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Johanna Helps · Divas That Care Network

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  SPEAKER_00: It's Divas That Care Radio.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right now, though, stay tuned for another jolt of inspiration.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, hello everyone
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  SPEAKER_01: and welcome back to the Divas That Care.
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  SPEAKER_01: My name is Candice Gish.
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  SPEAKER_01: If this is your very first time tuning into the Divas That Care, a huge welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are now in our 14th year.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are listened to in over 30 countries around the world and honestly is because of all of our amazing guests, our tribe, our hosts, everybody that's been a part of our Divas That Care and that has really supported us in our mission to get beautiful stories out there and to inspire people around the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: So as I said, if this is your very first time, thank you so much for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I'm going to be introducing you to a brand new diva to our family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her name is Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Joanna O'Flattery and I am so excited to be talking with her today.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's got a great story and I know that she's going to inspire each and every one of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So welcome to the program, Joanna.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good morning, Candice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, I'm so excited that we're finally able to connect.
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  SPEAKER_01: This has been something that we've been working on for quite a while now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is, with my schedule and your schedule.
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  SPEAKER_02: And good morning, listeners.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Johanna O'Flaherty.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a psychologist, but I'm a crisis psychologist, and I work from a depth psychological perspective, which is from the work of Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Carl Jung.
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  SPEAKER_02: For your audience, I also, one of my specialties is substance abuse.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am, and I want the audience to know this, I'm a woman in personal recovery, and I've been in recovery for 46 years, which has been one of the greatest gifts I've been given.
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  SPEAKER_02: So My experience is very varied.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was born in Ireland, came to the States to fly as a flight attendant for Pan American and did that for many years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I started Pan American's Employee Assistance Program, and I was in their medical department when Lockerbie happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was an aviation disaster.
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  SPEAKER_02: The aircraft blew up over Lockerbie in 1988, killing everybody, of course, on the aircraft.
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  SPEAKER_02: And people on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that launched my career into crisis psychology, very different from just working with groups and working with one-on-one.
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  SPEAKER_02: After that, I became really a passionate pioneer in making sure that airlines had the proper training to respond to the families of the victims.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that was incredibly exciting and inspiring.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was working with the ATA, which was the Air Transport Association.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Pan American went under in 1992 and TWA recruited me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I worked with TWA and took that program over to TWA and we had a very, very, very robust program.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in 1996, TWA had a horrific airline crash.
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  SPEAKER_02: Their flight 800 en route to Paris was exploded over Long Island Sound, killing everybody on board.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: By the way, ladies and gentlemen, I have written my memoir.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is titled Flight with Weighted Wings, and it covers everything that I'm talking about today in depth.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it is available on Amazon.
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  SPEAKER_02: So after that, after TWA, I left the airlines in 2003.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to go in and work more closely with doing more clinical work.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was hired by the Betty Ford Center, the world-renowned Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage, California.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was the vice president of treatment services there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I thought, you know, I am pretty much done with...
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  SPEAKER_02: crisis psychology.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was at the Betty Ford Center for over seven years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I got an opportunity to run a treatment center and become the CEO of a treatment center up here in Vegas.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I accepted the position, came to Vegas.
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  SPEAKER_02: There was a little write-up about me in the newspaper and that I was an expert in crisis psychology.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the firefighters from Henderson called me to see if I could help them with their program.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called a critical instance stress management program.
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  SPEAKER_02: Essentially, my role is teaching a two-day protocol to the firefighters and the police on how they can really assist in supporting each other with a very specialized methodology of doing a debriefing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought, okay, fine, I'll help them.
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  SPEAKER_02: This was like 2000, the end of 2015 and 2016, maybe in 17, early 17.
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  SPEAKER_02: So prior to October 1, 2017, when the United States experienced the worst shooting in the history of the United States here in Vegas, the perpetrator shot 58 individuals.
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  SPEAKER_02: And of course, then the perpetrator was 59.
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  SPEAKER_02: And while I thought I had left crisis management, I was right back in the middle of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what was spectacular and amazing and probably universally and God-inspired was there were 200 first responders trained in the methodology of critical instance debriefing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I worked with them.
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  SPEAKER_02: I worked with the first responders, which of course are the firefighters and the police.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I got introduced to the coroner.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I worked with the last responders, which working at the coroner's office, helping the coroner's staff was really sort of sacred.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was sort of sacrosanct.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that is a brief history of my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: My varied background.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your extraordinary life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've been doing this work for over 30 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's my background, Candice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just listening to you and I'm in absolute awe of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think you're an extraordinary woman, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Joanna.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just can't imagine the things that you've done and seen, but also the people that you've helped over the years.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's absolutely extraordinary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for sharing that story with us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, young counselors, you know, say to me, well, they want to be therapists, they want to be this and they want to be that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I love working with young people.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I say, you know, for me, and this is my experience, I was called into this work.
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't something that I really sort of dreamed about doing all my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: I loved flying when I was a flight attendant and an in-flight purser, loved it, and was a trainer for the Flight Service Department.
