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The Bolt Report | 22 July · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Is the reform tonight.
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  Speaker 2: In this shameful way, Labor is using this Jewish politician
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  Speaker 2: to betray Israel and the embarrassing Malcolm Roberts. How long
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: can pull in Hanson afford to keep him. But speaking
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  Speaker 2: of Hanson, her comments today and domestic violence, I've defended
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  Speaker 2: her before, but this time and why this Islamic state
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: terrorst shows our immigration policies have failed us yet again.
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  Speaker 2: But first, two things about Labour's national conference starting at
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide tomorrow, and the first one is a warning but
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  Speaker 2: funny in the second, well, I think it's just sick.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with the funny.
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  Speaker 2: You should today think one of Labour's looniest hard left unions,
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Manufacturer Workers Union, powerful inside the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 2: You should thank it for giving us a warning. Thank
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  Speaker 2: it for showing why the Albanezer government now feels forced
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  Speaker 2: to screen down Pauline Hansen spar he falsely as a racist,
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  Speaker 2: for attacking multiculturalism and defending Australian culture. Now this union,
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  Speaker 2: the AMWU, has done this by flushing out Housing Minister
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  Speaker 2: Claire O'Neil and giving us not just an insight but
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  Speaker 2: a laugh out loud piece of entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: To the background.
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  Speaker 2: So we've got this Labor conference tomorrow and it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to decide the policies that you are meant to bind
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  Speaker 2: all labor members. And the m WU says it wants
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  Speaker 2: delegates delegates at this conference to vote to destroy one
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  Speaker 2: of the few national symbols the lifters lift us with.
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  Speaker 2: It's meant to unite us our flag, I mean, to
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  Speaker 2: tear out the union jack in the corner.
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  Speaker 1: It says that labours got.
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  Speaker 2: To strip away the constant reminders of the old ruling
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  Speaker 2: class and colonial empire. I mean, who writes this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It says symbols of oppression like the union jack on
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  Speaker 2: our flag and offensive colonial statues must be removed from
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  Speaker 2: public life.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Never mind that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you look at the polls, you'd think, well,
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  Speaker 2: if Australians are feeling oppressed right now, and many sure are,
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  Speaker 2: it's not from oppression from British colonialists. No, these colonials
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  Speaker 2: actually created one of the richest and finest and freest
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  Speaker 2: countries ever known. It's labor that's now oppressing them, trashing
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  Speaker 2: the joint economic bundling, getting poorer, politics of division, that's
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  Speaker 2: the true oppression. And if there's a class revolt, it's
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  Speaker 2: not against you know, monopoly styled capitalists. I mean this
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  Speaker 2: AMWU really does seem stuck in the nineteenth century with
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  Speaker 2: Karl Marx and the whole shebang. Know, the class revolt
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  Speaker 2: that we are seeing now is one led by the
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  Speaker 2: working class. But Hanson's one nation working class, and it's
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  Speaker 2: against the elites which foisted on us the mass immigration
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  Speaker 2: of multiculturalism, which is turning us into a nation of tribes,
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  Speaker 2: turning us into warring tribes, as we saw on Bondou Beach.
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  Speaker 2: And that's of course what's making Hanson now. It's very popular,
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  Speaker 2: despite the lies that Labour tells to Smera as a
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  Speaker 2: racist now, even lying that in Britain this month she
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  Speaker 2: lamented the end of the white Australia policy. Now there
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  Speaker 2: is a reason that Labour tells these lies, and it's
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  Speaker 2: of course to shut down Hansen and shut down a
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  Speaker 2: debate which, if it were allowed, would show you that
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  Speaker 2: this three flags Labor government cannot be trusted to not
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  Speaker 2: trash what's left of a country which is already buried
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  Speaker 2: in another one point five million immigrants and try to
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  Speaker 2: split by race with a plan for an average, lonely
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  Speaker 2: advisory parliament.
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  Speaker 1: But he's the bad news for clear O'Neill. Unfortunately for her.
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  Speaker 2: There was today a debate caused by exactly this AMWU
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  Speaker 2: call for our flag to be scrapped, and that debate
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  Speaker 2: was held on Channel seven Sunrise Show with the excellent
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  Speaker 2: Natalie Bar not only letting refusing to let the Housing
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  Speaker 2: Minister off the hook, but really enjoying it too. Now,
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  Speaker 2: anyone in government, in a government that was proud of
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  Speaker 2: our flag, in a government that had no plans at
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  Speaker 2: all ever to change that flag, would have also no
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  Speaker 2: trouble at all. Answering Bar's opening question about this AMWU
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  Speaker 2: anti flag motion, was O'Neill in favor of changing the flag?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: For someone with an easy conscience, is an easy answer
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  Speaker 2: like you know, of course not? Or hell no, or
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  Speaker 2: over my dead body, or are you mad?
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  Speaker 1: I love this flag?
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  Speaker 2: Instead we got O'Neil flapping like a fish on the
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  Speaker 2: pier and I'll show you just the highlights from six
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  Speaker 2: minutes of cringe TV. I said it was funny, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean you might find it intensely frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: Are you up for changing the flag?
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  Speaker 3: I'm here in Adelaide for Labour's national conference.
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  Speaker 4: Would you be up for changing it?
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  Speaker 5: Claire?
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  Speaker 3: Look, and that's just not what the conference is about.
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  Speaker 6: Yes or no?
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  Speaker 3: Clip again, Nat, Sorry, it's not something that I've I've
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  Speaker 3: had a moment to think about.
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  Speaker 5: Yes or no, I'm changing the Union Jack.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you as Housing minister, I don't spend my
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  Speaker 3: time thinking about the national flag.
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  Speaker 4: It's been in the paper today.
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  Speaker 7: You've got a head sight, yes or no?
