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Feminist Movie Wednesday: Rogue One · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to Steph.
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Speaker 1: I never told your protection of high radio. And Happy
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Speaker 1: Star Wars Day, Happy Star Wars Day. Yes, yes, I
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Speaker 1: believe made the fourth Be with you when this comes out, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: if you're listening to it when it comes out. It
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Speaker 1: is Star Wars Day. Very exciting and I'm sure you've
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Speaker 1: heard a lot of our Star Wars content lately. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And we thought, well, I thought what better way to
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Speaker 1: celebrate than with a feminist movie Wednesday on Rogue one,
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Speaker 1: a Star Wars story, And in fact, I, for the
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Speaker 1: occasion made a very special drink. It's unfortunately I made
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Speaker 1: it kind of on a whim this morning, so it's
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Speaker 1: not quite there yet. But it's like a gin infused
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Speaker 1: with butterfly, he flower and glitter, very very pretty glitter,
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Speaker 1: edible glitter. Oh I didn't just arts and craft glitter
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Speaker 1: in my but it's Star Wars Day, no no edible.
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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons this is on my mind
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Speaker 1: is because over on Saver, the other podcast I do,
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Speaker 1: we're doing an episode on the butterfly pea flower, which
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Speaker 1: actually has a fascinating history and is named after the
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Speaker 1: glitter iss so check that out if you're interested. Alright, So, yes,
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Speaker 1: today we were talking about Rogue on a Star Wars story.
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Speaker 1: A lot of you have written in to suggest this,
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Speaker 1: so thank you. Also, it feels very wrong doing this
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Speaker 1: without Holly Fry because this is her favorite or at
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Speaker 1: least to my unless anything is you know, bumped it
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Speaker 1: off the top is her favorite Star Wars thing, So
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Speaker 1: don't hate his Holly. We're thinking about maybe doing another
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Speaker 1: happy hour with her soon where we could just talk
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Speaker 1: about it. But speaking of this is a movie that
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Speaker 1: will never forget. Uh, watching with Samantha for the first
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Speaker 1: time because we had a bit of a misunderstanding or
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Speaker 1: misunderstanding on my end to be fair, though, Okay, I
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Speaker 1: feel like so we've already had this argument every time
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Speaker 1: every time she brings up this movie. I can't let
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Speaker 1: it go, uh because the one thing that I have
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Speaker 1: assigned her with and again this is all on me.
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Speaker 1: But still I love to project because it's fun that
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Speaker 1: you have to warn me if their sadness in this
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Speaker 1: because I just need to be prepped. I my journey
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Speaker 1: with Star Wars started a year and a half ago,
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Speaker 1: two years ago with you. I have never fully watched
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Speaker 1: any of the movies, and I've never seen it, so
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Speaker 1: I feel like you should have been aware that I
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Speaker 1: knew nothing, and that I get traumatized by very sad movies.
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Speaker 1: And as Holly put it, in which we were trying
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Speaker 1: to relay what happened, this is the Titanic of All
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Speaker 1: Star Wars, the franchise, everybody dies. I was not prepared
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Speaker 1: and the anger on my face. But it's not just
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Speaker 1: that everybody dies, but they start at the very beginning
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Speaker 1: just killing off everyone. So the tone of the whole
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Speaker 1: thing is there's no redemption. They just all die. I
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Speaker 1: remember very clearly we were we were at the beach
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Speaker 1: watching this and there was a part where you I
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Speaker 1: looked over and you were getting angrier and angrier, and
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Speaker 1: it was towards the end, and I kind of struck
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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, what did you expect? I mean,
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Speaker 1: they all die in the end, And the look you
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Speaker 1: gave me struck me down dead. The look I gave
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Speaker 1: me was, what do you mean everybody is dead? Why?
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Speaker 1: Oh man? And then there was a long awkward silence
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Speaker 1: until we got yes. And I just sat there and
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Speaker 1: stared and I said, you've betrayed me, and or something
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Speaker 1: along the lines of why would you do this to me?
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Speaker 1: You should have warned me, what the well? And I
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Speaker 1: you know, my bad, but I just assumed everyone knew
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Speaker 1: that's what happened in that nothing about Star Wars. I
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Speaker 1: think this was our first like head into let's watch
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Speaker 1: the prequels and the sequels at this point in time,
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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them, and I'm like, why would you
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Speaker 1: do this to me? Well, there was redemption. No one survived,
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Speaker 1: and I was very angry. I was like, I need
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Speaker 1: at least one in person to be alive, and there
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Speaker 1: wasn't and you kept going on. And the thing about
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Speaker 1: that was you kept telling me this is my favorite,
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Speaker 1: one of my favorites, this is Holly's favorite. I did
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Speaker 1: not know why. In my mind that means something happy
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Speaker 1: is happening, and this is gonna be so amazing because
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Speaker 1: this is before I realized you like the traumatizing versions
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Speaker 1: of things fictions, and I was like what. And then
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Speaker 1: on top of that, if I remember correctly, you're like,
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Speaker 1: but it has the best talk scene ever, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: they died. That is that's a good talk though. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gone. This is how my voice goes. Every time
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Speaker 1: we discuss this, I get very very authoritative and annoyed.
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Speaker 1: I like it, uh, and I probably deserve it. I
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Speaker 1: do want to actually mentioned, though, I think this whole misunderstanding,
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Speaker 1: which I'm just going to call it, is actually based
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Speaker 1: on a misunderstanding of mine, because the first time I
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Speaker 1: saw this, this is my favorite non original trilogy Star
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Speaker 1: Wars movie. It's very sad. I watched it yesterday and
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Speaker 1: I was like, I know what happens, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that's so sad. Uh. I couldn't watch
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Speaker 1: the ending. It is brutal, that is real sad. But
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Speaker 1: the first time I saw it, which was kind of before,
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Speaker 1: I really like, I've always loved Star Wars, but it
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Speaker 1: was kind of before this, like real deep dive I've
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Speaker 1: done during the pandemic. I thought it was supposed to
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Speaker 1: take place between Empire Strikes Back and Returning the Jedi,
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Speaker 1: which is incorrect. I thought it was based on the
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Speaker 1: line mom Mathma says in Return of the Jedi, where
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Speaker 1: she says many Botons died to bring us this information.
