Speaker 2: they're already on kind of like a day, like there's
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  Speaker 2: no there's there's not much to be had. Different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was just hard because of it
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  Speaker 3: felt like a cocktail party where there was different like
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  Speaker 3: seat segments and so unlike before where you'd have to
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  Speaker 3: have a couple sitting on a sunbed next to another
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  Speaker 3: couple on a sunbed, now it felt like everybody could
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  Speaker 3: spread out, yeah, in a very comfortable setting. I haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen the places where people can lounge I loved. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why. I just noticed this during like this
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  Speaker 3: episode during Bachelor and Paradise previously, I've loved those sunbeds
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  Speaker 3: where people can like almost lay out and nap. It
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  Speaker 3: felt like this was very RESORTI where it's like we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna sit in two separate chairs side by side, or
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  Speaker 3: on a couch sitting straight up.
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  Speaker 2: Because they could nap in their own rooms. It was
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  Speaker 2: even jarring to hear when there was a thunderstorm that
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  Speaker 2: people had to go to their separate rooms because I'm
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  Speaker 2: assuming that there's no cameras in the bedroom, so if
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  Speaker 2: they can't be outside in the common area, then they
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  Speaker 2: just have to go be alone.
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  Speaker 3: What would happen in bachelom Paradise previously when there was
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  Speaker 3: a thunderstorm.
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  Speaker 2: We would go to the treehouse, which was the lounge
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  Speaker 2: room in the bedroom area. There was like a common
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  Speaker 2: area over on that side, and I always thought it
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  Speaker 2: was weird that they usually didn't use the cameras during
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  Speaker 2: that time. It was like low key shelter together time.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know. There must be some reason for
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  Speaker 2: them not to have the camera equipment out.
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  Speaker 3: The final thing that got brought up via our social
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  Speaker 3: media when it comes to criticisms of this episode before
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  Speaker 3: we get into the breakdown of the episode, which we'll
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  Speaker 3: run through for everybody. This won't be a four hour
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  Speaker 3: podcast like this episode was. Was the Dale Moss love.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of Dale Moss love, especially on his entrance.
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  Speaker 3: Ashley thoughts on the Dale Moss love warranted, unwarranted? How
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  Speaker 3: will Bachelor Nation in a sense the majority respond?
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  Speaker 2: So I put myself into the girl's shoes because as
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  Speaker 2: an outsider and as a fan, I was like, maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm speaking without really knowing Dale, but I've been very
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  Speaker 2: team Claire and all of that, and I always thought
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  Speaker 2: that Dale gave off this ultra polished here for the
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  Speaker 2: fame type vibe, and it was strange to see him
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  Speaker 2: regarded as some sort of fan favorite, which I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he's ever been. And then I put myself in
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  Speaker 2: the girl's shoes and I did feel what Kat felt,
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  Speaker 2: which it was like, Holy, an adult male just showed up,
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of the guys do give off boyish entergy,
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  Speaker 2: but his reputation, if I were there, would have been
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  Speaker 2: more so what I was thinking about. But I totally
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  Speaker 2: understand how dashing he is.
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  Speaker 3: He's a very handsome man. Yeah, perfect smile. But it
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  Speaker 3: felt like the show really played it up more than
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  Speaker 3: they did with even like Justin, who could have easily
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  Speaker 3: had that same kind of edit. It felt like the
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  Speaker 3: show was really playing up that Dale was there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's because he was their all star. He was
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  Speaker 2: their A lister. He's the one that people will remember
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  Speaker 2: even if they haven't watched the show in a few years.
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  Speaker 2: He more than Justin I think. So. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: Justin is really fun TV, but I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: he's I'm sorry, Justin, I love you, But like I
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  Speaker 2: think he's more of like a B lister when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to Bachelor Nation, and I think Dale Teeter's on
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  Speaker 2: the A list.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the breakdown of anything sort of a criticism, Ashley.
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  Speaker 3: Let's run through this episode. I am going to kind
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  Speaker 3: of lead it because I want to hear your thoughts
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  Speaker 3: and opinions because you have been there. I haven't, and
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  Speaker 3: so my opinions come from strictly a viewer's standpoint. We've
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  Speaker 3: got to change. At the opening of the show, we've
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  Speaker 3: kind of mentioned it. I actually personally really enjoyed how
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  Speaker 3: this show opened and how the cast was announced. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it gave a great background for us in
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  Speaker 3: terms of knowing this cast, because I don't think we
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  Speaker 3: know a lot of these people from this cast well.