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  Speaker 3: Genuinely haven't given it a second's thought. This conference three
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  Speaker 3: minutes thinking about thinking about thinking about the housing issues
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  Speaker 3: facing the country and how I can help people at home.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm really respectful of your question, but if I
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  Speaker 3: can say directly, I'm focused on the things that Australians
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  Speaker 3: are talking about around the kitchens.
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  Speaker 8: Tabory, Yes or no, I'm changing the Union Jack.
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  Speaker 5: Let's not go through it again.
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  Speaker 7: This feels like the Albanese government is not ruling out
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  Speaker 7: a change in the flag this morning.
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  Speaker 3: That's the story that literally has never been contemplated.
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  Speaker 1: Now the flag the Union Jack?
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  Speaker 4: Should we take it off the flag?
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  Speaker 5: Claire?
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  Speaker 1: Look?
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  Speaker 3: My personal view is no, Nat, But I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to get into a debate about that.
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  Speaker 1: I think we got the message.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, did you, by the way, did you hear
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  Speaker 2: O'Neil there at one stage saying Labor had not contemplated
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  Speaker 2: changing the flag. Didn't we hear that kind of line before?
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  Speaker 2: Remember this, we.
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  Speaker 6: Have no plans to touch it or change negative gearing.
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  Speaker 2: No plans until they change their position. Now, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that Labor is going to con us again. You
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  Speaker 2: know that it will now change the flag. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it will. I mean, in fact, it's trying to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that the same WA motion won't even get
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  Speaker 2: debated at the conference.
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  Speaker 1: No oxygen, No oxygen.
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  Speaker 2: That said, I am very suspicious that Anthony Albineazy's Housing
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  Speaker 2: Minister does not dare or does not want to say
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  Speaker 2: that Labor won't change the flag.
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  Speaker 9: It's extraordinary that Claire O'Neil is out there today and
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  Speaker 9: she can't confirm that we should keep our Australian flag.
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  Speaker 9: She can't confirm that we should keep our Australian flag.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 9: I am proud of our Australian flag. I know all
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  Speaker 9: liberals and nationals are proud of our Australian flag, and
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  Speaker 9: we will keep it.
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  Speaker 2: You see Claire, it's pretty easy if you mean it.
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  Speaker 2: So you see now why Labor doesn't dare have a
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  Speaker 2: serious debate about multiculturalism and national identity.
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  Speaker 1: Oh much easier to scream that.
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  Speaker 2: Has this as racist than allow any debate that would
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  Speaker 2: make photos wonder what Labor will do next to divide
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  Speaker 2: this already to country, but briefly and not so funny,
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: in fact, a moment of shame for one Labor MP
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  Speaker 2: in particular. Now, let me set this up before a
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  Speaker 2: name and change this man. I mentioned last night that
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  Speaker 2: Labour's factions have already agreed to change their national platform
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  Speaker 2: at this conference it's starting tomorrow to add several paragraphs
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  Speaker 2: damning Israel, and those editions falsely imply, for instance, that
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  Speaker 2: Israel is starving Palestinians. They backed the corrupted International Criminal Court,
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  Speaker 2: which is called for the arrest of Israel's Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 2: I supposed war crimes like this fake starvation. They blast
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  Speaker 2: Israel's death penalty for terrorism as oh, this is anti Palestinian,
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  Speaker 2: and without even mentioning that Hamas is meanwhile publicly executing
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians it claims are collaborating with Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Now, all these extra attacks on Israel and more.
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  Speaker 2: But no mention at all by Labor in these draft
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  Speaker 2: changes of the demand that Prime Minus Albanis he claims
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  Speaker 2: he made last year when he recognized the non existent
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian state, So the cheers of at least three Hamas
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  Speaker 2: terrorist leaders. Hamas told us then that well, Albert Easy
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  Speaker 2: told us then that Hamas would have to disarm. That
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  Speaker 2: was the price of this recognition, and the Palaestinian authority,
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  Speaker 2: which rules the other side, that would have to stop
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  Speaker 2: paying pensions to terrorists are killed Jews. They ruled the
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  Speaker 2: West Bank, so that was their thing, and they would
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  Speaker 2: have to stop being so corrupted. Do you know none
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  Speaker 2: of those things has, of course happened, none of them.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no mention in his draft changes in Labour's
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  Speaker 2: platform of these demands disarm, don't be so corrupt, stop
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  Speaker 2: paying terrorists and anti semis everywhere they're going to cheer
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  Speaker 2: what Labor has done. And I wonder that is Rail's
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  Speaker 2: ambassador has criticized Labor for being so one sided against
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  Speaker 2: in this platform. So have you set it up? Who
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  Speaker 2: does Labor get to sell this stab in Israel's back
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  Speaker 2: to move this motion betraying the Jewish state. Well, that
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  Speaker 2: man is its favorite patsy Jewish MP Josh Burns, acting
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  Speaker 2: as a human shield for labor.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it was moved by a Jew. How could we
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  Speaker 1: be anti Jewish?
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  Speaker 2: This man should be ashamed of himself and the Jews
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  Speaker 2: in his very Jewish seat of McNamara. That's in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: you know Carefield and all that. They should feel betrayed
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  Speaker 2: if they voted for him. That seat, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: was once held by Labour's Michael Danby, also Jewish. Damby
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  Speaker 2: has issued a statement of protest, saying yes, he too
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  Speaker 2: is a gas that Burns is acting as a human
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  Speaker 2: shield for Foreign Minister Penny Wong, saying Burns ordered with
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  Speaker 2: draw his name from this resolution in this form.
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  Speaker 1: And here we have one more way.
