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Virginia Roberts Giuffre sues Prince Andrew, Alleging Sexual Abuse as a Minor · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking Now the Prince of York,
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. I guess his last name is York. His
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Speaker 1: last name could be windsor doesn't matter. Prince Andrew, the
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Speaker 1: son of Queen Elizabeth, the monarch of Great Britain the Empire,
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Speaker 1: is now being sued in court by an American woman.
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Speaker 1: Basis of the lawsuit sex abuse, not just sex abuse,
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Speaker 1: child sex abuse. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What's happening, Well,
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Speaker 1: hold onto your hat and take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: She believes as I do, that no one, no president,
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Speaker 1: no Prime minister, no Prince of England, is above the law.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many contacts you have, doesnt matter
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Speaker 1: who your family is, doesn't matter how much wealth you have.
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Speaker 1: You're not above the law. And no one, no matter
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Speaker 1: how young or vulnerable or powerless, is deprived to the
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Speaker 1: protection of the law. That is the bedrock principle of
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Speaker 1: American law, and I believe it's a bedrock principle of
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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom from which we got our law. Well,
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Speaker 1: he's absolutely correct. That is well known renowned lawyer David Boys,
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Speaker 1: who was representing this woman, Virginia Jeffries in her lawsuit
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Speaker 1: against Prince Andrew. We America got our jurisprudence, our body
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Speaker 1: of law, our common law from Great Britain. That's where
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Speaker 1: we got the bedrock of our constitution. It's easier said
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Speaker 1: than done. Right, No one's above the law. Yeah, in principle,
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Speaker 1: but somehow Prince Andrew has managed to skirt many many claims. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy graceis is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. You were just hearing Virginia Jeffries, lawyer David
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Speaker 1: boy speaking to ITV joining me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make some sense of what's going on, and to
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Speaker 1: although I'm sure they're not betting people like myself and
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Speaker 1: to given the odds, will Prince Andrew your slash windsor
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Speaker 1: you can't even get a brit to really tell you
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Speaker 1: his life name. I've asked, some say York, some say
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Speaker 1: Windsor will he ever be brought to justice? What are
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Speaker 1: the odds that Queen Elizabeth's son is going to cowtow
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Speaker 1: to an American courtroom with me, high profile lawyer out
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Speaker 1: of Seattle and Bremner, author of Justice in the Age
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Speaker 1: of Judgment, And you can find her at and Bremner
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalist, joining us out
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Speaker 1: of la. You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. She's a star of a new Netflix series
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Speaker 1: Netflix series Bleeding Empire. Death investigator forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Professor forensics
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Speaker 1: Jacksonall State University, and he is now the star of
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Speaker 1: the Piketon Massacre, returned to Pike County on iHeart, but
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Speaker 1: first to a special guest joining us, Charlie Linkston sees
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Speaker 1: the editor of Female fe Nail at dailymail dot com,
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Speaker 1: Trulie Langston. First of all, let's clear this up. Is
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Speaker 1: it Andrew York or Andrew Windsor. Technically the royal family's
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Speaker 1: name last name is Windsor, but they don't really use
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Speaker 1: a last name, So it's Prince Andrew or the Duke
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Speaker 1: of York, whichever you prefer. So if they were to
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Speaker 1: have to write a check, he would just write Andrew
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Speaker 1: like Sheer or Elvis or what would probably write Prince Andrew,
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Speaker 1: or he would write the Duke of York. But the
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Speaker 1: Royal family typically aren't cashing or writing many checks, nor
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Speaker 1: do they typically use credit cards. They have staff who
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Speaker 1: use credit cards on their behalf. Okay, then who was
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Speaker 1: paying the bills that night at tramps Bar? I very
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Speaker 1: much have I jumped ahead the night he was with
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Speaker 1: an underaged girl dancing and drinking, and his defense says,
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Speaker 1: I don't sweat because of a war. And who paid
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Speaker 1: the bill that night? I would imagine that it was
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Speaker 1: either paid in cash or that he had someone with
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Speaker 1: him who paid. But you know, given that he says
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Speaker 1: he wasn't there, I very much doubt we're going to
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Speaker 1: be able to find a paper trail. Well, put, let's
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Speaker 1: cut forward to what's happening right now. I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to the alleged victim in this case,
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Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts Jeffrey speaking to NBC. What happened the first
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Speaker 1: time in London? I was so young. Gillen wocome me
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Speaker 1: up in the morning and said, you're going to meet
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Speaker 1: a prince today. I didn't know at that point that
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Speaker 1: I was going to be trafficked to that prince. And
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Speaker 1: then that night Prince Andrew came to her house in
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Speaker 1: London and we went out. It's a club Tramp. Prince
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Speaker 1: Andrew got me alcohol. It was in the VIP section.
