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Anthony Weiner gets hard time & Corpse mystery: Who took Julie Mott? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes.
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Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovered new evidence,
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Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting
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Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's seven
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Speaker 1: sixth Central and nine eight Central on Oxygen, the new
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Speaker 1: Network for Crime, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius
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Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. It was January two
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Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, and the former New York conversens once
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Speaker 1: promised the political career was over. Former New York congressman
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Speaker 1: has now been sentenced to twenty one months for sending
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Speaker 1: inappropriate text messages to an underage girl. Some of his
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Speaker 1: messages are so obscene they can't be shown on television. Today,
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Speaker 1: I'm announcing my resignation from the victim. Isn't pulling any punches?
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Speaker 1: How would you describe his behavior? Weener's a strange wife.
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Speaker 1: Umma Aberdeen did not attend the sentencing. The investigation into
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Speaker 1: the scandal through the Clinton campaign into a tailspin. It
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Speaker 1: may have helped Donald Trump in the election. We never
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Speaker 1: thought we were going to say thank you to Anthony Weiner.
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Speaker 1: Political han show with one toe in the Oval Office,
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Speaker 1: one toe in the White House, sentenced for lewd acts
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Speaker 1: upon a minor. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Of course I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about Anthony Weener. Anthony Weiner gets hard time in court.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know. I'll break it down before
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Speaker 1: we analyze what the judge did. The judge sentencing Weener
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Speaker 1: to just twenty one months. I mean, every all the
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Speaker 1: legal funits are saying, oh, that's fair, that's not fair.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know about Winner. He lost a
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Speaker 1: spot in Congress as a so called shining star for accidentally,
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Speaker 1: I guess accidentally on purpose sending out a picture of
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Speaker 1: his crotch to his full on Twitter account. It is
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Speaker 1: apparently meant for just one special lucky lady, but everybody
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Speaker 1: got it. It's associated with his Twitter. You don't want
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Speaker 1: to wake up to that first thing in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Weener in his undy's with well, okay, I'll let
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Speaker 1: you look it up on the internet. So there was that.
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Speaker 1: Then he tries to make a comeback by running from
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Speaker 1: mayor and in the middle of that he gets busted
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Speaker 1: sexting naughtiness to several different ladies. Okay, that ruins the
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Speaker 1: mayoral candidacy, and you'd think you'd learn his lesson, But
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Speaker 1: now no, and this is the worst of it all.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Mark Class joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class, who founded Class Kids Foundation. As long as
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Speaker 1: I have been in the business of seeking justice, Mark
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Speaker 1: Class has been an example for me. So Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: don't go mess it up now, because I've been counting
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Speaker 1: on you now for many, many years, as do people
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Speaker 1: all over the world. Mark Class, no pressure with me.
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Speaker 1: High profile criminal profiler you know her well, Pat Brown
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Speaker 1: and crack reporter for crime stories, Scott Kimbler, Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you explain what Anthony Weiner was found
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Speaker 1: guilty of. Well, this is I'm going to avoid all
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Speaker 1: of the obvious punsent exists here. But what Anthony Weiner
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Speaker 1: did it He descended into a very deep, dark place
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Speaker 1: where he was sexting and texting a fifteen year old girl.
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Speaker 1: This is a man in his fifties. This is a
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Speaker 1: man in his fifties who has been busted time and
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Speaker 1: time again in this exact same kind of behavior, and
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, it's ruined his It's ruined his congressional career,
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Speaker 1: it ruined his fledgling UH campaign to be mayor of
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Speaker 1: New York UM, and it very well may have impacted
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Speaker 1: ultimately the presidential election. But this is a guy that
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Speaker 1: was going after a fifteen year old girl, a girl
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Speaker 1: that he knew very well this fifteen because his sexting
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Speaker 1: and his texting was occurring on Skype and it was
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Speaker 1: occurring on FaceTime. He knew what this child looked like,
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Speaker 1: and it didn't stop him. He was he just turned
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Speaker 1: just turned fifteen, Mark, class, You're never gonna believe this
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Speaker 1: because you were have been with me and friends for
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Speaker 1: so long. You probably feel like my twins John, Dave
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Speaker 1: and Lucy were just born yesterday. They're almost ten, Mark,
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Speaker 1: so this is just four years, just a little beyond
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Speaker 1: four years. She had just turned fifteen when it started.
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Speaker 1: Of my daughter, my little girl who still blazes Santa
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Speaker 1: Claus and still hides her teeth for the tooth ferry, okay,
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Speaker 1: and sexting my rear end he had her on, as
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Speaker 1: you pointed out, Snapchat and Skype stripping naked and fondling
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Speaker 1: herself at his request. What do you think he was
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Speaker 1: doing on the other end, Mark, class Well, I think
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Speaker 1: it's obvious what he was doing on the other end, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But he's descending into a incredibly dark place, and it's
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Speaker 1: an escalating pattern of behavior, and who knows what the
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Speaker 1: next step is. So at this point, for him to
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Speaker 1: be slapped on the wrist yet again for this kind
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Speaker 1: of behavior, even if he is spending a minimal time
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Speaker 1: in prison, is a dangerous precedent because he's going to
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Speaker 1: go down farther and farther and farther to the point
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Speaker 1: where there's human contact, to the point where somebody might
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Speaker 1: really physically get hurt in a very real way, and
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Speaker 1: to the point where his behavior cannot be extricated, cannot
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Speaker 1: be brought back. Okay, let talk about I got into
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Speaker 1: a big fight with Dan Abrams, the ABC chief legal correspondent,
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Speaker 1: about this, and he thought the sentence was fair. I
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Speaker 1: think it's way too light. Weener faced up to ten
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Speaker 1: years on one count. He has done this many, many, many,
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Speaker 1: innumerable countless times. He pled guilty to one count, which
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Speaker 1: was the possibility of ten years. The prosecutors said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: twenty seven months. He got twenty one months on what
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Speaker 1: could be a ten year sentence on one of literally
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Speaker 1: innumerable offenses. So I think it's totally off the chart.
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Speaker 1: This sentence is totally wrong. But another thing that you're saying, Mark,
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Speaker 1: and I want to be clear about this, this is
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Speaker 1: child molestation. I was reading you and I were emailing,
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Speaker 1: and you sent me some information. When you get a
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Speaker 1: child to perform an obscene act over the internet, that
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Speaker 1: is child molestation. If someone got my daughter or son
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Speaker 1: to perform a leude at as they watched on FaceTime,
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Speaker 1: that is child molestation. He sent her adult pornography to
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Speaker 1: this girl that had just turned fifteen. Okay, that woe. Ah,
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Speaker 1: that is child molestation. Why is that child molestation? Mark? Well, listen,
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Speaker 1: this is also something that can be shared child molestation because,
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Speaker 1: first of all, she is not of the age of consent.
