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Murder In Moscow: The Experts Behind the Case Against Bryan Kohberger (Part 1) (8/18/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to begin taking a look at
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  Speaker 1: the unsealed expert disclosures from Moscow. First one up, Jennieyer's.
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  Speaker 1: The State has previously disclosed Jennieyer's Forensic Scientists three as
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  Speaker 1: an expert witness in the field of forensic science. The
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  Speaker 1: State hereby incorporates its previous response and attachments filed on
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  Speaker 1: December eighteenth, twenty twenty four and February sixteenth, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: and is hereby supplementing those responses as follows. The purpose
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  Speaker 1: of processing the crime scene is to collect as much
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  Speaker 1: information and evidence as possible in as pristine a condition
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  Speaker 1: as possible. The process involves assessing the situation and the scene,
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  Speaker 1: observing the condition of the scene, documentation of the scene
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  Speaker 1: via photography, written observation, sketches, or diagrams, Searching systematically for
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  Speaker 1: items or materials that may have evidentiary value, Collecting items
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  Speaker 1: in a way that will preserve them and prevent alteration,
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  Speaker 1: contamination and tampering, and chemical or physical processing if needed.
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  Speaker 1: To detect evidence that is not readily visible. Items may
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  Speaker 1: be processed for latent prints on scene or collective for
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  Speaker 1: future processing in the laboratory. Latent print evidence can be
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  Speaker 1: developed on scene by using light enhancement powder or blood
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  Speaker 1: enhancing chemicals a meatle black. Observed or developed prints are
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  Speaker 1: preserved with photography and or tape lifting. Preserved impressions can
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  Speaker 1: be used for further Latent print analysis ayers will testify
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  Speaker 1: about DNA and how its genetic material contained in human
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  Speaker 1: cells that may be utilized for human identification. DNA may
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  Speaker 1: be present on an item in the form of biological
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  Speaker 1: materials such as blood, seamen, and saliva, or it may
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  Speaker 1: be left on an item when it's handled touch. DNA
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  Speaker 1: biological evidence and possible potential DNA evidence is collective for
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  Speaker 1: preservation and may be sent for further testing by qualified
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  Speaker 1: DNA analysis. Crime scene personnel do not test or screen
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  Speaker 1: for DNA specifically. DNA evidence may be collected at a
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  Speaker 1: crime scene if there is observable biological material in the
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  Speaker 1: form of blood, semen, saliva, hair, or other tissue present.
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  Speaker 1: Some biological material may not be visible but may be
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  Speaker 1: collected for its possible presence. Possible DNA material refers to
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  Speaker 1: areas or items that are likely to have DNA based
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  Speaker 1: on the details of the case or known activities. Potential
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  Speaker 1: DNA material refers to areas or items that may have
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  Speaker 1: DNA based on how they may have been handled. Touch DNA.
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  Speaker 1: Biological DNA material on a smaller item is generally collected
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  Speaker 1: by collecting the entire item eg. Shirt, weapon bottle. Visible
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  Speaker 1: biological DNA material on a structural surface eg. Floor or wall,
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  Speaker 1: or on a large object furniture is generally collected by
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  Speaker 1: using one or two s steryl cotton swabs simultaneously. The
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  Speaker 1: swabs may be moistened with steril water prior to sample collection.
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  Speaker 1: After swabbing the surface, the swabs are allowed to air
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  Speaker 1: dry in porous packaging. Any biological DNA material on those
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  Speaker 1: swabs is preserved and can be used for future testing.
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  Speaker 1: Collection of possible and potential DNA or collected in the
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  Speaker 1: same method as described for visible DNA using steril water
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  Speaker 1: and steril swabs. Trace material like hairs or fibers may
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  Speaker 1: be present at a scene or on an item. These
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  Speaker 1: items can be collected with forceps and low adhesive material
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  Speaker 1: and packaged for potential analysis. Shoe entire impressions evidence may
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  Speaker 1: be observed or developed using chemical EMETO black gluco crystal violet,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, or physical methods, power or light enhancement. Preservation
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  Speaker 1: methods include photography, casting, and lifting. Items that may have
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  Speaker 1: evidentiary value are identified, documented, and collected. Effort is made
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  Speaker 1: to ensure that items are preserved as found. The type
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  Speaker 1: and size of packaging are determined based on the type
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  Speaker 1: of evidence cigarette butt, paper evidence envelope, paper note, receipt,
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  Speaker 1: paper evidence envelope, computer and electronics component, paper, evidence envelope
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  Speaker 1: or paper bag, depending on size and examination to be completed.
