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Apostle: The Mechanics of Religion? · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Beyond any terror you have imagined.
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  Speaker 2: A nightmare. No. Unlike anything you have witnessed. Is born.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, my name is Andrew Robinson, and you are listening
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  Speaker 3: to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 4: The unholy is unleashed. It's showtime.
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  Speaker 2: Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences
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  Speaker 5: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: Five more cooling in the containment chamber. To your stations,
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  Speaker 6: we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: I'm mad!
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  Speaker 4: I love you, Lord, I love you, but I'm mad
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  Speaker 4: at you.
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  Speaker 7: I am mad at you!
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  Speaker 4: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm Nora.
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  Speaker 4: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 4: the Oddity Studios. So, how's it going?
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  Speaker 8: It's... going it's going pretty well how.
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  Speaker 4: Are you i'm fine i was thinking we could maybe
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  Speaker 4: just throw out this whole episode once i started looking
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  Speaker 4: at the news for the weekend this weekend they are
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  Speaker 4: doing free entry and free tours at mammoth cave so
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna just throw out this episode and head there
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  Speaker 4: right now And you will enjoy a fun day of caving.
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  Speaker 8: Is that why you made me put this headlamp on
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  Speaker 8: right when I came in?
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  Speaker 4: I do like that you didn't ask questions. Just like, well, okay.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I do like finding co-hosts that are willing to do
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  Speaker 4: ridiculous things. That's what got us here every week. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: free entry. You may or may not be eaten by
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  Speaker 4: subterranean mutants, but... Do you.
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  Speaker 8: Pay extra for that, do you think, for a cave
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  Speaker 8: creature encounter?
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  Speaker 4: I think you have to. You've got to pay extra
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  Speaker 4: to crawl through the mud, and you've got to pay
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  Speaker 4: extra to get gnawed on. Maybe you just get a
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  Speaker 4: leg eaten off or something. It's a process.
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  Speaker 8: Full of surprises.
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  Speaker 4: If none of you got that, you should go back
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  Speaker 4: a few episodes and listen to our Descent episode, and
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  Speaker 4: it'll all make sense. I'm guessing you don't want to
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  Speaker 4: do that.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely not i will call the police right.
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  Speaker 4: Now they'll know you're willing they'll look at the headlamp
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  Speaker 4: and be like see you're totally down for this kind
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  Speaker 4: of behavior.
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  Speaker 8: God i should have thought about that just like.
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  Speaker 4: She brought her own pickaxe what the hell all right
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  Speaker 4: so i will i will kick it off with some
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  Speaker 4: some geek activities and and stuff i've seen Based on,
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  Speaker 4: actually I was going to see it anyway, but definitely
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  Speaker 4: based on last week's discussion, I did go see Suspiria.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen the new Suspiria?
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  Speaker 8: No, but I've been wanting to and I've heard good things.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm still recovering.
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  Speaker 8: Like psychologically? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And not like in a, like, I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: I'm overwhelmed because I've seen a lot of crap and
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  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of weird movies. I'm like, it doesn't, Again,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not shocked by it. I am shocked that that
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  Speaker 4: kind of movie is in mainstream theaters the way.
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  Speaker 8: That it is.
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  Speaker 4: Because there is a segment by the end. In general,
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  Speaker 4: there's several segments along the way that you're just like, alright,
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  Speaker 4: they're kind of going for it on this one. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's a big finale that I'm just like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you don't expect this in the multiplexes. So the fact
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  Speaker 4: that it got any kind of wide release is pretty impressive,
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  Speaker 4: I guess. But I don't know. I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: I'm having exactly the response that other people are. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess I won't go too far
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  Speaker 4: into it. So you can go make up your own mind.
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  Speaker 4: But I definitely am glad I saw it. And I
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  Speaker 4: did specifically want to see it in theater because it
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  Speaker 4: is a big, weird, overwhelming experience that I think probably
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  Speaker 4: works better in the theater. So I still encourage everyone
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  Speaker 4: to go see it.
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  Speaker 6: But.
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  Speaker 4: At some point, I guess we can do an entire
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  Speaker 4: episode trying to figure out what the hell exactly. We
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  Speaker 4: spend a lot of time on different stuff and sometimes
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  Speaker 4: things I'm not even sure why. We're invested in a
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  Speaker 4: lot of different weird sub-stories along the way. We're kind
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  Speaker 4: of not going into ones that I'm like, I think
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  Speaker 4: maybe that's more interesting? What are we doing?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: One main one we spend a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Of time on.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, is it really worth this much time? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So you watch it and decide for yourself. Other than that,
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  Speaker 4: I haven't seen much that wasn't in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: an episode other than Riverdale. Have I previously mentioned how
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  Speaker 4: awesome Riverdale is? I was describing it to someone the
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  Speaker 4: other day who didn't realize what it was, that didn't
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  Speaker 4: even get the reference of the town and so didn't
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  Speaker 4: realize the characters are a one-to-one, like it's an exact
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  Speaker 4: version of, it's just a super cool version of Archie. So,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, trying to explain it to them, like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: it makes a little more sense. You should be a
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  Speaker 4: little more okay with the heightened drama that's going on
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  Speaker 4: at this point, because they definitely like turned up the
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  Speaker 4: creepiness and the weirdness factor as they decided to transfer
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  Speaker 4: this over. into a tv show but like.
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  Speaker 8: I don't really remember any creepiness from the archie comic.
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  Speaker 4: You're not reading the right ones i mean there is
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  Speaker 4: an afterlife with archie where he is a zombie so
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  Speaker 4: you've oh there are many variations on the archie line
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  Speaker 4: you just have to kind of pick a specific one
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  Speaker 4: but anyway yeah they definitely take a a weirder darker
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  Speaker 4: turn especially as this goes on but it's also like
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  Speaker 4: very unapologetically like diving into almost nighttime soap level of drama.
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  Speaker 4: Like in a way that I'm like, they're aware of it.
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  Speaker 4: It's not badly done. It's like totally embracing that level
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  Speaker 4: of fun. And I'm like, this is just so damned enjoyable.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I, I am totally on board for Riverdale.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're out there fighting it, give it a shot.
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  Speaker 4: If you're my level of dorky, you might, you might
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  Speaker 4: be fine.
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  Speaker 8: So have you seen anything like, Um, other than the
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  Speaker 8: movie that we will discuss, I've been watching Haunting of
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  Speaker 8: Hill House on Netflix.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard many things, mostly good things.
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  Speaker 8: I really like it so far.
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  Speaker 4: It's, it's with any of them. Like that, that, that's
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  Speaker 4: the thing. I can't start new series. Like I'm okay
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  Speaker 4: with Riverdale cause I'm midway in and I've been there
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  Speaker 4: like week after week. So it's not overwhelming. But those
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  Speaker 4: Netflix ones, like I just look and I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 4: like 13 hours, 20 hours of like, man, there's just
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  Speaker 4: too many. I'm going to get there with Sabrina. But
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  Speaker 4: there's just a lot to undertake when you get into
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  Speaker 4: these series. There is. That's kind of what's put me
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  Speaker 4: off a little bit. So you're saying it's good?
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  Speaker 8: It's a good one. It's like haunted house, ghost stuff,
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  Speaker 8: mental illness stuff, my favorite. Mental illness girl. You know,
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  Speaker 8: like family drama and the story is really well written
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  Speaker 8: and interesting and it's good.
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  Speaker 4: All right. Anything else?
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 4: No spelunking adventures. We know that. No. All right. If
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  Speaker 4: that's the case, I guess we can get ready to
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  Speaker 4: delve into this week's movie.
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  Speaker 6: It's time for Sofa Theater. Thomas, your sister. But she's gone.
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  Speaker 6: These people, they're blasphemers.
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  Speaker 10: A cult.
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  Speaker 11: A disease.
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  Speaker 4: Bring her home.
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  Speaker 12: Name?
