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Ep231 ‘Working With Athletes With Disabilities’ with R.Potter, R.Davies, S.May, G.Barnes, D.Metcalfe · The STA Clinician Podcast

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You're listening to the Sports Therapy Association podcast, putting evidence
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back into soft tissue therapy.
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Music.
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And we are live. Welcome people to episode 231 of the Sports Therapy Association
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podcast. My name is Matt Phillips, creator of RunChatLive.com.
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And as always, this episode has been recorded live at eight o'clock on a Tuesday
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evening on the Sports Therapy Association YouTube channel and Facebook page.
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It's a new month on the Sports Therapy Association podcast. If you listen to
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this in the future, we're in March 2025.
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And we're therefore having a new focus this month. That focus is going to be
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working with athletes with disabilities.
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And tonight in part one i will be very shortly bringing
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up all five of our special guest athletes will be
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sharing their experiences with us over the next four weeks
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and also we're going to be joined by two therapists whose names i shall share
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with you very shortly but first of all thank you to people who are joining us
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live if you are listening to the podcast and you like the idea of joining us
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live in futures you can ask our guests directly questions and just hanging out
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with like-minded therapists and what i can do is i can bring up a question on
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the screen for example Tracy Marsh is with us and said, Cecily,
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I really must try harder.
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Now, I don't know what you're talking about, Tracy, because I can't see Cecily's
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comments, which is interesting.
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But thanks for joining us, Tracy and Cecily and other people who are coming
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to the door, especially tonight.
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But as always, please do put your comments into the section.
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And I've given all of our guests permission just to jump in while I'm talking
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and bring up your questions if they're relevant and interesting.
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I'm a bit worried that people have joined us live. I can't see all your comments.
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I can only see Tracy Garrett at the moment, so there might be something up there
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with the software. Who knows?
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But anyway, thanks very much for joining us.
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So my guest for tonight, this is going to take a little bit of time to sit back
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and enjoy yourselves, because tonight I've already been laughing about it. It's the pinnacle.
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It's the crest. It's the nirvana of my podcasting experience,
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14 years or so. We're going to have seven people on screen.
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We're going to start off in no particular order. We've got Rich Potter and Rich
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Dickie Davis, who regularly listens to podcasts and people who came to therapy last year will know.
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And they're both armed forces veterans and single below leg amputees who set
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world records at the end of last year on their limitless expedition,
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conquering the Himalayas.
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That's the first ever amputees to achieve the half and full length of the snowman
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trek in Bhutan, the toughest trek
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in the world with 11 mountain passes at altitudes of over 5,500 metres.
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So they're going to be with us very shortly. Also joining us are Samantha May
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and Gemma Barnes, both Team UK athletes, recently returned from Invictus Games to 2025 in Vancouver.
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As I said last week, it's obviously not just about the medals,
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but Team UK did do very well this year, bringing 38 medals home.
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Shining particularly in the rowing and swimming in which both Sam and Gemma won medals.
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Also joining us will be Dan Wilsdown-Metcalf, who, despite being left paralysed
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from the waist down after a motorcycle accident in 2014, 2014,
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has since achieved three scuba diving world records, first disability category.
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Including fastest one-mile scuba diving, with and without swimming band,
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and greatest distance scuba diving, all in fresh open water.
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So an absolutely incredible group of athletes who are privileged to have,
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we are privileged to have on the show.
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And like I say, this is it. I've decided in April, I'm not going to have any more guests.
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I can't do any better. Sorry. But what we are doing we're starting probably
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a few months of reflection where we're inviting therapists to come in and just
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reflect on any of the past episodes, 230, well, it'll be 235 episodes.
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I've already got April booked out with guests. So if you are a therapist,
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a clinician, and you've got the technical know-how, which is basically just
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a decent Wi-Fi connection and a webcam and might to come on the show,
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and you'd like to talk with me,
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just chilled out in front of a few people,
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just talk about how a particular episode has affected your clinical practice,
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then send me an email matt at the sta.co.uk or
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matt at budgetlife.com and i'll interview you
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go through a little selection procedure if you're fit and you'll come on the
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show and it'll be really cool it's we're really going to have a reflection
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on the last 235 episodes i think it's time to pause and look at what we've got
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out there so i'm saying i thank all of our guests for making me reach that moment
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after yeah 231 weeks um so here we go like i say we've also got the wonderful
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sports therapist Carla Bickerstaff and also massage therapist Jenny Lane.
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Both of whom have experience working with athletes with disabilities people
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listening to the podcast will be aware of them and other shows they've been
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on Jenny Lane recently returned from her position as soft tissue therapist for
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Team UK at this year at Victor's Games so we're really looking forward to their
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insight as well and like I say.
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Tonight, this is going to make me or break me. It's everyone together on one screen.
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And then we're going to delve into having either one guest or two guests together
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talking about different topics to do with working with athletes with disabilities.
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Right, Matt Breath. I was purposely talking quite fast then because I just don't
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want to leave my guest down in the lobby for any longer.
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People have joined us live. Thank you so much.
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Nikki Mansfield says, all you missed was pancake talk matt
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don't worry matt people still do that's like i mean yeah pancake is
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lucky is happy shrove is shrove isn't it shrove tuesday
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gary benson founded the stas in the house
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as well which is great hey gary how are you doing if
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you do have any stas questions or anything industry related then now's your
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chance to nab gary benson i'm in the chat right enough talking let's bring up
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these amazing seven people as we start episode 231 of the sports therapy association
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podcast working with athletes with disabilities part one of four.
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I'm going to give you a chance to just speak so
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people can link up with your voices so people
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can tell who you are i'm hoping there's a few regional dialects
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and differences here so people can work it out but thank
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you first of all for making this happen and i
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really mean it this sincerely is the pinnacle
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of 15 years of podcasting so the fact you've all
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given up your time for free to come together half of
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you don't even know each other and just to help basically well
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i'm not surprised and we'll talk about that too long because obviously you're doing this
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to raise awareness for not just athletes with
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disability but anybody with disability and you've all achieved so
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so much which is what we're going to be talking about and you're
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an inspiration so thank you so much for that i thought
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what we'll do is first of all we'll just let people know what your voices alike for
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the people who are listening on the podcast so in no
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particular order i've got a list here i don't know how i organized it but rich
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potter you somehow at the top of the list i don't know how that is but maybe
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rich can you say hi and and where you're from hi matt good evening listeners
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thanks very much for having us on matt i am from the west of ireland originally
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as you can probably tell by my draw irish accent kind of merged somewhat with
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posh english accent from Santos.
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But yeah, there's still a bit of Irish in there. So I should be quite unique
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to listen to, hopefully.