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  Speaker 2: The laborer is tearing us apart, changing the Australia we knew,
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  Speaker 2: and changing for the very worst. Well too, Michael Costa,
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  Speaker 2: former New South Wales Labor treasurer. We were hoping that
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: Cameron Milner will join us, but there's some hiccup at
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  Speaker 2: the moment. We'll keep you abreast of that. Michael. What
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  Speaker 2: did you make of Claire O'Neil, apparently terrified of saying
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  Speaker 2: that she didn't want the flag changed like the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Manufacturing Workers Union actually wants.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, I'm not surprised she's terrified. I imagine if she
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  Speaker 10: had endorsed that, Andrew, I mean, that would be another
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  Speaker 10: five to ten points on one nation's primary title. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 10: the working class Australia is very socially conservative, but it's
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  Speaker 10: also very very patriotic. Now, I know the Labor Party
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  Speaker 10: is less and less representing the working class, but even
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  Speaker 10: that would have been a step too far to endorse
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  Speaker 10: a position of removing the union.
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  Speaker 1: Jack.
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  Speaker 10: I think she's fearful. She's caught in a factional vice
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  Speaker 10: like everybody else down in that party, and they're too
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  Speaker 10: scared to do anything because the factional warlords will try
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  Speaker 10: and eliminate their preselections or put pressure on them. That's
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  Speaker 10: what's going on there. But it's a dumb, dumb thing
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  Speaker 10: that she couldn't have said what she said at the end,
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  Speaker 10: right at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's so dumb. I think it's telling.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it says that Labour's not proud of that flag.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's leaving open the possibility of changing that flag. That's
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  Speaker 2: what it's telling me or that there's enough people in
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  Speaker 2: labor want to change that she doesn't dare upset them,
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  Speaker 2: that she's got no guts.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what that's telling me.
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  Speaker 2: Now you mentioned the working class union business or the
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  Speaker 2: working class membership of unions. Here we've got a union
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  Speaker 2: leadership ranting about colonialism, ranting about statues, wanting the union
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  Speaker 2: jack ripped out of the flag. I mean, how can
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  Speaker 2: that possibly reflect the values of the working class, even
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  Speaker 2: of the AMWU.
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  Speaker 10: Well, the AMWU has a long tradition andrew have been
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  Speaker 10: led by fairly hardline communists, as you would know, you
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  Speaker 10: know Laurie Carmichael, Halfpenny down there in Victoria. I mean
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  Speaker 10: that union was one of the first to make the
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  Speaker 10: jump from some traditional working class unionism to what I
• 13:38
  Speaker 10: call work unionism. You know, they're people that have accepted
• 13:41
  Speaker 10: the sort of Gramski leftist view of the world. But
• 13:44
  Speaker 10: it's all about power rather than class, and it's certainly
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  Speaker 10: not about blue collar class. So it doesn't surprise me
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  Speaker 10: in the slightest that that's their position. They've had that
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  Speaker 10: position for a long long time. They don't represent working
• 13:57
  Speaker 10: class people. They use them as pawns, as part of
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  Speaker 10: their factional game to increase their power within the ALP.
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  Speaker 10: You know, private sector unionism is down to ten percent,
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  Speaker 10: and it's all public sector unionism that counts at the moment.
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  Speaker 10: And clearly they sing the tune of those that are
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  Speaker 10: paying their wages, which is essentially the government and the taxpayer.
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  Speaker 1: Look.
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  Speaker 2: I used to cover the union round way back when
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  Speaker 2: from Trades Hall in Victoria for my sins.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do the member.
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  Speaker 2: Do the members actually ever get asked given their working
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  Speaker 2: class Hey guys, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, we want to know whether you.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Our members should think, I think we should be backing
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: a real working class person, Pauline Hanson instead of labor.
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  Speaker 2: Do they ever get this option of saying, well, which
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: of these leaders actually represents your concerns?
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  Speaker 10: Most of course not Andrew, and they haven't for a
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  Speaker 10: long long time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: And the reason they don't ask him, of course, is that,
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  Speaker 10: you know, I did some polling at the Labor accounts
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  Speaker 10: when I was secretary down there, and it was just
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  Speaker 10: barely fifty percent of the trade union membership that was
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  Speaker 10: supporting labor at that point. And that's going back, you know,
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  Speaker 10: twenty years, and you've got to remember in that same
• 15:22
  Speaker 10: period Howard had his Howard Battler's.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, blue collar.
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  Speaker 10: Workers, as I said, are very patriotic, they're very socially conservative.
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  Speaker 10: And as soon as this sort of wake unionism came
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  Speaker 10: into being, you know, the union officials would be afraid
• 15:37
  Speaker 10: to actually canvass their members. They try and narrow it
• 15:39
  Speaker 10: down to you know, the industrial agreements and then do
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  Speaker 10: it whatever they like. In terms of ALP politics, it's
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  Speaker 10: a disgrace. They don't represent their members, and you know
• 15:49
  Speaker 10: it has to be called out. But look, Andrew, it'll
• 15:52
  Speaker 10: make no difference. These people have an objective to increase
• 15:55
  Speaker 10: their factional power and their careers within the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 2: And can you also tell me why Labor is gone
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  Speaker 2: from being under Bob Hawk when I was working for
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  Speaker 2: Labor under Bob Hawk, a massive supporter of Israel, to
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  Speaker 2: today under Anthony Albanezi, a massive stab in the back critic.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, I mean it's a complicated question. We've got
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  Speaker 10: hours to discuss that. But let me in a nutshell.
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  Speaker 10: What's happened is since the end of the Cold War,
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  Speaker 10: you know, the New South Wales right primarily has declined.
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  Speaker 10: That was the cornerstone grouping within the Labor Party. It
• 16:36
  Speaker 10: supported Bob Hawk and supported Israel. That's declined. The Victorian
• 16:40
  Speaker 10: rights never really been a writer in the sense that
• 16:42
  Speaker 10: the DLP left and watch you hat there was a
• 16:46
  Speaker 10: soft soft left I used to call it down there.
