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#242: Trap (2024) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  Nope, mom, she doesn't care about the carpet.
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  Well, good. What's your least scary movie?
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  The podcast where we talk about the good, the bad, the ugly and
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  the absurd and all of our favorite.
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  And least favorite? Scary movies.
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  Because we believe every horror movie rightfully has this fan
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  base. Even if we don't always get it.
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  My name is Travis. My name is Jesse and welcome to
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  your new month. Yep, and you know what's what?
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  Is it? Yeah.
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  So excited about it. I don't think I really have much
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  by the way of new announcements other than we've got to finish
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  up our screen, screen mini reviews.
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  Yeah, we got that. So OK, let's just go right on
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  into that then. OK.
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  So our screen screen, we last left you guys off on Hatchet 3.
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  So on the 26th we did Belko experiment.
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  Yes. I just, I don't know, I just
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  felt like watching it there. There wasn't like really a
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  particular reason, but I always forgot how good the cast is
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  until I'm watching it and then I'm like, oh man.
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  I think it's funny that you feel like you need to justify it
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  further than you wanted to watch it.
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  Well, yeah, it's a fun. Movie.
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  I didn't feel like I needed to justify it.
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  I was just explaining. There wasn't anything other than
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  that. Oh.
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  OK, well after that it was my pick.
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  I did see No Evil 2 and yeah, it's I can't.
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  It's one of those ones that I am in disbelief of how recent or
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  release it is, but it's a decent little movie.
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  It's OK. It's it's good for someone to
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  just throw on. I like it and I prefer it to the
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  first one. Yeah, I haven't watched the
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  first one since I was in middle school.
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  It's. The point of contention between
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  us, yeah. All right, next was a new pic
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  from Jesse. It was Ouija, originally it was
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  going to be tarot but the fucking assholes over at Netflix
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  are like Oh well you've got the cheapo plan with ads so fuck you
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  and your choices. Yeah, so that's some bullshit.
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  They walk it behind certain tiers of the plans that was not
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  discussed. Ads, fine, whatever, fuck it.
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  But like, if you're going to start walking shit behind that,
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  no, that's not cool. Yeah, don't like it.
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  Yeah, so I was like, well, let's find something else.
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  And I'd never seen Weegee, and I'd heard plenty about it, and I
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  wanted to watch it. I've heard that the sequel,
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  prequel, a lot of people say it's better, but I don't wanna
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  watch this one. That's what.
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  We did, you know, it wasn't as bad as people talk get up to be.
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  It was, I mean, it was kind of hokey at times, but other than
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  that I thought it was OK. Like everybody acts like the
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  movie, like personally slapped them or something, but like,
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  like, it was fine. It was a decent thing to have on
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  while we were putting on Halloween makeup.
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  Yeah, I thought it was good. It was a good time.
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  All right, then we threw on my new pic, which was Night of the
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  Demons remake. Yeah.
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  So that was a fun time. I was just curious because I'd
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  seen it around and I wanted to know what a modern take would
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  be. And, you know, if you're worried
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  that it's a beat for beat, don't beat, because it's entirely its
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  own thing. They had fun with it.
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  I like the cast. I thought it was pretty good.
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  They kept enough of the spirit that it feels like it deserves
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  to be called a remake, but it's not like it does new things with
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  it. And I think that's.
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  It was fun to watch. It made it its own thing.
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  Yeah. Phil.
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  Yeah. It was a good time.
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  I liked it. Yeah.
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  OK. Then we had a neutral pick.
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  We went and saw smile too. Yeah.
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  It was everything I wanted it to be, honestly.
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  Yeah, it was really, really good.
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  I I was super impressed with it. I really enjoyed it.
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  I liked that it immediately picked up where the last one
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  left off without explaining anything it was.
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  Funny, that was cool. I'd had this conversation with
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  my mom. I was like, yeah, we're going to
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  go see Smile too. And she was like, I saw I wanna
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  see the first one. And I was like, well, I'll let
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  you know if this is one that you absolutely have to see the first
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  one before or not. And I texted her after it.
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  I was like, can confirm, Absolutely must watch the first
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  one or you're gonna be lost. You're gonna be.
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  So I mean, they kind of explain the things.
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  You could kind of watch this movie as its own separate thing,
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  but you're not gonna get the opening 5 minutes at least.
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  Yeah, you're not gonna get the opening 5 minutes.
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  And also when that one character comes in and gives the brief
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  background, it feels if this was your first time watching it, it
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  would feel unearned. As opposed to like in the first
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  one where you're going through the process of learning the
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  backgrounds. Whereas this feels kind of like
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  exposition dump, but it's really just there because the audience
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  is otherwise going to be like, well, how is she gonna figure
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  out what's going on? You know what I mean?
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  Yeah, it was, it was good. I recommend it to anybody.
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  Yeah, that wants to watch that. It was a lot of fun and we
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  actually watched that before coming home and watching Trap,
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  and that was kind of a really awesome double feature.
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  It was so fitting. It was such a good pairing.
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  OK. And then that brings us to
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  Halloween, which is our tradition.
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  We always do the same movies on Halloween and then we, you know,
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  if we run out of them, we throw some on top.
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  But we did trick or treat. As trick or treating was going
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  on. Yes, and Halloween, the
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  original, you know, you got to do those.
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  Yeah, it's Halloween tradition. It is for us at Yeah, you know,
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  at least. So yeah, that was our Scream
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  screen. Those are the movies that we
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  watched all throughout October. We will hit you guys up again
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  with this whenever he gets back to October next year.
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  Yep. So yeah.
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  But before then, before then, we've seen a lot of.
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  Movies to talk about? I don't have polls.
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  Nope. For today again.
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  I just dropped the ball. It's just been another weird
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  week. And you know, that's a lame
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  excuse, but it was. It's true, yeah.
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  It's been, it's been kind of wild over here.
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  But look, I'll get him next week.
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  At least we had the screen, screen stuff to discuss
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  beforehand. Yeah, we won't have that next
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  week. So I'll have it next week for
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  sure. OK, so trap.
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  OK Trap Trap released August 2nd of 2024.
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  We watched it on Max but right now you can also watch it on
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  YouTube, Prime Time, YouTube TV Premium, Hulu Premium, Prime
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  Premium or you can rent it from Fandango at home or Google Play.
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  Written and directed by M Night Shyamalan.
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  Music by Erdis Stefan's daughter.
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  But Salika Shyamalan did write Lady Raven songs.
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  Some of them were like solo compositions and some had like
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  additional writers. So just throwing that out there.
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  I'll talk a little bit more about it in the fun Facts, OK?
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  Cuz I yeah, I had some questions.
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  Yeah, Starring Josh Hartnett as Cooper, Ariel Donahue as Riley,
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  Salika Shyamalan as Lady Raven, Allison Pill is Rachel, Hayley
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  Mills is Doctor Josephine Grant, and Jonathan Langdon as Jamie
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  Travis. Yeah, time for our favorite game
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  budget. This screams budget.
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  Absolutely. Because M Night commands a
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  budget. Yes, and you know he was doing
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  his whole self funding thing. It was his production studio, so
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  so. He's gonna go hard on.
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  It yeah, it was a $30 million budget.
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  I mean, Can you imagine just alone the amount of extras
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  needed for this? Movie.
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  Oh, right, it's. Insane.
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  Oh, and something fun about that that'll be coming up here.
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  Shortly hold. On.
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  So wait, what was the budget? 30 million. 30 million, OK, one
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  that's pretty good. Opening box office of 15,000,000
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  in a worldwide gross of 82,000,000.
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  IMDb score of 5.9 out of 10. OK, it did pretty good.
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  What was the IMDb? 5.9.
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  That's not bad. It's.
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  Not bad, but I feel like before there's so much more.
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  I think before when we first watched this movie, it sat right
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  on the five. It's teetering a little bit more
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  towards the positive side. That's true.
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  That's true. Yeah.
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  OK. I've pulled three other movies
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  from this year and my overarching theme is seems
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  inefficient. Seems inefficient.
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  Cuz setting the whole FBI trap to catch one man.
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  At a concert. Out of 30,000 people seems kind
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  of inefficient. It does.
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  Yeah, so the first one I have is Lisa Frankenstein and the manner
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  in which they bring Cole Sprouse back to life.
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  Bit rugged seems seems inefficient.
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  Yeah, I, I. Was that 2024?
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  Did I? Yeah.
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  Come out. Yep, in fact, February 9th,
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  2024. That feels like a 2023 movie.
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  It does, doesn't it? Yeah, it's been simultaneously
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  and incredibly long and incredibly short year.