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That's really distinctive. I wasn't lying with the dialect. That's fantastic.
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Thanks, Peter Potter. Rich Dickey Davis, next.
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Hello again, everyone. How are we doing? Yeah, well, I'm from Cardiff originally.
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So yeah, got the Celtic in me.
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And yeah, good to be back. Thanks for having us again. No, amazing to see you back.
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And you graciously came to Therapy Expert last year, which was amazing as well.
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And you let people feel your stump, which was even more special.
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And people still talk about it. So thank you for that moment.
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Yeah, it was a great opportunity. Great.
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Samantha May, thank you for joining us. hi everyone
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i'm sam one of the invictus athletes and unfortunately
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i don't have a particularly strong regional accent unless you're going to tell
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me otherwise yeah i'm currently living in birmingham but as you can hear i don't
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sound like a brummie i hope not what not not yet yeah no no not yet thanks so
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much for joining us sam sam really cool jemma jemma barnes how are you yeah
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hi matt again thanks for having me i'm never one of the invictus athletes like
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sam we probably sound a little bit similar.
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I currently live in Oxfordshire, Cornwall originally, so a little bit of a,
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occasionally I just have finished a bit of a West Country job,
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but mostly, again, a bit like Rich, I've got that slightly Spanish-esque.
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Amazing. Thank you, Gemma. Amazing. Dan, wheels down, Metcalfe.
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How are you? Thanks for joining us.
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Hi, Matt. Thanks for having me. I'm from Grantham, Lincolnshire.
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I don't know whether that sticks out at all.
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Thanks for having me on here. I've not met any of these guys yet.
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You're sounding very smooth there, Dan. You had to get to be the smooth, sultry one.
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People who listen to podcasts, you can't see the setup he's got there.
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It's beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful. So yeah, that's a good one.
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That's a doubt. And that looks like it's either you're in a,
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some kind of an asylum or it's a purpose-built studio. I'm not sure which it
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is. The wife's in an asylum.
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Brilliant. So that's Dan Wilsdown-Metcalf. And then sports therapist,
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Carla Bickerstaff. Welcome back. Thank you very much for joining us. Hi, good evening.
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Thanks for having me again. I mean, I don't think I really have an accent,
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but apparently I do have a good one.
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I don't think I really have an accent, but. but I'm Sheffield based so yeah
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no one thinks they've got an addict to do that brilliant thank you Carla really
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good to see you and again like last year people still talking about it Therapy Expo,
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you and Dickie were amazing and it was so good people still talk about it
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really was exceptional and something which so many I just saw jaws drop it was
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fantastic on so many levels and such good information so thank you and you just
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shone and I know it didn't come naturally to you and you were so nervous beforehand
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so you are you are in such an inspiration I mean we're It has a sea of inspiration
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here, but for other therapists,
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female therapists in particular, you're just such an inspiration. So thank you.
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And Jenny Lane hello oh hello,
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yeah I'm Jenny Lane and I'm originally from Birmingham but no accent either not at all not very well,
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represented at all to a good reason nothing at all there anyway thanks very
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much Jenny really cool and thank you so much as well for helping bring the eight
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of us together I really appreciate your time and also just test me the fact
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these people said yes without even knowing me or each other to many extent But
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they will just trust you and Carla.
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So you must have quite a strong hold of them. Well, a strong hold of them.
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I see what I did there. That was quite clear. Brilliant.
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Right. That's got through everybody. So if you listen to the podcast,
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then you can hopefully understand. We'll repeat names, to make it clear.
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People have joined us live. Obviously, you can see everyone.
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I'm hoping that we've got some comments in here. This is the kind of calibre of people have got.
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All those windows, it's like story time on PlaySchool. So the average age out
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there, you can automate.
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You can kind of estimate now they're talking about brian kant
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and and yeah yeah they've got cecily hissop
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says i'm thinking of the brady budget even older she is and
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then also i love it because we've gone from that level up to sir glenn murphy
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mbe i love when that happens and thank you for joining us sir glenn very much
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sounding great or thank you glenn that's amazing right let's get into the show
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itself there like i said people if you want to ask questions then please do
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because This is all about informing therapists,
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either who are currently working with athletes with disabilities or therapists
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who are thinking about it and
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maybe have got some fears or misconceptions which we can help clear up.
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Right. So in the next three episodes, obviously, we're going to delve into more
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details which affect you as individuals.
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Rules but tonight like i say is about kind of
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talking about common traits and themes of what it's like
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being an athlete with disabilities working with therapists and
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also what it's like being a therapist and working with an athlete with a disability so i
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thought i guess to start off if we
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go back around the table again and just have a little talk i guess we need to
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identify what the disability is because obviously that's going to affect everything
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whether it's making things similar or setting things apart and also what sport
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you're involved in that would be nice I know that'll probably be quite tricky
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in a few minutes, but we'll see how it goes.
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Rich Potter, back to you with your Irish totes.
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Thanks, Matt. I'll try to be as non-Irish as possible.
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I am a blow-the-knee amputee on the left side. I lost my leg to sepsis in 2019
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after a football injury, required surgery. I had an osteochondral defect.
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Conservative management did not work, so I had surgery and unfortunately contracted
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sepsis. I tried to fight it for about 18 months, but I was essentially carrying around a dead limb.
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And the easy decision was to take it off, especially considering I was still serving.
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Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. I am involved in sitting volleyball for
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Team GB. I am doing a lot of CrossFit at the moment.
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And just kind of anything that's physically active, I suppose.
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Anything that gets me off my bottom and onto my leg, I'm pretty happy doing.
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Fantastic. And it was football, wasn't it?
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I mean, people assume, don't they, when you're a veteran, you must have this
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so many times, they assume it was some kind of trauma caused by an explosion
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or something. But for you, it was during the football match?
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Yes it was a football match i'm a defensive midfielder i decided
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to have a little punt upfield and have a shot and unfortunately
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i got crunched at 50 50 tackle and actually your comment is
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quite pertinent because my wife and i have just spent a week in chicago
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and the entire time i was out there people come up to
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me and shake my hand and say thank you for your service they just assumed
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because i was a reasonably young man uh reasonably in
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inverted commas and i had one leg on show that i
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was a combat injury so that was nice to put them straight in
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that respect i could spend the whole hour I
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talked to you just about that because it intrigues me but how does that feel for you
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as an individual do you feel that there's a look in their eyes thinking oh I
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presume you've got serving for the country or something how do you feel do you
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see a disappointment or something in their eyes or is that just me eventually
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no not at all and I think it's a really good opportunity for education it's
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something at the beginning of my journey that really it really irked me,
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and made me quite frustrated and obsessed because I really get
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my ingredient now I'm so at peace with everything that's
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happened it's quite it's quite easy to do right and
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we go from that so let's bring up a picture to show some
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celebration of where that's got to and yeah
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talk to us about this picture this is about the end
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of the limitless expedition so it's the snowman truck those of you who aren't
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aware it is the most difficult track in the world or commonly referred to as
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the most difficult track in the world and we set out on that and 28 days later
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i somehow managed to stumble across the finish line and that is the crew who
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ably supported me on that.
