Latest / Patriots Catch-22 / Patriots Catch-22 12/17: 3 Up/Down vs. Bills, Areas to Improve, Ravens Preview

Transcript

Patriots Catch-22 12/17: 3 Up/Down vs. Bills, Areas to Improve, Ravens Preview · Patriots Catch-22

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: Bar and Lazarre.
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our Here
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: I think the the other element with Josh Allen, just
• 0:25
  Speaker 3: from my standpoint, is that he's probably the hardest quarterback
• 0:29
  Speaker 3: to defend in the in the league, because he's just
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: so otherworldly talented physically, Like there's really not a weakness
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: to his game from a physical talent standpoint, because of
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: how good he is with his arm man with his legs.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: I think Lamar is harder to defend.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: I don't Lamar to me, and I love Lamar, you know,
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: but Lamar is a between the numbers thrower. If you
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: can funnel the ball outside the numbers and make him
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: push the ball outside the numbers, Lamar is not the same. Well,
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: I guess we'll find out.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: I guess we want.
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: We got the back to back here at the two
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: most recent NFL MVPs, right, I think I think that's right.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: And some people think Lamar should have been the MVP
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: last year. Should have so maybe some people sitting to
• 1:16
  Speaker 3: my right. So yeah, there's a it'll be interesting to
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: see how it looks against these two guys. Now, Lamar
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: is not fully healthy, so I think that that is
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: an important caveat to put on it. But we'll get
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: to Lamar and we'll get to the Baltimore Ravens. Sorry,
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: we're a few minutes late. I know none of you care,
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: but there was some bad traffic, maybe an accident or
• 1:40
  Speaker 3: something on our both of our commutes this morning, so
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: i'lex meet me by a few minutes, so he would
• 1:45
  Speaker 3: have been on time. It was it was me that
• 1:47
  Speaker 3: was three minutes late, So I apologize. But we're here.
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: We're up and running. All things considered, it wasn't as
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: late as we could have probably been given the traffic
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: in the situation, so we'll take it. Anyway. Let's talk
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: a little bit about this Bills game. We'll certainly get
• 2:04
  Speaker 3: to the Ravens here, probably in the second hour of
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: the show. We'll take your calls and emails. With the
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: phone lines already lighting up this morning and the emails.
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: And it does seem like a loss like this one
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: elicit's a lot more response than a ten game winning streak.
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: For some reason, that might just be the market we
• 2:23
  Speaker 3: are in but I want to start here with the
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: Bills in this game on Sunday, because we texted back
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: and forth about this Sunday morning, Sunday night into Monday morning.
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: It felt like about where we were in our steps
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: of processing this loss. And I think that where I've
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: settled now as I kind of put a bow on
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: this for the week and turn the page here to
• 2:49
  Speaker 3: Baltimore is there's like a macro and microway to look
• 2:53
  Speaker 3: at this game. And I think after the game, I
• 2:57
  Speaker 3: was trying to kind of live in the macro for
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: a second and realize that if you had told me
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: coming into the season they were going to play two
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: games against Buffalo, they were gonna split those two games,
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: and they were going to be super competitive in both games.
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: I would say that's great. You know that that's a
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: good step forward. I think that there's no doubt about it,
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: and I think the people of Bill's mafia are sort
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: of feeling this as well. There's no doubt about it.
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: The Patriots have closed the gap with the Bills, like
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: they can now go on the same field, stand toe
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: to toe with Buffalo and play them close and maybe
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: even beat them. And maybe they should have even beaten
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: them on Sunday, right, and been two and zero against
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: the Bills. So I think if you came into the
• 3:42
  Speaker 3: season with that and you were told that, you would
• 3:47
  Speaker 3: be really really optimistic and happy about where they at.
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: I think it's really good thing that this show is
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: perfect for this type of loss that we're going to
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: talk about all this different minutia that can tributed to
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: the loss, instead of just saying we just don't got
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: the personnel, we don't got the horses to hang with them, right,
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a Jimmy's and Joe's not nixes and nose.
• 4:09
  Speaker 3: This is about the margins. Like, this game was decided
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: by a bunch of little things that we'll certainly get to,
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: even to the point where you know, I was getting
• 4:20
  Speaker 3: mocked yesterday about bringing up the kickoff coverage, which was
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: a huge part of this game massive, Right, So like,
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: these are things that we're going to talk about today
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: that aren't just yeah, they're a lot better than they
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: than we are.
• 4:33
  Speaker 4: No.
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's that's the way you got to look
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: From the one thing I'll put back push back on
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit with that, and I agree with a
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: good chunk of what you said. There are some personnel things,
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: but it's about injuries. It's not about not having the players.
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: Injuries are the kind of things that didn't happen over
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: the course of year. We had talked a lot at
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the season about how depth was going
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: to be one of the biggest issues for this team. Yeah,
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: credit to the Patriots training staff. It really didn't come
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: up until. I mean, this has been a very healthy
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: team all year. But yeah, in the areas that we
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: are going to talk about, because I just I don't
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: want you to give that qualifier and then I come
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: back and say it later and it sounds contradictive. Yeah,
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: of the few areas we will talk about, well, you know,
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: better personnel here, better personnel there. I do think they
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: have the guys, they just weren't on the field, and
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: that that's the National Football League. Like guys get hurt.
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: That happens. And I know the Bills had guys hurt too,
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: and the Patriots not taking advantage of that was also
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: part of the problem in this game. But you know,
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: when you look at Okay, where were the Bills really
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: bettered in the Patriots some of that and you know,
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: credit to the Bills. They attacked areas where the Patriots
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: were banged up, and that's what a smart football team does.
• 5:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that's all fair. I think then
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: there's you know, this is more maybe part of the
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: second thing I was going to say, but you just said,
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: then there's the micro view of it. Yeah, analyzing this
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: specific game in a vacuum and then analyzing the twenty
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: twenty five New England Patriots. Not the program Mike Rabel's
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: trying to build in the career that Drake May is
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: trying to have, but just what this means on Sunday,
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: what it meant on Sunday, and what it means for
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: this season and the rest of this season. And I
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: think the disappointing part about it is, well, just come
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: out and say it. You blew a twenty one point lead, right,
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: So that's obviously in itself a disappointing part. But the
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: second part that I think is the most disheartening was
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: that this was the first time that Josh McDaniels and
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: Drake May didn't seem to have any answers, Like it
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: was the first time all season where they just couldn't offensively.
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: They couldn't put a drive together when they needed a drive,
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: And all year long, McDaniels has pressed all the right buttons.
• 6:45
  Speaker 3: Drake may has made all the plays, even going back
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: to Week five against Buffalo in Buffalo on that game
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: winning drive. So you just look at all these different
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: types of things that happened, and you're discouraged by the
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: fact that they blewed twenty one point lead seventeen at halftime.
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: You're discouraged by the fact that they for the first
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: time really all year, didn't have the answers to the
• 7:09
  Speaker 3: test offensively, and we can break down exactly what happened
• 7:12
  Speaker 3: there and then defensively. There was some things that were
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: going on under the hood that we talked about on
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: this show, not bragging, just saying we did, and that
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: were kind of going on under the hood during the
• 7:25
  Speaker 3: ten game winning streak and the Chickens kind of came
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: home to roost finally on some of these things. And
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the red zone defense, the run defense,
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: the lack of pressure with four you know, you have
• 7:38
  Speaker 3: to kind of blitz in disguise and you know, draw
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: it up to get pressure on the quarterback without Millon
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: Williams out there. So all these different things that contributed
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: on the micro level to this loss are discouraging, even
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: though I still think the arrow is pointed upward on
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: where they're going in the macro sense of it. But
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: let's get into some of the micro you know, we
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: start big and then we zoom in, you know, zooming
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: into it. I want to get to the good, bad
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: stuff that gets you beat. But did you just have
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: any opinions on it? Big picture, little picture?
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I mean big picture, Look, they're
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: right there. But I think it's maybe a reminder that
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: and we talked about a lot. Hey, this is a
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: young team, this is a new team. It's a bunch
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: of guys that haven't been together that long, even if
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: they have experience elsewhere, and those teams typically go through
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: growing pains, and we'd been surprised at the lack of
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: growing pains over the course of this season, which they
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: should have had more, and credit to them that they didn't.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: This game was kind of a frank reminder of, oh, yeah,
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: this is still a team that kind of needs to
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: learn what to do when they get in that situation. Now,
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: what you hope is, because I'm somebody who's been. You know,
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: I can't I criticize teams all the time for blowing
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: big leads. I can't come in here and say it's fine, right, yeah,
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: shouldn't blow up twenty point one point lead at home
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: to a division opponent with the division on the line,
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: like that is a bad loss. However you want to
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: spin it, you want to talk about, Okay, well, it
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: shows they're making progress and it shows they're better in
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: the long term. That can be true, but it's still
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: a bad loss. And now next time they're in this situation,
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: you know there's gonna be that question. The Patriots have
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: not been a good fourth quarter team for a few
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: weeks now. It just hasn't mattered because they've gotten off
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: to these big leads. Right Well, now, you know, against
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: a better opponent that came back to bite them. So
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be something they're gonna have to figure out.
• 9:31
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: They've done a great job this year when we come
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: in after a game and talk about, well, this is
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: a question, this is a question, this is a question.
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: They've done a good job of answering them and answering
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: them pretty quickly and answering them positively as well. So
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: we'll see if and when they get their redemption shot
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: at this one. But it's it's a tough loss, and
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: this was a game where you want, especially once you
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: got that big lead, keep the clock running shorten a
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: game established ball control they get. I don't want to
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: be too on them for getting away from the run
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: in the second half simply because they had to get
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: away from everything because they only ran eighteen plays. Yeah,
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: and that forty six to eighteen play disparity in the
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: second half is on all three phases. So to say, oh, well,
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: they lost control of the game because they didn't run
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: the football, I don't think that's incorrect. But I also
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: think that that's a monumental under cell of what happened.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: That wasn't like the one thing that led to all
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: of it. And you know, for the people want to
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: look at it and say, hey, they got up to
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: twenty one point lead on the Bills. That's good, that's encouraging,
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Like I don't. You can have some you know, you
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: can kind of look at that. You can look at
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: that game and say there's positives.
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: It's interesting.
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: When I was on with David Andrews on Monday, he
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: talked about the twenty eighteen season when they lost to
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and they lost to Miami at the end of
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: the year, and it's a different context because that team
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: was a veteran tea in their experience blah blahlah whatever.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: But people kind of pointed maybe not so much to
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: the Miami loss, but the Pittsburgh loss as hey, you know,
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: they needed to lose one, and it's good perspective and
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: it'll get them reset. And Andrew said, in the minute moment,
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: you're a player there, you're sitting there saying, no, we
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: don't want to whether we want to lose, we don't
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: need to lose.
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: That's bad.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: You're frustrated with the loss, he said. Then they won
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and you look back and like, okay,
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: like you know that that that kind of helps shift
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: the perspective.
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: Well, it certainly helped this team and when they lost
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: Right, so you you hope it's one of those uh,
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: you know, we could do the whole and again it's
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: it's not exactly apples to apples, but people love to
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: do the debate. If the seven team had lost once
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: during the regular season would have helped them, and you know,
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: it's not exactly that again, but like it's just not
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: it had to be, but like it had to be
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: that game in that way, that's not just like a loss.
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: It did dawn on me multiple times because call it
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: O seven PTSD would call whatever you want. I never
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: want the Patriots to be on some like ten plus
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: game winning streak going into the playoffs. Ever, again, I
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: am completely done with that. Like I've seen that, I've
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: been there, you know, I know in two that one
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: they rattled off like ten straight eight eleven straight won
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. They've had years like that in the
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: Brady years where they where they just were a wagon
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: and they just won all the way through the playoffs.
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: But in that sense, I do think that it could
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: be a good thing to have one hiccup. Now, you
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: mentioned the second half offense, and I will be the
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: first to admit I downplayed the lack of second half
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: offense because of the reason you said, they really haven't
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: needed it. They haven't played a team that's been good
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: enough to push them in the second half of games
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: where it was necessary to empty the clip offensively. So
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not going into these games thinking, oh, would have
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: been nice for Josh McDaniels to script together a drive
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: against the Giants or the Jets, Like why would you
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: use those plays against the Giants and the Jets? Like
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: if you have these plays that could maybe get you
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: in rhythm or out of a rut or whatever the
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: case may be. So I downplayed it, But now I
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: think that we have to call this a trend, like
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: this is a thing, and I would say, you know,
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: before I rattle off a few numbers. It's also they
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: had a sixty five yard touchdown run in the second
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: half of this game. They had a huge touchdown run
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: in the Tampa Bay game in the second half, and
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: then outside of that, they haven't really sustained any drives,
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: Like they've had one play sixty five yard touchdown type drives,
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: but they haven't really had a whole lot of sustained
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: offensive success going into the third and fourth quarters of games. Now,
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: they used to be like around the Titans Browns that
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: area of the season. They were a great third quarter team.