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Speaker 1: He can he she in a sexual connotation in the
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Speaker 1: in the in the sexual uh situation that we're in here.
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Speaker 1: She cannot consent. She is a victim. She is under
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Speaker 1: sixteen years old. He is using his his powers of
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Speaker 1: persuasion and his powers of persuasion. You're obviously pretty formidable
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Speaker 1: given the given his his history, to get this young
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Speaker 1: girl to perform and do terrible things. And this is
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Speaker 1: information that he can this is behavior that he can capture,
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Speaker 1: he can capture, he can relive it, and he can
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Speaker 1: share it. So this is not only molestation, but it's
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Speaker 1: pornography as well. And again, naturally, this is so deep,
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Speaker 1: so dark, so evil that this slap on the hand
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Speaker 1: that this man has received is uh, is not justice,
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Speaker 1: It's not fair, and it's going to ultimately probably lead
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Speaker 1: to many more victims with me as I mentioned high
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Speaker 1: profile criminal profile er Pat Brown. Okay, Pat, how another
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Speaker 1: thing that some information that Mark Class sent me he
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Speaker 1: knew it at, you know, off the top of his head,
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Speaker 1: was the fact that this guy is going to re offend.
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Speaker 1: I believe the statue you sent me, Mark was of
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Speaker 1: child predators, of pedophiles, molesters, repeat a fan after repeat
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Speaker 1: after release from jail. Okay, they do it again when
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Speaker 1: they get out. And Pat, I'm sure you've got all
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Speaker 1: sorts of scientific, scientific information, but this is what I know.
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Speaker 1: Don't groan aland because I say this a lot when
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Speaker 1: you don't know a horse, look at us track record, people,
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Speaker 1: this guy has got a son, a little boy who
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Speaker 1: was absolutely beautiful, and he was willing to risk daily
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Speaker 1: life with his son to text and sext and get
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Speaker 1: it on over face time with a girl, a little girl. So, Pat,
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Speaker 1: what's the likelihood this guy is going to reoffend? And
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Speaker 1: give me your profile of Anthony Weener? Okay, he First
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Speaker 1: of all, I'm gonna say he's a sex predator, absolutely
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Speaker 1: a sex predator like we saw on to Catch, you know,
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Speaker 1: to Catch a Predator, you remember the series. He behaves
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Speaker 1: exactly the same way as any of those men. And
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Speaker 1: I have posed online before as young girls fifteen years old,
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Speaker 1: and the behavior from sex predators towards me was exactly
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Speaker 1: what Weener did. They start out with just hello, how
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Speaker 1: are you doing, but they quickly descend into sex acts.
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Speaker 1: Then they go from describing sex acts to them saying
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Speaker 1: I want you to do this to yourself, and he
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Speaker 1: went right to that. He got on Skype do this
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Speaker 1: to yourself. He started talking about penetration. He also talked
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Speaker 1: about rape fantasies with us, so we're not even just
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Speaker 1: talking about molas station. We're talking about online rape. So
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Speaker 1: he's willing to go to that level. The next thing
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Speaker 1: he's gonna say, is when can we meet? And he's
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Speaker 1: not going to say it to just that one girl,
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Speaker 1: because when I was online posing, I would have got
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Speaker 1: twenty guys coming up and they would be not only
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Speaker 1: talking to me, but they'd be talking to ten other
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Speaker 1: girls at the same time, looking for the one who
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Speaker 1: would fall for it as quick as sheet, you know,
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Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, because they don't want to waste
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Speaker 1: time with actually just have the conversation. They want the
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Speaker 1: sex part of it. So they will they will be
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Speaker 1: online with how many girls, you know, and then they're
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Speaker 1: gonna look for the one who's gonna say yes. And
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Speaker 1: he got this girl already to that point, he's going
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Speaker 1: to go back. He's going to try to meet up
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Speaker 1: with a girl because that's what he wants. He's a
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Speaker 1: sex predator and he will rape. So I mean the
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Speaker 1: fact that he got such a slap on the wrist
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Speaker 1: and put him right back out in society. You put
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Speaker 1: a child sex predator back out there. And and that's
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Speaker 1: Scott Kimbler, investigative reporter joining us. Scott Kimbler. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, Uh, what Pat Brown is saying is
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Speaker 1: resounding in my mind because didn't they argue in court
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Speaker 1: at one point Scott that well, wait, he's not just
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Speaker 1: targeting a girl, a minor girl. He was texting, sexting
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Speaker 1: nineteen different women at the same time. I mean, didn't
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Speaker 1: they argue that? And how does that help anything? Yes,
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Speaker 1: he has quite a history of this sex thing with
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Speaker 1: young girls. And not only that, he took on personas
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Speaker 1: when he was online doing this, the personas of Carlo
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Speaker 1: Danger and tea Dogs. Okay, whoa wait, wait, wait wait,
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Speaker 1: Carlos Danger is his handle online Carlow Danger and tea
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Speaker 1: Dog tea Dog. Okay, Mark, Mark. I know this is
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Speaker 1: not a laughing matter. I have dealt with so many
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Speaker 1: child listation victims. Right now, Can I just hone in
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Speaker 1: on him calling himself Carlos Danger, Mark Class. Can I
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Speaker 1: just look at that for just thirty seconds, Carlos da subliminal?
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Speaker 1: Because certainly there's danger involved, isn't there. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: danger involved to any future victims, there's danger involved to
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Speaker 1: the individuals that he's texting. Not to mention the harm
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Speaker 1: and danger that he's creating within his own family unit.
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Speaker 1: It says he's just horrible, this man. You know, when
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Speaker 1: you said the family unit. I'm just thinking about the
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Speaker 1: little boy who is now his dad is going to jail.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Scott Kimbler, go back, go back to what
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Speaker 1: you were saying, Scott Kimbler with me investigative reporter, Tea
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Speaker 1: Dog and Carlos Danger. Okay, what were you saying? He
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Speaker 1: does have a just a long history of doing this.