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Expedition amazing if you if you're listening to the podcast now i
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would recommend that you kind of just leave spotify wherever you
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want to go along to youtube there's gonna be a few photos coming up now because a
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picture obviously paints a thousand words or something but yeah
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that was you and the crew and i've looked
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at instagram just to see to remind me
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what you said at the time and there was just a quote here from
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instagram that said when this photo was taken i'm not
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sure who wrote this but it was obviously not you you just shattered but their journey
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is a powerful reminder that with belief in yourself you can overcome any
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obstacle the team has not only traversed breathtaking and challenging
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landscapes but has also shattered stereotypes and redefined
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what's possible for amputees everywhere let this
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incredible achievement motivate us all to dream big embrace challenges and push
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beyond our limits who wrote that first of all because it's wonderful but it
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kind of sums everything up yeah that's me so obviously richard yeah yeah after
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about 30 different edits and,
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Brilliant. So that was Diki Anji speaking then. That was amazing words.
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But obviously, that sums it up, doesn't it? Why you do this?
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Yeah, absolutely. You know, to go off and do the track like that,
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you know, for me to unfortunately have to withdraw due to swelling in my stump
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and then to see Rich go off and absolutely annihilate it, you know.
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No disabled person has ever even done it.
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So for him to actually go off and achieve that is just out of
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this world you know and you know i'm just as proud of him
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as he is for himself if not more because i don't i still
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think sometimes he's like yeah i did it it's like right
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come on you said
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you've done the toughest track in the world no one else has done that
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yeah i think i think matt there's something really important that
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actually that i feel is important to say and you
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mentioned the the i word which i really hate and you didn't know this
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it's the inspiration and the reason
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i don't like it is because i'll explain when people say that
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i'm inspirational for what i've done they're almost putting me on a
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pedestal and i'm only being put on a pedestal because
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i'm disabled now what i want is for people to view me
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the exact same as everybody else that's how society should look at
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me i'm not special because i've got one leg so by calling me
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inspirational it's almost elevating me before they've even got a chance to
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figure out who i am so i much prefer the word empowerment so
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i love to think that i can empower people to achieve their goals and
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and reach their aims but uh i don't really like the
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i word and that's okay that's great that's such an
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interesting i think that's quite a theme as
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well from is it quite common i was going to ask everybody else and just open that
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up really oh yeah
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how you make me feel okay but
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that's fine it's not about me this is about therapists realizing take.
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Out the word inspirational from their little list when when people walk in so
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yeah i mean sam you had a smile there on your face what is that word again something
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which I hate it I really hate it I don't feel inspirational I feel like lots
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of us have been dealt a set of cards and we've just done our best with them.
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And people see the good bits but they don't see the bad bits
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and the days when you couldn't get out of bed and there's lots of stuff that's
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not inspirational and kind of what Rich said like I
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just want to be a normal person not just
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be inspirational for this thing that happened to
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me that I had no choice in okay Gemma you're
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nodding yeah absolutely I completely agree
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sometimes you're just trying to get through the day and like Sam said you
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don't feel very inspiring when you trip over in public oh god
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you're okay you're okay and you're like please don't look at me because
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I'm so embarrassed right now you know and you just want to
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be a normal person getting through the day getting on with your life and I
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think sometimes we push ourselves really hard to do these incredible things
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just so that we think yeah so I might trip over when I'm walking around the
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supermarket but you know I can do something really awesome there's this weird
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dichotomy you've got the basic everyday stuff that can be hard but you can push
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yourself to go do these incredible things but sometimes a bit in the middle
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is a bit murky and it's a bit tricky so you definitely don't always feel the inspiration or.
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So interesting and dan similar or yeah
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a little bit different for me obviously i'm in the chair but
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yeah people say you're in spray film you're not
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either you you are who you are and you
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might be doing something that nobody else in the world's done like
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we're doing the world records and stuff and that's just
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because you're doing it it's not because a disabled lad's doing
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it or a disabled maybe it's doing it because i'm doing
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it not it'll be seen for me rick put
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it really politely really cleanly it's pretty good i
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wouldn't be so polite and clean with it it's who
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i am i don't like that inspiration word but people have told and said it in
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scuba diving you are inspirational well that's because i'm inspirational as
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a diver not as a disabled diver okay that's brilliant okay Amazing point. Amazing. Right.
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Dickie, there's already been a segue to you and the sad, I mean,
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let's just, before we go on to the sad picture, as I call it,
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that was so heartbreaking when I saw that.
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I think how many people choked out, obviously not as much as you,
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but let's go just to this picture here. I'll just bring it up in the spring.
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Sorry, Carla, by the way, that I sent you down to the lobby,
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but yeah, this is a lovely picture.
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Like I said earlier on, it's actually, we found one with Potter with his top
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off, which should be ages, but yeah.
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Tell me what's going on in that picture. Was that when he just got halfway, wasn't it?
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I was almost halfway to the halfway point.
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Yeah, halfway to the halfway point. Ah, I was in the question.
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Yeah, about day five, and that became our sort of daily wash.
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It was in the glacial waters, you know, about three degrees.
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Incredible. Those of you who can't see the photos, it just gives an example
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of what the terrain is like out there, which...
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Yeah, talk me through the terrain of managing to do that. You were wearing blades, weren't you?
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We had three different legs with us. We had a specialist leg created by Doss
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Alphapedic with the blade of Cervanto foot, which personally I think is a phenomenal foot.
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The blade, just because it's really forgiving under different terrain when your
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leg is aching, because it's designed for running, it's quite springy,
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so it does take a lot of shock out.
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We just had a spare leg just on the chance, you know, something a bit older, might be a bit bigger.
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So yeah we we had a selection of legs and
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it was down to personal preference to what we were comfortable in
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on any given day and on any surface amazing incredible
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um image and pictures again if it's the podcast it
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really is worth heading over youtube or maybe the fca.co.uk if you want to see
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the video links for it but then unfortunately as rich has already mentioned
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we had this video which was basically you saying what what happened without
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putting you all through it Again, I'm feeling guilty already. Yeah, no.
