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Sharri | 28 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks, James.
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Speaker 2: Good evening.
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Speaker 3: Well, tonight, secret polling showing just how toxic Anthony Albanese
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Speaker 3: is in New South Wales, with the state even on
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Speaker 3: track for a one-nation premiere in six months' time. My
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Speaker 3: exclusive story coming up. Rates set to hit a 15-year
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Speaker 3: high tomorrow as Michael Stutchbury warns Australia risks becoming a
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Speaker 3: second-rate country.
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Speaker 2: He'll be here shortly.
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Speaker 3: The shocking sermon from an Islamic preacher calling on followers
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Speaker 3: to take up arms against Christians and Jews.
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Speaker 4: It is to.
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Speaker 5: Declare opposition indeed, to take up arms against his enemies,
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Speaker 5: to shun them.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to that exclusive footage in a moment. Plus
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Speaker 3: the mum obsessed with Lindsay Clancy, who has now allegedly
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Speaker 3: murdered her own child.
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Speaker 2: And in some.
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Speaker 3: Breaking news, Greens leader Larissa Waters has announced she's stepping down.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why shortly.
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Speaker 3: But first tonight, secret polling shows Anthony Albanese's popularity has
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Speaker 3: sunk to lower levels than any Prime Minister in recent history,
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Speaker 3: including Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd and Scott Morrison. The confidential
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party polling I've obtained shows Albanese's net favourability in
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Speaker 3: Labor-held seats in Sydney is as low as minus 72%
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Speaker 3: among men and minus 63% among women. Angus Taylor's is
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Speaker 3: higher at minus 20% among men and minus seven among women,
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Speaker 3: while Pauline Hanson is in favourable territory, between nine and 20%
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Speaker 3: across different parts of Sydney. Albanese's brand is so toxic
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Speaker 3: in New South Wales and One Nation is doing so
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Speaker 3: well that both Liberal and Labor operatives admit there's a
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Speaker 3: genuine prospect of a One Nation government at the New
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Speaker 3: South Wales election in six months' time. Premier Chris Minns
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Speaker 3: is in serious trouble, with sources describing One Nation as
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Speaker 3: a wrecking ball for both major parties. The polling comes
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Speaker 3: as a Liberal-aligned firm has conducted research that draws on
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Speaker 3: internal Liberal polling, along with swings in other state elections.
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Speaker 2: It predicts.
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Speaker 3: This is quite shocking. It predicts that One Nation would
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Speaker 3: win New South Wales government.
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Speaker 2: With 48 seats....
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Speaker 3: Labor would win 29 seats. The Liberals, just eight seats. Nationals,
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Speaker 3: no seats. They'd lose them all to One Nation. The Greens,
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Speaker 3: 13 seats. And Independents, five seats. So under this modelling, again,
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Speaker 3: by a Liberal-aligned firm, and I'm going to have the person...
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Speaker 3: who did it on the show tomorrow night, One Nation
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Speaker 3: would be forming government under this scenario and the One
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Speaker 3: Nation leader, Mike Newman, would be the Premier.
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Speaker 2: It would be a wipeout for the Nationals.
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Speaker 3: The Liberals would be demolished and Chris Minns would lose
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Speaker 3: 17 seats.
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Speaker 2: Now, to me, this does seem an exaggeration.
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Speaker 3: Other sources I've spoken to today expect Minns to lose
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Speaker 3: between six to seven seats. And keep in mind, though,
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Speaker 3: that he is currently in minority government. Now, Minns' two
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Speaker 3: opponents right now are Mike Newman and Anthony Albanese. Mike Newman, again,
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Speaker 3: being the One Nation's leader. Now, One Nation is drawing support,
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Speaker 3: but Albanese's toxic brand is costing Labor votes, costing Minns votes.
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Speaker 3: And it's clear that the Premier is concerned about One Nation,
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Speaker 3: given remarks he's made like this.
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Speaker 4: As it currently stands... The Liberal Party and the National
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Speaker 4: Party can only form government with One Nation. And what
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Speaker 4: will that policy view and this leader mean for the
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Speaker 4: state of New South Wales if it's got significant power
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Speaker 4: in our political institutions inside our government? A coalition, a
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Speaker 4: Frankenstein's monster of Liberal, National and One Nation.
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Speaker 2: Frankenstein's monster. Well, that's Chris Minn's warning.
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Speaker 3: But it puts the election firmly in play for Mike
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Speaker 3: Newman or Kelly Sloan, should they form an alliance. Now,
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Speaker 3: unlike at a federal level where there is some animosity
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Speaker 3: between Angus Taylor and Pauline Hanson, unlike that, Kelly Sloan
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Speaker 3: and Mike Newman are on good terms. They're in personal contact.
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Speaker 3: She doesn't consider him her enemy. They both know the
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Speaker 3: likely scenario is they can't hope to become Premier without
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Speaker 3: each other. However, I'm told this isn't a view shared
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Speaker 3: by all of Kelly Sloan's colleagues.
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Speaker 2: Some would rather support Chris Minns than One Nation. But
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Speaker 2: it's Mike Newman that's getting under Labor's skin.
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Speaker 3: And Mike Newman claims that he was mentioned some 46
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Speaker 3: times in New South Wales Parliament last week, even though
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Speaker 3: One Nation has no current sitting MPs.
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Speaker 2: Here's a couple of examples.
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Speaker 4: Concerned that One Nation is so flippant about Aussie.
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Speaker 2: Jobs in the Hunter.
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Speaker 6: While we're getting on with that work, One Nation and
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Speaker 6: Mike Newman are going in the other direction. One Nation
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Speaker 6: is not going to give our communities the certainty they need.
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Speaker 3: Now Newman is running in the state seat of Cessnock
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Speaker 3: and is expected to win it.
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Speaker 2: But it's a safe Labor seat. This is what's extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: It's on a margin of 23%.
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Speaker 3: Now polling indicates that Newman's primary vote is In the Hunter,
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Speaker 3: in Cessnock is in the low 40s. Minns has visited
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Speaker 3: the Hunter region some 11 times this year.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just the Hunter.
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Speaker 3: Minns is facing a resurgent One Nation across southern Sydney
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Speaker 3: and outer suburban areas like Penrith, Camden and Heathcote. And
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson is understood to have around 20% net favourability
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Speaker 3: in Steve Camper's Rockdale electorate. showing that she's even popular
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Speaker 3: among migrant families. A major reason voters are turning away
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Speaker 3: from Minns is, yes, because Albanese is toxic. There's palpable
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Speaker 3: anger at the Labor brand, thanks to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: It's why Minns is also coming out against Albanese on
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Speaker 3: many different policy areas. The tobacco excise, the budget, even
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Speaker 3: the anti-Semitism crisis.
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Speaker 1: Do you still remain for.
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Speaker 7: A cut to the tobacco excise?
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It's not working.
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Speaker 4: New South Wales will receive $ 344 per person, which is
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Speaker 4: less than half than they'll be receiving in Victoria. Now,
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Speaker 4: that's not fair and that's not equitable and there needs
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Speaker 4: to be an urgent agreement between the federal and the
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Speaker 4: state governments on infrastructure spending in New South Wales. There
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Speaker 4: was a rising tide of hatred towards the Jewish community
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Speaker 4: in the years before that day in Bondi on December
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Speaker 4: the 14th.
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Speaker 8: We disagree on a fair bit.
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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. Again, I'm always going to
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Speaker 4: fight my corner and my responsibilities are different to his.
