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She Was a Climate Activist. Now She's Exposing the Entire Lie · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: France just blamed its heat wave on your air condition
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Speaker 1: and the woman I'm about to interview used to agree
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Speaker 1: with them. First of all, do you take the blame
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Speaker 1: for why a lot of people believe what they believe
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Speaker 1: about climate?
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Speaker 2: No, I blame al Gore. I think that's all on
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Speaker 2: my shoulders.
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Speaker 3: I think I was a useful idiot. I think I
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Speaker 3: amplified it for a few years there. But you know,
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Speaker 3: many people have taken up the cross and the cause
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Speaker 3: in my absence of from the movement, So it just
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Speaker 3: kind of keeps going. There's always this self perpetuating movement.
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Speaker 3: And it's funny seeing the heat wave this week. I
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Speaker 3: saw someone say it's like a thousand Greta tunebergs have
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Speaker 3: gotten their wings from this.
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Speaker 2: So there's always people looking.
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Speaker 3: For doom and gloom and an excuse to believe the
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Speaker 3: world's over and to sort of feel guilt and shame
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Speaker 3: for being alive as a modern human.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six, I will ask.
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Speaker 1: You the question directly about France in a minute, but
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Speaker 1: I want to start with this. The New York Post
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Speaker 1: put this up and it says Paris official blames Americans
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Speaker 1: and their air conditioning for a europe heat wave that's
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Speaker 1: killed thirteen hundred people. It's from the New York Post.
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Speaker 1: I won't read too much of it, but I want
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Speaker 1: to give you the context. A Paris politician blamed Americans
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Speaker 1: and US air conditioning for the record breaking heat wave
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Speaker 1: in Europe that's resulted in more than thirteen hundred deaths.
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Speaker 1: After US tourists mocked France over the lack of air
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Speaker 1: conditioning across the country. I made one hundred and four
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Speaker 1: degree temperature as fahrenheit. Audrey poulvar or whatever, Deputy Mayor
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Speaker 1: of Paris for International Relations, claimed the situation was partly
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Speaker 1: America's fault. Lucy helped me understand, how is you? How
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Speaker 1: are you sitting in and me and I'm sitting in
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Speaker 1: air conditioning affecting Paris, France today. I know.
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Speaker 3: I think they're saying, maybe because of our carbon emissions
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Speaker 3: that we've added to global warming, that's probably what they're saying.
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Speaker 2: No, I only in France's global warming.
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Speaker 3: The thing is like, you go back in time and
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Speaker 3: you can look at this historic data.
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Speaker 2: You can just use any AI tool.
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Speaker 3: Now. I was using Gemini the other day and everyone
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Speaker 3: was freaking out in England because they broke thirty four
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Speaker 3: C you know, thirty four celsius, which is like ninety
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Speaker 3: two degrees here.
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Speaker 2: And so I look it up and I said, what
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Speaker 2: is the UK broken C before?
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Speaker 3: And it gave me, you know, a dozens of dates
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Speaker 3: going back to the eighteen hundreds, and so you realize
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Speaker 3: that these things happen, like heat waves are so complex.
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Speaker 3: The reason the causes behind you waves are so complex, right,
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Speaker 3: we don't even fully understand why they happen.
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Speaker 2: They have a lot to do with the air pressure
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Speaker 2: systems and everything.
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Speaker 3: I'm not a meteorologist, but to just say it's based
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Speaker 3: on carbon missions is just not true. And so people
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Speaker 3: are always trying to find excuses to I feel like,
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Speaker 3: feel guilt and shame for being modern humans. It's sort
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Speaker 3: of like their modern day religion. And it's so psychological
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Speaker 3: beyond scientific at this.
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Speaker 1: Point, it's not Lucy Biggers. Go and check her out
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Speaker 1: at Lucy Biggers over an ig. You can go check
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Speaker 1: her out at l Biggers on X substack is Lucy Biggers.
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Speaker 1: It's big g E R S. Let me give you
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Speaker 1: a little bit more context of what this person had
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Speaker 1: to say. Dear American journalists and social media influencers for days,
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Speaker 1: some of you have been criticizing and making fun of
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Speaker 1: Paris because the city does not have AC in every room.
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Speaker 1: Oh mg, this is so rich Pulvar Road in her
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Speaker 1: social media She continued to say, quote, as the second
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Speaker 1: largest emitter of greenhouse gas emissions in the world, you
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Speaker 1: bear a significant amount of responsibility for global warming and
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Speaker 1: the consequences we in France are experiencing. Your cities, which
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Speaker 1: are ninety percent air conditioned, are not unrelating to this,
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Speaker 1: she added, So please, enough with the lecture, just start
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Speaker 1: doing your part. Lucy. What I noticed about somebody like
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Speaker 1: her is that she never says what it is we're
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Speaker 1: supposed to do what she's say. Shut the AC off,
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Speaker 1: don't have AC in buildings, don't have a low mortality
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Speaker 1: rate for human beings because we don't deal with the heat.
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Speaker 1: We actually stayed nice and cool. Has anybody in your
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Speaker 1: history of being on that side and now coming to
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Speaker 1: fact in reality, has anybody ever made a case for
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Speaker 1: this is what I want you to do, other than
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Speaker 1: paying a carbon tax, which doesn't do anything. I can
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Speaker 1: still admit the carbon but just give me money and
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Speaker 1: it's fine, Or don't have the oil rig off the
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Speaker 1: coast of the Gulf. Have the oil rig off the
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Speaker 1: coast of Brazil somehow makes better sense. Has anybody ever
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Speaker 1: said if we do this fact science has shown this
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Speaker 1: will happen. Because I haven't seen it, they don't know.
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Speaker 3: It's so emotional. I don't think they're thinking that far ahead.
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Speaker 3: They almost can't see past their noses because they're in
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Speaker 3: such emotion and fear about this stuff, so the rational
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Speaker 3: thinking is turned off. It's really not a scientific movement.