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  No, that happens every year there.
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  Every year. I'm always surprised by the
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  early month releases. I'm like damn, really?
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  OK Budget of 13 million and a worldwide gross of 9.9 million.
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  IMDb score of 6.1 out of 10. Wow, I'm surprised that movie
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  only made 9 million. Yeah, I feel like it didn't stay
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  in theaters nearly long enough because I remember wanting to
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  see it and we didn't even get a chance to.
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  Yeah, you're right. I think I do remember that.
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  So yeah, we had to wait for Peacock.
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  Yeah. And it's not usually hard for us
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  to be able to see a release here in town because.
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  We Yeah, good releases here. Yeah, good Windows.
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  The next 1 is long legs. Again, we've used that for every
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  2024 movie. However, you have to agree that
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  it seems inefficient to pick one random new agent and say it
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  seems like maybe you have ESP. You know, you're right.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So that released July 12th, 2024.
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  Don't have a budget, but a worldwide gross of 109 million
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  and an IMDb score of 6.7 out of 10.
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  OK. And then finally I've got The
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  Strangers chapter 1. Again.
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  Because of how they got the couple trapped in town and there
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  was just too much going on to get these two like bland white
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  folks stuck in this house. Yeah, yeah.
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  You know, that's one I, I'm really interested in seeing the
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  follow-ups on. Yeah.
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  We're running out of time, that sequence.
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  I've got to be out this year. Apparently they've had to.
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  They've went and done reshoots. Oh boy.
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  Because of the leaks of the identities of the killers.
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  Oh boy. OK 'cause I mean we saw the IMDb
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  like the IMDb credits were even the characters names.
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  Yeah, 'cause we were like, wait, no, we.
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  Don't. Yeah, Come on.
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  That doesn't sound. Yeah, it doesn't seem.
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  Yeah. So apparently they're retooling
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  some stuff with that, which kind of sucks for them since they
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  already had it all filmed. How the fuck did that leak I?
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  We'll find out more when we cover that series, whenever that
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  comes out down the line. Yeah so The Strangers chapter 1
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  released May 17th 2024 budget of 8.5 million worldwide gross of
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  47 million IMDb score 4.6 out of 10.
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  Once again I'm going to plug the fact that we did like a mini
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  review on this one on the Patreon.
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  If you are a budget tier patron, you can listen to that if you
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  sign up to be a budget to your Patreon.
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  Hey, and you can listen to that if you want some positive
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  thoughts on that. I get to share some on there
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  because I didn't hate this movie as much as everybody.
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  I I maintain if I had known going into it that it was a
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  remake, I would've liked it a lot better.
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  Yeah, I had. I had no clue.
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  I thought we were getting a prequel.
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  I get it. Well, if you want more of that,
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  go to the Patreon episode. We we hash it out there pretty
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  heavily. OK, I've only got 2 tag lines.
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  Only two. Both on the poster, are they?
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  Yeah, lame. I'll start with the lamer one
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  first. A new M Night Shyamalan
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  experience. Whoa, damn.
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  Damn, he's so good. OK.
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  And then 30,000 fans, 300 cops, 1 serial killer, no escape.
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  That's kind of good. More than 300 cops, though.
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  I don't know. It feels probably more than 300.
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  Hmm, 350, I'll give you that. OK.
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  Yeah, we'll give you 50 more just to top it off.
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  OK, I got some fun facts. OK, you got what?
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  Yeah, I got, I got a lot, you know, we kind of debated because
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  I really didn't want to wait to cover this anymore.
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  And Travis was like, well, if we wait till we get the disc, then
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  we'll have behind the scenes stuff.
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  But I was able to find quite a bit online.
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  OK, so there were a few different inspirations for this
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  movie. One of the inspirations was
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  something called Operation Flagship, which was a 1985 sting
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  operation where 101 fugitives were arrested at a Convention
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  Center that they had all been invited, the two under the
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  pretense of receiving free NFL tickets and the chance to win an
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  all expenses paid trip to Super Bowl.
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  Tony, if it sounds too good to be true.
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  God, that's so funny. Can you imagine getting conned
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  like that? Even being a fugitive wanted by
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  the law and then you randomly are like hey, free NFL tickets.
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  Dude, it's like, yeah, whenever I get the fucking Flyers in the
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  mail, it's like, you won $1,000,000 and I'm like, I don't
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  know about that. I was also partially inspired by
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  Prince making the titular album to go along with the film Purple
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  Rain in 1984. So M Night and Silica, we're
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  talking about doing something that, like, you know, combines
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  the concert experience with a theatrical experience.
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  And he actually originally planned to just, like, sell the
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  idea of the thriller to a different person to write and
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  direct it. And then when he thought about
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  it, he was like, well, I can just do this myself and work
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  with my daughter. You know, I I hear the same
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  story every fucking time we cover in M Night movies.
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  Like, well, I thought about giving this to somebody else,
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  and then I thought, wait a minute, I'm the director.
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  I just like, you know, for the people that say that this was
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  made explicitly to give her spotlight, it that wasn't
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  originally the plan. So yeah.
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  She actually, Jesse just stuck her tongue out at you people.
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  I just want you to know that. And you want to know how he
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  pitched it to some of the distribution companies.
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  He pitched it as setting Silence of the Lambs at the Taylor Swift
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  Areas tour. Interesting, interesting.
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  Which that pitch would catch my attention so.
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  Yeah, I can, like, imagine myself just like sitting back in
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  the chair with my fingers, like together, like I'm listening.
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  Just, you know, OK, tell me more.
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  Apparently it took him 5 1/2 months to write the script which
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  was quote UN quote a personal record.
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  I don't know if that means it was a personal record and how
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  long or how short it was to write it.
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  Yeah, five months sounds like a long time.
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  Yeah, for somebody that's written a ton of scripts, but I
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  don't know. But as he was writing it, Selika
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  was going along and she composed 14 songs for the film that are
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  meant to, like, go along with the action that's happening in
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  the film. And I kind of caught on to this
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  part with you, the movie last night.
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  And I started writing down the titles of the songs during the
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  scenes as they were happening. And I was like, Oh my God, this
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  matches up so. Well, what are the song titles?
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  I'm curious. I don't have all of them, but
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  once I started writing down, I'll make sure that I like point
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  them out when we're talking. Are these like actual songs from
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  like released under her own musical acts?
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  Yes. So if you go and look at like
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  how the soundtrack is listed, it said performed by Salika
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  Shyamalan as Salika. So that's her like performer.
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  Salika is her performer name OK Salika.
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  Is there an actual first thing though?
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  Right, Yeah, OK yeah. Josh Hartnett wanted his
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  character to be his own, so he didn't like go and watch any
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  specific type of media to draw from a character 'cause he
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  really wanted to make it like its own thing.
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  But what he did do was read a lot about psychopathy and serial
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  killers. Oh, interesting.
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  Yeah. So I thought that was kind of an
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  interesting take and I think a spoiler for when we get into our
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  thoughts. I think that that ended up
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  working out really well for him, for sure.
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  Originally this, I wrote all of this down for you, OK 'cause
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  this is aspect ratio stuff and I know you found this stuff
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  interesting. Yeah, I do.
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  Yeah. So it was originally planned to
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  be shot in four, three aspect ratio.
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  But the cinematographer, Sambu Muktiprum, spoke with M Night
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  and was like, hey, this is kind of limiting our shooting ability
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  and it's creating too much work to make this claustrophobic
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  feeling that we want. Oh, yeah.
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  And so M Night agreed. And then they had to go and re
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  storyboard everything and they changed it to 185 one.
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  Wow. You know, actually thinking
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  about that four by three would have been a really cool aspect
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  ratio for this because, yeah, it does kind of make it feel a bit
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  more close in and more tense. Yeah.
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  But then again, whenever I'm thinking about it, when you're
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  doing a big concert, you it's such a big yeah setting that I
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  feel like having that big frame really helps a lot too.
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  Yeah, I I can see why it would create problems for them.
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  Yeah, I could see why it create problems, but I could also see
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  it playing like it it actually working out too.
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  I don't know I'd I'd be interested to see that cut.
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  I I don't know how much of a cut there would be for that, because
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  I don't think that they got very far.
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  No, they were like, no. No, I know that.
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  But like if they like made like an additional kind of like how
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  they did it with in a violent nature where they shot in both.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, OK. Yeah, Donahue attended school in
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  between filming because she is actually like 12 when this is
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  filming. The kid that played Riley, Yeah.