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Speaker 4: I have to stick up for New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: Now, New South Wales doesn't have a preferential voting system,
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Speaker 3: meaning that voters don't need to select preferences. And this
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Speaker 3: is the first genuine three political party contest.
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Speaker 2: And it's very difficult to poll.
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Speaker 3: Liberals say Kelly Sloan could either be the premier with
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Speaker 3: One Nation support or could completely be demolished. And both
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Speaker 3: are very real scenarios. One source told me today, it's
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Speaker 3: anyone's game. The landscape is unlike any state election in
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Speaker 3: decades or more.
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Speaker 2: And one source.
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Speaker 3: Involved in the research said that Chris Minns was far
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Speaker 3: more popular with women than with men. They said One
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Speaker 3: Nation will be a wrecking ball through both Labor and
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Speaker 3: the Coalition, starting with poor Chris Minns. Apparently, he thought
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Speaker 3: they were going to pick up seats in the Sutherland Shire,
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Speaker 3: but they've shrunk to below 20% primary.
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Speaker 2: One Nation are surging.
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Speaker 3: This is despite controversies impacting several One Nation candidates.
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Speaker 2: But it seems voters look through.
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Speaker 3: The scandals and see authenticity and underlying conviction. It's similar
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Speaker 3: to voter attitudes towards President Trump. Now, the drivers to
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Speaker 3: One Nation are radical extremism, migration and cost of living.
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Speaker 3: But overdevelopment, law and order, crime and even the pro-Palestinian
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Speaker 3: protests are also issues at a state level in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales. The research shows no one cares about climate
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Speaker 3: change anymore. When voters can't afford to pay their grocery
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Speaker 3: bills and the mortgage, they're not as interested in saving
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Speaker 3: the planet. News poll today also confirms that One Nation's
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Speaker 3: rise is costing Labor, the Coalition, the Independents and the
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Speaker 3: minor parties.
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Speaker 2: And Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 3: Is now the preferred Prime Minister in Queensland, according to Newspoll,
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Speaker 3: with political editor Geoff Chambers writing that support for Albanese
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Speaker 3: in Queensland was fading by November last year and fell
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Speaker 3: off a cliff following Australia's worst terrorist attack at Bondi
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Speaker 3: Beach on December 14. And editor-at-large Paul Kelly suggests the
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Speaker 3: next federal election will be one of the most polarising
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Speaker 3: and ideological contests Victoria and New South Wales are the
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Speaker 3: first tests to come. Victorian opposition leader Jess Wilson is
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Speaker 3: said to be in a very strong position and is
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Speaker 3: likely to be the next Premier. But Liberal operatives believe
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Speaker 3: One Nation could be set to win government in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales at the state election in less than six months.
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Speaker 3: Because this is the state where support for One Nation
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Speaker 3: is the strongest. I'll come back to that a bit
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Speaker 3: later with Ray Hadley. But let's turn now to this
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Speaker 3: shocking revelation about a Melbourne hate preacher. Journalist Paul Sakal
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Speaker 3: has reported exclusively that an associate of a notorious Islamic
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Speaker 3: preacher linked to the Bondi shooters has called on followers
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Speaker 3: to take up arms against Christians and Jews. So just
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Speaker 3: 10 months after Bondi, an Islamic preacher in Melbourne has
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Speaker 3: called on his followers to take up arms. Now, this preacher,
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Speaker 3: Abu Ahmed, is at the Al-Bayana Islamic Centre. It's reportedly
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Speaker 3: supported by the extremist Wissam Haddad. Now, Paul Sakal very
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Speaker 3: kindly has given me the clip of this preacher to
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Speaker 3: play on air tonight.
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Speaker 2: No one's seen it before. Have a look at this footage.
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Speaker 5: It is to declare opposition in deed, to take up
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Speaker 5: arms against his enemies, to shun them, and to stay
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Speaker 5: far from them both in word and deed. This proves
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Speaker 5: that simple opposition of the spirit is not enough, and
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Speaker 5: that it must be complete by honoring of your commitment.
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Speaker 5: O you who believe, do not take the Jews and
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Speaker 5: the Christians for friends. They are friends of one another,
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Speaker 5: and whoever of you takes them for friends is one
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Speaker 5: of them. Surely Allah does not guide wrongdoing people.
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Speaker 3: Look, a very clear call to take up arms in
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Speaker 3: a sermon in July. As Paul writes, this will raise
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Speaker 3: questions about why hate preachers can still call for violence
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Speaker 3: against Jews and Christians from their unofficial pulpits. I mean,
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Speaker 3: to me, it's unfathomable that authorities have not taken any
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Speaker 3: action against any of these hate preachers since violent anti-Semitism
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Speaker 3: exploded after October 7th. Back at our anti-Semitism summit, we
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Speaker 3: called for action on hate preachers. Neither the Albanese government
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Speaker 3: nor federal or state law enforcement have taken the issue
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Speaker 3: of Islamic extremism seriously enough, despite the deteriorating security environment.
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Speaker 3: It's unacceptable that these radical Islamic centres are still operating,
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Speaker 3: giving preachers a platform to spout hateful views against fellow Australians.
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Speaker 3: And you hear hardly a word from Albanese government ministers
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Speaker 3: who run scared of offending Muslim voters. This is serious
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Speaker 3: and it's about time action is taken against hate preachers. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's get now to today's economic figures, the final budget outcome.
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Speaker 3: It's shaved $ 6 billion from the deficit. But there's a
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Speaker 3: reason for this. Spending and taxes are both up. With
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers on the brink of becoming the highest-taxing Treasurer
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Speaker 3: in history, here he was today.
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Speaker 9: When it comes to spending, spending is down in nominal
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Speaker 9: terms in the FBO. It came down by $ 1. 4 billion,
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Speaker 9: as Katie mentioned, pointed out, and as I pointed out.
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Speaker 9: So spending is down in the FBO.
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Speaker 3: It's down on forecast, but still up on the year before.
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Speaker 3: And for more on this, joining me now is Executive
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Speaker 3: Director for the Centre for Independent Studies, Michael Stutchbury.
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Speaker 2: Stutch, great to see you again.
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Speaker 3: What did you think of the figures today and then
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Speaker 3: the Treasurer's spin on it?
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Speaker 10: Well, I think this final budget outcome document, FBO, I
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Speaker 10: can't recall much attention being given to this basic document before.
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Speaker 10: It's really what says the budget came down in May
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Speaker 10: for really the next financial year. And for the financial year,
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Speaker 10: it just ended in the end of June. So it's
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Speaker 10: only a couple of months. It's comparing what they forecast
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Speaker 10: in May to the final outcome. So it doesn't really
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Speaker 10: move around, doesn't really.
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Speaker 1: Tell you a lot.
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Speaker 10: But what I think what's needed there is that the
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Speaker 10: Treasurer was looking for something that would be seen to
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Speaker 10: be a good figure because, as we'll get on to,
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Speaker 10: he's got some bad news coming Tuesday and Wednesday of
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Speaker 10: this week, and he wanted something to come out and say, well,
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Speaker 10: it's not all bad. And look here, I've got, compared
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Speaker 10: to what we thought in May, the budget deficit is
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Speaker 10: $ 6 billion less, $ 22 billion rather than $ 28 billion. And
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Speaker 10: that is, on the face of it, that's better than
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Speaker 10: going up.
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Speaker 2: By $ 6 billion. Sure, but because they're taxing us all more, right?