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Speaker 1: I thought that's what it was because surprised by those
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Speaker 1: two death stars. So I feel like that's an easy
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Speaker 1: mistake to make, stealing the death Star plans. Also, it's
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Speaker 1: clear I didn't know what a boton was, but anyway
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Speaker 1: or whatever, Um I didn't. I don't. I didn't either,
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Speaker 1: but I would have known something was a miss had
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Speaker 1: I known what a Botham was. So that's part of
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Speaker 1: the reason I kind of thought everyone knew. I thought like, oh,
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Speaker 1: she says it in Return of the Jedi. Many Bothams
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Speaker 1: died to bring this information, which would have been I
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Speaker 1: please don't. This movie is very sad. That would have
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Speaker 1: been sadder because then those that plan was like a fake.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, so I was watching this in theaters when
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Speaker 1: it first came out, and tark And showed up, who
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Speaker 1: was kind of that like creepy older British guy who's
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Speaker 1: in charge of the desk Star and a new hope
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Speaker 1: And I was like, no, this is wrong. How could
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Speaker 1: they make such a big mistake? He's dead? Um good? Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I was wrong. And also I lost my scarf that day,
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Speaker 1: so that was not a win for me, not a
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Speaker 1: win for me. But yes, uh, this movie, I will
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Speaker 1: say as a very big tone old difference, and this
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Speaker 1: is something I'm kind of struggling with with um because
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Speaker 1: the original trilogy, I maintain is like children's fairy tale
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Speaker 1: and I love it, and then this comes in and
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Speaker 1: it's like, but actually everyone dies, and it's well, I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's wrong, but it's kind of like a disconnect.
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. And if you have seen in
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Speaker 1: the in my opinion, very super cute deleted scene from
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Speaker 1: a New Hope where Luke and his friend slash Crush
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Speaker 1: according to fan fiction Big Dark Lighter, who later died
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Speaker 1: in the Battle of Yaven trying to destroy the Desk Star.
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Speaker 1: They're discussing politics and Luke is so excited because he
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Speaker 1: saw in the sky. This is what he thought was
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Speaker 1: a firefight. Um, and yes, that's the battle that's taking
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Speaker 1: place at the end of Rogue. One. Of course that's
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Speaker 1: rhet cond that they did that afterwards, but it is
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Speaker 1: I really like that to leave it scene. But anyway, Um,
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Speaker 1: it happens immediately before A New Hope, immediately before and
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Speaker 1: as dies and then there's Hope whatever you Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: can feel it. I can feel it. James Gunn recently
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Speaker 1: made news when he said that this movie was the
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Speaker 1: most underrated Star Wars anything a series based on the
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Speaker 1: character and or from this movie. Uh recently got greenlit
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Speaker 1: for a second season, even though the first season hasn't
9:27
Speaker 1: come out yet. But then it was supposed to have
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Speaker 1: five and now they've cut it down to three. So
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Speaker 1: who knows. I don't know what's going on indoors where
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Speaker 1: the Wookies now and or not in door. Um. This
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Speaker 1: is why I say no, don't assume I know anything
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Speaker 1: about Star Wars. Is because I've watched it with you times.
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Speaker 1: Why would I assume that. Well, that's kind of why
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Speaker 1: I've shifted the format, and I'm very open to questions
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Speaker 1: at any time, because clearly I have no real grasp
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Speaker 1: on when people don't understand everything that I know about
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Speaker 1: Star Wars a long time. Yes, well it's confusing, it's
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Speaker 1: totally fair. Um. And yes, you can see our many
10:08
Speaker 1: many past episodes on Star Wars, many in this month
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Speaker 1: about fictional women in the world of Star Wars, perhaps
10:14
Speaker 1: for this one particularly, see the one that we did
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Speaker 1: on the feminism of Star Wars Forever ago. Bridge and
10:21
Speaker 1: I did one where we talked about this movie a lot,
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Speaker 1: and the feminist movie Friday our Wednesday. Who knows? On
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Speaker 1: the prequels and the sequels. Uh, which yes, we have done.
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Speaker 1: We have done all of these things. Which I also
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Speaker 1: think the prequels could be the Titanic too, because you
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Speaker 1: know what's happening, but every everybody kind of knows what
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Speaker 1: happens to Darth Vader. Clearly not everyone knew what happened before.
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Speaker 1: I do hope. Anyway, anyway, before an think is angry
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Speaker 1: at me, let's talk about the plot. I'm sure that
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Speaker 1: will make it better. Rogue One is a twenty sixteen
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Speaker 1: space opera directed by Gareth Edwards with a screenplay by
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Speaker 1: Chris Whites and Tony Gilroy from a story by John
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Speaker 1: Noel and Gary Whitta. And yes, I watched this yesterday
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Speaker 1: and then further with characters based on George Clarious. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It is the first standalone moving in the Star Wars universe.
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Speaker 1: It's also the first one that doesn't have the scrolling
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Speaker 1: yellow script at the beginning. Uh yeah, it starts Felicity
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Speaker 1: Jones is jin urso Diego Luna as Cassie, and or
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Speaker 1: Matt Nicholson as Galen orso Ben Middelssohn as Imperial Officer
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Speaker 1: orson critic Donnie Yen, who is a huge name in
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Speaker 1: Hong Kong cinema as cheer at m Way Jeong Wyn
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Speaker 1: as a Malvis whose Holly's favorite, uh rizamed as body
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Speaker 1: Rook Alan Tu Dick as K two s for st
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Speaker 1: Ripker s Sakrera with bonus c G I cameos from
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Speaker 1: Tarkin not necessarily c G I, but Darth Vader and
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Speaker 1: Princess Leiah and other cameos by Jimmy Smith's as Bail
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Speaker 1: Organa whom I love, uh C three PO and R
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Speaker 1: two D two and yes, Darth Vader as is really
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Speaker 1: terrifying Hallway fight scene they mimicked with Luke in The
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Speaker 1: Mandalorian and you can watch a side by side. It's
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Speaker 1: really cool. Also mon Mathma. It was generally well received.
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Speaker 1: It was a financial success. I can't wait till we
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Speaker 1: talked about some of the reviews. It's gonna be so fun. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So the film opens on research scientists Galen Urso and
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Speaker 1: his wife and daughter hiding out on a remote planet.
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Speaker 1: Galen and his wife instruct their daughter Jin their star
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Speaker 1: dust to hide when they noticed Imperial troopers led by
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Speaker 1: weapons developer or some crinic approaching. Jen runs through the
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Speaker 1: fields as Galen confronts Clinic, who is there to force
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Speaker 1: him to work on completing the Empire's planet destroying weapon,
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Speaker 1: the Death Star. Galen tries to refuse, and his wife
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Speaker 1: Lera is killed in the skirmish, and Galen agrees to
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Speaker 1: coman them. We'll talk about that later, I promise. As
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Speaker 1: Jin escapes and is rescued by rebel extremists saw g Rare,
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Speaker 1: who actually was in Clone Wars. So fifteen years go by,
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Speaker 1: cargo pilot named body Rook defects from the Empire in
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Speaker 1: possession of a recorded message from Galen Urzo destin for Sagaria,
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Speaker 1: who is hiding out on the planet of Jetta. The
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Speaker 1: Rebel Alliance hears about this defection and a super weapon
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Speaker 1: called the Death Star, and they send Cassie and and
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Speaker 1: Or an Alliance intelligence officer to investigate. At the same time,
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Speaker 1: Jenner so It is free from a labor camp and
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Speaker 1: brought before Alliance leader in mon Mathma Mind convinces her
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Speaker 1: to aid in the search for Jin's father, Galen, so
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Speaker 1: they can learn more about the Death Star and a
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Speaker 1: possible weakness it might contain, while at the same time
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Speaker 1: to asking Cassian with killing Galen if they find him
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Speaker 1: also unnecessary. I love it. I can't wait till we
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Speaker 1: get to the discussion portion. Cassian Jin and a reprogrammed
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Speaker 1: Imperial joid name K two s O make their way
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Speaker 1: to the planet Jetta, where the Empire is harvesting hiber crystals,
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Speaker 1: which are the hearts of light sabers in order to
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Speaker 1: power the Death Star. When they arrive, things are immediately tense.