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So we got to the halfway. We'd done the half snowman. We had a rest day.
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We did a push on. It was a day off our legs.
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Unfortunately for me, my stump severely swelled up to the point that I couldn't
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fit in any of my prosthetics.
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This was the final day where it was only a short six kilometers,
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sort of a bit of a downhill day.
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And yeah, the swelling, I managed to get to squeeze my leg in.
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And I managed to get to the resupply point where it was the only other road
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between the start and the finish where we could get our supply for the rest of the track.
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And yeah, Rich was ahead of me. He had a lot stronger pace because of the pain
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I was in. And he saw me wincing in agony.
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And at that point, you know, after, I don't know, what were we talking for?
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About two, three hours, Rich?
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And I think he told me I had to speak to my wife, phone home,
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speak to my wife and see what she says and speaking to our guide about planning
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ahead what was to be next.
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I had to make the tough decision to withdraw from the track,
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which was agonizing to do because it's a mission.
21:56
You know, it was a target me and Rich strongly believed in doing.
22:00
You know, what we were doing was to empower, motivate and encourage other people
22:04
whilst raising money for charity.
22:06
And unfortunately for me to go any further was risking further injury to myself risking,
22:13
rich and support crew and at day
22:16
15 they've had fatalities so to
22:19
push on in agony it could
22:21
have yeah could have been it could have resulted in a fatality so for safety
22:24
reasons and my own health I had to withdraw which makes
22:28
you want to ask the question this kind of I suppose opens up to all of you
22:31
i mean for any athlete not being able to do
22:34
what you want to do even just having to reel back the intensity
22:37
a little bit if you've been told by a therapist and we'll hear from
22:41
jenny and carla's in a second but um is it double as hard if you're an athlete
22:48
with a disability because the impetus and drive to be able to succeed and prove
22:53
to yourself i can do this does it make it tougher when that kind of is taken
22:56
away from you or again am i digging myself just deep water here and going down the inspiration.
23:02
I am the token able-bodied person here in the sense that I know very little.
23:06
So tell me if I'm talking rubbish.
23:09
So I'm kind of in this situation at the moment, having come back from the games,
23:12
I had planned in a whole load of swimming races and things to look forward to
23:16
because everyone talks about the post-games lol.
23:18
And I came back and my physio was like, you can't swim. You can't use your leg. You can't swim.
23:24
So I had to pull out all of those galas. And I think.
23:27
It's not doubly disappointing, but it's just maybe our options are slightly
23:31
more limited than they would be before we were injured or fully able-bodied.
23:35
So instead of the full spectrum of things that, you know, you could just go
23:39
for a run or I can't just go for a run.
23:41
And so there's slightly fewer options. And losing one of those things that I
23:46
now have come to love is a bit sad.
23:48
And it's just kind of adjusting to, OK, well, what should I focus on now instead?
23:52
That's kind of my take on it, I think. have you
23:55
found because this is something we talk about on many
23:59
episodes of how important communication is between the therapist
24:02
whether a physio or sports therapist and and the athlete
24:05
being able to communicate that behavior change
24:08
as in pull back or stop doing something has anybody
24:12
managed to talk to you or such a
24:14
way that you've been able to take the advice and go with
24:17
it or is it always just a massive disappointment you just kind of like don't
24:21
even to talk to me be honest but jemma's
24:24
laughing because she knows she's been my roommate and she's listened
24:27
to me rant so many times yeah it's
24:30
i think it's really important that you trust your soft tissue
24:34
therapist or physio and if you trust them then i will
24:36
listen to what they're saying and if you've built a relationship and
24:39
if they if you know that they know how
24:42
important it is to you and yet they're still saying don't do it then
24:46
fine i'll go with it you know i want to
24:49
be in the best shape I can be for as long as possible but
24:52
I've equally had physios who have only met me once and
24:55
or doctors and just be like no you can't do any of these things and I'm like
24:59
well that's very closed-minded so I think it depends on the relationship you
25:02
have with that therapist it's interesting because we don't say the modern so
25:08
yeah the modern therapist has to realize and take on board what it is to tell an athlete 8.
25:15
That they can't do their sport anymore it's being compared in
25:18
studies to almost like a bereavement or something sometimes you
25:21
really are taking away that person's identity especially if
25:23
they spend their time mixing in that circle or putting
25:26
their results on straw or something so it really is something that therapists need
25:29
to be aware of and they need to find alternatives i
25:33
mean i work with runners so for me it's it's like
25:36
telling a runner not to run is just crazy but i'm sure it's the
25:38
same with many sports you've got to try and keep them as
25:41
running as much as possible if they can that might be tweaking their running form
25:44
or just behavior change of some form but often there
25:48
are opportunities where you don't have to tell them to stop it and there is something
25:50
else you can do or talk in a certain way where they can maybe
25:54
do another sport but in the same kind of way like do i
25:57
don't know tempo cycles instead
26:00
of tempo runs so they kind of feel like they're still getting that same buzz but
26:03
yeah it's a really tricky one so yeah i appreciate your honesty jemmy you're
26:08
laughing though sam a bit of a handful then if she's told yeah i i'm a physio
26:12
as well so i'm very much used to being on the other side of the treatment table
26:16
i'm not used to being the person that receives the help so for jenny you know
26:19
thank goodness for jenny because.
26:21
It's very tricky i think to go from being the therapist to being the patient but
26:25
like sam said i think when we train as therapists sports
26:28
therapists therapists physio anything we very much learn about the body and
26:32
the tissues and the muscles and the tendons and the bones and we learn about
26:35
that and we know you know the healing process and recovery times and things
26:39
like that But we're not really taught so much about the psychological effects
26:42
of injury on the athlete or on the person. You don't have to be an athlete.
26:47
You can be, you know, a person who just likes to be able to go for a walk every
26:50
day or wants to walk your dog. You know, and that can be your sport.
26:53
But I think having been in practice and having now been on the opposite side,
26:58
I really appreciate the words that we use a bit more, the language that we use
27:02
and how we think, you know, from a clinical perspective, you need to stop running.
27:06
You know, if I said that to Sam, she'd give me a death stare and I'd be terrified, quite frankly.
27:10
You know, you can't be so black and white, I think, when you're,
27:15
you know, you've got to stop running because it will protect your tendon and you'll heal faster.
27:19
I think we need to adapt more to, OK, running at your current rate will damage your tendon more.
27:25
But what can we do to keep you mentally strong in that time and also help you
27:30
rehab your tendon through other sports?
27:32
Or, you know, can you swim, can you cycle, can you do low impact stuff?
27:36
And I think more and more now, we need to work together more in an MGT to get around that.