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  Wow. And then finally, this was
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  originally set to film in Cincinnati, so there could have
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  been a chance for us to go up there and be concert extras.
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  Yeah, for sure. We I would have done that.
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  However, because it was filming during the SAG after strikes,
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  they relocated to Toronto and they got an interim agreement
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  allowing them to shoot during the strikes.
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  During the strikes. But it's independent cuz it's
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  Shyamalan, right? So is that what makes the
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  difference? Yeah, well and also like I think
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  it cuz it also depends on the people that are working with it
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  too. I know that there were some
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  productions that were able to queer with the the Guild.
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  And this is one of those, Yeah. OK.
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  Yeah, They had an interim agreement that made it OK for
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  them to shoot like they were given the green light to do
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  this. So.
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  Yeah. So that's all my fun facts.
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  There's plenty more out there. I just ran out of room on my
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  paper. That was some interesting stuff
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  I really appreciated. It.
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  Yeah. I thought it was all pretty
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  cool. Yeah.
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  And you know what else is pretty cool?
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  Now? It means that we can talk about
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  our good, bad, ugly and absurd. OK, that is really cool.
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  So I'll kick it off with my good here.
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  So I, I love the feel of this movie.
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  Whenever we were watching this in theaters, this was my
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  birthday movie this year. So it has like a special place
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  for me there. But also like, there's something
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  about this movie that kind of feels like I'm watching a video
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  game. So it's like a guy and you're
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  seeing him like slowly progress and like pick up various items
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  throughout, like a single location to like pieces way out
• 19:17
  of this situation. I thought that that was really
• 19:19
  cool. Also, I feel like the way some
• 19:21
  of the dialogue scenes are shot, it almost feels like I'm
• 19:24
  watching like your character interact with an MPC or
• 19:27
  something like that. It's just like the way that they
• 19:28
  framed it. I don't know, like things are
• 19:30
  like centered, like kind of like standing over.
• 19:34
  Some of the characters are like really zoomed in on their face
• 19:36
  at times. I thought it was really
• 19:38
  interesting. The movie is just really like
• 19:40
  shot interestingly, just in total.
• 19:44
  But I thought the movie had a lot of good, tense moments,
• 19:47
  especially in the concert setting.
• 19:50
  Just like seeing him dart his eyes around the concert and just
• 19:52
  being nervous about, like, them picking random men out from the
• 19:56
  crowd. And just like, you know, you
• 19:58
  kind of feel that tension that he's getting.
• 20:02
  I also feel like he killed it with his performance.
• 20:04
  Oh my God, yes. Like Josh Hartness, not exactly
• 20:08
  a guy that's on my radar. He's in a few things that I've
• 20:12
  watched, like H2O, yeah. But yeah, I don't really know
• 20:15
  much about him. So, you know, I didn't go into
• 20:17
  this movie being like a Josh Hartnett fan, but like this
• 20:20
  movie kind of made me a fan of. This He came out of this movie
• 20:22
  as a Josh Hartnett fan. I.
• 20:24
  Honestly, I did, he did an amazing job and hearing what you
• 20:27
  said about how he prepared for it really kind of I guess
• 20:31
  explains why because I feel like he really leaned into like the
• 20:35
  charisma of that character. Absolutely.
• 20:37
  Like seeing him like be super nice to his daughter, handle
• 20:41
  like the conversations with like the workers, they're just like
• 20:44
  seeing how calculated everything that he did was.
• 20:46
  And it really ties back to what the profiler, Dr. Grant says at
• 20:50
  the end to Rachel, where she's like, you know, nobody else
• 20:54
  would have been able to pick up on these signs.
• 20:56
  He's that. That's part of what makes him so
• 20:59
  good at what he does. Like he's charming and he lies
• 21:02
  really well. And maybe the only person who
• 21:04
  could have picked up on it earlier in his life would be
• 21:06
  apparent. Yeah, which we kind of get
• 21:09
  flashes of that being an actual truth too.
• 21:13
  And then also I just, I like how this movie went past the concert
• 21:18
  because like whenever we got out of the concert, I was like, how
• 21:21
  the fuck is this going to progress?
• 21:22
  Yes. And it was really well done.
• 21:24
  I thought like they did a good job of keeping it going because
• 21:27
  that's like half of the movie is out of it.
• 21:29
  Yes. I thought the entirety was going
• 21:31
  to be them there the entire time.
• 21:32
  But yeah, no, this movie surprised me.
• 21:34
  It did a lot of good things. So what's your good?
• 21:37
  I think that it's really, it's really fun having the concert
• 21:41
  setting. I know not everybody likes
• 21:42
  watching that, but I, I love watching like stage
• 21:46
  performances. So it was fun having that as an
• 21:49
  aspect of this. And you know what?
• 21:50
  I We can have the nepotism debate all you want, but I'm
• 21:54
  never gonna be mad about a director wanting to work with
• 21:57
  his daughter. No, there's something wrong like
• 21:59
  that. No, I guess I'm telling you
• 22:00
  same. Thing with Rob and Sherry Moon,
• 22:02
  like, yeah, put your wife in her in your films.
• 22:06
  She's an actress, you're a director.
• 22:08
  It makes sense. Yeah, that I don't have any
• 22:11
  issues with it. Let me say that there's
• 22:13
  something that I don't know, I guess you didn't find in your
• 22:16
  research, but I was reading about screenings of this movie
• 22:20
  beforehand, like before they made cuts, like I guess to the
• 22:24
  test audience, the original cut had full performances.
• 22:28
  Oh wow, that would have been a lot.
• 22:30
  Yeah. And I think that they cut it
• 22:31
  because it really dragged down the movie.
• 22:34
  Like it kind of killed the pacing.
• 22:35
  Yeah. So I.
• 22:36
  Could see that, yeah, it worked out better.
• 22:38
  But that right there, I feel like if he had kept that in
• 22:40
  there, then I would feel like this would have been more of a
• 22:43
  vanity project for his daughter. Because you're just like putting
• 22:46
  on full blown performances of your daughter in like this
• 22:49
  horror movie. And that's not what people are
• 22:50
  there for. Yeah.
• 22:52
  But we get a good mixture of it. We get a better balance after
• 22:55
  they cut it down in this version here.
• 22:57
  Yes, Josh Hartnett absolutely kills it.
• 23:02
  Yes, energy when he is like trying desperately to lie to his
• 23:10
  daughter and it just comes across as.
• 23:12
  I was, yeah. And I, I love that too, because
• 23:16
  it really kind of ties into his whole, like, keeping the two
• 23:19
  lives separate things. So.
• 23:20
  And he's trying not to ruin this experience for Riley.
• 23:24
  Yeah. And God, I I think people just
• 23:27
  don't really get a nice sense of humor sometimes because they're
• 23:30
  like, what? Cringy dialogue?
• 23:32
  I'm like, yeah, it's kind of the fucking point, yeah.
• 23:34
  He's like, he's desperate, so he's trying to, like, make a
• 23:38
  quick move real quick. And then sometimes you just say
• 23:41
  something stupid like that. And also I feel like he's feels
• 23:44
  like he's talking to a child still.
• 23:45
  So yeah, he's able to like, be, oh, wow, isn't that crazy?
• 23:49
  Let's go down into the hole there.
• 23:50
  And, you know, there could be all kinds of wild things down
• 23:52
  there that sounds like, you know, serial killer shit, too.
• 23:56
  Which she is. Yeah.
• 23:57
  Let's go into the hole and find out what's.
• 23:59
  Down. Don't you want to go in the hole
• 24:01
  in the ground? Yeah.
• 24:02
  Don't you want to? We'll see what's down there.
• 24:04
  Yeah, that's. Creepy.
• 24:05
  Yeah. And yeah.
• 24:07
  So I just think I think the whole thing is really great.
• 24:10
  I like that we keep getting into these situations.
• 24:12
  You're like, how is he going to get out of this one?
• 24:14
  How is he going to get out of this one?
• 24:16
  Yeah. And like, honestly, I was fully
• 24:18
  prepared to watch him, like, duck and roll out of the back of
• 24:22
  that van at the end. I was like, all right, let's
• 24:24
  watch three more hours of this. Shit, I was.
• 24:26
  Increasing stakes with Jock Chartnet trying to get away from
• 24:29
  the feds. As soon as it's on, picking the
• 24:31
  handcuffs is like, here we go, we're going even further.
• 24:35
  This is really funny. Like, that's the twist.
• 24:39
  The movie never ends. And yeah, it just keeps.
• 24:41
  It just keeps getting out of the trash, actually.