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Speaker 10: Yes, I think when you get down to the figures,
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Speaker 10: it doesn't look as unalloyed good in that it's large,
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Speaker 10: most of it, most of the $ 6 billion deficit does
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Speaker 10: come from a higher tax take. And then when you
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Speaker 10: peel away into that as well, that comes from largely
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Speaker 10: higher taxes on super and investment, people's investments, with some,
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Speaker 10: when you look into the figures, on basic wages and salaries. Now,
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Speaker 10: the Treasurer wants to make a point about that, that, oh,
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Speaker 10: this is not increased taxes on wage and salary earners,
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Speaker 10: it's on superannuation. And then some quickly make the point, well,
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Speaker 10: wait a minute, the workers' superannuation is their wages.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 10: It's the earnings on their wages that they've been required
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Speaker 10: to put away for their... So I think that gets
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Speaker 10: to the... So perhaps the artificial distinction between wage earners and,
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Speaker 10: if you like, capitalists, in that, you know, with superannuation now,
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Speaker 10: and this is a good thing that wage earners have big...
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Speaker 10: retirement incomes, and so they're earning it. So they should want,
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Speaker 10: you know, the stock market and the investments to do well.
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Speaker 10: But the Treasurer in Labor has wanted to make this
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Speaker 10: big distinction between workers and he wants to give them
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Speaker 10: some bracket creep back on taxes, you know, a bit
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Speaker 10: of return, some of that bracket creep, and increase the
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Speaker 10: taxes on capital, on people who do investments. That's really
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Speaker 10: the game he's at because he needs.
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Speaker 2: It's very ideological, isn't it? Well, I think it's a political,
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Speaker 2: ideological thing.
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Speaker 10: He wants to increase... He needs to increase taxes overall.
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Speaker 10: As they say, the Treasury says the revenue's got to
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Speaker 10: come from somewhere. They've got a big deficit. They're spending more.
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Speaker 10: Spending's still increasing in real terms. So the government's getting bigger.
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Speaker 10: Deficit won't... They can't get rid of the deficit, so
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Speaker 10: he needs to increase taxes. Same time he wants to
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Speaker 10: say he's giving a tax cut to workers, so he's
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Speaker 10: got to increase it. on capital so you get property
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Speaker 10: investors has been the latest.
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Speaker 3: And just on your point about spending, you know, that's
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Speaker 3: really contributing to the sticky inflation.
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Speaker 2: But you don't hear that admission from the government, of course.
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Speaker 10: No, I think there was, you know, and this, again,
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Speaker 10: this difference between what was forecast in May and June
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Speaker 10: doesn't matter perhaps a whole lot. But overall, real spending
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Speaker 10: in the last financial year, 25, 26 ended at the
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Speaker 10: end of June. has gone up by 4.3%. That's bigger
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Speaker 10: growth in government spending, federal government spending, than the growth
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Speaker 10: in the size of the economy. So as a result
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Speaker 10: of this, spending, the size of the government, as a
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Speaker 10: percentage of the overall economy, has gone up. And it's
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Speaker 10: gone up in the last three years. Government is getting
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Speaker 10: bigger as the size of the economy. And that's basically
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Speaker 10: largely a lot of it's low productivity spending in the
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Speaker 10: care economy, in the NDIS, if you like. And so
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Speaker 10: that's dragging down the overall productivity numbers and it's making
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Speaker 10: it harder to get, for example, the workers to get
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Speaker 10: wage increases.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the bloated public service, of course.
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Speaker 3: I want to turn to the rate rise that we're
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Speaker 3: expecting tomorrow. Most economists, the market, have basically factored in
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Speaker 3: the rate rise and Michelle Bullock's done nothing to dissuade
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Speaker 3: us from the suggestion that there will be a rate
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Speaker 3: rise expected to go up from 4.35%, the cash rate,
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Speaker 3: to 4.6%.
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Speaker 2: Now, Stach, this would see rates.
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Speaker 3: Hit a 15-year high, the highest since 2011.
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Speaker 10: Yes, like this time last year, the government was sort
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Speaker 10: of suggesting that rates would be significantly lower because inflation
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Speaker 10: was going to come down and the Reserve Bank would
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Speaker 10: be able to lower interest rates because inflation would be
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Speaker 10: under control. Unfortunately, I think they all went off too early.
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Speaker 10: The government had been whacking the Reserve Bank over the head,
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Speaker 10: trying to sort of browbeat them into cutting rates, whether
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Speaker 10: or not that was the reason the Reserve Bank cut
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Speaker 10: interest rates last year. And then beginning of this year,
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Speaker 10: they realised, whoops, that's pumped the economy up a bit
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Speaker 10: too much. Spending overall, especially when you've got the government spending,
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Speaker 10: is going beyond the capacity of the economy to produce
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Speaker 10: the goods and services before you get inflation. they've had
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Speaker 10: to jack up interest rates three times this year. This
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Speaker 10: will be the fourth time that they really now are
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Speaker 10: getting a bit sort of insistent.
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Speaker 1: All the big guns of the reserve banks.
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Speaker 2: It might not be the last time.
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Speaker 10: Quite likely, I think, you'll get another one out of
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Speaker 10: all this. And so you'll get rates going. This is
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Speaker 10: the highest since really the mining boom, the end of
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Speaker 10: the mining boom in the 2000s, when the economy was
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Speaker 10: really pumped up as well. So you've got inflation now
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Speaker 10: they'll get some bad numbers on Wednesday from the petrol prices,
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Speaker 10: which will push the headline CPI number up again.
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Speaker 2: I want to get to your piece.
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Speaker 3: I might get to it first and then ask you
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Speaker 3: about Warren Hogan's prediction on the recession. You wrote this
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Speaker 3: brilliant piece in the Fin Review about our economic outlook,
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Speaker 3: and you say that, you know, with the bigger government,
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Speaker 3: higher taxes, more expensive energy, more regulated workplaces, all of
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Speaker 3: which you've just been speaking about now, but you're basically
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Speaker 3: saying It closes off natural growth.
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Speaker 2: Options, which will make Australia second rate again.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, I pinched the number.
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Speaker 10: From Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club the other day,
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Speaker 10: and he made the point. And I think quite a
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Speaker 10: few others on the Labor side, if you like, Bill Kelty,
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Speaker 10: Paul Keating says taxes need to come down a lot more.
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Speaker 10: If you have this combination of policies, bigger government, higher taxes,
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Speaker 10: higher energy costs, and you re-regulate the job market, when
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Speaker 10: you need more flexibility to deal with, say, AI, where
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Speaker 10: you're going to get all this productivity growth, apparently, it's
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Speaker 10: pretty predictable what's going to happen. Productivity is going to
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Speaker 10: be weak, as what we've seen, which means the economy
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Speaker 10: can only grow by 2%, even if you assume that
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Speaker 10: productivity will bounce back. This was this intergenerational report.
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Speaker 1: From last week.
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Speaker 10: Even if you assume that productivity bounces back, that's still
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Speaker 10: a very weak, low-growth economy. European-style welfare state outlook for
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Speaker 10: the next 40 years.
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Speaker 1: Australia should do better than that.
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Speaker 10: We should be growing at 3% to 4% a year,
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Speaker 10: not just 2% a year.
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Speaker 3: When you look at the capital gains tax changes and
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Speaker 3: business investment, I mean, I'd argue we already now are
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Speaker 3: a second-rate country when it comes to businesses looking where
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Speaker 3: to invest and where to have a start-up.
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Speaker 2: Very quickly, because we've got to.