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  SPEAKER_02: So because of that component of my background, I still work with airlines.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just came back from Baltimore, where I presented to over 500 flight attendants from all airlines.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called FDAP.
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  SPEAKER_02: FADAP, which is Flight Attendant Drug and Alcohol Program.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are peer flight attendants that help other flight attendants that have problems.
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  SPEAKER_02: And during COVID, we started Zoom support groups for frontline workers, which were nurses, doctors, and anybody involved actually in the medical world, in the hospitals.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then we started support groups for flight attendants.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're still doing a support group, believe it or not, Candice, for your part of the world, for Air Canada.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's
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  SPEAKER_02: amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we meet, we used to meet once a week, but now we meet once a month because, you know, their needs are not, they are not as well, don't require such assistance.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's very exciting.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I keep busy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have also on Zoom, two other small books.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a book called Daddy Goes to Meeting.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is a book for children and it is illustrated.
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  SPEAKER_02: I co-authored that book.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also there's an e-book, which is the correlation between trauma and subsequent addiction.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's an e-book downloadable for a couple of dollars.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, my memoir, which is my life history, my involvement with my work and my upbringing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So My background, while yes indeed it is very impressive, I want to share with the audience that, you know, I think just follow the call, but also surround yourself with people that can help.
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  SPEAKER_02: Stay away from the naysayers.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are many out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in today's world, there's a lot of really toxic negativity.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it is essential that we are surrounded by positive people, but realistic people.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't want to move into the toxic positivity, which is, you know, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I call it the Malibu vibes, only positive vibes, only positive vibes.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's no such thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Life is a combination of joy and pain.
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  SPEAKER_02: real joy and pain, but we can still find our, I call it, find our support system, find our group, like our divas that are out there, and let's keep our eye on the goal.
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  SPEAKER_02: Whatever your goal is, if there's a lot of young people tuning in, I would like to encourage them to find a mentor.
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  SPEAKER_02: The old days, we used to have mentors.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had an incredible mentor because I went into the field of psychology, which is mental health.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I found them.
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  SPEAKER_02: I found the best mentors, psychiatrists and people that were really leaders in the field of mental health.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then find a mentor, but there's another component of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Listen to them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Many times when we come out of graduate school, oh, we think we know everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Boy, are we a pain in the ass.
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  SPEAKER_02: My Irish upbringing had quite humbled me because I came from a very humble background and I respected people in authority, people that earned my respect.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just because we're in the position of authority doesn't necessarily mean that we've earned the credibility of being respected.
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  SPEAKER_02: We see that today.
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  SPEAKER_02: We see that today in our politics.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm not going to go there, Candice.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what else do you have?
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I really love and I respect that you said that because we're all about that here, too, is supporting and having those mentorships.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that when we collaborate and we can work together and we find those people and surround ourselves with people that can uplift us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Teach us and support us.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's so important to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's essential, it's essential.
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  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise we're wandering around like wandering in the woods and we might know our way in, but, and this is a beautiful metaphor and it just came to me, but when we get stuck with clients and our work, we don't know our way out unless we have great mentors that have shown us how to get out of complicated situations, work with complicated patients.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's quite lovely, actually.
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  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, training, essentially training.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is there training for these positions?
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  SPEAKER_02: There absolutely is.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's graduate and remember, graduate school is just the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_02: Graduate school is just the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's when we start working that and we're in the trenches.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's when the learning happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: And
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  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: I love what you're saying.
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  SPEAKER_01: These amazing tips that you're talking about is extraordinary.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can't wait for you did do a plug in for your book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you just mention the where they can get the book again, just so that they can go and pick a copy up?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: yeah, they can get the book on Amazon.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if the title is flight with weighted wings.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, that title is a metaphor.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the book is really psychologically based but it does talk about my uh my personal life but also my work in in disasters and uh the title really means even though we have problems we can still soar we might have waited wings but we can still soar and it's available on amazon And it's available, you know, on Barnes and Nobles and other places.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I know today we probably all, unfortunately, we shop on Amazon because why do I need to get in my car and go to a bookstore?
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  SPEAKER_02: Regrettably, when I can just click, you know, purchase and it's here the next day or sometimes then that evening for me because I live in Vegas and, you know, so it's really quick.
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  SPEAKER_02: So available on Amazon.
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  SPEAKER_02: My web page is www.johannahhelps.org.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, that is www.johannahhelps.org.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that name.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was going to tell you that before is that when I first went to your website, I thought it was like an extraordinary name.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just love that you're sharing it with our listeners.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So
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  SPEAKER_01: Joanna, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Joanna, would you tell me what is next for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: What is on your plate for the future?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, right now I have a very small private practice and I do a lot of public speaking.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that is probably it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I will probably work on another book because there's a lot of, including my own early book, Trauma and Addiction, but there's a lot of There's a lot of work that's out there which is wonderful on trauma and addiction.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was one of the pioneers in this work 25 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm really thinking, contemplating, conceptualizing, writing a book on how do we do, how do we operationalize the treatment We talk about trauma-informed treatment.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's lovely.
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  SPEAKER_02: How do we operationalize this?