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Speaker 3: It's a political movement. They really want de growth and
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Speaker 3: they want us to not live abundant lives. I think
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Speaker 3: they kind of hate being a human in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 3: They want to go back to some fantasy time that
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Speaker 3: they don't really stay.
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Speaker 2: And so I agree with you.
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Speaker 3: I don't see the one for one except for maybe
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Speaker 3: like going to your local farmer's market. They always say
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Speaker 3: stuff like that, so not if it really makes any
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Speaker 3: logical sense. And I saw this great statistic that you know,
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Speaker 3: two million people lived in Florida in nineteen fifty and
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Speaker 3: now twenty three million people live there because the ac
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Speaker 3: we invented a c so ever moved to Florida, right,
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Speaker 3: no one was living in Florida before AC but once
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Speaker 3: we got it became a place to live. And so
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Speaker 3: you know, you have people living in Arizona and the
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Speaker 3: desert and all these different places, and so we know
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Speaker 3: how to adapt, we have the technology. Why the Europeans
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Speaker 3: don't want to do it. Maybe it's because all the
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Speaker 3: good ones left and came to America and all the
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Speaker 3: late losers were like left behind. But they don't have
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Speaker 3: a lot of creativity or problem solving skills.
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Speaker 1: Well, well clearly they don't. I mean, we have shown
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Speaker 1: again we can go back at history. People used to
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Speaker 1: die by the tens of thousands every year from heat
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Speaker 1: back in the day before we had AC, before it
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Speaker 1: was the modern age, before we had technology. So they're
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Speaker 1: not even accepting the fact that people are much safer today.
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Speaker 1: Human beings are much safer today. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: our air is very clean here in the United States,
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Speaker 1: cleaner than in some nations India, China, won't name too many,
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Speaker 1: but to blame the United States because I think, and
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong about this, you use the word emotional.
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Speaker 1: I'm a man, so it don't say that word that much.
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Speaker 1: I think it might be jealousy. Is she jealous that
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Speaker 1: we can stay nice and cool during the day. Is
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Speaker 1: that what's going on here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's probably some sort of like American we just
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Speaker 3: to live large and everything is bigger in America, kind
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Speaker 3: of biased there. They think they're better than us because
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Speaker 3: we have all we're soft.
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Speaker 2: Maybe because we have the AC.
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Speaker 1: So come on.
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Speaker 3: Whether it's jealous, I think it would be subconscious level
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Speaker 3: of jealousy. I think consciously it's more of like a
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Speaker 3: disdain for us in the way that we live. In
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Speaker 3: the discourse of all of this, because I've been making
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Speaker 3: videos about it and seeing the context.
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Speaker 2: They're just like.
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Speaker 3: Culturally they're aoc AC is seen as something so negative
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Speaker 3: and it's just not part of the culture, and I
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Speaker 3: think it's just like a really big thing to come
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Speaker 3: up against. And I don't know, we just don't have
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Speaker 3: it here, so it's a whole other world and everyone's
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Speaker 3: mapping on their different psychologies to it.
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Speaker 1: If we look at an actual chart, and I want
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Speaker 1: to put it up there, and by the way, go
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Speaker 1: follow Lucy everywhere. She's amazing Lucy Biggers. I make sure
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Speaker 1: that I follow, and I like and I comment if
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Speaker 1: I can. I try to read. I don't know we
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Speaker 1: say repost over on TikTok or Instagram. If I see
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Speaker 1: your post, everybody should learn from what you've actually gone
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Speaker 1: through because you're so much smarter and better at this
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Speaker 1: than others for the simple reason that you literally believed
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Speaker 1: the other side before, and that literal belief. It took
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Speaker 1: a lot to make you understand that what you were
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Speaker 1: saying probably wasn't true or at least wasn't proven. That
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Speaker 1: takes a big person to do that. I don't know
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Speaker 1: many people who have been on both sides of the
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Speaker 1: issue like you have been. That's why urge every to
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Speaker 1: go to follow, Go and follow Lucy Biggers. Let me
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Speaker 1: show a chart on the on the screen top carbon
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Speaker 1: Dix side emitters. This is the latest data from twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four. China is this is by millions of metric tons.
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Speaker 1: This is what this graph shows thirteen one hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty five million, So that would be what thirteen billion,
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Speaker 1: one hundred twenty five million. The United States is only four,
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Speaker 1: India is at thirty one hundred, Rush is at two thousand.
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Speaker 1: Japan goes down, Iran goes down, Indonesia goes down. But
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Speaker 1: China is more is more than tripling what it is
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Speaker 1: that we're doing. Yet they're not complaining in Paris about China.
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Speaker 3: Why not, right, Well, I think because China projects to
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Speaker 3: the world that there're some sort of climate leader when
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Speaker 3: they're really not. And I also will say, like I think,
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Speaker 3: thinking about carbon emissions and just this one statistic, what
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Speaker 3: is behind a carbon emission? It's industry, right, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's the ability of someone to have a car. It's
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Speaker 3: ability to someone to heat their home, to turn on
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Speaker 3: a stove, to wash your clothes with a washing machine.
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Speaker 3: So to just simplify modern life down into just carbon emissions,
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Speaker 3: to me, is such a distorted and sort of one
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Speaker 3: layer black and white way of thinking about this. When
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Speaker 3: you really think about it, it's a it's a symbolism
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Speaker 3: of how abundant we are, and we've exported an offshort
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Speaker 3: a lot of our manufacturing to China, and so that's
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Speaker 3: why they have these huge admissions numbers now, because basically
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Speaker 3: all the factors are shutting down in the UK because
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Speaker 3: the energy they are so expensive, and they're going to
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Speaker 3: places like China, which is you know, lifted everybody, they're
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Speaker 3: out of poverty, and so I think the association if
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Speaker 3: you look at GDP growth over the past two hundred years,
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Speaker 3: and you look at CO two admissions. It's the same
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Speaker 3: graph because it fossil fuels, power, energy and abundance and
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Speaker 3: our economy. And so I don't even think about it
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Speaker 3: as a negative thing. I say, more power to them,
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Speaker 3: like build baby, build right, like lift your people out
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Speaker 3: of poverty, build the things over there like that. We
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Speaker 3: don't want to build here, and we'll do the tech stuff.
