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Coordinator's Corner: Utes OC Kevin McGiven on the win over Houston, Devon Dampier taking over in the 2nd half, At Cincy this week + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Right now, we're talking offense, Coordinator's Corner, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Mountain Home Services. And this week, it's the offense.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McGibbon is kind enough to join us on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Mac G, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Doing good. How are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 3: Doing all right.
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  Speaker 2: 7-0.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me what's the best thing about 7-0 right now, Coach.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Haven't had to see Morgan too mad yet,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, maybe. Yeah. You know, it always, always makes
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  Speaker 2: life easier when you, when you come off a win,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and, and so being here and having, not
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  Speaker 2: having had to face that adversity yet is, is pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: So there was a lot of narrative about whether or
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  Speaker 1: not your team was tested heading into a game against
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  Speaker 1: the top 15 Houston squad.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, all you can do is beat the
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  Speaker 3: teams in front of you.
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  Speaker 1: But there's, I think, some validity to the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the schedule gets tougher in the second half of the
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  Speaker 1: season for Utah. And so maybe it felt like the
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  Speaker 1: first big test. Maybe it felt like you were facing
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  Speaker 1: an equal. And statistically, Houston and Utah were very similar
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  Speaker 1: coming into these games. But tell me how it was
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  Speaker 1: preparing for Houston and then going out and seeing you
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  Speaker 1: guys execute the way they did, knowing that they were
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  Speaker 1: probably a better team than any of the ones you
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  Speaker 1: had faced in the six weeks previously.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there was, there was a lot of really,
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  Speaker 2: really focused practices, a lot of energy, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think players understood what was at stake. I think we
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  Speaker 2: got a little bit of a wake up call the
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  Speaker 2: week before when I'm playing Colorado, because you know, that,
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  Speaker 2: that was a close game and, and we didn't feel
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  Speaker 2: like we performed at our best. And so there were
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  Speaker 2: some learning moments coming out of that game that we
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  Speaker 2: had to apply just to be better, period, regardless of
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  Speaker 2: who we were playing. But put a lot of good
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  Speaker 2: preparation in on Houston. And, you know, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the kids kind of took it to heart with some
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  Speaker 2: of the naysayers and wanted to go out there and
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  Speaker 2: prove that we belonged at this level and could compete. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We overuse in sports media, I know I'm guilty of this,
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  Speaker 1: halftime adjustments. And you hear guys who are actually in
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  Speaker 1: football be like, man, I've never adjusted anything at halftime
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  Speaker 1: in my life. But this was a tale of two
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  Speaker 1: halves for your offense. All those other previous games, you've
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  Speaker 1: been off to a hot start, and that didn't happen
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  Speaker 1: against Houston. Of course, things really got going after the
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  Speaker 1: halftime break. So tell me what that tale of two
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  Speaker 1: halves looked like from your perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was pretty good ball movement going on in
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  Speaker 2: the first half. A couple of third-down situations that we
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  Speaker 2: got out of with some miscommunications and some lack of
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  Speaker 2: execution had a turnover on a drive that I think
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  Speaker 2: that's the first take that we were starting to sustain
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  Speaker 2: that drive, pushing the ball down the field, and then
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  Speaker 2: came away with no points in the two-minute at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the first half. But did a really good
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  Speaker 2: job fighting out of a backup situation, getting it down
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  Speaker 2: to where we can take a shot at the end
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  Speaker 2: zone with six seconds left, knowing that we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: preserve time for a field goal. And so my message
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  Speaker 2: to them at halftime was, you know, I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: the score was indicative of what they were doing, moving
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  Speaker 2: the ball and just need to go out and capitalize on,
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  Speaker 2: on some situations and be able to finish some of
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  Speaker 2: those off. And, you know, and so, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: kids weren't even phased when I saw them in the
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  Speaker 2: locker room, they were, they were, you know, they were
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  Speaker 2: extremely dialed in and, and, you know, really looked unflappable
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  Speaker 2: in that moment, which was good to see because they
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  Speaker 2: hadn't been in that moment yet. And then, and then
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  Speaker 2: there were some schematic adjustments that we had to make
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  Speaker 2: with just some things Houston was doing, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: particular to the run game and, and with some of
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  Speaker 2: the protections and things like that, where we had to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, go back to a little bit more gap scheme,
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  Speaker 2: playing a little bit more, you know, some of more
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  Speaker 2: of our option wrinkles, you know, getting dev more involved
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  Speaker 2: as a, as a reader. And then, and then a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things he could, he just kind of took
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  Speaker 2: upon himself, you know, when he took the game over and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just went through his process when I called
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  Speaker 2: passes really quickly. And so decided he needed to use
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  Speaker 2: his feet to get us back on track, which was
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  Speaker 2: definitely what we needed.
