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- 0:05Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and SMITHA welcome stuff I never
- 0:07Speaker 1: told you productive I hearted you, and welcome to twenty
- 0:19Speaker 1: twenty six. As this comes out, this is our first
- 0:23Speaker 1: recording session of twenty twenty six. So we're easing into things.
- 0:26Speaker 1: We're easing into things, and that is why we're bringing
- 0:29Speaker 1: you a classic when one was not anticipated. I had
- 0:32Speaker 1: a really big headache yesterday and things just did not
- 0:34Speaker 1: go well for me.
- 0:34Speaker 2: Life happens twenty twenty six came with a bang.
- 0:37Speaker 1: It did, and you will hear about it in our
- 0:41Speaker 1: happy hour. But we hope all is going well for you.
- 0:46Speaker 1: I know that at this time of year. We've talked
- 0:49Speaker 1: about this before on Sminty. We're not really big resolutions people,
- 0:54Speaker 1: but you're getting kind of bombarded by that type of messaging.
- 0:57Speaker 1: And I do have what I would call goals, and
- 1:01Speaker 1: I I've also got a new habit that where every
- 1:06Speaker 1: New Year, I'm like, my new year is officially going
- 1:09Speaker 1: to begin February, like I give myself deadline.
- 1:15Speaker 3: I feel like I.
- 1:16Speaker 1: Used to be really good at that stuff, but now
- 1:18Speaker 1: I just have so many like birthdays that happen. I
- 1:22Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff that happens in January and
- 1:23Speaker 1: early February.
- 1:25Speaker 3: That's I don't want to make an excuse, but that's
- 1:28Speaker 3: why I started doing it.
- 1:30Speaker 2: You just New Year, It's okay, that's what I tell myself.
- 1:33Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wanted to bring this one back because
- 1:38Speaker 1: it is something that people at the beginning of the
- 1:40Speaker 1: New year talk about, is.
- 1:41Speaker 3: Hobbies, new hobbies.
- 1:43Speaker 1: And we did this Monday many on women and hobbies
- 1:47Speaker 1: and picking up things. So I was just I'm wondering, Samantha,
- 1:51Speaker 1: check in, how are your hobbies going.
- 1:54Speaker 2: I got news. Yes, I have stuck with a few.
- 1:58Speaker 3: Yes, because I think this from a year ago exactly.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Yeah, my gardening was successful. I've talked about that. I
- 2:06Speaker 2: found a new game that I liked is interesting and haunting.
- 2:10Speaker 2: Oh yes, and I've continued in my Zoomba Slash Cardio
- 2:16Speaker 2: gam journey to the point that I have been. I
- 2:18Speaker 2: have now certified, and I've applied to things nice. I'm
- 2:25Speaker 2: doing better.
- 2:27Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Yes, well, congratulations, thank you, thank you.
- 2:34Speaker 1: It's exciting. I don't really I I think I'm just
- 2:40Speaker 1: continuing on the path a lot of writing. My goal
- 2:45Speaker 1: is to organize my apartment more and I do really
- 2:48Speaker 1: want to learn asl.
- 2:52Speaker 2: I love.
- 2:54Speaker 3: I knew. I didn't know a lot.
- 2:56Speaker 1: That's a that's misleading, but I knew it pretty well
- 2:59Speaker 1: for a while because we we.
- 3:02Speaker 3: Had to learn it in fifth grade.
- 3:03Speaker 2: I think everybody goes through that, like right, because we did.
- 3:06Speaker 2: Did you learn a whole new song a whole song
- 3:08Speaker 2: with it?
- 3:09Speaker 3: I don't remember a song.
- 3:10Speaker 2: Oh, we did a whole song. We performed a whole
- 3:12Speaker 2: song in asl Oh nice.
- 3:15Speaker 3: Interesting.
- 3:16Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's one of the things I'm looking into doing.
- 3:21Speaker 1: But we would love to hear from you listeners. If
- 3:23Speaker 1: you have any hobby updates or anything you're looking into,
- 3:28Speaker 1: please let us know. But in the meantime, please enjoy
- 3:30Speaker 1: this classic episode.