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  Speaker 10: And Albanese has been able to use his sort of
• 16:52
  Speaker 10: strategy of slogan peddling to build a very tight factional
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  Speaker 10: base around him and that's destroyed the right. I mean,
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  Speaker 10: there is no effect right. The last leader that you
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  Speaker 10: could say was right would be Cameron's old boss, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 10: that's Bill Shorten, who was closer than your South Wales right.
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  Speaker 10: So it's all about those changes after the end of
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  Speaker 10: the Cold War. It is a disgrace to see that resolution.
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  Speaker 10: It's a real betrayal of Australian values and Western values.
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  Speaker 10: And it really greats that they don't talk about what's
• 17:20
  Speaker 10: going on in Sadan with Christians, for example, if they're
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  Speaker 10: so passionate people were more and more the Christians have
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  Speaker 10: been killed there than Hamas terrorists in Gaza, and there
• 17:29
  Speaker 10: is a real famine there. They don't talk about that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 10: They don't talk about the Wigas in China, the hypocrites
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  Speaker 10: they always have been and it's all about them.
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  Speaker 1: I just think the whole thing stinks.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so ridiculous, overgrown student politics, rubbish,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with quality of life, falling living standards
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that. It's just a joke. Michael Costa,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. I regret that
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: we had a communications breakdown, probably our fault. Cameraon couldn't
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: join us. Cameron Milner. I hope to get him back
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  Speaker 2: before long. Thank you so much. After the break. Well,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: this new dilemma we have. We've got a Islamic State
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Nutter wanting to come back. It seems why can't the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: government say no. I tell you what this shows. Our
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: immigration program has led us down again. Now to another reason.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: The Albanizi government just hates talking about mass immigration and multiculturalism.
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  Speaker 2: We've already learned, of course, that there are thirteen men
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: linked to the Islamic State and they're in jails in Iraq.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: We've accepted all the women back now apparently we're going
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to take them in the harder cases. Now we know
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: from the Australian today that one of these men is
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Tarry Kumler, is the son of a palaceine in an
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: immigrant trained in Australia, born in Australia and he served
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the Islamic State as a medic.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Handela made did from Australia to the Islamic State to
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  Speaker 4: come and live under the Hilafa. I saw this as
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  Speaker 4: a part of Maji hap Islam to help the Muslim
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  Speaker 4: Um in the area that I could, which was the
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  Speaker 4: medical field.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: So he knew what he was doing. And later this Carmela,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: also known as doctor g Hard, entered Islamic State fighter mode.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: We love death more than you love life.
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  Speaker 1: Now the Albanizy government says his hands are tied.
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  Speaker 2: You know, comes stop him coming back constitutional reasons, just
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  Speaker 2: like he couldn't stop the Islamic State brades.
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  Speaker 1: It let back in all of.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: Them temporary exclusion orders. I have a high threshold under
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: the low We have to operate under the Constitution in
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: the High Court, and the Minister the minute he receives
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: advice to issue such an order from the security agencies
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: has done so and will do so.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is a multicultural as administer fresh from telling
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: us that multicultural is working beautifully in this country. Well,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the opposition leader and one nation's going to be Joyce
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not so sure that stopping the return of these
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: men is impossible.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Therewith the right will.
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: If they don't have the laws, then whistles down back
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: down to Canberra and we can change the laws so
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: you can say we can stop them.
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: We have seen over the last week and an Isis
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: bride get out on bail, and now just in the
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: last day or so we've seen an ISIS terrorist who's
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: living offshore wanting to come back to our country. The
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: Labor Party needs to commit to preventing that from happening.
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: They have many leavers at their disposal. They can ensure
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: that this and does not get a passport. They can
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: use temporary exclusion orders.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Rondin Touran, chief of the Spectator australia
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: most excellent magazine, hosts of Outsiders every Sunday at nine
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: am and hosts of his own show and Fridays at
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: seven pm. Now, Rowan, I am not a constitutional expert.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I do not know if there really is a way
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to stop such men from ever returning. But I'd be
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: amazed if there wasn't. I'd be outraged if there wasn't.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: But if we cannot stop them, doesn't this just add
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: weight to pauling Hans's argument that in the end, we're
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: safer if we simply restrict immigration from some countries with
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: values very different to our own to avoid this kind
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of problem in the first place. Or I'm I supposed
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to believe that doctor g Hard being the son of Palaesinine,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: an immigrant, is purely coincidental to his later radicalization.
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: Doctor g Hard, Yeah, well where do you go with that?
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  Speaker 6: Andrew?
• 21:59
  Speaker 13: Of course you're right. I returned this time a week ago.
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: I was coming through Sydney Airport, having returned from overseas,
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: and there were banks of machines and you had to
• 22:08
  Speaker 13: scan your passports and facial identities and all the sort
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: cues for Australian passport. And what is the point of
• 22:16
  Speaker 13: it all? If we can't stop doctor g Had from
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: coming into Australia. What is the point of this government
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: whose primary role, apart from the economy, is to keep
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: every single Australian safe. What is the point of this
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: government they trashed the economy. How would Jewish Australians feel
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: How can any Jewish Australian, or indeed any arguably Christian
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: Australian feel safe?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Or Western Australian.