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Speaker 3: And the different types of industries are well onshore some.
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Speaker 3: But then our emissions are going to go up, and
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Speaker 3: so what's that means? People are getting jobs? And so
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Speaker 3: I kind of just dismissed the whole narrative. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I know the people in the climate movement love to
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Speaker 3: talk about carbon missions, but I say, I don't think
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Speaker 3: carbon missions are bad.
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Speaker 1: Well, I could be wrong, but you know, I learned
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Speaker 1: in like elementary school that carbon dioxide is what plants
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Speaker 1: breede and then plants give off oxygen. More carbon in
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Speaker 1: the atmosphere is not a horrible thing, and it's way
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Speaker 1: lower by percentage than the activists are acting like it is.
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Speaker 1: So I'm confused by that. But there's one important point
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Speaker 1: that people like this Paris person never ever even broach.
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Speaker 1: And that's why are so many people trying as hard
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Speaker 1: as they can to get into the United States from
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Speaker 1: places like Haiti, from places like Syria, from places like
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Speaker 1: Northern Africa, from places like name the third world country
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Speaker 1: because they don't have flowing water, they don't have electricity,
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Speaker 1: they don't have air conditioning, they don't have the creature
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Speaker 1: comforts that are adding to our life expectancy here in
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Speaker 1: the Western World. So why don't they ever focus on that?
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Speaker 1: They want us to be more like you know, Africa,
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Speaker 1: where there's a power outage, no internet, no water, no food,
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Speaker 1: people die in the in the thirties and forties. When
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Speaker 1: you were on that side, did anybody ever bring that up?
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing you might have because you're really smart. But
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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that so many people want to
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Speaker 1: come here, doesn't that show our goodness anyway?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think when I was in the movement, my my
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Speaker 3: perspective was so narrow, it was so myopic. I was
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Speaker 3: just thinking about in eighteen fifty was this temperature, and
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Speaker 3: it's this temperature today, and this much CO two has
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Speaker 3: been added to the atmosphere, and it's bad, and that
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Speaker 3: was so how I was thinking. I wasn't thinking on
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Speaker 3: a global scale, historic scale. I wasn't thinking of cost
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Speaker 3: benefit analysis of we've have more CO two, But what
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Speaker 3: are the benefit fits we get from fossil fuels? And
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Speaker 3: now I understand, you know, the fossil fuel powered life
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Speaker 3: that we have, the energy abundant life that we've powered.
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Speaker 3: We use thousands of watts of energy a day just
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Speaker 3: from like the showers that we take, in, the food
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Speaker 3: that we eat and everything right, and it's replaced actually
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Speaker 3: the same amount of energy that would be six hundred
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Speaker 3: human beings. So I in the olden days would need
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Speaker 3: six hundred slaves to have the energy abundant life I
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Speaker 3: have today. But instead I get powered by a you know,
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Speaker 3: natural gas plant that's out of sight, out of mind,
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Speaker 3: and I pay a few cents to turn on the
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Speaker 3: lights and all these things. And so we really can't
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Speaker 3: underestimate how good we have it. We truly all live
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Speaker 3: like kings. And so to me, it's like we got
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Speaker 3: a little bit of extra carbon in the atmosphere in
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Speaker 3: a degree or two. I would rather live in this
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Speaker 3: world that's warm and abundant than in a cold world.
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Speaker 3: And you know, require slave labor to have a comfortable life.
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Speaker 3: Now we can all do it because of these technologies.
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Speaker 1: It's a really important point, Lucy. I mean what you
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Speaker 1: just said makes a lot of sense, because where is
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Speaker 1: there the largest amount of slavery on the planet now
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Speaker 1: in Africa? Millions of people are enslaved there. Now, we
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Speaker 1: got rid of it a long time ago, thank god.
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Speaker 1: We never should have had it. But because we became
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Speaker 1: self sufficient and we realized how morally bad it was.
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Speaker 1: It's Lucy Biggers. Go follow her at Lucy Bigger's on
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Speaker 1: ig at l Biggers over on X and substack is
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Speaker 1: Lucy Biggers. When you were in the movement and you
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Speaker 1: saw somebody like AOC walk out and say we're all
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Speaker 1: gonna be dead in twelve years, or al Gore say
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Speaker 1: in two thousand, the polar or the twenty fourteen, whatever
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Speaker 1: the hell it was, the polarized cap would be gone
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Speaker 1: and we would have a flood in Lower Manhattan. When
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Speaker 1: you heard things like that and that it turned out
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Speaker 1: never to come true. It never happened. All the predictions
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Speaker 1: were wrong. Did you What were you in such a
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Speaker 1: place that you rationalized it? Okay, they were wrong about that,
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Speaker 1: but it's going to happen eventually, or was that really
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Speaker 1: what woke you up?
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Speaker 2: I didn't think about it. I think I just didn't
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Speaker 2: know that the predictions were wrong.
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Speaker 3: I guess because I would turn on the news and
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Speaker 3: you know, like, what's happening on with this heat wave?