• 24:43
  Still in the theater. I was watching it.
• 24:48
  Yeah, yeah. Okay, what is your bad?
• 24:52
  So my bad. One thing is I don't feel like
• 24:56
  In Night's Daughter exactly gave a strong performance.
• 24:59
  I think she did fine for her base level stuff, but whenever I
• 25:04
  think the part that really kills me is when they're in the car
• 25:07
  and she tries to pretend to be his mom.
• 25:09
  That would be what I would agree is probably the weaker part of
• 25:13
  her performance for me. I think she did great on like
• 25:16
  all of the normal pop star stuff.
• 25:18
  That sounded, Yeah, that felt more real.
• 25:20
  Yeah. But that also felt like more of
• 25:22
  her natural thing. And then when the one time where
• 25:25
  we see that she's actually acting is when I'm like, oh, I'm
• 25:29
  seeing I'm not a great performance here.
• 25:32
  And it kind of took me out of it a little bit.
• 25:35
  But then again, you could also rationalize it that she was
• 25:37
  acting in the moment too. She was trying to act as the
• 25:39
  mom. Yeah, exactly so.
• 25:41
  I don't know, like to me it just kind of screamed like weak to me
• 25:45
  right there and I don't. Think it was quite weak.
• 25:48
  I just think it was probably if I had to pick out the weaker
• 25:50
  part of her performance. That's what I'm saying, that
• 25:54
  that's the weak part of the performance right there.
• 25:56
  Not her entirety of her performance was weak.
• 25:59
  Just that part right there was OK.
• 26:01
  And I think the thing with his mom was just it didn't really go
• 26:06
  anywhere. It really was just like you, you
• 26:08
  see like the visions that he has of her, which I guess is like, I
• 26:12
  mean, we understand like from the get go, this guy's the
• 26:15
  butcher and just seeing him act in this psychotic and like
• 26:20
  manipulative way throughout the movie is enough for me to see
• 26:24
  how he's damaged as a person. I don't need to have this
• 26:26
  bullshit mom explanation but visions of her thrown in too.
• 26:31
  It felt very Friday the 13th. It kind of did, yeah.
• 26:34
  And really what I thought it was building up to, and maybe they
• 26:37
  meant for it to be like this, but I feel like the profiler was
• 26:41
  meant to be similar to his mom. I don't think that's what it was
• 26:48
  what I was reading actually. Like she was meant to be a more
• 26:51
  maternal seeming figure to contrast with the psychopathy in
• 26:57
  Cooper's character. OK.
• 26:59
  Whereas I don't think his mom was a very warm maternal figure.
• 27:04
  Doesn't sound like it. Yeah, I thought because we never
• 27:07
  get great looks at her, that maybe it was the same actor
• 27:11
  playing the Mon man, the profiler, which I thought that.
• 27:15
  Would be interesting. That could have been
• 27:16
  interesting, but still, I think it wouldn't have really.
• 27:19
  OK, You could just cut it. And really, I like, you're not
• 27:22
  missing anything from this movie if you do that.
• 27:25
  OK. So yeah, that's not bad.
• 27:28
  OK, I'd say my bad is that he's got a lot of like, up and down
• 27:34
  from his seat at the concert. Yeah, he does.
• 27:38
  Which, like, I get because it gets Riley's suspicious and it's
• 27:42
  part of, like, his whole, like, panicking, trying to figure
• 27:45
  stuff out. I just wish maybe like a couple
• 27:48
  of those trips had been combined into one, Yeah, make him a
• 27:52
  little bit more efficient and not make him miss half the
• 27:56
  concert. You know, see, I don't go to
• 27:58
  these types of concerts so maybe I'm completely wrong, but do
• 28:01
  they normally have this many intermissions?
• 28:04
  I don't know about intermissions and stuff like that.
• 28:07
  I really don't. I know like the costume changes
• 28:09
  and stuff are a thing, but I also know that like.
• 28:11
  They usually have something going on to keep people engaged.
• 28:13
  Yes, like 'cause this is similar but also different.
• 28:18
  I went to Gold Over America with my mom and like, they had a lot
• 28:23
  of uniform changes throughout the show, but like, they had,
• 28:27
  you know, differences in performers going on throughout.
• 28:31
  Oh my God. Sorry I'm twisting around cuz I
• 28:33
  feel like I'm looking at you hit my foot.
• 28:34
  Did I? I'm sorry.
• 28:35
  It's OK because you hurt yourself before we came in here
• 28:37
  to record and I accidentally hit your foot.
• 28:42
  But yeah, so I don't, I don't know what that normally looks
• 28:45
  like, how much setup and stops and starts are needed between
• 28:49
  songs. Like a pop star.
• 28:51
  Yeah, yeah, cuz I just go to like rock shows.
• 28:54
  Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't know what this type of show
• 28:58
  looks like. Yeah, that's why I'm saying
• 28:59
  like, I'm not gonna say this is unrealistic, but it felt strange
• 29:03
  to see all these people be like, well, hey, we're now going on a
• 29:06
  break. They have to set up the stage
• 29:07
  for something else like and I didn't really see any dressing
• 29:11
  differences in the stage. Yeah, it was really more just
• 29:14
  like her and her dancers like outfits.
• 29:17
  Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Yeah.
• 29:20
  Ugly. Well, I think seeing the links
• 29:29
  that he went to, to 'cause these mass like chaotic moments in the
• 29:36
  stadium. So like, the girl had to blow.
• 29:38
  Up that girl's face. That one especially, yeah, he
• 29:42
  like, I get it. She was in the wrong place,
• 29:44
  wrong time, and it didn't seem like he targeted her.
• 29:47
  She just happened to be standing there and it blew up right in
• 29:49
  front of her face at the frying machine, for anybody wondering.
• 29:53
  But the one I'm also thinking about is the drunk girl by the
• 29:55
  stairs that he goes over and knocks her down.
• 29:58
  Yeah, just so she can fall down the fucking stairs that could
• 30:01
  kill somebody. I do think that.
• 30:03
  I know he's a murderer, but. I also though I think she was
• 30:06
  probably so drunk she had like floppy drunk person.
• 30:10
  That does help, yeah. It really does actually make a
• 30:13
  difference. That's why when you hear about
• 30:15
  drunk driving accidents, a lot of times the driver is not
• 30:20
  because. There was a guy I went to school
• 30:22
  with, He was crossing the road and he was high and a car hit
• 30:26
  him and he ended up being pretty much OK and the doctor told him
• 30:30
  it's because you're high. He didn't tense up when you got
• 30:33
  here. He just kind of like ragged off,
• 30:37
  so you know. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:40
  I'm not saying get drunk and high the for like health or
• 30:43
  reasons but who place and time like the frying machine.
• 30:48
  Whatever Get Me Out of here. What's your ugly?
• 30:51
  My ugly I guess, would probably be him having this whole double
• 30:56
  life and the way he's able to just like look at his children
• 31:02
  and love them so much and just want what's best for them and
• 31:06
  for his wife. But at the same time, he's out
• 31:08
  there targeting other people and just ruining their lives.
• 31:12
  It's also like he blames her. He's like, we could have done
• 31:15
  like I had a nice life that you fucked it up when he's talking
• 31:18
  to his wife. Your fault.
• 31:18
  I'm not going to see our kids grow.
• 31:20
  No, Cooper, I think that's you. I think probably.
• 31:23
  Probably the. Part where you murdered like
• 31:25
  eight or nine people, yeah. No, I think it was way more
• 31:28
  than. That was it, yeah.
• 31:29
  Oh, wow. Yeah, He man.
• 31:33
  And I thought it was really interesting because, like, there
• 31:36
  was that one scene when he's at the garage, he's like, how the
• 31:38
  fuck did they get out? Like I And then he like, starts
• 31:41
  playing in his head, like, oh, there's a big tree next to the
• 31:43
  window there. They climbed out.
• 31:44
  I never looked through this lens.
• 31:45
  Keep the lives separated. Yeah.
• 31:47
  So you could tell like he actually did do that.
• 31:49
  He was able to like. Yeah, he compartmentalized the
• 31:51
  hell out of his two lives. Yeah, it's, it's fucking crazy.
• 31:55
  And it's so weird that like I like that especially we get this
• 32:00
  sense of he generally seems to target mostly decent people cuz
• 32:05
  he said his thing is wanting to get people that seem whole.
• 32:08
  They think that they feel whole he's like but that's not true
• 32:11
  cuz nobody could ever be fully whole so.