- 3:36Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
- 3:38Speaker 3: I'm welcome to steff when never told your production of iHeartRadio.
- 3:50Speaker 2: So, I don't know if I'm the only one who
- 3:54Speaker 2: did this, but after the results of the elections of
- 3:58Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, putting a timestampessed November twenty twenty four
- 4:02Speaker 2: for y' all to know, and we are well past
- 4:04Speaker 2: the election results and we are not okay. But with
- 4:09Speaker 2: all of that, after getting past the initial sad slash
- 4:12Speaker 2: for me sleepy morning stage, I started digging into like
- 4:18Speaker 2: a type of survival mode, which include for me, breadmaking. Yeah,
- 4:24Speaker 2: bought a breadmaker. By the way, I have made four
- 4:26Speaker 2: different loads of bread successfully. They've been edible. Yes, they've edible. Hey,
- 4:33Speaker 2: that's success. That's success for me. Gardening or at least
- 4:37Speaker 2: plotting to do a garden. I am now invested into
- 4:41Speaker 2: looking and actually participating in gardening, which is a weird
- 4:45Speaker 2: place for me because I've never cared, not cared, but
- 4:47Speaker 2: I just don't feel like I'll be successful because all
- 4:49Speaker 2: my plants die. But at this point, I'm like, I'm
- 4:51Speaker 2: gonna try. Let's at least, you know, plant the potato.
- 4:54Speaker 2: Apparently that's all year long in Georgia, so we're gonna
- 4:57Speaker 2: go completely Irish Scottish and just do potatoes to survive
- 5:02Speaker 2: on those. And then also really digging into my newest
- 5:06Speaker 2: dangerous hobby of punch needling thanks TikTok. Like I saw
- 5:11Speaker 2: them doing it and I was like, oh wait, I
- 5:13Speaker 2: get to stab things. I can do that. I think
- 5:17Speaker 2: I can do that. And for the record, yes, I
- 5:20Speaker 2: have already stabbed myself over fifty times. Yeah, but I've
- 5:24Speaker 2: only bled a couple of times. So a win is
- 5:29Speaker 2: a win. Yes, I've punctured my skin about three times,
- 5:34Speaker 2: but out of fifty, that's not bad.
- 5:36Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah.
- 5:39Speaker 2: My partner was like, I think we need to send
- 5:41Speaker 2: the tysher needles fair enough.
- 5:43Speaker 3: Yeah, fair Probably.
- 5:45Speaker 2: There's a lot of sharp things, but I've really gotten
- 5:48Speaker 2: into them. I needed something to double task. I guess
- 5:52Speaker 2: our multitask as I was doom scrolling and planning my
- 5:55Speaker 2: exit plan just in case I am deported, which has
- 5:59Speaker 2: become real fear, by the way, that I am trying
- 6:02Speaker 2: to plan for just in case if any of our
- 6:05Speaker 2: listeners are like immigration, you know, lawyers and want to
- 6:10Speaker 2: call me about my naturalization that I've had for over
- 6:12Speaker 2: thirty years. But you know, as a feminist, maybe in danger,
- 6:17Speaker 2: especially as an Asian person because apparently Chinese people are
- 6:20Speaker 2: the first one, and we know how well white people
- 6:22Speaker 2: do in differentiating. But anyway, so it just seemed like
- 6:26Speaker 2: a good time to pick up a new hobby. Again.
- 6:30Speaker 2: By the way, I have a lot of coasters that
- 6:32Speaker 2: resemble resemble either a scenic view or mushrooms. I'm still
- 6:37Speaker 2: in the learning process.
- 6:38Speaker 3: Any you've come a long way. You've sent me pictures,
- 6:41Speaker 3: I've sent pictures.
- 6:42Speaker 2: Well's so funny is the way that it works. One
- 6:45Speaker 2: side looks better than the other side, but the one
- 6:47Speaker 2: side that looks better is not the side you're supposed
- 6:49Speaker 2: to display. Yeah, if you are a punchnateler, you know
- 6:55Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, because the way it loves. But
- 6:56Speaker 2: you can do all these different types of designs. And
- 6:58Speaker 2: I'm figuring that out, y'all. I'm figuring this out. I'm
- 7:01Speaker 2: doing I've got a lot of coasters, unnecessarily because we
- 7:05Speaker 2: don't have that much surface space, but hey, my partner
- 7:09Speaker 2: has got fifteen of them on his small desk.