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Speaker 1: It would appear he is online doing this all the time,
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Speaker 1: or at least he was in this period. And this
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Speaker 1: is just a tremendous amount of time that is dedicated
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Speaker 1: to this. So you don't have this singular event or
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Speaker 1: even the two events the one that kept him, the
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Speaker 1: one that removed it from Congress, the one that cost
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Speaker 1: him the mayor's race, and and and this one. You
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Speaker 1: have this a long history of him doing a tremendous
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Speaker 1: amount of this. And it surprises me, Nancy, when you
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Speaker 1: look at the history of how much he has done this,
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Speaker 1: and these personas that he has online with the Carlos
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Speaker 1: Danger and the Tea Dog, that the judge at the
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Speaker 1: time of sentencing almost seemed very sympathetic to him after
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Speaker 1: lawyers argue that he is not a sexual deviant and
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Speaker 1: not a criminal and is getting help which is a
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Speaker 1: little surprising that they would have referred to him not
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Speaker 1: a sexual deviant when you look at what he did
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Speaker 1: in the amount of doing it that he did, and
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Speaker 1: for a sexual deviant, thank you, Scott champ Or you're right.
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Speaker 1: They did keep saying that he's not a sexual deviant. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, if you what else is deviant? If
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Speaker 1: face timing, snapchatting, skyping a girl and asking her to
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Speaker 1: strip down completely naked and fondle herself, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what is what would be devion? If that's not deviant,
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Speaker 1: how can they call it? You know, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to be thrown in the pot with all the nut jobs,
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Speaker 1: um Alan Duke. But I was researching this judge. She
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Speaker 1: was appointed to the bench fifth the federal bench fifteen
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Speaker 1: years ago by Bill Clinton and Wiener's wife, Whoma Aberdon,
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Speaker 1: is Hillary Clinton's best friend. So you've got a judge
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Speaker 1: on the bench appointed by Bill Clinton who was sentencing
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Speaker 1: Clinton's wife's best friend's husband. Now that is, you know,
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Speaker 1: something to mull. But I don't want to bring politics
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Speaker 1: in it, because this is not about politics. But I
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Speaker 1: defined it very interesting. Aland that that they kept saying
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Speaker 1: he's not a sex deviant. Yes he is. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think it's kind of clear that this is an addiction.
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Speaker 1: He just can't stop it. I mean, he's got a
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Speaker 1: beautiful wife, he's got a child, he's got a career,
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Speaker 1: and he ruins it all by this continued behavior, despite
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Speaker 1: alleged therapy, and please that he's going to change. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this. I'm deeply sorry for the pain this has
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Speaker 1: caused my white uma and our family and my constituents,
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Speaker 1: my friends, supporters, and staff. In addition, over the past
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Speaker 1: few years, I have engaged in several inappropriate conversations conducted
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Speaker 1: over Twitter, Facebook, email, and occasionally on the phone with
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Speaker 1: women I have met online. I've exchanged messages and photos
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Speaker 1: of an explicit nature with about six women over the
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Speaker 1: last three years. For the most part, these relations these
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Speaker 1: communications took place before my marriage, though some have sadly
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Speaker 1: took place after. To be clear, I have never met
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Speaker 1: any of these women or had physical relationships at any time.
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Speaker 1: I haven't told the truth, and I've done things I
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Speaker 1: deeply regret. I vote pain to people I care about
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Speaker 1: the most, people who perceieved in me, and for that
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Speaker 1: I'm deeply sorry. I apologize to my wife and our families,
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Speaker 1: as well as to our friends and supporters. I'm deeply
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Speaker 1: ashamed of my terrible judgment and actions. When you run
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Speaker 1: reporter Scott Kimbler. Let's get back to it. Anthony Weiner,
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Speaker 1: his wife Juma Aberdeen, long suffering, just absolutely beautiful woman, accomplished.
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Speaker 1: She's the one working. I don't know what he's doing
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Speaker 1: with all of his spirit time. Well wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: I do know what he's doing with all of a
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Speaker 1: spare time. He's online sexty ng and getting a little
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Speaker 1: girl in North Carolina just down naked and fondle herself.
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Speaker 1: And what he said, I mean, Mark Class, everyone is
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Speaker 1: talking about this, so clinically, nobody's heading down and dirty
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Speaker 1: and addressing the facts. He said to this little girl,
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Speaker 1: I would bust your well, I'm not gonna say that,
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Speaker 1: I would bust your slang term for female genitalia so
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Speaker 1: hard and so often you would leak and limp for
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Speaker 1: a month or a week, leak and limp. That's what
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Speaker 1: he's saying to a minor girl as she's stripping down
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Speaker 1: on video and finding herself. And he gets twenty one
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Speaker 1: months behind bars, and not only that, with good time,
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Speaker 1: you get about a fifteen percent reduction. That's young two
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Speaker 1: to three months. So that's eighteen months behind bars, Mark Class.
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Speaker 1: Now he's not even going in for well over a
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Speaker 1: month from now, so goodness knows what he's going to
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Speaker 1: be doing with his time. This guy has ignored red
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Speaker 1: flag after red flag after red flag. It's torn his
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Speaker 1: career asunder, it's it's torn his family apart, yet he
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Speaker 1: continues to behave in this manner um. This managers, as
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Speaker 1: Pat said, is a very dangerous predator and he needs
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Speaker 1: to be dealt with in no uncertain terms, and that
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Speaker 1: still is not happening. This is going to get worse
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Speaker 1: and worse and worse. So, Pat Brown, I take it
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Speaker 1: that you didn't fall for all the crying and the
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Speaker 1: snodding in court, his whining. So poor me, poor me,
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Speaker 1: poor me. I'm really bothered by the term, by the way,
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Speaker 1: sex addiction, because do we call rapists, oh, they have
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Speaker 1: an addiction to sex? We do. Do we call serial
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Speaker 1: killers somebody has an addiction to sex? No, we call
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Speaker 1: them criminals and sex predators because they are not just
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Speaker 1: doing something that they like too many times. What they're
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Speaker 1: doing is breaking the law. And that's what this man
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Speaker 1: was doing. He's a criminal, he's a child sex predator.
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Speaker 1: And what he was doing to that girl. You see
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Speaker 1: the violence in his his conversation that you just pointed out,
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Speaker 1: extremely violent. And let me tell you what comes after that.
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Speaker 1: So this is unpleasant for people to hear. Fondling is
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Speaker 1: a nice way to say what's going to come next.