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: They were at blowing doors in the third quarter. But
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: really since that Atlanta game where they lost a big
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: lead again and had to hold on at the end
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: against the Falcons. Since that Atlanta game, they have not
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: been a good second half team, and they are now
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: the best first half offense in football. They are number
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: one points their number one in EPA in the first
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: half of games, and the second half of games they're
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: twenty second in scoring offense. So there's clearly a trend here,
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: there's clearly numbers that back up. This is no longer anecdotal,
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: and I don't think you can no longer use the
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: excuse of, well, you know, you're up big against the Jets,
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: what do you you know, what difference does it make?
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: So the second half offense is a real issue and
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: something that they need to address now. I don't know
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: if he would talk about this in the press conference,
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: but I think one thing that's interesting to me is
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: that my understanding with Josh McDaniels has always been that
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: he's not a big script guy. Like he's not one
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: of those coordinators that comes into a game and scripts
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: the first fifteen to twenty plays, which is a lot
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: of the time. What you see with offenses that sput
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: her out is that the coordinator just has a great
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: play sheet for the first like fifteen to twenty plays,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: you know, two or three drives, and then once they
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: get out of the script, defense adjusts and they don't
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: really have anything else. McDaniel's in the past has not
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: been somebody that calls games that way. Usually in the
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: past he would call the first couple of drives was
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: actually more about gathering information of like, if we put
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: this personnel on the field, you know, how are they
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: gonna match our base Like how are they going to
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: match twelve or twenty one personnel? Are they going to
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: match that with nickel or are they going to match
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: that with base defense? If we run this formation, you know,
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: how are they going what are they going to check
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: to to cover this bunch or what are they going
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: to check to to cover this motion? And then what
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: we you can do with that is that you use
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: that as information for later in the game whenever, you know,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: when the stakes are higher. So that's how he's done
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: it in the past. But it does feel like based
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: off of the data that they are coming out like
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: gangbusters in the first half with the really good script,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: and then right around halftime they fizzle out and that's it.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's changed. I don't know
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: if having a young quarterback has changed that or whatever
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: the case may be, but that's one theory, and I
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: do want to talk about some of the good things.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: But what are you seeing in the second half of
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: these games, because it is kind of bizarre that they
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: are literally the best offense in football for two quarters
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: and then they can't put together a first down in
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: the in the fourth quarter of games.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it feels like there's a ramp down
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I think some of it they're playing
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: the clock, which I'm not inherently against what we've talked
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: about their issues in the run game. Yeah, and so
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to play the clock and you're struggling
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to run the ball, it'll slow you down a little bit. So,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's been part of it. It's
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: been a little different every game, but you know, struggling
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: to run the ball and then just trying to manage
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: the clock as much as they are, you know, I
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: think they're okay with with the They're just trying to
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: keep the clock running, yea more so than push the ball,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and they're just trying to get to the finish, which
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: inherently I don't hate, but you got to be able
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to run the ball to do.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: That, all right, let's get into the good and the
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: bad and the stuff that gets to be There is
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of good from this game that I want
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: to talk about. Yeah, the first half, well if it's
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: in the first half for the most part, but I
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: thought that there was some really good stuff in the
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: first half of this game, specifically in the run game.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Obviously offensively, to me, this was probably the best game
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: the offensive line's played all year, and the run blocking
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: in particular was really really good. Eighty nine yards before
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: contact in this game is a season high. So the
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: running backs now on his cut back, I guess technically,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you know, Travon Henderson probably wasn't touched, but you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: eighty nine yards before contact is a good number. That's
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: a workable number. You know, they had almost a sixty
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: percent rushing success rate thirty two percent pressure rate for
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the game. But the first half run game, you know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: just in general, one hundred and forty two rushing yards
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: on nineteen carries. That's seven and a half yards of carry,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: three touchdowns, all on the ground. This was a really
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: really good half for the offensive line, a really really
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: good half for the run game. Finally, this has been
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: a run game that has really struggled. Now the Bills
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: run defense has really struggled, But the Patriots played the
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Giants a few weeks ago with a historically bad run
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: defense and didn't really run the ball particularly well against
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: the Giants. Same thing with the Bengals. So this has
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: been a weakness on weakness thing for like a month now,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: where they faced week run defenses with a week rush offense.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: This was the first time that they exposed a week
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: run defense and hopefully that is a sign of things
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: to come, because December football January football, like it would
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: be a nice thing to have if they could run
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: the ball here a little bit.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what made it so exciting. Not only
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: were they beating the Bills, they were you know, doing
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: so in ways where they hadn't been able to succeed
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in recent weeks, so it felt even more encouraging. Yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I thought the blocking in particular, they gave the backs
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: room and a lot of people are going to talk
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: about the game Travan Anderson had, and he had a
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: great game. Modern Stevenson was really good too, agreed, in
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the first half, and obviously they kind of went away
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: from him as they went away for the run game again.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: They only had eighteen plays in the second half. But
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I thought you saw a great example of where Trayvon
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Henderson was great was those big plays outside of those
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: two carries, and I don't want to erase them. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: mean they're massive plays in the game. Outside of those
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: two carries. I think he averaged like three yards of carry, yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: where Stevenson averaged what was it, like five something yards
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: of carry but didn't ever run longer than thirteen yards.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So we've talked about their need for that intermediate run game,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: just the kind of sustaining Not every run is going
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: to be the home run. So when you're not hitting
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: those or you're still managing to get four or five
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: six yards on the ground, that's frankly what the Bills
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: did in the second half that gave the Patriots so
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: much trouble. And Ramandre Stevenson still looks like the better
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: back in that regard. So I said going in, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to see more of a healthy split of the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: two backs. I thought it'd set up well in the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: first half, and then obviously they weren't able to keep
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it going in the second half.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: This was the vision, you know, this was the vision
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: of Vermandre kind of being the singles hitter, grind out
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the tough yards, run between the tackles. Trevon Henderson is
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: your home run hitter. This was what they envisioned when
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: they drafted him. This is a you know, I thought
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: also probably one of their best plans, like in terms
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: of game planning in the run game as well. The
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: tackle power plays with Morgan Moses pulling instead of Mike
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: on Wnhu pulling really worked. I think that's something that
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: they might have found works a little bit better. You know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Moses just a little bit more nimble, a little bit
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: more athletic in space than Mike on WNU. Who's better
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: in a phone booth, you know, So keep Mike on
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: when who you know, base blocking on the line of scrimmage,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: let him turn guys out. Let Moses be the one
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: that polls. That really seemed to work out a lot
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: they I know, everybody hates the draws, but they did
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: get some draws going in this game too, some inside
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: draws that were successful. You know. Obviously, the toss plays
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: you know, ended up working, you know, kind of the
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: damn kind of broke on those as well. But the
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: power plays, you know, pulling the guards or pulling Morgan Moses.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: You know, Jared Wilson pulls out in front of Trayvon
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Henderson on his first long touchdown run. That thing could
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: not have been blocked better. That was a that is
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: teach tape of how to block one back power. I mean,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: that was just perfect execution. Egos untouched to the house
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: for fifty plus yards. That was all on the blocking.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I thought Garrett Bradberry was outstanding in this game, had
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: multiple standout run blocks. Watching this game back so really
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: encouraging stuff. And then of course, you know we have
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: to talk about the Drake runs and you know, getting
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: that going in the red zone was something that I
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: think we all sort of felt like was in their
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: back pocket and something that they could pull out in
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: a big game. They decided to pull it out this week,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and I obviously, you know, two runs, two touchdowns couldn't
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: go much better than it did. And I really liked
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: the way that they had a couple of different wrinkles
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: and a couple of different designs on them as well.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: You know, the first ones like a peer zone read
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: and the second one was a quarterback draw. I thought
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that that second one probably was an RP where he's
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: kind of reading the linebacker. Is he going to drop
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: out into coverage or is he going to join the rush.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: If he joins the rush, you throw it. If he
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: drops out, you run it. But both of them worked.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: The second one worked really well. The first one they
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: got some good blocks on the perimeter there by Booty
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: and Hunter Henry to help him get in. But that
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that was exactly what the doctor ordered. It seemed like
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: in the red zone. And now you put that on
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: film and now teams have to prepare for his legs
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: down there, and you can have different things that branch
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: off of those two kind of core plays of your
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: run game down there in the red zone. So that
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: was extremely encouraging that they finally got some red zone
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: success with the Drake runs.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people talked about it going into
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the bay, right, what's one of the wrinkles you want
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to see fix the red zone and maybe get Drake's
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: legs involved, And they did it, even that second run.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I know this has been said, but in case anybody
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: missed it, like you see the linemen start to get
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: up to the next level, so it looked like he scrambled,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: but that's a designed Yeah, like that's a delayed quarterback run.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: If he throws, that be a legal man downfield. So
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: they put that wrinkle in, and you're right, even if
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: they don't go back to it a ton, it's now
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: something teams are gonna have to think about and be
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: prepared for.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was well designed. It was
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: well done by Drake. Now, I didn't think that Drake
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: May did a whole lot of heavy lifting in the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: first half of this game. But he was still nine
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to eleven with one hundred and eight yards passing, So
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: it wasn't It was a pretty good statistical half for
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Drake May in the first half at least, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent tile epa per drop back. I mean,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: he was he was dealing. He was dealing in the
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: offense was humming in the first half. Now, like I said,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a ton of heavy lifting. I you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the runs were more the highlights. You know, the seventeen
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: yard scramble in particular was just a great run by him.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: But we're gonna probably say some not so flattering things
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: about Drake May here in a few minutes. And the
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: first half I thought was was really good from him,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: and he was doing his thing. He was doing the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: MVP thing. You know, you're running, you're you're throwing, you're
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: running in touchdown. That that was the type of half
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: that he, you know, has. It makes you think that
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: this guy can beat Josh Allen right toe. So that
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: was the offense. Defensively, I tried to come up with
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: some good things to put for the defense. I had
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: a tougher time, frankly than the offense. I did not
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: think the defense played particularly well at in this game
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: from start to finish. The opening drive is Buffalo has
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: two wide open receivers that they stub their own toe
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Like Brandon comes is wide open and he bobbles the
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: ball and falls out of bounds. Dalton Kincaid's wide open
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: on third down and Josh Allen airmails it. Like So
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: was that good defense or was that bad offense? They
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: did have some good rushes in the first half. I thought,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: you know, pass rushes. They had one nice blitz on
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: third down. I think it was the second drive of
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the game for Buffalo.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, was that the one they sent Marcus Jones?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where they got some free runners and they really
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: it was a good blitz. Good call, and then Harold
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Landry had sack. Was a nice rush by him and
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Barmore on the stunt over the right hand side there.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: So I put first half pass rush. I thought that
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: it was solid.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Better.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Now do you maybe you like to see them hold
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: that blitz in their back pocket for the fourth quarter? Like,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I guess you could make that argument, but I'm not
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: going to be two nimpicky. There were a couple of
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: good rushes in there. I thought in the first half
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that that got them off the field in some big spots.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I have a problem with them using it
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: there because you want to you want to get ahead,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and they this is what's crazy. I mean about this
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: whole game. We can talk, you know, we'll talk more
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: about this show was on a lot of what the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Bills did, a lot of what happened in that game,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and Mike Rabel kind of said this after the game.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: There were no surprises. The Bills did not. There were
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a couple of small wrinkles here and there. But Mike
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Vrabel talked during the week about, hey, we got to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: play sixteen minutes as a team that knows how to
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: come back. They're not out of any game despite deaf sit.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: We'll get to the kick return. Jeremy Springer talked about
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the kick returning unit things like that, like they knew
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: they had to get the momentum as quickly as possible.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So I don't mind using that play early because, yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you get up twenty one nothing, you should win the game, right,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And that's probably the thought process is let's not keep
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it in our back pocket for when the Bills have
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: all this momentum and are steaming downhill, let's prevent them
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: from getting there. And they did that, so in that