- 7:11Speaker 3: Now we're very prolific.
- 7:14Speaker 2: You'll be getting some dismissions and you'll be getting some
- 7:17Speaker 2: as well. And Katie too, our friend who comes over
- 7:21Speaker 2: and dog says, I'm like, you have to take some
- 7:22Speaker 2: coasters home. They don't look great, but just take them
- 7:24Speaker 2: home anyway. Yes, a lot of us, I think, are
- 7:29Speaker 2: in need of some type of stress relief that comes
- 7:33Speaker 2: from finding hobbies. And of course we have some studies
- 7:36Speaker 2: that back us in this conversation. So here's some information
- 7:39Speaker 2: from connect heealth dot org about it. It actually reduces stress.
- 7:42Speaker 2: And here's a quote. Hobbies are a perfect way to
- 7:45Speaker 2: distract yourself after a busy day. It provides you with
- 7:49Speaker 2: the opportunity to have some me time and gives you
- 7:52Speaker 2: an outlet for releasing stress built up from the day
- 7:56Speaker 2: and is a recent survey on stress and well being
- 7:58Speaker 2: conducted by the Austria in Psychological Society four and five.
- 8:02Speaker 2: Participants found activities like listening to music and spending time
- 8:06Speaker 2: on a hobby was an effective way of managing stress.
- 8:10Speaker 2: So take time out of your busy day to start
- 8:12Speaker 2: painting or go outside and take some photos. You don't
- 8:15Speaker 2: have to. This is a suggestions and from WebMD dot com.
- 8:20Speaker 2: Keeping yourself engaged during your leisure time lowers or stress levels.
- 8:24Speaker 2: Research found that adults who take out time to practice
- 8:26Speaker 2: art found the time they spent to be relaxing, enjoyable,
- 8:30Speaker 2: and helpful. They also shared that the sessions led to
- 8:33Speaker 2: an increased desire to continue improving their skills. More importantly,
- 8:38Speaker 2: the cortisol levels of the participants who took part in
- 8:40Speaker 2: this study was measured before and after these sessions. The
- 8:44Speaker 2: study found that there was a noticeable decrease in cortisol
- 8:47Speaker 2: levels after the sessions. Cortisol is the human stress hormone
- 8:51Speaker 2: and your body's stress level is linked to a spike
- 8:54Speaker 2: in cortisol levels. So hey, there's proof. Do your activities
- 8:59Speaker 2: it improves your mental health. Also so again from connectealth
- 9:03Speaker 2: dot org. Engaging in creative activities such as songwriting, knitting,
- 9:08Speaker 2: visual art, and musical performance have all been shown to
- 9:12Speaker 2: increase positive moods. Particularly, engaging in such activities has resulted
- 9:17Speaker 2: in an upward spiral of increased well being in many
- 9:21Speaker 2: young adults. Young adults y'all hear me. Students found that
- 9:25Speaker 2: more time spent towards creative activities produce more positive emotions. Additionally,
- 9:31Speaker 2: creative activities allow you to expand neural connections in your brain.
- 9:35Speaker 2: This has been linked to the release of feel good
- 9:37Speaker 2: hormones such as dopamine. Spending as little as two hours
- 9:41Speaker 2: per week on a task you enjoy, such as music
- 9:43Speaker 2: or photography, can help you lead a more positive life.
