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Basketball Culture, Conceptual Offense, and Player Development · A Quick Timeout

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  SPEAKER_00: Coach Travis Steele is no stranger to the basketball coaches community.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's in his fourth year at the University of Miami of Ohio,
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  SPEAKER_00: coming off a school record 25-win season.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to have him joining us today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Coach, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you for having me on, Tony.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big fan of yours.
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  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I mentioned the 25 wins.
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  For people that don't have the context,
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  that's a 10-win jump from the previous season.
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  SPEAKER_00: Factors that you attribute that jump to are what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, man, I think number one, we have really good players.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I tell everybody that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think our culture,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's funny,
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  SPEAKER_01: Tony,
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  SPEAKER_01: when we first came here,
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  SPEAKER_01: I told our AD,
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  SPEAKER_01: David Saylor and President Crawford,
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  SPEAKER_01: I said,
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  SPEAKER_01: listen,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you want a quick build,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're probably hiring the wrong guy.
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  I'm going to try to build something that's going to last and be
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  sustainable.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so year one, we struggled.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we had good kids.
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  SPEAKER_01: It worked hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got better as the year we're on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe didn't get necessarily the result that we wanted with the wins,
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  but we were just kind of laying down the foundation just like
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  you build a house,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: In year two, we were significantly better.
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  We played a lot of freshmen,
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  which I think is a little bit lost in college basketball right
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  now.
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  Everybody's trying to get old,
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  stay old in this transfer portal era that we're in right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And
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  SPEAKER_01: We played freshman and we took some lumps doing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I knew that, but they had to gain some experience somehow.
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  And that led into year three as far as like those guys came
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  back and shoot,
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  and they were a little bit more experienced than they were the
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  year before.
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  SPEAKER_01: And listen, we got a great, again, we got
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  our culture is really strong i think our players have gotten a
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  heck of a lot better
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  you know we develop our guys we got i got a great staff here i
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  guess some of the
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  best assistant coaches in the country christian smith jonathan
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  holmes ben botts and
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  carl richburg and elijah pennington are phenomenal and they
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  make me look really
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  SPEAKER_01: smart so i hired really really well
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  How does the makeup of teams now that we're in this transfer
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  portal era impact how
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  you communicate the culture to the players and then also how
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  you implement it and
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe even the speed at which you implement things?
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  SPEAKER_01: That is the golden question in this era.
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  because your teams are it's a little bit more year to year than
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  it's ever been yeah
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  um i think here at miami we're still trying to hold on to that
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  old model you know
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  keeping guys here getting guys as freshmen they become
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  sophomores and juniors they
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  become leaders in your program they show that the new guys how
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  things are done
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  SPEAKER_01: right we're trying to hold on to that but
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  SPEAKER_01: In my opinion,
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  SPEAKER_01: culture all starts with,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: rather than just having words on a wall,
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  SPEAKER_01: we recruit to our core values.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's where it starts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't think you can change people.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I really don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: our four core values are compete at every moment,
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  SPEAKER_01: carry your brother,
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  SPEAKER_01: embody undeniable confidence,
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  SPEAKER_01: and strive for majus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those four things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when we go out and recruit,
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  SPEAKER_01: and when I hired,
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  SPEAKER_01: I hired our staff as well,
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  SPEAKER_01: we use those four core values to guide everything,
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  SPEAKER_01: every big decision that we make.
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  now we try to in the summer when we first get our team we go
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  over our core values
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  very very detailed manner because those guys should be able to
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  explain very quickly
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  who we are and what we're all about and then we kind of come up
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  with our culture
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  what i call kind of guard rails like how do we live how do we
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  make these core
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  SPEAKER_01: values come to life every single day
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what's important rather than just being the words on the wall.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's a lot easier when those guys fit the core values.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then I let the players kind of come up with the guardrails.
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  And I'll give you kind of like a very small example,
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  like carry your brother.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of them could be,
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  SPEAKER_01: hey,
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  SPEAKER_01: listen,
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  SPEAKER_01: when the teammate hits the floor,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're going to sprint over and pick him up.
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  Or it could be a point,
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  you know,
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  the old North Carolina Dean Smith point to the passer.
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  SPEAKER_01: She will point to the screener or cutter to here.
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  SPEAKER_01: We take it to another level.
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  but like how are we creating carrier brother that core value
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  and how are we putting
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  it on front street every single day so i think the guard rails
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  are important but i
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  do i think everything tony starts with just the recruitment of
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  getting guys that
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  SPEAKER_01: fit
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  SPEAKER_01: is extremely important.
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  And the transfer portal is more challenging because it's a
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  little bit more like speed dating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those recruitments are two weeks, three weeks.
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  And so we only deal with guys we know and that we've maybe have
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  recruited before or
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  already have a relationship and we know that they fit because
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  we've got to protect
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  SPEAKER_01: our culture at all costs.
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  I'm so glad that you mentioned the point when the passer makes
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  a pass or pick the
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  SPEAKER_00: person up because those are things that coaches have done forever.
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  But I think the intentionality now that you just described,
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  that is the magic formula.
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  It's not just that we do a bunch of these really good things
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  that we've always been
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  SPEAKER_00: taught to do,
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  SPEAKER_00: but now how does that tie to a core value?
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  Because then that's how we as coaches are measuring even our
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  on-court performance.
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  And the carryover from the words on a wall to the little things
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  that we do every
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  SPEAKER_00: day,
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  but then how we play in the games is sometimes the challenging
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  part for coaches.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you help the players understand that when we talk about culture,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's not this compartmentalized box?
