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Monday Mini: What's Going on In Reality TV? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and open to stuff
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Speaker 1: I never told your prediction of by Heart Radio.
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Speaker 2: And we are back with another Monday Mini that I'm doing,
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Speaker 2: And go ahead and put some content warning on this one.
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Speaker 2: We are talking about sexual assault and abuse and drunkenness essentially.
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Speaker 2: I think because we're talking about reality shows, we're coming
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Speaker 2: back into one of those, Samantha said on TikTok corners, Uh,
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Speaker 2: because I want to talk about it. There's several things
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Speaker 2: because like I'm gonna give you a quick update on
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Speaker 2: some of those TikTok corners, things that I've seen and
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Speaker 2: I want everybody's opinion before we jump into the reality show.
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Speaker 2: One one is the uh the woman race car driver
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Speaker 2: Amber Land, which recently, if you because I think this
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Speaker 2: is like the feminist TikTok that I'm on, because I
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Speaker 2: would don't watch any racing. That's not a thing I do.
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Speaker 2: But one thing that I've seen recently is an where
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Speaker 2: they are riding together on a track and it's one
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Speaker 2: of those like where their tail to tales to begin
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Speaker 2: off with, and a dude decides to run into her
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Speaker 2: lift up the tail of the car, which causes her
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Speaker 2: to veer right, hit another car and does a pylon
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Speaker 2: and ruins the race for people. The dude gets out,
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Speaker 2: gets angry, starts banging on the car and flipping her
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Speaker 2: off as if it's her fault and as in fact
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Speaker 2: in the comments, people are like some men are like, yep,
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Speaker 2: see she ruins everything, and everybody's like, how did she
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Speaker 2: ruin anything? She didn't do anything. He did this and
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Speaker 2: he got pissed off because it dubbed everybody else. And
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Speaker 2: apparently the two people, two other drivers involved have been
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Speaker 2: like coming after her for being a woman in the
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Speaker 2: in the racing industry. That's one thing I've seen, and
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Speaker 2: then the back and forth. But the other thing that
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Speaker 2: I've been seeing recently is this reality show that has
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Speaker 2: happened recently in this episode of uh below Deck down Under.
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Speaker 2: So it's especially the show below Deck but with Australians,
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Speaker 2: Okay or or in Australia. I guess I wouldn't know. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I think it's because like the majority of them have
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Speaker 2: Australian accents, it seems. And the incident specifically, I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people probably know about it, you don't know.
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Speaker 2: Essentially was that the crew had gone off off the boat,
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Speaker 2: to have a night out. A few of them who
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Speaker 2: got really drunk, well all of them were drinking, but
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Speaker 2: a few of them got really drunk.
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Speaker 3: Came home.
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Speaker 2: One specific girl was like, I'm so done. She was
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Speaker 2: passing out. She ended up in the back with the
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Speaker 2: dude and he was like touching on her, trying to
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Speaker 2: talk to her. She's like, I just want to go
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Speaker 2: to bed. She want to go to bed. And another
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Speaker 2: one of the girls, so I think this was Margo,
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Speaker 2: was the girl who was super drunk, saying I just
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Speaker 2: want to go to sleep, but I just want to go
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Speaker 2: to sleep. And the dude was named Luke, who was
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Speaker 2: just like touching on her a little too much. And
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Speaker 2: everybody's like, hey, just remind her she's really drunk. She
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Speaker 2: just wants to go to bed. Y'all hearing her, y'all
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Speaker 2: hearing her type of conversation. And then you go back.
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Speaker 2: They get back on the boat, they're in the jacuzzi.
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Speaker 2: She's like, I'm gonna go to bed. I'm going to bed,
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Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, you know, I'll come with you.
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Speaker 2: She's like, no, I'm going to bed. So everybody's watching.