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Speaker 3: And you'd hear this heat's unprecedented and it's America's fault,
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Speaker 3: it's global warming, And so I kind of just bought
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Speaker 3: that surface level understanding that was reinforced sort of passively
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Speaker 3: by the news. Right you can always find an article
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Speaker 3: that says this heating is unprecedented and it's our fault,
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Speaker 3: or this hurricane was unprecedented in our fault. There's so
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Speaker 3: much information out there that reiterates that point, and so
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Speaker 3: I did not know that the predictions weren't coming true
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Speaker 3: until I started to do some research. I think the
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Speaker 3: first thing that broke through for me, though, was the
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Speaker 3: fact that deaths from natural disasters were down ninety seven
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Speaker 3: percent hundred years. So then I was like, wait a minute.
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Speaker 3: One of my foundational beliefs is climate change is dangerous.
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Speaker 3: And then I thought, okay, well, if deaths from natural
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Speaker 3: disasters are down so significantly, even with climate change happening,
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Speaker 3: then it's not dangerous. And so that was when I
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Speaker 3: was like, let me, let me reframe this, because why
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Speaker 3: am I pushing something that's so dramatic, right, I want
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Speaker 3: to dismantle our energy system and really hurt the.
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Speaker 2: Way of life that we have. But now I'm learning
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Speaker 2: that what I'm trying to prevent is maybe not even dangerous.
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Speaker 2: And then that was when I was like, Okay, I
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Speaker 2: got to learn more.
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Speaker 3: And then I learned from reading other books that you know,
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Speaker 3: extreme weather's not gotten worse, all these other statistics and so.
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Speaker 2: You learn a lot.
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Speaker 3: The only thing that's really gotten a little bit more
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Speaker 3: common is heat heat waves, which we're seeing right now
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Speaker 3: obviously because we have gone through a warming period. But
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Speaker 3: I will say, we can't even tell what amount of
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Speaker 3: this warming period is just naturally occurring. This could be
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Speaker 3: fully naturally occurring, and in the next decade or two
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Speaker 3: we could go through a cooling period and then that
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Speaker 3: will really be the last nail on the coffin of
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Speaker 3: this stuff. But right now, because we also are warming
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Speaker 3: and the CO two is going up at the same time,
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Speaker 3: we have a correlation that we're trying to understand is
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Speaker 3: a causation too, and we don't know.
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Speaker 2: But I guess even if we don't know, then.
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Speaker 3: You look at the global greening and it's not dangerous,
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Speaker 3: and how amazing fossil fuels are, and you kind of
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Speaker 3: look at the cost benefit and you go, I think
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Speaker 3: I'll stick with fossil fuels and like a degree or
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Speaker 3: two of warming in some greener planet, Like, I think
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Speaker 3: it's a good deal.
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Speaker 1: But I'm with you. It's Lucy Bigger's Lucy. That's very,
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Speaker 1: very smart what you said. Let me throw this out
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Speaker 1: at you. I grew up in South Florida and we
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Speaker 1: had hurricanes when I was growing up. I grew up
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Speaker 1: we actually played football during Hurricane David. In like nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy eight, Hurricane Andrew came through when my wife was
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Speaker 1: nine and a half months pregnant with my daughter, Sam
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Speaker 1: and it ended up going south and ruining much of
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Speaker 1: south of US. We were in Palm Beach County. But
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Speaker 1: we were told back then, even from I would guess
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Speaker 1: the mid eighties on because they were early seventies, they
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Speaker 1: were talking about global cooling. But we were told that
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Speaker 1: hurricanes are getting more intense, more numerous, We're getting way
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Speaker 1: more storms than ever. And I remember, like the year
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Speaker 1: two thousand, I went to Florida. I was a TV
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Speaker 1: news anchor in Michigan. I went to Florida to cover
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Speaker 1: the hurricanes. There were a lot of hurricanes in the
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Speaker 1: year two thousand and I went there and we were
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Speaker 1: told gonna be seventeen to twenty named storms every year,
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Speaker 1: and then like two thousand and five, we had Hurricane
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Speaker 1: Katrina pretty bad, and we had some others in that area,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly not so much, and nobody said anything.
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Speaker 1: Those who were on your former side were telling us
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Speaker 1: it would be more and more storms, it'd be more intense.
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Speaker 1: And it turns out you probably already know this. We
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Speaker 1: didn't have really sophisticated equipment to test and really gauge
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Speaker 1: how bad these hurricanes were back in the day, and
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Speaker 1: now we have better gauges that are saying the hurricanes
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Speaker 1: are way more intense. No, it turns out, of you
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought there was gonna be a Hurricane Katrina
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17:42
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17:45
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17:47
Speaker 2: Now we've been in a very quiet period where there
17:48
Speaker 2: were no land following hurricanes last year.
17:50
Speaker 3: And I think weather is cyclical, and I think we
17:53
Speaker 3: even saw this a few examples off the top of
17:55
Speaker 3: my head. California was in a drought for a decade.
17:58
Speaker 3: It's now no longer in a drought, right, It's all
18:00
Speaker 3: this historic rain for a few years.
18:02
Speaker 2: So there's that.
18:02
Speaker 3: Then like these even these heat waves in Europe. A
18:05
Speaker 3: really great meteorologist, you should have him on. His name's
18:07
Speaker 3: Chris Marts. He's a really smart guy. And she, oh, yeah, okay.
18:12
Speaker 3: So he talks about how even this heat wave right now,
18:14
Speaker 3: it's cyclical, it's because of some I don't know, high
18:17
Speaker 3: pressure or something something. I'm not a meterroologist, but it's
18:19
Speaker 3: like it could not even be about like you know,
18:21
Speaker 3: the cycle could change now, it's going to go into
18:22
Speaker 3: some cooling periods, and so like just because you have
18:24
Speaker 3: ten years of data on something, it doesn't really mean
18:27
Speaker 3: it's a sign that like it's CO two. And then
18:30
Speaker 3: the direct cause is this heat wave. But you know,
18:32
Speaker 3: even with snow, we've been having a lot of more
18:35
Speaker 3: snow in my region of Connecticut, and they're saying, well,
18:37
Speaker 3: these extreme these extreme cold is also because.
18:40
Speaker 2: Of climate change.