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  SPEAKER_00: but it really is actually everything that we do so that they don't just,
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like even sometimes my players,
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  they think that we do these isolated things just because
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  they're good things or the
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  SPEAKER_00: coach tells them to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in actuality, this is a part of who we are.
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  And I'm actually trying to teach you something even bigger than
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  what happens on the court.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  You know,
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  we,
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  we start with just explaining kind of,
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  you know,
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  how,
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  how important leadership is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything starts with leadership.
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  SPEAKER_01: We get great.
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  player leadership and it's my job to help lead our group right
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  um as well but the
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  leaders kind of create the cultures and cultures you know if
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  you've probably heard
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  before drives the behaviors and behaviors creates a result the
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  results will take
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  care of themselves so we we focus honestly yeah i feel like i
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  coach the culture
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  stuff probably i shouldn't say harder than i do the schemes
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  especially in the
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  SPEAKER_01: summer because i kind of
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  to really start to evaluate kind of what we have and and then
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  we kind of fit our
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  schemes a little bit around we'll more we'll adapt uh our
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  schemes to our personnel
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  a little bit um but again like you know again i go back to that
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  carrier brother
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  it's like we we value cutting we value guys that run we value
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  guys that crash the
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  SPEAKER_01: glass so those things sometimes don't come up in a stat sheet
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  SPEAKER_01: I always tell our guys,
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  the average fan is going to be excited about the shot that went
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  in or whatever it
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  SPEAKER_01: might be.
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  Well,
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  we're glorifying the cut that got the shot open or the screen
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  that got the shot open.
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  SPEAKER_01: And those guys know,
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  SPEAKER_01: again,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's part of carrying your brother as well,
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  SPEAKER_01: is being invested in each other and being excited for one another,
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  SPEAKER_01: each other's successes,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then being there for each other's failures.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: when we do bump our head,
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  because we're going to bump our head several times along this
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  journey individually
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  SPEAKER_01: and as a team.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think getting leadership, I meet with our captains.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have captains that are voted.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our players vote for them.
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  And I meet with those guys and they understand how important
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  that the culture is.
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  SPEAKER_01: The culture will create the final result at the end of the day.
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  But we have to do a good job of maintaining our culture and
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  fighting for it every single day.
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  but again it's a heck of a lot easier i'm always going to go
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  back to this and this
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  is the mistake you're always your kind of your experiences that
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  you've had i use
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  those core values and everything that we do and i don't know if
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  i did that at
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  savior you know i'll be honest with my experience there like
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  you sometimes can get
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  blinded by talent as we all do and culture doesn't mean isn't
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  character character
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  is a part of culture but it's not it's not culture it's not
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  just good people it's
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  SPEAKER_01: people that fit me
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  and fit how I want to do things and how I kind of envision our
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  program operating on
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  SPEAKER_01: a day-to-day basis.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think it starts with that, man.
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  When you get guys that fit those core values,
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  it seamlessly kind of happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes it a lot easier, man, in my opinion.
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  SPEAKER_00: The feedback.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: we talk about an education,
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  but I think coaches are figuring out like the feedback and the
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  rewarding of you did
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  SPEAKER_00: that behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's something that's a part of our culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Great job.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're 18 to 22 year olds.
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  And I know that they would like to think of themselves as grown
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  up adults,
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  SPEAKER_00: but they're almost sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is for adults, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: They love the they love the affirmation.
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  SPEAKER_00: They love rewarding it sometimes with silly things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've got over here,
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  SPEAKER_00: over my right shoulder,
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  we've got a bunch of figurines that we hand out every week that
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  are Marvel comics
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  SPEAKER_00: and DC comic figurines.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they each have assigned most deflections, the most whatever.
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  And at end of year meetings,
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  that was literally the number one thing that was mentioned.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, keep doing this.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Finding ways to reward and to give that feedback is
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  SPEAKER_00: How have you guys gone about doing that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because you just mentioned,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we all are like this,
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  SPEAKER_00: like how many points you score,
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  SPEAKER_00: how many rebounds you get,
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  SPEAKER_00: how many,
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  SPEAKER_00: but we all know it's the other stuff that usually is the deciding factor.
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  How do you reward those things and recognize those types of
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  things to reinforce
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  SPEAKER_00: those positive behaviors for your culture?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  we come up with things like we have our chain for after that we
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  give out every
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  SPEAKER_01: week.
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  in practice we call it egbs energy generating behaviors that
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  could be a loose ball
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  could be a deflection it could be how you sprint transition
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  what we call bolt right
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  for usain bolt um it could be a great cut right like you we
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  have this formula and
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  SPEAKER_01: at the end of the week who gets the chain our guys love it
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  SPEAKER_01: Our guys love that deal and they know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the ultimate sign of like,
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  SPEAKER_01: hey,
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  that this is important is are we playing those that that are
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  leading in those
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  SPEAKER_01: categories,
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  SPEAKER_01: which we do?
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  You know,
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  we play those guys that are that are high up in those
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  categories.
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  those that ultimately leads to winning we also do what we call
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  the miami way tony
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  so like and they got this again this is an old dean smith you
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  know thing you know a
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  long time ago man one of the best coaches obviously of all time
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  coach smith is just
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  we have this equation of you know i always tell everybody we
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  coaches play those
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  that they trust and those that are productive right consistency
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  is everything so we
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  SPEAKER_01: track everything live play
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether you make a two,
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  SPEAKER_01: you miss a two,
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  SPEAKER_01: you turn it over,
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  SPEAKER_01: your offensive rebound,
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  SPEAKER_01: your defensive rebound.