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: Whatever you want to call non g hardest Australian feel
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: safe if there are no rules or regulations to prevent people,
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: for whatever reasons, returning to this country after they have
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: been involved with jihad in anywhere around the world, what
• 23:04
  Speaker 13: is the point of the government. We clearly are incapable
• 23:07
  Speaker 13: of looking after our Australians. We are incapable of looking
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: after our Jewish Australians who must be terrified. What would
• 23:14
  Speaker 13: it be like being a Jewish kid going what is
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: this country doing? Why are you letting these people in
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: who arguably want to kill me? How can the government
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: be serious? How can we take the government seriously when
• 23:29
  Speaker 13: they refuse to do what is necessary and that is
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: to absolutely safeguard not only the health but the mental
• 23:37
  Speaker 13: health and the safety of every Australian to the best
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: of their abilities, which clearly they are not prepared to do.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they want to kill us now,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: but certainly they signed up for a group that made
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: absolutely no secret of their desire to kill Westerners and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you know cuveris of people that weren't following their faith
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and actually film videos of themselves be hitting such people.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So why we would want to accept them back. I mean,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: it's just to me, it's astonishing. But anyway, Rowan, I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: have been flat out lately calling out the lies told
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: about Paul and Hanson. So I'm not you know, jumping,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you know, really against her, really for her, because there
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: are also real concerns which I've also mentioned. I'm talking
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I'll talk later in the show about Hanson's comes today
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: nomestic violence. But Malcolm Roberts, Hanson's fellow One Nation senator
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: for so many years, I reckonisstarting it is a red
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: hot embarrassment in my view, with conspiracy theories and pro
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Putin fandom like this.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Have look at this.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: In twenty sixteen when Trump became such a threat to
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: the globalist because Trump's the only one apart from maybe Putin,
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: who understands what's going on. They trained all of that
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: stuff onto Trump to try and destroy him. They control
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: the media. What I admire in people is when they
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: actually serve the country, and Putin is looking after Russia's entry.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: There's no doubt in my mind about that.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: COVID came in.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: We were given these videos from the major news broadcast
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: has had these videos of people dying and makeshift dying
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: in the droves and makeshift morgues in the streets of
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: New York, the streets of Beijing, the streets of Italy.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: What are we going to do? So we thought it
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: is pretty serious from what we've seen. We didn't realize
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: fairly recently that those were all stage.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: They're both now rowan.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I'm told some in one nation Rick and Roberts has
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: gone a parent illness or something could be an excuse,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a hope of getting him to quit, replaced by some nostalgia,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: or is he not a problem.
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: I don't think he's a problem. It's all Andrew. Look,
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: Malcolm Roberts is perfectly capable for explaining whatever comments he
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: makes on whatever podcast. I'm more of the kind of
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: Trump you know, the comment about Donald Trump, which is, listen,
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: look at what he does rather than.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: What he necessarily says.
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: I think is a pretty good guide. You've mentioned earlier
• 26:07
  Speaker 13: in the show. You know, the disgraceful behavior of labor
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: as regards you know, what they're now doing in terms of,
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: you know, saying that Hamas can get away with this
• 26:18
  Speaker 13: and that. Look at what people do in politics rather
• 26:21
  Speaker 13: than what they say.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about this, it's a shot.
• 26:25
  Speaker 13: Roberts has a great Malcolm Roberts has a great history
• 26:28
  Speaker 13: in our Senate. Our Senate for me is these days
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: almost better viewing, certainly, and a better insight into the
• 26:36
  Speaker 13: workings of Canberra than Question Time, which is a bit
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: of a piece of theater. The Senate estimates there are
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: some star performers alexanderik Mikayla Cash, Matt Canavan and others,
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: and Malcolm Roberts is one of those. And he's been
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: very very effective in the Senate, particularly on climate change.
• 26:54
  Speaker 13: No one has been stronger in exposing the stupidity of
• 26:57
  Speaker 13: climate change than Malcolm Roberts. Done some great things on
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: fuel excise, on the tobacco excise, pointing out how the
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: tobacco exercise is driving up crime or you know, criminal
• 27:09
  Speaker 13: organizations and tobacco. He was behind a lot of that,
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: a banking inquiry. So he's done a lot of good
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: things in the Senate, So judge him on that. Sure,
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: he's capable of answering and explaining whatever he was talking
• 27:22
  Speaker 13: about in those podcasts, but I think we're too quick
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: to There seems to be a kind of a concentrated
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: media attempt at the moment. Which is fine to scrutinize
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: everything that every member of one nation has ever said
• 27:34
  Speaker 13: or done, but I think let's focus on what they've
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: done in politics. Of course, they have to answer for
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: what they've said, and what they've said is unacceptable to people,
• 27:44
  Speaker 13: then they'll be judged accordingly.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but the difference will be that
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: one nation may will form or help form a government.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: How do not want a putin fanboy as part of
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that government? I just done?
• 28:00
  Speaker 13: How these I don't want hammers fan boys And that's
• 28:04
  Speaker 13: good government of Australia. And that's what We've got a
• 28:06
  Speaker 13: whole cohort of them gathering in Adelaide right now, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 13: they are Hammers and Palestinian terror fanboys. In my opinion,
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: I'd rather kick get them out and take my chances
• 28:17
  Speaker 13: with Marco.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I'm really had my say about that. I've had my
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: say about that. Thank you so much for own Dean.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: That'swell said. And I've got to say too about the
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: albedies of governments lateds attacking paul In Hanson. You know
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the way they'll be saying, oh, she's got a donation
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: from Australian mining billionaire gena RNA. Well, imagine my surprise
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: at this story today that the Prime Minister got a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: one million dollar donation for labor from the son of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a big Chinese gambler and development. I know which one
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: of those two donations is worry me more. After the break,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the former top banker has just said no to affirmative action.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It's not helping business make money, he says. I hope
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it's being paid danger money to say this. Got to say.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Philip low has become a danger bunny since he was
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: forced out a Reserve Bank governor. He used to be
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: so cautious in the job, but now as head of
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the Sock Exchanges Corporate Governance advisory body, is lashing out.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Is having a good time, for instance, attacking the government
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: for spending too much and keeping growth low.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: How true is that?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: But now, in his most dangerous move yet, Lowe is
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: taking on identity politics affirmative action. He just said that
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: forcing companies to get more women on their boards, raising
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: the target of forty percent women, which was being mooted,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: would actually not help companies make more money. And he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: said there's no real evidence for that. And the blowback
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: already for the female head of hester Superfund from the
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: female head of Australagy Eld Association below.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Says he can't see good evidence.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: They're going from thirty percent women on boards so forty
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: percent is going to have value. In fact, is thrown
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: caution to the winds and goes on saying it's got
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: too focused on gender. Other aspects of diversity, including people's education,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: their skills.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Their background, their life.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Experience, they're equally if not more important, which I say, hallelujah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I was joined a short while ago by scaring his
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: business editor and guru rough Screenwood Ross Greenwood great to
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: see you.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: You very rarely get someone in a senior position in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Australia daring to call out the diversity industry and affirmative action.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Philip Blow has Why is that?