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Speaker 1: What's going to come next is object insertion. It's going
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Speaker 1: to be hurting herself with like clothes pins. It's going
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Speaker 1: to be doing things to herself which are going to
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Speaker 1: be invasive and violent. That is what he enjoys. He's
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Speaker 1: got rape fantasy. So she's not being not touched. You know,
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Speaker 1: he's actually forcing her to do things to injure and
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Speaker 1: harm herself. So you know, he wants violent rape. And
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Speaker 1: then that goes from there into into the real world.
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Speaker 1: So where all I can say over and over again
21:26
Speaker 1: is criminal sex predator. That's what he is. He's nothing
21:29
Speaker 1: else but that. So all the other the little labels
21:32
Speaker 1: we want to give him, we need to throw him away.
21:34
Speaker 1: Criminal child, sex predator, you know, Mark class. A lot
21:38
Speaker 1: of attention has been focused on the girl victim, and
21:41
Speaker 1: Wiener is there in Upper West Side, New York society,
21:47
Speaker 1: and this girl is from a small town in North Carolina,
21:53
Speaker 1: and I can absolutely see why all the so called
21:57
Speaker 1: intellectuals are pooh poohing this girl. And yes, she and
22:03
Speaker 1: her father did later appear on Inside Edition to tell
22:07
Speaker 1: their story. Take a listen to the victim on Inside Edition.
22:13
Speaker 1: How did you first come into contact with Anthony Weiner?
22:16
Speaker 1: It was through a direct message on the application Twitter.
22:20
Speaker 1: I just sent him a nice message, just hello, I'm
22:24
Speaker 1: a huge fan. Why Anthony Weiner? I knew that Hillary
22:28
Speaker 1: Clinton would be running for president in the year, and
22:32
Speaker 1: I wanted to see if Anthony was still up to
22:35
Speaker 1: the same antics. How soon did it go from these
22:39
Speaker 1: niceties to him taking it to a different level. I
22:43
Speaker 1: knew that it was going downhill and really fast. I
22:46
Speaker 1: was disgusted that that doesn't bother me in the least
22:50
Speaker 1: does not bother me in the least mark class. Why
22:54
Speaker 1: is that always thrown up like she's done something bad?
22:57
Speaker 1: Because I'm glad she went on the insider and inside
23:01
Speaker 1: asident told her story. I want other parents to know
23:05
Speaker 1: what can happen called victim blainey blaming Nancy. It's pure
23:08
Speaker 1: and simple. For some way or another, this fifteen year
23:11
Speaker 1: old girl is responsible for the crimes that were committed
23:14
Speaker 1: against her, and it's something that people have to be
23:17
Speaker 1: very careful about it. It's insidious and it's diabolical to
23:21
Speaker 1: blame victims of crime. We have to remember this is
23:24
Speaker 1: a man in his fifties who has ignored red flag
23:27
Speaker 1: after red flag after red flag, going straight at a
23:30
Speaker 1: girl who has just turned fifteen years old. There is
23:32
Speaker 1: criminal intent, there is is criminal involvement, and it's all
23:37
Speaker 1: on his part, you know, Pat Brown, criminal profiler Jackie
23:41
Speaker 1: here in the studio is holding up a note that says,
23:44
Speaker 1: how could his wife not see what's happening. You know,
23:48
Speaker 1: we asked that question about a lot of wives of criminals,
23:52
Speaker 1: wives that mafia wise, for example, you know cartel wives, Well,
23:56
Speaker 1: they get something out of that relationship that they like,
23:59
Speaker 1: like a lot of money first sample, or political power
24:02
Speaker 1: or whatever. And in my opinion, they're enablers. And I
24:06
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of respect for that. I'm sorry.
24:08
Speaker 1: You can support a guy as a sex predator in
24:10
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. You've got an issue, you know,
24:13
Speaker 1: and and so yeah, I can't be really nice about
24:16
Speaker 1: that because it's it's appalling to me that anyone would
24:18
Speaker 1: support a sex predator. Perhaps, you know, she wants what
24:21
Speaker 1: she wants out of life, so she's down downplaying what
24:24
Speaker 1: he's doing with this quite quote sex edition addiction type
24:27
Speaker 1: of thing or recaps. You know, she doesn't have a
24:29
Speaker 1: young son, so she doesn't want her her husband to
24:31
Speaker 1: be a child sex predator, So downplaying that does make
24:34
Speaker 1: her feel better that her son's father isn't such a
24:37
Speaker 1: dirt bag, I suppose. But all in all, you're supporting
24:40
Speaker 1: a sex predator. So that's that's all I can say
24:43
Speaker 1: for her. I mean sorry, I can't be nice about it. Well,
24:45
Speaker 1: I think you're right, but I will say this. You
24:48
Speaker 1: know how when you love some money, you are blind
24:51
Speaker 1: to their faults, to that fault, child, child sex predator.
24:55
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, hold on, hold on, it's I don't think
24:58
Speaker 1: he was doing it right in front of her, but
25:00
Speaker 1: when she found out, when she found out, you're right
25:02
Speaker 1: about that, you're right about I'm done, gone. There's a
25:06
Speaker 1: limit too. No, I can't see what's sitting in front
25:09
Speaker 1: of me. You know, if that, if what's sitting in
25:11
Speaker 1: front of me is a criminal, that kind of a criminal,
25:15
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm out the door immediately. We'll not give
25:17
Speaker 1: him any kind of support. You're right, you're right. Um,
25:23
Speaker 1: I hate I don't like blaming her. I don't like
25:26
Speaker 1: dragging her into it. But your point is very well taken.
25:31
Speaker 1: Take a listen to whom abdon in claiming, in the
25:35
Speaker 1: famous words of Tammy wy Net, she's standing by her
25:40
Speaker 1: a man. Listen. It was one an easy choice in
25:44
Speaker 1: any way, but I made a decision that it was
25:48
Speaker 1: worth staying in this marriage. That was a decision I
25:50
Speaker 1: made for me, for our son, and for our PM.
25:54
Speaker 1: I didn't know how it worked out, but I did
25:56
Speaker 1: know that I wanted to give it a try. Anthony's
25:59
Speaker 1: makes it horrible mistakes, both before he resigned for Congress
26:03
Speaker 1: and after. But I do very strongly believe that that
26:07
Speaker 1: is between us in all our marriage. We discussed all
26:11
Speaker 1: of us beforehand. He decided for the right femayor so Really,
26:14
Speaker 1: what I want to say is I love him, I
26:17
Speaker 1: have forgiven him, I believe in him. And if we
26:20
Speaker 1: have said from the beginning we are moving forward, that
26:23
Speaker 1: has all changed because wisely whom Abadan who was filed
26:27
Speaker 1: for divorce was not in court for the sentencing. Mark class,
26:30
Speaker 1: Are you sitting down down? Okay, maybe you should lay
26:35
Speaker 1: down for this one. Um. You know they want weener
26:39
Speaker 1: to go to the school killed see I uh Correctional Institute.