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  SPEAKER_01: So at every end of the week,
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  we always have what we call the gold jerseys given out to the
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  practice player.
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  SPEAKER_01: The weeks of practice is everything because we want to create a very,
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  SPEAKER_01: again,
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  SPEAKER_01: one of our core values competed every moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you come to our practice,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're going to see like your first thing is going to say,
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  SPEAKER_01: hey,
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  SPEAKER_01: man,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's a ton of energy in the building.
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  SPEAKER_01: And man, do they compete.
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  SPEAKER_01: We compete in everything that we do.
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  There's a winner and there's a loser to every drill we do,
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  every section of practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our guys compete.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have it up on a TV at practice.
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  It shows,
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  hey,
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  Tony has 190 points so far this week,
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  and Travis only has 180.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like me and you're going to battle.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know I'm close enough and I got to get you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then once I want to meet with our players,
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  SPEAKER_01: I can say,
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  SPEAKER_01: hey,
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  SPEAKER_01: listen,
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  like you're 10th on the team in our Miami waypoints through
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  four weeks of practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is four weeks of data, not just one week.
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  And it's like,
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  man,
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  if you want to be in our top nine,
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  you got to move up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: between that and our EGBs,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we can start to create and start to formulate our culture.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it helps the sides playing time, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because playing time is the greatest motivator.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's like if you can't say,
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  SPEAKER_01: hey,
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  SPEAKER_01: well,
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  cutting is really important and running is really important and
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  crashing or
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  SPEAKER_01: whatever it might be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you play a guy 33 minutes away.
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  SPEAKER_01: doesn't do any of those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that devalues now what you're trying to get done.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're blessed.
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  Listen,
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  some of our best players are,
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  I mean,
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  they fit that culture right to a tee.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it just makes it,
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  SPEAKER_01: everybody kind of falls in place,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially the freshmen when they're coming in.
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  I think there is no greater compliment than when somebody
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  communicates to me,
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  SPEAKER_00: a fan,
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  SPEAKER_00: somebody that watched our game,
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  SPEAKER_00: they communicate to me our core values,
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  either in the exact words that we use or something similar by
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  just watching the way
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  SPEAKER_00: that we play.
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  SPEAKER_00: How does that come out for you all?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll talk about just like the offensive side of things.
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  Like how does that translate to what happens when you guys are
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  running transition
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  SPEAKER_00: and half court offense?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: again,
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  SPEAKER_01: we talk about that carrying your brother and body,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: undeniable confidence.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our guys play with great swagger.
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  SPEAKER_01: I give our guys the green neon green light.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you earn that, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I tell everybody you have it's not given.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's earned through your work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Outside of practice,
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  SPEAKER_01: outside of hours that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: everybody's at the Division One level's got eight hours a week or,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the fall and the offseason during the season,
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  SPEAKER_01: you get 20 hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're going to do what everybody else is doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And how can you expect different results?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's insanity.
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  um so we track we have competitions going on outside of
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  practice and outside of
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  workouts and that gives you that green light so i want our guys
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  to play fearless
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  play fast and share the ball right like so i i would tell you
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  again our our defense
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  and our offense i think are both team it's so funny i think as
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  a coach sometimes we
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  SPEAKER_01: say okay well you know defensively
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we got to defend as a team.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then on offense,
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: we're just going to go take bad shots and,
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: run a set play every time down the floor.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it feels like it's my turn, your turn, my turn, your turn.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: But then on the other end, we got to be together.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: We got to guard.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I just don't think that can happen if the offensive end isn't right.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: In my opinion,
• 13:45
  it's really hard to give an honest effort on the defensive end
• 13:48
  and to be together
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: and guard the ball with all five guys and defend with all five,
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: all moving at the same time.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so like on offense,
• 13:59
  and you know we whether our force kind of behind the ball five
• 14:01
  behind the ball or
• 14:02
  both will kind of dictate what we're in and where's the ball
• 14:05
  where's the five and
• 14:07
  our guys love how we play it takes a long time tony to get good
• 14:10
  at it though it's
• 14:11
  all read react it's all about spacing but it's about passing
• 14:15
  passings are super
• 14:16
  power that's what i tell everybody man like if you know you
• 14:20
  just want to go iso
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: ball iso ball doesn't work because i would argue and being at this level
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: As far as what matters for us is March.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Our conference, we're in a one-bid league right now.
• 14:34
  Until the net rating changes and all that crap,
• 14:37
  which it probably won't,
• 14:39
  that'll never change.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care if we win 32 games.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're still not getting in that long.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: We get one bit out of our league, so we have to be good.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: We have to win three games in three days in Cleveland.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: How do we get to that point?
• 14:51
  How can we beat a team that we're going to see three times in
• 14:56
  the same year?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's hard to do, man.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: As you know,
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: that familiarity you get with the opponent,
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: it's,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: man,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: hey,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: I know this guy likes to catch.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: you know, whatever you're going to do.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we decided when I got here,
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: man,
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: we're going to have to play more conceptual,
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: be harder to guard,
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: be a little bit more random,
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: and not just as systematic and like cookie cutter.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really helped us going into March, you know.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: But it also promotes the care of your brother,
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: sharing the basketball,
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: like and playing the game the right way,
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: which then I think in turn helps your defense at the other end,
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: working as a team on that end.
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  SPEAKER_00: We talked about the current culture of college basketball,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: and because you have such fluidity,
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: guys coming in,
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: guys leaving,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: the unfortunate part is when you do a good job
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: of building players up and developing players,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: then they go to a P4 school and you're doing it again.