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  Speaker 6: Thomas Richardson.
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  Speaker 2: A dream of a world in which each waking day
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  Speaker 2: we rise equal.
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  Speaker 4: This island, it's our paradise.
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  Speaker 6: We have an intruder on our land.
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  Speaker 4: We have to find him.
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  Speaker 11: Your eyes.
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  Speaker 4: They've seen things.
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  Speaker 1: Who are you?
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  Speaker 13: He shall be cleansed according to the edict of this land.
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  Speaker 6: The promise of the divine is but an illusion.
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  Speaker 12: God is pain.
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  Speaker 6: God is suffering.
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  Speaker 11: Beware false prophets which.
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  Speaker 4: Come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are
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  Speaker 4: ravening wolves. Let us begin.
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  Speaker 12: This is time to put away the bottle. I don't
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  Speaker 12: remember what you said. I will take you in as
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  Speaker 12: my apostle.
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  Speaker 8: Cause I love us.
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  Speaker 11: In our bed.
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  Speaker 8: I'm whole.
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  Speaker 9: I'm holding on to you.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, let me, let me read out our little intro,
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  Speaker 4: and then I will let you go to town.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: So, this week's Sofa Theater feature is Apostle, not The Apostle.
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  Speaker 4: At first, I was, I was like, wait, the one, the,
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  Speaker 4: the Robert, never mind, okay. So, no, no, this is the,
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  Speaker 4: year is 2018. The 2018 Apostle, the director is Gareth Evans,
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  Speaker 4: and the plot, and I'll switch it up as I
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  Speaker 4: occasionally do when it's a Netflix project. instead of imdb
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  Speaker 4: sometimes i'll switch to the netflix version mostly it's just
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  Speaker 4: if i remember to this time i'm gonna go with
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  Speaker 4: the plot according to netflix in 1905 a drifter on
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  Speaker 4: a dangerous mission to rescue his kidnapped sister tangles with
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  Speaker 4: a sinister religious cult on an isolated island spoiler alert
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  Speaker 4: that's actually a pretty good breakdown so maybe maybe that's
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  Speaker 4: why we should go with netflix because like They're professionals
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  Speaker 4: putting this together, not whoever showed up at IMDb that
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  Speaker 4: day and randomly typed something. So that's the basic breakdown.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to give more as we get into this?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I had had dinner the night before you
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  Speaker 8: messaged me with some friends, and we were just talking
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  Speaker 8: about movies, and I talked about how I'd seen The Descent,
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  Speaker 8: and we had done the whole episode about it and
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  Speaker 8: how great it was. And they were like, you need
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  Speaker 8: to watch Apostle on Netflix. And I was like, tell
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  Speaker 8: me about it. And they're like, it's old timey cult.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, sold.
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  Speaker 4: That's enough. We're done talking now.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that's how you sell a movie to me.
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  Speaker 8: I love cults and I love like period horror. And
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  Speaker 8: we've talked about the Vivitch a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, yes, on it. So then you messaged
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  Speaker 8: me and were like, you want to do an episode
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  Speaker 8: this weekend? And I was like, yep, this is what
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  Speaker 8: we're watching.
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  Speaker 4: Apostle it is. So do we want to just ease
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  Speaker 4: our way into the story? Because that's the thing. It
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  Speaker 4: starts off like many of these kind of stories do,
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  Speaker 4: I guess. Or again, like it's also a weird mixture
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  Speaker 4: going into... just right off the bat, the director, because
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  Speaker 4: one of those opening shots, I'm like, okay, that was good.
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  Speaker 4: And then I knew, again, there's an Evans and there's
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  Speaker 4: like two different... Gareth. Gareth, okay. There's two different Gareths
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  Speaker 4: out there. So I'm like, okay, I'm pretty sure this
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  Speaker 4: isn't the one that's making Godzilla and So this is
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  Speaker 4: the other guy, but I'm like, wait, didn't he... So
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  Speaker 4: do you know much about his other main project.
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  Speaker 3: I guess?
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  Speaker 8: I just Googled it afterwards and people were like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: the guy who did Raid and Raid 2, which I
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  Speaker 8: have not seen.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I can't remember if I went back and
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  Speaker 4: watched the second one. I was still so impressed with
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  Speaker 4: Raid Redemption that I was just like, this guy... Well,
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  Speaker 4: and the other thing that's amazing to me seeing Raid Redemption...
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  Speaker 4: because it's immersed completely in Indonesia and everything going on
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  Speaker 4: in that culture. So at the time, I would have
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  Speaker 4: just guessed that's also where the director is from.
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  Speaker 5: Welsh?
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  Speaker 4: What the hell? So that was a weird little offshoot
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  Speaker 4: on this. It's just like trying to figure out how
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  Speaker 4: the hell this Welsh guy was knee-deep in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of Indonesia making this story about a specific style of
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  Speaker 4: fighting that obviously they are not based in Welsh land.
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  Speaker 4: there's not a lot of kung fu in wales i suppose.
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  Speaker 8: So unless you count the sheep sheep or sinister yeah
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  Speaker 8: sheep are weird.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah so there's like just yeah he hadn't done
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  Speaker 4: a ton of other stuff like there's a few other
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  Speaker 4: projects and i think one other movie before that again
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  Speaker 4: tying to indonesian fighting so like that's i think what
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  Speaker 4: it was is he was he's He's Welsh and he
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  Speaker 4: grew up there and he got into filmmaking and then
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  Speaker 4: got sent on a job to do a documentary about
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  Speaker 4: this style of fighting and got super into and was
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  Speaker 4: just like fascinated with, I guess, the guy that was
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  Speaker 4: teaching it there. And then the culture as a whole,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, and like made a movie starring that guy
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  Speaker 4: and then wanted to do something bigger and started Raid.
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  Speaker 4: Which then he realized, hey, I don't have the budget
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  Speaker 4: to do this giant story. So scaled it down to
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  Speaker 4: what is Raid Redemption, at least in this country. And
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  Speaker 4: then eventually that did pretty well. And they went, oh,
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  Speaker 4: here's some more money. So he then took most of
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  Speaker 4: what was that original story, I think, and made Raid 2.
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  Speaker 4: And then found his way here. So to me, it
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  Speaker 4: was a really weird having seen Raid Redemption. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: that's not the direction I would expect this guy to go.
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  Speaker 4: I guess now the Welsh part of it comes out
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  Speaker 4: a little more. But just as far as, like, Raid
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  Speaker 4: is so action-heavy. And it's, like, it's stylistic, but again,
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  Speaker 4: in a really fast-paced way and is set up to
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  Speaker 4: do nothing but, like, amazing fight scenes and stunts and
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  Speaker 4: all of the stuff is kind of geared so that
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  Speaker 4: all of that works. Not that there isn't some of
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  Speaker 4: that in Apostle, but not what I would expect going in.
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  Speaker 4: So this is, to me, a really weird choice director-wise
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  Speaker 4: or maybe a choice... by him to do this project
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  Speaker 4: seems weird i don't i don't know but he did
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  Speaker 4: a great job like that shot of the train that
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: was like hogwarts yeah i was like that's really cool
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  Speaker 4: and again just right off the bat super visually impressive.
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  Speaker 8: And when they're on the boats like sailing through and
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  Speaker 8: it's just this huge landscape and i was like damn
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  Speaker 8: this is shot beautifully he's.
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  Speaker 4: Got a great visual style so it's it's cool that
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  Speaker 4: we we get that but yeah it's it's not what
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  Speaker 4: i would have expected again i didn't i didn't fully
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  Speaker 4: know that until after the fact and went wait how
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  Speaker 4: did this come to be and i i'm still not
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  Speaker 4: fully sure how he landed on apostle or if someone
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  Speaker 4: just offered if netflix just hey come do this movie
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  Speaker 4: so I feel like there.