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: sense it's encouraging. They just needed more just that one play.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: So some major breaking news in the AFC East.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: That I was gonna read this. I didn't usually get
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: annoyed when I pop in with breaking different things.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: This is pretty major. Do you want to read or
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: do you want me to read it?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I will now. I don't know if we're thinking the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: The Dolphins are are benching to.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: A oh no, all right, Wow, I had a different thing.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: They are benching to. The Dolphins made another move to, well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: they benched to it. Okay, they also cut Matthew Judon.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, benching to is a bigger deal than that. Well,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Matthew Judon's washed. Sorry no, I love Matthew Judon from
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: what he did for the Patriots for a couple of
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: years there, but that's that's not a no anyways. Has
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: he been like a good secial teams player for maybe
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: you can tell me that. I don't know. So Tua's cut, benched,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: not cut, Sorry, yeah, benched. Queen Yours is going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: start the rest of the way. So there's a short
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: term implication of this, which is the Patriots play the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Dolphins in Week eighteen and probably are gonna need to
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: win that game to win the AFCs, so they'll they'll
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: be up against Queen Yours it sounds like, but this
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: is a massive, massive move for the Dolphins because I
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: don't know how you come back from this with Tua,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Like do you go back to Tua for twenty twenty six?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's hard to do. He's not hurt. You're
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: benching him because of performance, So I think that that's
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: hard to do. Now they might have a new head
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: coach as well. But so this could be the end
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: of the two eight era in Miami, is what I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: trying to So I.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Talked about this yesterday on felgrin MAZ, do you let
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel pick a new quarterback? Because if you do that,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and I know there's been this whole run of first
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: round picks who or first overall picks, who's coaches got
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: fired whatever, But like, you don't want to be that
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: team right now.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So and this isn't really a class to be.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And this is not a class. No, so if but
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: if if you're if you're going with a new quarterback,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to me, that means in part that you're committing to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel for two more years.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: You also want a victory lap on Mike McDaniel.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: He should have been fired a long time ago. I mean,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I think my my stance is pretty clear on that.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Is a new GM going to want new GM is
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: not going to want to inherit a quarterback, especially not
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: a quarterback like Toua with this contract, who plays this way.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Is he gonna want to inherit that coach? So that's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: what it comes down to me. I would move on
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: from both. I don't think that's surprising anybody, but I.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Think that's where we're headed. But you also, it's bold
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: as an organization to allow Mike McDaniel to make this decision,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: because if you're too, like this could burn a bridge
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: with two that there's no coming back from if you
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: want to have to as a part of your future
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: at all. And I know they don't know who's gonna
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: be running a team, but you understand what I'm getting at,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Like you if you know Mike McDaniel's a lamb duck
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: head coach and he's gonna get fired at the end
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: of the year, Like, do you let that coach bench
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: your franchise quarterback? Like that's that's a big move to
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: allow guy that's going to be fired in three weeks.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So unless you know, are you moving on from both
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: of them?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, But I just it's an interesting move
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: obviously in the short term that Miami game. Look, the
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Dolphins have played spoiler before. We all remember twenty nineteen.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't like the upstart Dolphins with Brian Flores
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: trying to prove the owner wrong.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Though.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: This is a little different.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is sky is following the franchise. Fifty six
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: million dollars quarterback is benched and now they're going to
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: have to come up here in week eighteen. It's probably
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: gonna be freezing and play a game against the Patriots
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: who are probably gonna need it to win the division.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: So some things breaking the Patriots way there in Miami. Uh,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: let's get back to real quick.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Where yours wasn't bo Nix your comp for him, like
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: a year ago, a year and a half ago.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Oh No, I don't think he's as talented as both. Okay, no,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I think he's got.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: A well, I think I might have been a lesser
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Bonnix was your comp.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's got a great arm. So
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big Queen Ears guy. I think that
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: once you saw him a little bit in the college
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: football playoff and and the struggles that he had pushing
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: the ball down the field. Uh, in terms of arm strength,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you know, he's he's maybe a little bit more talented
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: than like a mac Jones, but it's not much that
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: arm isn't isn't great. But we'll see, Uh, we'll see
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: with Quen yours that that's a that's an interesting move.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I think that. I do think.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I will say I do think it's less damning that
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: they make it now when they're eliminated from the playoffs,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: because this could also be and whether this is true
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: or not, you know, you sell it to too is
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: well we're out. You know, I think he's been playing
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: through something, right, he's banged up. I mean, he was awful,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I know, but you can you can sell this as
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Really like even though they've won some games, like he's been.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Bad, right, And no I'm not.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: There is also some stuff and I don't necessarily care
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: about this at all, but you know, I don't know
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: how much it rubbed the teammates a great way. And
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not down there.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But when he said the thing about the meetings or whatever.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: And he's like smiling and like having a great time
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: as they're getting blown out by the Steelers, I just
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: think that it was over. I think the whole thing.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I think so too. But I do think it's if
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: they were still in playoff contention and they did this,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: it's a lot more damning and and it's still damning,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: but like, you know, okay, like like the commanders are
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: doing Jadan Daniels, Hey, we're gonna sit you down. We're
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: out of playoffs. We don't want to get hurt. Sure,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: YadA YadA, YadA, like and I don't think that's what
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: this is. I think this is a benching. But they
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: can at least kind of sell it like that. Where
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: is if you bention when you're still alive for the playoffs,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: there's no right, there's no two ways around what that is.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Fair point. I just think that it's an interesting thing
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: to do with Mike McDaniel on such thin ice that
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: you're allowing a coach that's job security is not great
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to bench a guy that you owe fifty six millions.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: You already know that what's happening to that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Coach, But if you're going to fire him, allowing him
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: to make a decision like that is bold.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Well, unless you know you're moving on from both.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Right, So maybe, but that's the only way that this
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: is kind of makes.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Sense or or it's yeah, like if they're so you're saying, like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: what if they want to stick it out with two
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: of them move on for McDaniels, correct, Well, then it
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: becomes well, no, he benched you, so he fired him,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: and now we'll get you a new coach that'll fix it.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a mess.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: It's a mess.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: It's a mess situation. Let's get back to the Patriots.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: We can talk a little bit more about the Dolphins
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: A mess, and I'll come on, we can talk a
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: little I thought you were going to go into the
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: battle it's but but it's not. It wasn't a mess.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: It was a little extreme, a little extreme.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It's a extreme.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: So I put some things in the bads that you
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: maybe you might think are stuff that gets you beat.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: But I thought, for the most part this was just bad,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: not stuff that gets you beat. Let's start on. Let's
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: start with the offense. I just thought, for the first
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: time really all year, in the second half of this game,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I thought separation and just like receivers, seeing coverage and
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: understanding things. And I heard you talking a little bit
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: about Digs yesterday with Badard, and I agree with his
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: analysis that it seemed like everybody was confused about what
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: the Bills were doing in the second half, not just
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Drake May. And that was a little bit weird to me,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: because like, you have Digs, you have Hunter Henry, you
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: have Mac Collock. These are veteran guys. Yeah, you know,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: these are veteran receivers. It just didn't seem like they
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: really It's like they went and it came out in
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: the second half, and they kind of like completely lost
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: a feel for the game, like they just didn't really
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: know what was going on from like reading out coverages,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: seeing the rotations, all that kind of stuff, and just
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: going back to the first half. I come back to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: that play in the two minute drill right before halftime
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: where the Bills rotting to cover three, Hunter Henry just
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: sits right down in the middle of the zones and
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: they hit like an eighteen yard play. And then in
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: the second half, they couldn't do that at all, you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: they couldn't find the soft spots, they couldn't separate versus
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: man to man coverage. I think we've known for a
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: while now that this receiving gore is average, maybe you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: like middling in the NFL, being elevated by a good
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: scheme and a great quarterback. But this was the first
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: time all year where that really came to roost, where
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: it just didn't feel like the guys were really getting
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: open for Drake May on tape and we'll talk about
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Drake May. Don't get me wrong. It wasn't just all
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: on the receivers, but it was a little bit odd,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: like I don't I want to call it concerning because
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: it hasn't happened yet until this point. It was more
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: just strange that they were all seem so kind of
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: flummixed by what the Bills were doing and all they
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: you know, they were doing a good job of disguising
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: it and dressing it up and spitting post snap and
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: all that good stuff. But they were just playing cover two.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like it was like some exotic coverage that
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: they've never seen before. Uh. But I did think that
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: there was a lot uh in the second half of
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: covered snaps, like just where guys were just stuck to
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: coverage and couldn't get it separation. And even when there
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: were a few opportunities, it wasn't like guys were open
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: like it we're talking about, you know, the third down
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: throw to Hunter Henry that I'm sure Drake may would
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: want to have back. He's open, but it's not like
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: it's you know, wide open like we've seen some times
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: The whole thing goes back to I hate to keep
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: going back to this, but it's a story the game
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: for me. You run eighteen plays in the second half,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: they never gotten a rhythm, and we've seen what this
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: offense can do when they get in Rythm. We saw
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: it in the first half. Yeah, and that impacts everybody
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: so and that impacts are out running. I think that
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: impacts the connection between the quarterback and the receivers, all
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of it. And I do wonder too if some of
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: it was you know, they've got no more man, which
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the Patriots weren't expecting, and that kind of threw some
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: things off as well.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the last play of the game for
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: the Patriots, that fourth downplay that gave me some serious
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: like flashbacks to what this offense has looked like the
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: last few years, like from like twenty two to twenty four,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: where it wasn't good, where you just have guys bottled up,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: terrible spacing, like nobody open and it just looks like
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: a kind of a jumbled mess and you're just like,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: what is going on here? And they played manton man coverage.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: They dropped the ends out into like little like robber zones.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: It was, but it wasn't like something that Digs and
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry have never seen before that they should have
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: been totally stuck like glue to the coverage. It was.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: It was odd. Now, I didn't put it in the
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: stuff that gets you beat because it hasn't happened routinely yet,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I want to give them a couple of
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: some grace here and say, all right, if this happens again,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: let's say on Sunday night against the Ravens, then maybe
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: we have more of a bigger picture concern here. Right now,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: it's just bad. It's not stuff that gets you beat.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: To me, the other category are things in this category
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: the run defense. This is just this is starting to
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: get under my skin a little bit out, yeah, because
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: the one thing that I think is a non negotiable
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: for Mike Rabel and this football team. You cannot let
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: the you know, posing run run running back right up
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: the gut, like you can't let them just run it
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: right down your throat like that. That is something that
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: needs to be unacceptable as a defense, right like especially
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: you know the A gaps, Like you can't just run
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: like James Cook run right through the A gap every
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: single time untouched. That that was concerning this run defense.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Since Milton Williams has gone out, has gone in the tank.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: We've all put the stats up at this point, but
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: they're bottom five in the league and EPA and rushing
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: success rates without Milton Williams, after being top ten run
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: defense from pretty much the entire first nine weeks ten
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: weeks of the season. I think this kind of started
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: in Tampa. You know, Tampa had some cracks there in
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: the run defense with Milton Williams out there, and then
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Milton Williams gets hurt against the Jets and then it's
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: really gone into the Crappers since then. So the couple
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: of different things about the run defense. You know, in
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: this game, James Cook eighty two for fifteen attempts on
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: inside runs, just right down your throat, eighty two rushing
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: yards fifteen attempts. That can't happen. You know, at some
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: point you have to put your big boys in the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: A gaps and say run outside like you got you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: like you got to run it someplace else because you're
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: not coming in here now. Roberts Blaine should have been
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: right there, right like that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: That right, that's an underrated loss too. Like obviously Milton
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Williams a big part of it. I think, don't leave
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: out them not having Roberts Blaine.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: But the fits and we'll get to this and the
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: stuff that gets you beat. So I'll put that on
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: the back burner. But just in general, this run defense
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: post Milton Williams injury has kind of fallen apart a
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: little bit here, a little bit.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I do think getting him back
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: will help. Now they're not going to have him back
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: for this game against the Ravens, who run the ball
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: really well. So that's you know, and you hope they
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: have Roberts Blaine back. We'll see if he's out of
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: practice today, first practice of the week. But are there
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: some you know, people keep saying, is it a schematic thing?