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Speaker 1: Saga Era and his forces are facing off against the
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Speaker 1: imperials Jin and Cassing, and are captured and taken to Saw,
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Speaker 1: who has also imprisoned and interrogated Rook. Saw plays Galen's
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Speaker 1: message for Gin, in which Galen reveals he built a
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Speaker 1: weakness into the Death Star called Project start Us, although
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Speaker 1: it's not revealed until later, and that she should go
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Speaker 1: to the planet Scariff to get the imperial layouts of
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Speaker 1: the Project. Cassing and Rooke are able to escape with
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Speaker 1: the help of cheer At m Way, a blind spiritual
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Speaker 1: warrior who uses the Force, and his companion mercenary Blaze.
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Speaker 1: Malba's My favorite line, I will say is when he
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Speaker 1: does get the hood on his head and he's like,
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Speaker 1: really right because he's blind. I thought that was fantastic,
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Speaker 1: and I'll laugh every time, and that he is the
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Speaker 1: one who even character except he dies. So at the
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Speaker 1: same time, Critic, who was desperate to show off the
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Speaker 1: fruits of his labor and looks very much a German
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Speaker 1: Nazi soldier uh and get recognition for his work, orders
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Speaker 1: a low power demonstration of what the Death Star is
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Speaker 1: capable of by firing at the capital of Jetta. Jin
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Speaker 1: and the Gain are able to escape in time. Those
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Speaker 1: Sagarira stays behind, which he didn't have to. I don't understand.
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Speaker 1: The demonstration backfires for Clinic when Tarkan takes control of
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Speaker 1: the project due to rocks defection and related security issues.
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Speaker 1: So he claims, I love the java between Turkid and
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Speaker 1: Darth Vader each othernic We're going to talk about that.
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Speaker 1: I have a whole section on it. But I really
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Speaker 1: love they're they're kind of like sassy. So I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to that. Sagarira could have lived Okay, yes,
15:40
Speaker 1: he could have us heah, he's very intense. We shall
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Speaker 1: say he's perfectly cast though, I just want to put
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Speaker 1: that out. Excellent Whitaker so great anyway, m m m hmmm.
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Speaker 1: Rook directs them to the planet of I Do, where
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Speaker 1: Galen are So is stationed. Cassian instructs Jin to stay
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Speaker 1: behind on the ship. She ignores him, sneaking out to
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Speaker 1: catch a glimpse of her father, who again she has
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Speaker 1: not seen since she was a child. Cassian prepares to
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Speaker 1: kill Galen via sniper rifle, but decides against it when
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Speaker 1: he notices Jin approaching. However, the rebel forces launch a
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Speaker 1: bomb strike that hits just after she reveals herself, and
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Speaker 1: after Galen admits he is the trader, Critic orders the
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Speaker 1: death of the other researchers on his team and they
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Speaker 1: are executed. So this happens, and then the rebels come
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Speaker 1: in and they launched his bomb strike um and Galen
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Speaker 1: is wounded and dies in Jim's arms. She is forced
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Speaker 1: to leave his body behind and escapes with Cassian and
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Speaker 1: the others. Critic is summoned by Vader, and when Critic
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Speaker 1: demands to speak with them for Vader forced chokes him,
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Speaker 1: telling him to be careful not to choke on his aspirations. Classic.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how many puns he went around making, You
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Speaker 1: know he should have, especially when it's like don't choke
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Speaker 1: on the Also, that didn't sound much, James Earl Jones.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to put that in there when I heard
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Speaker 1: that line. Um so Jin, now armed with the knowledge
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Speaker 1: of her father's intentions after all this time, who have
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Speaker 1: obviously has to die so they can't have be happy,
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Speaker 1: tries to pursue the leaders of the rebel fleet to
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Speaker 1: go to scare Of to steal the death Star plans,
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Speaker 1: but she fails, obviously because everything is the worst. Determined
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Speaker 1: to try anyway, she sets out to common Deer a
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Speaker 1: ship and it's approached by Cassian and a group of
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Speaker 1: fighters who want to help her out of guilt. I
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Speaker 1: don't know rock names are still an Imperial ship. Rogue one.
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Speaker 1: Jin gives an inspirational speech about how they're going to
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Speaker 1: fight till the very end, and they do a disguise Jin,
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Speaker 1: Cassian and K two s O, who has become my favorite,
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Speaker 1: one of my favorites. I've decided that I just truly
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Speaker 1: love defiant rebellious robots or drawing. Those are my favorite
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Speaker 1: because I love some K two s O as much
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Speaker 1: as I love Chopper. Yes, Chopper is also fantastic. Just
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Speaker 1: so you know. They entered the Imperial base while the
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Speaker 1: rest of the rebellion force attacks to cause a distraction,
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Speaker 1: and they all die. When the Lions leaders hear about this,
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Speaker 1: they reverse their decision and send their fleet in support.
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Speaker 1: And then comes all the sadness and all the death,
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Speaker 1: and all the hateful, hateful beasts, and all the fields.
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Speaker 1: It is moving. I was surprised, I was moved. I'm angry.
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Speaker 1: I think that might be our differences and emotional reactions
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Speaker 1: to things. But okay, here we go. Let's break down
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Speaker 1: these sadness. So K two s O sacrifices himself so
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Speaker 1: Jin and Cassian can enter the room where the data
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Speaker 1: is held. And notably, this is after the kind of
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Speaker 1: Jin who is distrustful of Joys, gave him his much
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Speaker 1: desired blaster, like they kind of had this connection. Suret
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Speaker 1: dies after activating the master's switch so the rebellion can
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Speaker 1: contact the ground to get the data base. Malvis dies,
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Speaker 1: killing Imperial forces to hold them back Uh and the yard,
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Speaker 1: saying I am one with the force, the forces with me.