27:42
What can we do to keep you going, not stop for six weeks?
27:45
Because that's really negative psychologically, you know, and probably physically.
27:49
So I think we need to just look more at adapting what we can do so that people
27:53
keep going, keep mentally strong, keep mentally remilliant, and they can get
27:56
back to doing everything they want to do, whether that's walking their dolls or climbing up.
28:00
That's so interesting hearing it coming from you because that message doesn't
28:04
seem... How come you've got...
28:06
All that happening and saying that where so many therapists aren't aware of that.
28:10
I think it's because I've been on the other side of it I mean I reflected
28:13
a lot after I got injured and I got really mad
28:17
with a lot of videos who would just say to me well yeah you can't
28:19
do this what are your hobbies oh no you can't do any of them anymore do you
28:22
like swimming no I hate swimming I think swimming
28:25
is not my thing they're like well that's all you can do sorry and then
28:28
it'd be like right anyway stretch them off and you were
28:31
just left feeling really shocked and
28:34
a real sense of loss and lots of identity and that kind of
28:37
thing so I think I was always a bit more I always
28:40
tried been understanding because I was sporty beforehand so
28:43
I understood what sport meant to people so I always tried to be a bit more compassionate
28:47
as a therapist but having actually lived in the shoes you know been on the opposite
28:51
side and had discussions with people like Jenny you know and Carla and seen
28:56
it and experienced it from the other side you do develop a much better understanding
28:59
of what it means to be able to continue doing stuff.
29:03
Amazing that's such a useful insight and it's
29:06
almost like i often say the best thing can happen
29:08
to a therapist is they get injured themselves and then they realize what it's like
29:11
to actually catastrophize and you think that i've got a stress stress
29:15
fracture metatarsal really it's just a corn or something or just a bit
29:17
of dry skin because you know what it's like for a patient and you
29:20
know how difficult it is to do the exercises you're
29:24
supposed to because as therapists we typically go oh they didn't
29:26
do their exercises what do they expect of course they're not going to get better then
29:29
you don't actually think maybe the exercises you gave them were
29:32
never going to be done because instead of coaching them and actually finding a
29:35
suitable plan you just told them what to do not take
29:38
into account yeah and that so yeah and
29:41
it's really dull but it's an incredibly boring
29:44
thing to do if someone you know someone gave me a cheap exercise and i
29:47
think i used them as a bookmark for a while i didn't actually do them because
29:51
they were boring and that felt irrelevant and that's me as a professional i
29:55
probably should say that as a professional but also it does highlight the point
29:57
unless they're interesting and stimulating and relevant you just don't see them
30:01
i'm really excited i'm not i'm not I'm going to rush and go ahead because of a plan here.
30:05
I really want to get to Dan and have an example of what happens when you don't listen to your people.
30:09
But we'll save that. I'm going to save that as a hook there.
30:11
I'm not your dad going, yeah, not your mind. Yeah, it's very sensitive.
30:15
We'll save that as a little hook. Because I want to just, as this introduction,
30:19
I want to continue going around and let our listeners know about the circumstances
30:24
and who we've got here today.
30:25
So thank you both, Rich Potter and Dickie Davis, for that.
30:28
Let's go to Sam, if we can. so Sam could you tell us a little bit about your
30:34
disability and what sport you involved in and I'll bring up some photos while
30:38
you do it Jenny I think it's your turn to leave the screen sorry.
30:43
So I was competing in the military in pole vault and had an accident and dislocated
30:49
my knee and tore lots of ligaments cartilage and nerves in my knee and have
30:55
been left with well initially quite reduced range of motion.
30:59
It's improved with subsequent surgeries, but basically ongoing chronic pain
31:02
and kind of nerve pain. So,
31:06
Yeah, that's my thing. And now from Invictus, I started doing wheelchair basketball,
31:14
which I kind of fell in love with and got back into swimming.
31:18
And my son, Small Miracle, Disability Snow Sport UK, got me back skiing again,
31:23
which is super exciting because I love skiing, unlike Gemma, who is her nemesis.
31:27
So those are kind of the sports that I've been doing and we'll see what happens next.
31:33
You mentioned Invictus Games, which we're going to talk about in in
31:36
great detail next week next week we're going to have carla and
31:39
jenny and sam and jemma talking all about victor's games
31:42
and how their experiences from both sides um i've
31:45
just put on the screen this is a collage i think produced by victor
31:48
games but it's again just talking about the numbers and like this this was this
31:52
year and with 35 veterans 27 serving personnel one proposal what was the time
31:59
difference between getting involved in victor games and not being able to do your normal sport?
32:05
So for me, I got injured in July 2023, and then I came to the Invictus process quite late.
32:12
So I joined basically just before the team announcement in July 2024.
32:18
I think lots of the other competitors had actually started kind of at the beginning
32:21
of 2024, but for various reasons, I hadn't been involved until a bit later.
32:27
So, I mean, my timeline is actually comparatively quite short compared to lots
32:30
of the other competitors on the team who've you know been struggling possibly for.
32:36
Years decades as opposed to just a couple of years for me amazing and still
32:41
and you still managed to I know it's not about the medals in fact I want to
32:45
talk about the medals in a sec how that feels,
32:48
in terms of people just going oh well that's inspirational but you did
32:51
manage to walk away with what bronze two bronzes was
32:53
it yeah I got a bronze in the skiing and a bronze in
32:56
the swimming and then silver for the wheelchair
32:59
rugby i didn't do wheelchair rugby so i
33:02
did the basketball when we became 13th strong 30th so
33:06
was that a surprise for you or was it something i
33:10
want to know about the medals is it how does it work because it's something you're
33:13
working for you're already an athlete and obviously
33:18
competitive but when you get to something like the invictus games just
33:21
the medals take second place or how does it work for you yeah i
33:24
think so everyone's recovery journey is different and we
33:27
like to talk a lot about kind of gold medal moments on the team so you know
33:30
what for you is gonna feel like a success or feel positive and that isn't necessarily
33:34
for everyone a medal you know for skiing for me actually I just wanted to be
33:39
able to be on the slopes with my friends in the mountains and enjoy it and not
33:42
be scared and not be in lots of pain,
33:44
and actually the medal was a bonus but I had a conversation with our swimming
33:48
coach you're right I am competitive I have been an athlete everyone's recovery
33:52
journey is different and for me I wanted a medal to be part of that journey
33:55
and to feel like I could compete again and feel like myself again.
33:58
So for swimming, I was targeting a medal.
34:01
And I was very relieved to have got one in the end.
34:05
It was hard work. And I was working towards it, but knew that there was always
34:09
a chance that you don't get a medal. You can't control who else turns up.