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Speaker 2: There is another woman and I think she's maybe the
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Speaker 2: head of the staff. Her name is Asha, and she's
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Speaker 2: like watching and she's like, hey, what's going on? You
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Speaker 2: know what, I'll put her to bed because she's seeing
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Speaker 2: something's happening. So she gets her together, puts her into bed,
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Speaker 2: walks away to go do something, and she's like, are
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Speaker 2: you okay? You know, take trying to take care of
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Speaker 2: like she's the mother of the boat essentially. The next
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Speaker 2: thing we see is dude coming out only in underwear
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Speaker 2: but soaking wet. Some of the conversations saying that he
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Speaker 2: was naked. I don't know. He goes into bed, gets
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Speaker 2: in the bed with her, and she is done, like
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Speaker 2: she is not conscious at that point. Like you see
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Speaker 2: the you know they have the cameras in the in
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Speaker 2: the rooms. You see him trying to get her to
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Speaker 2: wake up, and then he kind of like gets on
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Speaker 2: top of her and like he tries to shut the
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Speaker 2: door and then tries to get on top of her.
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Speaker 2: And producers actually are calling up to the crew to
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Speaker 2: be like no, no, no, stop this, stop this, go
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Speaker 2: get him off, go get him off. So they go
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Speaker 2: and grab him, get him off, like you can't be
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Speaker 2: in here, man, you can't be in hum man. Get
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Speaker 2: get out, Get out. Asha comes back in Phil, Here's something,
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Speaker 2: here's the commotion. She's like, what's what's happening? Because she
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Speaker 2: went to grab something and comes back and like goes
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Speaker 2: and like covers her, protects the girl, protects Margo. And
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Speaker 2: the next morning she wakes up and goes to the
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Speaker 2: captain and explains everything that just happened. At that point
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Speaker 2: in time. Luke, the one who did this, is woken
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Speaker 2: up and told to get off the boat. Immediately as
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Speaker 2: they're talking and having a conversation, the captain fires him
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Speaker 2: and says, we do not allow any of this and
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Speaker 2: other incidents happen. Now. The reason I'm talking about it
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Speaker 2: is because the crew and the production staff has been
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Speaker 2: praised a lot for intervening. The lot of the lines
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Speaker 2: are saying, oh, they broke the fourth wall, which is,
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Speaker 2: you know, a cardinal sin essentially in reality TV, to
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Speaker 2: protect this girl. Think you think you? Thank you. Finally
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Speaker 2: they did something. A lot of people like, that's the
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Speaker 2: minimal amount, but glad they finally did it. And then
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Speaker 2: they were praising the captain because he did. I will
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Speaker 2: say when he was talking to Asha, who Asha? Asha's
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Speaker 2: that girl? I don't want I don't watch reality show.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea. This is only coming up on TikTok,
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Speaker 2: so I have no idea who these people are. But
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Speaker 2: her intervention making sure that Margot was safe and then
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Speaker 2: coming to tell the captain immediately, as well as the
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Speaker 2: fact that Asha she was hurt and like triggered because
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Speaker 2: she had been assaulted and she talks about it. So
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Speaker 2: the captain's response is are you okay?
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Speaker 3: Is she okay?
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Speaker 2: Like everybody's like, finally, that's that's the response that should
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Speaker 2: be happening, not like what happened, We'll give me detail,
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Speaker 2: will tell me instead of saying okay, no, this is
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Speaker 2: this is done and immediately went into action. So like
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Speaker 2: all these people are being praised for the situation. So
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Speaker 2: my thought was, like, this is bare minimum. If you
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Speaker 2: are if there are witnesses who are making money of
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Speaker 2: these people, specifically the production stuff and the and like
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Speaker 2: the filming crew, why are we talking about this as
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Speaker 2: if it's a new thing, because we know situations like
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Speaker 2: this has risen many times in the history of reality TV,
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Speaker 2: which one of the conversations one of the articles I
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Speaker 2: was reading, because you know, there's there's been so many
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Speaker 2: complaints when it comes to reality TV and the manipulations
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Speaker 2: that happen as in fact, the Bachelorette was accused of
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Speaker 2: sexual assault and sexual harassment from the company and they
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Speaker 2: had to go through that. Survivor allowed for a dude
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Speaker 2: who was very sexual assaulting people to stay on the
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Speaker 2: island because it made for entertainment. I think Big Brother
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Speaker 2: had a couple of incidents like that, so many things
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Speaker 2: that I'm like, I guess I don't watch enough reality
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Speaker 2: shows when it comes to like I watched The Real World,
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Speaker 2: and if you hit somebody, you're immediately taken off. I
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Speaker 2: know that, And that was the second Real World. Like
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Speaker 2: arguing wasn't in a big deal, but everything else, But like,
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Speaker 2: is that not a common practice? And why?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean.