26:44
Speaker 1: That is the one that Monikered club fed. In fact,
26:48
Speaker 1: Forbes magazine called it one of the best prisons to
26:53
Speaker 1: go to, one of the best places to go to prison.
26:56
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, go ahead and lay down when you
26:58
Speaker 1: hear this, because I don't want you to pass out.
27:00
Speaker 1: You can play bocci ball, plant veggies and a veggie patch.
27:04
Speaker 1: There are no fences. You can actually walk out because
27:07
Speaker 1: there's no fences. Jim's pool tables, libraries, TV room, a garden, treadmills, stairmasters,
27:15
Speaker 1: exercise bikes again, pool tables, basketball courts, baseball field, racquetball courts,
27:21
Speaker 1: a greenhouse, the veggie patch again. Forbes magazine calls it
27:26
Speaker 1: one of the best places to go to prison. That's
27:29
Speaker 1: what they want, Mark Class, Well, that's not prison, that's
27:33
Speaker 1: a vacation, Nancy, I'm sorry. I mean it's it's about
27:36
Speaker 1: a double standard of justice in our country, and it's
27:38
Speaker 1: about the the It's about privilege, nothing more and nothing less.
27:43
Speaker 1: Upper West Side goes to the best prisons and probably
27:47
Speaker 1: will have the best psychiatrists, but it's still capable of
27:50
Speaker 1: committing the worst possible crime. Did I mention they have
27:52
Speaker 1: Continental breakfast starting at six am? That I mentioned that, Okay,
27:59
Speaker 1: this all goes down. November six will be his prison designation.
28:04
Speaker 1: I go back to him crying and snodding in court.
28:09
Speaker 1: He actually fixed his mouth to say through his lawyers
28:15
Speaker 1: that his son is the reason he should not do
28:18
Speaker 1: jail time. So he is using his minor child, a minor,
28:24
Speaker 1: to evade punishment for abusing a minor. Does does that
28:30
Speaker 1: make does that bass ackwards to anybody but me? Pat
28:33
Speaker 1: Brown isn't just me that finds that crazy. Oh that's
28:36
Speaker 1: been used over and over in court. In other words,
28:38
Speaker 1: don't punish my child by punishing its parents. But let's
28:42
Speaker 1: talk about how much he cares about this child. Remember
28:44
Speaker 1: that picture of him lying next to his son which
28:48
Speaker 1: he sent out the porn picture. I mean, cool takes
28:51
Speaker 1: a picture of their private park next to your own baby.
28:54
Speaker 1: I mean, how disgusting is that? I mean, you mean
28:56
Speaker 1: the one with interaction his own baby was in the
28:58
Speaker 1: porn picture. You know, that's how much he cares about
29:01
Speaker 1: his son. So I'm sorry. I think people don't recognize
29:04
Speaker 1: that perhaps this guy has a psychopathology that's way worse
29:07
Speaker 1: than people want to admit. Because if he cared about
29:09
Speaker 1: his son, if he cared about his wife, if he
29:10
Speaker 1: cared about human beings, if he cared about this young girl,
29:13
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be a child sex predator. I mean that's
29:17
Speaker 1: just a fact. I mean, just because he isn't a
29:19
Speaker 1: serial killer that people can say, oh, a serial killer,
29:22
Speaker 1: he's he's a psychopath. Well what about this guy? Really
29:25
Speaker 1: he's a child sex predator? Well what would you want
29:27
Speaker 1: to call him? You know, I'm gonna put him in
29:29
Speaker 1: the same category. Well, one thing I don't get, Mark
29:32
Speaker 1: Class is the fans are usually pretty harsh on anything
29:35
Speaker 1: to do with like child porn or providing obscene materials
29:39
Speaker 1: to minors. This was the offense he pled guilty too.
29:44
Speaker 1: Transferring obscene material to a minor. He pled to, so
29:47
Speaker 1: there's no doubt he did. He pled guilty to one count,
29:52
Speaker 1: even though we know they're likely dozens at least of
29:57
Speaker 1: the same counts. The statutory man acts on this one
30:00
Speaker 1: crime is ten years. This kind of leniency on the
30:04
Speaker 1: part of the U S attorneys is really unheard of.
30:08
Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Mark Class, Well, I
30:10
Speaker 1: don't think it's unheard of it all at all. Again,
30:12
Speaker 1: this is this is the benefits of privilege. And if
30:15
Speaker 1: you remember Mark Foley, the congressman from West Palm Beach,
30:18
Speaker 1: Florida who was busted enticing the Congressional pages, he was
30:24
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing the Congressional pages at
30:26
Speaker 1: Wiener was doing, and he was able to go back
30:29
Speaker 1: to his home community and and face no justice at all.
30:33
Speaker 1: So if you're positioned in such a situation that you
30:37
Speaker 1: can benefit from these types of privileges, you're going to
30:41
Speaker 1: be able to benefit from them, and you will get
30:42
Speaker 1: a slap on the wrist. And again, it's a very
30:45
Speaker 1: dark road this man is going down. And unless somebody
30:47
Speaker 1: starts taking this seriously, it's going to get worse and
30:51
Speaker 1: worse and worse. In Mark Class, founder of class Kids,
30:54
Speaker 1: tireless victims, advoctate a crime, victim himself. Mark, I want
31:01
Speaker 1: the last word to go to you on this story. Well, Natty,
31:05
Speaker 1: we have to take these kinds of crimes against children
31:08
Speaker 1: very seriously. In many ways, we are taking them more
31:11
Speaker 1: seriously now than we have in the past. But I'm
31:13
Speaker 1: beginning to see I'm beginning to see a crack in
31:17
Speaker 1: the damn. I'm beginning to see people ease back on
31:20
Speaker 1: the idea of punishing criminals and not being so concerned
31:25
Speaker 1: about the needs of victims and about the protection of children.
31:29
Speaker 1: And if we allowed that to continue, then this guy
31:32
Speaker 1: is going to be just the tip of the iceberg.
31:34
Speaker 1: He needs to be punished, he needs to be treated,
31:37
Speaker 1: but he certainly has to be kept away from other children.