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Speaker 3: Go, I heard Warren Hogan say on the Business Now
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Speaker 3: program earlier with Ed Boyd that he thinks there's a
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Speaker 3: 50-50 chance we go into a technical recession.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think we are getting to the stage of
21:07
Speaker 10: the narrow path that the Reserve Bank talked about, where
21:09
Speaker 10: you get inflation down without getting unemployment up. Michelle Bullock
21:12
Speaker 10: has talked about unemployment might have to go up to 5%,
21:14
Speaker 10: you know, rather from 4.5% to 5%. I think there's
21:18
Speaker 10: a reasonable chance you'll get, you know, a technical-type recession
21:22
Speaker 10: in it. It's short of the old-fashioned, you know, fair
21:25
Speaker 10: dinkum one where unemployment jumps up to 10% or something.
21:29
Speaker 10: But I think there is a reasonable chance of that now.
21:31
Speaker 2: All right. Stach, thank you so much for your time.
21:33
Speaker 6: Thanks, Gary.
21:33
Speaker 11: Appreciate it.
21:35
Speaker 3: All right, let's turn to this story. It's made major
21:38
Speaker 3: news around the world today. A suspected bomb plot in
21:41
Speaker 3: the UK targeting a Royal Air Force base used by
21:45
Speaker 3: the United States. The major attack was only foiled when
21:48
Speaker 3: a farmer returning home in the middle of the night
21:51
Speaker 3: found the road blocked by three abandoned vans. Then he
21:55
Speaker 3: spotted masked men running towards the base. Five have now
22:00
Speaker 3: been arrested and British counter-terrorism police are investigating. And here's
22:04
Speaker 3: President Trump speaking about the arrests.
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Speaker 1: The arrest in the UK was fantastic. Working with Britain,
22:12
Speaker 1: it was an amazing job.
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Speaker 12: We had them under investigation.
22:17
Speaker 1: They were looking to do big damage to our port.
22:21
Speaker 1: And working with the British worked out great. Were they migrants?
22:24
Speaker 2: It may have been Scotland Yard. I don't know.
22:26
Speaker 1: We worked with a lot of them. We had them
22:28
Speaker 1: under view for a long time and we got them.
22:32
Speaker 3: And joining me now is former Labor MP Michael Damby
22:35
Speaker 3: and former Speaker of the House Bronwyn Bishop.
22:37
Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
22:39
Speaker 3: And Bronwyn, this just shows terrorism is now a major
22:42
Speaker 3: threat globally.
22:43
Speaker 1: Well, of course it is. Of course it is.
22:46
Speaker 11: And the real hero is the farmer who saw it there.
22:48
Speaker 11: A lot of people claiming that they were really in
22:51
Speaker 11: on it, including President Trump, but I suspect a lot
22:55
Speaker 11: of luck was involved in this particular incident. And I
22:59
Speaker 11: think we just have to be prepared to understand that
23:03
Speaker 11: right from the time of the invasion of Israel and
23:07
Speaker 11: the murder of the 1,200 people, right from that moment,
23:13
Speaker 11: there have been Israeli or there have been Iranian groups
23:17
Speaker 11: all around the world who have been ready and willing
23:20
Speaker 11: and able to have terrorist activities. So I think we
23:26
Speaker 11: can expect more of it, not less of it.
23:28
Speaker 3: And, of course, they are investigating whether there is an
23:31
Speaker 3: Iranian link to this.
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Speaker 2: They don't know for sure yet.
23:33
Speaker 11: But they won't tell, will they?
23:34
Speaker 1: Well, well.
23:36
Speaker 3: Hopefully it will be reported, at least out of the US,
23:38
Speaker 3: if that is the case. Michael, terrorism is a major threat,
23:43
Speaker 3: but it doesn't seem like the Albanese government or law enforcement,
23:46
Speaker 3: I have to say, is taking seriously enough the issue
23:50
Speaker 3: of hate preachers. You know, just drawing back to that
23:53
Speaker 3: Paul Sakal story from a moment ago.
23:55
Speaker 13: Great story by Paul Sakal. Frightening that the bloke who
24:01
Speaker 13: was the ideological mentor of the Bondi community alleged killers,
24:08
Speaker 13: that he's got a branch office down here in Melbourne
24:11
Speaker 13: and preaching the same kind of extremist rubbish to young
24:16
Speaker 13: Islamic men here in Victoria. We don't need this. I
24:19
Speaker 13: wonder what the state police and ASIO and the AFP
24:22
Speaker 13: are doing about it. Maybe we'll have another incident in
24:27
Speaker 13: Victoria like he had with the burning down of the
24:29
Speaker 13: Adas synagogue. To relate it back to the and what
24:34
Speaker 13: happened in England, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards financed the attack
24:40
Speaker 13: and arson of that synagogue that you visited, Shari. So,
24:44
Speaker 13: you know, they could be doing it again. They could
24:46
Speaker 13: use the people that are excited by this crazed preacher
24:51
Speaker 13: in Melbourne from the branch office in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a scary thing.
24:55
Speaker 3: Some of the people they use are ideologically aligned, but
24:59
Speaker 3: others are just criminals they pay.
25:01
Speaker 2: So it.
25:03
Speaker 3: Look, there's a lot to be worried about with our
25:05
Speaker 3: security environment at the moment. Look, I spoke at the
25:08
Speaker 3: start of the show about a news poll today showing
25:11
Speaker 3: a majority of Queensland voters would prefer Pauline Hanson as
25:15
Speaker 3: Prime Minister over Anthony Albanese. Now, Pauline's home state is Queensland,
25:21
Speaker 3: so you'd expect her to have an advantage there.
25:24
Speaker 2: But, you know, looking at the picture across the country,
25:27
Speaker 2: it's quite extraordinary.
25:29
Speaker 11: Well, what has happened is... is that there is a
25:32
Speaker 11: surging feeling that they don't care who wins as long
25:36
Speaker 11: as it's not Albanese. There is a real feeling right
25:39
Speaker 11: across the country in all walks of life that they
25:43
Speaker 11: want him gone.
25:44
Speaker 3: But don't you think it is that there's support for
25:46
Speaker 3: her because they're not turning to the Liberals?
25:49
Speaker 11: No, there is support for her. And there's support for
25:51
Speaker 11: her because she's been outspoken. She hasn't changed over the years.
25:57
Speaker 11: She's consistent. And the more they attack her, the more
26:01
Speaker 11: they say, oh, they would do that, wouldn't they? And
26:04
Speaker 11: they're prepared to stick with her. And I've said again
26:07
Speaker 11: and again right from the beginning, there has to be
26:10
Speaker 11: an accommodation between the Liberals and the Nationals and One Nation.
26:16
Speaker 1: You have.
26:16
Speaker 3: You have been literally saying that right from the start.
26:20
Speaker 3: Although others on the Liberal Party say that if such
26:23
Speaker 3: an alliance would be public, it just gives voters permission,
26:27
Speaker 3: you know, permission, so to speak, to support One Nation
26:30
Speaker 3: and then the Liberals would lose all their support, would
26:33
Speaker 3: fall away.
26:34
Speaker 11: In politics, you can be much smarter than that. And
26:38
Speaker 11: the bottom line message has to be that Labor, Greens
26:43
Speaker 11: and Teals last.
26:45
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
26:47
Speaker 3: Michael, in your home state of Victoria, that is where
26:51
Speaker 3: One Nation is, you know, has the least amount of support.
26:55
Speaker 3: It is a more progressive state traditionally. But it does
26:58
Speaker 3: look like Jess Wilson will most likely, either outright or
27:03
Speaker 3: with preferences from One Nation, win the Victorian election in
27:06
Speaker 3: just a couple of months' time.