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Speaker 1: Brooke dies by grenade after informing the rebel forces what
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Speaker 1: they need to do to intercept the desk Star plans
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Speaker 1: and also setting up this connection. One of the rebels
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Speaker 1: uses a Hammerhead corvette ship to destroy two star destroyers,
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Speaker 1: causing the ensuing wreckage to crash onto the shield generator
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Speaker 1: and causing it to fail. Meanwhile, Jin and Cassian get
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Speaker 1: their hands on the plans, what are attacked by Critic,
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Speaker 1: who shoots and wounds Cassian. Jin climbs up to the
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Speaker 1: top of the structure and after some obstacles and a fight,
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Speaker 1: is able to transmit the schematics moments before the Desktar
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Speaker 1: arrives above. Scareff is very visually cool by the way,
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Speaker 1: um Tarkian orders another low powered blast at the antenna,
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Speaker 1: killing Critic and causing a tsunami that kills Cassian and Jin. Yes,
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Speaker 1: this is my best satisfy, however, and all the remaining
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Speaker 1: ground forces. Meanwhile, the Rebel fleet tries to jump to hyperspace,
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Speaker 1: but they are besieged by Darth Vader's star destroyer. Vader
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Speaker 1: arrives on one of the ships and kills many of
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Speaker 1: the Rebel soldiers, but they managed to pass along the
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Speaker 1: plans to another starship that escapes. Uh. Some archival footage
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Speaker 1: was used in this scene, and apparently they used vintage
20:13
Speaker 1: seventies lenses and asked like the dudes to grow mutton
20:16
Speaker 1: shops and mustaches to manage the seventies five pins? Is
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Speaker 1: there no Perkins? The two of them do show up.
20:25
Speaker 1: I look for Porkins. One character I knew outside of
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Speaker 1: R two D two Leia Luke Darth Vader Han, which
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Speaker 1: I don't even think on New Hans named Chewbacca, M
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Speaker 1: is Porkins. And even to this day, I don't even
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Speaker 1: think I'll remember any of the other generals. I just
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Speaker 1: know Porkins. Anyway, keep going anyway, Perkins deside aside Yes.
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Speaker 1: Princess Leia is revealed, and this is after bail Or
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Speaker 1: Ghana is like, I have some mine. I trust her
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Speaker 1: with my life. Who bail Or Gana obviously being her dad,
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Speaker 1: her doctor dad, and she assures the person that hands
21:05
Speaker 1: are the plans, that they contain hope. Uh. And the
21:08
Speaker 1: movie came out less than two weeks before Carrie Fisher's death,
21:11
Speaker 1: by the way, so it was really emotional when this happened,
21:14
Speaker 1: and it jumps right into a new hope that that's
21:17
Speaker 1: e seconds away. And just to really twist the nice
21:22
Speaker 1: Samantha and they altern an ending they lived, characters lived,
21:29
Speaker 1: but that sounds to here is the rage seating inside
21:35
Speaker 1: this was that this was the original ending. But I
21:38
Speaker 1: think some of the executives were like, oh gosh, this
21:40
Speaker 1: is so sad. Two have the damn droid live, my god,
21:47
Speaker 1: knowing Star Wars somehow that droid will show back up,
21:51
Speaker 1: like at least my God. I love him, He's one
21:55
Speaker 1: of my favorite actors. He needed to live. I was
21:59
Speaker 1: very upset put his left. Yeah, this is this is ridiculous. Okay,
22:06
Speaker 1: funny easter egg. The director stole the Death Star Plans prop,
22:11
Speaker 1: which I think is funny. Some reviews I liked that
22:13
Speaker 1: I wanted to include. George Lucas apparently said he liked
22:16
Speaker 1: this movie better than The Force Awakens, and the director
22:19
Speaker 1: of Rogue One said I can die happy now. David
22:22
Speaker 1: el Rich at Indy Ryer wrote a spirited but agonizing
22:25
Speaker 1: safe attempt to expand cinema's most holy blackbuster franchise and
22:29
Speaker 1: keep the wheels greased between proper installments, just a glorified
22:32
Speaker 1: excuse to rehet com some sense into one of the
22:34
Speaker 1: silliest things about the original. Mostly, I'm just really tickled
22:37
Speaker 1: by this because of everything that came after. Is this
22:42
Speaker 1: like a silly safe How is this safe? Everybody died? Well,
22:50
Speaker 1: there's a lot of funny things about this review in
22:53
Speaker 1: retrospect one of my favorite things. So he's alluding to
22:59
Speaker 1: they made this move V to explain one of the
23:01
Speaker 1: biggest kind of jokes plot holes. I wouldn't call it
23:05
Speaker 1: a plot hole, but it's just kind of silly that
23:08
Speaker 1: why would they have this like one place or if
23:11
Speaker 1: you shoot a blaster bolt down it, the whole thing
23:15
Speaker 1: blows up. So this was this movie was like, ah,
23:19
Speaker 1: we have your answer and it's so sad. Don't you
23:22
Speaker 1: feel terrible about making fun of it now? But wait,
23:26
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I didn't know the originals before Rogue One,
23:30
Speaker 1: But I thought that was the whole point of her
23:31
Speaker 1: having those plans. She did have plans, No, like I
23:35
Speaker 1: didn't get those plans that could show the weakness she did.
23:38
Speaker 1: They're saying the weakness is silly, Like as a plot point,
23:42
Speaker 1: that is very silly that they would have that built in,
23:45
Speaker 1: Like why would that exist? Oh, so that someone would
23:48
Speaker 1: portray the reason they Okay, yeah, that makes sense to me.
23:54
Speaker 1: I always made sense. It was always kind of like
23:56
Speaker 1: maybe a little suspension of disbelief, but also like, yeah,
24:00
Speaker 1: it's space. Now, I don't know anything about building spaceships
24:03
Speaker 1: for sure. Maybe this thing does lead directly to the
24:05
Speaker 1: corner is going to blow up. I don't know, um,
24:07
Speaker 1: but it has been in the Star Wars fandom very
24:11
Speaker 1: much joked about, and this movie was kind of like,
24:14
Speaker 1: ah ha, well this is why, and that's so much
24:18
Speaker 1: of what Star Wars fandom is. That's what they do. Yeah,
24:22
Speaker 1: and I like I could. I've talked before. A lot
24:27
Speaker 1: of Star Wars fandom is very toxic. A lot of
24:29
Speaker 1: it is very like well, actually, um, A lot of
24:33
Speaker 1: times it kind of if it's the smaller thing, it
24:35
Speaker 1: tickles me like I love the kind of like Carrie
24:40
Speaker 1: Fisher has this sort of British accent in the first one,
24:42
Speaker 1: or like a strange detached British accents, and they later
24:46
Speaker 1: explained it with that's a core accent, which really carry
24:50
Speaker 1: Fisher later said, no, it's because I went to school
24:52
Speaker 1: in London and that's kind of what I thought Royalty
24:55
Speaker 1: would sound like. Exactly, it's not all. They're not wrong, right,
25:02
Speaker 1: Like I never there was never any part of me
25:04
Speaker 1: that questioned that, but then a lot of fans did.