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  Speaker 1: Large items like computer towers or monitors that do not
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  Speaker 1: fit into standard evidence bags may be identified with an
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  Speaker 1: evidence tag. Nitrol type glove, paper evidence envelope, vacuum dust container,
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  Speaker 1: paper evidence bag. Presumptive blood tests or chemical tests that
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  Speaker 1: are used to distinguish possible blood stains from non bloodstains.
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  Speaker 1: The chemical tests that can be used are phenophyleene or orthotolidine.
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  Speaker 1: These tests are considered presumptive because the chemicals react to blood,
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  Speaker 1: which indicates the material may be blood. They are not
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  Speaker 1: sp ccific for blood, meaning that they could react with
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  Speaker 1: a substance that is not blood. A small sample of
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  Speaker 1: a stain is collected onto a swab of filter paper
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  Speaker 1: and chemicals are applied to the sample. This leaves a
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  Speaker 1: source stain unaffected by chemicals. If the chemical has a
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  Speaker 1: color change pink or blue, the stain is considered presumptively
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  Speaker 1: positive for blood. The stain or item may be collected
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  Speaker 1: for future biological testing. If a test is inconclusive, the
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  Speaker 1: item stain would likely be collected for further laboratory testing.
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  Speaker 1: If the test is negative, the item stain would likely
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  Speaker 1: not be collected. Bucle cells are found on the inside
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  Speaker 1: of a person's cheek. A sterile cotton swab or par
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  Speaker 1: of swabs is used to collect these cells. As a
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  Speaker 1: reference DNA sample from a known individual. Buckle swab samples
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  Speaker 1: can be compared to unknown DNA samples from a crime
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  Speaker 1: scene or from an item of evidence. Exhibit two a
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  Speaker 1: mended supplemental expert disclosure and this person redacted. The state
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  Speaker 1: is previously disclosed redacted special agent from the Federal Bureau
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  Speaker 1: of Investigation as an expert in the field of historical
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  Speaker 1: cell side analysis. The state hereby incorporates its previous responses
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  Speaker 1: and attachments filed on December eighteenth, twenty twenty four and
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  Speaker 1: December sixteenth, twenty twenty five and is hereby supplementing those
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  Speaker 1: responses as follows. Redacted will testify as an expert and
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  Speaker 1: will testify and answer questions about a summary exhibit cast
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  Speaker 1: report attached as state exhibit as to be to the
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  Speaker 1: December eighteenth, twenty twenty four filing pursu into the Idaho
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  Speaker 1: Rules of Evidence Rule one zero zero six, which mirrors
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  Speaker 1: the Federal Rules of Evidence. The rule provides that the
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  Speaker 1: proponent may use a summary chart or calculation to approve
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  Speaker 1: the content of voluminous writings, recordings, or photographs that cannot
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  Speaker 1: be conveniently examined in court. The proponent of a summary
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  Speaker 1: evidence under the rule must make the original duplicates available
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  Speaker 1: for examination or copying, or both by other parties at
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  Speaker 1: a reasonable time and place. A significant portion of Redacted's
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  Speaker 1: testimony will relate to the presentation of some reevidence. Pursuant
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  Speaker 1: to Iore one zero zero six, which allows for the
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  Speaker 1: introduction of summary evidence to aid the jury in the
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  Speaker 1: examination of testimony or documents in evidence see US versus Burns,
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  Speaker 1: ten Circuit nineteen eighty two, the proponent of the summary
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  Speaker 1: introduced pursuant to Rule one zero zero six must establish
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  Speaker 1: the admissibility of the underlying documents as a condition precedent
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  Speaker 1: to introduction of the summary Us versus somon Ego. Nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four, Ten Circuit. The underlying documents do not have
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  Speaker 1: to be admitted, but they must be established as admissible.