34:12
But it's very different for each competitor, what they want to get out of the games.
34:16
I'm interested. Thank you for that. I'm interested in because other people here
34:20
who have been in Invictus Games, what is the medal situation like?
34:23
Is it similar where you're not really going for the medals? You just want to
34:25
prove something to yourself and get that satisfaction?
34:28
Or what's it like for other people? Gemma, what's it like for you with regards to medals?
34:32
Yeah same as Sam really I think I had a lot of self-doubt before I went knowing
34:36
that a lot of countries would bring actual athletes to them and I didn't necessarily
34:40
feel like I was an athlete I felt like I was somebody who was venturing back
34:44
into sport but it was adaptive sport so.
34:48
For me I think getting onto the team and being
34:52
able to find new sports I could actually do that was the biggest
34:55
thing for me I think obviously inside you
34:58
do hope that you can get a medal because you want to be good and
35:01
I think in terms of being ex-military as well there's something
35:03
inside us that makes us really competitive we want to be the best at everything
35:06
and you know we can send AV into a competition it's a real
35:09
military feel you know we get really competitive about all sorts
35:12
of different things so I think if you put us in a competitive environment you
35:15
do we did you do want to medal but also
35:18
I think if you don't medal it's not as
35:22
hard in that situation because you
35:25
still achieve so much just getting to that point having said
35:28
that when I did medal it made me feel incredible and
35:31
I felt so whole and so seen and I felt like all the hard work
35:34
that the teachers had been to us and that I'd put into the rowing
35:37
then paid off and never had something that I could actually show something
35:40
that's tangible and I think with a lot of people back
35:43
home that's the first thing they ask is oh did you get
35:46
a medal you know not did you have an amazing time did you get
35:49
any personal best did you make friends for life you know did you discover sports
35:52
you never thought you'd do again they don't ask that they ask you to get a medal
35:55
so I think it was great to get a medal to say to other people I did but I also
36:00
did blah blah blah so yeah I think the medal is a tricky situation I was very
36:04
pleased I got one because it.
36:07
It did make me feel well rewarded for the effort that everyone had put in but
36:12
also if I hadn't got a medal I think I still would have been really proud of
36:15
all the achievements I had and I think the rest of the team were proud of their
36:18
achievements that they've got and we do have gold medal moments you know just
36:21
individually because they don't necessarily result in a physical medal but that's okay.
36:26
This is really I'm hoping such
36:29
an interesting insight for exactly what I was
36:32
hoping this episode was going to achieve it's obviously common traits and
36:35
just the way that not just therapists but the general public kind of see you
36:39
and talk about you and refer to you and yes it's brilliant people i'm i'm losing
36:44
track of the questions here we'll have a second i've just invested dickie and
36:47
rich what's it because you've been involved in victor games as well obviously
36:49
what was it like for you are you nodding your heads the whole medal thing or.
36:53
So we dickie and i kind of went through the process together and
36:56
that we roomed pretty much every camp together we were
36:59
like 15 minutes away from each other in terms of where we lived our
37:02
families got very close and when we got to the games we
37:05
had this amazing moment at the opening ceremony where our children were
37:08
passed down to us at the end we passed our kids back
37:11
up to our wives we gave each other a massive hug and we said right
37:14
it's game time because we had trained so hard not just
37:16
at the camps but also in our own time as well and
37:19
we knew exactly why we were there now this is very double-edged because
37:22
dickie and i we took on seven medals between us we had a great haul
37:25
i was told for a very long time i would never run again i
37:28
got a gold in the 100 meters amazing everyone's happy but the
37:31
problem with that is Matt you spend so long focusing
37:34
on the medals and the success that you
37:37
kind of forget to enjoy the journey and it
37:40
was only when I got back from Dusseldorf I was like man it's over I don't really
37:44
have that many memories apart from the shiny you know medal in a box to show
37:48
people I don't have that many memories because I was so focused on winning so
37:51
it is a double-edged sword I think it's important to be competitive it's important
37:54
to have goals but at the same time for something like this you just have to enjoy the journey,
37:59
Amazing. Yeah, really interesting. And did Keith, for yourself,
38:02
I mean, I guess which is spoken?
38:05
Yeah, he pretty much summed it up. Yeah, like I said, as he said,
38:09
we live just around the corner from each other.
38:11
We've built a great relationship from it, and we've got the same sort of drive.
38:14
For me, going out there, it wasn't about the medals.
38:18
Medals are always a nice thing to take home, obviously. You're training to try and get them as well.
38:23
But if I went out and gave it my all, and actually set my all-time personal best in the pool,
38:27
20 years after retirement one leg and
38:30
a dad bod that is better than any gold medal i
38:33
could have taken so just going out there and giving him my best
38:36
to pb on everything i did was better than yeah
38:39
any medal i could have taken amazing really interesting god time is just going
38:44
crazy um i just wanted to check about jemmy yeah if you could just summarize
38:49
what is the disability that you or the circumstance of disability and the sports
38:54
are you involved in yeah that's what i'll say So like Sam said, skiing is my nemesis.
38:57
I had a big skiing incident, which caused a lot of damage to my leg.
39:01
I went through a lot of reconstructive surgery and sort of urgent surgery out
39:05
in our street after I reconstruct it.
39:07
I did ACL, MCL, medial lateral fractals, cartilage, all sorts.
39:12
And then 18 months after that, I had a chibiopathic fracture on the same side,
39:16
which was really bad luck.
39:18
And it undid most of the reconstructive surgery and left me with a lot of nerve damage and slip drop.
39:24
So foot jogging is probably the main disability that I have now so I wear a
39:27
split for that I used to have a lot of nerve damage I've got a few corners removed,
39:31
from that leg so I walk a bit like a penguin really, I have a bit of an odd gait,
39:37
yeah and then I have a few bumps with my hips as well so I have a label tear
39:41
on my hip as a result of the way I walk.
39:44
Yes, so I'm limited in a lot of what I can do, I used to run and play netball,
39:48
so I used to play sprints and do a lot of netball and I can't do either but
39:52
I used to do things anymore.
39:54
So, yeah, for me, trying to find the adaptive support has been incredible.
39:58
I have a bit of weakness in my left shoulder as well, so the same side,
40:01
just where I tore my shoulder quite significantly during the accident.
40:06
So, yeah, I struggled to find a sport that would suit me.
40:11
And also I was quite fearful of getting back on snow. So I've seen a lot of
40:15
people get injured through skiing.
40:17
And so I've treated a lot of people who got a big skiing accident.
40:21
And then I went out with the RAF to learn to ski and I had on myself.