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: I think the reason is that it's hard enough right
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: now to be able to get good quality public company directors.
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: And the reason for that is largely the onus is
• 30:52
  Speaker 14: so great financially upon them and legally upon them, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: also from a reputational point of view, and so there'd
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: be a lot of very very well credentialed business people
• 31:02
  Speaker 14: who simply choose not to become public company directors and
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: this is one of the real challenges that the ASX faces.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: And so as this the head of.
• 31:10
  Speaker 14: This Governance Advisory Committee to the AX, which largely was
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: put upon it because of its own poor performance. Philip
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: Blow was really calling out the fact that it really
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: needs better quality people from all aspects of Australian life
• 31:25
  Speaker 14: onto the boards of companies to try and help improve
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: the governance and the performance of Australian companies. That's as
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: simple as it is. And quotas, as he quite correctly
• 31:34
  Speaker 14: points out, is not the way in which you get that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: It's not the way you achieve it. It's actually a
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: horse's for course of seeing. You might have boards with
• 31:42
  Speaker 14: eighty percent women or eighty percent men. It doesn't matter
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: so long as you've got the best people in the role.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if this is going to take off
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: for us, because of course we're talking about the same
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: sort of phenomenon the affirmative action stuff in politics as well.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: The Liberals again thinking oh, should we have quotas for women?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And he is Philip Low, a bit of an albatrush
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: sitting on a rock on his own say come and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: get me.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Are they coming to get him? What's the reaction been.
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: Well, well, the reaction, as you can imagine from all sorts,
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: has been pretty negative towards Philip Low for daring to
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: even utter the suggestion that, maybe, you know, sort of,
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: we do need to have the best people in place,
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: and not to have the quota, the fixed quota of
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: forty percent. Now, let's be honest, you might have aspirations as.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: To where you want it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: Naturally over time if you've got women, and more than
• 32:34
  Speaker 14: fifty percent of graduates coming out of a university are women,
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: so it is very natural that more women over time
• 32:40
  Speaker 14: will end up on the boards of companies, and therefore,
• 32:44
  Speaker 14: as a result, that's a good thing, there's no doubt,
• 32:46
  Speaker 14: because you want to use all of those brains. But
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: what they're also saying is, hey, don't try and basically
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: mandate this. And by the way, he's also said, don't
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: start doing surveys asking people of their ethnicity, basically how
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: they relate in terms of their sexuality and all sorts
• 33:04
  Speaker 14: of other things, because frankly, this is not about trying
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: to get quotas for diversity. This is trying to get
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: the best people in the job who can as a result.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Of that get the best performance out of the company.
• 33:16
  Speaker 14: Now, as I say, you don't really want a situation
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: where the old fogies, the old guard just hang on
• 33:21
  Speaker 14: and end up having ten board seats.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: That's ridiculous. But what you do.
• 33:25
  Speaker 14: Want is you want to have an active, dynamically managed
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: ASX listed companies.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Because what's happened is because.
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: The constraints are so great on those directors, many companies
• 33:36
  Speaker 14: have been taken private, so they end up in private
• 33:39
  Speaker 14: hands so that we the public can't invest in them.
• 33:42
  Speaker 14: But if you're in private hands much easier to manage,
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: you can have whatever board you like, as compared with
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: publicly listed companies where they've got all of these constraints.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And so really the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: End result is that we as investors, we as a
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: community and superannuation investors miss out on the opportunities to
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: invest in some of them these companies because the constraints
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: upon them being publicly listed have become to onerous.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I always thought the companies were the best judges who
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: should be in top positions anyway, given this real money involved,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and if you get it wrong, you will pay. Now
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier in the show, Labors National Conference is
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: starting in adelaide tomorrow and you know ras it threatens
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to be yet another lurch to the left of a
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: for a left wing government. One issue tipped to be
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: fought out at the conference is this push that we
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: keep hearing about.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: From unions from the part off.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: The Greens are on board some of the teal independence
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: for a twenty five percent tax on gas exports. Now,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I checked, oil and gas companies already pay about twenty
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: two billion a year in various taxes. I wasn't sure
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that that was nothing. You know, is twenty five percent
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: gas tax on exports a good idea on top of
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: all this?
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: No, it's a terrible idea because it doesn't make the
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: country more competitive. It doesn't encourage people to go out
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: and spend tens of billions of dollars developing gas fields
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: and developing gas plants.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: In Australia.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: We're not the only country in the world that's got gas.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Guess what.