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  Speaker 8: Was a lot about this movie that was unexpected. Well,
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: like seeing Dan Stevens, and I just think of him
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: in Downton Abbey. And it starts off very Downton Abbey-ish,
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  Speaker 8: kind of. Really beautifully shot, and they're in England, and
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  Speaker 8: it's all gray and cloudy and old-timey. But then it
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: just goes off the rails, man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. These new ones that come out,
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  Speaker 4: these movies that are like, hey, it's a 2018 project,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: and then I'll watch it and be like, how did
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: this person that I don't know get to be the
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: lead in this movie? And then I'll be like, oh,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: they're in a show that I don't watch. So once again,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: going back to the fact that I don't watch that
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: many TV shows or series or any of this, it's
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: like there's so many people that I'm just like, where
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: the hell did this person come from? And then I'll
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: hit IMDb and go, oh, they have a massive resume
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  Speaker 4: that's all TV shows I haven't watched, usually, or just
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  Speaker 4: some occasionally one-off movies. But yeah, there's several people that
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, where the hell did they, oh, they're on
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: some Usually it's like, what's the freaking dragon show? Forever. Oh,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Game of Thrones. It was Game of Thrones. And I
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: was just like, so many people would show up and
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  Speaker 4: I'd be like, where the hell did they, oh, look,
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  Speaker 4: they're on the biggest show in the world. I'm just
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  Speaker 4: completely unaware, which is most of my life. So that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that was the thing. Almost everyone in this,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't really recognize.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I knew of, it's.
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  Speaker 8: Michael Sheen.
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  Speaker 4: Michael Sheen. Yeah. Michael Sheen. I think I've, heard interviews
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  Speaker 4: with him i think i know him as he's kind
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: of a big name now isn't he on um masters
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: of sex or something i think wasn't he in that
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: i i've heard really good things about that series so
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: it's like i think you know he's turned up in
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: several of those kind of like series that i haven't
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: watched so i knew him by name i still don't
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  Speaker 4: know that i would have like recognized him once you
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  Speaker 4: get into this and he's definitely got kind of a
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  Speaker 4: different look going on But yeah, so it was kind
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  Speaker 4: of interesting because this is so detached from our time
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  Speaker 4: in its own little isolated place that I also wasn't
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  Speaker 4: being sidetracked by, look at that big celebrity the whole movie,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: which is kind of an issue with the other one
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I watched this weekend. Not to call out Dakota Johnson,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: but somebody seemed out of place the whole time.
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: Well, Michael Sheen, I know him only from Like a
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: tiny independent movie back in like the early 2000s called
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: Dirty Filthy Love. And it's about this guy with OCD
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: who kind of is this huge germaphobe and like falls
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: in love with this girl. And of course, from what
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: I remember, you know, she's more like earthy.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: So Dharma and Greg the movie. Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: But it was really, really, really good. And so I
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: still remember him from that. And when I saw he
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: was the main, you know, preacher man, I was like, what?
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: This is going to be good.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah he's really good in it he's i definitely want
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: to get back to him but i don't know what
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: do we where do we begin yeah where do we
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: begin i guess with our i i will give them
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: credit like i almost like when they will like just
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: kind of throw us as the audience into a story
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: and we don't necessarily know what's going on because our
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: main character doesn't fully know what's going on so this
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: is definitely one of the like we don't even fully
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: understand the circumstance or the family scenario it just seems
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: like dad's lost his mind now but like yeah we
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: don't fully especially at that time we don't know where
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: the brother's been like he's just gone and everybody thinks
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: he's dead dad's lost his mind the sister's been kidnapped
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: like it's just a lot of weird things going on
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: in the one scene and then we're just on a
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: boat and we're starting off the story so i i
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: kind of like that more than when as we said
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: instead of spending 20 minutes of intro and intro and
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: really setting everything up it's just kind of throws you
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: into it and kind of gives you bits and pieces
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: and what it wants to elaborate on it will elaborate
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: on so i appreciate that when they can do it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: Right there were some things i wish they elaborated on
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: more definitely.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: As we get to the end there could have been
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: more i'm i think i just land more on i
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: guess i want to know what every well the filmmaker
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and everyone involved is is trying to do with it
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: yeah i think that's more of what i wanted to
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: know which again may be jumping ahead so if we
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: want to wait to get to that later so um
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: yeah i don't know what what do we think once
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: we get to the island it's.
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: This is obvious like super obvious from watching it but
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: it's so wicker man you know these People out on
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: this island.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I did think that as I watched the trailer after
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: you threw it out there, I was like, all right,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: I'm on board. But I'm like, this looks a lot
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: like a little bit of Wicker Man influence going on here.
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: And of course, we skipped the whole part where he
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: finds out that it's the cult because he already knows
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: something weird is going on.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Something weird is going on.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: On this island. And I want to know how he
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: got the boat ticket in the first place. Because they
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: mark it so they knew. So how did he connect?
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: That's what I was trying to decide did they send
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: him that little like invitation with the letter about the
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: sister but they marked it so they would know when
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: the dad was coming so that they could hit him
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: up for the money but he kind of realized hey
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: mine's got a weird mark on it nobody else has
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: so he swapped out and kind of sold that other
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: guy down the road he didn't know exactly but especially
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: as we went to that scene I was like was
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: that a little extreme like once because by the end
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: they realized this isn't the guy and they still offed
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: him I'm just like you already beat the hell out
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: of him like what did that really accomplish anything other
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: than proving you guys are evil but I was just
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: like there wasn't really even a reason for that other
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: than they seem like horrible people but oops we made
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: a mistake better cover our tracks like it's not like
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: the cops were gonna show up like you're on an
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: island you also run everything you could have just been
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: like Oh, well, get out in the field, you weird
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: old man.
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Sent him on his way, but had to cover up
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: their screw up.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: And so much blood wasted.
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, really?
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: What the hell?
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: You're so into collecting it in jars and you're just
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: pouring it all.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Over the floor of this barn. Just dumping that guy
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: on the floor. It's ridiculous.
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: Wasteful.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Damn people.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: I also got a bit of like a Jim Jones
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: vibe from the guy when he's doing his, Michael Sheen,
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: I think he's Malcolm, I think. And he's kind of
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: like the head of the whole operation. And he's doing
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: that speech about how everybody's equal. And, you know, this
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: is a land where no one's better than another person.
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: And so that whole feeling of like equality and you
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: all come in and it doesn't matter. You know, money
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: doesn't matter and titles and race and things like that.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Seems like anything.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Speech like anyone trying to win people over don't we
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: always kind of certainly in the last 200 years everybody
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: comes on board with this freedom and equality and like
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: which is great if it actually is happening that way
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: yeah it rarely in any circumstance is actually happening in
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: them that idealistic way but yeah he's he's there's definitely Again,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: almost more of a politician vibe to it than a
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: cult leader, which that's a fine line, I suppose. But yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: you do get that point thrown at you, how charismatic
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: he is and how easy it is that he's sort of...
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: That is one, as we get into it more and more,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, what exactly led him to this? You
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: get a few details as you go along, but it's
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: like you're still kind of trying to figure out like
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: what specifically led them to want to break away from
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: everything else. Why this version of that? There's sort of
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: a specific reason why the one part of it, but
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: it's still like, cause even like midway in, I'm like,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: they're still talking about, they're talking about religion in a
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: way very similar to normal. Like it's really to me,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: very similar in a lot of ways to normal Christian religion.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, Midway in, I'm like, what religion are we?
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Are we an offshoot of something? Is this just a
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: weird variation? So again, it gets a very weird variation
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: by the end of it, but like it's still functioning
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: more or less like some sort of weird Catholicism. So like...
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know. That's the part that I was just like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: what religion were they? Were they that crazy about religion before?
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Or did they totally create this when they got there?
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: And how do you get such devout followers if they
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: weren't raised that way? So they kind of skip a
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: lot of steps to get to that point.