27:08
Speaker 1: Less, really.
27:09
Speaker 13: I think that's correct, Shari. I think Jess Wilson will
27:13
Speaker 13: get many One Nation preferences. And Because it's not optional
27:19
Speaker 13: preferential here, there's going to be a big change in
27:22
Speaker 13: the upper house where tickets for these fringe parties won't
27:26
Speaker 13: be distributed automatically as their ticket would have. But I
27:30
Speaker 13: think Jess Wilson's strong. But what I am worried about
27:34
Speaker 13: is what you raised earlier, and that is Chris Minns.
27:38
Speaker 13: It could be because of the optional preferential system in
27:41
Speaker 13: New South Wales that a candidate with 35% of the vote.
27:46
Speaker 13: Could become Premier and the two others polling behind him,
27:51
Speaker 13: not getting many preferences from each other, wouldn't be elected.
27:54
Speaker 13: It would be a situation like in the UK where
27:57
Speaker 13: British Labor was elected with barely 35% of the vote
28:01
Speaker 13: and got 400 seats of the 600. So optional preferential
28:07
Speaker 13: with three parties running practically equally in the opinion polls
28:12
Speaker 13: is a huge bomb that's about to go off.
28:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would be fascinating.
28:18
Speaker 3: All right, I want to turn to this topic before
28:20
Speaker 3: we have to go to the break.
28:22
Speaker 2: Israel has publicly called out Foreign.
28:25
Speaker 3: Minister Penny Wong for false claims she made at the
28:27
Speaker 3: United Nations.
28:28
Speaker 2: Have a look.
28:30
Speaker 6: In the West Bank, the situation is worsening. In the
28:32
Speaker 6: first six months of this year alone, settler violence has
28:35
Speaker 6: driven more than 15,000 children from their homes.
28:39
Speaker 3: Now, the country's foreign ministry, Israel's foreign ministry, posted from
28:43
Speaker 3: where and from whom? Did Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong
28:47
Speaker 3: get this blatant lie? Michael, just sticking with you, they
28:52
Speaker 3: were right to call her out.
28:53
Speaker 1: Of course.
28:53
Speaker 13: 100% they were. I think she's used the Save the
28:58
Speaker 13: Children's statistics of 1,050 that they issued a few days
29:04
Speaker 13: ago and misread it. But how infamous is it, Bronwyn
29:08
Speaker 13: and Shari, for the foreign minister of a serious country
29:11
Speaker 13: like Australia to read false statistics against Israel into the
29:16
Speaker 13: United Nations record, as if the Israelis don't have enough
29:20
Speaker 13: people beating up on them. Shame on you, Penny Wong.
29:23
Speaker 11: I'm not at all surprised. Lie is what they do
29:27
Speaker 11: all the time.
29:29
Speaker 3: Bronwyn, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu's speech was very... He basically
29:36
Speaker 3: called out the cowards who walked out when he started speaking.
29:39
Speaker 2: They wouldn't even listen to him.
29:41
Speaker 11: His speech was quite sensational. I mean, the story about
29:45
Speaker 11: the real fight to stay as a country, to have
29:52
Speaker 11: somewhere to call home, was, I think, quite inspirational for
29:56
Speaker 11: a lot to hear. The story about and Tebby, the
30:01
Speaker 11: story about his brother, we have to win. There were
30:05
Speaker 11: so many issues in that speech that came, I think,
30:10
Speaker 11: a cry from the heart of the people of Israel
30:14
Speaker 11: who have nowhere else to go.
30:17
Speaker 3: Look, it's so hard correcting all of the falsehoods, the inaccuracies,
30:21
Speaker 3: the lies, the propaganda that gets platformed at the United Nations.
30:26
Speaker 11: Yeah, but the thing that makes me so angry about
30:28
Speaker 11: it is is that right from the time of that
30:31
Speaker 11: murder of the 1200, there wasn't, in my humble view,
30:36
Speaker 11: enough emphasis put on detailing just how horrible it was
30:40
Speaker 11: because people shied away.
30:42
Speaker 1: It was horrendous.
30:43
Speaker 11: You know how horrendous it was.
30:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know.
30:45
Speaker 11: And that meant that they had these cells all around
30:49
Speaker 11: the world who then broke out before they responded at all.
30:53
Speaker 11: And they were the ones who set up the war
30:56
Speaker 11: that has become a propaganda war Which they have been prosecuting.
31:00
Speaker 2: And the third anniversary next week.
31:02
Speaker 4: Yes.
31:02
Speaker 2: Michael Danby, Bronwyn Bishop, thank you very much. And Bronwyn,
31:05
Speaker 2: I love the pink. You look beautiful.
31:06
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right.
31:09
Speaker 3: Coming up, the Albanese government's plans to use bot accounts
31:13
Speaker 3: to censor the internet. And I'm going to ask Ray
31:15
Speaker 3: Hadley whether he thinks One Nation could knock off critsmins
31:20
Speaker 3: in New South Wales.
31:20
Speaker 2: That's after the break. Welcome back.
31:26
Speaker 3: And in breaking news now, Greens leader Larissa Walters has
31:30
Speaker 3: announced tonight that she is stepping down as Greens leader.
31:33
Speaker 3: She's released a statement where she says that for some
31:36
Speaker 3: time she's been quietly managing chronic kidney disease alongside the
31:41
Speaker 3: work she loves. But recently it's taken a downturn and
31:44
Speaker 3: she needs to be honest with herself. about not being invincible.
31:48
Speaker 3: Joining me now for this and more, radio legend Ray Hadley. Ray,
31:52
Speaker 3: she says her prospects are good, but she does need
31:55
Speaker 3: a slower.
31:56
Speaker 2: Pace of life.
31:57
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, this is where political divides go out
31:59
Speaker 8: the window when you're talking about someone's health, particularly a
32:02
Speaker 8: serious illness like kidney disease. So to you, Larissa, all
32:06
Speaker 8: the very best to you and your family in the future.
32:08
Speaker 8: It's not good news for you.
32:09
Speaker 2: No, indeed.
32:10
Speaker 1: All right.
32:11
Speaker 3: Let's return to the top story tonight, my editorial at
32:14
Speaker 3: the start of the show, that this secret polling showing
32:17
Speaker 3: Albanese is toxic, it's dragging down men's vote to the
32:21
Speaker 3: extent that we could see this Mike Newman become One
32:25
Speaker 3: Nation Premier.
32:26
Speaker 8: Well, you see, I listened to Bronwyn talk about the
32:29
Speaker 8: people she talks to, and it's no surprise to me,
32:32
Speaker 8: we have mentioned many times that Pauline, whatever she does,
32:37
Speaker 8: she doesn't lose support.
32:39
Speaker 1: She's had a few dips. A few ups, a few downs.
32:42
Speaker 1: But through the course.
32:43
Speaker 8: Of a week, even though, you know, I'm not working
32:45
Speaker 8: full time, I talk to people in big business, medium business,
32:49
Speaker 8: sole traders, tradies.
32:50
Speaker 1: I talk to a lot of tradies. I talk to retailers.
32:53
Speaker 1: I talk to the bloke at the coffee shop. I
32:54
Speaker 1: talk to my mate Wayne the Butcher.
32:56
Speaker 2: You're just talking all day long, Ray.
32:58
Speaker 1: Exactly.
32:59
Speaker 8: I love talking to people. They've had a gutful of
33:02
Speaker 8: the Albanese government. So I'm not surprised people are turning
33:06
Speaker 8: to an alternative in New South Wales.