25:07
Speaker 1: So they wrote in an explanation like they always do this.
25:09
Speaker 1: It's like they're embarrassed that we found a plot hole. Um,
25:14
Speaker 1: but if it's something huge or like character altering, then
25:17
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Then I do not like it.
25:20
Speaker 1: And maybe it's is George Lucas being a bit of
25:22
Speaker 1: a narcissist who just can't be wrong, so he tries
25:24
Speaker 1: to correct it. Maybe maybe in this movie, which I
25:29
Speaker 1: do love and I don't think, I'm kind of not
25:31
Speaker 1: really talking about this, even though it is part of
25:33
Speaker 1: the culture that made this. Um, George Lucas didn't. He
25:37
Speaker 1: gave up control by this point, but he was sort
25:39
Speaker 1: of kind of notories for that. And that's why the
25:43
Speaker 1: who shot first with Greto and Han scene has changed
25:46
Speaker 1: so much, because well I don't know him, but in
25:51
Speaker 1: my in my understanding is because he kept changing his
25:55
Speaker 1: mind on like how we interpreted that scene and how
25:59
Speaker 1: he thought we should interpret that scene ultimately that he
26:03
Speaker 1: wanted you to Originally he kind of was more like Hans,
26:07
Speaker 1: a straight up smuggler at this point, and now he
26:11
Speaker 1: sort of seems to have come to the point where
26:12
Speaker 1: he wants you to believe Han was shooting his self defense.
26:16
Speaker 1: So basically what I'm saying is this franchise is Are
26:20
Speaker 1: we supposed to think that Han is like all the time,
26:23
Speaker 1: has always been a good guy or something. Is that
26:25
Speaker 1: what we're supposed to believe because he is not. I
26:28
Speaker 1: don't think so, But we're supposed to think he's better valiant.
26:35
Speaker 1: I think we're just which again, like I literally and
26:39
Speaker 1: maybe it says something about me, But I never really
26:41
Speaker 1: thought about it that way. Like I just was like, Okay,
26:44
Speaker 1: he has this character arc where he comes to care
26:46
Speaker 1: about people, But I thought his whole character arg was
26:49
Speaker 1: like caring about people but doesn't want to show his
26:50
Speaker 1: weakness and he'd rather whatever that means. But I think
26:57
Speaker 1: that for whatever reason, George Lucas in that one scene
27:02
Speaker 1: as because it's four times which, by the way, I'm
27:07
Speaker 1: going to see a new Hope in theaters on Revenge
27:11
Speaker 1: of the Fifth May five, and uh, I've heard that
27:16
Speaker 1: it's going to cause a lot of drama because no
27:18
Speaker 1: one knows what version they're showing. Yeah, immediately, oh I
27:25
Speaker 1: will know. Oh if they don't have the green text
27:27
Speaker 1: in the beginning that I already know, already already know.
27:31
Speaker 1: I actually really honestly don't care. I don't think it's
27:33
Speaker 1: worth getting that upset about I have my preferred version,
27:35
Speaker 1: but whatever, Yes, I know, you know, but that's I mean,
27:38
Speaker 1: that's another great example is that he kept coming in
27:40
Speaker 1: and like adding these things and trying to change it.
27:43
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that was due to
27:44
Speaker 1: the fam dialogue that happens around these um So, is
27:49
Speaker 1: that a good quality of bad quality? Do you think?
27:52
Speaker 1: I don't think the examples we have, I don't think
27:56
Speaker 1: it's a good quality. I think there are instances where
27:59
Speaker 1: it could have been, especially like something is really problematic,
28:03
Speaker 1: even though they had an example of that book of
28:05
Speaker 1: Boba Fett and they just handled it in the very
28:07
Speaker 1: worst way I thought, But they didn't. They didn't acknowledge.
28:10
Speaker 1: They just were like never might forget that happened. It
28:14
Speaker 1: was like that we just totally changed that now, right,
28:18
Speaker 1: I remember. So I think there are instances where it
28:22
Speaker 1: could be good. Most of the examples we get in
28:25
Speaker 1: this fandom, I don't think are that. And I do
28:29
Speaker 1: think like there's just a part of me that's like
28:33
Speaker 1: let it go, Like it's so the people fans are
28:36
Speaker 1: gonna nitpick. A lot of these fans are are the worst.
28:39
Speaker 1: Let's just be real. We don't need to cater to them.
28:41
Speaker 1: Like it's whatever, just ignore them. It's fine, and we
28:47
Speaker 1: liked them. It was a fun like fairy tale promp.
28:51
Speaker 1: We don't need to explain that I keep this thing
28:56
Speaker 1: can sound like I don't like this. I love, to
28:58
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't really take it a legitimate leave
29:01
Speaker 1: since it wasn't filmed in matter of space. I think
29:05
Speaker 1: Samantha's referencing my favorite criticism I think you are that
29:09
Speaker 1: I've ever read of Return of the Jedi is clearly
29:12
Speaker 1: it was filmed on Earth, and I'm sure was was.
29:18
Speaker 1: I get what they're saying, but that's also very ignorant
29:20
Speaker 1: because there are desserts on Earth. They filmed that on
29:22
Speaker 1: Earth too. It's just you don't live in a desert,
29:25
Speaker 1: you don't live in an ice place. Anyway. His fellow
29:30
Speaker 1: was very mad about the fact that he thought, I
29:32
Speaker 1: guess a forest would never exist in space, and this
29:37
Speaker 1: was clearly filmed on Earth. Star Wars fans uh speaking
29:44
Speaker 1: of there was a lot of criticism of the digital
29:46
Speaker 1: recreations of Tarkan and Leah, which again kind of tickles me,
29:50
Speaker 1: given what we're dealing with now, what we're seeing now.
29:52
Speaker 1: This was one of the first instances because Carrie Fisher
29:55
Speaker 1: did die around this time. The actory played Tarkan had
29:58
Speaker 1: been dead for a while where we were there was
30:02
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about the ethics of it, because
30:04
Speaker 1: she obviously didn't sign a contract that said she didn't
30:08
Speaker 1: sign a contract. Was informed knowledge that that was an option,
30:12
Speaker 1: that that was a thing like you do sort of
30:15
Speaker 1: sign away your likeness a lot of times for these things.
30:18
Speaker 1: But this is different than that. This is like recreating you,
30:23
Speaker 1: and that's kind of a yeah. As in fact, there's
30:28
Speaker 1: been apparently a whole concert show in Las Vegas with
30:32
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston really and they've been selling out. So I
30:38
Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't dug deeper into it. I didn't
30:41
Speaker 1: even know this existed. I knew it's been happened because
30:44
Speaker 1: you know, we know Tupac had a performance just but
30:47
Speaker 1: it was like one performance. This is whole shows apparently,
30:52
Speaker 1: And I don't know who's getting the money. That has
30:53
Speaker 1: a lot of questions because our daughter died, um, so
30:57
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure who gets that who Yeah, uh, yeah,
31:02
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's a concern that I've had, kind of
31:07
Speaker 1: the like monetary aspect, who owns your who owns you?