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Speaker 1: It was I'm pretty sure it was a vodka. Prince
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Speaker 1: Andrew's like, let's dance together, and I was like okay,
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Speaker 1: and we leave Club Tramp and I'd hop in the
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Speaker 1: car with Gleen and Jeffrey and Glen said, he's coming
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Speaker 1: back to the house and I want you to do
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Speaker 1: for him. Let you do for Epstein, you know, let
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Speaker 1: me go to Anne Bremner, high profile trial lawyer or
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Seattle and longtime friend. And you know,
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Speaker 1: you claim a lot of your clients are innocent, and
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Speaker 1: you know I disagree. But let's set our past differences
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Speaker 1: aside for just one moment. And when you're preparing for
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Speaker 1: trial and you're working with the witnesses and you ask
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Speaker 1: them to tell their story, one of the first things
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Speaker 1: I would do, probably for trial, of course, find my witnesses,
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Speaker 1: go to their home or their job or wherever they were,
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Speaker 1: and get them without me leading them to tell me
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Speaker 1: their story. And I would look for detail. I would
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Speaker 1: look for story rich in detail. I don't I'm not
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Speaker 1: a dds. I don't like pulling teeth. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to say, well, what time was it? Well, who was there? Well,
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Speaker 1: do you hear her unsolicited giving detail like where we
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Speaker 1: were in the VIP section? It was alcohol? I think
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Speaker 1: it was vodka. And that morning Guillen Maxwell woke me
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Speaker 1: up and said you're going to meet a prince today.
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Speaker 1: And that night, leaving Tramp's Bar, she said, Andrew's coming
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Speaker 1: to the house. I want you to do for him
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Speaker 1: what you do for Epstein. The detail that she is
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Speaker 1: providing is very persuasive and Bremner, Oh, absolutely, Nancy, And
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Speaker 1: that's why you've always been a great prosecutor, that you've
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Speaker 1: been in a wonderful advocate for victims. That you have
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Speaker 1: the devils in the details. How can she make all
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Speaker 1: those things up? And she's details in recounting everything that's
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Speaker 1: happened with Prince Andrew. And she's been adamant about her
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Speaker 1: facts and details for a long time. You know that
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Speaker 1: supported too. I'm glad you mentioned that Anne Brewner. Very
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Speaker 1: often you'll see a victim or a witness's story differ.
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Speaker 1: I didn't say change, because a lot of times is
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Speaker 1: simply embellishing. For instance, the victim gives it or the
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Speaker 1: witness gives you the story and then later you may say, well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, how did you get there? And they add, oh,
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Speaker 1: I took a cab, or I hits to ride, or
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Speaker 1: I took a bus. So they're adding to the story,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily changing their story. But Anne's right, I don't
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Speaker 1: believe Charlie links to joining us from dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe she's ever actually changed her story. She
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Speaker 1: may have added to it over time, but I don't
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Speaker 1: think she's ever changed it. No, the story has remained
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Speaker 1: incredibly consistent this entire time. As you said, she has
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Speaker 1: added more detail, tiny details, But for the most part,
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Speaker 1: the story she told right at the very beginning is
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Speaker 1: the story that she's still continuing to tell to day,
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Speaker 1: and it's the story that now serves as the basis
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Speaker 1: of this lawsuit Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, she Virginia Jefferies, is now a
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Speaker 1: grown woman, a mom, and she's recounting something that happened
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Speaker 1: when she was a teen. You know, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever went with my
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Speaker 1: girlfriends to a bar, and it was first to all
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Speaker 1: go dancing, and you know, I didn't drink didn't do drugs,
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Speaker 1: didn't smoke nothing. And I remember I remember what I
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Speaker 1: had on because I so carefully selected it, because I'd
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Speaker 1: never been somewhere to a bar where people were dancing,
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Speaker 1: And I remember I don't remember the name of the place.
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Speaker 1: I remember a very few people who were there, maybe
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Speaker 1: one or two. I remember general things about it, and
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Speaker 1: I remember thinking, you know, I've seen it, danced, I
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Speaker 1: believe in and left. But I remember vague vaguely pretty
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Speaker 1: much what happened, and trying and if someone tried to
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Speaker 1: cross examine me on it right now, they could probably
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Speaker 1: do a really good job. But this woman is giving
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Speaker 1: a pretty detailed statement, Nancy. She's giving a detailed statement
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Speaker 1: because this was a very traumatic day in her life.
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Speaker 1: We think of trauma as a broaden umbrella, meaning what's
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Speaker 1: traumatic to you may not be traumatic to me. But Nancy,
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Speaker 1: being sex trafficked to a prince is a very traumatic event.