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  Speaker 1: That was going to be my next question. Was that
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  Speaker 1: something that you as a coaching staff decided, or was that,
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  Speaker 1: Devin Dampier just recognizing the green grass in front of him,
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  Speaker 1: or I imagine some balance to that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a big part of it was his
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  Speaker 2: preparation going in and, you know, with the, with the defense,
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  Speaker 2: with the defensive scheme, there were, there was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of lift and carry where, you know, they had wall
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  Speaker 2: players that were carrying verticals. And so a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people that were getting depth and turning their back away
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  Speaker 2: from the quarterback, you know, and so that, his ability
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  Speaker 2: to recognize that and, you know, also to pre-snap diagnose
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  Speaker 2: the coverage and where he needed to take his eyes.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, it wasn't a lot of fulfilled
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  Speaker 2: progressions going on. You know, he got his eyes to
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  Speaker 2: a spot that he thought should be there. And then
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  Speaker 2: if it looked muddy, then he was very decisive. You know, but...
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  Speaker 2: Took enough time to let things lift, to kind of
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  Speaker 2: let things sort out in front of him, and then
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  Speaker 2: made some of those decisions to go. And I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was appropriate. But I think it was also part
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  Speaker 2: of him just taking over the game, putting the team
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  Speaker 2: on his shoulders, and said, okay, I'm going to will
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  Speaker 2: us to victory here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is probably a dumb question to ask,
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  Speaker 1: but how– how nice is that to have a guy
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  Speaker 1: who's capable of doing it? Because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are technically proficient. And I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: their coaches and their coordinators truly trust that. Like he's
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  Speaker 1: always going to make the right decision. He is capable
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  Speaker 1: of putting a team on his back and doing that. You,
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  Speaker 1: you do have that. So you could call a great game,
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  Speaker 1: but hopefully Devin, can you make it even better?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know how common that is in college football.
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  Speaker 3: You have that luxury.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And it is a, it is a luxury,
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  Speaker 2: you know you know, and, and I would say, I
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  Speaker 2: would say up to this point, just with the, with
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  Speaker 2: the offensive scheme and philosophy, you know, where he's, he's
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  Speaker 2: really tried hard to master that and, and really tries
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  Speaker 2: hard to apply it in the games and doing the
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  Speaker 2: right things, distributing the ball appropriately and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but I don't know that I had really
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  Speaker 2: seen him. I mean, seen him make a lot of plays,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know if I had really seen him
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  Speaker 2: flip that switch like that before. And, you know, with
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  Speaker 2: my experience with him, but I, but I told him
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  Speaker 2: after the game, I was like, Hey, you got to
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  Speaker 2: get on the headset and tell me when you're ready
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  Speaker 2: to take this thing over. Cause I need to call
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  Speaker 2: it appropriately. And he's been, he's been awesome and made
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  Speaker 2: a ton of plays and he's, he's running the office
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  Speaker 2: really well, but there was, there was kind of a
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  Speaker 2: different level to his mindset. And so, you know, it was,
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  Speaker 2: I started to kind of pick up on that and then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, started to try to call it appropriately based
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  Speaker 2: on what his mindset was.
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  Speaker 1: I probably asked you about this before, but one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite things about getting to know Devin and, and
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  Speaker 1: talking to him about mistakes that he does make is
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  Speaker 1: that he's got that short memory and that he just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, he doesn't let it kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: He throws shots. There was a pick where he got
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  Speaker 3: hit on the first one.
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  Speaker 1: The second one, you know a lot more about playing
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  Speaker 1: the position that I do, was just kind of boneheaded,
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  Speaker 1: it looked like. It was just like a bad decision
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  Speaker 1: and one you would like to have back. And he
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  Speaker 1: gets over it. And he goes out and he makes
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  Speaker 1: the next play. And that seems like such a crucial
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  Speaker 1: thing for a quarterback to be.
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  Speaker 3: Able to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I think there can be... there can be
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  Speaker 2: a snowball effect. And as we know, you know, football
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  Speaker 2: is a game of momentum and you know, and so
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  Speaker 2: anytime you let those things compound, you know, that's what
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  Speaker 2: can cause a lot of those momentum shifts. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so I think the quarterback's ability to respond to, and
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  Speaker 2: not just to dig you out of a rut, but just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to make sure they have a level of consistency.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's been a big part of what,
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  Speaker 2: Coach Scali has instilled with the growth mindset of the players,
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  Speaker 2: talked about it every day, that they're going to make mistakes,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to grow from them. I tell them every
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  Speaker 2: day that, hey, this is a learn and apply system.