31:10
Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of YouTube videos about it lately. Well,
31:13
Speaker 1: like that's what we're having again. We're kind of I
31:15
Speaker 1: will come back, but like jet Lee would not do
31:18
Speaker 1: Nitrix because he didn't want his moves recorded to be
31:21
Speaker 1: right that way, right, Yeah, and I like that. Yeah,
31:27
Speaker 1: we're getting into a whole separate conversation. But one of
31:29
Speaker 1: the reasons I really really love the Originals and I
31:33
Speaker 1: think they work and there's a lot of the nostalgia involved,
31:36
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to deny that, but I do
31:37
Speaker 1: think like Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill, they brought something
31:43
Speaker 1: to it, like personal to it, and it was and
31:49
Speaker 1: they I just feel like they gave so much of
31:51
Speaker 1: themselves and they were so genuine in those roles and
31:54
Speaker 1: they shaped them. And Harrison for did a great job,
31:56
Speaker 1: but I think like more so because he kind of
31:59
Speaker 1: has that whole persona vibe anyway, But they kind of
32:01
Speaker 1: like really gave this themselves to it and they didn't
32:05
Speaker 1: do too much outside of it. Um that was huge.
32:09
Speaker 1: Like they've done a lot of work that they don't
32:11
Speaker 1: get a lot of notice for and a lot of
32:12
Speaker 1: it's great and they should get more recognition. But that's
32:15
Speaker 1: why I think like it's missing, it's missing something, and
32:18
Speaker 1: there's that's also on Canny Valley stuff we're talking about,
32:21
Speaker 1: but it is a part of this conversation for sure.
32:24
Speaker 1: And I heard, I mean, and I heard a lot
32:26
Speaker 1: of mixed when this came out. It was really emotional
32:29
Speaker 1: because she had just died, but I heard a lot
32:31
Speaker 1: of mixed reactions to it. I got emotional too, but
32:35
Speaker 1: it was still kind of like whoa, um, and that
32:40
Speaker 1: those conversations are obviously playing out right now. Um with
32:44
Speaker 1: all the stuff in Mandelorian a bookfet also of interest.
32:51
Speaker 1: This movie came out soon after Donald Trump's presidential victory,
32:56
Speaker 1: and screenwriter White's tweeted, please note that the Empire is
32:59
Speaker 1: a white supremacist human organization. And that's it's been really
33:03
Speaker 1: interesting of like a lot of really right leading Republicans
33:08
Speaker 1: don't seem to realize like the Empire is bad. Like
33:12
Speaker 1: they tweet like the death Star stuff, and I'm like, right,
33:16
Speaker 1: everyone was like, dude, you well even the songs Republicans
33:20
Speaker 1: used the like that's something that's not what Yeah, No,
33:26
Speaker 1: I don't think you're listening to this. Like when they
33:28
Speaker 1: started doing Rage against the Machine, You're like literally you're
33:31
Speaker 1: the machine. It's strange, very strange to me. And you know,
33:38
Speaker 1: I have to mention we've been talking a lot about
33:39
Speaker 1: fan fandom. I found this whole thing about fan fiction
33:42
Speaker 1: this movie, and I wanted to include a quote about
33:45
Speaker 1: Star Wars fandom and fans from the New York Times
33:48
Speaker 1: after this movie came out. Quote. The dominant cultural image
33:52
Speaker 1: of a Star Wars fan maybe a lightsaber wielding fanboy.
33:55
Speaker 1: But women have always been essential creators in this span universe.
33:58
Speaker 1: They started early and clubs and mailed out fanzines like
34:01
Speaker 1: Skywalker and Moonbeam, packed with fiction, essays and art. In
34:07
Speaker 1: Pat Knuseman published an essay and the zine Al Dran
34:10
Speaker 1: that described a female fandom so rich and vast that
34:13
Speaker 1: she was prompted to ask where are the men? She continued,
34:17
Speaker 1: Male names are rare, and columns are fancy and order list,
34:20
Speaker 1: male faces scarce at media conventions, and the number of
34:23
Speaker 1: men writing are drawing or editing, and media fandom so
34:26
Speaker 1: minimal as to be practically non existent. So I think
34:30
Speaker 1: this is interesting because we've talked about this with the eighties.
34:35
Speaker 1: It was very much simplifying the eighties when that's when
34:37
Speaker 1: returned the Jedi came out, That's when this essay was
34:40
Speaker 1: being written. At that point, Star Wars was very equal
34:44
Speaker 1: um publicly, but that's when all this gendering of toys
34:50
Speaker 1: and stuff happened in Star Wars. Like, as much as
34:52
Speaker 1: I love it was very much the sort of thing
34:55
Speaker 1: that launched toys like movie merchandise that's tired of or
35:00
Speaker 1: it's the thing that popularized it and made it huge,
35:04
Speaker 1: And so I think we see this sort of flip
35:08
Speaker 1: of it being seen as a boys thing, and by
35:12
Speaker 1: this point, when Rogue one came out, it's still that's
35:15
Speaker 1: still the image, even though I think a lot of
35:17
Speaker 1: the fandom, especially the kind of the perhaps less seeing fandom,
35:21
Speaker 1: is women for sure. All Right, but let's talk about
35:38
Speaker 1: some stuff. Let's talk about Jin, the main character, who
35:42
Speaker 1: is a character who's not born into politics. She's not
35:45
Speaker 1: born with the Force, but decides to fight for what
35:47
Speaker 1: she sees us right anyway, So this is actually unique.
35:49
Speaker 1: When you think about past heroes and heroines in Star Wars,
35:53
Speaker 1: they usually have some kind of relation to somebody, or
35:57
Speaker 1: they have the Force most likely both all are they
36:01
Speaker 1: born into politics. She comes into her own as a
36:04
Speaker 1: leader as far as costuming. She wasn't sexualized, and this
36:09
Speaker 1: was kind of an upsettingly big deal at the time.
36:12
Speaker 1: I remember reading a bunch of articles about it, like, well,
36:15
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she's wearing boots, she's ready for combat. Um,
36:19
Speaker 1: she's wearing situation appropriate clothes. She's wearing like these shades
36:24
Speaker 1: of browns and gray. Her hair is in a simple
36:27
Speaker 1: style too. I mean you maybe you wouldn't be shocked,
36:29
Speaker 1: but people wrote so much about it, and I remember
36:33
Speaker 1: noticing it. When I saw it, I was like, oh, wow, Okay,
36:36
Speaker 1: she's changed. She's competent, she's never really the damsel in distress.