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  Speaker 3: But I did like the visual effects, the kind of
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  Speaker 3: new arrivals. But I do fully miss the host of
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  Speaker 3: the show. That was like their only job when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to paradise. Why is there a host outside of
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  Speaker 3: Wells if they're not going to introduce people to the beach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we missed the whole long walk down to the sand.
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  Speaker 2: That arrival moment was missed.
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  Speaker 3: Do you miss it? Yeah, when you say you miss it,
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  Speaker 3: you actually miss it? Or is it good to have gone?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just like it's classic. I miss it,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not like but it wasn't one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that I thought of. I thought, Oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: a weird, cheesy opening that seems try hard and doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like us. I actually didn't think, oh, wow, I
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  Speaker 2: missed the walk down the paradise until you just said it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different vibe. I didn't hate it. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't hate it. I do miss the host of the show,
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  Speaker 3: welcoming people to the beach, catching up with him for
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  Speaker 3: a second, Where have you been? What's love been like?
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  Speaker 3: All right, get down there and that awkward walk down
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  Speaker 3: the steps that isn't sexy, that isn't easy, Yes, but
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  Speaker 3: I do. I've always appreciated it. You don't have it now.
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  Speaker 3: That has changed. Like a lot of things on this
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  Speaker 3: show has changed, the thing hasn't changed is the contestants
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  Speaker 3: have came from previous seasons of The Bachelor and Bachelorette.
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  Speaker 3: We won't run through all the names that were announced
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  Speaker 3: on the Beach just because you've probably watched the show
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  Speaker 3: already you don't need it. But in short, some of
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  Speaker 3: the standouts were Alex from Grant season, Lexi from Joey's season.
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  Speaker 3: We have Bailey from Grant season, Hakeem from Gen season
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  Speaker 3: that was a big one. As we mentioned, we have
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  Speaker 3: Dale Moss from Clear season coming on, Zoe from Grant season,
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  Speaker 3: and then some of the other big standouts were Justin
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  Speaker 3: who was from Katie Thurston season but recently dated, Susie Evans.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the big standouts, Those are the ones that
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  Speaker 3: make up most of the storylines during this episode, including
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  Speaker 3: which Kat and Jonathan also should be included in that
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  Speaker 3: list because they were seen a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Kat was the superstar of this episode. Whenever Kat was
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  Speaker 2: on the screen, I was smiling, I was laughing such
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  Speaker 2: she was born to be a reality TV star, and
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  Speaker 2: I felt like.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you and I said this, I think
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  Speaker 3: she had a bad rap coming out of Paradise last season.
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  Speaker 3: I think she got mixed up a little bit. She
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  Speaker 3: started out strong and ended kind of in this like
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  Speaker 3: love triangle where she got very upset often, and it
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  Speaker 3: made her seem like she was getting upset for the
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  Speaker 3: most ridiculous reasons. I'm happy to see her back on
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  Speaker 3: the beach because I do think this could be a
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  Speaker 3: redemption story for her and one that we get to
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  Speaker 3: understand her a little bit better. Obviously, she ended up
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  Speaker 3: with somebody from the last season of Paradise, but it
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  Speaker 3: just never was pretty last season for her.
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  Speaker 2: She had like that meltdown, that shout fest, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people got her on her for that. I
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  Speaker 2: think that a lot of people didn't see the humor
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  Speaker 2: that she has. I think a lot of it, she
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  Speaker 2: says is tongue in cheek. She was hilarious in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: and when she wasn't on the screen, I would sometimes
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  Speaker 2: get bored.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you, she will be one of those people
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  Speaker 3: when she pops on, my attention will be right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, before we get in the date card number one,
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  Speaker 3: which happened during this episode, anything stand out to you
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  Speaker 3: from kind of the intros and initial conversations.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the initial conversation that jumps out is the
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  Speaker 2: automatic connection between Jess and Spencer. I just throughout the
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  Speaker 2: episode and yeah, three hours, three hours was too long.