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  Speaker 2: You're not always going to be perfect. We just got
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  Speaker 2: to make sure we're making the right decisions most of
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  Speaker 2: the time and that we're not doing things that are
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  Speaker 2: going to lose his football games. You know, and so
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  Speaker 2: there were a couple of those situations we'd like to
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  Speaker 2: have back that you'd consider critical errors. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: right now he's doing a lot more to win his
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  Speaker 2: football games than he is to lose.
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  Speaker 1: Remain the close game into the crucial moments, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of what we expected in this one
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  Speaker 1: is number 10 versus number 14.
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  Speaker 3: At least those were the rankings at the time.
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  Speaker 1: And you got to find that moment like you did
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  Speaker 1: against Colorado the week previous where somebody is going to
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  Speaker 1: make a play and it happened to be the defense
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  Speaker 1: that had to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Did you, did you even get to watch it live coach?
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  Speaker 1: I know that half the time your, your head's buried
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  Speaker 1: in the playbook and things like that. Did you get
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  Speaker 1: to see Jackson Benny sack in real time?
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  Speaker 2: I did. I did not see it. So my, my
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  Speaker 2: head was down on call. She tried to trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure some things out and then And then I just
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  Speaker 2: heard a bunch of people erupt on the headset. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so then I kind of looked up to
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  Speaker 2: see the aftermath because obviously I had a call ready. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, what a big time play by
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  Speaker 2: that kid. Great call by Coach Swan. And that was
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  Speaker 2: really to finish that thing off. I thought Swan, was
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  Speaker 2: really masterful in the way he handled the end of
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  Speaker 2: that game to get those guys off the field and
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  Speaker 2: some of the things that he dialed up. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 2: were able to capitalize on some of that stuff, but
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  Speaker 2: let us figure ourselves out because we were playing such
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  Speaker 2: great defense throughout against a really, really good offense. And
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  Speaker 2: then And then we finally found our footing. And I
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  Speaker 2: felt like we probably could have got a separation even
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  Speaker 2: earlier than that. It would have been our third drive
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  Speaker 2: after we had scored two consecutive and we were driving
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  Speaker 2: down again and then had the pick on first down.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, needed a big time play in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: Then defense came through and then we were able to
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  Speaker 2: capitalize the score off of it with a short field.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel sad you didn't get to watch it
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  Speaker 1: in real time because it was one of the more
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  Speaker 1: special moments that we've had in recent years at Rice
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  Speaker 1: Cycle Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: But then you've got to have that play ready.
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  Speaker 1: Was there any conversation about, hey, let's take some time
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  Speaker 1: and not score right away here?
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  Speaker 2: You know, so we're really big into analytics. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Joe DeRozzi does some in-game stuff for Coach Scali and
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  Speaker 2: gives me some information and things like that. But I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you– when you get into that situation,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're kind of talking like you're guaranteed you're
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  Speaker 2: going to score. And, and I don't know that you
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  Speaker 2: can always look at it like that. You know, when you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of when you run your first play,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, are they letting us score because they
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  Speaker 2: want to get the ball back with enough time, but
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't the case either on that, on that first play.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, it happened to be that the
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  Speaker 2: first place score, but I think the appropriate thing was that,
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  Speaker 2: was the decision that coach Scali made and told us, okay,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead and score. And then, um, kick the PAT
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  Speaker 2: to make it eight points. And, you know, and so
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  Speaker 2: I think those decisions were, were appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously it worked out exactly the way that your
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  Speaker 1: team needed it to. And I, I fully understand this
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  Speaker 1: thought process that Morgan explained to us and saying like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to, I'm going to trust my defense to
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  Speaker 1: get me that stop. Like, Houston would have to have
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  Speaker 1: two scoring plays to even tie it if we're up
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  Speaker 1: by eight.
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  Speaker 3: So let's do it that way.
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  Speaker 2: And I think with Morgan and the game flow, because
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  Speaker 2: the defense had been playing so well in that game,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe a different scenario if that's like a,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a 50 to 48 game or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you might not feel good about that. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: A couple more minutes on coordinator's corner. Kevin McGiven giving
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  Speaker 1: us some time here, brought to you by Mountain Home Services.