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Is it just as simple as personnel. I do think
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: there's you know, some schematic tweaks, but it's I don't
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: think it's a coincidence that the run defense fell off
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: when they lost Milton Williams and then and not only that,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: like they've they haven't had Kiros Tonga for parts of
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: this stretch. They haven't had Roberts Blaine for parts of
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the stretch. They have Jelani to fe for parts of
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the stresses. Player, this is.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: The spine of your defense.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Listen, and this is where I, as I said kind
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of when we open the show, I don't think that
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: there's no personnel concerns from this game. But it's not
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: like past years. It was just like, well the roster sucks. Yeah,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: they we knew it going into the season. Like they
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: did a great job of overhauling the top twenty two,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: you know, the starters on both sides of the ball.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: They did a great job upgrading those spots. The depth
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: still isn't quite where it needed to be. And you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Tonga looked like maybe an answer there his first game
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: back from an injury. I didn't think he had one
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of his better games. I don't know what was going
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: on with him. I just I figure he's probably still hurt.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I don't because I didn't look at it like he
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: was physically getting moved. He kept on trying to like
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: backdoor their zone runs, so like they were you know
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: when you run zone, like the brokers are going to
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: reach on the line of scrimmage, flowing you know, horizontally
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage. And he just kept on
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: like trying to swim and shoot gaps into the backfield
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: on the back door, you know, the backside A or
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: the backside B gap, and like nobody was replacing him
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: in the gap, right, So he was swimming and he
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: was jumping in, trying to jump into the backfield, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: there was no fill from the second level or something
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: or anywhere really to try to replace him, And so
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: all James Cook was doing was aiming that run outside
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: and then just cutting it back right through the middle
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: because Tongo was just vacating the middle of the field.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Like I didn't feel like it was like that Tongo
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: was getting like manhandled in there. I felt like there
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: was like what we're like, what are we fitting here?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Like what's what's the call and what's what's the plan
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: of how we're trying to fit the run here? And
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I'll admit, like you can't it's really hard to watch
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: film and without knowing what the call is defensively to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: tell you like what exactly the fit was like and
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: what who's where everybody was supposed to go? But all
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I can tell you is that there was nobody in
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the a gap right right and that is obviously not
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: how you draw it up. So they were like loading
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: the front a little bit to the play side of
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: the form and trying they were trying to force the cutbacks,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: like they wanted him to cut back, but there was
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: just nobody there for him. You know when he did
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: cut back, there just wasn't anybody there, So it was
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: more and we'll get to this, like I said, but
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: this was more to me. This was more like you know,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: details like this was like not necessarily that I thought
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: that they were just getting blown off the ball. It
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: just felt like they were kind of beating themselves a
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: lot in the run game. So I want to put
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: that on the back burner because we'll get to it.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: The last thing I had on the back bry just
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to finish that thought like that that the run game.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: To me, I do think the issues are more personnel
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: than schematic. Again, it's not to say that they're in
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: some things they can do better, like you just highlighted,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: but yeah, Spallain or mill Williams and Robert explaining like
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: don't forget that part of it too. Getting those guys
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: back should be a big help. It's just you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: they're not getting mill Williams back for this game. He's
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: still not eligible to come off. I are for at
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: least another week and then we'll see about Splain.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Right, And I think that two things can be true
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: at the same time, Like they're not going to be
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: a dominant run defense. Without all their guys health. But
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: it doesn't got to be it doesn't have to be
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: bottom of the league, right either.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it shouldn't be this bad, but it's I think
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: there is an element, there's like a reverse ewing theory
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: element here where like, it doesn't need to be this bad,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: but because mill Williams was such an important player, as
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: they try to reinvent it, because they have to kind
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: of reinvent it without them, you go through growing pains
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of trial and error and experimenting with different things. You know.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I think if they had time, eventually they would water
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: would find its level and they'd figure it out. But
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: at that point, you'd rather just get in the Lewis
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: back sooner at that point than go through all that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, last thing in the bads and then we got
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: to get to the stuff they get to be, which
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: is probably gonna be a few minutes of breakdown here.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: But just the four man pass rush, yeah, they just
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: they don't get home with four against good offensive lines
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: like Buffalo twenty one percent pressure rate on their four
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: man rushes, which you know they use about almost sixty
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: percent of the time as most teams do, so they
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: need a lot more from Chase On and Landry. Then
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: they got in this game, you know, they know a
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: lot more. Now, was there an element of you know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: rush lane integrity and not getting past Josh Allen and
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: having to kind of contain him in the pocket from
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: the edges. I think that's absolutely fair to say that
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: there was some element of that. But at the end
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: of the day, you can't just let him sit there
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and throw the ball right. You have to get some
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: pressure on him, and you have to be able to
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: get some pressure without blitzing too on occasion, and they
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: just didn't have it in this game. You know, Landry
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: had the sack in the first half, that was his
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: only pressure in the entire game, and then Chason had
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: one hurry in this game and that was it. They
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: had two pressures combined out of their starting edge guys. Like,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: that's just not going to cut it. And with Christian
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Barmore in the inside getting double teams and triple teams
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: all the time, like, there's where's it going to come from?
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just not going to come from anywhere
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: at that point. So they just need more from both
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: those guys. And I don't know if that means with
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Landry into particular. I don't know if that means rotating
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: him a little bit more with Ponder Jenning is to
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: try to keep them fresh. I don't know what the
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: response or the answer is there, but they just need
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: more four man pass rush. They can't blitz all the time,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: so you have to find a way to get some
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: pressure with four.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: It's funny I before the game, I was kind of
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: getting started. We we've obviously it's been great. We haven't
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: really done draft talk this year because we haven't had to,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: but I'm still gonna have up tomorrow my like players
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to watch in the college football playoff thing for Patriots fans. Yeah,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: And I put the list together a Thursday Friday last
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: week whenever it was and I was like, there's a
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: lot of edge rushers on here. My two edge rusher
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: had out. I think it's on the n I saw
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: that game and I put I added another edge rusher
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: to the list. I was between an edge rusher and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: wide receiver from one team, and I was like, Nope,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: we're gonna add more edge rushers to this. Like it's
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: a great edge class. We're gonna talk. There's a lot
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: of names we're gonna get familiar with people already probably
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: familiar with some cash as Hall, Dave Bailey, Romelo Height. Like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get ready for a lot of edge rusher.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Talk to Spring by the way, you'll have your time
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to talk about your edge. Well, I'm gonna add this
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: real quick. I texted you this morning, but I'm just
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: gonna put it out there now. The top edge guy
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: in the class who the Patriots probably have a shot
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: at Rumbain. Yeah, there are questions about his arm length,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: about his arm light. Here we go, so we get
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: to do that whole thing. Well, they're not going to
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: be picking that well unless.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Is falls because of his arms, and then we do
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: have to be a pretty big fall. But yeah, they
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: to me, and I know we're going to probably talk
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit about receivers and playmakers on offense, which
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: is absolutely in neat as well. I think they could
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: still use that top guys too, But I think edge
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: rusher right now is the number one night.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: And oddly enough, because again, as I was going through this,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, which guy do I take from
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: each team? There's a lot of teams with a really
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: good receiver and a really good edge rusher. We're going
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to be talking about a total of like ten schools.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Spring, because all the players that that are fits are
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: on the same teams.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: All right, let's go over to the stuff togainst you
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: beat and you'll have your special teams minute here in
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: a second.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just glad it's in this category.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: So the first thing that I have here, let's stick
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: on the defense, because we were talking by the defense,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: and we'll get back to the offense. So in the
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Patriots meeting room, they have a sign that has the
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: team identity and these are basically just like non negotiables
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: for Mike Rable. Number one is effort in finish. Yeah right,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: That's that's like kind of his mantra. That's his thing.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: That's one of his sayings. Effort and finish is number one.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Do you remember against Tampa Bay Tony Romo said that
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the Patriots were DTF and everybody made a big deal
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: about it on the broadcast because of what the other
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: meeting of DTF is. Well, they have their own meeting
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: of DTF. And my guess is that this is either
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: just football lingo across the league that you hear a lot,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: or Mike Rabel said it to Tony Romo in a
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: production meeting, But the Patriots version of DTF is details, technique, fundamentals, right,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: those three things. And I just thought defensively in this
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: game they were not DTF at all. Like their pass
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: rush was kind of a jumbled mess. Their run fits
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: were kind of a jumbled mess. I thought coverage at
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: times they were busting coverages at different times in this game. Uh,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: The one the plays that stood out to me that
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: really bugged me the third and seven backed up they
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: have Buffalo backed up. It's third and seven from the
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Buffalo twelve. They I don't know what they were doing
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: up front. They like had guys running into each other upfront,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Like we talk about that a lot with like routes
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: spacing on offense. This was that equivalent but on defense
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: where they'd literally have dudes running into each other in
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: the pass rush and picking each other. And in the
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: back end, Uh, they someone didn't carry or someone didn't
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: pass off or something in zone and h Dalton Kincaid
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: is just wide open in the middle of the field.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: The coordination of the defense in this game was poor.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: They did not tackle. Well, they had ten miss tackles
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: in this game as well, But overall, I you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: we were talking just about this with the personnel versus
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: the scheme. If you play a good offense like Buffalo
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: and you're not sharp on the details and the techniques
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: and the fundamentals, you were going to give up thirty
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: five points. Like That's just the way that this goes
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: in this league. When you play a good quarterback, you
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: can't make mistakes like that. You just can't. And that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: exactly what Mike Rabel said on Monday. So this is
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: just one of those things where, yeah, you were shorthanded defensively,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: you don't have Splin, you don't have Milton Williams. But
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: if you were a DTF, I think that you don't
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: give up five straight touchdown drives and lose the game.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? No, I mean they got sloppy, and we
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: talked last week about how the Bills were sloppy, and
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you know, the Patriots, you know, you didn't count on
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: them playing a clean game. I don't think the Bills
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: played a perfectly clean game either, but the Patriots were
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the sloppier team.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, absolutely, So then the other things you know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: going to the offense. I do think that it's fair
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: to second guess the second half play calling, but not
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: necessarily just because they didn't run the ball enough. I
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: think that's part of it. But you know, they're getting
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: all these too high state safety structures from Buffalo. Eighty
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: six percent of the time, the Bill has played two
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: high safeties in the second half, and we all talk
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: about it when you know they're playing well. Drake May
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: is the best deep ball thrower in the NFL. So
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: the Bills said, you're not thrown deep. If you're gonna
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: beat us, it's gonna be by taking profits. It's gonna
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: be by driving the ball. You're gonna have to go
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: on ten twelve play drives. They kind of just said
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: enough is enough on the big plays. Now most of
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: the big players are on the ground in this game.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: But regardless, they said, we're not giving up, you know,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: one play sixty five yard touchdown drives anymore. We're gonna
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: make you march it in the fourth quarter. We're gonna
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: play two high safeties, we're gonna play man to man
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: underneath it, and you're gonna have to find ways to
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: beat us. And it was just disappointing that Josh McDaniels
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: did not have any sort of beater ready, right, Like,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: you have to there's got to be something that you
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: can do against two man to get somebody open, you know,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: and I know it's it's a difficult coverage because the
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: guys are sitting inside levery and this team and this
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: offense wants to throw the ball breaking into the middle
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: of the field. And that's exactly what Buffalo took away
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: in this game. They took away the deep ball, and
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: they took away the middle of the field, which is
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: where the Patriots live as an offense. So they're trying
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: to make you play left handed, and they deserve credit
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: for doing that. But at the same time, your offensive
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: coordinator needs to at some point like you have to
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: have something right. And I also would say we talked
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: about this going into the game, that this is what
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Buffalo was going to do. Now, it took them a
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: half to figure it out, but I knew going into
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the game they were going to play cover two. I
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: knew it because that's what they did in the first
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: half in Week five that gave the Patriots trouble. In
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Week five second half, they come out, they start blitzing
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: and doing all this ridiculous stuff, and Drake May tore
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: them apart. That's what the first half looked like this time,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: and the second half looked like the first half in
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Week five. So I do I hold Josh m McDaniels
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: accountable because he's really good at his job and he's
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: the veteran OC, and I think that they should have
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: been able to find a way to scheme some stuff
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: open in the passing game, even if it was just
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: to get Drake May into a rhythm and then maybe
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: he makes some plays. But once you're asking him, you know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to absolve him. We're gonna get the Drake.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: But once you ask him in the fourth quarter, you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: there's two thirty left and you have to drive the field.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Like he's already out of whack at that point, right,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: and so like at some point you have to get
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: him some easy completions. You had to get him a
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: rhythm and then maybe he could have pulled out that
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: two minute drive to win the football game. So I
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: think both of them kind of sharing it equally. You know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: he didn't play well. McDaniels didn't call it particularly well.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: And they lost.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: What's the opposite of complimentary, not like complimentary, like.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Like complimentary football, Yeah, I mean non complimentary.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I don't try I'm trying to think if there's an exact,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: incomparable or contrasting. Okay, so it was contrasting football because
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I mean there's some truth to it all you say,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: to everything you said. But again, it's also it's hard
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: to get into that rhythm and develop when you can't
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: stay on the field and when the defense can't get
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: you the ball back and this and that. So yeah,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit on everybody. I just when I
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: look at the play calling, get eighteen plays to work with. Yeah,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: there's only so much you can do in eighteen plays.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: It's just the reality of it, right, which.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Is why it's important to establish get a few.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: First downs, establish some Drake said that after the game
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: when he was asked what went wrong in the second half,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: So we couldn't get the first first down?