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Speaker 1: And this woman had already been sex trafficked to Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: so she was collecting. She was a victim of what
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Speaker 1: we call cumulative trauma. Can you imagine being a miner
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Speaker 1: having a VOD conserved to you, being at this big
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Speaker 1: fancy nightclub, having one of the prince's up Great Britain
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Speaker 1: come and solicit you sexually. How can you forget any
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Speaker 1: detail of that night? And Nancy, just to go back
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Speaker 1: to history for a second. You keep saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: if Prince Andrew, Prince of York, is he a windsor
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Speaker 1: A little detail is that the royal family is actually
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Speaker 1: a German. Generally there's from Germany and that did not
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Speaker 1: go down so well during World War Two, so they
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Speaker 1: change their last names. So this is not the first
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Speaker 1: time that a royal has changing stories, changing details, whereas
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Speaker 1: Virginia Jeffreys, her story has not changed at all. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to more of Virginia Jeffrey speaking to
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Speaker 1: our friends at NBC. Virginia says the abuse moved from
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Speaker 1: the bathroom to a bedroom. He wasn't rude or anything
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Speaker 1: about it. He said, you know, thank you and some
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Speaker 1: kind of soft sentiments like that and left. I just
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Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that even royalty were involved.
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Speaker 1: She says. Prince Andrew abused her two more times, once
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Speaker 1: in New York in Epstein's mansion and again at his
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Speaker 1: virgin Island's estate. Prince Andrew of course denies that this
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Speaker 1: ever happened. He denies that had ever happened, and he's
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Speaker 1: going to keep denying that it ever happened. But he
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Speaker 1: knows the truth, and I know the truth. Well, we
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Speaker 1: were talking earlier. First of all, Jackie, did you hear that?
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? DoD Dr bethany hold on? Let
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Speaker 1: me go to Charlie Likes? And did you hear that
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Speaker 1: he said thank you after the underage sex, which is rape? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess the one thing that the royal
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Speaker 1: family always hangs on to is their etiquette and manners. So, okay,
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Speaker 1: did you actually just say that? Did she say that?
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Speaker 1: Because I think she did. Okay, Charlie Likes. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: let you think for a moment about what you just said.
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Speaker 1: Guys say to listen to information we learned from Filthy
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Speaker 1: Rich on Netflix. I first met Prince Andrew March tenth,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one in London at Gillen's townhouse. He
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Speaker 1: knocked on the door. He came inside Gillen's townhouse and
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Speaker 1: we're sitting there having tea. Ellen has his favorite guessing
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Speaker 1: game that she does. She goes to Prince Andrew, how
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Speaker 1: well do you think Virginia's and he said seventeen and
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Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you're right, and you know, they made
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Speaker 1: a little joke about it. He's like, oh, my daughters
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Speaker 1: aren't far from your age. You know. My daughter's a
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Speaker 1: little bit younger than you. We went out for the
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Speaker 1: night club Tramp in London and he dances and he's
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Speaker 1: profusely sweating over me and it was disgusting. And once
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Speaker 1: here's some more of Virginia Roberts. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cudate. It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse and
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Speaker 1: then a pat on the back. You've done a really
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Speaker 1: good job, like you know, thank you very much, and
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Speaker 1: here's two hundred dollars. You know, before you know it,
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Speaker 1: I'm being lent out to politicians and to academics and
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Speaker 1: to people that you royalty and people that you just
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Speaker 1: you would never think, like, how did you get into
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Speaker 1: that position of power in the first place if you're
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Speaker 1: this disgusting, evil, decrepit person on the inside. Let's go back.
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Speaker 1: Charlie LinkedIn joining me editor with dailymail dot com. Did
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Speaker 1: you hear the part where she said they played a
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Speaker 1: sort of guessing game with Andrew between Guillen Maxwell, Prince Andrew,
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Speaker 1: and Virginia Jeffreys talking about guests her age, and there
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Speaker 1: was no doubt Andrew knew she was seventeen, according to
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Speaker 1: this witness. Well, and I think you know, one of
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Speaker 1: the most shocking things there is that, you know, according
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Speaker 1: to Virginia, he then said, oh, you're not too far
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Speaker 1: off in age from my daughter. And the ironic thing
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Speaker 1: is that when Prince Andrew has spoken out to deny
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Speaker 1: all of Virginia's claims, he actually said that he was
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Speaker 1: with his daughter at a party, you know, not too
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Speaker 1: far outside of London, when Virginia says that all of
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Speaker 1: this went down. So, you know, if we are to
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Speaker 1: believe what Virginia said, it's awful to hear that not
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Speaker 1: only did he know exactly how old she was, but
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Speaker 1: that he knew that she was around the same age
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Speaker 1: as his own children. And that is just the most
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Speaker 1: horrifying thing to me. Yeah, the thing that she followed
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Speaker 1: up in the guessing game with the detail that he went, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's not much older then my daughter's. Clearly, if she
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Speaker 1: is to be believed, he knew she was under age.