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  Speaker 2: You and I with our screener, you know, we see it.
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  Speaker 2: We don't see a condensed version. We see it without
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  Speaker 2: the commercials. So when I saw that it was almost
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  Speaker 2: it was two hours and ten minutes of actual airtime,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is reserved for finales. This
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  Speaker 2: is usually paired, is chopped up into two days, right,
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  Speaker 2: so you have your your two hour night than your
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  Speaker 2: hour night. And this felt far too long. I was
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  Speaker 2: in and out of it. It was like kind of
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  Speaker 2: a rollercoaster where I was like, Oh, I love Paradise,
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  Speaker 2: It's so much fun, and then I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm done. Oh I'm back in and again. But
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  Speaker 2: it did have its good moments, and I know that
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the episode it was like we
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  Speaker 2: were like, oh girl, But actually there was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of foundational bachelor moments I would not call Justin Spencer's
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  Speaker 2: Justin Spencer were they were the couple that you think
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  Speaker 2: is gonna make it, and they're just they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to That's what I guess. Oh, I don't. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I find that I think he's She's gonna get annoyed
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  Speaker 2: with him, and I think that I think he can be.
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  Speaker 2: I think he might be annoying.
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  Speaker 3: And you think, I mean, out of anybody, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like Jess would appreciate the annoyance more than anybody right now.
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  Speaker 3: Why he's kind of quirky herself.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, and I think he takes it too. I think
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  Speaker 2: she's quirky and cue and I think that he like
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  Speaker 2: might have like a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Of a side like a whoa, this is too much? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: who's the other guy that I didn't even recognize dark
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  Speaker 3: hair Military School that also had that vibe to me?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you think that he had had a vibe to
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  Speaker 2: that was Kyle also from Katie's season. I was he
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  Speaker 2: got eliminated at the end of this episode, and I
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  Speaker 2: was rooting for him over Jeremy in that loved triangle.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I mean I think Kyle had that similar
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  Speaker 3: feel to me. Let's start now with this day card,
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  Speaker 3: because that's really where the episode, to me begins. We
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  Speaker 3: have a huge storm come in, so Justin cannot take Lexi.
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  Speaker 3: Justin gets the date card, cannot take Lexi on this date. However,
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  Speaker 3: when I'm watching in this moment, at this period of time,
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  Speaker 3: I say, Justin, Lexi have a shot. Lexi is very
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  Speaker 3: similar to Susie Evans to me in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, Do you agree? I do?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: When I saw the two of them talking, I thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that she can give Susie vibes. Both of them have
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  Speaker 2: a sense of composure, immaturity. Now, there was one thing
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  Speaker 2: that made my alarm clock go off, my little alarm here,
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  Speaker 2: and that was that Lexi wanted to for a moment
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  Speaker 2: not explore things with Justin because the Susie breakup was
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  Speaker 2: so recent and that he was with her for two years.
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  Speaker 2: So that doesn't match up with our public timeline. Our
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  Speaker 2: public timeline says that Susie and Justin were together solidly
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  Speaker 2: for about seven months, seven eight months, because when you
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  Speaker 2: and I hosted that thing at the Bachelor Mansion, we
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  Speaker 2: that was October twenty three or December twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: and then they had later admitted that they were together,
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  Speaker 2: and they had actually been together for a month at
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  Speaker 2: that point. Then they broke up last summer, early summer,
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  Speaker 2: I think, like June twenty twenty four, which means at
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  Speaker 2: the time of filming, he was broken up with Susie
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  Speaker 2: for a year. Now were they secretly dating and we
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: don't know? Or was that a little whatever they call
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: it a franken bite, because it did sound a little
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: bit like a franken bite when I heard the two twode.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Seems like an extended period past what you and I
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: would know. I mean behind the scenes, we got to
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: hang out them personally, I don't know them together for
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: two years.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that perhaps they were friends with flirtation
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: for a long time and they're actually together for a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: far shorter amount of time than two years. And I
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: just feel like, oh, come on, Like I understand girl
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: code not wanting to date somebody in bachelornation who's had
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: a long relationship if you respect the girl and whatnot,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: but like to be in paradise and be like, oh,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I just don't know if he's ready for this just
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: makes it feel like, oh no, no, no, let's not bring
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that up.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's hard to tell, but I do think
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Justin wants to find love outset of anything else. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: don't know how Susie feels, but if they're broken up,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I think she's aware and Justin's aware that he is
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: ready to have a serious relationship. And so for me,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: we have to have this conversation all the time on
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: this podcast, especially when we talk about a bachelor, is
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: how soon is too soon to move on? And our
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: consensus has always been as soon as you find the
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: next right person perfect. It could be two days, three days,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: it could be three years. But for him to put