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So that's a big thing to me. I
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: think that that first first down is a big emphasis
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: for Josh McDaniels as well, in terms of drive starters
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: and things like that. That's always big with him, Like
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: we got to get the first first down in the
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: drive and get the drive moving, and they weren't able
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: to do that in this game. Then there's the whole
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: conversation about Drake May in the second half of this game.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: He was not good. I mean, there's really just no
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: other way to put it. You know, five minus plays
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: for me in this second half. I only had him
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: with one plus play. He had the turnover worthy play
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: on the spray to Henry that hit Jordan Poyer right
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: in the face. It should have been an interesting He
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: was not good. I didn't think that he was very
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: decisive or saw the field well. He wasn't, you know.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Vrabel said this on Monday and kind of back it up.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: He wasn't. His first reads were covered a lot in
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: the first half and the second half, excuse me, his
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: first reads and the progressions were covered a lot, and
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: he wasn't progressing quickly enough off the first read like
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: if it's covered, move on right like that was what
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Rabel's message kind of was, and he didn't do that
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: very well in this half of football. You know, the
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: throw to Hunter Henry on third down. I know a
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: lot of people are going to call it a drop.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a good ball. You know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: it's behind him and makes Hunter Henry make like a
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: twisting kind of catch attempt at it. If that's out
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: in front of Hunter Henry where it should be, it's
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: a first down, you know. So they just didn't play well.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: And I don't need to drag him for it. We
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: don't need to kill him for it. But if you're
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: being objective, it was not a good half of football
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: for him, and you know, you expect better and he
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: can definitely play better, you know, you see that. So
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: putting these two together of you know, the lack of
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: answers that they had schematically for what Buffalo is doing
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and Drake may struggling in this game, I just wonder,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: you know, if they see this again and whether we
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: can kind of get into whether it's a blueprint not
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: a blueprint whatever. You know, if they see this from Baltimore,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: if they see this in the playoffs, you know, what
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: do they kind of go to to have better answers
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: the second time around? I think will be important.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean some of it's just the accuracy, right,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: like the sprays came back, and you know, when you
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: don't have answers, you start getting sped up, and that's
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: where some of those those accuracy issues come from. But
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: they've seen it now, right for all to talk about, Okay,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: this is the blue Is this the blueprint for Drake
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: May And we've said a lot this year, Okay, that
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: might be the blueprint. And he comes out the next
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: week in shreds and so we'll see expect the Ravens
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: to do a lot of what the Bills did. But
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: you've seen it now, right, So now they can start
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: trying to put together some answers. They have a whole
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: week to start putting together some answers.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: It was very weird to see him struggle so much
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: with two high safeties because he's shredded two high safeties
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: all season long, and this game he just didn't see
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: it well, just wasn't seeing the field well, wasn't seeing
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: the rotations and stuff like that well. And then throw
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: it particularly well either. So not a great half of
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: the quarterback. All right, last thing here and then we
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: can stop being so doom and gloom about this. The
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: kickoff coverage, man, I mean fifty eight forty five and
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: then thirty eight plus the fifteen yard penalty makesed that
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: a fifty three yard net return as well change the game,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Ray Davis, and the kickoff return changed the entire game.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: You know, they get two big kickoff returns in a
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: row that sets up two short fields, two touchdown drives
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: for Buffalo to get back in the football game. This
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: was one of those times. And this is often the
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: case with special teams, kind of like offensive line. Usually
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: only talk about it if it's really good or really bad.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: This is one of the times we're talking about it
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: because it was really bad.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you go back to the big gear,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: you go back to Thursday and Jeremy Springer talked about
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: how they were going to be a threat. And after
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I think the third return and the offense, the Patriot's
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: still somewhat in control the game at this point. But
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: after the third return, I turned to Matt Dollf I said,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: this is exactly what happened when the Bills played the
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Buccaneers a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, was the Buccaneers
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: had control that game early on, but the Bills broke
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: a couple of not like highlight tape returns, But they're
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: getting right around midfield and now the offense has a
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: short field and they're able to start getting in a rhythm.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: And you know I've said this, some people said, well,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: you know, this first couple of kick returns, the Patriots
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: are still in control the game. But the Bills offense
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: started getting their legs under them. And then when they
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: had to drive longer down the field later on, they'd
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: already kind of been able to figure out some things
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: that work when they'd worked on those shorter fields. So
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: you just can't have it. Goes back to what we
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: talked about turning the trade ubline about the Patriots acquirming
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: and kick return. Now, I Thinkyle Wims been good in
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: that role, should have had a big return, got wiped
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: out by a penalty. I do want to add one
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: more that reminds me to the things that get you beat.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I knew.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I say, yeah, you can't have it. You just can't
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: have it. Can't be giving over their first five drives.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: So this is through the opening kickoff of the second half,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: the Bill's average starting field position was the Patriots forty
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: two yard line when you take out the one that
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: came off a punt, So the first four kickoffs for
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: the Patriots, the Bill's average starting field position was the
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: forty nine yard line. Yeah, you can't win that way.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: You can make a good offense, you cannot win only
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: giving a team half the field.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was a huge part of the game.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Vrabel really stressed it Sunday and Monday, saying we can't
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: leave out the field position that day. You know, we
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: were putting the defense in some tough spots, especially against
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: you know, the raigning MVP. Those are some tough spots
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: to be in. That's not to absolve the defense, but
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: all of this goes hand in hand. And you know,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: when we'd unpack this loss, this was all three phases
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: in the second half of this game that came apart.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: You know, like, this isn't just Drake May. I've seen
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of that that this loss is on Drake May.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's bullshit. Honestly, I think that that's frankly bs.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: And a big reason why is because of all the
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: things that we've just talked about about the other two
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: phases of the game, Like the defense gave of five
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: straight touchdown drives, the kickoff coverage was not good, Like
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: you can't just take those things out and say, well,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: you know, the quarterback should just save everybody all the time,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: like that's not fair to hit.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: It was again, it was everything. It was. It was offense, defense,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: special teams. It was a lotdown in all three phases.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: So you really have to put into all of it.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, just we got a break, but
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: the kickoff coverage just really quickly they got schemed up
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: in the kickoff coverage. Now I'm not a kickoff coverage savant.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know enough about it to tell you. I
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: don't know if they got schemed up because the Bills
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: saw something in the Patriots kickoff coverage and how they
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: cover kicks, or if the Bills just have these kind
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: of neat little wrinkles in their scheme and and the
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Patriots just weren't totally prepared for it. Either way, it's
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: not good. But if it's something that the Bill saw
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: on tape that they could expose with the Patriots, I'd
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: say that's probably worse because now you're gonna go up
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: against Baltimore and John Hart, a former special teams coordinator,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: He's going to see the same things on the film, right,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be able to design it up. So the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: first big kickoff return they had, they basically ran power.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: They had pulled a guy from the other side of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: the field in front, like as a lead blocker, and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: created a crease. The second one, they put an offensive
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: lineman at in the middle of the field, which is
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: not usually you don't see offensive linemen on the field
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: on kickoff return. So you see an offensive lineman there
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the field, you know, he just
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: opens a hole for Davis. A third one was kind
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: of more just like straight kickoff, like normal kickoff return.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: But it was really just all three times they kind
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: of got schemed up, and I think that was a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: little bit worrisome as well. So can't have it, Like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: you said, you can't special teams is just like offensive
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: line to me, you can't have wild swings either way. Right,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: You just want the special teams to not get you beat.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily need to win you the game, but
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: it can't get you beat either. In this game, it
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: was definitely part of the things that got you beat.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: All right, let's take a hang on. Okay, I want
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: to add one more thing though, go ahead.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: It's seven penalties, yes, five month third or fourth down
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: two on kickoffs.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not rolling my eyes because I disagree that it
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: wasn't a factor in this game because it was. I'm
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: rolling my eyes because those penalties were so borderline penalties.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: I think the more egregious was the non calls compared
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: to the calls.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: The call on Carlton Davis is bad.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: So here's the thing with Carlon Davis went to make
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I've seen that called before and and it's a TICKI
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: tak call. I would rather they not call it. I've
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: seen it called. The bigger issue and this goes back
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: to something I've talked about all year. There's poorly officiated
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: games and there's unfairly officiated games. Different things. So a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: a all unfairly officiated game are poorly officiated. A game
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: could be poorly officiated without being unfairly officiated. I said,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: because I know the Bills fans are all hot and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: bothered on this, I said Week five was a poorly
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: officiated game. It didn't impact the outcome, neither did it here.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: But there's a certain operational level I think it's fair
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to expect from officials in the National Football League. As
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis said, it should not take you ten seconds
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: to get the flag out right. It's like in baseball,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: when an umpire.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Does you know it when you see it, it's either
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: it's either a penalty or it's not a penalty. And
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: if you have to sit there and think about it,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: then it's probably not a penalty.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't right, if you have to reconsider it, don't
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: call it. That's just that should be the instruction point.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: It was not as delayed, but it was kind of
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: like in New Orleans.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Finished his celebration in New Orleans.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when they scored that touchdown and then they like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: had the extra point team on the field and they
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: called it. They called a penalty for a pass interference,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: like out of nowhere. Look, the reason why I didn't
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: have it is because I feel like it was a
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: bit a poorly officiated game. And so I have a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: tough time sitting here today and saying you got you know,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: you were sloppy and he had too many penalties called
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: on you, because I just didn't really think the game
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: was very well.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Efficient to the two penalties on the kickoff were there? Definitely,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the face mask on score yeah. The faalse start and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: hold were there, yep, And those are very costly penalties.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but the hold on The kickoff too by
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Mapu is tough because all he's got to do is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: let go, like right, Like all you gotta do is
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: as you know, so Kyle Williams reversus field, which is tough. Right.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: You don't know your back is to him, so you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: don't know that he's reversing field. But all you got
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: to do when you feel the guy trying to go
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: outside of you is just is just let go and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: then it's not holding.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: The two that I questioned the most were the Marcus
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Jones went, I don't know what the hell happened there
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: between the catch non catch and whether or not it
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: was a penalty like that. That thing was a mess. Yeah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: and the non call on the ball the hole Hollins
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: with Tray White, which happened to be similar plays, right,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: because you know, my thing with the officials like be consistent.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I had as much of an issue with the Hollands
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: one as I did with the Davis one. So the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Hollins ones, it's a it's a heave, it's an arm punt.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: So here's my issue with the Hollands one. You know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: people might look at that and say, well it wasn't catchable.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: They have not really cared this year. Really going back
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: to last year. It wasn't that it wasn't catchable, It
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: just what was the one to what was the Mark
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Jones one?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I couldn't explain. There was an arm punt, So this
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: was that wasn't an arm punk? Yeah it was, No,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: it wasn't. There was. There was a fourth down play
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: and like they.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Don't do the Josh Allen thing, that was as much
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: an arm point.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: No, not even close. Yes, what do you mean? They
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: took the safety out of the middle of the field
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: and it was the read of where he's supposed to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: go with the ball.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: It's fourth and three and he hums went down the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: field to a covered player.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I that was not an arm punt.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Those two you either call both of those or you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: call neither of those, and I'd be.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Throwing either a fifty plus yard bomb down the right side.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Well, it was a little more of an arm punt
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: than the other. But that was that was the catch.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Was not an arm that that was that was an effort.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Let's see what happens he from Josh Allen. That was.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Let's not act like that was some unbelievable other worldly play.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: It's not what that was.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I just said that that was
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: that was the play.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: It's fourth down. There's nothing here. I'm gonna throw this
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: up in hunting.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that was nothing there.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: There was nothing there, no here. Jones is right there.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to explain to you what happened. Okay, the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: safety's in the middle of the field. It was Jalen Hawkins.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: They run mesh right, the wheel comes out of the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: backfield from the running back. Jalen Hawkins takes the running
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: back out of the backfield, so it's basically cover zero. Okay,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: there's nobody in the part of the field, so he's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: one on one down the field with Shakiir and Marcus Jones.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: That's the only place there was to go with the ball.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's josh Allen. Yeah, couldn't run around scramble whatever
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: he threw to covered receiver down the field.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: I don't even think he threw to a cover receiver.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I think Marcus Jones did
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: a really good job of driving the catch point. But
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think he was like he was not like
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: wide open by any means. But Marcus Jones got beat
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage on the play.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Like I'm I don't know. Those two plays should have
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: been called the same way. To me, there are very
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: similar plays. They should have been called the same way.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I'd be fine if they threw a flag on neither. Personally,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: That's how I'd rather they do it. I think that