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Speaker 1: In speaking of the party Prince Andrew claims he took
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Speaker 1: his daughters to instead of having under age sex, which
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Speaker 1: is rape. It's called statutory rate because if you're under age,
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Speaker 1: you cannot consent to sex in that vein. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut sixteen. This is Emily Matless speaking
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Speaker 1: to Prince Andrew. Listen, I have no recollection of ever
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Speaker 1: meeting her. I'm almost in fact, I'm convinced that I
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Speaker 1: was never in tramps with her. There are a number
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Speaker 1: of things that are wrong with that story, one of
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Speaker 1: which is that I don't know where the bar is
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Speaker 1: in Tramps. I don't drink. I don't think I've ever
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Speaker 1: bought a drink in tramp whenever I was there, do
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Speaker 1: you remember dancing at Trump? No, that couldn't have happened
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Speaker 1: because the date that there's being suggested, I was at
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Speaker 1: home with the children. Okay, so which isn't Charlie lankson
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Speaker 1: where jellymail dot com. Was he at home with his
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Speaker 1: two girls, Beatrice and Eugenie or was he at tramps?
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Speaker 1: I thought he said he was at a pizza party. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the story evolved to wait, wait, Charlie, Charlie, the story evolved.
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Speaker 1: It changed that's what evolved. Means it, Champs, that is
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Speaker 1: what evolved me. What's he story? Now he's not at
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Speaker 1: home putting Eugenie and Beatrice to bed. What's Sydney story.
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Speaker 1: He said that he took his daughter to a party
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Speaker 1: at a pizza restaurant called Pizza Express in Woking, which
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Speaker 1: is in Surrey, just outside of London. However, if even
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Speaker 1: if his story is accurate, the distance between Woking and
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Speaker 1: London would actually have allowed for him to make it
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Speaker 1: back to the city in order to go to a
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Speaker 1: nightclub later that evening. So, you know, I think many people,
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Speaker 1: both critics and Royal fans alike, have agreed that that
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Speaker 1: interview that Andrew did was a car crash. We also
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Speaker 1: have to, you know, highlight the fact that he said
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Speaker 1: he was actually unable to sweat because he suffered from
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Speaker 1: a kind of condition that he sustained while he was
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Speaker 1: fighting in the war. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait wait,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Charlie. Take a listen to our cut seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Once again, this is our friend in the BBC Emily Metlas. Listen.
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Speaker 1: She was very specific about that night. She described dancing
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Speaker 1: with you and you profusely sweating, and that she went
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Speaker 1: on to have possibly a slight problem. Was was was
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Speaker 1: the sweating because I have a peculiar medical position, which
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Speaker 1: is that I don't sweat, or I didn't sweat at
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Speaker 1: the time, and that was I wishing, Yes, I didn't
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Speaker 1: sweat at the time, because I had suffered what I
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Speaker 1: would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands
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Speaker 1: War when I was shot at, and I simply it
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Speaker 1: was almost impossible for me to sweat. And it's only
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Speaker 1: because I have done a number of things in the
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Speaker 1: recent past that I'm starting to be able to do
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Speaker 1: that again. So I'm afraid to say that that that
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Speaker 1: that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't
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Speaker 1: do it. So therefore, Nancy, can I jump in on
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Speaker 1: this one? Okay? I was, I was just letting it
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Speaker 1: so he got a shot of adrenaline and he can
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Speaker 1: know what to sweat. Is that even real? Definitely? Where
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Speaker 1: are you saying I want a jump job? Well, what
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Speaker 1: I can say is that he has drugged his daughter's
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Speaker 1: Beatrice and Eugenie into his own sexual predatory behaviors. He's
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Speaker 1: using them as shield or beard or whatever you want
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Speaker 1: to use. So not only has he violated Virginia Jeffreys Roberts,
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Speaker 1: but now he is using Beatrice and Eugenie as witnesses,
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Speaker 1: and he's gaining sympathy with the British audience by saying
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Speaker 1: he was shot at in the Falcons War and he
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Speaker 1: was so frightened and he had a shot at the
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Speaker 1: adrenaline that now he can't sweat. I mean, the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Not only is it absurd, but just let it soak
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Speaker 1: in for a moment. To use your phrase that he
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Speaker 1: is using his own minor daughters in his defense. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because Charlie Lyston joining us
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Speaker 1: from Delhimel dot com. I understand that either Beatrice or
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Speaker 1: Eugenie were asked about that night. Do they confirm the
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Speaker 1: pizza party? They did not confirm it to the point
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Speaker 1: where it would be able to be used as evidence
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Speaker 1: in Andrew's defense. What do you mean by that? Essentially,
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Speaker 1: the girls don't have enough of a recollection of that
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Speaker 1: time to provide that father with any solid backup. And
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Speaker 1: you know, at the time they were both young girls.