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  SPEAKER_02: So that is what I'm tossing around right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I need a break.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that won't happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I were to do that, I would start in January.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we all have to look after ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's probably something that you've learned, obviously, over the years.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's something that's taken me a while to realize.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think as we get older and we go through different things, we realize how much we need to look after ourselves also.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness, you brought up a subject matter that I'm so passionate about, and that is self-care.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if there's any people listening to this podcast that are working in the field, no matter what you're working on, homemaker, taking care of children, this is the hardest job in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really, folks, your self-care needs to be intentional.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I found that out the hard way.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got burned out.
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  SPEAKER_02: many, many times in my area of work.
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  SPEAKER_02: Burned out is really great because you burn out, you go through it, you come out the other end, but it's very painful when you're going through it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So to me, self-care is not something we put on the shelf.
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  SPEAKER_02: Self-care is intentional.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, there's so much, I mean, come on, I live in the States and you live in North America.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's so much on self-care and gym and this and it's all wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the core element of self-care is a food plan.
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  SPEAKER_02: What do you eat?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, they come to my practice and they're in the gym, you know, two hours every day and this and this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I say, what do you eat?
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's a component of, for me, you know, self-care is physically, emotionally, four components, intellectually and spiritually.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you find your way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Physically, of course, is, you know, we take care of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: You do your yoga, you do whatever you're doing, Tai Chi, Pilates or whatever you're doing in the gym.
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  SPEAKER_02: But also a component of that is proper.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to call it diet because, you know, that means to me the old connotation of restriction.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your health care, food plan, emotional health.
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  SPEAKER_02: Surround yourself with people that are going to support you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Surround yourself with positive emotional people and avoid toxic positivity and naysayers.
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  SPEAKER_02: If they're not willing to listen and be part of the positive group that you're trying to build, quite frankly, there is nothing we can do for them intellectually.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, And this is very much part of our self-care, my prescription for self-care.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are we doing intellectually to improve our knowledge?
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  SPEAKER_02: Whatever that is, what are we doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Are we taking 10 minutes a day to know what's going on?
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, I advise my clients and I advise my people when I'm working with them in the aftermath of a disaster to avoid watching TV.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you don't need the images of negative, negative, negative.
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  SPEAKER_02: I suggest reading it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Read it, subscribe to whatever papers you need and watch a little bit of the public broadcasting companies are usually the best because they report the news.
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  SPEAKER_02: Report the news rather than telling me what to think.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm quite capable of thinking for myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is so essential at this time in our world, because an election is coming up in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is not for the United States alone.
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  SPEAKER_02: It influences the whole world.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's important for us to be informed, but practice our critical thinking.
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  SPEAKER_02: We all have it.
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  SPEAKER_02: We all have it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Homemakers, you are doing critical thinking every day, every day, trying to, what's going to, what are you going to cook?
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  SPEAKER_02: What are you going to, how are you going to take care of the kids, the school, the games, and so on?
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  SPEAKER_02: So you are, you're scientists in so many ways, multitasking.
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  SPEAKER_02: And for all of us, whatever we're doing, we are multitasking.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're living life.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're living life, and I love this quote.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're living life and we're walking each other home.
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  SPEAKER_02: Isn't that beautiful?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's very beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're walking each other home.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's no hierarchy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's look at ourselves in life as a circle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I love about life, actually, my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have wonderful opportunities to meet people from all walks of life because of my 12-step program that I work.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, it's just beautiful, beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's about it in a nutshell, quite frankly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I have honestly had a great time listening to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just extraordinarily grateful that you took the time to come on to our Divas at Care Network podcast and just share with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you are a beautiful soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've just really enjoyed you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hope that you will come back on the Divas at Care again and perhaps share some more with us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and talking about a beautiful soul.
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  SPEAKER_02: I did not talk about the spiritual.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember I had four components of self-care?
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  SPEAKER_02: Physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: You find your way.
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  SPEAKER_02: The Dalai Lama advises, find a discipline, whatever it is, but make sure nobody's getting hurt in your discipline.
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  SPEAKER_02: which people can get hurt.
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  SPEAKER_02: Believe it or not, people can get hurt in spirituality by radicals.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the Dalai Lama advises, find a discipline and stick to it.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't that beautiful?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: Find your discipline.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: I am not going to share what my discipline is other than it's deeply spiritual.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: Find a discipline and stick to it.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're definitely going to have to have you back on the program again.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for everything that you shared with us today.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: You are so welcome, Candace, and to all the divas out there.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Wear your crowns.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Wear your crowns.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that too.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to say a big shout out to all of our listeners today.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for tuning into the Divas at Care.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: I am going to be posting all of Dr.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Joanna's amazing information on our social media so that you can take those links and share it with your friends and family.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's really important to go and check out her book also.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to be putting the link on our website also.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Any questions you have, please get back to her.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's extraordinary.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: She's got so much out there and she's helping so many people.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Again, thank you so much, Dr.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Joanna.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you to all of our guests.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: And please remember to do something kind today.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time, everyone.
• 23:02
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• 23:03
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