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: the Jones was sticky tack. It also definitely wasn't caught.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: But whatever. But again, the officiating didn't ultimately impact the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: outcome of the game. To me, you plow a twenty
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: one point lead, it's a lot more in officiating, but
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: between the conferences, the long conferences, and they couldn't figure
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: out the clock at the end of the first half,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: and they weren't all plays consistently, and they're throwing the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: flags late, like, it just was not John Hussey, John
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Hussey has.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Been a leaf twenty four years. It wasn't a good
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: It was officiating. It was not all right. Let's take
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: Whether you're in the game or betting on the game,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: you'll need a game plan. DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: betting partner of the New England Patriots, provides you with
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: everything you need to build your personal betting game plan
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: so you can get in on all the action while
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: practicing safe bets. Visit DraftKings dot com slash Responsible dash
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: Gaming to learn more about all the safe betting tools
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: DraftKings has to offer. Hope is here eight hundred and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: three two seven fifty to fifty or gambling Helplinema dot
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: org must be twenty one plus. Play it smart from
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: the start game. Sincema dot com physically president Massachusetts, see
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: DraftKings dot com slash Responsible dash Gaming for details and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: statespecific responsible gambling resources.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: Isn't it time to get exactly what you want? Welcome
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: to Red Hot Deal Days from Verizon, where you get
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: your pick of our best deals, like my Plan, where
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: you can pick the person you want and save on
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: everyone for limited time. Bring your own phones to a
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: Verizon store and you can get my plan for our
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: best price ever. Get exactly what you want on your
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: phone plan and only pay for what you need. Bring
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: your phone to your Verizons towards day and get my plan.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: These deals won't last. It's your Verizon.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: With FedEx one rate, you can ship to your student
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: for a simple, predictable flat rate. Send a box full
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 9: of home baked treats that say your father and I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 9: miss you, or send a box full of instant noodles
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 9: that says your father and I would like you to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: stop asking us for money. Either way, one rate fits all.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: FedEx one rate, two day shipping, one flat rate starting
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: at fourteen fifty. Visit FedEx dot com splash one rate
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: for details.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Exclusions apply.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: If you're gonna play the game, boy, you gotta learn
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: to play right.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: DraftKings is all about responsible game. It's more fun when
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: it's for fun, so played responsibly.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Draft Kings. The crown is yours.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: Gambling problem called one hundred Gambler twenty one plus. Agent
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: eligibility varies by jurisdiction.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Cant that catch twenty.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: Two catch catch catch catch catch catch, catch, catch that catch.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty can catch can.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Power backs catch power bats. You got to wait for
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: their red light to turn turns on back. I got
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: the Bruins Gamelast night with Jess Bart and.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: The Bruins.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Also Big Brunt Company. Yeah, they do a lot of
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: stuff with Brunt two. All the guys that you know
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: clean the ice and the zamboni drivers and stuff. They're
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: all wearing brontworkwear. I like Brontworkwear too. We wear it
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: around here as well, and Brount Workwear makes work boots
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: and apparel that are built for the job site and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: is an official sponsor of the New England Patriots and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: the Jillette Stadium field Crew. There gear is comfortable, durable,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: and named after the real workers in the trays that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: help design it. You can even try brunt out on
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: the job and if it doesn't blow you away, you'll
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: let you send it back. Save ten dollars on your forester.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: Order at brontworkwear dot com, slash Patriots or with coupon
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: code p A T S. All right, everybody's been waiting.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Thanks for waiting. On hold, We're going to get to
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: the calls, the emails. We'll talk a little Ravens before
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: the show wraps up. Tony is in Canada. What's up, Tony?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, good morning. Before I forget, I'm sure we
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 11: won't chat again. So happy holidays to all of you guys.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Thank you too, Thank you.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah. So you know, I'm still trying to figure out
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 11: the Buffalo loss, and definitely I agree listening to the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 11: show it was all three phases that cost us the game.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: But if I have to put my finger on one
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 11: one of those three phases. I'm going to put it
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 11: on the offense because the defense are all banged up
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 11: and we can expect much more of the same next game.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 11: Baltimore is going to want to run the ball and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 11: we have a scrambling quarterback. But I'm going to put
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 11: it on the offense. Like you guys said, we're the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 11: highest scoring offensive team in the first half, and in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 11: the second half, things just shut down. If you take
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 11: away that run from Anderson in the second half, which
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 11: was unbelievable, and you can't count on that very often.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 11: We were really scoreless in the second half.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 11: May scramble more, uses legs more, especially in those like
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 11: at the last drive, third down, four down, only five
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 11: yards we needed. I was surprised he didn't use his
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 11: legs and Buffalo did go to man to man and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 11: there was no separation with the receivers. So that's all
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 11: I have to say. I'm gonna listen to the rest
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 11: of the show. Thanks again, guys, and go path.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Thanks Tony, thanks for the call. Yeah, we talked a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: little bit about that on PU yesterday. Alex just you
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: know it wasn't. The system wasn't working right. There wasn't.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: The guys weren't getting schemed open. The receivers were having
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: trouble separating, you know, So could Drake may have just
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: gone playground mode and start running around and try to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: make some plays. I think there's some truth to that. Now,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Buffalo did strategically spy him a couple of times on
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: third and fourth down, and they had a nice nice
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: job of doing that on a handful of plays. So
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: you know, the third down that he threw the ball
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: up the sideline to Henderson kind of into no man's land,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: there was a spy on that play, So I didn't
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: know if he necessarily could have ran. I mean, he's fast.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: He hit twenty point whatever miles an hour running in
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: front of Trevon Henderson, So could he run away from
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: the spy. Sure he could have. But you know that's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: what teams are gonna do. They're gonna keep him in
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: the pocket. They're gonna make him read it out, you know,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: find the open guys like you. He had booty on
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: the backside coming across the field on the shallow on
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: that particular play, so as somebody you know, watching it,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: It's easy for me to say with a clicker, but
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: I would have rather him come off the covered side
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: and come to the backside crosser and hit Booty coming
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: across the field and give him a chance to get
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: the first down. But I do hear the argument that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: when there's nothing there and the plays aren't developing the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: way you want them to develop, he has that second
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: reaction ability to just kind of start going playground mode
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: on everybody, and maybe he could have done that a
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: little bit more. Patty is an aguan. What's up, Patty?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: Hey, Good morning, Jens.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Hey.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: I just want to share the same sentiment. Happy holidays
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: to you guys. If you remember last Wednesday when I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: called in, I said that I believe that offensive execution
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: was going to be paramount to the past win in
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: the game and to me, and like, it just brings
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: up what happened in the second half brings up a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: much bigger problem just for this season, because I mean,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: I know we see that like they don't have the depth,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: you know, especially defensively. But I think the only game
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: that I could say that they probably played a good
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: sixty minute game was the Panthers game. And to me,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: that's like the biggest it's it's the thing that's going
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: to hamstring them the most going forward and into the playoffs.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm already, I'm listening. I'm alright with it.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: I kind of feel like we're playing with house money.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: I do think they're going to win the division and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: you know, hopefully want a playoff game this year. But
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: I just think that, like when they do get to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: the playoffs, And I said this on the postgame show,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: you have to play sixty em in a game against
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: good teams and because if you don't, you can't expect
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: to play one half of good football and expect to win.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: That's that's my uh, that's my little rant. And I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: just wanted to get your guys opinion what that What
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: the hell do you think is going on with Christian Zalids.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll take that question off here.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call. Bat. It just on the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: first thing. That was sort of why I opened the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: show the way that I opened, because I do think
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: there is an element of they might just not be
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: quite their talent wise to play sixty four minutes against
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: a good team like Buffalo. Well, and that's not to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: let them off the hook. But it's just they might
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: be a little bit, a few pieces away from being
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: that kind of but I do think they're more talented
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: team at this point than Buffalo.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Now the injury is hurt, but I don't know, after
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Allen and Cook, where does Buffalo have? Line's good? The
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: line's very good. I shouldn't say the offense lines a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: very good, but like, yeah, not a lot of talent
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: on the defense on a wide receiver, you know, it's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: all in the running backs tight ends the line.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I say. It's close, and that I
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: think that that's reassuring even though you lost the game,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: Like you saw two teams on the field, and I
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: don't want to offend anybody in Denver, so I'll say, yeah,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: two of the three best teams in the AFC maybe
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: played that game on Sunday, Like I think you could
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: really make.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: There's only four one of four teams gonna come out
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: of the a FC, and there may be different odds
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: for each, but it's only gonna be one of four
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: teams in my mind, to come out of the AFC.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm just listening in the order off the top
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: of my head. Patriots, Bills, Broncos, Texans.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. See, I don't see it for the Texans, but
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: I agree with you all that defense. It's a really
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: good defense. But they're gonna have to go on the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: road three straight games, and I just.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: That defense will travel.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they get the maybe they do catch the Jaguars,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: but it's gonna be hard.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: But all right, let me ask you this. Are the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Texans closer to the Patriots, Broncos, and Bills or are
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: they closer to these Steelers, Jaguars and Chargers.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Probably the first group, but I think the Jaguars are
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: kind of sneak.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: We'll see with the Jaguars.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: And I'm not getting too caught up with what happened
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: on the Jets, but every single time I try to,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I keep on thinking the Jaguars are going to be
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars. They keep winning, so I have to give
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: them credit. I do give them credit.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: But they beat the Jets, they beat the Colts without
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: a quarterback, they beat the Titans, they beat the Cardinals,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: like that's their win streak right now. They do have
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: a win against the Chargers at home like they have.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: We could do the easy schedule thing with them too,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: and Houston has beat them, I think twice this year
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: and now they split. But just to one more thing,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: to Patty's point, like you hope this game is Mike
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Rabels said earlier this year, and I look, I think
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: it was a good quote. You'd rather learn from winning
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: than you would learn from losing. Yeah, and I think
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: that's a good approach. But I do think there's some
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: things that are just gonna be hammered home with a
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: loss more than they are with a win. And the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: playing sixty minutes the fourth quarter all that, it's kind
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: of easy for that to go in one ear and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: out the other if you're still winning. And so you
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: hope that this isn't. You don't want them to be
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: one of those teams, sorry, Evan, like the forty nine
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: ers that can't hold the lead in a big game.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Don't smur.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I think Kyle Shannon is the most blown fourth quarter
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: leagues in the NFL.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Because this is this is You've done a nice job
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: of not making this show about this, because this is
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: the crux of your frustration of this. Yeah, you are, mister,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: don't blow big lead, don't blow le Kyle Shanahan is
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: your right.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: You so put them on that level because they did
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: it once. Yeah, and they did it in a regular
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: season game. Kyle Shanahan has done it in multiple Super
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: bowl Kyle, by the way, one more year, one more
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: year until he's out of the Marv Leavy list. By
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: the way, one more year.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Can we just this is not the forty nine ers show.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: But Kyle Shannan has done a hell of a job
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: with that San Francisco team this year.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: You know what, he's a great regular season coach. You
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: know what I have to see. We both know.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: But they have been decimated by and and you know.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Credit to Mac Jones, your credit to Jones. Jones not playing,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Jones not played.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Wekay, can you finish your point? Don't blow big le
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: you hold.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: It's a wake up call. And I trust Rabel, Like
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Rabel's a coach I trust in this situation. So okay,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: like this is what happens when you let go of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: the rope. Don't do it again. But it is something
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: that's now on the radar. But you know next time
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: that you know, let's say they get up big on
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: the Ravens early step on the throat and you now
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: have this in the back of your head. The team
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: has in the back of the head of all right,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: we know what it looks like when we don't finish.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: We know what a poor effort down the stretch looks like. Uh,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: you know, we're We're going to turn around. So I Rabel,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: I trust for this not to be an issue because
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: I just the way he's approached other elements of the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: game and stretches a part of this too, Like they're
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: so focused.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: On the spot. I'm just so surprised like that a
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: team coached by Rabel and Josh McDaniels fell apart the
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: way that it did.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: And that's why I don't think that's why as frustrated
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: as I was, Okay, it was very frustrating.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you were in a dark place, so frustrated.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: But it's not something I'm gonna panic about because I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: don't think that that's the DNA of what Mike Rabel's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: program is going to be. I think they they it's
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: a young team that needed a wake up call and
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: got at a bad spot, and hopefully they treated as that.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, and that was sort of why
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: I was on the other side on right when you
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: were kind of you know, I know nothing bothers you
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: more in sports, not just football. Nothing in sports bothers
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: you more than blown blowing big leads.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, had you Celtics got up fourteen nothing on
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: the Pistons and had you feel about that like it's frustrating.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: It's frustrated in the.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: First quarter of an NBA game.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: So the NBA is a little different. And I said
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: this to you that the NBA do that.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: But do you want to bring up the Celtics against
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: the Knicks and the playoffs last year? That's it.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: We don't need to go back. But that's a more
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: fair comp to what happened in this game. Look, and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: you just hope they learned from it and move on.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: And again, they've been so good with the clock. You