- 9:47Speaker 2: And again back to the WebMD article, having a hobby
- 9:51Speaker 2: leads to improved mental health. If your hobby involves physical activity,
- 9:55Speaker 2: it'll lead to reduced stress and a lower blood pressure
- 9:58Speaker 2: and heart rate. That measured both positive and negative psychological
- 10:02Speaker 2: stress found that those who took time frequently to do
- 10:05Speaker 2: leisure activities that they enjoyed, had lower blood pressure, waste circumference,
- 10:09Speaker 2: and b am. Taking your physical activity outdoors are better. Still,
- 10:13Speaker 2: closer to nature has many benefits such as improved mood
- 10:16Speaker 2: and better focus. You can achieve this by spending just
- 10:19Speaker 2: ten minutes outdoors. Another study found that those who took
- 10:23Speaker 2: part in physical activities went through fewer days of poor
- 10:25Speaker 2: mental health compared to those who did not exercise. Meanwhile,
- 10:29Speaker 2: challenging your brain by taking up intellectually rewarding activities not
- 10:32Speaker 2: only helps improve your brain activity, but also increases your confidence.
- 10:37Speaker 2: Learning new skills, such as withcrafting or quilting, also helps
- 10:40Speaker 2: you contribute to people's lives by sharing your expertise with others.
- 10:45Speaker 2: So so many to get great things. I did look
- 10:47Speaker 2: at quilting. I wondered if I could do that, but
- 10:49Speaker 2: that just felt like too much investing.
- 10:51Speaker 1: I have a friend who you know, it's Katie but
- 10:55Speaker 1: not the other Katie that we're talking about, who quilts.
- 10:58Speaker 1: And she's shown me like designs and then told me
- 11:02Speaker 1: how long it's going to take her to do it.
- 11:04Speaker 2: And I'm like wow, yeah, wow, yeah, intense.
- 11:08Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's given me She made me a scarf
- 11:11Speaker 1: which was not quilting, and I love it.
- 11:13Speaker 3: So it is true.
- 11:14Speaker 1: It's a nice thing when your friend gets a hobby,
- 11:17Speaker 1: if you get a little I love your coasters.
- 11:20Speaker 2: I was gonna say it could be a nice thing
- 11:22Speaker 2: if they're good at it.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like if you're really good friends
- 11:27Speaker 1: with someone and you already know I'm really sentimental, I'll
- 11:30Speaker 1: just be like Samad that loves me, even if it's
- 11:32Speaker 1: you just being like, please take this.
- 11:35Speaker 2: You have mush runs now for a coaster. It's not
- 11:38Speaker 2: very steady, don't use it.
- 11:40Speaker 3: I love it.
- 11:41Speaker 2: I love it.
- 11:42Speaker 1: If it's not functional, that's even better, soudo functional.
- 11:47Speaker 2: I've been testing it out. With all these good things
- 12:00Speaker 2: and why we need these things. There's also that small
- 12:03Speaker 2: caveat it seems women are less likely to have as
- 12:06Speaker 2: many hobbies as men. In fact, some even argue some
- 12:11Speaker 2: men that women shouldn't have hobbies. I guess women too,
- 12:14Speaker 2: because you know people, women sometimes just fall into that, Yeah,
- 12:17Speaker 2: we need to be taken care of our husbands not
- 12:19Speaker 2: having hobbies type of conversation. And I say that very
- 12:22Speaker 2: pointedly at a specific group of women. In spoiler alert.
- 12:26Speaker 2: Is also because women don't have as much free time.
- 12:30Speaker 2: Here's a bit from an article written in Fashion journal
- 12:33Speaker 2: dot com dot au by Mattie McCown. She says, according
- 12:36Speaker 2: to the ABS's latest Time You survey, we girly pops
- 12:40Speaker 2: don't get afforded the same amount of luxurious leisure time.