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Speaker 1: It's scary that you could have footage of something from
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Speaker 1: like a professional crew for a professional something that will
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Speaker 1: air that.
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Speaker 3: We didn't be enough to get this guy arrested.
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Speaker 1: That wouldn't be enough that they're like, oh, you know what,
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Speaker 1: this is entertainment value or whatever.
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Speaker 3: Let's keep rolling.
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Speaker 1: And that maybe it's great culture to such it's permeated
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Speaker 1: so much that this is more like an entertainment thing
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Speaker 1: and not something that could be.
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Speaker 3: Used as everything this case agets this.
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Speaker 2: Guy, right, So yeah, they kept recording everything. So the
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Speaker 2: next day the response was this, they had the meeting,
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Speaker 2: They're gonna fire Luke. They come back Margo. I think
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Speaker 2: it was before the meeting, but Margo didn't know what happened.
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Speaker 2: And Asha explained what happened the night before, and Margo's like, like,
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Speaker 2: you could tell she was so mortified and so shooken
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Speaker 2: up and traumatized by this incident, and she's crying and
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Speaker 2: she's trying to figure everything out. She calls her mom
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Speaker 2: and her sister and she's crying, and she goes behind
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Speaker 2: the closed door and they record it and they play it,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, are you kid? Are you? Are you
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Speaker 2: kidding me? Like I feel like that takes away from
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Speaker 2: any of the good that the crew did with that,
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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, maybe she gave them permission to
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Speaker 2: play it. I have a hard time believing that you
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Speaker 2: want people to see this, but hey, who knows. Maybe
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Speaker 2: she's stronger than stronger than me when it comes to like,
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Speaker 2: I don't want the public to see my trauma. But
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Speaker 2: thinks like that, especially when it's based on reality TV
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Speaker 2: and we already know the connotations to that, but like
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Speaker 2: they play it and she's calling, she's crying and talking
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Speaker 2: about the fact that she you know, she feels so
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Speaker 2: stupid and she feels so dumb. Why did she get
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Speaker 2: so drunk? I shouldn't have done that, Like blaming herself
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Speaker 2: a lot. Kudos to the mom and the sister who
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Speaker 2: were like, nope, you're okay. Kudos to Asia and the
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Speaker 2: other friend who was like, women should be allowed to
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Speaker 2: be drunk. That's not the problem, Like that her going
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Speaker 2: all in like again, I don't know who Asha is,
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Speaker 2: but she's that girl. Like I'm like, all right, all right,
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Speaker 2: this part I love this, thank you, because another part
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Speaker 2: of that scene is another girl named Laura, who is
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Speaker 2: the stereotype you would have thought that the villains that
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Speaker 2: are created that are so over the top. You're like, no, no,
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Speaker 2: that's not for real, is it. In which her response
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Speaker 2: to this was feeling sorry for Luke, and she said
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Speaker 2: that repeatedly. She's like, I just want to say, by Luke,
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Speaker 2: I feel so sorry for him. And then when she
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Speaker 2: was talking to the victim, Margo, she was like, well, Margo,
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Speaker 2: you know, he should have come to me. I would
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Speaker 2: have let him come to me. I wish it was
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Speaker 2: me saying that to the victim, as well as saying, well,
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Speaker 2: you never really said no to him. Y'all were flirting
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Speaker 2: all night. So I just feel bad for Luke that
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Speaker 2: she kept insinuating that, which everybody was like, what the
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Speaker 2: as well as the fact that she was harassing another person,
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Speaker 2: a dude named Adam, the entire time, trying to get
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Speaker 2: on top of him and had to be taken out
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Speaker 2: of his room as well because she was not taking
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Speaker 2: no for an answer and had to be removed by
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Speaker 2: the staff told her to leave because she wouldn't listen.