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: himself back out there and go on paradise again, I
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: have no problem with. Even if he still does have
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: sadness over the loss of Susie, that's okay because I
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: bet that next person will help him forget about it
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: or make him forget about it so quickly.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And you know what, I bet what I bet that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Susie comes in next week and we can all see
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: where they stand.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I hope they're fine. I hope they're fine for it
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: both their sakes. If not, this really awkward. We do
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: get a little breakdown at this point in the episode
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: of relationships that already exist, which makes me giggle and laugh.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: So we too much time on them, But it seems
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: like Akeem at this point has already started and we
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: love Akeem. We're really excited he was going to be
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: there this season. He's I think he's a big name
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to be in Paradise, but a Keem and Bailey seem
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: to be chiming it up now you know, Daleen, Zoey,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Dale and Alex are also mentioned together. I see Dale
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: and Alex more than I see Dale and Zoe at
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: this point, and just because he is in this weird,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: kind of very early on love triangle that shouldn't really
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: even be a thing. He does get the second date card.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: He pulls Kat, Zoe, and Alex all chooses Kat to
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: go on this date. It's a big moment because Dale
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: has obviously been one that has been fought over. During
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: this episode, he shows his interest in Kat. This couple
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: does make sense to me, Ashley. I don't think they're
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: long term, and he is the opposite of whatever the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: guy's name was, who was awesome and I love him
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: and he's super nice. Last Henry, Yeah, John Henry. But
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: she seems intrigued.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I wanted Kat to get this date just because
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: she was so hilarious when he walked in. She was
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: just just falling all over him, and I'm like, I
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: need him to ask her, just for the entertainment sake
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: of it. He did seem to have a little I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: felt the heat between him and Zoe and Alex was
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: funny because Alex was like, I never get nervous around guys,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: but I'm getting so nervous around him. I am the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: most awkward thing ever. Jumble into my words and I
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I respect that moment, Alex,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: because every girl has that moment, and I'm glad that
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you just admitted to it. But at the end of
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the day, glad that Cat won the boat with him.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: They I think that Cat actually truly did not feel
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: good when the boat started rocking, like she was like, no, no, no,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'm nauseous, because I felt like she actually wasn't even
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: though she said, you know, ten out of ten kiss her.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I think that she was actually like not into that
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: moment because she was gonna barf in his mouth.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: That's awful.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine. Yeah, he like went in for it
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: when she was like, I'm feeling nauseous, and then he
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'm going to kiss you now, and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I think she was like, that's very delightful, but not
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but that's how I felt, well,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and I think that they will be good for now.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I think that Dale definitely can date around. I wonder Dale,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: for his sake of his reputation, is going to be
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: the kind of guy that even talks to anyone else,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: because I think he's just going to want to look
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: really good and loyal in this.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Dal does give off like some vibes to me where
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: he wants to say.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: The right thing exactly, yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Which I'm always very cautious of when it comes to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: this show. You know, you say all the right things
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and it's hard to fact check on reality television. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I am always a little more drawn into the characters
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: or the contestants who can make fun of themselves a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: little bit, who can laugh at themselves, laugh at the situation.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Wells does a great job at it as the bartender.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: It just it does feel like, Hey, I want to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: say all the right things and make everybody think I'm
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the perfect man, and your actions don't always match up
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to that, and so who are we or what are
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: we to believe?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: A side note, this is the beginning of some of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: these montages that they put together versus him putting on sunscreens. Secondly,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: is somebody imagining what's going on on another date, and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: they like kind of purposely put together these silly like
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: daydream stories, which I don't know I was actually I
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't against that. I thought it was kind of funny.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not against it at all. Yeah, but to me
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: a little bit actually, like they need to choose who
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: they want to be. Do they want to be a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: serious dating show with this new modern look, or do
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: they just want this to be the corny, goofy paradise
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that's always been. I don't know if you can have both.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: This is like their version of talking to the parrot
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: talking to the raccoon.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I felt like the old paradise was all
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: kind of tongue in cheek, corny goofy until the fast