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: And how are you recruiting followers on the mainland? Clearly
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: they all come in and know that the whole bloodletting
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: thing is expected and that's what you do. So it's like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: who's the guy over in London or wherever? The crazy
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: guy on the corner.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: You feel like you got too much blood?
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: She wants your blood. Come to this island. Yeah, definitely.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: I want to know how that recruiting went.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I assume pamphlets i'm hoping a little comic book yeah
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that gets left in washrooms around london.
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah like i want to know more about the behind
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: the scenes recruitment that's.
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: Going on you're going to hell because you have too
• 26:52
  Speaker 14: much blood come to the island get rid of your
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: extra blood then i guess we get like a nice
• 26:58
  Speaker 14: like sales pitch infomercial sort of like Like a travel agent.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Come to the island. Enjoy the luxurious splendor as you bask. Oh, no,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: you got to do a lot of work. We don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: even have crops at this point. How are you even
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: selling it? This place is falling apart. How do you
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: recruit new people?
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: Or how did they even... It shows a tiny bit
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: of a scene of them finding this old woman.
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: Goddess whatever but to the naked eye she would appear
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: to just be a random old woman on this island
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: and it's like how did you get to the point
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: where now she's imprisoned in a bunch of tree roots
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: and you're feeding her rabbit blood what was the process
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: where you decided like now we're here we gotta do.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: This now and how did it like how do you
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: immediately like get the jump on her because our one
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: our one dude who kind of rises at the end
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: there is like He's the one who found it out,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: it seemed like, and imprisoned her. I'm like, so you
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: immediately just, like, jumped her and tied her up? Or, like, what? Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: how did we immediately get to the point that she
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: doesn't even want to be there, essentially, and you're making
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: use of her for a weird religion? I don't know.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: It's very... It is very strange how this unfolds. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: think they wanted you to kind of, like, be there
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: for some sort of shock moments of, like, oh, God,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: look what they're doing.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know, did somebody backtrack enough to, like, make
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: all those points connect? Like, backtrack to one point that
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: made sense? Or is it just kind of jumping ahead
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: to be like, well, this will look weird. That's what
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: we're looking for. Yeah, exactly. Like, ooh, it's creepy. Which
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: it does.
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: It's creepy and it looks really good when we get
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: to those points. But, yeah, it's like, if you think
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: about it too much, you might get yourself in trouble. Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: In that same sort of vein, I felt like there
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: were so many little subplots that they started that then
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: we never really.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Kind of, or we start one... And we start a
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: couple kind of knowing how they're... Not really, but I'm like,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: we almost need them to be there. We need to
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: care just enough about them for them to be an example.
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Certainly our couple... Which to me, this is a very
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: specific message to kids out there. Don't go getting pregnant.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I don't care if it's 1905. Figure something out. Because
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: many a kid has gotten knocked up and been like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: oh man, my parents are going to kill me.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Literally.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Dad ain't going to put up with that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: It was so sad.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: So that was, yeah, that was one of those like,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: we're so... like on board with them because they're this
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: like star-crossed romance kind of thing, and everyone's against us.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Of course they're going to die. So we know it's
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: probably not going to work out well. I don't think
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I realized he was going to go down that road.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I was sure he was going to kill the guy.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I thought he might even go and immediately try to
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: stab the baby, but I didn't think he would just
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: out and out take her out first and foremost. So, yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: that's a little overboard.
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: And I feel like they kind of tried to set
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: up So that the teenage boy and what's Dan Stevens?
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: I don't remember his Thomas Richardson.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: Richard Thomason. Something like that. But they set it up.
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: So like they kind of met and they each knew
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: that they had these secrets. So you're thinking like, okay,
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: you know, maybe they'll come together and like do something.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: There's a few moments like that. Cause yeah, you would
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: think they would like work more together and they don't
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: really get a chance to.
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: But kind of that same thing when we get to the,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: the assassin sent in and then we've got Thomas is like,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: kind of like then taken, like he seemed like he
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: would have been the most likely. I mean, he just
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: showed up. Nobody knows him. Like they're calling him out for,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: haven't seen you at the worship lately. Like, you know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: so it seems like he's the outsider. He'd be the
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: most likely culprit for what they're looking for. But then
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: when he kind of proves himself to our leader, I'm like, okay,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: this is kind of cool. Like you could do something
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: really cool here where you like, Have him, like, he's
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: now in your confidence. So, like, you've got, like, a
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: whole side story where he brings you in as, like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: his right-hand man kind of thing. And, like, you really
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: are kind of brought into the inside track because you've
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: proven yourself. You've taken, you know, a knife for him, essentially. So...
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: we don't ever get that. Like, I really thought that
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: was going to be an interesting plot point that, like,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: seems kind of missed.
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: And he even, like, explicitly came in and shook his
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: hand and was like, you took a knife from me.
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: You have my trust. So I was like, all right,
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: clearly something's going to come.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take care of you. And I'm like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: a scene and a half later, he's already outed and
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: everybody knows and they're hunting him down. I'm like, well,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: we missed that. Seems like a missed opportunity to me. But,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: you know, they did the story they wanted to do. But,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: sometimes i that's become a running theme is i coming
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: up with alternate movies like yeah i know sometimes people
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: like i i've seen people that are very into film
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: that are just like nope you review what's on the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: screen and i'm like that's fine if if that wants
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: to be your approach that's that's up to you but
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: i like like the whole picture and like i like
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: we're coming at it from a very specific other end
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: of the spectrum here we're coming from the other side
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: of the screen So we're bringing something different to it,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: and I kind of want to flesh that out sometimes. Yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I kind of like coming up with
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: things that were missed opportunities or a plot point we
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: could have followed a little further.
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: Also, the sister, I don't even know if she talked
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: to the entire movie other than to be like, you
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: rescued me. That's it. But they didn't really go into...
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: their relationship at all or, like, how close they are
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: or what happened to her before and how she got
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: kidnapped and brought there. Yeah, how did she get.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Duped into this thing? Well, and also, like, when your
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: entire story is on the shoulders of, like, this person
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: being so awesome that you're willing to risk your life,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: essentially give your life to rescue her, to make sure
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: she has a life and she goes on. So, like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: if you are selling that character as somebody that important.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Person that you choose you know your actor as well
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: as their performance has to kind of balance that where
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: i'm like no offense to that lady but like she
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: didn't really have enough to do to be like she
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: was just sort of there and like i guess you
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: want her to get saved because that's his whole mission
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: in this movie but but yeah she doesn't seem to
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: yeah again like she doesn't pull you in in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: audience to be like oh no she's gotta get out
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: like yeah it's just like Well, I guess we want
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: her to escape. It just doesn't really, like, grab a
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: hold of you. It's just kind of like, yeah, yeah.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, she seems like one of the good people
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: versus the bad, so we want her to come out okay. But, yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: She spent, like, 50% of the movie in a bag.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: You know, those nights when you wake up in a bag.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've all had that. But, yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: And then the other girl, I'm like, you're just here
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: to be pretty.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Daughter.
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: First of all, where'd you even find lipstick on this island?
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: I don't believe it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: The shot, I think, when she's doing the laundry, I'm
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: just like, wow, you look very nice. But at the
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: same time, I'm just like, your hair is so perfect.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: You've got makeup on and lipstick.
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: Her eyebrows, yeah. Who'd you get to do your eyebrows
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: on this Welsh island?
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this is a very, this is what, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: the not, I don't know that Netflix is the Hollywood version,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: but the Hollywood-izing of everything where we look back and
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, if we had a window into the
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: actual people in 1905, that girl would be a train wreck.
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: None of those people are looking that good.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: They all, you couldn't even be around all of them
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: because of the stench, I'm assuming. But on top of that,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: they would all look to be such a mess.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Like our little... modernized minds would explode because we're we
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: can't even get through a day without like issues and
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: selling hygiene products so i'm just like i don't i
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: don't think i don't know that anybody looks that pretty back.