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Speaker 2: It didn't get as intense as the Margot situation, like
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Speaker 2: she didn't get naked and all that, but but it
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Speaker 2: was still like very very uncomfortable and traumatizing, and she
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Speaker 2: got fired the following day, thank goodness, but partially because
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Speaker 2: of the way she was harassing Margo at which she denied,
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Speaker 2: as well as what she was doing to Adam, so
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Speaker 2: she got dismissed as well. So it was interesting that
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Speaker 2: it was back back the incidents were and neither one
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Speaker 2: of the perpetrators see anything wrong, as in fact, Luke
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Speaker 2: got onto social media saying I'm going to do me.
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Speaker 2: I didn't do anything wrong all of these things, even
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Speaker 2: though on the show he was like, I'm really disappointed myself.
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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, and he could have just been sorry
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Speaker 2: that he got caught. I mean that's most of the time, right, so,
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Speaker 2: but there were so many things like what at what
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Speaker 2: point do these shows not realize how really damaging this is,
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Speaker 2: because like Margo was shook up the entire time. I
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Speaker 2: don't know outside of what they showed, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what all they offered, because again I'm getting like three
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Speaker 2: and it clips off of TikTok, But I will give
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Speaker 2: it to the crew of them. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: they are faking, but none of them, outside of Laura,
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Speaker 2: they all are really really supportive. At one point when
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Speaker 2: Laura was like, I'm so sad for Luke. I miss Luke.
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Speaker 2: I feel so bad for Luke, and one of the
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Speaker 2: dudes was like, well, what that doesn't well, we need
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Speaker 2: to take care of Margot right now as a crew,
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Speaker 2: we need to make sure she's okay. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: look at look at this good, Like maybe maybe people
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Speaker 2: are learning better responses instead of like what were you
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Speaker 2: doing while were you drunk, we shouldn't have done this,
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Speaker 2: and these are these things which are some of the
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Speaker 2: more typical responses that we do hear. So it is
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Speaker 2: really good to see and that the women supporting women
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Speaker 2: outside of Laura was beautiful. The captain doing something as
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Speaker 2: he did, like he without question, like without like I
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Speaker 2: need to go look at the evidence, I need to
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Speaker 2: go talk to other people. He didn't do that. He
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Speaker 2: just like, I believe you. Let's move on. So I
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Speaker 2: will say I get that, but this like this level
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Speaker 2: of reality show of like he's getting they're getting these
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Speaker 2: flowers for he's just human decency to prevent something that
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Speaker 2: was set up by a show. Like one of the
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Speaker 2: comments in these articles literally said, uh from that show
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Speaker 2: specifically is that the cast often are told when they
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Speaker 2: go to go out on outings they do have to
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Speaker 2: drink essentially, and they're like, but I just want can
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Speaker 2: we not just stay? Like this is my hell because
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Speaker 2: I'd be like, can I not just stay home on
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Speaker 2: our day off? And they're like, no, you have to
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Speaker 2: go out. So and I'm sure like the contracts when
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Speaker 2: it comes to reality shows, I don't know anything about it.
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Speaker 2: You talked about being on one, but to this level,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, and I wonder, like, what is happening
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Speaker 2: that this is still okay? And why is this formula
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Speaker 2: the way that they have set up to set up
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Speaker 2: for this Because I don't hold the well, I dude
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Speaker 2: the perpetrator. I do hold the perpetrators responsible, but just
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Speaker 2: as responsible are those who try to dictate this to happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that one thing people don't know
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Speaker 1: about reality TV show is that a lot of it
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Speaker 1: is people who want to be actors or people who
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Speaker 1: want maybe not reality TV show. But one of the
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Speaker 1: things that I don't watch reality TV shows. I don't
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Speaker 1: blame anyone that does. This is not like, oh so
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Speaker 1: much better than I don't care about that. But one
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Speaker 1: of the reasons I don't watch it is because the
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Speaker 1: one of the things that scares me most about humanity
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Speaker 1: is the links people will go for fame. And I
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Speaker 1: don't think I'm not saying everybody on a reality show
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Speaker 1: is doing that, but I'm some of them are. And
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Speaker 1: when you're thinking about like upping the drama, how do
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Speaker 1: you keep upping that drama? Then I can imagine a
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Speaker 1: thoughts in these perpetrators' heads, was this.