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: last week when Romance was represented through engagement.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I mean from the intros to the sweaty moments, to
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: the people snoring on the sun beds to people making
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: on the pool. A lot of it was tongue in
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: cheek until that last few weeks that got serious. It
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: feels like, right now the vibe is can we do
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: both in this in the course of an episode? And
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: it's hard for me because I either want to invest
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: or I just simply want to enjoy. And if you're
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: going to ask me to enjoy, you got to make
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: like as Well said, these idiots make out in a
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: pool for like the next ten weeks and make fools
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of themselves. You cannot do both to me.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I think you can do both to me, because that
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: was silly. But I thought there was some really neat
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: conversations too. The conversation I'll go through them if you should.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I is that how we should handle this and me
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: go through them, go through them? Yeah, okay. There was
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the conversation about timeline between Justin and Alexi, especially because
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: she has talked about her possible fertility issues down the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: road that I thought that that was really natural and
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: made me feel something. I also felt the conversation between
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Jess and Sam talk about their fears on that date.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: That felt old fashioned bachelor. I liked that. And then yeah,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: so Alex had a good conversation with Jonathan. I felt
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: that was pretty real too.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I don't discredit the realness. I just think as a fan,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you got to give me one of the other, and
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: sometimes in these great moments you can't mix into silly.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I either got to feel it. I don't. I don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: have the emotional capacity to go back and forth too often,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and I thought this episode, maybe because it was three
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: hours long, made me go back and forth emotionally too much. Ashley,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: As we close here talking about Paradise, I do want
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: to kind of talk about some of the life love
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: triangles that always exist early on in a season of Paradise, Ashlely,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: some of the lot love triangles that stood out to
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: me personally were the ones with Sam, or with Bailey,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Jeremy and Kyle. Alex's love triangle. I think Alex is
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: gonna have a really hard time on Paradise because I
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: think she's very open, very fun, very flirtatious, and very
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: willing to just have a good time, which is gonna
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: invite a lot of people in to be interested in her,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: which is going to find her to be interested in
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of people. It's how paradise works. It's the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: beauty of it. Date around and see what works. Also,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: obviously we see Dale. I think we have to consider
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: him not in a triangle as much, but in a
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: place of being of interest to a lot of people.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I think any of those girls would have willingly and
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: excitedly said yes to his date. Cap was the one
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: that got asked Ashley, do any of these love triangles
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: still exist in the next couple of weeks? Do they
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: die off? Do any of them actually become a thing?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's a triangle. Here's not a triangle, but a
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: couple that I see. Probably I don't know what the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: heck's gonna happen with them, Bailey and Jeremy. Can I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: just say that I'm not into Bailey and Jeremy because
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that makeout scene was like gross, that was like way
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: too much for us to see. I didn't need to see,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: like the the tongue in action so much. That was
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: like a bedroom makeout, not the first time makeout. And
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: there's something about Jeremy that I'm sorry, something about that
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: guy don' I'm really sure. And also, Wells was epic
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: when he described it. He was like just me, or
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: was like, Bailey out of Jeremy's league. I was like,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: thank you for saying it out loud.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Well is good at that. You got to give him
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: credit for saying that as a host of this show.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: It's pretty wild that he can or it does. But yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I'm with you, and Bailey is out of Jeremy's league,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and that's okay. Maybe that's how I mean. We know
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of people who's significant others, and typically it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: the male who bats way out of his league and
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: we don't understand why, and we're like, good for you, buddy,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know how you did it, but you
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: pulled it off, and that maybe is how this works.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian and Zoe there are who the heck knows
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: what's gonna happen to them because they don't feel firm
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: right now. And Zoe is definitely somebody who's hot, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I can see being a hot commodity amongst the men
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: when they come in next week.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the men are going to come in next week.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: We don't necessarily know who we're gonna get but to
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: close this whole thing up, are our thoughts on my
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: thoughts on Paradise or this I still don't know these
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: contestants at all. I've watched every season for ten years,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: haven't missed an episode. We've broke them down here on
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the Almost Famous podcast. I feel very disconnected from this
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: group so far. It doesn't say anything about the individuals