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: look at the end of the game in Tampa, right, Yeah,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: they've been so good with the clock in managing these things.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: I trust them to get it fixed and get it
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: cleaned up. It's just unfortunate had happened in that spot,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: specifically with was on the line against that team.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: So the other thing that Patty brought up, that this
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: thing goes up your backside. The Christian Gonzales thing is
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: starting to irk me a little bit. Because I hold
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: Christian Goanzales to a really high standard because I think
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: he's a hell of a football player. And I you know,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: we've all loved Christian Gonzalez since the draft they drafted him,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: and I've you know, thought he's been a great player
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: ever since. Like we know what Christian Gonzalez is capable
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: of doing. I did not think he played well in
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: this game, and it didn't show up in the box
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: score because they kept.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Dropping that first drive, he gets beat twice.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got beat twice on the first drive, both
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: one drop, one air mail by Josh Allen. Then Josh
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Palmer dropped another pass that he got beat on. Later
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: on in the game, he busted a coverage that Allen
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: was late to the deep ball to Cooks that Jalen
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Hawkins came over and broke up. Yeah, but that was
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: the whole defense was in cover three and Christian Gonzales
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: was in Cover two for some reason. Okay, so he
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: thought he had a safety behind him and he didn't,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: so he let Cooks go down the sideline to nobody.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: I just know that there's another level for Christian Gonzales
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: that he I don't think has always played to this year.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: Ye.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if that's the hamstring. I don't
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: know if it's the scheme. I don't know what it is.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: But there's another level that he can get to and
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: we've seen it. And the last thing I'll just say
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: on the Christian Gonzales thing, this was one of those
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: games where the defense needed somebody to make a play.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: You needed to stem the tide. You needed somebody to
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: step up and make a play. And on Monday, Mike
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: Rabel was asked, and I'm not trying to throw shade,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: but Mike Rabel was asked about Christian Barmore and he
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: pivoted the question Drake May a little bit as well,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: but he said, all of our good players and I
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: just if you're gonna hold it against Christian Barmore that
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: he's getting double and triple team because Milton Williams isn't
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: a rushing with him anymore and he's not necessarily making
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: as many impact full plays as he was before, then
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: we have to do the same thing with Christian Gonzales.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: Like you can make a play, like you can pick
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: something off, you can break up a pass on third down. Uh,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: you know you you can, you know, do something like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: do anything.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I I think I don't get on Gonzalez's lack
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: of on ball production as much as some other people, because.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: To me, the great corners have on ball production. But
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: like it's not enough to just cover your guy.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: But if you're not targeted, you're not targeted. But he
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: was targeted right now he's getting targeted. So that's where
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, this game is a little different targeted.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Ty Law, you know kee to leave Gilmore.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, but there's there's two kinds of corners. Like
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of lockdowns versus ball hawks, but
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Of those, like Diana's a ballhawk, but like a lot
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: of the all the guys that I just named, Revus, Gilmour,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: sird Tan, those guys locked their guys down too.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: They locked Reavis didn't have a ton on ball production,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: so we threw him. But Revis, when he was thrown at,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: you pay sure. And Gonzalez has done that at times.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I think people get a little too like why doesn't
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: he have ten interceptions? Yeah, they're not thrown at him
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: that much. In this game he was thrown at. He
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: didn't find a way to make an impact on the ball.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is is that it takes all your
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: stars in a game like that, not you know, Drake
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: may Barmore, Gonzalez, Diggs, who I think needs you know,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: should be held accountable for his game and his performance
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: as well. It takes all your stars in a game
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: like that. And I don't know why. It just seems
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: like because maybe he didn't actually give up the catches
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: in those spots that you know, Christian Gonzalez has kind
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: of skated a little bit. But in my opinion, you know,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: when your defense is giving up five straight touchdown drives
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: against the reigning MVP, like you need your stars to start.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: You need somebody to make a play, and I hold
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: all of them accountable for not making the plays. All right,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: let's move on to Sam here in Virginia. What's up? Sam?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 12: Covered a lot of what I wanted to talk about
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 12: you guys invest in the business here, But wanted to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 12: ask on that fourth down play call late in the
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 12: fourth quarter, what'd you see on that? It kind of
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 12: looked like, I don't know, some poor esecution, kind of
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 12: a weird play call where they stacked Mac mccollins and
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 12: Hunter Henry and they basically just get pushed into each other.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 12: It digs gets no separation and Sposa bat it down.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 12: I don't know that one stuck out to me obviously
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 12: because of the circumstances. And one thing I wanted to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 12: ask about Trick mays an accuracy. Taylor Kyle's brought up,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 12: you know, poor weather obviously maybe being a factor, citing
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 12: the Bucks game as well, using that could contribute to
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 12: the inaccuracy. Do you think that's something worth monitoring. Just
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 12: kind of want to check in on what you guys
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 12: saw in the film from that, So thanks, I'll take
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 12: it off one.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, Sam. You know, look, I don't know if we
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: have a large enough sample size yet on the poor
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: weather thing. I admit I kinda I kind of defend
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: the wall a little bit on the poor weather thing
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: because I think it's kind of low hanging fruit, like
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: it was cold out. Okay, Well, you play football in
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: New England, so that's really a big thing for Drake
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: May Then he's got to find the right combination of
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: whether it's gear clothing, whether it's you know, practicing in
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: the cold more. I don't know how you do that
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: in the offseason. But find a way. I don't know,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: but I'm not. I just I think it's kind of
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: like an excuse, like, well, he played poorly in the cold.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go there. I want to give
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: him the benefit of the doubt that he's gonna figure
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: that out and get better. Like this isn't like Tua
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: in the cold, you know what I mean?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Like this is I also think, you know, you want
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: to break it down. Okay, so it was in the cold.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: That's a varia, But we don't really know about Drake May. Yeah,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: was also coming off an extended week off where he
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: struggled as well against Cincinnati. So is it some of that.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: It's also we didn't talk about there's enough going into
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the game. That's the first time Drake Mays played a
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: team twice in a season in his career. Yeah, because
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: last year he didn't play in the first Dolphins game, right,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: he played the very end of the first Jets game,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: got hurt very early in the second, and then he
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: played the first Bills game, played well, and then the
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: second game is that Week eighteen thing where he you know,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: played a drive and came off. So it could be
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: any number of variables like This is just a young quarterback.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: You kind of learn as you go. These questions come
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: up and you see, oh he answers them. So or
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: he just could have had a bad day.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah, so like.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: It could be any number of things.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I admitted it. I'm sensitive to the
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: whole you know, he's bad in cold weather thing, because
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's just such a small sample size of
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: meaningful football games in cold weather, like this is basically
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: the only one. Like I'm not given gonna go back
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: to his rookie season when they are getting blown out
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: by the Chargers or something like that and say, ah,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: he's bad. You know, that's another one, right Like that
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: teams stunk like there was nobody around him, there was
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: nothing he could do about it. This is the first
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: time that I really feel like he, you know, played
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: a true cold weather game. You know, I don't think
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be quite as cold in Baltimore. You know,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: we'll see, but you know, have the Jets game, I'll
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: have the Dolphins game in Week eighteen. It's gonna be cold.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: You know, we'll see what happens if this starts to
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: snowball like it did for Tua. Where Tua I think
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: is like oh and seven and now when it's below
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: forty degrees with like a terrible passer rating and all
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: that stuff, then we can then we can start to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: talk about it. I think it's still a little bit
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: too early to kind of put that on him as like, oh,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: he's a bad cold weather quarterback. I think we're being
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit premature. Sean is in Vancouver.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: What's up, Sean, Hey, Alex, I been happy Kunaka, thank you,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: thank you, find thank you. Will I want to find
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: out if you think Joe Toney is getting enough praise, because,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: like you look at his career and he kept doing England.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: He wont two Super Bowls with the Patriots. He leaves
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: the Patriots are terrible, and he goes to Kansas City.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: They win another two super Bowls. He leaves their terrible
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: well in you know, relative terms, and he's with Chicago
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: and they were terrible. Now they're going to win their
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: division most likely. So what's your opinion about Joe Toney.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: That's a very off topic conversation, Sean, But we both
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: love Joe Touney. I think, you know, he's probably one
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: of the best guards of his era. Yeah, I think
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have a really really strong Hall of Fame case.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: It's hard for guards to get into the Hall of Fame.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: It's harder than it should be. But he's gonna have
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: a really strong case for it. I mean, he's probably not.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: His whole thing is probably more consistency than it is dominance.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think that he's had.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Quite the peak, but like his sad moments, I mean,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: you go back to the twenty eighteen super Bowl, is
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: going to be what they show when they make his case.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: One on one against a Yeah, but they're I don't
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: know about man handling, but he's one on one and
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Heed he took kind took him out of the game.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: He won the reps. He won the reps. Zach Martin,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: Quentin Nelson. I think those guys might have been better
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: at their peaks, Like they might have been more dominant,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: you know, because they're both the kind of like road
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: graders too, so it's like a different type of thing.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: But he definitely definitely has the Hall of Fame case.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Great player. I don't know, you know, let's just leave
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: it at that. I'm not sure if I would say, like, oh,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: the Patriots winning and the Chiefs winning is all because
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: Joe Toney, like.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: He's won a lot of football anam.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing with braid Ian Patack Mahomes, but he's
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: an awesome player and deserves a spot in the Hall
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: of Fame. Mark is in Connecticut. What's that? Mark?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Happy holidays to
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 11: you as well. I was at the game over the weekend,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 11: and again it was a tail of two half and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 11: you know, it's just disappointing because you had like the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 11: so high in the first half and then you had
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 11: the real love in the second half. But what I
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 11: wanted to ask you is, you know, the Philip Rivers
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 11: thing is kind of interesting because do we have anybody
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 11: sitting at home or anybody that is like an outside linebacker,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 11: edge rusher, or even a middle linebacker that can add
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 11: some depth that you know, is not like a practice
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 11: squad player, but like a legit kind of player that
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 11: can come in here and help this team out.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Mark.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: If that player existed, then he'd be on at the area.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: It's quarterback kicker on her really the only position you
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: do that He almost won, though.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: It almost went. I had to watch it.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: He almost won. I saw a second half. I mean,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Judo just got cut. Like that's probably as close you're
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: going to get to that. Yeah, I mean, and he's
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: he's not had a great year. Yeah, not had a
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: great year.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Chad Muma.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe Chad Mooma is not forty five years old.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: We were overre talking about that, Oh that thing like
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: pulling Luke Keikley out of retirement or something like that
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: what his question was.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I get like, is there anybody borderline like
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: just retired that they could try to bring back for
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: a run.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: It's a pretty ridiculous that Luke Keikley wasn't the first
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer him, but him coming back and
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: then resetting his clock five years after he got snubbed
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: last year would be kind of funny.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Would be great. He probably still play. He's not that old.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: You're tired young. Yeah, a lot of those linebackers do,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Chad Mouma. Was it just me or were you also
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: in on him in that draft?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: I remember, I mean it was an awesome athlete coming out,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the better combines for a linebacker
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: in his class. But it just you know, hasn't translated.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that they probably have an idea of him
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: cover and kicks, like, you know, that's the type of
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: profile that.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Also, Louke Keigley's only one year older than Matthew Judon.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not old at all. Neither was like Patrick
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Willis or Patrick Willis is older when he were was Uh,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: I think it was Willis.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: I think in Navara Bowman.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Navara Bowman was young too.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Oh wilsonly played eight years.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, a lot of those guys. All right, Hayden
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: is in Minnesota. What's up, Hayden?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 10: Hey, first time, first time caller, longtime listener. Uh, just
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 10: want us to say, you know, how awesome you guys are.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: You know, you guys actually talked ball and and actually
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 10: talk about the sports instead of this this junk on
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 10: you know, SBC SPN where they talk about just how
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 10: everything affects legacies. So I just wanted to say, you
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 10: guys are awesome. You can you know, and Pature's unfiltered
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 10: as well.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate that, Hayden, Yeah, of course.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: Two questions here.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 10: One, I was looking for Christmas presents for my dad
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 10: and the rivalry collection he was he was wanting some
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 10: of the rivalry collections. Couldn't find it anywhere. Do you
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 10: guys know if that's gonna be on fail or you know,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 10: gonna be gonna be out uh for for purchase. I
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 10: saw like a bunch of different different teams, you know,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 10: all the other teams, but couldn't find any Patriots stuff.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 10: So was just curious what what that looks like on
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 10: on your website there, Yeah, go ahead, and then and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 10: then the and then the last question I have is
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 10: just you know, I've noticed this over the past couple
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 10: of weeks of the past couple of games watching the
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 10: Patriots and was just curious. I haven't heard any anybody
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 10: talk about it, but is there any concern from Drake
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 10: may like not having that closer mentality like you think
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 10: of like you know, Kobe Lebron fourth quarter, need a shot,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 10: they got it. You know, there's been I know the
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 10: Dolphins game, he had an opportunity to close it out
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 10: and couldn't put a drive together, had to have the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 10: defense close it out. I think the same thing happened
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 10: with the Falcons game and this Bills game two, you know,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 10: three examples of him being able to have a drive
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 10: to close it out and then not having you know,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 10: not completing that drive and making the defense close it out.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 10: Is there any concern there?