• 35:10
  Speaker 14: And if you look at say the United States, which
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: took the opposite approach and not only opened up its
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: territories to new gas exploration, but then also reduced the
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: taxes on those who went out and found it. Because
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: it made the United States turn from being the biggest
• 35:25
  Speaker 14: net importer of gas and also oil to being the
• 35:30
  Speaker 14: biggest net exporter of that today. So Australia, which was
• 35:34
  Speaker 14: historically the first or second largest exporter of liquefied natural
• 35:38
  Speaker 14: gas in Australia, if you start to hit these companies
• 35:42
  Speaker 14: with extra taxes, they will not develop those projects here
• 35:46
  Speaker 14: in Australia. These projects, remember, cost many tens of billions
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: of dollars. The biggest is probably the one that was
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: put together a little while ago. Now, Mike Worth, the
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: boss of one of the biggest companies in their world,
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: the biggest oil companies in the world, basically told me
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: they will not invest another single dollar into Australia. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: the reason for that is because it takes too long
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: to get approvals, it costs way too much.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: And then when you've got the threat of taxes such as.
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: This, you've got really fundamental problems about really getting the
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: viability of these projects up and going. And so, as
• 36:21
  Speaker 14: I say, if you really want to kill the gas
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: industry off, you've got two things happening at the moment.
• 36:26
  Speaker 14: One gas reservation policy where every gas company that's exporting
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: has to commit twenty percent of its production back to
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: the Australian market, which is basically going to flood Australia
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: with too much gas. That might be good short term
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: cheap gas, but nobody will go out and find new gas.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And this is.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Again another problem that you have.
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: So in other words, in some ways in my mind,
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: there's almost a conspiracy here, as if you flood the
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: market with cheap gas and hit it with extra taxes,
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: the gas industry disappears.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Guess who likes that policy.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, our competitors would all love it. Africa is
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: becoming a big resource exporter as well. China is looking
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: to that. I mean, it's just so ironic what's going
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: on here. The politics of envy is now national policy.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: The war in Iran getting even more intense. Now that's
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: not just as straight up Muz. That's again virtually closed
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to oil tankers who to the extremists in Yemen, which
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: is as you know that these guys are backed by Iran.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: They say they're a tack tankers and other ships coming
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: from Saudi Arabia through the Babel Mandeb straight that's on
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the other side of the peninsula russ There are now
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: warnings from experts that saw cavonic that this could cause
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: fuel shortages worse than we've already had.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: How do you see it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah, So one of the things that we've observed is
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: the world hasn't.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Really seen a critical shortage of oil.
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: It did initially, but then actually as a result of
• 37:58
  Speaker 14: say Libyan oil being shipped in these convoys of thousands
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  Speaker 14: of oil tank as being a truck the cross Syria
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  Speaker 14: to that Red Sea to be able to get out
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  Speaker 14: through some of the Saudi and the Syrian oil terminals,
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  Speaker 14: meant that the world didn't have the critical shortage. So
• 38:15
  Speaker 14: the oil price didn't go to one hundred and fifty
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: two hundred dollars a barrel, we didn't have the deep
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  Speaker 14: recession in the world because it was another way to
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: actually get that oil out of the world. And also
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  Speaker 14: that other point that I made earlier, the United States
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: has also chipped in extra oil production out of the
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: United States. China dipping into his reserves of oil has
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  Speaker 14: meant that the world has had enough oil to get
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  Speaker 14: itself through. But if the Red Sea has closed, if
• 38:39
  Speaker 14: that actually comes to pass, then there's a significant issue.
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  Speaker 14: The big question here is why did the hooty rebels
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  Speaker 14: in Yemen why have they not come to the support
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  Speaker 14: of the Iranians earlier? And you kind of get a
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: sense that they'd done a deal with the Saudi Arabians
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  Speaker 14: earlier as part of a ceasefire agreement, they'd previously had
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  Speaker 14: to basically not close that right now. I'd suggest that
• 39:01
  Speaker 14: there would be a lot of the Middle Eastern countries
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  Speaker 14: would take a very dim view of the Emeny government
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  Speaker 14: and the Hooti rebels if they were to take that
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  Speaker 14: action and close the straight because my suggestion is that
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  Speaker 14: that would be in serious breach of some of the
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  Speaker 14: previous agreements that those hoodie rebels had made.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and those bitter recent countries have bought a hell
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: of a lot of American armaments. Maybe it's time they
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: started using them instead of leaving it to America. Mainly,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Ross Green would thank you very much for your time.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: After they break paul In Hanson speaks on domestic violence,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: but has she this time gone too far?
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  Speaker 1: The panel after this bring you good news.
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce's dog Sadie has no hard feelings about being
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: yelled at on Live TV on Monday, which caused obviously
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: then national uproar. Young journalists.
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry it's a dog.
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  Speaker 2: Joyce the One Nation MP today issued an apology on
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: National TV.
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  Speaker 12: I'm up against the lefties on the ADC and that
• 40:15
  Speaker 12: the media chin music's going pretty well and I can't
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: really hear the questions and I can't even as if think.
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  Speaker 1: And it's farm dog.
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  Speaker 12: So I gave it the farm dog instruction to do
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  Speaker 12: you mind stell it being a little bit quiet till
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: I finished this interview. I love you, darling, your beautiful dog.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: But she loves me.
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: She loved me afterwards. She loved me.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: She loves me today.
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: She must have decided that the camera was attacking me
• 40:38
  Speaker 12: and she had to defend me from. Maybe she did
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: have to defend me from Sarah Ferguson. Maybe that's what was.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Going on, joining me a gem and Tannini columnists and
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: communications consultant and Caroline the Russo commentator and President of
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the West Australian Liberals Jemma as a passionate dog lover.
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  Speaker 2: I still remember, very fond of all your columns on that. Yeah, departed, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: is this matter now closed for you?
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  Speaker 7: Look it should be closed. I'm sure my learned friend
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: has some things to say about farm dogs specifically, but
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: as perfect as perfect as Buster the border Collie, the
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: People's dogg O was. He occasionally needed to be reprimanded
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: because he was, as a border collie, spectacularly disobedient and
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: emotional manipulative when it suited him. So occasionally I had
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: to raise my voice to reassert what uh figment of
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: my imagination thought that I had authority over him. It happens,
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: And it's so ironic that the people get all upset
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: about a farm dog being told to get back in
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: its box, have no issue with other other issues around
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: the environment that are significantly more problematic. This was a
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: storm in a kennel, storm in a kennel.