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: as much of past seasons. Up until this season, there's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: been familiar faces to me, and there's a few here,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: but not many that I really know rooting for, understand
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: or remember their storyline up. I don't know what that
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: says about me. Maybe it's that I'm not as big
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: of a fan of the show as I think I am.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: But I want to see more character development, or I
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: want to see more stories get displayed, or I want
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to see some familiar faces of the past even come
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: back on the beach. And I think we might get
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: that with the Goldens. The Golden still are an element
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: of the show that have been promised to us that
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: we didn't see, that we should see at some point
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: here coming out. I think that will help. Paradise is
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: weird for me to watch, honestly, this first episode because
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it's all unfamiliar to me. We have a new venue
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: with a new look, like with new production company, filming
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: this in a whole new way. I am trying to
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: catch up. I am trying to adjust and evolve and
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: grow my understanding of what this show is going to
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: look like. It hasn't happened yet, but I'm not giving up,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and I hope it does. I think we need to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: end this podcast. We're talking about two things. One is
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: who got to eliminade this week. Obviously we know Hakim,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: one of our favorites, was eliminated.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Hakim was hilarious. The The part about him is he's
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: got no romantic energy, and I can relate. I didn't
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: really exude romantic sexy energy either, and so I knew
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that he wasn't really going to make a connection this
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: early on. But his lines are so funny, his facial
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: expressions are so funny. I'm gonna miss him. I was
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: really hoping they somehow figure out a way to keep him.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: But I don't think he's like a lost cause. If
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: he listens to this. It's not that Hikimi, you don't
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: exude any type of like sex appeal, well, partner energy.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Totally partner energy, yes, sex appeal no.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Sure, and that's okay. I don't think either of us do.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think either of us are.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Like, think you good man, You're far more slow than I.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Look at me like you'll want to sit with me
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: and talk to me, Like I don't think you and
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I either like do that. But I think the right
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: person comes into her life and they go, that's the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: person I'm looking for. And I think k Keem is
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: the type of person where the right person would be like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: that's the guy. If I'm really into this thing to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: find love, I could envision myself falling in love with
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: that guy. I think he does exude that, but he's gone. Also,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: we see Ricky leave, we see Sam leave, and then
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: who's the fourth.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: The guy that nobody remembered Kyle, So nobody really remembered
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Ricky or Kyle from the past. So to be honest,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I don't really feel like we've lost anyone there. I
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: did want to see more of Sam because he went
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: up against the one that we shall not name on
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: GEN season. I literally forget his name, Bet and I
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: always joke about how we forget her winner's name, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: it's for good reason, right, So the one who we
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: shall not name, he went up against him, and we
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: at times thought that Sam was the villain, but like
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: knowing who one who shall not be named, it truly
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: is now like he may not have been the villain.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Sam may have not had any villain energy at all.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So I really wanted to see more of him. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: think that he has an appealing suave to him, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I think he could have done better. It's unfortunate that
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: he picked somebody to go on a date with that
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: was kind of wiped up.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it also seems he's gonna bat for home
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: runs and he tried to hit one. It didn't work
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: out for him there. Actually, as we look forward to
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the rest of the season, what are you excited to
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: be watched?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: We want to see Susie come in. I'm really interested
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: to know where their relationship stands. We haven't really had
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: that many bachelor couples who've had like a previous relationship
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and then go into paradise. It can be absolutely heart wrenching.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: And I've said that I relate to Justin and Susie's
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: story in many ways. With Jared and I just feel
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: like going to Paradise seems like the move, but it's
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: gonna be heart wrenching either way for them. I believe
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: we saw this again with Joe and Kendall. That was hard.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: It's a hard time, but it's good. It's also great TV.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I want to see Kat. I just want to see
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: more Kat too, Just Kat entertain me.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Are you excited to see Dale Moss take a shot
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: off of April?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: No?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I don't really care.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Thenkay, what do you think outside of Dale Moss taking
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: a shot off v April which feels like a lot
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: for somebody to watch. In closing your last thoughts, what
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: do you think about the challenges that seem to be
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: promised to us throughout this season? Are you excited to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: watch those? Does that seem like the opposite of what