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Speaker 1: I don't think if you were to ask me, I
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Speaker 1: don't think I could remember a pizza party that I
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Speaker 1: went to when I was younger. What do you mean
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Speaker 1: my younger at the time, they would have been around
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Speaker 1: early teens. I think he doesn't drive himself anywhere, and
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Speaker 1: he doesn't pay for anything. Wouldn't there be a record
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Speaker 1: of him being driven to this location. He does drive
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Speaker 1: himself to places. It does happen rarely, but he does
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Speaker 1: drive himself to places. However, it is highly unlikely that
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Speaker 1: he would have gone anywhere without some form of security.
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Speaker 1: You're right, he is a senior member of the royal family,
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Speaker 1: and yes, there should be a record. He should have
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Speaker 1: a record of someone being with him at the time.
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Speaker 1: But as we all know, Bucky and Palace has remained
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Speaker 1: completely silent on this matter. Other than Prince Andrew's car
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Speaker 1: crash to be on the BBC, they haven't said anything
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Speaker 1: to either defend or throw him under the bus crime
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Speaker 1: stories with me, it'sy grace. All I can say, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan is thank goodness for a photographic evidence. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eighteen. This is Emily Matlas.
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Speaker 1: She was very specific. She described the dance that you
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Speaker 1: had together in tramp, She described meeting you. She was
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Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girl meeting a senior member of
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Speaker 1: the royal family. Never happened. She provided a photo of
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Speaker 1: the two of you together. Your arm was around her waist.
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Speaker 1: You've seen the photo. I've seen the photo, girl, How
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Speaker 1: do you explain that? I can't because I don't have
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Speaker 1: no Again, I have absolutely no memory of that photograph
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Speaker 1: ever being taken. Well, I can tell you this, it
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Speaker 1: would be a cold a in hubl if I can't.
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Speaker 1: My husband David Lynch at a party without me and
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Speaker 1: his arm around eighteen girl in Oh, but listen, listen.
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Speaker 1: He has no memory of it. But then suddenly is
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Speaker 1: there a light at the end of the tunel? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nineteen. Do you recognize yourself?
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Speaker 1: It's pretty difficult not to recognize yourself. Your friend suggested
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Speaker 1: that the photo is fake. I think it's from the
23:44
Speaker 1: investigations that we've done. You can't prove whether or not
23:48
Speaker 1: that photograph is faked or not, because it is a
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Speaker 1: photograph of a photograph of a photograph, So it's very
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Speaker 1: difficult to be able to prove it. But I don't
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Speaker 1: remember that parure I've ever been taken. But it's possible
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Speaker 1: that it was you, that's me. But whether that's my
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Speaker 1: hand or whether that's the position, but I don't. I
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Speaker 1: have simply no recollection. Oh well, I guess if he
24:16
Speaker 1: doesn't remember it, Jackie, then it must not have happened. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor for Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
24:24
Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, Star of the Piked and
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Speaker 1: Massacre on iHeartRadio. I could go on and on, but
24:30
Speaker 1: I want to get back to Andrew. Joe Scott. Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: you know how every rape case goes, not everyone, but
24:38
Speaker 1: many of them. First of all, it didn't happen. I've
24:40
Speaker 1: never seen her. I don't remember her. I never met her.
24:43
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember her. Yes, she was at a party.
24:47
Speaker 1: We met very briefly. Oh it's my seaman. You know what.
24:52
Speaker 1: It's all coming back to me. We had say that
24:54
Speaker 1: it was consensual. Oh, her torn dress and bruces. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how that happened. She's making the whole thing up.
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Speaker 1: It's a fake. Well, here we have a photo of
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Speaker 1: his arm around her. I think there's a drink in
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Speaker 1: the other hand. I can't remember the other hand. I'll
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Speaker 1: sue focus on the hand around her waist, and I
25:12
Speaker 1: belus she's wearing a little Midgeft shirt and so it's
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Speaker 1: her bare skin. How is he going to get out
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Speaker 1: of that? Joe, Scott, You're I have no idea, you know,
25:23
Speaker 1: you look at this thing, and you know you think,
25:26
Speaker 1: you know. I kept waiting for him to say photoshop.