31:41
Speaker 1: Or again, and I've said this three or four times,
31:43
Speaker 1: it's going to get worse and worse and worse, and
31:45
Speaker 1: somebody might end up dead certainly people are going to
31:48
Speaker 1: end up in situations that they might not be able
31:51
Speaker 1: to extricate themselves from that. Brown Mark class Scott Kimbler,
31:55
Speaker 1: we await justice in the prison designation. On November six,
32:00
Speaker 1: a gorgeous twenty five year old girl, Julie Mott, succombs
32:05
Speaker 1: to cystic fibrosis. Her family is devastated. They have basically
32:11
Speaker 1: fought for her life, their entire lives. The mom, the dad,
32:16
Speaker 1: the family trying to make her live with cystic fibrosis.
32:21
Speaker 1: And this beautiful she actually looks like a cover girl's
32:27
Speaker 1: long I'm looking at it right now, long blonde hair,
32:29
Speaker 1: big brown eyes. She says, stylish and everything she has.
32:34
Speaker 1: She passes away and the family is devastated. But that's
32:40
Speaker 1: not the end of the story. Then, out of the blue,
32:45
Speaker 1: at the funeral home, Julie's body disappears, Yes, her body
32:54
Speaker 1: disappears from the funeral home. And let me add a
32:58
Speaker 1: feel of facts to that, just to throw a monkey
33:00
Speaker 1: wrench in the work. The hinges on her coffin are busted,
33:04
Speaker 1: are broken, The hinges are broken. The coffin is still
33:08
Speaker 1: there in the funeral home in a hallway. Her body
33:13
Speaker 1: is gone. Someone actually goes into her coffin, breaks it
33:16
Speaker 1: open and takes out her lifeless of body and as
33:20
Speaker 1: of right now no clue as to were is Julie.
33:25
Speaker 1: I mean, on top of everything to have her body taken.
33:31
Speaker 1: Scott Kimbler is joining me. Crime Stories investigative reporter, Scott
33:35
Speaker 1: what happened when they see everything about this story would
33:38
Speaker 1: fall under the category of completely strange. At the funeral home,
33:42
Speaker 1: you have the family, of course creathing, but you also
33:45
Speaker 1: have this obsessive ex boyfriend that was there sort of
33:49
Speaker 1: just messed up the entire mood of the funeral. And
33:52
Speaker 1: then after the funeral they realized that the body is gone.
33:57
Speaker 1: And not only is it gone, a cart that it
34:00
Speaker 1: right on is leaned over. And you know, that's the
34:03
Speaker 1: fact I didn't know, Scott Kimbler, that the car was
34:06
Speaker 1: all bent up. That that adds another fact to this scenario.
34:12
Speaker 1: There's so many wrinkles in it. Pat Brown, criminal profiler.
34:15
Speaker 1: You know, to say criminal profiler to Pat Brown really
34:18
Speaker 1: doesn't do her justice. Let me just introduce he's with me.
34:21
Speaker 1: Wendy Russell Winer, deathcare industry expert, Scott Kimbler, Investigative reporter,
34:30
Speaker 1: Mark class need I say More crime victim advocate and
34:35
Speaker 1: Pat Brown criminal profiler. To Pat Brown, Pat, I don't
34:39
Speaker 1: understand how this happened. Well, you know, there only seems
34:43
Speaker 1: to have been one real suspect, and that is the
34:45
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend who's the stalker. I mean, this guy stalked
34:48
Speaker 1: her in real life, then she dies, he stalks her
34:50
Speaker 1: to the funeral, then he stays after the funeral, and
34:54
Speaker 1: then you're gonna wonder who else would want to take
34:56
Speaker 1: her body. I mean really, at that moment in time,
34:59
Speaker 1: it seems a little strange to anybody else in the
35:01
Speaker 1: funeral home, but suddenly decide I've just got to have
35:03
Speaker 1: this beautiful woman's body. I mean, it's just a little
35:06
Speaker 1: I agree. And in fact, so you have to think
35:09
Speaker 1: that he came back and paid somebody to let him
35:11
Speaker 1: in there. And I'm sure that's what the police have
35:13
Speaker 1: been looking at. Who did he pay off? There's no video,
35:16
Speaker 1: So did he pay off somebody to let him come
35:18
Speaker 1: back and steal her body? I can't think of anything
35:20
Speaker 1: else that could have happened, you know. To Wendy Russell Winer,
35:24
Speaker 1: death care industry expert. You know, I was just telling
35:28
Speaker 1: story when I met Wendy she practically had nothing on.
35:33
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I'll tell the rest of the story.
35:35
Speaker 1: We were in a swimming pool. We did not meet
35:38
Speaker 1: at a highbrow legal function. I had the twins on
35:42
Speaker 1: vacation at the beach and struck up a conversation with
35:45
Speaker 1: a lady that had girls of her own, and it
35:48
Speaker 1: turned out to be she is uh, one of the
35:51
Speaker 1: top experts in her field. Wendy Russell Winner deathcare industry expert. Wendy,
35:56
Speaker 1: I don't get how this whole thing happened. I mean,
35:59
Speaker 1: we've got two alternatives. One, we've got the idea that
36:02
Speaker 1: Pat Brown is floating, and the way she analyzes it
36:05
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. This guy stalked her in life.
36:10
Speaker 1: He called her obsessively. Uh. In fact, he called the
36:14
Speaker 1: funeral home two hundred times in one day. Okay, just
36:18
Speaker 1: so you know, that's what I'm talking about, obsessive. And
36:22
Speaker 1: she broke up with him, and he came to the
36:25
Speaker 1: funeral the family told him to leave and there. While
36:28
Speaker 1: Pat's right, there's not video of the moment of what happened,
36:31
Speaker 1: he is caught on video later in the days following
36:37
Speaker 1: the funeral, coming back to the funeral home and he
36:40
Speaker 1: is being prosecuted for criminal trespass. But Wendy, I mean,
36:44
Speaker 1: it just makes sense to me if he had the body,
36:46
Speaker 1: why would he be coming back to the funeral home
36:49
Speaker 1: days later, as if he's looking for clues to find her.
36:52
Speaker 1: What do you think, Wendy, Was there some sort of
36:54
Speaker 1: a mix you know, Nancy? It doesn't seem as though
36:59
Speaker 1: the remains were confused with another set of remains, as
37:04
Speaker 1: as some have suggested. Uh, it doesn't appear that this,
37:08
Speaker 1: uh is what you would call a mix up with
37:11
Speaker 1: regard to the body. Rather, But why do you say that?