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: In the day no and her yeah it was like
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: okay like is this a love interest thing because if
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: so that's kind of lame and i feel like this
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: movie doesn't even need that but it didn't even become
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: that really yeah it was just like a look at
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: each other with you know kind of weird gazes and
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: say some cryptic things sometimes and I'm.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: A sap so I'll even go along with random love
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: interest thrown in even though in my head I know
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: it doesn't always need to be there but if they
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: do it right I'm just like it's okay it worked
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: but yeah we really just didn't get anything on that
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: it's just like and I kind of then when I
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: saw it wasn't really going too far into that I
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: thought we were going to get more into the father
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: daughter thing because that to me seemed like the way
• 36:00
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  Speaker 9: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Creepy imagery is that where you would uh like to
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: go yeah i'm like i.
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: Want to get into the the culty part at least
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: what we do know about the.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Cult yeah yeah there's some there's definitely very creepy moments
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: and some again there are moments when i see like
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Very few though. When I see the, the guy who
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: made the raid like kick in mostly like when Thomas
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: breaks out and like starts fighting those guys. But again,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: it's over in about a second and a half, but like,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: there's a second I'm like, Oh, that, that, nope. There
• 43:39
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• 43:39
  Speaker 6: That was it.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: But the, the spears into the other guy, the assassin guy.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that's an awesome scene. So again, I'm like, okay,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: there's the, there's the raid guy.
• 43:49
  Speaker 19: All right.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: I see him. I see him. He's still there. So yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff comes in. So those are just
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: more of the little tiny bit of action going on
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: kind of imagery. But creepy, there's definitely a lot of
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: creepy as we get. Again, like the halfway point you start.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Because it seems so normal for the first third or so.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: And then it starts getting a little weird. And then
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: midway in, you're like, wait, what the hell was that?
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: There'll just be moments. You're like, okay, so.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the floorboards is maybe the first sign.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Do you remember when he, like, he dumps the blood
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: from one into the other, and then, like, we get, like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: a face under the floor? Yes. That even now, I'm like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: was that? Like, I'm still trying to piece together what
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: that was officially, what it actually was within the context
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: of the story. But that was the first time you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: what the hell was that? And then we get that
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: a few more times, so. What's your favorites? My favorite creepiness.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Favorite creepiness.
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: I want to know what the story is behind the
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: dude with the twig mask. Twig head.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: The mask man. The hooks dude.
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, like their body sacrifice guy.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: We get just very... Again, it's almost for us, I guess,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: because there's no... there's no structure to this religion that
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: we can tell, but like when it snaps into, okay,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: we're going to full on do some sort of ceremony.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: We've got people in giant pointy hooded. We've got our
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: two guys in the black, you know, the black Klansman outfit.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: So I'm just like, whoa, what the hell is that? Like, and,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: and we don't ever really figure out who they are
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: or why those two guys get to wear that outfit
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: and nobody else does. So it's like, I think that's
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: almost just for us. So we know there's a weird
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: religious cult thing.
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: You didn't even found the cult until like 20 years
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: ago or whatever, whenever you washed up onto this island
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: for whatever reason. And then, yeah, now you have all
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: these like ancient rituals. And then also what's the deal
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: with the like sea cave ritual? paintings like was that
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: from people who lived there before or did they come
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: in and were like just trying to make it look
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: legit so they drew it like 15 years.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Ago I think it's the same people that did the
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: one in the descent yeah we have nothing but weird
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: cave paintings in most of our series we got going
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: here yeah but that one is like well yeah there's
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff that like doesn't totally add up
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: again like only if you stop and think about it
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: like if you just watch it straight through it's like
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: alright it's fine but Yeah, the more you're like, wait,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: why is that?
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: Or like her whole tunnel of blood. And then her
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: popping up in there when it's like, aren't you?
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Well, again, I was trying to figure out what that is.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: As I was trying to figure out, I think I
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: saw that was at least someone threw that out that
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: that's her manifesting herself.
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Sending out some sort of vision to him if she
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: is a goddess or whatever the hell she is.
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Like, I guess this is one of the things she
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: can do. So that's why I was like, was that
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: actually her under the floor then? Or is she constantly
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: tied up underneath a tree, you know? And like everything
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: else we see of her is just a vision of her.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: Or is she just like somehow the whole island intertwined
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: as her. So she can do whatever the hell she wants.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: And what was the tunnel he was in? Are we
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: assuming that was?
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: And there's so much leftover blood in there.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Was that blood? I wasn't sure what he was in.
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: Something.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I was like, well, I assumed it was, again, I'm
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: going with modern day, which is like, oh, Lord, is
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: he in the sewer? Which is maybe more gross than
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: a tunnel of blood. That's true. So, yeah, I was
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: not 100% sure what he was wading through there, but
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: not good either way.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Think of some of the other but yeah the twig
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: head i again like that's essentially i think he's just
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: like he's the executioner more or less he's there to
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: to kill things and then give her the blood more
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: than anything else but that's the other thing that like
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: especially you just mentioned that we're on kind of because
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: if we're going by the daughter like that's really our
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: only timetable but like she had a mother i'm assuming
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: all this took off when the So that puts it within, like,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: what is she, like 20? So that puts it kind
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: of in a 20-year span. How is it that there's
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: all these literal mechanics to it as well? Because that
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: was the other thing. I was like, we have no
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: seeming structure other than him kind of preaching, and again,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: in a very Christian kind of a religion in the beginning.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: But then when it snaps over and it becomes like, okay,
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: once we've crossed the line and the dude decides to
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: pull rank and become the new leader, suddenly we have
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: machinery involved. That's the thing. Because up until that point,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: other than slicing that one dude's throat, we hadn't seen
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: him kill people. We hadn't seen a whole lot of
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: weird cult stuff other than the bloodletting and collecting. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: you know it wasn't super crazy cult level at that
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: point but when it switches it like all of a
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: sudden now okay so you just have this table that
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: you vice people down to like just ready to go
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: like in a moment's notice they slapped it all together
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: got it built and it was some like weird does
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: everyone know that that's there? Obviously they're schooled in enough
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: that they put it together pretty damn quick. So does
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: everybody have the job that they know how to like
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: piece together the mechanics of this religion and like get
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: it ready to start sacrificing people like that? So that
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: I thought was kind of weird that we don't have
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: any version of that earlier. It just seems like it
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: comes out of nowhere.
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: And was it all, like, was her dad, like, trying
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: to keep that level at bay and was trying to
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: keep that at a minimum, and that's why he was failing,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: because he wasn't killing people to the extent that he
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: needed to? Because, yeah, once the other guy's in charge,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: it just, like, full-on starts sacrificing people with a drill
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: to the head.
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: So....
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Which, again, that's what I was saying earlier. It's like
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: we almost just needed that dumb kid to like him
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: just enough so that somebody could get a drill to
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: the head.
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Because we couldn't do that to our guy because we
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: still needed to finish our story. So it's like we
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: need somebody else that he gets to be friends with,
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: but not too much of friends because he's not going
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: to be around that long. So just care about him
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: enough that you're like, I hope he doesn't get a
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: drill in the head.
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: Poor buddy.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so there's that one, and then there's the
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: mangler machine at the end there that the guy is
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: cranking him into. That's pretty sophisticated for 1905. I mean,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: not that they hadn't been building machines for quite a while,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: but still, it also seems for a very specific purpose
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: of mangling people. So yeah, the fact that they... seemingly
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: to the naked eye, they're kind of a normal bunch
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: of weirdos in 1905, but they have all this structure
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: and machinery built up for the religion that, I don't know,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: it just seems like that's strange that that's not part
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: of what's going on in the day-to-day, but when we
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: need it, it's there to be creepy.
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and also like the, whatever hooks they're hanging the
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: people in the bags from, there's like two other bodies
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: already in there when they bring in the sister. So
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: then it's like, How many people are we sacrificing per day?