• 16:46
  When you have those players that are coming in and out and
• 16:49
  you're choosing to coach
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: the way that you and I are coaching is exactly what you said.
• 16:55
  It's difficult because we're choosing to not be robotic and
• 16:58
  keep our hands on the
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: joystick and move guys around.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: That makes them have to be the decision makers.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's, I think it's more than just decision making.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's also getting to know like what our style is actually going to be,
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: because I've talked to enough coaches talking,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: if we're talking about conceptual offense,
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: that can look very different from one coach to the next.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: How do you go about,
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: we're coming off right now at the time of this,
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: coming off the summer months where you install a lot of that.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: How far do you get with that?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: What are you emphasizing over the course of these two months?
• 17:34
  And then what does that look like when you pick it up again
• 17:37
  here once the fall starts?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Great question.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I have the right answers, Tony, or not.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: We put our whole flow game in, in the summer.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: We get eight weeks.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it really starts around with just spacing,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: just learning how to cut,
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: learning how to play out of ball screens,
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: learning how to play out of penetration.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I always kind of work backwards.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of start at the very end, okay, well, fellas,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: want to play with an advantage.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we get really good at playing with an advantage,
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: maybe five on four,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: five on four plus one where a guy that's kind of behind you,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:15
  you start to get the fender on you and then we're driving and
• 18:17
  we're kind of playing
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: how to keep the advantage,
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: how to re-space off penetration,
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: how to give the ball room.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we do that for a long time.
• 18:26
  And then we say,
• 18:27
  okay,
• 18:27
  now we got to figure out how we're going to create the
• 18:28
  advantage.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's through our pace,
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's a numbers advantage or a mismatch advantage,
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: or it could be through a screen.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: A ball screen, a zoom action or whatever, whatever your triggers are.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody, to your point, is different.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: But how are we going to create that advantage?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: So then we kind of go into that section.
• 18:49
  And again,
• 18:50
  and that takes a long time to get good at,
• 18:52
  because,
• 18:52
  again,
• 18:53
  it's all read,
• 18:53
  react.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: And to your point, we have five freshmen right now.
• 18:57
  which sometimes will make your head explode and I tell our
• 18:59
  staff like every day we
• 19:00
  got to be patient we have to teach them we let them play a lot
• 19:04
  in the summer five
• 19:05
  on five three on three four on four small side of games like we
• 19:09
  like to play and I
• 19:11
  think I think that it also allows me to watch our team which is
• 19:15
  good and if we need
• 19:15
  to make any adjustments kind of as we're going because I may
• 19:18
  have a great idea
• 19:19
  going into the season but then all of a sudden like I may say
• 19:22
  shoot man this
• 19:23
  guy's really way better than i thought he was going to be or we
• 19:26
  got to make an
• 19:27
  adjustment right so but we play a lot in the summer and we put
• 19:31
  the whole thing in
• 19:32
  and sometimes as you know as a coach i sometimes i don't know
• 19:36
  if i want to put
• 19:36
  something new in right now we're doing well because you know
• 19:39
  when you put something
• 19:40
  new in you're probably going to take two steps back but then
• 19:44
  you're going to take
• 19:45
  three or four steps forward we don't like taking those those
• 19:48
  steps back as a coach
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: the
• 19:53
  you know,
• 19:54
  struggle with stuff in order to take five or six steps forward.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we put our whole thing in and then we'll restart it back up.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: We won't play as much in the fall,
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: in the four week kind of like fall session before we start practice.
• 20:08
  We'll 5-0 it,
• 20:09
  we'll break it down,
• 20:10
  do different things like that in skill groups.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: really kind of focus on our defense.
• 20:14
  We don't put our defense,
• 20:15
  we don't even talk defense at all for one second the entire
• 20:19
  summer.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Christian Smith,
• 20:20
  my defensive coordinator is losing his mind over on the
• 20:22
  sidelines and it during the
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: summer.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: But we will start to really put our half core defense in in the fall.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: We made that switch a couple of years ago,
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't know that everybody would agree,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: but I always felt,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: and I think this was a Dean Smith thing,
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: and like he always said,
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: your defense will catch up.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: But if you get too far behind offensively,
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think even the way that we're coaching now,
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: then you're going to be in trouble the rest of the year.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: You talked about the triggers.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: You talked about the actions.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Those that follow me on social,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: like I love a new action or a combination of an action,
• 20:53
  but I also don't want to give the wrong impression because the
• 20:57
  idea of like,
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: We as coaches all love this.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm going to add that.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to add that.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to add that.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: And when you coach conceptually,
• 21:05
  you can almost go into overload in regards to what all you
• 21:09
  could potentially add.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: What restrictions have you put on yourself?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: And what even have you found?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I really like these.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: This gives us the most bang for our buck.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's sometimes where I see something like, I really like that.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, well, we already have this.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: And this does this and that.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really need that kind of thing.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you battle that as a coach a lot.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: I know I do.