18:41
Speaker 3: But then you look at like the UN data, which
18:44
Speaker 3: again it's looking for crisis. It wants to find all
18:46
Speaker 3: the evidence to freak us out, and it's like cold
18:48
Speaker 3: spells of decreased, snowpack has decreased, and so you're like,
18:51
Speaker 3: wait a minute, you can't have it both ways like is.
18:54
Speaker 2: It more drafts? Is it more is it more rain?
18:55
Speaker 2: Is it more snow? Is it more warmth? Like? But
18:58
Speaker 2: that's when you kind of go, wait a minute, this
18:59
Speaker 2: isn't side centific.
19:00
Speaker 3: It's a propaganda, political tool that everyone uses to get.
19:04
Speaker 2: Their means of power through.
19:07
Speaker 3: And a lot of people, you know, having more control
19:10
Speaker 3: of our energy system and energy prices and all these
19:13
Speaker 3: things is a means of control.
19:15
Speaker 2: And maybe for some people it's happening. It's on a
19:16
Speaker 2: subconscious level.
19:17
Speaker 3: They think that they are on the right side of history,
19:19
Speaker 3: that they're helping people, and so they you know, make
19:23
Speaker 3: exceptions for maybe fudging a little bit here and there,
19:26
Speaker 3: because it's like for the good of humanity, which is psychopathic.
19:30
Speaker 2: But people are flawed.
19:32
Speaker 1: Well, I like where you just went because it tells
19:35
Speaker 1: me that I think those who do the job that
19:37
Speaker 1: you used to do really do think they're helping. They
19:40
Speaker 1: really do think they're making the world better. They think
19:42
Speaker 1: that it's going to be better for our children if
19:44
Speaker 1: we should have children. Maybe we shouldn't because that's harming
19:46
Speaker 1: the climate. But the overlords, and I think that you
19:49
Speaker 1: know this now, the overlords are trying to make money.
19:52
Speaker 1: I can go fly in a private jetif I want.
19:54
Speaker 1: Not that I do, but I can do that if
19:56
Speaker 1: I give them a bunch of money for my carbon footprint,
19:58
Speaker 1: Like that's going to solve the problem. What was that
20:00
Speaker 1: carbon footprint money supposed to do other than enrich people?
20:03
Speaker 1: Can you somehow dial back the carbon because I paid
20:06
Speaker 1: you X amount of dollars per cubic inch? I don't
20:09
Speaker 1: get it. What was that supposed to do?
20:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was supposed to like add to green technology.
20:14
Speaker 3: But again it's just putting it into government's hands that
20:16
Speaker 3: pick winners and losers. And the biggest evidence for this.
20:19
Speaker 3: It's so funny, Like al Gore was worth two million
20:23
Speaker 3: dollars when he left becoming when he was vice president
20:25
Speaker 3: he left office, and he's worth three hundred and thirty
20:28
Speaker 3: million dollars now because he has a fund that technology
20:32
Speaker 3: and carbon. Yeah, so weird. And it's so funny because
20:35
Speaker 3: I really like a lot of these scientists that are
20:37
Speaker 3: on the other side, the climate realists, people at the
20:39
Speaker 3: CO two Coalition in Heartland Institute, and I so quickly
20:42
Speaker 3: get well, they're taking energy money from X, Y and
20:45
Speaker 3: Z and I when I was in the climate movement,
20:46
Speaker 3: I never got that critique of al Gore, no one
20:49
Speaker 3: questions his motives. So just funny when you are on
20:52
Speaker 3: the opposite side and on the practical common sense side,
20:54
Speaker 3: people are like, what's your funding, when like, there's so
20:57
Speaker 3: much more evidence that these climate activists and these tim
21:00
Speaker 3: at shills essentially are the ones making so much money
21:03
Speaker 3: off of this, But they don't get tarnished with that
21:05
Speaker 3: in the same way that like I get called fossil
21:07
Speaker 3: fuel shill underneath every single one of my videos. And
21:10
Speaker 3: I've never taken money from fossil fuels because intentionally unfortunately
21:13
Speaker 3: for my wallet, because I can't, I don't. I want
21:17
Speaker 3: to be able to say full throated I've never taken
21:19
Speaker 3: money from energy because I want to be able to
21:21
Speaker 3: say I want to be I'm such I'm so passionate
21:24
Speaker 3: about being an advocate, and so it's just funny, like
21:27
Speaker 3: I've never taken money from any special interests, but all
21:30
Speaker 3: these climate activists are taking money from these special interests
21:33
Speaker 3: and they have I mean even like the CCP, we
21:36
Speaker 3: now know fun screen energy programs here in America because
21:40
Speaker 3: it's in their interests. They own all of the supply
21:42
Speaker 3: chains for solar and wind, and they know, an unreliable
21:45
Speaker 3: energy grid for America is just overall good for them.
21:49
Speaker 1: And what are they building it. I think they're building
21:51
Speaker 1: a cold plant per week in China. As they're funding
21:53
Speaker 1: energy here. They're building, you know, the dirtiest energy they
21:56
Speaker 1: can there. It's Lucy Biggers that Lucy Biggers over on
21:59
Speaker 1: Instrum go Ahead.
22:01
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I think the solar and wind
22:02
Speaker 3: industry is just a jobs program for their people, right
22:05
Speaker 3: Like they're just doing it around the margin so that
22:08
Speaker 3: they have factories to like employ villagers and not have
22:10
Speaker 3: like civil unrest. But when you look at these technologies
22:14
Speaker 3: other than nuclear, of course, which is the one thing
22:16
Speaker 3: that the environmental movement vilified, that's really the only thing
22:19
Speaker 3: that is comparable. And we're just talking about the electricity grid,
22:22
Speaker 3: by the way, we're not talking about construction, cement, airplanes, shipping.