37:15
Speaker 1: Why do you say that, Wendy, Because I'd rather think
37:18
Speaker 1: it was a mix up, although I don't like that
37:19
Speaker 1: idea either as opposed to someone taking the body for
37:25
Speaker 1: obviously odd purposes. Sure, the the evidence that suggests that
37:31
Speaker 1: this was not simply uh failure of communication or some
37:37
Speaker 1: sort of mishap that occurred at the funeral home relates
37:40
Speaker 1: to the fact that, Uh, the remains were taken apparently
37:46
Speaker 1: before the business hours of the funeral home even concluded,
37:50
Speaker 1: So between the time that the funeral ended and the
37:54
Speaker 1: clothes of business that day, that's the time period in
37:57
Speaker 1: which the police think that the remains were taken, and
38:00
Speaker 1: of course, uh, if the employees of the funeral establishment
38:04
Speaker 1: had something to do with the removal of the remains
38:08
Speaker 1: from the casket, you wouldn't expect to see broken hinges.
38:11
Speaker 1: What You're right, that's the one fact, Wendy that I
38:14
Speaker 1: keep coming back to, the broken hinges, and so you
38:17
Speaker 1: would Uh, you would have expected that if employees were involved,
38:21
Speaker 1: they would have known how to open a casket which
38:24
Speaker 1: can be opened. But uh, in this circumstance, we've got
38:28
Speaker 1: broken hinges. Uh. We don't have any evidence that after
38:33
Speaker 1: the funeral home closed, that there was any um re
38:37
Speaker 1: entry to the funeral establishment after hours or anything of
38:41
Speaker 1: that nature. What we end up with is a casket
38:45
Speaker 1: with broken hinges still in place where it was a
38:49
Speaker 1: waiting transport to the um other facility, other death care
38:54
Speaker 1: facility that was involved, and ultimately, UM, you know, the
38:58
Speaker 1: remains there mens are simply gone. Take a listen. Julie's
39:03
Speaker 1: mother says she's absolutely devastated and begging for help. This
39:11
Speaker 1: selfish person who took her could not have loved her
39:14
Speaker 1: any more than I do. I need her back. Please,
39:18
Speaker 1: pleas you, please, please return our Julie to us. Her
39:25
Speaker 1: final wishes are very important to her family. To complete
39:29
Speaker 1: them it is the last thing we can do for her.
39:34
Speaker 1: And now to our special guest, Mark Class, founder of
39:39
Speaker 1: Class Kids, a tireless advocate for victims rights. He has
39:44
Speaker 1: been on a mission since the kidnap and murder of
39:50
Speaker 1: his beautiful daughter Polly. Mark, I, as I always say,
39:55
Speaker 1: and I use you in so many arguments, you are
39:58
Speaker 1: the gold standard. Whenever I have a victim's family behaving strangely, i'mlie.
40:05
Speaker 1: Look at Mark Class. Look at how he behaved from
40:09
Speaker 1: the word go when he found out Polly was missing.
40:13
Speaker 1: That is what I would expect of a victim's family.
40:16
Speaker 1: Mark Class is the goal standard and has led the
40:19
Speaker 1: fight for victims justice for so many years. Mark, you
40:24
Speaker 1: gotta keep going because I don't know what we would
40:26
Speaker 1: ever do without you. You just gotta keep going. I
40:28
Speaker 1: know you've got the weight of the world on your shoulders, man,
40:31
Speaker 1: but you gotta keep climbing up hill. Right now, you
40:34
Speaker 1: just heard Julie Motts and mother begging, begging. What does
40:39
Speaker 1: this mean to a victim's family? Oh nay, thank you
40:43
Speaker 1: for the kind words. You know. It's this mother transports
40:48
Speaker 1: me back to those dark days when Paully was in
40:52
Speaker 1: a funeral home and she was in a little, tiny casket,
40:55
Speaker 1: and we were preparing to cremate Paully, and some of
41:02
Speaker 1: the deepest emotions I've ever felt in my life were
41:05
Speaker 1: sitting alone with my daughter's remains in the funeral home.
41:10
Speaker 1: It didn't last long, maybe fifteen minutes, maybe half an hour,
41:15
Speaker 1: but I had never felt so close yet so just
41:19
Speaker 1: at the same time in my entire life. Um, it's
41:23
Speaker 1: it's devastating what's happened here. But I take a I
41:26
Speaker 1: take a little exception to a few of the things
41:29
Speaker 1: that I've heard so far. I find it really difficult
41:32
Speaker 1: to believe, Nancy that during operating hours, while there are
41:36
Speaker 1: still people in the funeral home, and most funeral homes
41:39
Speaker 1: aren't aren't gigantic establishments, say they have, uh, they tend
41:44
Speaker 1: to be rather small, that somebody would somehow get into
41:49
Speaker 1: her coffin, break open her coffin, tip over the cart
41:54
Speaker 1: that the coffin was sitting on, slim her over their shoulder,
41:59
Speaker 1: and and out without being detected. That that makes absolutely
42:03
Speaker 1: no sense to me at all. Furthermore, it really makes
42:06
Speaker 1: no sense to me that the boy friend would continually
42:10
Speaker 1: call the funeral home, continually called the family, continually do
42:15
Speaker 1: everything he seemingly is able to do to find out
42:18
Speaker 1: what happened to her remains. I suspect that there might
42:21
Speaker 1: be something even more nefarious going on. I suspect that
42:24
Speaker 1: there might be not collusion, but that there might be
42:27
Speaker 1: something going on with either one of the employees at
42:30
Speaker 1: the funeral home itself or the subcontractor whose job it
42:34
Speaker 1: was to collect her remains and cremate them after business
42:38
Speaker 1: hours after the establishment had closed down. Because nobody broke in,
42:43
Speaker 1: no alarms were sounded, whatsoever. This is a mystery, Um,
42:48
Speaker 1: This is a mystery that goes I think beyond the
42:51
Speaker 1: boyfriend himself. Yeah, and why, I mean Mark, you and
42:54
Speaker 1: I and and Pat have analyzed literally hundreds, if not more,
42:58
Speaker 1: probably over the years, thousands of aces together. I mean,
43:01
Speaker 1: why would he keep going back if he had the body?