• 32:13
  He's like, I would show you Spencer is like an environmental
• 32:17
  activist, I think. He's like a teacher or something
• 32:19
  I think, or a student, I can't remember.
• 32:21
  He's like young 20s. Yeah, but like he does like some
• 32:23
  good stuff for like the environment.
• 32:25
  I remember that being mentioned. And like he said, what got him
• 32:28
  was watching with Lady Raven, was watching her backstage where
• 32:31
  she's just, like, having water and having, like, nice
• 32:33
  conversations with her, like people on her team and helping
• 32:36
  somebody that drops something. Yeah, like, wow, look at this
• 32:39
  perfectly normal person. Being kind to the people that
• 32:42
  work for her. I got to fucking kill her.
• 32:46
  I got to ruin that bit of goodness right there.
• 32:48
  Yeah, and like, especially she's being so kind to your daughter,
• 32:52
  who you lied about having leukemia to get back there.
• 32:56
  Yeah, and that's what the worst thing he did that day.
• 32:58
  I. Know this guy?
• 33:01
  I'm starting to think that maybe this Cooper guy's not all that
• 33:03
  good, Travis. I think he's a real jerk.
• 33:05
  I think he's a real jerk. OK, absurd, absurd.
• 33:13
  One thing I have here is just Kid Cudi.
• 33:16
  His whole character is so fucking funny in this movie.
• 33:20
  Yeah. So like, he goes out there.
• 33:21
  I. Really tried to find the exact
• 33:23
  wording for him yelling at the assistant about the kombuchics.
• 33:26
  I wanted that to be my opening. Oh yeah, couldn't find where you
• 33:29
  couldn't find quotes. Oh man, that's a shame because
• 33:32
  it's really funny. That's the thing I love.
• 33:33
  Like when he's out on stage, he's actually just performing
• 33:36
  like Kid Cudi too. But he's like this very over the
• 33:39
  top like person out there who is very, very shitty to his
• 33:45
  handlers. Yes.
• 33:46
  And then he like puts on this like fake persona whenever he
• 33:49
  talks to Lady Raven and all that stuff where he's like actually
• 33:53
  being friendly. And then the whole scene where
• 33:54
  he walks by Cooper and just like hits on him and just like gives
• 33:58
  him a look and they're like lifts up his like, like shirt
• 34:01
  gets a little bit. But yeah, it's it was really
• 34:05
  funny. Also, just the idea that you can
• 34:11
  take all of the men in a stadium and stop every single one of
• 34:17
  them on the way out and think that you can actually have
• 34:19
  control over that situation. Cuz that right there just
• 34:22
  screams at me. That's gonna be chaos.
• 34:24
  Yeah. People are going to be slipping
• 34:25
  in the night. You're not going to be able to
• 34:26
  have everybody accounted for there.
• 34:28
  They said that there were like 3000 men at the show there,
• 34:32
  which is insane. So like, it's a very flawed
• 34:36
  plan. Like your point for your thing
• 34:40
  but. Seems inefficient.
• 34:41
  Yeah, but I love the idea of it so much that just don't care.
• 34:45
  Yeah. And that's kind of why I think
• 34:47
  it's fun, because it's like, again.
• 34:51
  And Night Tramalon has a good sense of humor.
• 34:53
  That's the thing, man, people like, they complain about this
• 34:56
  movie because it's just so not realistic and it's.
• 34:59
  Not meant to. Be y'all, Yeah, I really, I love
• 35:02
  the idea of it. I don't care if everything like
• 35:06
  isn't so realistic or anything like that.
• 35:10
  I just. I just want to have fun.
• 35:12
  Yeah. No, I think, OK, Yeah, the
• 35:14
  absurd I think for me is that it kind of seems like this profiler
• 35:18
  knew he was going get out the whole time.
• 35:21
  You think so? It almost seems like she knew
• 35:23
  that was gonna happen and the real setup was back at the
• 35:27
  house. Well, I think that they made
• 35:28
  that after the concert was over and they checked all three
• 35:32
  thousand 2999 and yeah, they didn't have their guy.
• 35:41
  Yeah, I, I don't know. I just, I didn't think, I think
• 35:45
  she knew that there was a very high probability that he was
• 35:48
  going to find a way past them. I.
• 35:50
  Think it'd be hilarious if she was just making all this shit up
• 35:52
  the entire time. Like, Oh yeah, he's going to be
• 35:54
  his mom. He hates his mom.
• 35:56
  Like, oh wow. Like kind of like the the medium
• 35:59
  guy from, You know the Devil where he's just like, you know,
• 36:03
  cleaning on the things and hoping that it sticks.
• 36:05
  Which like the profiling stuff does has a, does have like a
• 36:08
  little bit more science behind it.
• 36:10
  But yeah, it's not like a perfect Yeah, you know, it's not
• 36:14
  100% foolproof. It was crazy, though.
• 36:17
  Yeah, there are moments in this movie where she's straight up
• 36:18
  calling out his move as he's about to do.
• 36:20
  It yeah, like with the whole going to pull the fire.
• 36:22
  Off. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:23
  Yeah, Yeah. OK.
• 36:24
  All right. So are we there to rate it?
• 36:27
  Yes, OK. I had a lot of fun with this
• 36:29
  movie. I think that this is like a this
• 36:31
  is just a fun time. Like it's got tension, it's got
• 36:35
  great acting. It's got great sets.
• 36:38
  I like it a lot. I'm gonna give it a nine.
• 36:41
  I'm gonna give it a nine and a half.
• 36:43
  Damn. So we got a 9.25 starting
• 36:45
  average. Yeah, I'm sorry people out there
• 36:47
  that don't like this movie, but we we like it.
• 36:50
  I'm sorry. Sorry, Jen, I'm cute.
• 36:54
  Sorry, Chad. Sorry, Chad.
• 36:57
  OK, OK. All right.
• 36:59
  So you get into it. So we start off, Riley and her
• 37:02
  dad are in the car and she's singing along to Lady Raven.
• 37:05
  And this was arguably immediately funny cuz she's
• 37:07
  singing off and she goes maybe I'll be a singer.
• 37:09
  And Cooper goes, maybe, Maybe, yeah.
• 37:13
  He's like, so supportive of his daughter the entire movie, but
• 37:15
  that's like the one moment where he's like, Oh no.
• 37:21
  Yeah, he is refusing to run red lights.
• 37:25
  He's like, we're not going to start breaking the law now,
• 37:27
  Riley. Yeah.
• 37:30
  And she's very, very excited and she's in a hurry.
• 37:33
  She wants to go see Lady Raven, get off the tour bus.
• 37:36
  I guess this is a thing people do.
• 37:38
  You people who are super obsessed with these people and
• 37:41
  these like musical artists or icons or whatever you want, like
• 37:44
  any celebrity of any type, people would do it.
• 37:46
  They'll just stake out their fucking butts.
• 37:50
  Scary. I like the moment though where
• 37:52
  the one of the bus stores open and it's like a random guy that
• 37:55
  comes out and like they were cheering like cuz that's so
• 37:58
  real, you know, like that. Somebody actually boos him.
• 38:01
  Yeah, cuz that's an actual thing that would happen too.
• 38:04
  So apparently this was an afternoon concert that was added
• 38:07
  after the tour sold out. This was a reward for her for
• 38:11
  getting good grades. She got 4A's and AB and he got
• 38:14
  her seats on the floor row 44. Very, very good seats.
• 38:19
  Very good. So yeah, he's also, while
• 38:22
  they're in the line, he's asking about her friends.
• 38:25
  Just trying to get info on what exactly went down because we get
• 38:28
  the the idea that her and her friends had a bit of a falling
• 38:31
  out. Yeah, but.
• 38:32
  She doesn't really want to talk about.
• 38:33
  It yeah and said she joined some dancing girls so we can see that
• 38:36
  she's not like a social or withdrawn or anything.
• 38:40
  Yeah, yeah, It's just. Like typical middle school girl
• 38:43
  stuff really is what it seems like, which she does confirm
• 38:46
  here in a minute because she was like, you know, it's not that
• 38:48
  they're being mean. They just don't include me and
• 38:50
  stuff and they make sure to post all about it on social media.
• 38:54
  Yep, that tracks. That's the type of stuff that's
• 38:55
  like intentionally malicious, like.
• 38:58
  Well, I had to explain to you about Girl Mean the other night
• 39:01
  when we went out for Halloween and you're like, that was really
• 39:04
  nice that those girls came over and complimented you.
• 39:06
  And I was like, no, it would have been nice if it'd have been
• 39:08
  one of them, but two of them coming over gushing about how
• 39:11
  good my makeup was. They were being very mean and
• 39:13
  backhanded. I don't think that they were.
• 39:15
  They were Travis. The other girl came over there
• 39:18
  later. This is neither here nor there.
• 39:22
  This is. But this is the levels right
• 39:24
  here that Riley is dealing. With yes, you never forget
• 39:27
  middle school bullying. I like this moment where he's
• 39:32
  trying to relay with lingo he's. Like what's crispy mean?
• 39:37
  And she's like, oh, it's means something's really good.
• 39:39
  He's like, use it in a sudden. She goes, man, your house is
• 39:42
  crispy. And he goes, so if I went over
• 39:44
  to somebody's house and I was like, yo, your pad is extra
• 39:47
  fried. And she goes, I'm not going to
• 39:48
  teach you anything else ever again.
• 39:50
  What fried so like so much crispy.
• 39:53
  That's the epitome of crisp. Also, while this is going on,
• 39:56
  there's an opener on the stage and there's almost nobody in the
• 39:59
  stand. That's so real.
• 40:00
  Oh my God, it made. Me think of when we went to see
• 40:02
  Jack White and Chicano Batman. Open.
• 40:04
  I think of that all the time whenever I think of this thing
• 40:07
  too, because I see people talk about Chicano Batman, they're
• 40:10
  like, oh, Chicano Batman. I'm like really?
• 40:12
  Those guys, they had like, no, not the one thing that I went
• 40:16
  to. And they were.
• 40:17
  Decent. They were OK.
• 40:19
  Yeah, they were OK. But this opener is called the
• 40:22
  Papa's Boots. Papa's boots.
• 40:25
  Good, good names right there. Yeah.
• 40:27
  All right, so the show starts, they get a few songs in, and
• 40:30
  then that's when Cooper's like, OK, I got to go to the bathroom.
• 40:33
  Real. Quick, he's like, do you want to
• 40:34
  come and stand outside the men's room or do you promise to stay
• 40:37
  right here in your seat? Also very good parenting.
• 40:39
  Like that's definitely the type of like normal thing you would
• 40:44
  see from an intentive parent like that because that's a huge
• 40:47
  concert venue to just leave her alone in the crowd.
• 40:50
  I could see him being like well she's 12 but also there are
• 40:54
  30,000 people here and at least one of us is a serial killer.
• 40:58
  Statistically, probably more. So in the men's room, I clocked
• 41:02
  that every other urinal is occupied.
• 41:05
  There's the guys are leaving space, which is nice because
• 41:08
  nobody wants to piss right next to another person.
• 41:10
  Although in my experience, going to pack concerts, that's not at
• 41:14
  all the case. You kind of have to take what
• 41:16
  you can get. But he goes into the stall,
• 41:19
  pulls up his phone, there's a camera and we see that he's just
• 41:23
  checking in on his little victim that he's got in one of his
• 41:26
  basements. I wonder if this is how Tati
• 41:29
  feels when we pull up the the pet camera at home and tell her
• 41:33
  to stop chewing on her paws. It could be, yeah, She's like,
• 41:37
  help me Get Me Out. And then I tell us like, this is
• 41:41
  the color of the door. I don't know color so because
• 41:43
  I'm a dog but. It's great you have a Gray door.
• 41:47
  Everything is great. Come over here right now.
• 41:55
  Yeah, that's so stupid. Is she upset because everything
• 42:04
  is grey or like everything is grey?
• 42:06
  Come to the grey place. This is where great place.
• 42:10
  She's like. Here's the story about a little
• 42:18
  guy who lived in a great world. And everything is great.
• 42:26
  Yeah, poor puppy. But yeah, so he's got somebody
• 42:30
  that he's got locked up and he's making sure they're still locked
• 42:34
  up. So he goes to the sink to wash
• 42:36
  his hands, and then to his left, he sees this old woman just
• 42:39
  standing at the sink, and he kind of ignores her.
• 42:43
  And then another person gets in between them to wash her hands,
• 42:45
  and then they leave. And then she's messed, like,
• 42:47
  magically gone. Yeah.
• 42:48
  So yeah. Yeah, so on the way back, he
• 42:53
  sees Jodie's mom, who references like a parent teacher meeting
• 42:58
  that they'd had. She's like, I haven't seen you
• 43:00
  since then. And you know, I, I'm really
• 43:03
  working with Jodie on getting Riley included on stuff.
• 43:07
  And he's like, you know, it's just really hard to see your
• 43:09
  child hurting like that. You can tell he probably didn't
• 43:11
  ever really much like Jodie's mom in the 1st place.
• 43:14
  But yeah, especially now is kind of over it.
• 43:16
  This is very much how you handle those conversations.
• 43:19
  Like I don't want to be having a conversation with you right now.
• 43:21
  I'm going to give a very stern and politish enough answer and I
• 43:26
  I'm trying to get my way out of here.
• 43:27
  Yeah, at one point he even says like, this is about them today.
• 43:31
  I just want to focus on this concert for them.
• 43:33
  I don't really want to have this conversation right now.
• 43:36
  Yeah, it's just so interesting seeing him be like a this shit
• 43:39
  person and then like the contrast of like, hey, here's
• 43:42
  this guy I have in my base at to like immediately, hey, this is
• 43:45
  me being a great dad. Like it's, it's, it's
• 43:48
  interesting, Yeah. So he gets back to the show and
• 43:52
  Lady Raven talks this story about releasing the anger she
• 43:56
  felt towards her father for abandoning her and.
• 44:00
  And it's like what the fuck I'm. Right here, Salika.
• 44:04
  Yeah, literally. And she encourages everybody
• 44:09
  else. You know, if there's somebody in
• 44:11
  their life that they're angry at, if they feel ready and
• 44:14
  they're ready to release that anger, say I release you and
• 44:17
  then turn on the lights on your phone.
• 44:19
  And how pivotal a moment for Riley where she's in the middle
• 44:22
  of dealing with mean girl middle school bullies.
• 44:26
  Yeah, so while the song is playing, Cooper's just kind of
• 44:30
  checking around the arena because he noticed when he was
• 44:33
  out there going to the bathroom before that the cop presence has
• 44:36
  gotten a little bit larger outside.
• 44:38
  I just stacked up on the quite. A bit.
• 44:39
  Around the perimeter there. So now he's eyeing around and
• 44:43
  he's seeing. Security talking to random men
• 44:46
  in clothes very similar to his. Yeah, he sees a guy actually
• 44:50
  getting escorted out of the arena over there.
• 44:54
  So they go to a merch table between songs.
• 44:57
  They're out of smalls in the shirt she wants.
• 45:00
  Well, they have one small left and the other girl's like I was
• 45:03
  here first, which I mean, she was here first, that's what's
• 45:07
  fair. She is, but she was mean about
• 45:09
  the way she said. I was totally here way before
• 45:11
  her. Like, calm down, we can talk
• 45:13
  about it. She.
• 45:14
  Wasn't rude but also she had a point.
• 45:18
  You're not wrong, while you're just an asshole.
• 45:20
  Was she though? I mean, was she there first?
• 45:23
  We don't know. People claim shit like that all
• 45:25
  the time. Well, we did see Riley and her
• 45:27
  dad just kind of push their way up to the table.
• 45:29
  So, but Riley is our Cooper's like, you know, hey, it's OK.
• 45:33
  Wait, she wants the shirt. She can have the shirt.
• 45:35
  We'll come back later and you know, we'll see if we can find
• 45:38
  you something else you want. And Jamie at the merch table is
• 45:41
  like, you guys seem like a really nice family.
• 45:43
  Let me tell you what, in about 10 or 15 minutes, I gotta go get
• 45:46
  more shirts to restock. Anyway, I'll set a small aside.
• 45:48
  Yeah. And then he, like, sits aside
• 45:51
  for a second. He's like, hey, come over here
• 45:53
  for a second to Jamie. And Jamie, like, comes over and
• 45:55
  he's like, hey, so like, what's the deal with all the cops?
• 45:56
  Well, he learns his name first. He builds that personal
• 45:59
  connection and he uses the name Jamie a lot.
• 46:02
  If you'll notice, every time they talk, he makes sure to say
• 46:04
  his name. I hate him.
• 46:05
  Some people do that to me, like, hey, what's your name?
• 46:08
  Travis. Hey.
• 46:08
  Yeah, Travis. Nice to meet you, Travis.
• 46:10
  So, Travis, what about this? You know, like.
• 46:12
  Travis, I really think we need to start focusing on the movie
• 46:14
  again. OK, All right.