36:40
Speaker 1: She's tough, but she's still kind. She saves this little
36:44
Speaker 1: girl despite the strong I give no attitude she's trying
36:46
Speaker 1: to pull off at first, uh, and she's willing to
36:49
Speaker 1: listen and change and lead. She knows how to fight,
36:52
Speaker 1: she's strong, she's good weapons. Um. I kind of always
36:55
Speaker 1: hesitate with that stuff because it's like masculine terror a tory,
37:00
Speaker 1: and I don't know that it should be lauded, but
37:02
Speaker 1: it's also you don't see women doing that often, Like
37:06
Speaker 1: she can take care of herself. I guess it's the
37:07
Speaker 1: best way to gut it. She's unique in being the
37:10
Speaker 1: lead as it's her alone, although some might argue it's
37:14
Speaker 1: her and Cassian, but like normally it's like On and
37:17
Speaker 1: Leah or Anakin and pat May. They've sort of her right,
37:22
Speaker 1: yah see, it is just there for the hug. It's
37:24
Speaker 1: a damn good hug. I know you hate it, but
37:26
Speaker 1: it's so good still. She's pretty much the only woman
37:31
Speaker 1: of character of note. Other than some other cameos, only
37:35
Speaker 1: of the film's dialogue was spoken by women. Cassian spoke
37:39
Speaker 1: more than Jin did. She's kind of like, of course,
37:43
Speaker 1: her face was. I was watching it the other day.
37:46
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, she's always unhappy, and I guess
37:48
Speaker 1: it's always unhappy here. Um it does. It was very sad.
37:58
Speaker 1: I know it does past the backdel test, but we
38:01
Speaker 1: know that is not the end. Ambi all another thing
38:04
Speaker 1: we've talked about, and a lot of this, a lot
38:06
Speaker 1: of the entertainment that's really popular. A lot of her
38:09
Speaker 1: actions are influenced by men, are are precipitated by men,
38:13
Speaker 1: So like her dad kind of draws her in and
38:15
Speaker 1: the Cassie kind of draws her in. Things like that.
38:19
Speaker 1: This was the most diverse Star Wars film when it
38:21
Speaker 1: came out easily, and many expressed annoyance and concern that
38:26
Speaker 1: there were these characters of color, but they were almost
38:28
Speaker 1: seen as a footnote and they didn't receive as much
38:31
Speaker 1: attention or even merchandise. And lack of women of color
38:34
Speaker 1: in substantial roles, and I think we talked about this
38:37
Speaker 1: in the Sequelstorm, but almost always the lead role for
38:39
Speaker 1: a woman in Star Wars petite, white, brown haired woman
38:43
Speaker 1: and very pretty, yeah, but genetically Hollywood things to her.
38:48
Speaker 1: But like, I really like she reminds me of someone
38:51
Speaker 1: else that I've never seen because I've never seen her
38:52
Speaker 1: in another movie, But she reminds me of ABC. Mm hmm.
38:59
Speaker 1: This the toys thing, Bridget and I did a whole
39:04
Speaker 1: episode on it, and it's really a big deal. Like
39:07
Speaker 1: I know, it sounds sort of silly, but they choose things,
39:10
Speaker 1: they choose characters and genders about what they think toys
39:14
Speaker 1: will sell. And so this whole thing could have been
39:16
Speaker 1: in response to what happened with Ray Toys and the
39:19
Speaker 1: Force Awakens, where there were no Ray Toys. Even though
39:23
Speaker 1: she's the main character. It was this huge fiasco. They
39:27
Speaker 1: still haven't gotten it great, right. I also seem to
39:31
Speaker 1: recall a lot of discussion about Cheering and Blaze possibly
39:34
Speaker 1: being the first queer couple in Star Wars, but that
39:37
Speaker 1: has never been confirmed as far as I know, And
39:39
Speaker 1: I remember at the time there was this meme because
39:42
Speaker 1: there was an announcement like, We're finally going to have
39:45
Speaker 1: the first queer couple in Star Wars, and then it
39:47
Speaker 1: was like two characters nobody had ever heard of. Please
39:50
Speaker 1: don't yell at me if I'm wrong, but I just
39:51
Speaker 1: remember it being we thought it was going to be
39:53
Speaker 1: then maybe, and then it was I think it was
39:56
Speaker 1: two characters from one of the animated shows. I will say,
40:00
Speaker 1: though I know they talked about they love each other,
40:02
Speaker 1: but even me in my head, I was like it
40:04
Speaker 1: could be platonic and I didn't really grasp all of that,
40:09
Speaker 1: not that I needed them to make out or anything,
40:11
Speaker 1: but it still was like they played it safe. Nonetheless,
40:15
Speaker 1: did I like their bond, absolutely, but I feel like
40:18
Speaker 1: it could have been any real like brotherhood, even like
40:21
Speaker 1: that's that level that you just don't know. So even
40:25
Speaker 1: if they were, I feel like they just said it
40:27
Speaker 1: to kind of say it, but they kept it safe
40:30
Speaker 1: so that people didn't get mad. At them and them
40:32
Speaker 1: being the creators. Yeah. Yeah, And I think like we
40:37
Speaker 1: sort of talked about this in Creeerbating the Creerbating episode,
40:39
Speaker 1: and it's really a complicated subject. I think we basically
40:42
Speaker 1: we just need to normalize queer relationships because I also
40:45
Speaker 1: want to see these platonic relationships, Like I want to
40:49
Speaker 1: see that too. But that's the thing is like, if
40:54
Speaker 1: it's queer, then that's great. But if it's also like
40:57
Speaker 1: two men can actually love each other like this and
40:59
Speaker 1: it's still be platon Let's normalize that and make that healthy.
41:02
Speaker 1: A woman a man can't be friends and love each
41:04
Speaker 1: other but not love each other and be platonic. Let's
41:09
Speaker 1: normalize that. It doesn't all have to be sexual. Agree,
41:12
Speaker 1: I love it. That's totally That's how I feel too.
41:15
Speaker 1: Another theme throughout this is definitely father daughter relationships. Daddy
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Speaker 1: issues continue. That's big theme and Star Wars big. So
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Speaker 1: you have Jen with Galen obviously, but also Saw who
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Speaker 1: was sort of her adoptive caretaker for a while and
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Speaker 1: her really wanting him to be proud of her, which
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Speaker 1: is not a problem, it's just kind of something we
41:40
Speaker 1: see a lot. Also the death of the mother, which
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Speaker 1: is a recurring theme and a lot of our entertainment,
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Speaker 1: including Star Wars. Yeah, I was like actually counting it
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Speaker 1: the other day and I'm like, oh, yeah, Pad made
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Speaker 1: like I was. It is though I know you hate
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Speaker 1: it when I bring this up, but I read this
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Speaker 1: essay about like, how do you for a kid's movie?
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Speaker 1: How do you draw them in? And it's like, immediately
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Speaker 1: you have to have the emotional trauma, like the thing,
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Speaker 1: the loss, just because the kids don't have the attention span.