43:04
Speaker 1: This is after her body disappears. He's caught on video
43:07
Speaker 1: coming back and they finally had to issue a warrant
43:10
Speaker 1: to keep him away from the funeral home. That doesn't
43:13
Speaker 1: make sense to me. If he had the body, he
43:15
Speaker 1: would keep coming back. This is what we know. After
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Speaker 1: the memorial service, but before her body was transferred to
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Speaker 1: the crematorium, the funeral home quote lost possession of Julie's body.
43:26
Speaker 1: To this day is unable to explain how the body
43:30
Speaker 1: goes missing. There were searches, uh mission park officials, volunteer
43:35
Speaker 1: search parks. Would it areas for any clue to find
43:38
Speaker 1: her completely unsuccessful? You know, Mark class with me the
43:44
Speaker 1: way you describe that moment, I couldn't help. But in
43:48
Speaker 1: my mind go back to two very stark and different moments. First,
43:53
Speaker 1: when my fiance's funeral occurred after he was murdered, I
43:57
Speaker 1: walked in to the over a whelming smell of carnations,
44:01
Speaker 1: which to this day I can't They make me physically
44:05
Speaker 1: sick to smell to this day. And at a distance,
44:08
Speaker 1: I saw his profile in a casket and I passed out.
44:14
Speaker 1: That was as a girl, all right. Fast forward years later,
44:19
Speaker 1: my dad, as you know Mark, recently passed away and
44:25
Speaker 1: I felt those moments that you describe with Polly, just
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Speaker 1: sitting there with him. I didn't want them to close
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Speaker 1: the casket. I didn't want it to be over when
44:35
Speaker 1: they took him to bury him, I tried to walk
44:38
Speaker 1: away and kept going back. I didn't I can stand
44:42
Speaker 1: to see him buried, but those moments in that funeral home,
44:48
Speaker 1: I will never forget it. And then to have this happen. Um,
44:55
Speaker 1: I just don't know which way to turn from here.
44:57
Speaker 1: But Pat Brown criminal profile or heard what Mark Class
45:01
Speaker 1: just said? Who would take her body? What person would
45:06
Speaker 1: take her body? Well, that's what I'm saying. You know
45:08
Speaker 1: that I have a problem with it being somebody who
45:11
Speaker 1: has connected, who had the ability to move her body
45:15
Speaker 1: in the proper way. There should be no damage done
45:17
Speaker 1: to anything. I just you know, it doesn't make any sense.
45:19
Speaker 1: I can understand if they moved it and something went
45:22
Speaker 1: wrong and somebody lost it or whatever, that shouldn't they
45:24
Speaker 1: shouldn't have that damage to to the casket. Uh. And
45:27
Speaker 1: as far as the boyfriend does, hey, look he's a stalker.
45:30
Speaker 1: You cannot predict how he's gonna behave. He may have
45:33
Speaker 1: taken that body and he still may be hounding them
45:36
Speaker 1: because it amuses him or where it maybe because he
45:38
Speaker 1: wants it to look like he doesn't know what happened,
45:40
Speaker 1: So he's look, I don't know what happened to her.
45:41
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to her. So he calls
45:43
Speaker 1: and calls and calls that that's that doesn't prove he
45:46
Speaker 1: wasn't involved. So I have a problem with the fact
45:48
Speaker 1: there was her particular body that disappeared and there was
45:51
Speaker 1: damamage done. That to me shows somebody came in who
45:57
Speaker 1: wasn't didn't have the ability to move her in the
46:00
Speaker 1: right way. And I don't understand what anybody who specifically
46:02
Speaker 1: worked at the funeral home and put her their hands
46:05
Speaker 1: on it would have done that incorrectly. So I still
46:08
Speaker 1: say they got to look back at who's involved. There's
46:11
Speaker 1: the whole criminal profile of the person that would take
46:14
Speaker 1: a dead body. Staff members at the funeral home didn't
46:16
Speaker 1: discover her body missing until the day after the service,
46:22
Speaker 1: as they preferred to transfer it to the crematorium. Police
46:25
Speaker 1: insist it was taken within a three hour window at
46:29
Speaker 1: the end of the service, between that and the end
46:31
Speaker 1: of the business day tipline to one oh two to
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Speaker 1: five eight four seven seven. Windy Russell Wiener, deathcare industry expert,
46:42
Speaker 1: what can be done now? UM, just allow the police
46:46
Speaker 1: to continue their investigation. There's really, uh nothing from a
46:50
Speaker 1: deathcare regulatory perspective that can be done at this point. Uh.
46:53
Speaker 1: It seems as though the police have uh, you know,
46:57
Speaker 1: initiated an investigation. I know the this uh not as
47:02
Speaker 1: fresh an investigation as others. But as new facts come
47:06
Speaker 1: to white and as information becomes known, UH, you know,
47:10
Speaker 1: there's always a bit of an increased interest and that
47:15
Speaker 1: can reignite the investigation. UH. In terms of the funeral
47:19
Speaker 1: establishment and the other deathcare licensee that we're involved, the
47:23
Speaker 1: state will continue to oversee the regulation of both of
47:28
Speaker 1: those licenses and UH, and we'll take appropriate action if
47:31
Speaker 1: it later turns out that they were involved. Last question,
47:34
Speaker 1: you know, the funeral home contract with another company to
47:37
Speaker 1: actually move the body. Uh. What about the fact that
47:40
Speaker 1: that company was had mixed up another two bodies just recently.
47:44
Speaker 1: This isn't their first offense. I understand that that is
47:49
Speaker 1: the situation. There doesn't appear to be any evidence of
47:52
Speaker 1: a mix up in this particular scenario. Remember when remains
47:56
Speaker 1: are mixed up, if there is a confusion about uh,
48:00
Speaker 1: the records related to human remains, there is typically not
48:05
Speaker 1: Typically there is always more than one set of remains involved.
48:09
Speaker 1: You think you have one set of remains, but really
48:12
Speaker 1: you have another. In this situation, we don't have a
48:15
Speaker 1: second set of remains that would have been uh tied
48:19
Speaker 1: into a mix up in this situation that we know of,
48:23
Speaker 1: true that we know of, but the evidence so far
48:26
Speaker 1: has not revealed that there is any kind of a
48:29
Speaker 1: mix up. And you would have expected to have seen
48:34
Speaker 1: records that would have indicated that there was some kind
48:37
Speaker 1: of a miscommunication or a mix up, right if in
48:40
Speaker 1: fact that had happened, Well, that leads me to the
48:42
Speaker 1: reality of it's not a mix up, and there was
48:44
Speaker 1: an intentional theft of this young girl's body, and what
48:47
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