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: Because there's got to be 50 or maybe 100 who
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: live on this island. So how often are we either
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: taking one of our own and doing it that way
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: or kidnapping somebody, bringing them to said island, asking for money,
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: getting a family member to come out to the island?
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: going through this multi-day investigation of it like is this
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: the first time you guys have are just trying this
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: part out or is this a regular thing because that
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: seems like so much effort for not that great of
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: a reward.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Well as you say that i was like are there
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: also two other movies going on simultaneously for those other
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: two bags yeah exactly is there another brother over there
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: and this one's dad showed up and like there's two
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: other movies going on right now that like somebody else
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: gets to watch that version but we're focusing on this
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: thomas character And.
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: Then again, why are we going all willy-nilly with the
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: murdering and doing it wherever? Shouldn't you have a designated
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: ceremonial space where you can really make sure that you
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: funnel all that blood down into one big blood jar?
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Again, they're not planning very well on this. There really
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: should be. If you're that concerned about blood, it really
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: should just be set.
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: Up in a chamber. And that prone to having to
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: murder people, yeah. Be prepared, you guys. Do some planning.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. This is just, this is why your cults are failing. Exactly.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: That was another one. I think I just trying to
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: figure out some of what's going on in this story. Like,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: I think they also said maybe her dad was mostly
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: focusing on animals and that's why everything was kind of
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: falling apart. Cause he was trying not, I guess, I
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: don't know. Like he was focusing more on sacrificing animals,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: which is why they didn't have any more animals. So
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: it's like now the crops are also starting to die.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: So they don't really have anything anymore. I don't know.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: So I don't know if that's this like focusing more
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: on humans is a new thing, but if so, why
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: do we have machinery to kill? And I guess you
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: could throw a sheep in the mangler. I don't know.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: It's still like, yeah, it's a lot of weird pieces
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: kind of thrown out there. Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: You need to figure some stuff out in your cult, guys.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: As you're building your cult, be sure to put it
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: together a little tighter than this.
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: That's what, yeah, you got to plan if you're a
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: good cult leader.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I think the most effective and scariest part of the cult,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: and you think about this when you get kidnapped by
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: a cult, man, it's going to suck when kids are
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: poking you with sticks.
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: No, it's okay. They'll braid your hair. But they're also
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: simultaneously going to poke you with sticks.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: Which then also, who are these jerk kids going and
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: listening to this sermon about how we're all equal and
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: then being like, let's go poke the lady.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Except this girl, we get to poke with a stick.
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: She sucks.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: We hate her. Poke, poke. Poke, poke.
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: Poke.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: You're raising a whole new generation of jackasses.
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: Alec, are you trying to intentionally be evil and just
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: be crazy about it? Or are these kids just jerks?
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Because, yeah, like the way that we're led to believe
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: by what little dialogue we have covering this is they
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: hadn't been doing this, which does make me wonder what
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: the hell's in those other two bags. But like this
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: was a desperate one off thing that he came up
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: with because he found out her dad had money. So
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: like it was just like, oh, we're doing pretty well
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: doing this, you know, our religion. And then it wasn't
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: going so well and they were starting to lose the
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: crops and they needed more livestock, I guess, because he
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: keep killing them all. So, like, this became sort of
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: a last-ditch effort of, okay, let's try kidnapping. You know, like,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: ransom is the way to go. So, yeah, any good
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: religion involves kidnapping and ransom. But, yeah, so, I mean,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: it seems like that isn't a normal thing for them.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: So then, this is, like, a weird point that we
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: kind of come into this story. That he's even, like,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: once we get to the guy trying to escape on
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: the boat, the kid that drilled, his dad... It's just
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: like calling out all this stuff. It's like, what is
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: working about this for you? How are you still hanging
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: on to this as your life now? It's like everything
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: about this place is falling apart. Get out. Time to move.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: He's kind of right.
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: Find yourself another island. Well, then how do we want
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: to interpret that ending?
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: That, to me, gets to the bigger question. Because I
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: think all this other, like, it's mostly nitpicky. I can
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: just kind of, like, let most of that slide. The
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: thing that is more of an issue with me by
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: the end of it is, what are we trying to
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: say with this? Like, as a whole, I mean, it's about,
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't even question anything else. Like, there's
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: no other layers to it. It's not like, let's focus
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: on the problems with marriage.
• 56:30
  Speaker 11: No, no.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: We don't see much of that. Let's talk about family relationships. No,
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: we get a pretty messed up, broken version of that too.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: So it's like, it doesn't focus on anything else. The
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: only through line through, through the whole thing is religion.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, what are we trying to say
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: about religion? Cause I don't even think it lands on anything.
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: It seems like it's because it's so close to traditional
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: religion in the beginning, it seems like it's just sort
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: of damning of religion in general and But then when
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: it becomes a cult, it's like, yeah, this cult sucks.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, okay, but what are you trying to say?
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: So just that kind of basic level of what the message,
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: what the direction of this is supposed to be. And
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: it gets even weirder when we get to the end
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: with him. Again, I try not to go delve too
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: far into what other people think, but that one I
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: was like, I only went one place that doesn't count
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: as much because it was Wikipedia. But the way Wikipedia
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: described it is not really where I was going. So
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: what's your take on the very end of basically him
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: bleeding in the dirt?
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean, well, it's again like, well, then what
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: was the deal with the... Because if he set her
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: on fire, she bursts up in flames and then it's like...
• 57:50
  Speaker 8: maybe I thought the whole island would just go up
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: in flames if she's kind of the one who controls
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: all of the vegetation on it and stuff, or maybe
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: everything dies, but it's like, Oh, she can just be
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: replaced by another person. Is that what they're going for?
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: Or like, he's just going to get, you know, he's
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: the last sacrifice and gets taken in and then that's that.
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: But like, are we going for him being the.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: New, I think that's kind of plant God, but they, yeah, they,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, they'd, The way they worded it was as
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: he becomes a living God. I was like, okay.
• 58:27
  Speaker 16: I don't know.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: To me, it was more of just a downer bleeding
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: out kind of thing.
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: Then you can take it almost... Because again, before it
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: wasn't about.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Her bleeding like it was her ingesting other blood and
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: then that would make everything it was only when she
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: was getting blood that things would flourish yeah so like
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: this isn't really doing the same thing so to me
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: it was almost more of like a cruel like well
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: this is what it took to fix everything guess what
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: you're it's all gone now so it doesn't matter yeah
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: so i got way more of like a downer like
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: and here's our hero bleeding out in the dirt you
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: have fun with that this is what happened tied to
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: this terrible island yeah he did the one thing he
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: came here to do but that's pretty much the only
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: win you guys get because everything else has gone up
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: in flames and it's all falling apart so i don't
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: know like where where do we land on.