- 12:43Speaker 2: We're spending an extra hour per day on unpaid domestic
- 12:47Speaker 2: work than our male counterparts, and it takes an unfair
- 12:50Speaker 2: piece of our free time. Pie. So as the pink
- 12:53Speaker 2: tax stabs us in the back yet again and bites
- 12:56Speaker 2: into our free time, the pastime divide starts to make
- 12:59Speaker 2: itself clear. So here's some more information from a twenty
- 13:02Speaker 2: seventeen article from Telegraph dot co dot uk. So the
- 13:05Speaker 2: Telegraph women spend less time on hobbies because their hours
- 13:09Speaker 2: are taken up by housework and childcare. Analysis of oens's
- 13:13Speaker 2: data suggests the first ever analysis of leisure time carried
- 13:16Speaker 2: out by the Office for National Statistics has found that
- 13:19Speaker 2: men spend around half an hour every week more than
- 13:22Speaker 2: women enjoying themselves, and the gap is even larger when
- 13:26Speaker 2: it comes to hobbies. Men spend an average of four
- 13:28Speaker 2: hours and thirty nine minutes every week on hobbies computing
- 13:32Speaker 2: and games, while women spend just two hours and thirty
- 13:35Speaker 2: eight minutes on the same activities. Overall, men spent six
- 13:39Speaker 2: hours and nine minutes per day on leisure pursuits compared
- 13:42Speaker 2: to five hours and twenty nine minutes spent by women.
- 13:46Speaker 2: But of course there are those who are saying women
- 13:49Speaker 2: don't have hobbies or their hobbies aren't hobbies, which is
- 13:52Speaker 2: odd in general. So again from that fashion journal dot com.
- 13:56Speaker 2: The topic for discussion as we entered part two of
- 13:58Speaker 2: this gender hobby dissection is drum roll please value. As
- 14:03Speaker 2: the writer mentioned, there are few fun activities she considers
- 14:06Speaker 2: to be her hobbies, but their merit has often been
- 14:10Speaker 2: questioned if she talks about some of the things that
- 14:13Speaker 2: she does. But it's the activities that tend to be
- 14:17Speaker 2: met with that's not a hobby from the men in
- 14:19Speaker 2: her life. As female hobbies are devalued, the consequence is
- 14:23Speaker 2: women and girls are less likely to talk about them.
- 14:27Speaker 2: But you know, let's keep it optimistic, she says, Just
- 14:29Speaker 2: because our hobbies can be criticized and dismiss it's not
- 14:31Speaker 2: like we don't have them. It's true. And another article
- 14:34Speaker 2: from the Virago charity Turcula writes about the fact that
- 14:37Speaker 2: not only do women not have quote real hobbies, but
- 14:41Speaker 2: if they do, they're ruining it. Yes, here's being sarcastic.
- 14:45Speaker 2: So like many others, my eyes at first opened with
- 14:48Speaker 2: a clip from the Good Grow, Bad Bro podcast, which
- 14:50Speaker 2: went viral in twenty twenty two. I can remember the
- 14:53Speaker 2: exact moment I heard him under the words how many
- 14:56Speaker 2: girls do you know who actually have hobbies? A horrify
- 15:00Speaker 2: I gasp escaped my mouth, my crochet hook plummeted to
- 15:03Speaker 2: the floor. Dread washed over me. It was true, I
- 15:06Speaker 2: never had a hobby. However, the sentiment is neither new
- 15:10Speaker 2: nor novel. Whistleblowers have been trying to get through to
- 15:12Speaker 2: the masses for years, but no one was ready to listen.
- 15:16Speaker 2: No one was ready to learn that the female race
- 15:18Speaker 2: is void of any personal interests, at least a substance,
- 15:22Speaker 2: and she continues. Unlike women, men actually have real hobbies.
- 15:26Speaker 2: These superior pastimes include watching movies, buying smartphones, and looking
- 15:31Speaker 2: at cars. I have never ever seen a car. Maybe
- 15:35Speaker 2: that's why I keep getting into accidents. But this can't
- 15:38Speaker 2: really be true, can't it? Because it is in fact
- 15:40Speaker 2: well documented that women like to charge their phone. Twirk
- 15:43Speaker 2: be bisexual eat hot chips and lie. So why can't
- 15:48Speaker 2: my girl math make sense of this equation? Great, So
- 15:52Speaker 2: obviously all of these are very sarcastic in nature, and
- 15:55Speaker 2: talking about the fact that men just don't believe women
- 15:59Speaker 2: have hobbies be fair. I fell into that my own
- 16:02Speaker 2: self because I'm like, I need to find a hobby
- 16:04Speaker 2: because I don't do enough stuff. I just sit here.
- 16:08Speaker 1: Well, we talked about this too, because I also have
- 16:12Speaker 1: a strangeness around saying I have a hobby.