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Speaker 3: Is gonna up the drama.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm making a lot of attention from this, and
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Speaker 1: the staff thinks that too. Like you said, I've seen
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Speaker 1: and heard about some contracts that require a certain amount
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Speaker 1: of drinking what you're wearing, which is also something that
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Speaker 1: comes up a lot right in these blaming victim blaming conversations, right,
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Speaker 1: But also like pretty much there's a threat hanging over you.
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Speaker 1: If you're not exciting enough, you're gonna kick out. So
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Speaker 1: it is a toxic like when you think about it,
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Speaker 1: like a workplace environment of I have to do these things,
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Speaker 1: it might put me in a bad situation. They're gonna
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Speaker 1: be filming it, everyone's gonna know about it. But that's
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Speaker 1: also kind of what reality TV show is. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: so I feel like there would be this in your head,
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Speaker 1: this worry about well I can't I can't complain, or
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Speaker 1: I can't do this right, or else I'll get kicked off.
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Speaker 1: But also just it always I always feel strange about
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Speaker 1: things like The Bachelor, where they're like they go and
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Speaker 1: have sex.
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Speaker 3: And it's just.
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Speaker 1: It just feels bizarre to me that we're putting people
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Speaker 1: in this situation and consent is already messy enough and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, what is this then?
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Speaker 2: Right? Like being drinking, Like there's so many things, like
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Speaker 2: because I was interested in the below deck down under stuff,
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Speaker 2: I've been getting more reality show stuff, so I've gotten,
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Speaker 2: uh love Island, which I didn't know is a think.
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Speaker 2: I thought this was a joke and and the level
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Speaker 2: of that, that's the purpose. They literally name like casso
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Speaker 2: mora amore caso more so you'll hook up with new people,
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Speaker 2: Like why would you why would you put yourself through that?
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Speaker 2: Like trying like I don't know, they bring couples together
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Speaker 2: onto the island and then try to separate them to
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Speaker 2: find new matches. I don't know, like quite don't know this,
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Speaker 2: Someone tell me because but the episode was like literally
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Speaker 2: someone had sex with someone while the other their partner
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Speaker 2: was waiting for them and together roum or something. I
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Speaker 2: was like, Also, they are not private, they are not
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Speaker 2: like other they are not When they get caught, it
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Speaker 2: feels they seem surprised and I don't get that.
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Speaker 1: Well, like I told you in my you know, I
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Speaker 1: like that you dropped that. I've been in reality show.
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Speaker 1: The jelly show I was in was in restaurant impossible
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Speaker 1: because I wanted a free meals.
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Speaker 2: Everybody thought that you were also on Love Island.
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Speaker 3: Because that's kicked that long ago.
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Speaker 1: Uh No, it was really funny and really embarrassing because
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Speaker 1: I clearly didn't know how that show worked. So I
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Speaker 1: was just like, oh, it's good, and he was like,
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Speaker 1: it's it, and then he yelled at me at one point.
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Speaker 3: I guess it's the thing people like.
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Speaker 1: But I was just like, whatever, man, he yelled at you,
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Speaker 1: he yelled at me, because well, that what the point
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is. I didn't realize so many
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Speaker 1: people there were actors at this time.
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Speaker 2: I was on it.
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Speaker 1: I was literally just trying to get a female. But
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Speaker 1: he found a cockroach in the ice machine, I guess,
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Speaker 1: so he came out and was like holding it up.
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Speaker 1: He was like, this is in your water and I
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Speaker 1: was drinking the water.
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Speaker 3: Like ooh, and he's like you are still drinking.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, I thought it was a flavor. Note.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know, and I didn't realize we were at
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Speaker 1: the before and not the after, so I was supposed
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Speaker 1: to complain about the food, but I was like, yeah, whatever.
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Speaker 2: It's free foot the good food.
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Speaker 1: No, but that's kind of my point is when you
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Speaker 1: know the game of it, when you know, like the
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Speaker 1: drama of it, what they want, you'll play that up.
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Speaker 3: So I bet plenty of people do you realize they
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Speaker 3: might get.