• 21:32
  And it's like,
• 21:33
  you know,
• 21:33
  it's because there is so much information out there nowadays.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so many good coaches.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: There really are, man.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: The game is, I mean, college basketball, high school.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing what you're seeing happening.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful to watch.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think you just got to pick.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Again,
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: for example,
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: like for this year coming up,
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: like we have Antoine Woolfolk,
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: who's a returning big man.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think he could be the best.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: we probably didn't play through him enough in the low post last year.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now we had different personnel.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we've made a huge point of emphasis of,
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: of,
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: of changing a trigger for us when,
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: when he's at the rim to make him more of a priority,
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: get him the ball,
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: And,
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: so again,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: we change it a little bit year,
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: a year,
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: a little bit,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: we'll tinker with it around our personnel,
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: kind of what I think maybe are the strengths and weaknesses of our team.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Cause every team,
• 22:22
  got them right there's no team in the country um i don't care
• 22:26
  even florida was
• 22:27
  really good last year coach golden did a great job every team's
• 22:30
  got weaknesses oh
• 22:31
  man and it's like how are you hiding those and how you bringing
• 22:34
  those strengths to
• 22:35
  the forefront you know but i do struggle sometimes with doing
• 22:39
  too much but i also
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: man i don't want to put a ceiling on our guys
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes as a coach,
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I used to think,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: our guys just aren't going to be able to pick this up.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: They ain't going to be able to do it.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's too much.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you let the guys kind of play with it a little bit,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: they get excited about it because then they start figuring it out.
• 22:57
  It's kind of like,
• 22:58
  okay,
• 22:59
  I can do this and I can do that out of this one little trigger.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, yeah, yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: You'd be a player,
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: to your point,
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: don't be that robot,
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: take what the defense gives you,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: use your basketball IQ.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: we,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: we have a lot of,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: and we'll tell you that like we are,
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: ours is very layered and there's a lot of movement.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's a
• 23:18
  of cutting and but our guys know how to fix it because i think
• 23:22
  the fix it piece can
• 23:23
  sometimes be the hardest thing tony in my opinion like with
• 23:27
  with flow games and
• 23:28
  with like conceptual it's like okay well if the train gets off
• 23:31
  the tracks right how
• 23:33
  do we get it back on right and and i think that that takes in
• 23:38
  my opinion a little
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: time to get good at
• 23:42
  Because we don't want to pull the ball back out and let your
• 23:45
  defense get set and
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: restart the whole possession over with 10 seconds on the shot clock.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: We want to go next action, next, next, next, next, next.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that can take a little bit of time.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you've got to be patient as a coach and show film and do it again.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they're going to probably struggle it again, but then keep doing it.
• 24:05
  And then all of a sudden,
• 24:06
  it will kind of smooth out and get back on the tracks.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: What have you found to be kind of the answer to that?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like kind of for us,
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: it's been getting back to a shape that looks a space on the floor,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: but it may be,
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: you may have found something else other than that.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we practice it.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll five on O that.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'll start it messy on purpose.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: And,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: and Hey,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: listen,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: we got to fix this,
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: because that's,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: that's again,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I look,
• 24:34
  my i'm not a great i'm not a big car guy so if my car breaks
• 24:39
  down on the side of
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: the road i'm screwed i'm gonna let
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not getting out of my car.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to change a tire.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: I probably should, but I don't.
• 24:50
  My point is,
• 24:51
  the people that can fix things live,
• 24:54
  those are the really good ones.
• 24:55
  Now,
• 24:55
  you need a couple players that can have the IQ to be able to
• 24:59
  ignite it in a lot of ways.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: But we started messy a lot.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: We found that that's been really good in different shapes, to your point.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, hey, if the ball's here and this is the space on the floor,
• 25:11
  this is what you can do it's not what you have to do but this
• 25:14
  is a way to fix it
• 25:16
  you know like and and we'll try to find ways that maybe if
• 25:19
  there's consistent ways
• 25:20
  to watch and film like yeah our guys are really struggling with
• 25:22
  this right here
• 25:24
  like this when the ball's in this position with the shape on
• 25:26
  the floor how can we
• 25:27
  help them give them a solution so that we've done that a lot
• 25:31
  and it's been good for
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: us and we'll do that live as well just start it messy towards not a
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: you know, cookie cutter and like this in a Petri dish, this is perfect.
• 25:41
  No,
• 25:42
  we started messy a lot with how we play before we start going
• 25:45
  up and down.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: You had guys last year that could shoot the ball.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the shots as I was watching film,
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: they weren't bad shots,
• 25:54
  but they weren't shots that my guys were going to take because
• 25:57
  they couldn't hit
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: them.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Your guys could take them because they were going to make them.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: You said at the beginning you give them a ton of freedom,
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: and I think we all love to give our guys a ton of freedom.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, that's earned.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: How do they earn that?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: How do you teach shot selection?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: And hopefully it's more than just recruit good shooters.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I would say we do recruit good shooters.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you can't shoot, you probably can't play for me.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I think, you know, we talked about, like,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: every week.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Coach Holmes does a great job on our staff.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was a good shooter himself.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: He played at Carolina.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't play.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: He was on the team.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: He was on scholarship, but he was behind some
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: He was behind Raymond Felton and all these guys.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he does a great job coming up and shooting games for our guys.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: We have a winner every week, different games.
• 26:50
  But also,
• 26:52
  we track makes outside of workouts,
• 26:54
  outside of the required hours.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we did our summer shooting challenge this past year.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: So we put that on front street, like where you are.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: And like your bare minimum,
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: bare minimum,
• 27:06
  you better be making 8,000 threes outside of our workouts in an
• 27:09
  eight week.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Now we have certain guys up around 20,000.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: So we track it, but we spend time on it.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: You get what you emphasize.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Fall, we're going to do our fall shooting challenge for four weeks.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: All right, we're going to get a winner.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're going to get a winner for winter.
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  SPEAKER_01: We do during in-season.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: We track that as well.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then obviously spring as well.