40:26
So, yeah, I was quite fearful. I think I'd had a walks perspective in skiing.
40:30
I'd seen a lot of bad, nasty injuries. And then some of the things I have on
40:33
myself. So for me, going to the Winter Games and the prospect of returning to
40:37
some form of skiing was pretty terrifying.
40:39
But I did, because I could use a 60.
40:42
So it was, yeah, it was an adaptive thing. So physically, it helped me.
40:47
And mentally, it helped me as well get over that fear.
40:50
Incredible. I guess that's, I mean, we'll talk about this in greater detail
40:53
next week with the Invictus Games, but it comes up, there's so many different
40:56
choices, isn't there, of adaptive sports, which you can experiment with and
40:59
see what you can do and overcome fears and things like that.
41:02
Yeah. And you went headfirst downhill sledging, which to me,
41:07
first of all, kind of sounds a little bit fearsome, but I guess it's not as
41:09
scary as it sounds. They even call it skeleton, don't they, or something?
41:12
They call it skeleton, yeah. We'll be through that now, the fear turned into.
41:17
Yeah, skeleton was amazing. So, yeah, we reached 97 kilometres an hour,
41:21
which was phenomenal, really.
41:23
And to be able to feel that speed again and feel the interrelin and do that
41:26
kind of sport, which, you know, I'd always wanted to try Bosley when I,
41:31
you know, back in the day and I got injured just before I went to Tiles.
41:34
So it was an itch that I never got to stack really.
41:36
So the thought of doing Skeleton at Invictus, yeah, I absolutely jumped at it. And it was incredible.
41:41
It was such a rush and such an incredible experience.
41:44
You know, when would I normally get to try Skeleton, adaptive or able-bodied?
41:49
So, yeah, what an incredible experience that was.
41:51
Amazing. And you got the bronze in the indoor rowing. I did,
41:56
yes, the insurance varies which is amazing because.
41:59
It's time it's so hard it's uh yeah
42:02
rowing the military and it's horrendous and then you come out and think oh
42:05
it's probably different you know when you just row first for fun
42:08
but it's not it's always hard but it's kind of wonderful there's
42:11
something okay it's quite deep fun it's awful
42:14
at the time but actually it's quite 60 million so yes rowing
42:18
is definitely a sport i think i'll carry on with thanks yeah
42:22
incredible well i'd like to say we'll talk about that in more
42:26
detail with carla and uh jenny next week
42:29
dan sorry man left you all by yourself there no problem
42:32
but i can see you nodding and and and
42:35
and kind of gesticulate gesticulating that as a word isn't it gesticulating
42:39
away as people were talking slightly different circumstances for you obviously
42:42
yeah talk us through if you would and i'll bring up some photos as well of your
42:46
disability and how that came about and and what sports you have found yourself
42:51
in and exceeding That's quite a bit of a list, isn't they?
42:55
Yeah. Yeah. So, paralyzed in 2014 to T8 paraplegic, complete,
43:01
nothing from, just got the belly button down.
43:04
Then went on to hand cycling and came up to the fifth in the UK,
43:09
training for GB, hand cycle to go to Rio.
43:12
Before selection of the team, a 600-mile challenge, went in a 600-mile charity
43:20
bike ride, 14 miles left.
43:22
And a car hit me. So I got smacked on top of the head by a car. Thanks very much.
43:29
Compression of C4, which knocked out, rear delt on the left shoulder,
43:33
which then told slow down, pack it in, stop doing stuff.
43:37
So I went and did a London marathon and tore my shoulder apart.
43:41
Just a little pause there for a second.
43:43
We can just mention that point a little bit. I can see Carla laughing.
43:46
I'm not going to let you. I'm a therapist.
43:47
I'm going to let you get away with that. So you did all that to your shoulder.
43:50
Uh, and you were told not to do too much. Yes. I had to do the London marathon. Yeah.
43:55
So i was yeah four years in a row i deferred myself from the marathon but i've
44:01
got ptsd from my first and second crash because they were very similar to each other.
44:06
And i didn't always feel like you're failing
44:09
feeling like you're just not good enough and all that sort
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of stuff so it's not a good place to be and.
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All the therapists i went to see which is just like
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jenna was saying earlier well just no you can't
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do that no you need to stop doing that well when you're
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paralyzed you pick yourself up a bed and transfer into a
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chair i mean the guy don't know what you all know when you know you
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can't use your leg you know you've got to transfer in and out
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of a chair and stuff like that so it's you've got
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to use your shoulders so the less training that you do the less
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physical you are the weaker you get and then the
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simple thing of just transferring from a bed to a wheelchair is actually
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the hardest strongest lift you've done in a week it's ridiculous
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so i've just said you know i've sold it if i
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break i break and i was training to do the three
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guinness world records at scuba diving i was training to
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do the london marathon because they said if you
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don't do it this year you're gonna have to you know
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forfeit it you're gonna have to give it up give your place up so i
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said i've sold it three months ago i'll do it so
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i didn't uh but yeah i 25 mil
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tail on my sucus spinatus it's all
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my bi-step tendon had both those operated on
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and re-anchored into the humus so fantastic and i'm now doing the far too little
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exercises the rotator cuff work to deal to deal with that problem which yeah
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like you said earlier generally nobody wants to go do i've done gym instructing
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level 3 pt disability and yeah, I know what I'm supposed to be doing.
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Which is going to be something which we're going to delve into in part three
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with yourself and with Carla and Jenny about how working with the team,
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the successes, the failures,
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the reasons why things didn't work and yeah, exactly what you're talking about.
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So that's going to be so interesting about hearing about that.
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And then you come back and get three world records of scuba diving and you're
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going for more, aren't you? You've got other things lined up.
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Yeah, yeah, we've got another two Guinness World Records that I want to smash.
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You know, we don't stop. That's the thing. I think we're all the same.
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Once we've gone through one goal, once we've completed one thing,
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like kind of like heading for the medals sort of thing, it's what's next.
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You can't just stop. If we just stop, we just fall apart. So the brain,
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for me, isn't built that way.
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It's like, what's my next goal? What's my next thing to attack?
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What's my next thing to beat?
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And yeah so the the next one that i
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want to go for is the fastest 10k in the
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sea for not in freshwater for this time but i want to bring it to the
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uk so disabled lad owns it which is
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just between six and eight meters down and swim for well stupid life for 10
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kilometers i've got to beat five hours 20 which is pretty fast and then they're
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worth of that these are all for charity i've got all my challenges for charity
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and the way after that will be the deepest i like diver so i oh,
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I want to take myself to 150 meters,
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which a lot of people are just going, yeah.
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Which is not going to stop me, obviously. And the motivation for this?