33:08
Speaker 1: Now, Chris Minns.
33:10
Speaker 8: I think he's a reasonable Premier, he's a good fella,
33:13
Speaker 8: but I think he's being tainted by association. The sort
33:19
Speaker 8: of battle we're facing federally is reflecting on what he's
33:22
Speaker 8: doing as a State Premier. And it wouldn't matter how
33:24
Speaker 8: good a State Premier he is, the reflection is that
33:27
Speaker 8: he's attached.
33:28
Speaker 1: In some way, shape or form to the Federal Government
33:29
Speaker 1: near the Albanese.
33:30
Speaker 2: Well, they don't want to support the Labor Party.
33:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So, you know, it's a flow-on effect.
33:35
Speaker 8: It means, and I guess other people in other states,
33:38
Speaker 8: including the Queensland Labor Party as well.
33:41
Speaker 3: And you can understand why Albanese is so toxic. Every
33:45
Speaker 3: single issue they touch seems to be mishandled. Ray, you
33:49
Speaker 3: drew my attention to remarks that Defence Minister Richard Miles,
33:52
Speaker 3: also the Deputy Prime Minister, made on the weekend. He
33:55
Speaker 3: was asked about this issue of the Victoria barracks, their
33:59
Speaker 3: plans to sell it off.
34:01
Speaker 2: And look, he basically said he's going to proceed with it.
34:04
Speaker 2: He doesn't care.
34:05
Speaker 3: If we've got the grab, let's have a look at
34:06
Speaker 3: what he said.
34:08
Speaker 7: It is not my priority for Defence to be a
34:10
Speaker 7: heritage organisation. It's not my priority to see Defence manage
34:14
Speaker 7: the oldest wine cellar in Australia. It's nice that it's
34:16
Speaker 7: a Victoria barrack, Sydney, but it's not core interest in
34:19
Speaker 7: terms of defending the country.
34:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty disrespectful.
34:23
Speaker 8: Well, I spoke to Andrew Clunell on the way here
34:26
Speaker 8: because Andrew conducted the interview, and he's one of the
34:28
Speaker 8: good operators.
34:29
Speaker 1: He's a top operator.
34:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, he is.
34:30
Speaker 8: So he said to me, in reference to one quote,
34:34
Speaker 8: he was shocked. What he said was, a few former
34:37
Speaker 8: generals who like hanging out there are lamenting this. This
34:42
Speaker 8: is the Defence Minister talking about retired... personnel who reached
34:47
Speaker 8: the lofty heights of general status. I mean, how does
34:50
Speaker 8: a defence minister denigrate generals, retired or not, who say, no,
34:55
Speaker 8: this is part of our colonial history, it's part of
34:57
Speaker 8: our defence force history, and it's not just, of course,
35:00
Speaker 8: Victoria Barracks being sold. There's a whole range of army
35:03
Speaker 8: facilities that are being sold, or defence facilities.
35:05
Speaker 2: Across the country.
35:06
Speaker 8: Across the country. But this is part of our fabric.
35:10
Speaker 8: In Sydney, it's something that's very important to us as
35:13
Speaker 8: a city. Joe Hildebrand wrote a really good piece about
35:16
Speaker 8: it today, about his association with it. And, you know,
35:20
Speaker 8: he most times, I think, agrees with Albanese's government, but
35:23
Speaker 8: on this one he doesn't. And so as a result,
35:26
Speaker 8: to be so impertinent as Defence Minister to denigrate men
35:31
Speaker 8: who served, it's... I mean, Albanese should pull him in
35:35
Speaker 8: the line, but he's gutless.
35:37
Speaker 1: He won't.
35:37
Speaker 2: It should be an apology.
35:38
Speaker 3: I mean, the way this government has treated veterans more
35:41
Speaker 3: broadly is quite disgraceful.
35:43
Speaker 2: Ray, you fired up, and another one of.
35:45
Speaker 3: Your clips went viral on Friday, this time about the
35:49
Speaker 3: University of Sydney, the Vice-Chancellor, Mark Scott.
35:51
Speaker 2: This is about the.
35:52
Speaker 3: Globalise the Interfire, the student group. I reported this first
35:55
Speaker 3: exclusively a week ago or six.
35:58
Speaker 2: Days ago, and.
36:00
Speaker 3: Look, no action ultimately from the university.
36:03
Speaker 2: Oh, they removed them in some area. They're seeking legal advice.
36:06
Speaker 2: They've written to the Crown Solicitor. It's their campus. It's
36:10
Speaker 2: their responsibility.
36:11
Speaker 8: Well, as usual, I tagged you in because I thought
36:13
Speaker 8: it was a great story and wasn't getting the sort
36:15
Speaker 8: of coverage it deserved. So what there is is Student
36:18
Speaker 8: Representative Council have a ticket called Globalise the Either Father,
36:22
Speaker 8: which is offensive in the extreme.
36:24
Speaker 1: So Mark Scott, the Vice-Chancellor... who.
36:27
Speaker 8: Then had the mea culpa and the apology after doing
36:30
Speaker 8: nothing about the protest inside Sydney Uni and said, I.
36:32
Speaker 1: Handle it badly.
36:33
Speaker 8: I didn't realise the impact on Jewish students and Jewish staff.
36:37
Speaker 8: And now he's confronting this. So his answer is, I'll
36:39
Speaker 8: go to the Crown solicitor and ask them what I
36:42
Speaker 8: can do about it. As I said in my editorial,
36:45
Speaker 8: you are the boss.
36:46
Speaker 1: You are the vice-chancellor.
36:48
Speaker 8: You walk down there, you say, listen, there will be
36:51
Speaker 8: no ticket for globalising Ida Fada on this campus.
36:55
Speaker 1: End of story.
36:57
Speaker 8: But he hasn't got the bottle to do that. And
36:59
Speaker 8: so he sends off the Crown's list. Oh, they're the
37:01
Speaker 8: student representing the council, representing a very small part of
37:04
Speaker 8: that council, these people globalising the father. But after what
37:08
Speaker 8: happened at that campus, how Mark Scott sits there idly.
37:11
Speaker 1: By and says, oh, I can't do anything about this.
37:13
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
37:14
Speaker 1: If there's another royal commissioner, he'll apologise again, I guess.
37:17
Speaker 3: Actually, Chris Mitchell, an Australian, wrote a fantastic column about it.
37:20
Speaker 3: I've been meaning to text him all day to say, great.
37:22
Speaker 2: Column, and now I'm telling him on air.
37:24
Speaker 1: He's another veteran.
37:25
Speaker 2: Yes, he was excellent. Ray, now, I do not follow
37:29
Speaker 2: the footy. I didn't watch the grand final last weekend.
37:32
Speaker 2: I'm not going to watch it this weekend. But you
37:33
Speaker 2: love football.
37:35
Speaker 8: Well, I've called 35 grand finals, so I do know
37:37
Speaker 8: a little bit about it. And you're talking about the
37:39
Speaker 8: win by Newcastle over Penrith, which was as good a
37:42
Speaker 8: win as you'd see with 12 men for 43 minutes.
37:45
Speaker 8: But Trent Robinson's a mate of mine and a great coach,
37:49
Speaker 8: the Roosters coach.
37:51
Speaker 1: So it's Roosters versus.
37:54
Speaker 2: This weekend versus the Knights.
37:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those in southern states, it's the main game,
37:59
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
38:00
Speaker 3: But you would have watched the AFL.
38:02
Speaker 11: Of course.
38:03
Speaker 8: Of course I did, and I don't know how Brisbane won,
38:06
Speaker 8: and I don't know much about AFL, but they did.