• 46:16
  Are you ready, Travis? Yes, let's do this, OK.
• 46:22
  All right, Travis. So what does he talk to Jamie
• 46:25
  about? He talks to him about why there
• 46:30
  is such a police presence there. He says I'm really not supposed
• 46:33
  to talk about it though, so don't tell anybody.
• 46:36
  But apparently it's a setup, because apparently the butcher
• 46:39
  is going to be here. Yep.
• 46:41
  So the whole concert, they set it up as a trap.
• 46:44
  So it's not that like they put on this concert thinking the
• 46:47
  butcher would show up, it's that they found a piece of a receipt
• 46:51
  for tickets to this show specifically.
• 46:54
  So this concert was already going to be happening.
• 46:56
  When they found out he would be here, that's when they decided
• 46:58
  that we're going to set up all of the other trap stuff.
• 47:01
  Yeah, so now he's just kind of trying to scope the area a
• 47:04
  little bit more by pretending to look for funnel cake.
• 47:08
  Yeah, Which hell yeah. No, man.
• 47:10
  Funnel cake, Yeah. I was like, you know, if you
• 47:12
  said this to me in an arena, I'd be like, I wouldn't question it,
• 47:16
  yeah. I'd be like, funnel cake is the
• 47:18
  fucking bond. It's crispy.
• 47:20
  Yeah, it's extra fried. Oh.
• 47:22
  My God, Travis, let's focus. Travis, stop it.
• 47:29
  So yeah, what he's actually doing is he's trying to scope
• 47:31
  different exits, and he's trying to see if they can find, like,
• 47:35
  you know, a window to sneak out. And he also decides he's going
• 47:39
  to create a aversion. But at one point, he sees a
• 47:41
  woman setting her very drunk friend near the stairs before
• 47:46
  leaving to grab something. Girl, come on.
• 47:50
  Not, not good placement. Yeah, just like maybe she was
• 47:53
  like, hopefully somebody will trip her or she'll fall.
• 47:55
  Down. Yeah, like I can't deal with
• 47:57
  her. This woman was going to trip
• 47:58
  down the stairs regardless. Of these scenes.
• 48:00
  Like people, too many people working against her I think.
• 48:04
  A slight gust of wind would have knocked her down the stairs.
• 48:08
  She was. She's like a clown guy here.
• 48:10
  Yeah. In the wind, yeah.
• 48:12
  So he does the deed, He knocks her down the stairs, people come
• 48:16
  running to check on her, and he is like, hey, Riley, let's just
• 48:20
  go outside for a minute and then we'll come back inside.
• 48:24
  But it wasn't enough of a distraction.
• 48:25
  There's still plenty of SWAT outside.
• 48:27
  Yeah, before all that too. He also clocked the security
• 48:31
  door and he saw that they need badges to get back in there, so
• 48:34
  he knows he needs to get that if he needs to proceed anymore.
• 48:37
  Yeah, and the song, the music has started.
• 48:40
  She's playing a song called Liar.
• 48:42
  This is when I started writing them down.
• 48:44
  Oh, interesting. So they go back to their seats
• 48:47
  and then this is when she introduces Parker Wayne because
• 48:51
  they wrote a song together and he joins from a trap door on the
• 48:54
  floor. And when it opens up, it's like
• 48:57
  right near their seats so they can see under the ground.
• 49:00
  And this song that they're playing is called hiding.
• 49:04
  And then this is when he's like desperately trying to get Riley
• 49:07
  to like, hey, let's just sneak down there.
• 49:09
  And she's like, what the fuck? She's.
• 49:11
  Like we can't do that. That's also weird.
• 49:14
  You're being weird today. This is kind of weird, yeah, but
• 49:18
  you know, I like the right person.
• 49:20
  Would be curious enough to check it out.
• 49:23
  Yeah, but also like, she really wants to see the show.
• 49:25
  Yeah, then that's a terrible thing to do.
• 49:27
  Hey, here's this thing that we paid a lot of money to go do.
• 49:29
  How about we go explore the venue and stuff?
• 49:31
  Like, no, come on. So Cooper says that he's going
• 49:35
  to go back and check on the T-shirt for when he gets back.
• 49:37
  Jamie hasn't had a chance to go get the shirts yet and he's like
• 49:40
  oh I'll go with you. So they get down there and, you
• 49:43
  know, they're just chit chatting.
• 49:44
  And he says he works for the fire department.
• 49:47
  And as they're talking, he helps him grab some boxes from the top
• 49:50
  shelf and sneaks out Jamie's key card.
• 49:52
  And he asks, you know, have they caught the butcher yet?
• 49:56
  And Jamie's, like, no. But let me tell you, I've been
• 49:59
  following this case. This guy's real messed up.
• 50:01
  He's killed like 22 people. Like one of my friends was
• 50:04
  driving by a crime scene and he saw his body all chopped up.
• 50:08
  And he shows him like the body, yeah, which is crazy.
• 50:12
  And then he said that they had all this special training for
• 50:15
  this stuff going on. And I love this because this is
• 50:17
  so realistic because like probably minimum wage worker
• 50:22
  getting a chance to feel this kind of special and being asked
• 50:25
  about something that also happens to be a niche interest
• 50:27
  of theirs. Like, and he's talking to
• 50:30
  somebody who's a firefighter, you know, like, and he even
• 50:34
  says, like, you're on our side. Yeah, he's like, yeah, you're
• 50:38
  enforcement of some form here, so sure you shouldn't be.
• 50:42
  Little does he know. Yeah.
• 50:45
  So he tells them like they have like a secret code in case the
• 50:47
  cops stop them, which is Hamilton.
• 50:50
  And then he gives them a shirt for free.
• 50:52
  Yeah, and it seems like almost like we've got this like, Fakey
• 50:55
  set up where it seems like he's gonna stab him with a box
• 50:58
  cutter, but he just ends up handing it back to Jamie.
• 51:00
  Yeah, yeah. So now he takes the security
• 51:04
  badge that he snuck from him and he goes into the security room.
• 51:07
  He goes, yeah, it's like an employee area and they're having
• 51:10
  like a meeting with some of the SWAT.
• 51:13
  And, you know, they're just kind of talking about if you run into
• 51:16
  our unsub, you need to get them alone.
• 51:19
  So that way any potential risk to other bystanders is limited.
• 51:25
  And then we see get to see him lying really well to like other
• 51:28
  people. Like he's saying that, oh, I
• 51:29
  just came here for coffee and they're like, oh, do you have
• 51:31
  any sugar? Because Barrett was supposed to
• 51:33
  refill that. Here, take some of my stash.
• 51:35
  And he go, he opens up the cabinet as if he knows it's
• 51:38
  exactly there. He got lucky with that.
• 51:39
  Guess I was thinking that was all I could think of during
• 51:42
  this. And it's like, motherfucker,
• 51:43
  like, if that sugar wasn't there, what were you going to
• 51:45
  do? Like.
• 51:46
  Bitch, somebody took my sugar. Yeah.
• 51:48
  That's an. Easy one, Yeah, but there's also
• 51:52
  Donuts down there, so he. This is why I can't be a killer.
• 51:56
  Like the smallest bit of pressure.
• 51:58
  I'm in there with the cops, like, oh man, where's the sugar?
• 52:00
  I don't know. I don't work.
• 52:02
  Here, open up the door. It's not here.
• 52:04
  OK? I'm the butcher.
• 52:05
  I'm sorry. You got me.
• 52:07
  You got me. So yeah, he.
• 52:13
  He ends up just like navigating his way out.
• 52:15
  He also gives him some Donuts and then he sneaks one of the
• 52:18
  walkies from one of the the things there and he works his
• 52:22
  way out of the room. And then Jodie's mom fucking
• 52:25
  stops Cooper again. And she's like, you know, I
• 52:27
  really just think that the girls need to work this out
• 52:29
  themselves. And he she gets vaguely
• 52:32
  threatening to the point where like security officers, officers
• 52:35
  standing around are like. I mean, it's very directly
• 52:39
  threatening. She grabs his arm as he's trying
• 52:41
  to walk away. She's like, you do not, not want
• 52:42
  to mess with me. And then they, oh, they see a
• 52:47
  man getting like running away from other security and getting
• 52:50
  stopped and it just kind of breaks up their little fight.
• 52:53
  We also play cases like, listen, how about we do a pizza day this
• 52:56
  weekend? Whatever.
• 52:56
  I don't fucking care. Like, I just need to get out of
• 52:58
  this conversation right now. And then, yeah, like one of the
• 53:01
  guys, some random guys getting tackled by cops.