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Speaker 2: And just play it into it? So I wonder if
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Speaker 2: that's faked, you know. And on top of that, because
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Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the social media again, my feet
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Speaker 2: is specific to my my interests, and I have more
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Speaker 2: of like, oh, this is good, this is amazing. These
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Speaker 2: are the things. So I haven't seen because I'm sure
19:09
Speaker 2: there's enough trolls out there that talked about how she
19:12
Speaker 2: was drunk again and she was laying on him, So
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Speaker 2: why didn't Why did all these all these conversations that
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Speaker 2: happen again having the attitude kind of like Laura because
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Speaker 2: he was a good look obviously, anybody on reality TV
19:22
Speaker 2: like these are gonna be good looking, and like Laura
19:25
Speaker 2: being like I would let him in my bed, I
19:26
Speaker 2: wish it was me like having bad conversation as well.
19:41
Speaker 2: And I know we had gotten a listener request about
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Speaker 2: women of color, and.
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Speaker 1: We got a listener request with a recommendation of who
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Speaker 1: we should bring on to talk about it, which I
19:54
Speaker 1: would much prefer rather than I was.
19:55
Speaker 2: Talking yes, but like like women of color being really
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Speaker 2: harassed on there, and again Love Island is kind of like,
20:02
Speaker 2: especially the US one, I could see that level of
20:04
Speaker 2: abuse that happens and the way they portray the women
20:08
Speaker 2: and shows like that. But I definitely read an article
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Speaker 2: and I think our listener referenced this at one point
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one how women do get so much
20:17
Speaker 2: trolling online and that the research shows that it is
20:21
Speaker 2: women of color who are the ones that are the
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Speaker 2: biggest targets. As in fact, this report is from The
20:28
Speaker 2: Guardian and it's titled women on reality TV shows get
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Speaker 2: far more abuse online than men, and it was a
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Speaker 2: specific study. It says that it has become an unfortunate
20:39
Speaker 2: pattern that with the advent of new reality seasons or
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Speaker 2: show seasons, that inevitably follows an onslaught of harassment and
20:45
Speaker 2: abuse leveled against those on the show, from contestants to
20:48
Speaker 2: presenters to bystanders. This is not just online discussion getting heated.
20:52
Speaker 2: This abuse has escalated to participants in these shows disproportionately women,
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Speaker 2: especially women of color. And it goes on to say
20:59
Speaker 2: the researchers know a particular recurrence of gender tropes in
21:03
Speaker 2: the social media posts, including those which characterized women as devious,
21:07
Speaker 2: mentally unstable, emotionally volatile, evil, annoying, or attention seeking. Women
21:12
Speaker 2: were also much more likely to be quote the subject
21:15
Speaker 2: of extreme misogynistic sexualization and objectrification than men on all
21:21
Speaker 2: of that. And yeah, that's kind of that level of
21:24
Speaker 2: what is expected, and so what is allowed in these
21:27
Speaker 2: levels and who's portrayed to be whom and how they're portrayed.
21:32
Speaker 2: I can't. I am so confused by the standards that
21:36
Speaker 2: seem to not exist. And I know a lot of
21:38
Speaker 2: these articles that I've been reading talk about the way
21:41
Speaker 2: the contracts are written, yep, that the participants cannot pursue
21:47
Speaker 2: charges or sue companies. And I know there's a few
21:50
Speaker 2: that again Bachelorette had with season where they were sued.