38:08
Speaker 8: But anyway, look, I have a feeling, and I'll get
38:11
Speaker 8: into trouble because I have family members in Newcastle. I
38:13
Speaker 8: think Newcastle played the grand final yesterday, and it's going
38:17
Speaker 8: to be very hard to back up next weekend. against
38:20
Speaker 8: a side that's primed and ready to go.
38:22
Speaker 2: Do you think Roosters will win?
38:23
Speaker 8: I think the Roosters will win. That'll get me a
38:25
Speaker 8: few brownie points with Nick Politis, who gets cranky if
38:27
Speaker 8: I tip against him.
38:28
Speaker 1: So, Nick, good luck to the Roosters. Good luck to
38:30
Speaker 1: Newcastle too.
38:31
Speaker 3: I just thought it was interesting that Albo couldn't turn
38:33
Speaker 3: up to the grand final because he would have been booed,
38:35
Speaker 3: plus the awkward situation of Kylie Minogue after he said
38:38
Speaker 3: he basically wanted to, you.
38:40
Speaker 2: Know, sleep with her. So inappropriate. How awkward would that
38:44
Speaker 2: be for her to have to bum me deep?
38:46
Speaker 8: Well, I'll leave you with this one thought. I know
38:49
Speaker 8: you've been talking about Queensland politics and Stephen Miles.
38:51
Speaker 6: Oh, yes.
38:52
Speaker 8: I call him Giggles Miles because every time he does
38:54
Speaker 8: a media conference, he giggles through the course of it
38:56
Speaker 8: because it's his way of deflecting from the stupidity he's
38:59
Speaker 8: talking about. But Stephen Miles almost makes the Prime Minister
39:03
Speaker 8: look statesmanlike, as close as you can get.
39:05
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone can achieve that. Thank you.
39:09
Speaker 2: And I like your haircut, I notice.
39:11
Speaker 1: My wife said I look like a schoolboy this morning.
39:13
Speaker 2: No, you look great. Yeah, you look younger. All right,
39:15
Speaker 2: good to see you.
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Speaker 1: I'll need more than a haircut.
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Speaker 2: No, you look great.
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Speaker 3: All right, still to come on the show, the mum
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Speaker 3: inspired by Lindsay Clancy now charged with murder, plus Labor's
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Speaker 3: digital duty of care, Trojan Hoss, creating fake accounts.
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Speaker 2: Bridget McKenzie, after the break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Labor's new digital laws will mean the e-safety commissioner can
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Speaker 3: create fake accounts, or so-called sock puppet identities, as part
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Speaker 3: of the sweeping censorship. A spokesperson from the Communication Minister,
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Speaker 3: Annika Wells' office, admitted this, saying the accounts will be
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Speaker 3: used to audit the systems and processes of platforms to
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Speaker 3: protect Australians from harmful material like child sexual abuse, extreme.
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Speaker 2: Violence and terrorism, not individual accounts.
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Speaker 3: Now, this has been partly exposed by American journalist Michael Schellenberger.
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Speaker 3: He'll join me on the show tomorrow night. But let's
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Speaker 3: bring in now leader of the Nationals in the Senate,
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Speaker 3: Bridget McKenzie. Bridget, great to see you again. Look, the
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Speaker 3: government is supposedly concerned about the use of AI, but
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Speaker 3: now we've learned they're using bots, fake accounts, as part
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Speaker 3: of this censorship effort.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Shari. I mean, this digital duty of care
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Speaker 6: bill is censorship dressed up as care. I mean, everyone
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Speaker 6: watching your program cares about young men accessing violent pornography,
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Speaker 6: young women being harassed and bullied online to taking their lives.
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Speaker 6: But putting the government in charge of defining what harmful is,
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Speaker 6: is not the way to solve it. And you can't
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Speaker 6: believe we had to send the Prime Minister to Apple
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Speaker 6: HQ to learn about parental control on phones. But this latest,
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Speaker 6: we've now got the exposure draft of the legislation, and
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Speaker 6: it's even worse than we could imagine. As you mentioned
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Speaker 6: in your opening remarks, the sock puppet arrangements essentially add surveillance,
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Speaker 6: government surveillance, to this suite of powers being handed to
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Speaker 6: the eSafety Commissioner. So you've got government censorship about what
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Speaker 6: is determining harm, And now you're actually going to have
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Speaker 6: a process in place that allows government surveillance of citizenry.
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Speaker 6: We in the Liberal and the National Party will be
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Speaker 6: voting against this legislation. And I think Australians broadly should
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Speaker 6: be very, very concerned by the government's move in this
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Speaker 6: department and even more concerned having seen the draft legislation released.
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Speaker 3: It's so worrying because it gives the minister... herself control
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Speaker 3: to decide what is harmful. And you hear how often
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister and the Minister speak and have spoken
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Speaker 3: over the past few years about misinformation and disinformation and
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Speaker 3: what they consider harmful. I mean, it could be any
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Speaker 3: number of issues that we should be having free speech on,
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Speaker 3: from You know, issues affecting biological women to issues that
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Speaker 3: they might not want us to cover. I mean, we
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Speaker 3: saw it with the origins of COVID as well.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely, Shari.
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Speaker 6: Politicians like me, political commentators and journalists like yourselves would
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Speaker 6: absolutely be the target of this type of legislation. We've
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Speaker 6: heard Annika Wells say herself that she's concerned when she's
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Speaker 6: out door knocking that people don't believe her. Well, maybe
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Speaker 6: that's because the Labor Party are habitual liars. We've also
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Speaker 6: heard Jim Chalmers blame attacks on his horrific budget on
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Speaker 6: social media algorithms. So given that Labor Party ministers from
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Speaker 6: the Treasurer to the Health Minister to Annika Wells and
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Speaker 6: beyond are blaming social media for negative perspectives on their
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Speaker 6: appalling track record on governing our nation, It really points
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Speaker 6: to where the Labor Party wants to take these laws.
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Speaker 6: This will be used to censor commentators and politicians for
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Speaker 6: political purposes, undoubtedly, all under the guise of caring for
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Speaker 6: young people, which we all seek to do.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, of course.
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Speaker 3: Just before we move on to other issues, I want
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Speaker 3: to get your thoughts about Virgin Australia. School holidays at
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Speaker 3: the moment, a lot of people are trying to get
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Speaker 3: away or trying to come home. And, you know, Virgin
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Speaker 3: is still trying to get passengers back to their home states.
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Speaker 3: 40 flights were cancelled over the weekend. Bad weather, but
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Speaker 3: also worker shortages.
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Speaker 6: Well, what you're seeing at the moment is Virgin is
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Speaker 6: in negotiations with the TWU in industrial relations changes and
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Speaker 6: you're seeing workers refusing to come in to do overtime, etc.
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Speaker 6: And That is having a significant impact on the delivery
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Speaker 6: of services for customers right across the country and incredibly
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Speaker 6: frustrating for travellers and in some cases very, very concerning
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Speaker 6: when those sort of flights are required for urgent reasons.
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Speaker 6: So we hope there's a resolution quickly.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly before you go, reports today by Paul Garvey
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Speaker 3: in The Australian that 30,000 illegal immigrants, some of them immigrants,
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Speaker 3: asylum seekers arriving by boat in the Rudd-Gillard era have
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Speaker 3: been granted permanent visas.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think this is like categorically underlined capital letters
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Speaker 6: that the Labor Party has lost control of the migration system.