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Speaker 1: Of course he did, and he goes shop. Of course
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Speaker 1: he doesn't. Somebody takes his photos for him. And oh
25:36
Speaker 1: one other thing, by the way, is a prince. If
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Speaker 1: a prince shows up at Chuck e Cheese, I think
25:42
Speaker 1: people are going to remember, all right, you know, going
25:45
Speaker 1: back to this and again it's this web that he's
25:48
Speaker 1: created over these years. And I don't necessarily know that
25:51
Speaker 1: it's over these years. He might be a predator for
25:54
Speaker 1: all I know. But you know, he said, we've we've
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Speaker 1: the investigation we've conducted into the photograph. Who's who's he
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Speaker 1: referring to? Does he have forensic analysts on staff that
26:07
Speaker 1: are you know, really digging into this thing, digging into
26:10
Speaker 1: the electronic media here trying to figure out if in
26:14
Speaker 1: fact this is him. Give me a break. Well, I
26:16
Speaker 1: know there's something very critical, show Scott Morgan. He never said,
26:19
Speaker 1: we've proven it's a fake. Yeah, and he knows that
26:22
Speaker 1: he would be that would in fact be a bold face. Well, okay,
26:26
Speaker 1: I think I have the answer that Prince Andrew is
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Speaker 1: going to use to exonerate himself from this rate charge
26:33
Speaker 1: underage sex. Take a listen to our cut twenty one.
26:37
Speaker 1: This should just you know, close the book on this chapter.
26:41
Speaker 1: So why would somebody have put in another hand? You
26:44
Speaker 1: think it is you next to her in the photo? Oh,
26:47
Speaker 1: it's definitely mean that's a that's a picture of me.
26:50
Speaker 1: It's not a picture of I don't believe it's a
26:52
Speaker 1: picture of me in London because when I would go
26:54
Speaker 1: out to banyco Ice in London, I wear a suit
26:57
Speaker 1: and a tie. What I would just grob is those
27:01
Speaker 1: are my traveling clothes if I'm going to go, if
27:04
Speaker 1: I'm going overseas, there's a I've got plenty of photographs
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Speaker 1: of me dressed in those sorts of that sort of kit,
27:12
Speaker 1: but not there Charlie Lankston, what is he talking about? Effectively,
27:17
Speaker 1: He's now trying to say that if he's ever in
27:19
Speaker 1: London and he's going out anywhere, he will dress smartly
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Speaker 1: in a suit, and that the outfit that he's wearing
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Speaker 1: in the image is only the kind of thing that
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Speaker 1: he would wear when he travels somewhere else and doesn't
27:32
Speaker 1: need to look quite so official. Charlie and Lankston. I'm
27:35
Speaker 1: pretty sure I heard him say the words those are
27:39
Speaker 1: my traveling clothes. So does he have another set of
27:42
Speaker 1: clothes that he wears to travel? Essentially, he's just saying
27:47
Speaker 1: that the casual nature to the outfit, you know, Yeah,
27:51
Speaker 1: the casual nature of the outfit is something that he
27:53
Speaker 1: would only wear while traveling. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
28:12
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany plays out me have I finally lost my mom?
28:16
Speaker 1: As so long has been accused. His defense is I
28:21
Speaker 1: was wearing my traveling clothes, and that's impossible. What are
28:25
Speaker 1: traveling clothes? What is he talking about? Oh, how I
28:28
Speaker 1: wish I go. When I go into London, I have
28:33
Speaker 1: to look official, but when I go to another country,
28:36
Speaker 1: I don't have to look quite so nice, very degrading
28:40
Speaker 1: towards I'm going to slum it to other countries, which
28:43
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because if he's a senior member of
28:46
Speaker 1: the royal family, if he's going on a private plane,
28:49
Speaker 1: don't you think he's going to step off that plane
28:51
Speaker 1: as a suit and tie to greet other officials. I mean,
28:54
Speaker 1: I think you know. I watched the whole interview this morning,
28:57
Speaker 1: and one of the things he can disaster for him
29:00
Speaker 1: link it is a disaster name. You know what if
29:05
Speaker 1: I ever questioned my husband and he looked like Prince
29:08
Speaker 1: Anew Andrew blinking rapidly and shaking his head from side
29:13
Speaker 1: to side, I would be side. I'd be like, you're lying,
29:17
Speaker 1: You're lying lying. So how does this young girl, Virginia
29:25
Speaker 1: Jeffries and many others, I might add, find herself in
29:30
Speaker 1: this position? To start with? This is all brought to
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Speaker 1: a head because of a pr disaster for Prince Andrew
29:40
Speaker 1: with a legal twist. He has just been named in
29:45
Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit by Virginia Jeffries claiming that he had
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Speaker 1: sex with her when she was under age. All of
29:54
Speaker 1: his denials are not working. One after the next after
29:58
Speaker 1: the next has been this protein needs to stop talking,
30:01
Speaker 1: But it's too late for that. So how does this
30:04
Speaker 1: young girl, a very pretty articulate team girl find herself
30:10
Speaker 1: in bed with Prince Andrew? According to her, Well, it
30:15
Speaker 1: all started in Palm Beach. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut two. This is from the BBC with Virginia Jeffreys.
30:24
Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts went to Epstein's Palm Beach home for the interview.