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I mean, other people have said the medals are not what people expect.
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It's not all about the medals and how many medals did you get is not what they
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want to hear. But for you, what's the main motivation?
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The main motivation for me really is to say I can. I can do it.
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I've proven the fact. When I was talking about doing the three Guinness World
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Records and we did them all in one day and people were saying,
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yeah okay yeah whatever you know i'm asking
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people to support me and help me and all that so somebody's going oh yeah
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he's just some crazy lad that hasn't got a clue what he's doing
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he's not a chance he's going to manage to do that and now
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we couldn't do it and all of a sudden people now actually sort
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of paying attention and they're saying oh oh fair enough yeah.
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Maybe you're not blowing smoke sort of thing and
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yeah so now now they pay attention a
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bit more hopefully we get a bit
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more support with the charitable side of stuff because that's
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what we're doing it for who knows to raise awareness of the
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disability that i am the disability of other
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people coming into diving it's it's for all
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dfa we call it's diving for all and so nothing
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can stop you really in a medical reason for not
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being the author of death so yeah that's that's
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really why i do it is to prove the next thing that yes
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we can do it we've got able-bodied divers going
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down at you know 330 meters which is
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that is yeah crazy death but there's no
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in paralyzed diving there hasn't been
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a record set nobody's done so why
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not let's just go do it and then let somebody else come and say
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well how have i done that because that just inspires no
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it's apparently yeah yeah it just
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it just make somebody else want to beat you that's the point
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it's not inspiring somebody it's giving them another target to
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attack another target to beat incredible there's so much here i think for not
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just therapists but everybody to unpack and pick up on and talk about but what
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we're going to do in the next three episodes is is see how all this information.
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Can help therapists help people like yourselves,
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by not suddenly going, oh, wow, you really inspired me. Did you get any medals
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in the first consultation? Which somehow I don't think would go down very well.
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But it's probably the icebreaker which most therapists would use.
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Apart from Carla, whose icebreaker was, what was it you said to Dickie when
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he came into your studio? Did you get it?
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But I've done it with... Just say the words. What did you say to him?
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Hop on the couch. Yeah, that was an icebreaker, wasn't it?
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Fortunately, Dickie, you saw the Friday side of it. Absolutely.
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I always say, if you can come up with something new and interesting,
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I haven't heard before about the leg, crack on. I'll fight you on the back for it.
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Amazing. And there's little things like this which we'll be talking about because
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it can be such a rollercoaster ride as it can be with any athlete.
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But I think it is intensified certain things when you're telling them that they
50:03
need to dial down or something or maybe can't even do or have to change their challenge.
50:07
It really is something we'll talk about. and it works both ways of the relationship
50:11
for the athlete with the therapist with the athlete so we will go down those
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in the next three episodes but yeah thank you so much everybody for joining
50:20
us what we will put in the show links for people who are listening,
50:24
is obviously links for the next three episodes we will
50:26
put um social media handles if you've listened to people tonight
50:29
you want to follow i think most of you
50:32
maybe bar one on instagram we'll put that all on there
50:35
and also youtube channels where relevant so you
50:38
can have a little do a bit of research listeners of the
50:41
wonderful guests who are with us tonight and also carla and jenny you can follow
50:45
them so we'll put them in the show now so i won't go through all the now because
50:47
we'll take another five minutes what i want to do really is just let you know
50:51
what's going to come up next week oh people in the live lounge i'm sorry i have
50:54
been looking at questions but i just didn't want to interrupt the flow here
50:57
it's been such a monumentous introduction
51:00
and to let people know, I guess.
51:02
So there were some great questions in here. There's a question about phantom
51:05
limb pain, which we will address. I've made a note to that and we'll address next.
51:09
No, we're not next week. We'll address that in the last week,
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I think, isn't it? The last week of the Rich Potter and Dickie Davis.
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That's something we're going to be talking a lot about. Obviously,
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everything amputee related, we will be talking about. So that will come up in there.
51:24
And I think there was a couple of other things which we'll address in the next three weeks.
51:28
Gary Benson, founder of the STA, has just mentioned here in the comments,
51:32
for STA members who are currently planning an education, we are currently planning
51:35
an education seminar with UK Sepsis Trust in the next few weeks via the SDH
51:38
podcast platform in the members area of the websites.
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There you go. Just say that out loud so we're good to hear that.
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Download us. I've been joining us live.
51:45
But yeah, for everybody who's joined me tonight, thank you so much for giving up your time.
51:50
When we sign off, if you can hang around for a couple of minutes,
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just want to check that I haven't dropped any words apart from inspirational,
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which you don't want to use in the next three weeks.
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So if you can turn me off air this time, or I can just come and get me through a bag on the screen.
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But yeah, so hang around. But yeah, thanks everyone for joining us live. what
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i really like is the 2 000 or so people who download this episode
52:08
if you can if you are free i know a lot of you work okay because
52:11
like eight o'clock on a on a tuesday is probably you're in clinic but if you
52:14
could dare i say rearrange patients a little bit it's going to be for your patients
52:18
benefit so i've kind of you are kind of making their lives better by cancelling
52:23
them and coming for another time but yeah try and make some time and come in
52:26
because you're going to pick up so much in the next three weeks. It'll be the same time.
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Yeah, next week is Tuesday.
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And then the week after, I think it's going to be Wednesday with Dan.
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But follow the UK on UK...
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Underscore STA on social media. You'll get the exact times.
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But yeah, so let me just say thanks again to Rich Potter. Thank you very much.
52:48
And Rich Dickie Davis. Thank you.
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Sam May, Gemma Barnes, Dan Willsdown Metcalf.
52:53
I'm sorry Carla Bickerstaff and Jenny Lane. I mean all I've done tonight really
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is just take you off the screen and pick you up there again without saying anything.
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But we will change that in the next few episodes when you're going to be joining
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us. But thank you, Carla.
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You're welcome. Great. You did say something tonight. Just keep saying. Thank you, Jenny.
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No problem. There you go. You've got your paid kind of. You're not an extra.
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I'm just an extra. I didn't have a line. But yeah, but thank you.
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Because like I said at the beginning, none of these people would be here if it wasn't for you two.
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So thank you. Just want to make that clear, even though we didn't have any talking time tonight.
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Right. Join us next week, people. Episode 232. We're going to have Sam May.
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Gemma Barnes, Carla Bickerstaff and Jenny Lane will be back with us to talk
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all about the Invictus Games, everything it represents, the highs,
53:37
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53:40
It's going to be a fantastic insight so do join us
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some of you again next week and then the others in the weeks that come we'll
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see some of you in the next episode take care people look after each other.
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Music.