22:27
Speaker 3: All of those things right now are one hundred percent
22:29
Speaker 3: nearly fossil fuels because solar and wind you can't get
22:33
Speaker 3: enough power to do those things, and nuclear is just
22:36
Speaker 3: really electricity. So yeah, you really look at it, you
22:40
Speaker 3: can look at it from every angle and none of
22:41
Speaker 3: it makes sense. And overall we've spent i think it's
22:45
Speaker 3: eleven trillion dollars on this green transition, and three percent
22:49
Speaker 3: of our energy is now solar and wind, and you could,
22:52
Speaker 3: you know, put a billion You can put eleven billion
22:55
Speaker 3: trees and basically solve like urban heat highland effect in
22:58
Speaker 3: these cities that are really hot right now. Eleven we
23:01
Speaker 3: could plant eleven billion trees and that we'd still have
23:04
Speaker 3: money left over or whatever.
23:05
Speaker 2: So like it's ridiculous.
23:07
Speaker 1: It's how Lucy Biggers always appreciate the time in the
23:09
Speaker 1: Access You mentioned Alga a couple of times. Why were
23:12
Speaker 1: there never any ramifications for al Gore when we found
23:14
Speaker 1: out his electric bill every month was twenty thousand dollars?
23:17
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, he was using more electricity than like
23:20
Speaker 1: city blocks in many places. And when we said, hey,
23:23
Speaker 1: al Gore is driving around in a dirty private jet,
23:26
Speaker 1: it's an old one that really puts out the emissions
23:28
Speaker 1: and his electricity bills twenty thousand dollars a month at
23:31
Speaker 1: his house in Tennessee or whatever, why didn't that? Why
23:34
Speaker 1: did that not stick to you? Think because the media
23:36
Speaker 1: is on his side. I mean, what is that?
23:39
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think Semdia' is on his side. I think
23:41
Speaker 2: he is just the good guys, right.
23:43
Speaker 3: This is like Thomas sol we'll talk about this, the
23:45
Speaker 3: Visions of the Anointed People. This is like an old
23:47
Speaker 3: book he wrote in the nineties that I felt was
23:49
Speaker 3: very sorrelevant to today. It's like, if you're the good
23:51
Speaker 3: guy who's always on the side of the media for
23:54
Speaker 3: the underdog, and you project compassion and concern, people don't
23:59
Speaker 3: really think deeper than that, and so they're just like,
24:02
Speaker 3: he's a good guy, we don't want to drag him.
24:03
Speaker 2: Right.
24:04
Speaker 3: But then if you're someone like a Trump who's a
24:05
Speaker 3: realist and kind of poking the bear but saying the truth,
24:09
Speaker 3: you get dragged by the media because they just don't
24:10
Speaker 3: know what to do with you. And I think from
24:12
Speaker 3: my own experience of being on that side to this side,
24:14
Speaker 3: it's like I'm a lot more criticized and scrutinized from
24:16
Speaker 3: being on this side because I'm no longer seen as good.
24:20
Speaker 3: I'm seen as an op and I'm a negative influence
24:24
Speaker 3: because I'm no longer on the side of the underdog.
24:26
Speaker 2: But when you actually look at it, it's so funny.
24:28
Speaker 3: The climate movement is so destructive for just energy access,
24:32
Speaker 3: and so you still have a billion people who don't
24:34
Speaker 3: have reliable energy. They're cooking their food with wood that
24:38
Speaker 3: they have to go collect with, you know, and so
24:39
Speaker 3: that means their kids are spending their day collecting fuel.
24:42
Speaker 3: Their kids aren't going to school. The single biggest thing
24:45
Speaker 3: you can do for that population of people is give
24:47
Speaker 3: them a gas stove. And so if you really wanted
24:50
Speaker 3: to help humanity, you'd really actually be advocating for the
24:54
Speaker 3: proliferation of natural gas or propane gas stoves and getting
24:58
Speaker 3: these people even have a light bulb revolutionary for people
25:01
Speaker 3: so they can study. And so these activists are the
25:05
Speaker 3: ones who promote policies that make energy less affordable, less accessible,
25:09
Speaker 3: and they end up hurting people.
25:10
Speaker 2: So everything is like the upside down world. It's very
25:13
Speaker 2: silly and weird.
25:14
Speaker 1: What was that push to get rid of gas stoves
25:16
Speaker 1: all about? Is there somebody from the electricity lobby that
25:20
Speaker 1: doesn't want gas stoves? I never understood that electricity comes
25:24
Speaker 1: from a grid. The grid has to be powered somehow.
25:27
Speaker 1: We're not for nuclear, which would be the most efficient.
25:29
Speaker 1: We're for me generally speaking, we're using fossil fuels to
25:32
Speaker 1: power the grid that then powers electric stoves. What was
25:36
Speaker 1: that all about do you know.
25:39
Speaker 3: I just think that there are a lot of politicians
25:41
Speaker 3: to a very surface level understanding of these issues, and
25:44
Speaker 3: then lobbyists come to them and say, hey, this is
25:46
Speaker 3: what people want, let's ban this thing, and so these
25:49
Speaker 3: policies get passed without that next line of reasoning of
25:52
Speaker 3: what are the downstream impacts. You see this a lot
25:55
Speaker 3: with just like it's virtue signaling policies, and unfortunately, you
25:59
Speaker 3: have a lot of climate policies in places like New
26:02
Speaker 3: York and Colorado where they're trying to lower their emissions
26:05
Speaker 3: from heating and all these different things by a certain amount.
26:08
Speaker 3: And it's really going to hit the fan when these
26:12
Speaker 3: these deadlines come down, because it's exorbitantly expensive to electrify
26:16
Speaker 3: your heating or even your gas.
26:18
Speaker 2: And it's funny too, because.