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call. And I think that this
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: is another one that is filed in the interesting but
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: not quite enough evidence yet, kind of like the cold
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: weather thing. Yeah, there's definitely something to what he said.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: The caller said, Uh, he did put together the game
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: winning drive in Buffalo, And I do think he has
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: the right mentality and has the right background to be
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: a good clutch quarterback because you know, he talks a
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: lot about basketball and his brothers and you know, wanting
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: that last shot and that sort of thing. So I
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: do think he has that mentality. But uh, I clutches
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: a thing. I'm not trying to go on nerd on
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: you and say clutch isn't a thing, But it's also about,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: you know, being able to execute really well right, And
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: you know, it's not just enough to like want to
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: be clutch or or you know whatever. But you know
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: what makes the great ones great is that they execute
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: in the clutch on top of that. So you know,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: he's a young quarterback and hopefully that comes along here eventually.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: It's not that we've seen it in flashes. You know,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: he did it against Buffalo in week five, and yeah,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: you know, hopefully there's more of that to come to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: the Rivalry gear. That's more of a question for the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: boss man. But I do think that I heard a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: rumor that maybe they were getting more in stock for
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: the holiday season at the Pro Shop. But I gotta
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: tell you, because I have the Bomber jacket. As you know,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: people stop me everywhere when I'm wearing that thing. Like
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: if I'm out in public in that jacket, I get
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: asked at least once like where did Like how did
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: you get that? You know, it's kind of crazy how
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: much people want it, so you're not alone hated and
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: everybody's looking for the rivalry gear. It's it's hot right now.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: But I did think I do think that Fred might
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: have said that they might be trying to restock it,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: like for you know, Christmas coming up now, but for
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: the holidays, so maybe look on the Pro Shop. Justina
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: is in North Carolina. What's up, Justina?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: Hi?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: Evan, You know that you and I were the first
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: to support Drake and we knew we knew his talent,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: but at the same time, we also noticed that at
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: the end of games he's some of the games he
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: finished good, but in some of them he also seems
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: to choke. Even back in North Carolina State, even back
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: last year with the cold, you know, through the interceptions
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: and sometimes you can see that he has that I
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: don't know what it is, but he's it's like he's
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: had that hyperactivity and he may not see things as slowly.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just thinking that maybe he should possibly when he
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: feels that way, they should enable him the ability to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: call the time out to regroup, you know, in it's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: a critical situation like that at the end of the game.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: What do you think about that?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Justina, it's funny. Uh, Paul said yesterday he needed
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: a hockey time out.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, like, would you want a
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: basketball time out there at any point?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: And I kind of do did kind of expect I
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: kept on looking over to the sideline to see if
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: Rabel kind of did any sort of like but you know,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: when it was kind of getting away from them in
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: the second half, like a hockey timeout, like obviously don't
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: have as much time necessarily, or it's not exactly the same,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: but I hear what Justina is saying, and I hear
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: what she's saying about his college game as well, because
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: that that was sort of them in college for Drake
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: May was that you could put up his ten best
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: throws from a game against anybody in the country, but
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: then you look up at the scoreboard in North Carolina
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: losing and it was like kind of like a weird
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: thing of like style over substance, where like he was
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: clearly talented and was just making unbelievable throws even at
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: North Carolina. But they his first year as the starter,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: they won some a good amount of games and made
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: it to the a SEC Championship game, and they were
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: a good team. But his second year they were not
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: a great team. And I think a lot of people
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: were kind of like, sort of like what we do
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: with Justin Herbert, like why is this guy so good?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: And the eye test is so clear that he's this good,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: but then he doesn't win in the big spots. And
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: I think there's some truth to that in a young
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: player's career, But I do think that that can develop,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: Like I do think he can get better at those
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: types of things, and I do think it's still kind
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: of a small sample size. We have eight minutes here
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: to talk about the Ravens, which is always how this
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: kind of feels like it goes down. So I'll just
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: kind of whittle this down to like my few big
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: picture points on this game. The number one thing I
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: always think about what the Baltimore Ravens before you play
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: a game against them is physicality. Like you better be
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: ready to hit on Sunday night. This is gonna be
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: an old school, smash mouthed bully ball type of game,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: and you better bring your hard hat, says Kevin Garnett
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: would say, like, this is not this is not for
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: the fan of this is not for the week. This
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: is not gonna be one of those types of games.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: This isn't gonna be finesse. They're gonna come at you
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: in the trenches, especially offensively. Can the Patriots fine a
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: run defense in six days?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 11: Like?
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, But this Baltimore team, even though they've
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: had some struggles this year and Lamar hasn't been quite
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: as good because of the injuries and all that kind
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: of stuff, they still run the ball with the best
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: of them, and they're gonna put heavy personnel on the field.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have multiple tight ends you're gonna have Patrick
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Card their full back, who's a beast, and they're gonna
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, and they're gonna come
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: right at you running the football. So can you find
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: a way to stop the run? I wish I had
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: like some I don't know, like schematics or x's and
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: o's that I could tell you all. But to me,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: this is just about want to Like, you just have
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: to have that mentality to her.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Players say a lot, that's what we're on defenses. You
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: know how many yards the Ravens averaged on the ground
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: last week?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Oh? Got it? Probably a lot?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Nine point one?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they like they do an excellent job of scripting
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: and sequencing their run game two. Yeah, Like I'm gonna
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: publish game plan my preview tomorrow. And there's one power
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: play that they run and they hit it three different ways,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: but it all looks the same, right, and so they'll
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: run power lead just the natural way, just right down
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: at your throat run game. Then they have like a
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: misdirection toss off the power lead where they pull the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: guard and then they toss it out to Henry out
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: on the perimeter in the opposite direction and then they
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: have power lead play actions. They have pop passes where
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: they are running play action off the power lead. Not
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: even to mention the gun runs and the RPOs and
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: the Lamar Jackson elements and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: It is a terrifically well designed run game. Like Todd
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: Monkin is a wizard with the run game.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at the Ravens and they only
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: threw the ball twelve times last week. Now they got
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: up early, Yeah, so that helps. But like, what incentive
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: is there for the Ravens to throw the ball in
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: this game zero. I would not be surprised if the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Ravens come out run the ball thirty somethingtimes if the
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Patriots opened the door for him. But now here's the thing.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: This is where you go back to last week's game.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: The Bill showed that just because you're behind multiple scores
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: on the Patriots doesn't mean you need to stop running
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: the football. So this is where you're gonna have a chance, hopefully,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: like if the Patriots are getting early, lad, you're gonna
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: have a chance to kind of right the wrong from
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: last week. Because in theory down twenty one nothing you
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: should stop running the ball. Bill's doubled down on running
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: the ball and it worked.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if the Ravens take the
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: same philosophy if they fall behind.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got. This is one of those games where
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: this is not negotiabull, stop the run type of game.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: And you're not going to completely shut out Derrick Henry
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: and Mitchell's a good back too, Like they're change of
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: pace back. He's good as well. You're not going to
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: completely shut those guys down, but you need to manage
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: the run game so that it doesn't take over the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: football game.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: That's a big part of this game as well, a
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: big thing for me.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: We didn't talk about it earlier, but part of what
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: killed him against the Bills was, especially in the second half,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: there were some players where I'm watching it and it's like,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: all right, well they got contact with James Cook, like
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: a yard or two from line scrimmage. Great, And then
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: I look up and it's second and five. Yeah, because
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Cook's winning the tackle when the two come together.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: Derrick Henry is gonna win every tackle.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: So but they he is. You're run but like you
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: got and that's where they miss Splaine. You got a
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: gang tackle. You got to get multiple defenders to the football,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: so that Okay, you hit him two yards past line
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage, but then he drags guys and he falls
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: forward and suddenly you actually defended the run. Okay, but
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: it's still a seven yard run. Yeah, R Henry, it's
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: a key to the game. And it sucks because Derek
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: Henry is the best in the league at this, maybe
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: the best at this all right, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell R. Yeah,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: it's gonna vote Earl Campbell or some of those guys. Yeah,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: but those hidden yards killed them? Was it one hundred
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: one of one hundred and seven yards after contact for
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: one oh one out of one oh seven? I forget
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: if that was Cook or the team, but that was Cook.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: You cannot allow hitting yards, but it just so happens.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: He's there facing is maybe the greatest hitten yard of
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: running back of all time.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's a tough matchup in that sense. But
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: this is not Pete Lamar as a passer or a runner.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: There's some he's clearly hurt and limited with his ability
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: to run because like he's getting caught by like defensive linemen,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: which is just you never see that from Lamar Jackson, like,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: that's that's super rare from him. So it's not that
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: you can take him lightly. But I do think if
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: the Patriots can turn this into a drop back passing
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: game for Lamar and at least manage the run, you know,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: and not get completely exposed in the run game, I
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: don't think this is the best the Ravens have ever
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: really been as a drop back passing team, and they've
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: always been a little bit, you know, kind of weary
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: in that regard. Anyways, big thing with Lamar, you know,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: I love Lamar, but going back to college, he does
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: not want to throw the ball outside the numbers. He's
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: always been a better middle of the field thrower. The
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: stats bear that out. This is one of those games
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: where when you do get him to throw, you want
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: to funnel the ball outside. You want to make him
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: try to push the ball outside the numbers. He can
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: be lethal if you let him live on seams and
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: crossers in the middle of the field, to the tight
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: ends and zay flowers, he will tear you apart. He
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: will be lethal. But he is not a great outside
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: the numbers thrower and never really has been going back
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: to college. Defensively, really quickly. They're going to spin the
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: dial on Drake May. It's what they did to Joe
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: Burrow last week. That was a first time Joe Burrow's
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: been shut out in his NFL career last week against
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: the Ravens. They are exotic. They spin the dial a lot,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: but they have to because they don't get a ton
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: of pressure without it. So they are kind of in
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: the same boat as the Patriots, where like their standard
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: four man rushes have not been very good this year.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: They're thirty first in the league in ZACH rate their
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: twenty fourth and pass rush win rate. So they're creating
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: pressure with scheme like they're disguising pressure. They're doing different
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: things to get quarterbacks to hold the football, which is
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: in allowing them to get pressure. So I do think
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: that Drake May is going to have time to survey
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: in this game. But they have to do a much
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: better job of reading out coverages and seeing the open
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: spaces and separating than what they did against Buffalo. So
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: I think that the Ravens are going to hit all
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: the same notes that the Bills did. They're gonna run
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: the football, They're going to just dress it up and
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: disguise it on defense, and I'm sure that John Harbaugh,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: because he normally does, will probably have some returns you
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: know ready on the kickoff returns as well. So I
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: think that this is going to be the exact kind
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: of game that you just played. I don't know if
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: they're going to be up twenty one nothing, but the
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: type of game and the way it's going to go
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: is going to be exact.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have a lot of chance to prove what
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: was real last week and what was an anomaly.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is going to be one of your types
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: of games. Al, It's going to be a bully ball.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: This is smash mouth football on Sunday night football. The
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: Ravens need it too. I don't think they're mathematically eliminated
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: if they lose, but it gets the real dicey for them.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, the AFC North is a beautiful mess.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: Well, they have to win the North. They're not going
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: to win. They're not going to be a wildcard team.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: So if they're going to make the playoffs, they have
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: to beat the Steelers. I think they play in Week eighteen.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that game might be the last game is
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: Sunday night game.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they also at the Beckers after this one.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, they're in trouble if they lose this game.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. So that's the Ravens. I
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: wish we had a few more minutes to break that down,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: but that's that's the juxt of it. That's the simplest
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: of it. Really quickly. Actually, just one last thing, tight ends.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: This is gonna they he loves throwing to is likely
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: and Mark Andrews. The Patriots had some issues with Knox
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: and Kincaid last week, so that would be another key
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: to the game. But that's it. Stop the run, have
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: some fun. It's gonna be a tough one, I think
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: on Sunday night. But I do think the Patriots bounced
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: back in this game. I think they're the better team,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: and they are at least the healthier team, you know,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: with where Lamar is at right now. But we'll see.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: I'll be there in Baltimore, Alex and I will be
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: back next week to talk about this Ravens game. Previous
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: the Jets, I guess. I mean, you know, whatever is
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: left of the Jets by the time that rolls around,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: Cook Brady Cook could be not you know, they can't
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: win the division by themselves. But if the Eagles beat
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: If the Patriots win the next two and the Eagles
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: beat the Bills in Buffalo in week seventeen, raps, that's wraps. Yeah,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: so maybe they'll be in position if they can take
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: care of business on Sunday night. Patriots on Filter will
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: be up in nine minutes. We'll be back next week
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: on Catch twenty two. We'll see you guys.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Then. Hey, this is Alex.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 13: Thanks for tuning into the show. If you really want
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 13: to help us, make sure you like us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 13: or wherever you get your podcasts.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Also, make sure you follow.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 13: Us on the New England Patriots YouTube channel to see
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 13: this show and everything else we do here at the Patriots.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot,