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- 0:03Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, March nineteen, twenty twenty five. Israel is pounding
- 0:13Speaker 1: Gaza again. Hundreds have reportedly died in air strikes, which
- 0:18Speaker 1: Israel says are aimed at eliminating Hamas command structures and
- 0:22Speaker 1: enforcing the return of hostages. You can read all our
- 0:26Speaker 1: reporting and analysis of the latest twist in that conflict
- 0:29Speaker 1: right now at the Australian dot com dot au. The
- 0:38Speaker 1: International Olympic Committee is meeting to elect a new president
- 0:41Speaker 1: with a mandate to overhaul the Games. The candidates are
- 0:45Speaker 1: united on one issue, trans women will be banned from
- 0:49Speaker 1: female sporting categories. Today, our europe correspondent, Jacqueline Magne, who's
- 0:55Speaker 1: covered fifteen Olympic Games, sizes up the candidates for world
- 0:59Speaker 1: sports most powerful role and tells us why they're on
- 1:03Speaker 1: a unity ticket about women's sport. That's today's episode. Jacqueline
- 1:15Speaker 1: Magnet is the Australian's Europe correspondent, and she's simultaneously covering
- 1:19Speaker 1: the jostling for two incredibly important global positions, the papacy
- 1:24Speaker 1: and the presidency of the IOC. Jack do you ever
- 1:27Speaker 1: get these two things muddled up in your head and
- 1:29Speaker 1: dream about Sebastian Cove becoming pope.
- 1:33Speaker 2: Well maybe Sebastian co might think that, but no, but
- 1:37Speaker 2: the two organizations have very very similar structures in the
- 1:42Speaker 2: way that they conduct their elections. So I suppose we've
- 1:45Speaker 2: got a conclave happening this week in Greece on this
- 1:50Speaker 2: resort Costa Navarino, which is usually a lovely summer resort.
- 1:55Speaker 2: There's helipads everywhere, but it's empty at the moment except
- 2:00Speaker 2: for one hundred and eight IOC members that have flown in,
- 2:05Speaker 2: but also their families and the entourages in world sport.
- 2:09Speaker 2: They're all converging on this west coast of Greece. It's
- 2:14Speaker 2: about a four and a half hour drive from Athens,
- 2:17Speaker 2: and they're electing the new president to take over from
- 2:20Speaker 2: Thomas Bark who's helmed the organization for twelve years now,
- 2:24Speaker 2: and he steps down in June, but his success will
- 2:28Speaker 2: be elected on Thursday evening.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Last time, most of our listeners paid attention to the
- 2:33Speaker 1: International Olympic Committee members were being disgraced and kicked off
- 2:37Speaker 1: the committee for accepting bribes all sorts of acts of
- 2:41Speaker 1: corruption that was a couple of decades ago, around the
- 2:43Speaker 1: time of the Sydney Olympics, less.
- 2:45Speaker 3: Than one hundred days.
- 2:46Speaker 4: The Olympic movement has faced its most serious challenge in
- 2:49Speaker 4: the past one hundred years by a bribery scheme that
- 2:52Speaker 4: had far reaching consequences for the International Olympic Committee at
- 2:55Speaker 4: Salt Lake City won the bid on its merits, not
- 3:00Speaker 4: because of this program.
- 3:01Speaker 5: We are aware that there are agents, and we are
- 3:05Speaker 5: aware of the identities of at least some of them.
- 3:09Speaker 3: What they've done or not done, we don't know yet.
- 3:13Speaker 2: Apparently I said too much.
- 3:16Speaker 1: What is this organization? Now? Has it cleaned up its act?
- 3:20Speaker 4: Well?
- 3:20Speaker 2: It has because it had a very good president in
- 3:23Speaker 2: Jacques Rogge, who implemented new rules that members couldn't go
- 3:28Speaker 2: and to the bid cities anymore. And then we've had
- 3:32Speaker 2: Thomas Bark for the last twelve years and he's really
- 3:36Speaker 2: run it as a personal fifdom, you know, very autocratic.
- 3:41Speaker 2: His rule is the way to go. If people don't
- 3:44Speaker 2: follow him or are not happy with what he suggests,
- 3:48Speaker 2: people are very much shunned and pushed to the outer
- 3:51Speaker 2: So he's created an interesting organization that's very closeted and
- 3:57Speaker 2: the power is held within the executive and just a
- 4:00Speaker 2: handful of IOC members, and so we've got this election.
- 4:04Speaker 2: At the moment, there's seven candidates and nearly all of
- 4:08Speaker 2: them are saying they want to open up the Olympic movement.
- 4:11Speaker 2: They want to have allow members to have more of
- 4:14Speaker 2: a say. Some of them are even suggesting that they
- 4:17Speaker 2: may go back to the time of having members able
- 4:20Speaker 2: to visit bid cities and have more of an input
- 4:23Speaker 2: into that decision because for the last decade they've felt
- 4:29Speaker 2: very much on the outer.
- 4:33Speaker 1: What are the other big issues on the table?