30:31
Speaker 1: Kailyn walks me up the stairs and then there's this
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Speaker 1: naked guy laying on a massage table in the middle
30:38
Speaker 1: of the room. So although there was this naked man
30:41
Speaker 1: laying on a table, I thought, okay, well, this is
30:43
Speaker 1: just how they do it. I suppose he looked up
30:47
Speaker 1: at Keilyn, so she's like, Okay, here's the lotions, here's
30:50
Speaker 1: the oils. Put your lotions and oils on your arm.
30:53
Speaker 1: Always keep your hand on the person you're massaging, and
30:56
Speaker 1: start with one foot and you and she'll get the
30:58
Speaker 1: other foot and then we'll work together. So you just
31:00
Speaker 1: mimicked my movements. So anyways, that thought went fleeting from
31:03
Speaker 1: my head like that was strange because we're doing this
31:06
Speaker 1: massage now and there you have a teen girl around
31:10
Speaker 1: I guess fourteen fifteen years old who was confronted with
31:14
Speaker 1: a naked Jeffrey Epstein and his pimp, Gillan Maxwell, who's
31:20
Speaker 1: now awaiting her own trial. It's always been a he say,
31:25
Speaker 1: She say, Jeffries versus Prince Andrew, Jeffreys versus Epstein, Jeffrees
31:30
Speaker 1: versus Gillan Maxwell until a new Bobshell is there finally
31:36
Speaker 1: a witness. Take a listen to our cut twenty seven
31:39
Speaker 1: from our friends at the BBC. Epstein's housekeeper also in
31:43
Speaker 1: a Florida called legal deposition, so that you visited the
31:46
Speaker 1: Palm Beach residence around four times a year. You've got
31:50
Speaker 1: a daily massage all times a year. That was what
31:53
Speaker 1: he said in a Florida called legal deposition. I'm just wondering,
31:57
Speaker 1: when you look back now, is there a chance that
32:00
Speaker 1: those massages might have been the services of someone who
32:04
Speaker 1: was being sexually exploited or trafficked by Epstein? No, I
32:11
Speaker 1: don't think, I mean, I know, definitely not, definitely, And
32:16
Speaker 1: I definitely did not visit his Palm Beach house three
32:21
Speaker 1: or four times a year, Absolutely not. How many times
32:25
Speaker 1: would you say, visited in total? Probably four times in
32:33
Speaker 1: total throughout the time that I knew him, do you?
32:38
Speaker 1: Tarlie Langston joining us from Daily Mail. Isn't it true
32:42
Speaker 1: that Prince Andrew continued his special relationship with perr of
32:47
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein was charged with sex with
32:51
Speaker 1: young girls yeah, I mean there are pictures of the
32:54
Speaker 1: two of them walking together in Central Park, which you
32:58
Speaker 1: know Andrew then later said it was because he wanted
33:01
Speaker 1: to have a face to face conversation with Epstein to
33:04
Speaker 1: tell him that they could no longer have face to
33:06
Speaker 1: face conversations. But even after all of these allegations were
33:09
Speaker 1: made against Epstein, Andrew did not cut off contact with him.
33:13
Speaker 1: He continued to have a relationship with him. Yeah, I
33:16
Speaker 1: want to go to you and Bremer, a high profile
33:18
Speaker 1: lawyer out of Seattle. Now you've got a housekeeper or
33:24
Speaker 1: an employee of Epstein's naming Andrew is coming to the
33:29
Speaker 1: Palm Beach home, the mansion of Epstein, four times a year.
33:34
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily how many times he's been coming, it's
33:37
Speaker 1: the fact that why was he there to start with? Well, absolutely,
33:41
Speaker 1: in a cardinal rule, you know, a nancy of the
33:43
Speaker 1: royal family has been He's never never explained. And yet
33:48
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew's now between a rock and a hard place
33:51
Speaker 1: because he's been explaining and explaining and Samori explains it,
33:55
Speaker 1: then does it makes sense? But then he's not cooperating
33:58
Speaker 1: where there's evidence, there's a photograph that's not my hand.
34:01
Speaker 1: But that's me. You know, I had his house four times.
34:05
Speaker 1: I all the young girls in New York and Palm
34:07
Speaker 1: Beach were quote unquote servants. I don't sweat and have
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Speaker 1: all these pictures of sweating. You know that we're posted
34:13
Speaker 1: after what they call a car crash interview. So there's
34:17
Speaker 1: a case and because he has not cooperated, because he
34:22
Speaker 1: is protested and said I will cooperate, but he never has.