21:54
Speaker 2: It looked like I didn't realize the real world had
21:56
Speaker 2: actually been sued as well, because there's an allegation of
21:59
Speaker 2: being drugged by a cast a fellow cast member and
22:03
Speaker 2: possibly raped as well as like the Road Road Rules,
22:06
Speaker 2: which I really used to like that show because they
22:08
Speaker 2: were competitive and it was silly. Then it got real,
22:11
Speaker 2: like it went from like competitive to like to what
22:14
Speaker 2: we know today like it would. It was, Oh well, damn,
22:17
Speaker 2: y know, I really hate each other, Okay, I thought
22:19
Speaker 2: this was a game whatever, and they and then they
22:23
Speaker 2: had the allegations of like pretty vile allegations of what
22:26
Speaker 2: happened on set. But because of the way the contracts written, uh,
22:30
Speaker 2: the production studios were not necessarily held liable in any
22:34
Speaker 2: of these Now different stats show that it has changed, uh,
22:39
Speaker 2: Like the safety has kind of gotten better again, like
22:42
Speaker 2: with the fact that the production crew was able to
22:44
Speaker 2: step in or actually did step in, was surprising to many,
22:47
Speaker 2: which again is so disappointing to me. But the fact
22:49
Speaker 2: that it has gotten more and more strict. They have
22:52
Speaker 2: started to downplay the alcohol, it seems in some of
22:56
Speaker 2: the shows. But like I know Real Housewives, at one
23:00
Speaker 2: point several women would be cut because they were not
23:02
Speaker 2: interesting enough quote unquote, meaning they just skipped to their
23:06
Speaker 2: side and just drank wine and smiled, and so they
23:09
Speaker 2: were cut and replaced by someone else who could have
23:12
Speaker 2: more drama or at least they knew that they would
23:14
Speaker 2: hate each other. It's purposely just to do it. And
23:17
Speaker 2: I know Bethany, who I don't love from the Real
23:20
Speaker 2: Housewives of New York she is suing currently, so that
23:25
Speaker 2: she's suing a Bravo for something about abusing and manipulating
23:29
Speaker 2: its cast members. Again, which the manipulation part it's not
23:36
Speaker 2: acceptable obviously, but that this is kind of that whole
23:40
Speaker 2: key point of what reality TV has become. Yeah, or
23:43
Speaker 2: maybe has always been, let's be honest, Yeah.
23:46
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I said, it's a the environments. Essentially,
23:53
Speaker 1: what you want to get out of a reality TV
23:55
Speaker 1: show is people being like messy and angry and dramatic,
23:58
Speaker 1: and that allows for a lot of bad bees. Youre right,
24:01
Speaker 1: and sort of this idea like that's what you're trying
24:03
Speaker 1: to film, So when do you step in? Which is yeah,
24:06
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that frightens me the most
24:08
Speaker 1: about the human psyche is the whole thing.
24:14
Speaker 2: Right again, so as these things turn, I mean, I
24:17
Speaker 2: haven't paid attention to the Bethany Frankel suit. I just
24:20
Speaker 2: saw it coming out around the same time that all
24:22
Speaker 2: the big hubbub was about blow Deck and the Praises.
24:26
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's that conversation was like, I
24:28
Speaker 2: don't pay attention necessarily because all I do is watch
24:31
Speaker 2: k dramas now or stick with my Supernatural reruns and
24:38
Speaker 2: New Girl reruns. So I'm sad, but it seems like whore,
24:43
Speaker 2: especially with the strike happening. What are we watching, what
24:46
Speaker 2: are we condoning, and what are we allowing just for
24:48
Speaker 2: entertainment's sake?
24:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that that's one of the interesting
24:51
Speaker 1: things about the strike, and in this case with sag Is,
24:56
Speaker 1: as we said in that strike episode, is right after
25:00
Speaker 1: the strike happens, that's when all the reality shows like
25:02
Speaker 1: boomed the first time, and then I saw it again
25:05
Speaker 1: immediately in my in my feed, and it's when you
25:11
Speaker 1: sign those contracts and you don't know, you don't have
25:13
Speaker 1: those protections, right, It's just I guess I've heard of
25:17
Speaker 1: this show or I've heard of something like this show.
25:19
Speaker 1: It's probably okay, and then they're not looking out for you.
25:22
Speaker 1: They don't care. It's a business.
25:25
Speaker 2: It's a business.
25:27
Speaker 3: Yep. But there's plenty more we could talk about.
25:30
Speaker 1: And I know some of you listeners. I was just
25:32
Speaker 1: talking to a friend about this the other day. She
25:35
Speaker 1: doesn't watch The Bachelor, but she listens to Bachelor podcasts,
25:38
Speaker 1: and she has one that's two men and one that's
25:40
Speaker 1: two women, and she loves listening to the difference in
25:43
Speaker 1: the takes between the two.
25:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, in front of the show and as she does
25:49
Speaker 2: a bulow deck she did. I don't know if she
25:51
Speaker 2: still does a below deck podcast. So we watch that.
25:55
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it. I just know that
25:57
Speaker 2: she really enjoys it.
25:59
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So we would love to hear from you listeners.
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