- 4:35Speaker 2: Jack, Well, some of the big issues are what sports
- 4:37Speaker 2: are going to be on the Olympic program and that
- 4:39Speaker 2: will impact on Brisbane. Twenty thirty two.
- 4:41Speaker 4: The International Olympic Committee as the honor to announce that
- 4:47Speaker 4: the Games of the thirty fifth Olympiad I award it
- 4:51Speaker 4: to Brisbane, Australia.
- 4:59Speaker 2: Those will be made in the next year or so.
- 5:02Speaker 2: We've seen just this week how boxing will be on
- 5:07Speaker 2: the LA program. So boxing is an Olympic sport but
- 5:11Speaker 2: was not on the LA program because of concerns about
- 5:16Speaker 2: which organization will run World boxing. And so during the
- 5:20Speaker 2: Paris Olympic Games, the IOC ran it and we had
- 5:23Speaker 2: that huge controversy where we had two athletes who have
- 5:26Speaker 2: failed previous six tests that were conducted by the International
- 5:30Speaker 2: Boxing Association. They were allowed to compete as females and
- 5:35Speaker 2: they won gold medals.
- 5:37Speaker 3: The International Olympic Committee is playing defense. A day after
- 5:40Speaker 3: an Algerian boxer deemed a biological male faced off against
- 5:44Speaker 3: an Italian opponent who has hit so hard she stopped
- 5:47Speaker 3: the fight.
- 5:48Speaker 1: Italian Angela Karini could take no more, feeling unfairly overpowered
- 5:52Speaker 1: by Iman Khalif.
- 5:55Speaker 2: But for LA, the IOC doesn't want to conduct the
- 6:01Speaker 2: boxing competition themselves. They want an international federation to conduct it,
- 6:06Speaker 2: and so a rival boxing organization, World Boxing, has now
- 6:12Speaker 2: been given the approval to host and control boxing for
- 6:17Speaker 2: the Olympic Committee. And so it means that this rival
- 6:21Speaker 2: boxing organization will now take over and run the competition.
- 6:28Speaker 1: Is breaking going to be back for the next It's
- 6:31Speaker 1: a good credit.
- 6:32Speaker 2: No, I certainly don't think it does not have very
- 6:34Speaker 2: big support amongst the IOC members at the moment. There's
- 6:38Speaker 2: other sports, particularly cricket. I think they really want cricket
- 6:42Speaker 2: to be a permanent sport on the Olympic program. But
- 6:45Speaker 2: again it will depend on who the president is and
- 6:48Speaker 2: what their particular quirks and favorites are. And one of
- 6:52Speaker 2: the candidates is Juan Antonio Samarach who has been very
- 6:56Speaker 2: closely associated with modern pentathlon for about two decades. And
- 7:00Speaker 2: if you recall the name Juan Antonio Sabarange where John
- 7:03Speaker 2: saw everybody does, that's his father. So Samaranch Senior headed
- 7:10Speaker 2: up the organization as president for twenty one years, including
- 7:14Speaker 2: awarding the Games to Sydney, and then was the president
- 7:17Speaker 2: during the time of the Sydney Olympics.
- 7:20Speaker 4: You have presented to the world the best Olympic Games ever.
- 7:28Speaker 2: Well it's his son now who is standing to be
- 7:31Speaker 2: president again and following his father's footsteps.
- 7:41Speaker 1: Another issue that they're going to have to look at
- 7:43Speaker 1: across the whole Olympic program is the question of transgender
- 7:47Speaker 1: athletes competing at the Games. Until now, that's really been
- 7:51Speaker 1: left to individual sporting federations to work out some rules
- 7:55Speaker 1: for themselves. Of course, Donald Trump has said that no
- 7:59Speaker 1: transgender athletes will be able to compete for the United States.
- 8:02Speaker 1: So is this something that whoever the IOC president is
- 8:06Speaker 1: going to have to resolve across the board.
- 8:09Speaker 2: This is such a hot topic and all of the
- 8:12Speaker 2: IOC candidates have said that they will make the female
- 8:16Speaker 2: competition for biological females only. Now, this was a stance
- 8:20Speaker 2: that Sebastian Coe was very public about several years ago,
- 8:25Speaker 2: and in his position as President of World Athletics, he
- 8:29Speaker 2: was one of the first sports to have very clear
- 8:33Speaker 2: rules about the female category being for biological females. His
- 8:39Speaker 2: camp is a little bit miffed really that all the
- 8:42Speaker 2: other IOC candidates have now fallen in behind him and
- 8:46Speaker 2: have adopted very similar policies because they've bred the room,
- 8:50Speaker 2: They've gone and spoken to the members. Everybody has said,
- 8:53Speaker 2: this issue is ridiculous. Why are we involved in this.
- 8:58Speaker 2: We are not the United Nations. We are running sport
- 9:01Speaker 2: and we have to protect sport for half of our constituency.
- 9:06Speaker 2: And so they've all swung in behind and whoever will
- 9:09Speaker 2: be president next week will be implementing a kind of
- 9:14Speaker 2: blanket directive about this and directing all the international sports
- 9:19Speaker 2: giving them a clear and single policy in which to implement,
- 9:23Speaker 2: so that all sport across the board will have a
- 9:26Speaker 2: very similar policy where female sport will be for biological females.