- 16:15Speaker 3: But it's less that they don't feel like hobbies to
- 16:18Speaker 3: be and it is. It is this though, because to me,
- 16:21Speaker 3: like when I think of hobby, I think of.
- 16:22Speaker 1: Like, oh, you made like a lego, like you do legos'.
- 16:28Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I.
- 16:29Speaker 1: Just have a very specific thing that comes to my head.
- 16:32Speaker 1: I would put like crocheting and stuff in there, absolutely right,
- 16:36Speaker 1: But the stuff I do should also be in there too,
- 16:38Speaker 1: So I think there really there is a strangeness around
- 16:40Speaker 1: what we're allowing to be a hobby.
- 16:45Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, And that's such a hilarious conversation. But again,
- 16:50Speaker 2: so the same author addresses the fact that when women
- 16:53Speaker 2: cut start to become interested in quote unquote real hobbies,
- 16:56Speaker 2: they aren't doing it right, or they're just plain ruin,
- 17:00Speaker 2: including the sacred of all sacred hobbies gaming. When we've
- 17:05Speaker 2: talked about this, so she writes, not many people know this,
- 17:08Speaker 2: but the problem in Genesis was it that Eve took
- 17:10Speaker 2: an apple from the tree of knowledge. It's the fact
- 17:13Speaker 2: that she had the audacity to turn the MacBook on,
- 17:16Speaker 2: download Tetris and crush Adam every time he reached a
- 17:20Speaker 2: new high score.
- 17:21Speaker 1: For this.
- 17:24Speaker 2: For this, women received the curse of painful childbirth and
- 17:27Speaker 2: the duty of homemaking, so that they would be too
- 17:29Speaker 2: busy to even think about video games. Men, on the
- 17:33Speaker 2: other hand, would have to compensate for Adam's embarrassment with
- 17:36Speaker 2: manual labor to prove their masculinity and motivate them to
- 17:40Speaker 2: get good once they return to the man cave. But
- 17:43Speaker 2: this vital lesson has long been forgotten, and modern gaming
- 17:47Speaker 2: has been flooded with women once again. Yes, she's talking
- 17:50Speaker 2: about the pavot. Women ruin gaming. Yes, we've talked about
- 17:53Speaker 2: this many times. Of course you already know our opinion
- 17:57Speaker 2: in that specific manner. I think it's hilarious. This is
- 18:00Speaker 2: that conversation either that women's hobbies are not real hobbies.
- 18:04Speaker 2: But once they do things that men are interested in,
- 18:07Speaker 2: they're bad at it, or they're ruining it, or they're
- 18:09Speaker 2: making sure. They don't really know about it. Yeah, they
- 18:11Speaker 2: don't really know about this. They're faking it.
- 18:15Speaker 3: Especially if you're good.
- 18:17Speaker 1: Right, they're all fine to be like, Oh, she knows
- 18:20Speaker 1: how to play a Halo and then you kick it Halo.
- 18:23Speaker 3: Suddenly she is the worst person. She needs to I
- 18:27Speaker 3: never want to see her again.
- 18:29Speaker 2: I can't touch my games. Do touch my games? And
- 18:32Speaker 2: they throw the games against the wall.
- 18:34Speaker 3: They break their TV?
- 18:36Speaker 1: Right yeah?
- 18:36Speaker 2: Right, Oh you gotta love it. So you know, with
- 18:41Speaker 2: all of that, let us know about your hobbies. How
- 18:44Speaker 2: are you distressing taking breaks or multitasking while trying to
- 18:49Speaker 2: figure out how to survive in this moment? How has
- 18:52Speaker 2: it helped you? Do you have suggestions for us? And
- 18:55Speaker 2: of course do you have advice on how to stop
- 18:57Speaker 2: injuring myself with my new hobbies? Also, any good recipes
- 19:01Speaker 2: for my breadmaker because I need that too?
- 19:04Speaker 1: Yes, and again I will happily take the bridge of
- 19:11Speaker 1: your hobby. Uh.
- 19:13Speaker 3: Yes, listeners, we would love to hear from you about this.
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