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: you want? And this obviously all leads up to the
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: financial benefits that are being promised from the season of Paradise.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we forgot about talking about that upfront because
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Jesse did tease that there would be some sort of
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: major prize that doesn't have to do with romance. They're
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: trying to combine Bachelor Pad with Bachelor and Paradise. They
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: call this life changing money. I don't like money involved
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: in what in places that it's supposed to be love.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I think Bachelor Nation is going to absolutely reject this idea.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to be so angry at this
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: idea that they stop watching. They're like, this ruins everything
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: that I've ever hoped this show would be.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And apparently this is what Love Island does, So why
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: does Bachelor just want to copycat them completely? That's kind
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: of embarrassing.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I agree. I think you and I could have got
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: through this whole episode and been like, hey, it's different,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: not something we reject, it's different. I think the money
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: aspect of this now changes everything, even the challenges I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: would could get behind. I think when you add money
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: into it, I think Bacher Nation is going to freak
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: out and say, yeah, not for me anymore. We watch
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: this show because even with all that's happened, we still
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: thought this show was the one show that could find
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: true love for no other reason other than true love.
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  Speaker 3: You add money into it changes everything, especially when the
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: money that they're promising is life changing.
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  Speaker 2: It's half a million dollars that is actually life changing money. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that is really very annoying because with that on
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  Speaker 2: people's minds. That's going to be the number one motivator here,
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  Speaker 2: not love. Yeah that This is a whole different show now.
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  Speaker 3: And I think Bachrination as a fan base is going
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: to be very upset about this. I do. I think
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  Speaker 3: it changes everything, and I think it's going to change
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  Speaker 3: now how the Big Show is viewed. Well, you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: you go on the Big Show now to go to
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  Speaker 3: Paradise to potentially be in the running for half a
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Ben, this is actually insane because truly, if you felt
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: a connection with somebody and you think that, say you
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: feel that you love them at the end of this,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: don't you try to get off camera for a second
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  Speaker 2: with them and be like, listen, this could be life
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  Speaker 2: changing money for both of us. We will go get
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the money. One of us will choose the money or
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: People are gonna be like I can just DM text
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  Speaker 2: this person a few months later and be like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: of course I had to take the money, wouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: understand that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Or yeah, put it in escrow the two of
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you and kind of figured out later on. I mean,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: there's a thousand things you would decide to do.
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  Speaker 2: They've been cheap their whole life. This show has been
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: cheaped their whole life. Now they make it a half
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  Speaker 2: a million dollars.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: You and you and Jared could be half a million
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: dollars richer right now, Ashley.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we didn't leave together.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just split it fifty fifty. Never talk to
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: each other again.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: No, But like that's not what I'm referring to. You
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: know that. It's like, look, we we actually you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I love blah blah blah blah. I this is mind boggling.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: This is super crazy.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: It's really messing with Ashley right now for a lot
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: of reasons.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: But I like the challenges.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. Bachelor and Parodie will never be
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the same. It's not going to be the same. The
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: promise of a financial incentive changes everything when it comes
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to this show. Are we in for a batch? Do nation?
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: That's the question we have this week for you. Are
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: you into it? Are you not? If you're into it, awesome.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: If you're not into it, please let us know by
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: commenting on the social media because we want to know
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: how you feel. It's a way that we keep in
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: touch with the viewership and understand what the viewership is feeling.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: As hosts of Almost in this podcast, I will say
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I don't love the financial incentive. I don't see the point.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I think people would have signed up for it even
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: without it. I think people would have been more likely
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: to go and invest into relationships and love without it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I think it is so much. This first episode was
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: trying to fall into the bucket of the modern reality
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: television show, and I think they're one too late. Two,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think they can compete. And three, I don't
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: know why they would try to compete. They had their
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: own good thing going. But that's my feelings, my thoughts.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: I don't promise to be right. I just promised to
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: have an opinion. We'll be back next week and even
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: more this week, breaking down more that's happening in Bachelor Nation.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: But until next time, I've been Ben, I've.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Been Ashley, and I am stunned
• 42:19
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