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  Speaker 1: So now you're 7-0, number six-ranked team in the country,
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  Speaker 1: and you've got this weird spot where you've got to
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  Speaker 1: travel to the eastern time zone against a team that's
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  Speaker 1: also coming off a huge win against Cincinnati. And, look,
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  Speaker 1: they can score points, but they've got some defensive vulnerabilities,
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  Speaker 1: it appears. What are you seeing from Cincinnati Bearcats on film?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some good players around back there. They've
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  Speaker 2: got some speed and some length. I would say a
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  Speaker 2: defense that is kind of opportunistic. I would say playing
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  Speaker 2: with a little bit of confidence. I felt like it
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  Speaker 2: was a little bit more confident group playing against Texas Tech,
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  Speaker 2: or at least it grew throughout that game, especially as
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  Speaker 2: they were competitive. And then And then it looks to
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  Speaker 2: me over time that they've just gotten more comfortable with
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  Speaker 2: their scheme. They're able to mix looks up a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more than some of the other games. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of flavor of the week depending on
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  Speaker 2: who they play and what they have to defend. And
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  Speaker 2: then we have to look back at some of the
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  Speaker 2: things that have caused us issues the last couple games
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  Speaker 2: with Houston and Colorado that we've been trying to address
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  Speaker 2: and say, okay, Cincinnati saw this stuff works. you know, or,
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  Speaker 2: or slow things down or give us problems. And so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've got to make sure that those things
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  Speaker 2: are handled as well in case they show up again.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody recognizes these, we call them trap games, right? The
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  Speaker 1: look ahead spot or the emotional letdown after a night game,
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  Speaker 1: a blackout game with a exciting win against Houston and
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  Speaker 1: everyone around college football knows that they're there, but how
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  Speaker 1: do you actually avoid the pitfalls, right? It, BYU knew
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  Speaker 1: this was coming when they played against UCF, and they
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  Speaker 1: still found a way to lose to UCF. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, man, there's a gap, it appears, Coach, between
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  Speaker 1: knowing it's a problem and being able to solve the problem.
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  Speaker 3: So how do you go about it this week?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think a lot of it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: going into yesterday, even into practice, was, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff maybe having to drive the energy a little
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  Speaker 2: bit from the get-go when we met with the players.
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was, it was a lot about, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we need to be different. You know, there's, there's one,
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  Speaker 2: there's a reason why there's only one champion and it's
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  Speaker 2: because that team has figured out a way to be
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  Speaker 2: different and everybody else had kind of settled for average
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  Speaker 2: or they let complacency settle in and they thought they
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  Speaker 2: were just going to show up and it was going
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  Speaker 2: to happen for them just because it had happened seven
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  Speaker 2: times previously or whatever. Um, you know, but, but I
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  Speaker 2: think the, I think they understand where we need to,
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  Speaker 2: where we need to improve that, you know, even the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of games have been hard fought battles and,
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  Speaker 2: and everything didn't look the way we needed it to
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  Speaker 2: look to, to finish this thing out the way we
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  Speaker 2: want to. And, um, and so very focused practice yesterday, very,
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  Speaker 2: very intentional. And so I, I think I like what
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  Speaker 2: the mindset was in terms of.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, kickoff times, sorry, kickoff times have been a, uh,
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  Speaker 1: extensive topic of conversation heading into last week and now
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  Speaker 1: this week. And of course next week, do you have
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  Speaker 1: any thoughts, any preference one way or another on when you,
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  Speaker 1: your games kickoff?
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  Speaker 2: I think everybody would like to play at like one
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  Speaker 2: o'clock on Saturday. And so, but yeah, I haven't had
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  Speaker 2: too many of those, but I will, I will tell
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  Speaker 2: you this, just having been around it for the first
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  Speaker 2: time is, rise cycles at night is electric and you
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  Speaker 2: know so i i really enjoy those those games at
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  Speaker 2: night it um it has a little bit of an
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  Speaker 2: effect the next day and going into monday when you
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  Speaker 2: have those when you have those late nights and early
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  Speaker 2: mornings and and you got to kind of recover as
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  Speaker 2: the week goes on when you have those late games
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  Speaker 2: and try to get used to different different schedules surrounding
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  Speaker 2: meetings and practice and walkthroughs and stuff like that so
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: it's A little bit tough to get into a routine,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: but I think that's probably the mark of a championship
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: program as well, is you've just got to adapt and
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: roll with the punches.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Are you a Halloween candy guy?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Will you be taking a tax out of whatever candy
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: is being handed out or collected at the Begiven household?
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: No.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I will not be, but I don't even know if
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: there's going to be candy. My wife usually will hand
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: out something like pencils or something like that where kids
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: have got to be creative with it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Okay. You're one of those houses, Coach. I hope nobody
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: eggs you or something.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the word gets out that what we're handing out,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and you don't see kids late into the night. Yeah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, well go enjoy things in Cincinnati coach. Congratulations on
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: everything that's happened so far. Appreciate you giving us time
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: as always go Utes.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thank you.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Kevin McGibbon.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: That's Mac G his team, his offense undefeated so far
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: this year, taking on a Cincinnati squad in Cincinnati, of course.