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: This well and then like yeah what does that say
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: about religion especially for him that he was this missionary
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: went through horrible torture and then wasn't religious anymore but
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: now if i mean depending on how you interpret it
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: but now he's an actual he's.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Becoming a god so it takes losing your faith well
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: that's what yeah i mean that's what like all of
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: his because i did stuff that was the only thing
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: like as i didn't make a ton of notes but
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: as i went through like some of the stuff he
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: was saying Was so, like, just blatantly, like, as for God,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: he left me. Like, pain, suffering, betrayal, these are his
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: descriptions of religion. So, like, it really is, like, I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: don't know, like, faith is pain.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Is what we start to take from this. That, like,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: the only way that this religion works is through other
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: people's suffering. And then in the end, that's kind of
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: proven right. Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, again, I'm like,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: is that what we're saying about this whole story and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: religion as a whole?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, like religion is horrible and now congratulations, you're forced
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: to do this.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Be the light that guides me to eternity. That was
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: the sister, I believe, because she's such a shining beacon.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: We don't know anything about her.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: She's so amazing to be around. Oh, no. She's a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: stick poking. That's the most action she gives. Just poked
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: with a stick. That's all we get from her. Really?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: And she doesn't even say, like, anything.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah. So, like, generally, I did like the movie and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 8: thought it was worth a watch.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: Not just for, like, the crazy visuals and the kind
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 8: of new-ish take on the cult thing.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I only feel like it's different because it's,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: it feels unfinished to me. Like I feel like if
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: it went one way or another, it would probably land
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: more on like, this is a 1905 version of Jonestown,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: you know? Like it really would land somewhere we've seen before,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: but because it never squarely lands anywhere, like it feels
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: a little different, I guess, which maybe is what they
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: were going for. I don't know. But yeah, it's like,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I never really know where they're going with the points
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: again it seems very damning of religion as a whole
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: like especially like when we get his flashback of like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: burning crosses and like him again like it's we're supposed
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: to be on his side but now like really if
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: you if you flip to the other side it's like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: you're forcing your Christianity down this other culture's throat and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: This is the backlash. This is them fighting against you,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: forcing your religion on them. So I'm like, is this
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: cult any different than what you were doing? It's like,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: it ends in violence here. It ends in violence over here.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: How is it any better? Just because you call this
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: one a cult, what's it say about your religion that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: you were totally on board with in the beginning? Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It seems like it's got a very
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: damning version of religion, but then it never fully finishes that.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: It never seems like it lands on a take one
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: way or the other 100%. I don't know.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, like, even the goddess as a whole, like,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: do we feel bad for her? Is she, like, an
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: inherently evil being? Because, you know, they sure make her
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 8: look creepy and stuff.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Definitely, but, like... That scene in the tunnel is disturbing. Yeah. Like,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't... That's the one I was like, I didn't
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: see that coming.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Like, it is like, whoa, what kind of a movie
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: did I just stumble into? It becomes a horror movie
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: for a few seconds, and then it's kind of just
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: back to a weird cult movie.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and, like, she's definitely creepy, but then... have they
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: just imprisoned her in this thing and are forcing her
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: to you know sit there and drink.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Blood that would almost be a different take on it
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: is if she if because midway in i'm like is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: there anything supernatural like like what if she was just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: an old woman and like they decided she was the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: goddess and like she's just an old woman trapped under
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: a tree and like they're still making her drink blood
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: it's like if it just happened to be a good
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: year you know it's like What if there were no
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: signs that there was anything supernatural from her? To me, again,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: that would be more of a take of total rabid zealots.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: Just them forcing this religion into something it really isn't.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Because there is no supernatural element to back it up.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: But we do get those moments where they bother to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: show she does have some sort of powers involved. again
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: mostly just some sort of ancient language and she can
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: make like moscrow but other than that it's like we
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: don't you know she doesn't have much power because if
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: she did she should have freed herself a long time
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: ago so it is like it is it it doesn't
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: fully land on that either like i feel like it
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: would almost be more interesting if it if she wasn't
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: a goddess if she was just someone that had become
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: a pawn in this weird game that they set up
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: 20 years ago and like that That, in a way,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: would be more interesting to take, but we don't really
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: fully get that either. But she doesn't do much. It's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: just enough to throw out that theory. So it's very,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's very strange. And where do we
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: land on her dad as the bad guy? Because, like
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I said earlier, it's like he was doing the least amount. Like,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: it definitely gets way scarier when the other guy takes over.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, is, because he, by the end, kind
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: of isn't the villain.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: Because you're fighting with some other guys by the end
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: for him to, you know, when we get into the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: big battles at the end there. Because it was midway
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: into that last part that I was like, wait, we
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: didn't even see the dad die, did we? So that's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: why he finally comes wandering up at the end. I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: was like, okay, I was right. We didn't see him
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: officially die. So I'm like, okay, so again, if he's
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: not really the villain, where is he on this spectrum?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: He's definitely a bad guy. We watched him kind of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: kill him and They set up this weird cult, but, like,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what to do with him by
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: the end of it. He's just kind of, like, I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: don't know. He's just a part of the problem, but
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: still not even our villain fully. So, yeah, it's all
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: hard to process.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 8: I feel like there was a lot of time spent, like,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 8: either setting up stories that they didn't go into or
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: just like building up really gory scenes with a lot
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: of like slow suspense, like, Oh no, he's not going
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: to do it.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Oh no.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: And that stuff works. Like there are times when I'm like,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't much like the old lady. I also did
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: not expect him to get the hand in the man.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I assumed he was going to fight his
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: way out and throw the other dude in there, but no,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: he lost 90% of that hand. Yeah. I'm like, that
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: sucks for you. Like, I didn't see that. So again,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: it does do stuff that's kind of unconventional for this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: type of movie and does it really well. Like most
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: of the, like you said, the suspense in those scenes
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: is really well put together. So it is working on
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: so many angles, but like, yeah, it's just not like 100%. Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: I just wish that, and the actors were so good
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: that it's like, I wish they were given more kind
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: of going into that background and more things that would
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 8: explain their motives and why they're in whatever mood they
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: are in.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: Um because even even thomas is like a weird hero
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: to get by like it's from the get-go like him
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: in that room is the guy's reading the letter he
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: has the look of crazy yeah that i'm just like
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: what is going on like who is that guy i'm
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: like Suddenly he's our hero, but I'm just like, he's
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: never like, other than his very pure, you know, I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: need to save my sister. Like other than that, there's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: so much about him. That's just kind of never really
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: ironed out as to like who he is. And like,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: we don't, again, we don't know anything about him and
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: his sister. We don't understand the relationship between him and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: the father. Like all of that is just kind of gone. And, like,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: we get him, like, his actions along the way, but
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: we never really get much more about him as a person.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: So he's hard to, like, totally get behind even as
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: a protagonist because he's just, like, he's the guy we're
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: spending the most time with. And, like, he's got, like,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: issues with religion for good reason. Things weren't going so
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: well on that side either. But, like, again, I feel
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: like we could have learned a little more about him
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: and kind of, again, he's a great actor. So giving
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: him a little more to, like, try to you know
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: put out there like just enrich this character a little
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: bit because i think it's a good performance but it
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: could have had more you know there's just more potential
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: that you know we could have gotten out of that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: character with a little more character development.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: Well and like we have all these questions and there
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: was that scene with the whole you saved me now
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: i trust you thing they could have covered so much
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: of like the founding of the cult and Malcolm's reasons
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: for starting this island civilization and like that whole weird
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 8: friendship or some sort of bond. Like they could have
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 8: just had one scene with that and it would have
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: answered so many more questions.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: It's funny. Cause I, as I went to read the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: description there, it also gave me the time. I didn't
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: even feel like it, it, is a longer running time
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: than I feel like it is. And I think it's
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: because we don't get any of those things. Like we don't.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: go down any of those roads we don't get the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: story really taken very far at all so it i
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: assumed as i watched it it was like 90 minutes
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: but like it's over two hours so like you think
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: because i'm like as you're saying that i'm like yeah
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: if we had like a 20 minute little segment where
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: we went into her and the father and like we
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: kind of learn more about our character and why the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: dad did what he did. And like, it would really
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: kind of enrich the story, but I'm like, I don't
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: need a two and a half hour version. So like,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: obviously you can trim down some of the, I don't know. Like, again,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: it's like, there wasn't excess stuff going on the opposite.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: It's like, we feel like we need more almost from
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  Speaker 4: everything across the board. So it's hard to decide how
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  Speaker 4: you would cut down the rest of it to put
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  Speaker 4: in more of story along the way. So it's, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's strange.
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  Speaker 8: They should have just stretched it out into like a
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  Speaker 8: three-part something.
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  Speaker 4: It's on Netflix. I guess it could have been a series.
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  Speaker 4: And here's a 12-hour version. That seems excessive maybe. So
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  Speaker 4: maybe a limited run.
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  Speaker 8: You have a whole episode about the flashbacks.
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  Speaker 4: Again, if you just sort of told the story on
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  Speaker 4: a grander scale, if we really did spend more time...