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  So we kind of break it down to kind of four-season approach as
• 27:33
  far as our shooting
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: challenges outside of ours.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: We give our guys great freedom.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, we do.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think this was a Jay Wright deal was,
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: hey,
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: you're never going to be more open than you are on the catch.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so much truth to it.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: We practice.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: So like,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: rather than just kind of shooting the ball,
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: firing a ball at a guy and just getting a bunch of just,
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: jump shots.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: We do that too.
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  But then we'll a lot of times have a manager or somebody have
• 28:04
  one of those,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what they're called.
• 28:06
  One of the pads are kind of extended out,
• 28:08
  just lit contest on every one of those.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: So our guys can get used to shooting that shot because the good offenses,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: when you pass up a good shot,
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: You're either turning it over or you're taking a bad shot.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to catch.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: You have to have dangerous catches is what we call them.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: To me, that's a huge fundamental in offense.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like landing on two is huge in the paint.
• 28:31
  Dangerous catches,
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  your eyes on the rim,
• 28:34
  your intent when you catch the ball every time.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: is to shoot it, is to let it fly.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now that doesn't mean you have to shoot it, right?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like if the pass was off a little bit up high, I don't like that.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like we,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: again,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: we're a really good passing team and we want to throw strikes on passes,
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: but like,
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: or if the guy closed out too hard,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: now it sets up,
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: now the guy has to guard me because,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: he closed out hard on me.
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  So I think teaching guys that that's when you're going to be
• 29:00
  probably most open.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Practicing those semi-contested shots are really important.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you talk about shot selection.
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  Listen,
• 29:09
  we track every shot for our guys during live play,
• 29:12
  starting in the summer.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll have you,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Tony,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: say,
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to make this up,
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: but say you've taken 100 shots,
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: and I don't know,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: 30 of them are threes,
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: and you're shooting at a 36%.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: say, I don't know, 20 of your shots are paint twos, right?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: And say you're shooting that at a 55% clip,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: and then the other 50 are non-paint twos,
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: and you're shooting 20%.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll bring you in,
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Tony,
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: in my individual player meeting,
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm just going to say,
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: hey,
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: listen,
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: this is all the data from eight weeks.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't one week.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:49
  So like,
• 29:50
  where do you think you should be shooting at if we're trying to
• 29:52
  win?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, obviously 36% from three.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's over 1.0 per shot.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those twos, 55.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Those non-paint twos, we're shooting a little bit lower of a percentage.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 30:06
  so maybe we take those mid-range three jumpers and we push a
• 30:10
  few more over to
• 30:11
  threes right and maybe push a few more to the paint tubes right
• 30:15
  like and i'm trying
• 30:16
  to show them how we can change their efficiency levels and i
• 30:20
  think just and then we
• 30:21
  do that as a whole as a team as well what are we shooting from
• 30:23
  three where we
• 30:24
  should paint twos and non-paint twos and our guys listen this
• 30:27
  isn't me picking on
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: you we're trying to win
• 30:30
  Now,
• 30:31
  listen,
• 30:31
  there may be a guy on our team that's shooting 52% from
• 30:35
  non-paint twos.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm great with that shot then.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm all good.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm for whatever is efficient.
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  And I think our guys know that and they trust that and they
• 30:45
  trust one another.
• 30:46
  Now,
• 30:47
  listen,
• 30:47
  at the end of the clock,
• 30:48
  if we got to go,
• 30:49
  if I can get a non-paint two that
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: If it's an open shot, it's an open shot.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I think as coaches, we say, hey, threes and layups.
• 31:02
  And then it's like,
• 31:02
  man,
• 31:03
  to me,
• 31:03
  it's about getting open shots with guys that can make them.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And not everybody's the same.
• 31:09
  So how Cam Craft maybe took some threes may be very different
• 31:14
  than Mekhi Cooper last year.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: And that's OK.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: And those guys all understand that and they all trust each other.
• 31:22
  And again,
• 31:23
  I think that and then I coach them towards that,
• 31:25
  though,
• 31:25
  and I hold them accountable.
• 31:27
  So we meet on this weekly and I let them know kind of where
• 31:31
  they are practice wise,
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Miami waypoints.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: I let them know where they are shots.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: I call it their shot spectrum.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: How they're doing with their shot chart,
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: kind of where we can maybe help them increase their efficiency.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because as a player,
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: as long as you know,
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: number one,
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: that the coach is keeping winning at the forefront.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: And number two, this guy's trying to help me.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's really important.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Then they will listen.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: But if they feel like, hey, it's just, hey, you're picking on me.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're taking my game away from me.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to start to lose them.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: Lose that trust.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you mentioned the open shot.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Take it right away.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: That was eye opening to me.
• 32:07
  I went back and watch film and just to see how many times the
• 32:11
  shot that we passed
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: up two or three seconds later,
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: the shot that we ended up taking was just such a less efficient shot.
• 32:19
  And that was so eye opening to the guys,
• 32:21
  too,
• 32:22
  when I was able to show them the full possession.
• 32:25
  Because I think sometimes our conversations are in isolation
• 32:28
  like this shot,
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: but we don't,
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 32:31
  take into consideration what happened either before it or what
• 32:34
  happened after it.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: And to your point, that changed also the conversations that I had.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of coaches, especially younger, are absolute coaches.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Don't ever do this.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: We don't take jump shots.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Don't take a pull-up shot.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: And to your point, each guy is different.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: That changed the way I talked to them.
• 32:51
  And then it also changed the way my perspective was in regards
• 32:55
  to me versus them,
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: that the conversations were very me,
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: my opinion versus their opinion.