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  Speaker 1: Summarys must fairly represent the underlying documents upon which they
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  Speaker 1: are based. The Ten Circuit has repeatedly approved the use
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  Speaker 1: of rules one zero zero six summaries, particularly where as
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  Speaker 1: here the summaries will lay the jury in organizing the
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  Speaker 1: information contained in large numbers of documents into understandable form
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  Speaker 1: swallow overs United States three oh seven ft two D.
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  Speaker 1: Ten Circuit nineteen sixty two. Rule one zero zero six
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  Speaker 1: treats properly admitted summaries as evidence in their own right,
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  Speaker 1: rather than just presentations of other evidence in a more
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  Speaker 1: coherent form, as long as the underlying evidence is admissible.
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  Speaker 1: Pursuing the iore one zero zero six, the state the
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  Speaker 1: proponent of summary evidence has provided the original or duplicates
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  Speaker 1: for the contents of the voluminous records to defense as follows.
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  Speaker 1: Regarding redacted final cast report. The following testimony is anticipated
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  Speaker 1: in conjunction with the presentation of the report. Pages two
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  Speaker 1: through five will serve as visual aids for redacted to
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  Speaker 1: explain how cellular technology works. Previously discussed the method is
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  Speaker 1: utilized for redacted to conduct analysis in the case. Page
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  Speaker 1: six serves as a legend to depict how cellular phone
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  Speaker 1: records analyzed in the case will be represented on a map,
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  Speaker 1: specifically for phones associated with Brian Kolberger, Madison Mogan, and
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  Speaker 1: Zana Kernodle. Page seven shows examples of called information boxes
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  Speaker 1: that are used throughout the report and explains what each
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  Speaker 1: record in the box represents. Redacted will explain how the
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  Speaker 1: information comes from the records obtained from the provider and
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  Speaker 1: they are simply transferred here to show specific records in
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  Speaker 1: conjunction with the map. Page eight depicts an example of
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  Speaker 1: how drive test data previously discussed will be represented on
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  Speaker 1: a map to indicate the coverage area of a specific
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  Speaker 1: cell site in sector. Page nine represents locations of interest
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  Speaker 1: provided to redact it during the investigation and the icon
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  Speaker 1: that will be used to represent each on a map.
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  Speaker 1: The red icon labeled CS represent sense a crime scene
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  Speaker 1: located at eleven twenty two King Road, and the yellow
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  Speaker 1: BK icon represents Brian Colberger's residence located in Pullman. Page
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  Speaker 1: ten is a map of Moscow, Idaho and Pullman. Redacted
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  Speaker 1: will use the map to depict both locations of interest
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  Speaker 1: from page nine, as well as to show where AT
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  Speaker 1: and T towers in the form of blue circles are
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  Speaker 1: located on the map. Page eleven represents subscriber sheet associated
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  Speaker 1: with five zero, nine, five nine, two, eight four or
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  Speaker 1: five eight hereafter the eight four or five eight phone
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  Speaker 1: as provided by AT and T. Redacted will highlight that
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  Speaker 1: this telephone number was subscribed by Brian Colberger. Page twelve
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  Speaker 1: depicts cellular phone usage by eight four five eight phone,
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  Speaker 1: and redacted is expected to testify that the usage indicates
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  Speaker 1: general movement of the eight four to five eight phone
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  Speaker 1: from the area of West Yellowstone, Wyoming to Pullman, Washington
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  Speaker 1: on June thirtieth, twenty twenty two, showing when Brian Colberger
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  Speaker 1: moved to Pullman, Washington area. Page thirteen depicts phone usage
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  Speaker 1: by eight four or five eight phone on November thirteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and redacted is expected to testify that
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  Speaker 1: when the eight four or five eight phone interacted with
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  Speaker 1: the AT and T network at two forty seven twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine am. The phone was not a Brian Colberger's residence
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  Speaker 1: Mark BK on the map. Rather, it was southeast of
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger's residence as depicted by the drive test data.