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Speaker 6: Not only have they willingly let in 1.2 million arrivals
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Speaker 6: since coming to power, but they are legitimately making legal
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Speaker 6: those people that arrived in our country illegally. Now it
45:16
Speaker 6: was the Liberal and the National Party that shut down
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Speaker 6: illegal boat arrivals at our borders. We did that successfully
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Speaker 6: so much so countries around the world are wanting to
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Speaker 6: know how we did it. We wanna do to legal migration,
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Speaker 6: what we're able to do to illegal migration. And the
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Speaker 6: Labor Party right now is allowing those 30,000 to stay.
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Speaker 6: It is not right. And Australians rightfully have had enough
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Speaker 6: of the Labor Party's migration failures.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big issue. Bridget McKenzie, thank you very
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Speaker 2: much for joining us.
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Speaker 3: And after the break, we'll get the latest on the
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Speaker 3: terror plot in the UK, plus the story about the
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Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy copycat.
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Speaker 2: That's next. Thanks for tuning in.
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Speaker 3: And for more now on the major foiled terror plot
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Speaker 3: on the US Air Force Base in the UK, I'm
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Speaker 3: joined by News24 contributor Kosha Garda.
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Speaker 2: Kosha, thanks.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you again. Now, this place, as I said,
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Speaker 3: was a US outpost. President Trump's spoken about it. It
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Speaker 3: was reportedly involved in the strikes against Iran.
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Speaker 2: What's the latest from British police?
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Speaker 14: The latest story, and great to be with you as always,
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Speaker 14: is that the details are still unfolding, so they are
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Speaker 14: not committed in coming out and saying that it was
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Speaker 14: definitely an Iran-backed event, though all indications do suggest that,
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Speaker 14: and the investigation is ongoing, whether it was officially sanctioned
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Speaker 14: by the state or it was a group sympathetic to them.
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Speaker 14: or some outpost. I think all that will be known
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Speaker 14: in the days ahead. But either way, it does definitely
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Speaker 14: come across as an escalatory action, if any of those
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Speaker 14: scenarios were to be true. And when you look at
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Speaker 14: that with the backdrop of the war and the ongoing
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Speaker 14: stalled negotiations, this, I think, turns up the ratchet for sure,
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Speaker 14: because it's an escalation against the U.S. It also calls
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Speaker 14: into question U.S.
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Speaker 13: Allies.
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Speaker 14: Like the British that are not actively involved in the war,
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Speaker 14: but are helping with such basis and the cost to them.
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Speaker 14: And as we know, the war remains unpopular among the
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Speaker 14: citizenries of all those countries. But this is something that
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Speaker 14: cannot go without some sort of a response, I would
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Speaker 14: expect from President Trump.
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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, it's not a surprise that this
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Speaker 3: has happened in the UK. We are, you know, seeing
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Speaker 3: changing demographics in London and Australia. The problem of radical
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Speaker 3: Islamic extremism is in every major city around the world
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Speaker 3: at the moment. I want to turn to this story
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Speaker 3: in Illinois. An alleged Lindsay Clancy copycat has been accused
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Speaker 3: of murdering her two-year-old son. This is 40-year-old Corrie Walsh.
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Speaker 3: She's pleaded not guilty, with lawyers arguing she was in
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Speaker 3: the depths of a psychotic episode. when she killed her
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Speaker 3: son Barrett on September the 1st. Now, Kosha, apparently the
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Speaker 3: New York Post reports this. Corey had become obsessed with
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Speaker 3: the Clancy case and she allegedly wrote to a group
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Speaker 3: chat about it.
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Speaker 1: She did.
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Speaker 14: There's a text chain with friends of hers where just hours,
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Speaker 14: even minutes before she committed this crime, she was texting
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Speaker 14: about it. She was obsessively involved in it. It is
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Speaker 14: another heinous story of filicide. Parents... mothers, even more heinous,
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Speaker 14: I would say, killing their young children. Her son was
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Speaker 14: two years old. And I looked this up. It actually
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Speaker 14: surprised me after these stories have come out. But in
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Speaker 14: the last decade, there's been about 4,000 cases of filicide.
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Speaker 14: It is pretty evenly split between mothers and fathers. But
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Speaker 14: what has changed in the U.S., I should say, that stat,
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Speaker 14: but what has changed is the culture of as we
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Speaker 14: saw in the Lindsay Clancy case, is either excusing it,
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Speaker 14: providing this defense of psychotic break, and you're suffering from psychosis,
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Speaker 14: so you didn't know what you were doing, and trying
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Speaker 14: to say that that rises to the legal standard to
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Speaker 14: find somebody not guilty by reason of insanity. And the
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Speaker 14: more the culture does this, excuses it, In Lindsay Clancy's case,
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Speaker 14: people even raised $ 1. 3 million for her after she admitted
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Speaker 14: doing what she did. You could argue that we're even
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Speaker 14: as a culture glorifying it. And so I'm sad to
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Speaker 14: say that it's kind of not surprising that you're going
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Speaker 14: to see more and more people coming out of the
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Speaker 14: woodwork committing these awful acts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think the left is so confused. I mean,
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Speaker 3: this whole movement supporting Lindsay Clancy and then demonising a
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Speaker 3: democratic state like Israel, it just.
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Speaker 2: And excusing terrorism as well. It is so morally depraved.
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Speaker 3: Look, the Democrats accusing the White House of running a
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Speaker 3: series of taxpayer-funded advertisements that boost Trump's campaign.
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Speaker 2: Have a quick look.
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Speaker 12: Together we will defeat communism, socialism and Marxism in America
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Speaker 12: once and for all.
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Speaker 1: America will never be a communist country.
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Speaker 2: So kosher. I mean, the Democrats' line is that this
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Speaker 2: is a political ad.
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Speaker 14: Yes, because the midterms are around the corner and the
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Speaker 14: FEC laws in the US are pretty clear that you
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Speaker 14: can't use public funds for political ads. The Trump team's
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Speaker 14: defense is that, well, that's not political. That's sort of
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Speaker 14: a statement about loving America and America is the beacon
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Speaker 14: of the free world and will never be a communist country.
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Speaker 14: Even if this is litigated in the courts, I won't
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Speaker 14: be surprised if there's some injunction or lawsuit that is
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Speaker 14: filed promptly. The ad is out there. People are talking
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Speaker 14: about it and seeing it. So that's with a strategy
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Speaker 14: that Tim Trump is taking.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think it does speak to values.
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Speaker 3: But, yeah, a lot more people are seeing it now
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Speaker 3: than would have before.
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Speaker 2: We're almost out of time. Maybe just very quickly your take.
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Speaker 3: On Iran resuming talks with Trump in the next week.
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Speaker 14: We shall see. I think it's more of the same.
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Speaker 14: Trump has rejected their latest proposal. He's saying the proposal
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Speaker 14: would have been good a year ago, but it's not
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Speaker 14: good enough now. But at the same time, he's continuing
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Speaker 14: to put on pressure. And then I think that terror
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Speaker 14: plot that we just talked about adds another layer to this.
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Speaker 14: So more to come. But I'm not holding my breath
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Speaker 14: that we're going to get any sort of resolution quickly,
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Speaker 14: but hopefully not in the not too distant future. We
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Speaker 14: see some movement.
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Speaker 1: Indeed.
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Speaker 3: Kosha Gada, thank you so much for your time. And thanks, everyone,
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Speaker 3: for your company tonight. I'll see you tomorrow. Michael Schellenberger
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Speaker 3: on the show.
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Speaker 2: Don't miss it. Here's Paul Murray.