• 33:01
  And that's where it became this butting of heads because both
• 33:05
  of us had a point,
• 33:06
  but yeah.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know, I was the coach and that was the shot you needed to take.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad you mentioned the individual player meetings.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk a little bit more about what those,
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: the stuff that we just talked about,
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: both of us,
• 33:17
  like what kinds of things are you saying in those and what are
• 33:21
  you doing to help
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: them leave each meeting with more than just,
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: this is where you stand,
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: but how can I actually help you get better?
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: And how can you help our team
• 33:32
  become a better team the communication piece is so important
• 33:36
  you know as a coach i
• 33:37
  think you get you get kind of taking a lot of different pulled
• 33:40
  different directions
• 33:42
  but the most important thing is is that trust with your players
• 33:46
  it's everything and
• 33:47
  i think just being on the same page is huge and showing number
• 33:51
  one letting them
• 33:51
  know where they stand and not making it gray man that stinks as
• 33:55
  a player when
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: things are gray
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: It just does.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: I want to give great transparency to our guys so that on game night,
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: first game,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: it's not like,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: oh my God,
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not playing.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Coach hasn't told me.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't really, wasn't really clear.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm going to be very clear with you.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Secondly, and I think this is how can we help them?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll use like, for example, like the Miami Way stat sheet.
• 34:18
  We'll have that up there and saying,
• 34:19
  hey,
• 34:19
  listen,
• 34:20
  Tony,
• 34:20
  you lead us in turnovers right now.
• 34:22
  Okay,
• 34:22
  now let's look at,
• 34:23
  because that's a negative two every time you turn the ball
• 34:25
  over.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: So
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: How can we help you in this area?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Let's categorize your turnovers.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: How are you turning the ball over?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is it out of all screens?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Is it when you drive the ball?
• 34:35
  You're playing off of one foot or,
• 34:37
  you know,
• 34:37
  there could be a myriad of things,
• 34:38
  right?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like traveling.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: It could be footwork.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let's figure out.
• 34:45
  your productivity and help our team and it's going to help you
• 34:47
  get on the floor
• 34:49
  right and then i usually have our the position coach strength
• 34:53
  coach myself and and
• 34:56
  the player in there and then i'll tell them like hey here's the
• 34:59
  here's the two
• 34:59
  things i really want to focus on over the next week these are
• 35:02
  the two things i want
• 35:03
  you to be locked in on and then i'll also go over like whatever
• 35:06
  shooting challenge
• 35:07
  we're in period of the year whether it's fall winter you know
• 35:10
  hey just so you know
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: tony you're in you're in ninth place
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Just know that I know.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, like, listen, it's earned.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, everything's earned.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: And same thing in the weight room.
• 35:22
  And it's time to,
• 35:23
  like,
• 35:23
  say,
• 35:23
  hey,
• 35:23
  listen,
• 35:25
  you know,
• 35:25
  and our trainer will be in there.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Is he doing everything he needs to do?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and is the young man getting everything he needs?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't want there to go a week by this.
• 35:39
  didn't know he didn't say anything to me so it gives them an
• 35:41
  opportunity to say
• 35:42
  something in that meeting if they're if they're not getting
• 35:45
  something that they
• 35:46
  need and same thing with strength coach you know it's like hey
• 35:49
  are we are we
• 35:50
  progressing body wise you know i want to see numbers that we
• 35:53
  hold our strength
• 35:54
  coach accountable just like i hold myself accountable just like
• 35:57
  i hold jonathan
• 35:58
  holmes or whoever players whatever player it is accountable to
• 36:02
  getting better right
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: because it is about like we take a lot of pride tony in in
• 36:07
  I hope you can see great progress from like Evan Ipsaro who's
• 36:11
  going into his junior
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: year for us.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: how much better his body's gotten,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: how much better his game's gotten,
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: his life,
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: just his ability to organize.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, man, same thing with Ian Elmer, who's a third-year junior for us.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: to see the progress that he's made in his life academically,
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: basketball,
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: body,
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: it's like,
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: man,
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: that's what strikes my passion.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love, and that's why I coach.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing better.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's the enjoyment that I get is,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: man,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: you just see how much better guys are getting just holistically.
• 36:50
  And so that's what those meetings are for is just to keep
• 36:52
  everybody on the same
• 36:53
  page and give them some solutions to how I can help them help
• 36:57
  us win and how,
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: how can we,
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: and if they're not getting better than why,
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: like let's,
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: let's talk about the why let's just get that out on,
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: out on the,
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: on the table,
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: just so we're all on the same page.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned the Miami way sheet a couple of times.
• 37:14
  Would you mind explaining all of that and then how that factors
• 37:18
  into the awards and
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: things that you guys give out?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's just an equation.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, obviously, if you make a two, Tony, you get plus two.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: You make a three, you get plus three.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: But if you miss, you get minus one.
• 37:30
  Because our goal is to shoot at least 50% from two and at least
• 37:33
  33 from three,
• 37:35
  bare minimum.
• 37:36
  You get plus one for a defensive rebound,
• 37:39
  plus two for an offensive rebound.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: You will get minus, you'll get plus one for getting fouled.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: We like to have a good free throw rate, try to get the free throw line.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: You will get a minus one for fouling.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's a negative if you're fouling, though.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's not good.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting a minus two for turnovers.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: You will get, for deflection, you'll get a plus one.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: That can include like a block, steal, loose ball, deflection on the ball.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: You get a plus two for any team win.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: So like if you're in like that section of practice,
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: we're going red versus white,
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: there's going to be a winner.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then we restart the score in the next section.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: of practice, if that makes sense.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: You may have an opportunity as a young man to get five wins in that day.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Usually, we'll tell them where they are.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Series is 2-2 or series is 3-1.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: They're kicking your tail right now.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: What's your response going to be?