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  Speaker 1: Redacted is also expected to testify that he analyzed additional
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  Speaker 1: handoff data that occurred during this data session and that
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  Speaker 1: eight four or five eight phone stopped communicating with the
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  Speaker 1: network at two fifty four forty five. Page fourteen provides
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  Speaker 1: the time period that eight four or five eight phone
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  Speaker 1: did not communicate with the eight and T network during
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  Speaker 1: the early morning hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Page fifteen depicts the interactions that eight four or five
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  Speaker 1: eight phone had with the AT and T network on
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  Speaker 1: November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, starting at four forty eight am,
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  Speaker 1: consistent with the eight four or five eight phone being
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  Speaker 1: south of Moscow, Idaho. Pages sixteen and eighteen showed the
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  Speaker 1: general movement of the eight four or five eight phone
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  Speaker 1: on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, consistent with traveling from
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  Speaker 1: south of Moscow, Idaho to Pullman, Washington and ultimately using
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  Speaker 1: a cell site that provides coverage to the Brian Coburger residence.
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  Speaker 1: Pages nineteen and through twenty two show the general movements
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  Speaker 1: of the eight four or five eight phone on November thirteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, consistent with the departing Pullman and traveling
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  Speaker 1: to Moscow, then returning back to a cell site that
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  Speaker 1: provides coverage to the Brian Coburger residence. Pages twenty three
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  Speaker 1: and twenty four how the general movements of the eight
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  Speaker 1: four or five eight phone on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: consistent with traveling from Pullman, Washington to Lewiston, Idaho, consistent
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  Speaker 1: with surveillance video that shows Coburger in Lewiston, Idaho at
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  Speaker 1: the time. Page twenty five depicts times when the eighth
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  Speaker 1: four or five eight phone has had historical periods of
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  Speaker 1: no interaction with the AT and T network from June
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  Speaker 1: twenty third, twenty twenty two to November thirteenth, twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: for more than one hour and forty five minutes. Included
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  Speaker 1: in this analysis is the time period during the early
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  Speaker 1: morning hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. Pages twenty
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  Speaker 1: six and twenty seven show the usage of phones associated
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  Speaker 1: with Madison, Mogan and Xana Kernodle during the morning of
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  Speaker 1: November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. During times when evidence indicates
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  Speaker 1: that both phones were located inside the residence at eleven
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  Speaker 1: twenty two King Road, Moscow, Idaho, depicted by crime scene icon,
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  Speaker 1: these pages will be used to highlight that the drive
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  Speaker 1: test data is consistent with the locations of both those
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  Speaker 1: cellular phones when evidence shows their location is inside eleven
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  Speaker 1: twenty two King Road, Moscow, Idaho. Page twenty eight shows
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  Speaker 1: a map that includes eleven twenty two King Road, Moscow, Iidaho,
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  Speaker 1: represented by the CS icon, and a yellow circle that
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  Speaker 1: represents a one hundred meter radius around the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Redacted will explain that he conducted analysis of all cell
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  Speaker 1: sites in that area that provided coverage to the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene and identified any cell sites that drive test data
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  Speaker 1: showed coverage that included this one hundred meter radius around
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene. Pages twenty nine to thirty represent any
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  Speaker 1: time that the eight four or five eight phone utilized
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  Speaker 1: a cell site identified as part of page twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: between the hours of ten pm and four am twenty
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  Speaker 1: three separate instances between July ninth, twenty twenty two to
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  Speaker 1: November seventh, twenty twenty two. Redacted will testify that the
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  Speaker 1: eight four or five eight phone used cell site consistent
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  Speaker 1: with being at the crime scene during these dates and times.
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  Speaker 1: Redacted will further testify that the hours between ten pm
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  Speaker 1: and four am were identified by the investigative team has
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  Speaker 1: time to of interest. All Right, folks, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: wrap up right here, and in the next episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna pick up with Exhibit S three Amended Supplemental Expert
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  Speaker 1: Disclosure Taylor maychak. All the information that goes with this
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  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box.