26:20
Speaker 3: When you get everything reliable on the grid, like you said,
26:22
Speaker 3: it's like all of a sudden, everything's coming from that grid,
26:25
Speaker 3: and so you're just more vulnerable. Even with like an
26:28
Speaker 3: electric car, like to have the idea of like, oh,
26:30
Speaker 3: when the grid goes down, you can't charge your car
26:33
Speaker 3: versus if you have a gas station. It's just like
26:35
Speaker 3: there's different like ways to get energy and having it
26:37
Speaker 3: kind of come from different places. I think makes a
26:39
Speaker 3: lot of sense. But these climate people they're just they're
26:43
Speaker 3: not smart. They're so ideological and.
26:45
Speaker 2: Emotional that they don't look at the downstream of impacts. Right.
26:48
Speaker 3: They ban plastic straws because of like a plastic pollution
26:51
Speaker 3: project in Asia, plastic pollution problem in Asia.
26:55
Speaker 2: They ban plastic straws in New York. It's like very silly, and.
26:59
Speaker 1: It turns out paper straw don't work very well. That's
27:01
Speaker 1: it's so strange. It is that Lucy Biggers go follow
27:03
Speaker 1: her on ig Lucy Biggers, it's l U C YB
27:06
Speaker 1: I G G E R s go and follow her there.
27:08
Speaker 1: I've got to know when you were dealing with people
27:11
Speaker 1: like AOC and I don't you personally, I think you
27:13
Speaker 1: did deal with her. When you're dealing with Gretath Thuneberg,
27:15
Speaker 1: what's going on with them? Do they show up? They've
27:18
Speaker 1: got their script to read, they know Greta Thunberg. I'm
27:21
Speaker 1: gonna say this, and you can tell me if I'm
27:23
Speaker 1: right or wrong, and I'm willing to be wrong. She
27:25
Speaker 1: seems as though there's a mental incapacity there that her
27:28
Speaker 1: parents or the climate gurus took advantage of I literally
27:33
Speaker 1: saw her sit down on a panel and she was
27:35
Speaker 1: asked the question and she and then somebody else had
27:38
Speaker 1: to answer it. She didn't know anything off the top
27:40
Speaker 1: of her head, but she seems to be pretty good
27:42
Speaker 1: at delivering a dirty look at Trump or delivering some
27:45
Speaker 1: speech how dare you or whatever it is. I almost
27:48
Speaker 1: feel bad for her. So when you when you dealt
27:51
Speaker 1: with her, was am I right that there wasn't a
27:53
Speaker 1: lot there. She was just saying what she was told
27:55
Speaker 1: to say.
27:57
Speaker 2: I actually was.
27:58
Speaker 3: So I interviewed her when she was It was twenty nineteen,
28:00
Speaker 3: so she had have been sixteen or something like that,
28:02
Speaker 3: and I actually thought she was I've actually interviewed her twice,
28:05
Speaker 3: and I think she's very articulate, but she obviously has
28:08
Speaker 3: her like stick. So I don't know if like the
28:11
Speaker 3: same thing you saw, maybe she was like going off script.
28:13
Speaker 3: I wasn't obviously challenging her as a friendly interview, but
28:16
Speaker 3: I feel like she actually kind of has this quality
28:19
Speaker 3: about her that obviously it.
28:20
Speaker 2: Was enough to ignite a movement. But I don't know.
28:22
Speaker 3: I mean, I think about AOC a lot too, because
28:24
Speaker 3: we're the same age and we're both thirty six, but
28:26
Speaker 3: I now have two kids.
28:27
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a homeowner.
28:28
Speaker 3: And when when I was twenty eight, we were both
28:30
Speaker 3: twenty eight, and I was a Bernie supporter at that
28:32
Speaker 3: point too, and that's when she got elected to Congress.
28:35
Speaker 2: And that's like, okay, well, now you're just like the
28:36
Speaker 2: die is cast.
28:38
Speaker 3: That is your belief system, because now it's all your donors,
28:41
Speaker 3: it's everything, and the social cost of going against that
28:44
Speaker 3: would be career ruining.
28:45
Speaker 1: So that's amazing, step step stepstid. I got to stop
28:48
Speaker 1: because that's amazing. I never thought about that. So in
28:51
Speaker 1: other words, somebody like an AOC might have an awakening
28:54
Speaker 1: like you did, but she can't afford to.
28:57
Speaker 3: She can't, I mean, and I don't think she has
28:59
Speaker 3: because I I think there's so much, so many incentives
29:01
Speaker 3: to not. But I just know because we're the same age,
29:04
Speaker 3: and we were kind of on the same vibe. We
29:06
Speaker 3: went to Standing Rock, we were burning people, we had
29:08
Speaker 3: like a gardening face.
29:09
Speaker 2: We were kind of vibe in there for a few years.
29:11
Speaker 3: And then I went through like COVID and I had kids,
29:15
Speaker 3: and so I kind of went this way and I
29:18
Speaker 3: was able to evolve as a private citizen, and I
29:20
Speaker 3: did not start speaking out with my new beliefs until
29:22
Speaker 3: a year ago, twenty twenty five, and.
29:23
Speaker 2: So I can't even imagine.
29:25
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, at this point, she'll be
29:28
Speaker 3: like that forever.
29:28
Speaker 2: I think of like Jane Fonda.
29:29
Speaker 3: Who's like in her eighties and always has been doing
29:31
Speaker 3: the same climate bs forever. And so some people don't change.
29:36
Speaker 3: But I do think, you know, people aren't perfect. I
29:39
Speaker 3: don't think that they're not. I think AOC in her mind,
29:41
Speaker 3: she is a good guy, right, she's on the right
29:43
Speaker 3: side of his or she's helping people, and she's going
29:45
Speaker 3: to find the information that real reiterates that belief in herself.
29:49
Speaker 3: And if that means capitalism is evil and Elon Musk
29:52
Speaker 3: is evil and on these corporations are evil, then.