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Speaker 1: So I can't decide if I like, if I appreciated
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Speaker 1: the death of the mother in this movie because it
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Speaker 1: seemed unnecessary, irrational and just out of nowhere, Like is
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Speaker 1: it a good thing that she was willing to fight
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Speaker 1: against them and not be taken in like her father
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Speaker 1: who got taken in and instead of you know, fighting
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Speaker 1: with her, just let her die or is it is
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Speaker 1: it her being just unnecessarily wild and not willing to
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Speaker 1: be there for her daughter, like those two conflicts in me.
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Speaker 1: But also why right? I mean, I think that that
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Speaker 1: is a good point, and I think that I've seen
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Speaker 1: a lot of these conversations play out where it's hard
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Speaker 1: because I'm not a parent, so I can't say, but
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a point of a lot to what
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. I've seen it also like I don't
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Speaker 1: want to I love this movie. That doesn't mean that
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Speaker 1: they were clearly like trying to have an emotional thing
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Speaker 1: and put her on her own and it, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe doesn't make the most sense. But also she'd been
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Speaker 1: that traumatized and been stolen by renegades who also abandoned her,
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Speaker 1: she would have had a lot more issues. You know
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Speaker 1: what we say, you always say this, sorry, but it's true.
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Speaker 1: Keep going on. Actually had a lot of issues. She
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Speaker 1: seemed to go past them pretty quickly. She said she's
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Speaker 1: not used to people sticking around when things go bad.
43:37
Speaker 1: Another thing I saw pop up a lot was this
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Speaker 1: theme of believing women because Gin is the only surviving
43:43
Speaker 1: person who saw the message from Galen saying like there
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Speaker 1: is this I put in this h flaw on the
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Speaker 1: death story. You need to get the plans. And when
43:52
Speaker 1: she they talked about it, it's like kind of alliance
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Speaker 1: rebellion meeting people don't believe her because she's the only
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Speaker 1: one that's hot because she's his daughter. And later when
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Speaker 1: she's sort of like I'm going anyway I'll go alone.
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Speaker 1: All these people come up and support her, and Cassian says,
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Speaker 1: I believe you. And then, as I mentioned earlier, toxic masculinity,
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Speaker 1: which we talked about a lot in the sequel one
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Speaker 1: because the Last Jedi is like a whole study on toxic.
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Speaker 1: But so you have all these dudes, You've got Vader,
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Speaker 1: you've got tark and you've got Critic basically being really
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Speaker 1: petty with each other to get more right, right, And
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Speaker 1: I felt like I was watching when they do the
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Speaker 1: soap operas with women that it was beautiful. I totally agree.
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Speaker 1: And for something we because we hold masculine things about
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Speaker 1: feminine things, this is acceptable, but soap proper thing like
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Speaker 1: you should be that's a guilty pleasure, right, Well, it's
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Speaker 1: acceptable because at least someone dies. You need that action.
44:53
Speaker 1: Apparently just being portrayed and crying. Mm hmmm, well yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess you know you're right, You're not wrong. Violence
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Speaker 1: some type of like aggressive behavior. Um, and I don't know,
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Speaker 1: there's just something about me that gets some joy out
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Speaker 1: of that. I know it's not good, but this made
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Speaker 1: me laugh that they're all kind of like and there's
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Speaker 1: some really great Tarken Invader shade that happens. I love
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Speaker 1: it because Tarkin knows he's too high for Vader to
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Speaker 1: kill him, so I really enjoy watching them go at it.
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Speaker 1: They do that a lot in comics. You can see
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Speaker 1: there's some really good, really good exchanges. And then I
45:37
Speaker 1: found this interesting. A lot of things, a lot of
45:40
Speaker 1: articles I read. We're talking about how this is a
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Speaker 1: movie about war and politics or avoiding politics, and the
45:46
Speaker 1: timing when it came out was really interesting. Um, picking
45:50
Speaker 1: and choosing when to be political, losing sight of things
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Speaker 1: in war. So you have Cassie and being like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I didn't get to pick and choose when I'm in
45:58
Speaker 1: the rebellion. I've been in this since I was six.
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Speaker 1: We've also got the everyday heroism, so I thought that
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Speaker 1: was really interesting. I mean, I can't talk about this.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna it's gonna be open a whole thing. But
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Speaker 1: I I thought that was really interesting because you kind
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Speaker 1: of get to see like all these different people and
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Speaker 1: where they're coming from and why, and it's not always pretty,
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Speaker 1: I guess, and then hope. You know, it's really dark,
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Speaker 1: but rebellions are built on hope. She's giving me the
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Speaker 1: most unimpressed face. Oh, I do like that she gives
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Speaker 1: that speech. I like that she kind of steps up.
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Speaker 1: I don't know because everybody yeah, and then she dies. Yeah,
46:53
Speaker 1: they got a good hug out of it, though. You
46:58
Speaker 1: know what I'm learning through this. If you your favorite
47:01
Speaker 1: fan fiction tag would be everybody lives nobody dies, which
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Speaker 1: is a tag. I just need a few. I don't
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Speaker 1: need everybody. I need a few people to live. Yeah. Well,
47:12
Speaker 1: when I was watching Esty, I was like, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: Lea lives, but then she's not on that she's not
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Speaker 1: on that planet. And yeah she does, and she doesn't
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Speaker 1: have a happy marriage. Nothing is happy. This is why
47:24
Speaker 1: you need headcannon. My headcanon is very well oiled. It's
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Speaker 1: like nothing in the sequels, or maybe some stuff, but
47:34
Speaker 1: only the good stuff. Did you talk about Hans the
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Speaker 1: Solo movie movie? I like, I do kill off of
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Speaker 1: several of my favorite characters, but at least several people live. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and also Kira, who's the love interest in that one,
47:56
Speaker 1: because she is a badass. She is, she does not
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Speaker 1: need to be his love interest. He fights Vader and wins. Yes.
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Speaker 1: In a recent comic, isn't that wild? Wow? But yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's done. For that, I would love to talk about that.
48:09
Speaker 1: I can also kind of complain about how John Favril
48:11
Speaker 1: has all these voice cameos and things that kind of
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Speaker 1: a polished me so different characters and Star Wars. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: At least he's not injecting himself as a person, like
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Speaker 1: his whole body in his face everywhere. Anyway, I have
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Speaker 1: no real problem with him. I just might wait a minute,
48:39
Speaker 1: you can't be this, but can't I know I have
48:43
Speaker 1: no power in this. Really wish I did. Maybe one day,
48:48
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to start a scheme. We
48:54
Speaker 1: really went off the rails on this one. I like,
48:57
Speaker 1: I feel like we touched on some real good fitness issues.
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Speaker 1: We also touched on things that we're just Star Wars
49:02
Speaker 1: were like. Anyway, Happy Star Wars Day, May the fourth
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49:28
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