- 9:35Speaker 1: Coming up. One of the candidates wants to rename the Games.
- 9:38Speaker 1: And who else is in the running to run the IOC.
- 9:42Speaker 1: That's after the break.
- 9:56Speaker 5: Seven candidates are vying to become the tenth President of
- 9:59Speaker 5: the International Olympics Committee at the one hundred and forty
- 10:02Speaker 5: third IOC session in Greece. They will be running to
- 10:05Speaker 5: succeed seventy one year old German Thomas Buck, who has
- 10:09Speaker 5: been at the helm of the IOC since October twenty thirteen.
- 10:13Speaker 1: Let's have look at some of the other front runners.
- 10:15Speaker 3: World record another gold medal.
- 10:18Speaker 1: Kirsty Coventry future Kirsty Coventry is a zimbabewin swimmer, very famous,
- 10:24Speaker 1: one lot of medals. She then became a politician in
- 10:28Speaker 1: Zimbabwe and she's been active in the IOC for a
- 10:31Speaker 1: number of years. What sort of candidate is she.
- 10:35Speaker 2: Well, we know Kirsty quite well because she is the
- 10:38Speaker 2: IOC's coordination chair for the Brisbane Olympics. So she's female,
- 10:42Speaker 2: she's from Africa, and she's also a young mother. She
- 10:45Speaker 2: has a four month old baby as well as a
- 10:48Speaker 2: five year old. So Thomas Bark is very much pushing
- 10:53Speaker 2: her candidate to the point where he's ringing other IOC
- 10:57Speaker 2: members convincing them to try and swing behind Kirsty Coventry.
- 11:01Speaker 2: So more of the same is what her presidency would
- 11:05Speaker 2: be like. But then that holds her distinctly different to
- 11:11Speaker 2: all the other candidates. So it's whether the IOC membership
- 11:14Speaker 2: wants what's been happening in the past decade or so
- 11:18Speaker 2: to continue on or not.
- 11:22Speaker 1: There's a Jordanian prince and Japanese candidate. Tell us about
- 11:26Speaker 1: some of the others.
- 11:27Speaker 2: Prince Vazo from Jordan, the royal family. He's very charming,
- 11:31Speaker 2: very well liked, but he's considered very much a lightweight
- 11:35Speaker 2: in the IOC. We've also got Mariani Wattanabi, who is
- 11:41Speaker 2: the Japanese head of the International Gymnastics Federation, and he's
- 11:46Speaker 2: actually thrown a lot of color into this election because
- 11:49Speaker 2: he's got some really wild ideas. He wants the Olympics
- 11:53Speaker 2: held on all five continents all at once, and suggesting
- 11:57Speaker 2: to change the name of the Olympics. He wants to
- 12:00Speaker 2: call the Olympics the World Games, which is not that
- 12:05Speaker 2: radical in terms of a name, but why are you
- 12:07Speaker 2: going to get rid of your prize branding that's been
- 12:11Speaker 2: built up over one hundred years and that's what all
- 12:14Speaker 2: the sponsors are paying for that to be associated with
- 12:17Speaker 2: the Olympics. So I don't think that one's going to fly.
- 12:21Speaker 2: There's also Lord Sebastian Coe. Now he's got the best
- 12:24Speaker 2: CV of all because he's world record holder, multiple Olympic champion.
- 12:31Speaker 3: It's Sebastian Path expending his lead and Sebastian past Sebastian
- 12:37Speaker 3: cow wins the gold matter.
- 12:39Speaker 2: He headed up the London twenty twelve bid and then
- 12:42Speaker 2: also the Olympic Games there and Chair of World Athletics
- 12:46Speaker 2: and they've got two hundred members around the world, all
- 12:49Speaker 2: the countries, so he's been able to go a network
- 12:53Speaker 2: with all of these voting members for some time now,
- 12:56Speaker 2: and I think he's the candidate with the momentum at
- 12:59Speaker 2: the moment. I think a month ago, I would have
- 13:02Speaker 2: said Juan Antonio Samarance Junior was the favorite because he
- 13:08Speaker 2: is very well known, very charming, very friendly, and everybody
- 13:12Speaker 2: wants to tell him that they're voting for him. But
- 13:15Speaker 2: I think that Sebastian Coe in the last month has
- 13:18Speaker 2: really worked hard. Look, it's so hard to tell because
- 13:22Speaker 2: it's a secret ballot and all the members say, oh,
- 13:26Speaker 2: you can have my vote, but they never tell you
- 13:28Speaker 2: in which round they're going to vote for you, so
- 13:32Speaker 2: you know it is minde in secrecy and it's just
- 13:34Speaker 2: fascinating to see if there's a block of votes then
- 13:37Speaker 2: swinging behind another candidate.
- 13:42Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magnet is The Australian's europe correspondent. You can follow
- 13:50Speaker 1: her coverage of the IOC election live on Thursday and
- 13:54Speaker 1: Friday at the Australian dot com dot au