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  Speaker 4: We could have a whole episode of him on the
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  Speaker 4: train and a little bit of flashbacks and him learning
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  Speaker 4: what's going on. There is a way to do that
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  Speaker 4: where it's a longer tale that you're telling. We, I think,
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  Speaker 4: could have benefited from more story at least. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know that we needed it to be a series. I
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  Speaker 4: think you could do this in a movie, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't know. I was trying to think what else. The
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  Speaker 4: other main thing I was going to say, the music
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  Speaker 4: is really good. Like, it's very deliberate.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It starts off with your normal culty vocals of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it sounds like every cult movie that just people sort
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  Speaker 4: of chanting. But as we go along, it's like it's
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  Speaker 4: got these weird natural noises mixed in, these little pings
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  Speaker 4: and clangs that are almost like real world noises that
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  Speaker 4: they've just musically sort of timed into the process.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So that part is cool. But then when we get
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  Speaker 4: to the tense moments, it's like really ramped up and
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  Speaker 4: it's like, it's really, I think that's a good portion
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  Speaker 4: of why those tense ones work so well is because
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  Speaker 4: the music is so effective. But yeah, it's like points
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  Speaker 4: for the music. Cause all of that stuff seems like
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  Speaker 4: it's really, it's really well done.
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  Speaker 8: I would find myself like not even noticing how ramped
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  Speaker 8: up it was getting until the scene was over and
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  Speaker 8: you were like, Oh shit.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and then, yeah, I mean just the, to hit
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  Speaker 4: again on the good stuff like the visuals yeah mostly
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  Speaker 4: like and you see there's i i kind of could
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  Speaker 4: have used a little more i think he is a
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  Speaker 4: really impressive visual director and we get moments of it
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  Speaker 4: like again the train swooping in at the beginning is
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  Speaker 4: good the the burning cross scene is amazing like but
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  Speaker 4: we also get those the only thing he does that
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't seem like he he doesn't shy away from
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  Speaker 4: is the the turning of the camera, like when it
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  Speaker 4: matches the character. So, I mean, we get like that
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  Speaker 4: entire scene after Thomas is like laying on the floor
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  Speaker 4: that the camera is turned on its side and we
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  Speaker 4: see all of the actions from his point of view.
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  Speaker 4: So everything is sideways essentially, or when they carry him
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  Speaker 4: in and like the kid and he's upside down, the
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  Speaker 4: camera's flipped upside. So he doesn't seem to have a
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  Speaker 4: problem like manipulating the camera to match the character's point
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  Speaker 4: of view, which is kind of cool. But like the other,
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  Speaker 4: like there's only certain times when you really see him
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  Speaker 4: kind of like showing off at what a good visual
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  Speaker 4: director he is. And I'm like, for the other stuff
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  Speaker 4: we're missing, you could have kind of thrown some more
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  Speaker 4: of that in just to give it a little extra flair.
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  Speaker 4: Cause I'm like, yeah, the, the shots of him, like
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  Speaker 4: once the other guy takes over and we've got the,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: the Klansman behind him, but like the weird angle on
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  Speaker 4: the statue, like those are just framed so perfectly. And
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  Speaker 4: then the, Just all of that stuff when he has
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  Speaker 4: no problem just sort of like tilting the camera to
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  Speaker 4: put it at a weird angle. You know, it's like
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  Speaker 4: you don't, in a more conventional project, you don't get
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  Speaker 4: directors that want to do that stuff, that are like
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  Speaker 4: willing to do anything out of the ordinary, where he's
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  Speaker 4: okay with it, but I almost could have used a
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  Speaker 4: little more just to kind of like make the other
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  Speaker 4: stuff interesting. Because, yeah, it's like he's definitely got a
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  Speaker 4: great visual flair that I kind of want to see. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe it's just screenplay on this one.
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  Speaker 8: I think it is, because the acting was great, and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: it's really fun to watch, and there were definitely interesting visuals,
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  Speaker 8: not only from the way it's shot, but just the
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  Speaker 8: characters themselves, or the kind of creepy feeling of it.
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  Speaker 8: So definitely still worth a watch, especially if you like
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  Speaker 8: cult movies. But I could have just done with a
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: little bit more background.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to double-check the writing. Damn, he wrote it.
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  Speaker 4: He did? I was going to say, like, if you
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: wrote the raid and then not this one, it would
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: almost make sense. Because for as much action as is
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: going on in the raid, like, it is really well
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  Speaker 4: put together. And, like, we do follow our main character's
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  Speaker 4: story the whole way. And we kind of understand what's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: going on with all these different characters. So, like, yeah,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: that one seems to hold up a little better. This one, okay, yeah,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: he did write the raid. He's kind of written all
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: of his main projects, all of his films. He's also
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: a writer. So that's, yeah, that's really weird. You would
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: think he would focus more on the, you know, getting
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: that story ironed out beforehand if you're going to focus
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: so much on being a great visual director. And I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: don't know. It seems like it worked at least right.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: I may have to go back and watch the movies
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: before that. He's got a couple other ones, so I
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: want to see what else he does. But yeah. I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: don't know. I feel like that's the weak point in this.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: Because visually it's definitely interesting.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's got a lot to offer otherwise, but it leaves
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of questions. Agreed. Then we have to piece together.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe they'll make a prequel.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, boy.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: More prequel action. A reboot. That's what it'll get. Give
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: it about four years and it'll be time for a reboot.
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  Speaker 8: Now set in 1910.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, we've leapt forward in time so many years. Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 12: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Is there anything else to pass along?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 8: No. That's all my thoughts.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: Figure out what you think about religion as you're going
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: into this. Because I don't know if it's going to...
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: It probably won't sell you on religion. There's not a
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: lot of good points coming through from either version of
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: religion we see, but yeah, you kind of have to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: put the finishing touches on yourself because we don't really
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: get an answer. So just, I don't know. Don't, don't,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: don't lean on religion. That's, that's your takeaway.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 8: The lesson of the film.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 19: All right.
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  Speaker 4: I think that about does it. Thank you for joining
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: us this week. I'm sure you'll be back in the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: very near future. If our plans come together. Otherwise, that
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: about does it. We will return next time. Same geek feed.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks.
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  Speaker 11: Bye.
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  Speaker 5: Bye.
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  Speaker 15: I pray to your apostles every night.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 11: I pray help them.
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  Speaker 15: Guide me to your light. My love for you is strong, Jesus,
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  Speaker 15: I'll sing it all night long. I pray to your
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 15: apostles every night.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, St.
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  Speaker 4: Thomas, oh, St.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 7: John, may the Lord forgive his prodigal son. I've wandered
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 7: through the desert, out then upon the mountain. So why
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: am I filled with all this doubt?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 11: Oh, St. Peter, oh, St.
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  Speaker 7: Paul, lead me to him, help me not to fall.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: In a world full of sinners, I'm among the worst.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: Save me for the devil saves me first.
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  Speaker 15: I've read your apostles, I pray help them guide me
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  Speaker 15: to your light. I'm in love with.
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  Speaker 11: You and strong Jesus.
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  Speaker 15: I'll sing it all night long. I pray to your
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  Speaker 15: apostles every night.
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  Speaker 17: I pray to your apostles every night.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, St.
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  Speaker 11: Matthew, oh, St.
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  Speaker 17: Mark The road ahead seems so very.
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  Speaker 13: Dark Others tried and failed and have died all along.
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  Speaker 15: Please lead me on to his highest home. How pretty
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 15: are apostles every day.
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  Speaker 7: And i was just.
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  Speaker 17: Like i've never.
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  Speaker 4: Even heard of this like he knocks out he's getting
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: so many well he always has like ever since he
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: went into oh my god i'm gonna lose all my
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: money You heard that, right? There's a reason he started
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: making all those ridiculous movies. It's because he was in
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: so much debt. And he had like seven houses and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: a castle.
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