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  Speaker 5: Andrew, Well, let me turn.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: For a learned opinion from a legal expert, Caroline der Ussa,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: who's this matter clothes for you?
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: Well, it should never have been opened, and I can
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: confirm that Jemma had absolutely no authority over Boston whatsoever,
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: and she was led around. He was the owner and
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: she was the servant, and it suited them both very well.
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: Let's be honest. Look, farm farm dogs are used to instructions,
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: and they're often used to instructions, you know, at a
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: decibel level, because often they might be rounding sheep in
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: the paddock and you're hollering across the paddock to get
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: them to do something. So I'm sure that Sadie is
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: pretty used to being hollered at, and they they love
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: their owners unconditionally, So I think that that was all
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: a total beat up.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: There are so.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: Many other important issues that can be discussed. It's not
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: like he kicked his dog or anything like that. He
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: just told her to sit down. But you know, the
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: lobbies always find something trivial to get exercised about, because
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: you know, it's easy.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: There you go, not so funny, yeah, but not so funny.
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: What our dogs copped was a lot more, a lot
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: more colorful than that, quite frankly so. And any farm
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: doggle any farm dog. No, Well, they don't speak English,
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: but they know.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: But Jemma Joyce is one nation leader. Pauline Hansen said
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: something today. Look, I've defended a few things she said
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: almost full tone lately, but this one about violent men
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: bashing their partners, I'm so sure I have listen.
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  Speaker 15: What's your message, Pauline Hanson to blugs who lose their bottle,
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: who get angry and bash and hurt their intimate partners
• 43:54
  Speaker 15: is wrong, but.
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  Speaker 16: It's all It's also two way street. But I'm not
• 44:00
  Speaker 16: saying that just men and women can lose their cruel
• 44:04
  Speaker 16: as well. Domestic violence is a scourge, but sometimes Look,
• 44:10
  Speaker 16: I'm not going to go in detail, but I've been
• 44:13
  Speaker 16: through it myself in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy, what do you make of that?
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: I hate the phrase It says domestic violence is a scourge,
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: but ah, there's no button that's a full stop. And
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: what miss Hansen says in that grab is objectively true.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: We know that men can be the victims of domestic violence. However,
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: what we know is that women are overwhelmingly the victims
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: of family and domestic violence. The statistics don't lie. Moreover,
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: there's financial coercive control, and Miss Hansen has her own experience,
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: and no one should question her lived experience, as we
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: shouldn't with any other victim of family and domestic violences.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: Was clearly what she was alluding to there. It is
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: a very dangerous line to skirt by diminishing the fact
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: that women are exponentially more the victims of family and
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: domestic violence than men. And that's before you go into
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: all of the things like the obvious physiological difference, the obvious,
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: you know, man versus women, you know, dynamic in the
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: financial you know, coercive control space like it is not
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: it is not a space for that kind of tender
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: tiptoeing around and saying, well, you know, men can.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Be the victims too.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I have one hand on the no, that's right, and Andrew.
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: I have male friends who have been the victims of
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: violence at the hands of their partners. They would not
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: subscribe to the language that miss Hansen used. Not not
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: at all.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Now, Caroline, you know, I just wonder whether you know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: after thirty years of kicking against the traces going, you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: fighting the popular flow and all that's put Pauling Hanson
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: and a team the sort of contrary frame of mind,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: which also explains why it attracts the occasional conspiracy theorist.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: But given all that ill judged comments.
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they are ill judged comments. And like Jemma said,
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: there's a full stop. And the problem is is if
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: you don't have a full stop, the question then becomes
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: a where's the line? And then you get into the
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: subjective this and the subjective this. And maybe it was
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: may it was just a shove, or it was just
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: a this No, no, no, don't don't no one does
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: it may The answer is just no, do not do it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: Do not be to yourself emotionally abusive, do not be
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: financially abusive, do not be physically abusive. The answer is no.
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: And it's only when we put a full stop at
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: the end that you have any chance of changing culture.
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: Otherwise there's always going to be someone who says but
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: or it was only this, or it was only that,
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: and we can't allow space for that to occur, regardless
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: whether it's marvel female. Jem has dealt with that perfectly.
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: I don't need to I don't need to stray there
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: but the thing, but I do take your point. I
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: do take your point, Andrew. When you when you are
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: pushing against you know, what is considered to be the
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: mainstream or you know, an establishment type position, sometimes those
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: boundaries can be pushed too far. And it is for
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: the reasonable voices in the media, in politics, in business,
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: cop elsewhere to just tell people where they have to
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: return to the line, because and I.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Think that I think, yeah, look, I think I think
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Hanson is having trouble moving to the next step of
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: being potentially in government.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Right and she can't just take a contrary view.
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: Jemmy, I one hundred percent agree, and I think there's
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: a reason why I've probably been a little bit less
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: hot under the collar about one nation than some others,
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: because my view is understanding the why, not just the
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: what and the when. And you know, it's a people
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: talk about, you know, the transition between for example, opposition
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: leader to leader to prime minister or premiere or whatever.
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: It's a significant transition. And Pauline Hansen's stick her, her identity,
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: her political survivalism, all of that, that's right, that's wrapped
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: up in a person who.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Is forever Praian frame moment.
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: Forever the pugilist on the side. Change she has to change.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Change from contrarian, I think too, from contrarian to more responsible.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And I think it may come, but I think that's
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: where she needs to go. Jim and Toonnini, Karen Underresso,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: thank you very much to you. Coming up next, Sherry Markson,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: good night, m HM.