29:55
Speaker 2: That's what she's going to have to live by to
29:58
Speaker 2: get up every day.
29:59
Speaker 1: Let me ask him bit of a more personal question.
30:01
Speaker 1: You don't want answer, You don't have to. When somebody
30:03
Speaker 1: is mired in a movement like that, it's like you
30:06
Speaker 1: must wake up and you just loathed the day. You
30:09
Speaker 1: must wake up and just hate what you're facing. You
30:12
Speaker 1: must wake up and think things are so bad that
30:16
Speaker 1: I'm going to try my level best to make them better,
30:18
Speaker 1: but by the time I go to seep tonight, it's
30:19
Speaker 1: gonna be just as bad. And Okay, I didn't know
30:21
Speaker 1: you then. Now I do know you a bit, and
30:24
Speaker 1: you seem happy. You're so proud of your family, You're
30:27
Speaker 1: so glad that you're like living what would be a
30:29
Speaker 1: human beings dream, and you've got a couple of kids,
30:32
Speaker 1: you've got a great life, and you're writing a book.
30:33
Speaker 1: And is there a difference personally between then where I'm
30:38
Speaker 1: guessing you woke up stuck in molasses about how bad
30:41
Speaker 1: things are, to now where you look like you're perky
30:43
Speaker 1: and bouncing off the walls.
30:46
Speaker 3: Well, I definitely think outwardly, I've always been perky and
30:49
Speaker 3: bouncing off the walls, But I would say inwardly, so
30:53
Speaker 3: I think that, like, you know, if I described the
30:55
Speaker 3: way that I felt in in er, my inner world
30:58
Speaker 3: was very different, but I would say my eyner word,
30:59
Speaker 3: I was maybe still coming off the same way. But
31:02
Speaker 3: there was a lot of cognitive dissonance, and so I
31:04
Speaker 3: actually had a lot of anxiety, intrusive thoughts. I felt
31:07
Speaker 3: feelings of overwhelm and nihilism, and I didn't feel like
31:10
Speaker 3: I had a lot of agency in my life. I
31:12
Speaker 3: was very overwhelmed. It felt so like it was so
31:15
Speaker 3: beyond anything that I could handle. And now I feel
31:18
Speaker 3: like I have this like cone of control in my
31:20
Speaker 3: life that I can control. I have emotional boundaries and
31:24
Speaker 3: energetic boundaries about what I put my attention to, and
31:27
Speaker 3: I don't feel like there's any conflict between how I
31:30
Speaker 3: present externally and how I feel internally.
31:32
Speaker 2: And I will say, like.
31:33
Speaker 3: Even when I was in the movement, and maybe I've
31:34
Speaker 3: said this to you before, but like I would have
31:36
Speaker 3: a few glasses of wine and be like, actually, like
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Speaker 3: that's standing pipeline protest was bullshit, and I would say
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Speaker 3: that and so and or like I so like I
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Speaker 3: just think that it's like now I have the blessing
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Speaker 3: and the honor to not live a life as of
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Speaker 3: a hypocrite. And I think a lot of people actually
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Speaker 3: who are on this other side of the movement are
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Speaker 3: hypocrites and their cowards, and they don't want to lose
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Speaker 3: their standing within the group, and so they have private concerns,
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Speaker 3: but they're never going to voice them because if they
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Speaker 3: were to voice them, they would be canceled by the group,
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Speaker 3: and I think you see it now going politically a
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Speaker 3: little bit more macro with the Democratic Party and they're
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Speaker 3: getting overrun by the DSA Socialists. There's a lot of
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Speaker 3: people I know we're in democratic politics who are not happy.
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Speaker 2: But are they speaking out.
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Speaker 1: Well, they're not because they're, like you said, they're afraid
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Speaker 1: to not get invited to the next party. Let me
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Speaker 1: ask you one last question. We've got to do this
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Speaker 1: again very soon. I really love the knowledge that I
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Speaker 1: get from you, and I really enjoyed talking to you.
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Speaker 1: The last question is, and I think I asked you
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Speaker 1: this last time, how long did you stay with the
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Speaker 1: movement once you knew you had to leave? What was it?
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think to yourself the same thing.
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Speaker 1: I'll be out man, I'll be canceled if I do this.
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Speaker 3: I was producing videos in twenty twenty for my old job,
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Speaker 3: when I was a climate influencer that were even starting
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Speaker 3: on the edge of questioning things like I think I
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Speaker 3: did a video about like plastic straw bands being stupid.
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Speaker 3: So I was already even in the movement starting to
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Speaker 3: be like, let's be a little bit more critical thinking.
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Speaker 3: And that was twenty twenty and then twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 3: when I left my last job, I was like, I'm
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Speaker 3: done with this. I'm never going to speak publicly about
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Speaker 3: this again. That was like my climate change activist era,
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Speaker 3: and I'm moving on to bigger and better things. And
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Speaker 3: that was twenty twenty one, and then so I just
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Speaker 3: then started privately educating myself. And then I didn't post
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Speaker 3: all twenty twenty five. So I was still kind of
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Speaker 3: had a foot in both worlds, but had like a
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Speaker 3: pit in my stomach. I never, like, I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I wanted to stay within the group, and I wanted
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Speaker 3: I was nervous about what people would think of me
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Speaker 3: and about you know, the social fallout and like some
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Speaker 3: of that stuff did happen with old coworkers and old activists,
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Speaker 3: And I know I'm not well liked in certain circles,
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Speaker 3: but I don't really care because I now find those
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Speaker 3: people to be losers.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. Lucy Biggers. Go and follow everywhere
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Speaker 1: on substack. It's Lucy Biggers. You're writing a book. You'll
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Speaker 1: come back on We'll talk about that when you get
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Speaker 1: the book going. Yeah, I'm super proud of you for
33:58
Speaker 1: taking a stain and I just think that you're awesome.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, very welcome.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this one. Another unshaken and
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