34:25
Speaker 1: He now has a lawsuit against him out of New
34:28
Speaker 1: York with an excellent lawyer through David Boys, for Virginie
34:31
Speaker 1: Roberts and also in the criminal investigation. They're talking about
34:36
Speaker 1: him as somebody at least a witness of interest. Well,
34:39
Speaker 1: you're right. According to Boys, they've tried and tried to
34:43
Speaker 1: get cooperation from Prince Andrew take house of our friend
34:47
Speaker 1: Juju Shang at abcr at thirty seven. David Boys is
34:51
Speaker 1: one of the attorneys representing Jufrey. We reached out to
34:56
Speaker 1: Brigandu and his lawyers several times so in the last
34:59
Speaker 1: five years to try to resolve this issue without the
35:02
Speaker 1: necessity of litigation. They have just consistently stone walled. Guffrey
35:07
Speaker 1: is now seeking unspecified compensatory and punitive damages, arguing that
35:12
Speaker 1: the Prince intentionally caused her emotional distress. Well, where is
35:16
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew right now? Well, as you may guess, he's
35:20
Speaker 1: hiding behind his mommy's skirts. Take a listen to our
35:24
Speaker 1: cut forty one Molly huntre NBC this morning. Prince Andrew
35:28
Speaker 1: is on vacation with the Queen, arriving at her Balmoral
35:30
Speaker 1: Castle with his ex wife Sarah Ferguson. But his accuser,
35:34
Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts Stuffrey is not letting up her high profile
35:37
Speaker 1: lawyer David Boyce turning up the heat. Prince Andrew is
35:40
Speaker 1: going to have to now speak. He can't ignore court process.
35:47
Speaker 1: He can ignore me, he can ignore my client, he
35:50
Speaker 1: could ignore other victims and their lawyers, but he can't
35:54
Speaker 1: ignore the court. Yeah. Charlie Langston joining US Dailymail dot
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Speaker 1: Com on the story from the get go. How the
36:00
Speaker 1: risk taking this? Well, I think you know the majority
36:03
Speaker 1: of people in the UK are horrified and there is
36:06
Speaker 1: increasing pressure for Andrew to speak up, speak to lawyers
36:11
Speaker 1: and get involved in this case. You know, as we
36:15
Speaker 1: just heard, he has promised time and time again to cooperate.
36:18
Speaker 1: He has said that when the law requires him to
36:21
Speaker 1: he will speak to investigators, and yet for some reason
36:24
Speaker 1: he has repeatedly refused to do so. Not to mention,
36:28
Speaker 1: this is now dragging the royal family even further into scandal.
36:33
Speaker 1: It has not been an easy few years for the
36:35
Speaker 1: royal family. It has especially not been an easy few
36:38
Speaker 1: years for the Queen, and her son is now once
36:41
Speaker 1: again casting a huge cloud over the monarchy at a
36:45
Speaker 1: time when, to be quite frank, they can't deal with
36:47
Speaker 1: any more drama. So I think the general feeling in
36:50
Speaker 1: the UK is that Andrew needs to own up to
36:53
Speaker 1: everything that's happened, and if he is indeed innocent, then
36:57
Speaker 1: he needs to prove so in court of law. How
37:01
Speaker 1: much is he getting paid? I mean, I know all
37:04
Speaker 1: the royals have a home provided for them, security, their
37:09
Speaker 1: clothes are paid for, their food is paid for, they
37:11
Speaker 1: live in a mansion. I mean, if I were a
37:14
Speaker 1: brit I would be sick of paying for him when
37:17
Speaker 1: he's out gallvanting like this having sex with under age girls. Well,
37:21
Speaker 1: and we also we also should mention that his legal
37:25
Speaker 1: fees will be paid for him through the the money
37:29
Speaker 1: that is given to the monarchy, you know, so effectively
37:32
Speaker 1: Queen pays for his legal fees. Oh yeah, the money
37:35
Speaker 1: that they don't get me wrong. I love Queen Elizabeth,
37:41
Speaker 1: I loved Diana, I love William, I love Kate, I
37:47
Speaker 1: love their family. I want the very very best for them.
37:51
Speaker 1: I think many of them worked tirelessly for Great Britain.
37:55
Speaker 1: But I'd be infuriated if I were a brit paying
38:00
Speaker 1: for Andrew to go dance at club tramp. Well, where
38:04
Speaker 1: will it in? Take a listen to our cut fifty.
38:07
Speaker 1: This case is not going away for Junior gu Free
38:12
Speaker 1: is not going to go away, and I'm not going
38:15
Speaker 1: to go away. This case is going to go forward.
38:19
Speaker 1: Whatever obstacles they try to put in front of us,
38:24
Speaker 1: we will overcome once this case goes to court. It
38:27
Speaker 1: has now gone to court. Their ability to Stowe law
38:32
Speaker 1: has ended. They can still delay, but they can't escape
38:37
Speaker 1: the inevitable. And the inevitable is a jury trial as
38:41
Speaker 1: to who's telling the truth here, what the facts are,
38:45
Speaker 1: and that is something that I have a lot of
38:47
Speaker 1: confidence is going to go forward. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye for him