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: Again, you'll get that for a win, for a team win.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Then at the end of the week, we track this every live play.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Only live play stuff.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: You track it.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you start to see assists.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: You get a plus one.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: I should have said that one.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: You get to see who's productive.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: on your team.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: So again, and who's consistent and it's not just a one week deal.
• 38:51
  So I tell guys we get the practice with NCAA gives us way too
• 38:54
  long to practice in the fall.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: they give us six weeks and it seems like every team,
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: every coach I talk to has got a million injuries and,
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: we practice for way too long,
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: but you get six weeks of data right there.
• 39:06
  That's going to tell you who your most productive guys are who
• 39:08
  can be consistent.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then our EGBs, we track
• 39:13
  as well so you for the Miami way you get the gold jersey so if
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  you win it Tony from
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  week one that week two you're wearing a gold jersey you have a
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  whole presentation
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  the whole deal and then the EGBs would be like hey deflections
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  loose balls setting
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  a screen cutting slash running the floor you know we call we
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  call ups so again like
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  calling out a teammate could also be calling up a teammate like
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  again I like when
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  SPEAKER_01: got you know we track touches as well
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  SPEAKER_01: So we have a manager that solely tracks EGBs during practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's all they do because they can go quick.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got to be able to really track it very quickly,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's got to be and it's got to be correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you
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  SPEAKER_01: important to them, they want to win, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So again,
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  SPEAKER_01: we let those guys,
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  SPEAKER_01: so when we do these individual meetings,
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  SPEAKER_01: we go over Miami Way,
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  SPEAKER_01: we go over the EGPs,
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  SPEAKER_01: where you are yet.
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  It's just a good way to hold guys accountable and keep them
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  kind of going in the
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  SPEAKER_01: right direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: Last thing I'll wrap up with this.
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  When you go from a season where you've had the most wins in
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  school history,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're knocking right on the door of the NCAA tournament.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you come back the next year?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you're so close to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, the goal is to get to the NCAA tournament.
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  SPEAKER_00: But how do you replicate that?
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  when you do have so many young guys but you also have this
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  group that they know
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  what it takes and they know how close you were to achieving
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  that yeah it was a hard
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  moment last year tony it was we had a great group it was a fun
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  journey man
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my gosh.
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  Maybe one of the most fun journeys I've ever been on with a
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  group of young men.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just special guys, really special guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a tough way to lose at the end against Akron.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's my brother, by the way, John Gross.
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  SPEAKER_01: Family reunions have been tough this year for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, we led for, shoot, 39 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fifty seven seconds, you know, but things happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like I told those guys at the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of emotions in that locker room, but a very hard moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we're built for this.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll respond.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know we have in that locker room.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  it doesn't take away from the journey that we went on as a
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  team.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was just an absolute, it was again, just so much fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: The connectivity our group has is elite.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of led into the spring,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: like I,
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  SPEAKER_01: Evan Ibsaro,
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  SPEAKER_01: who was a captain,
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  SPEAKER_01: Peter Suter,
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  SPEAKER_01: who was a captain,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: we got Ian Elmer back,
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  SPEAKER_01: got Brant Byers back.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got Antoine Wolfolk back.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got Luke Skowjack back.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we got six absolute studs back.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got Jackson Kentucky back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's really important for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like,
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  SPEAKER_01: We got a lot of guys back.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think you look at the spring.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought we had the best spring we've ever had here this past spring.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could tell how motivated our guys were.
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  And sometimes you've got to go through those hard moments that
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  we went through last
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  SPEAKER_01: year in the MAAC championship game there in Cleveland.
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  will help prepare us better next time it really will but but
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  like i told the guys
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  my whole my whole rather than just thinking about winning a
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  match championship or
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  you know advancing how are we going to do it we got to have
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  great leadership we got
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  to have an incredible culture incredible which will then which
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  will then drive our
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  behaviors which then will produce a result that we get at the
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  end of the day we
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  SPEAKER_01: can't skip any
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  SPEAKER_01: seven guys returning and scholarship.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, you can't stay.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all of a sudden,
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  SPEAKER_01: just because we were good last year,
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  SPEAKER_01: doesn't mean we're going to be good this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got to earn that right.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got to earn that right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we have these five freshmen and we have one transfer.
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  SPEAKER_01: We only brought in one transfer out of the portal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, you've got all these new guys that are thrusted in here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I,
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  SPEAKER_01: No, we've got to earn that right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's my job to set that tone for how it's going to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, my job is so easy, Tony.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get the easiest guys in America to coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: I listen to Evan Ipsaro talk sometimes to his teammates and it's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: man,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's exactly what the heck I would say.
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, or Ian Elmer, you know, or guys that have been in the suit.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, golly, it's like, man, how powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes my job pretty darn easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: But those guys are driven.
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  SPEAKER_01: They want to win and they want to win big.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, makes my job easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm fortunate.
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  SPEAKER_00: This has been great.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love the intentionality with everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that others will benefit, but I probably benefited more.
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  I'm planning to go back and listen to it one more time even
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  before I post this.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm excited for you guys,
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  SPEAKER_00: excited to follow along this year,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: and appreciate you taking the time to come on the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, thanks for sharing the game and making the game better.