• 53:04
  So he gets back to the concert floor.
• 53:06
  She's playing a song called Empathize.
• 53:08
  As he is listening to the radio, they learn that the person that
• 53:12
  was just captured ran because he's got a history of being
• 53:15
  ease. It's not actually the butcher.
• 53:17
  And she says that the unsub won't panic.
• 53:20
  And then somebody reminds them of visuals of men that have been
• 53:23
  seen at various crime scenes. One such potential unsub has an
• 53:27
  animal tattoo on his arm, and we see Cooper look down at his
• 53:32
  little animal tattoo on his wrist and then sneak a slap
• 53:35
  bracelet from somebody else's VIP bag.
• 53:38
  This right here, this point in the movie is where like I feel
• 53:40
  like it's really clicking because like seeing that right
• 53:42
  there, I like seeing him monitoring the situation and
• 53:45
  just like I love this game of cat and mouse.
• 53:48
  Yeah, it's. Like playing out here because
• 53:50
  like, any time that they're saying something like that, he's
• 53:52
  like, OK, this is how I'm gonna address that.
• 53:54
  Yeah, it's really cool and watch.
• 53:56
  Yeah. Then he tells Riley that he
• 53:57
  forgot his credit card at the T-shirt stand.
• 54:00
  And she's like, you've barely been here.
• 54:02
  I really wanted to watch this with you.
• 54:04
  Like, she seems like she wanted to share this experience with
• 54:07
  her dad. It's kind of sad.
• 54:10
  He gives a meeting point for them to meet at if they are
• 54:13
  separated, and then as he's walking, he listens to Doctor
• 54:18
  Grant explained about Contingency 4.
• 54:21
  Once he realizes that he's stuck, he will do something to
• 54:23
  cause mass panic, such as setting off a fire alarm or
• 54:26
  calling in a bomb threat. And acting at a fire alarm where
• 54:29
  he's about to pull it. So if that were to happen, only
• 54:35
  women and children would be allowed to go through and the
• 54:37
  men would need to be stopped. Which I think they do that
• 54:40
  anyways in this current setup. So yeah, no change of plan
• 54:44
  there. So he arrives at one of the food
• 54:47
  stands there and he sinks over and to one of the deep frying
• 54:51
  things he like, turns it up a little bit more.
• 54:54
  Than several canisters of oil, yes, yeah, I wrote.
• 54:59
  That's oil bomb. Is.
• 55:01
  That is basically what it is, because then a teenager working
• 55:04
  in the stand comes over, sees that and it explodes on her.
• 55:08
  God, that's got to be. That's life altering right
• 55:11
  there. Yeah.
• 55:12
  She's going to have to get like skin grafts or something.
• 55:15
  If she survives. If she survives.
• 55:17
  Yeah, like that's. Oh my God.
• 55:19
  And The thing is, he is a firefighter.
• 55:22
  He knows what kind of damage he's doing to this person.
• 55:25
  Yeah. But then again, like I said, I
• 55:27
  don't think he was targeting anybody.
• 55:28
  I think he was just trying to set off like.
• 55:30
  But he had to have known that there was the potential.
• 55:32
  Casualty for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate
• 55:37
  casualty right there, but. In the confusion.
• 55:40
  Yeah, he, he takes one of the aprons there and sneaks it on
• 55:42
  and then he like takes the pass and goes up to the employee
• 55:46
  area, which is. Up on the roof, yeah.
• 55:48
  And there are, of course, more SWAT members up there.
• 55:52
  They ask for the secret code, which is like Hamilton.
• 55:55
  They're like, what about the card that you got in the
• 55:58
  training? And it just so happens this
• 56:00
  apron had a wallet in it and he pulls out just like the generic
• 56:04
  arena card, which was what they were.
• 56:07
  He just. Passes it.
• 56:09
  Yeah. He just finds a card, you know,
• 56:11
  I don't know. It works out.
• 56:13
  He's a convincing liar. Yeah.
• 56:15
  What I'm curious about is what was his plan once he got up to
• 56:18
  the roof there? Are you going to scale down the
• 56:20
  building bro? Yeah, I think he was going to
• 56:22
  try and see like if there was a way out from up here, but what
• 56:24
  was he going to do about Riley because their meeting point was
• 56:27
  going to be inside the arena so. He would probably say something
• 56:32
  like, oh, I saw something outside and like I like went to
• 56:35
  go help and then I couldn't get back in because I lost, left my
• 56:38
  ticket in there. Whoopsie.
• 56:39
  You know what I mean? Like he would have come up with
• 56:41
  something. So he goes back inside, sees the
• 56:45
  woman again, but eventually he meets Riley at their, like,
• 56:48
  little meeting point in between songs.
• 56:50
  And she's worried about him. And she's like, I just really
• 56:52
  want to see the concert. So, you know, he agrees to go,
• 56:55
  and then they're going to watch the concert together.
• 56:58
  As they are sitting down, she's explaining the Dreamer Girl
• 57:01
  thing to him. A song called Love You was
• 57:03
  playing. Yeah.
• 57:05
  Apparently she has a song called Dreamer Girl and every concert
• 57:08
  she picks somebody out of the crowd to come perform on stage
• 57:11
  with her. And you get to go backstage,
• 57:13
  which is why it really gets his attention because he's like, oh,
• 57:16
  that's our way out. So he looks around, finds
• 57:19
  somebody in like with staff gear on that has.
• 57:24
  Like a headset, it was somebody that looks like they are doing
• 57:27
  something for the show. And he starts complimenting Lady
• 57:30
  Raven, and he's like, oh, well, I'm actually her uncle.
• 57:32
  And he goes, oh, well, you know, that's my daughter.
• 57:35
  She's, you know, the one going even crazier than the rest.
• 57:38
  This is M night by the. Way yes it is M Night it's
• 57:41
  obligatory cameo and he explains you know this is just a little
• 57:47
  treat for her she just went through chemo or.
• 57:49
  Gentle leukemia. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:51
  And he kinda goes, hey, what are your seat numbers?
• 57:55
  Yeah, yeah, he knew what he was doing there.
• 57:57
  Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 57:59
  So then it gets to the part of the performance and they choose
• 58:04
  Raleigh to be the Dreamer girl. And when they get up to the
• 58:07
  stage, the cops are like, Oh, well, I need to question this
• 58:09
  guy 1st. And, you know, he kind of like,
• 58:12
  leans forward and whispers something.
• 58:13
  And you know, what he's saying is like, hey, the little girl
• 58:15
  had leukemia. They're like, just let them
• 58:17
  through. Yeah, yeah.
• 58:19
  And then he's over there playing it up as the dad.
• 58:20
  He's just like hugging A. Rally, yeah.
• 58:22
  And. Then be so excited for her,
• 58:23
  which she probably. Is Yeah, I think he actually
• 58:25
  legitimately is. Well.
• 58:26
  He's just the thing that he's like having to like, manage
• 58:28
  like, here's my one life that's like, awesome.
• 58:31
  Here's my other life, which is like completely collapsing right
• 58:34
  now. Yeah, it's yeah.
• 58:36
  But he's a, you know, his emotions are fucked.
• 58:39
  So yeah, I think he's handling this better than most people.
• 58:42
  So backstage the tour manager is explaining to Riley like what's
• 58:46
  going to happen and then Lady Raven calls her out and I love
• 58:49
  this part because we see Jodi in the stands freak out and her and
• 58:52
  her mom start screaming at each other and her mom goes.
• 58:56
  You little beast. Yeah.
• 58:58
  And then she, like, immediately goes to dance into the song,
• 59:00
  like right after. It's so fucking weird.
• 59:04
  Yeah, I like it. It's really funny.
• 59:06
  I love this and it also seems like Riley is better off without
• 59:09
  these Reds. Yeah, for sure.
• 59:10
  Yeah. This is the best type of revenge
• 59:13
  too, because she knows that they're there now.
• 59:14
  Yeah, so also while that's happening, Cooper has noticed
• 59:19
  that they've been taking some girls back behind that.
• 59:21
  It'll look like they're either too drunk or sick or.
• 59:23
  Whatever. They're younger girls and I
• 59:25
  think they're all dehydrated, which is a thing that happens at
• 59:28
  these types of shows. Oh, really?
• 59:29
  Yeah. They'll get dehydrated or like,
• 59:32
  have a blood sugar drop because they haven't eaten anything.
• 59:35
  And so they just have to go back.
• 59:36
  And that's why like he, he has like the ice pack and a juice
• 59:39
  and it's like you'll be OK in about 30 minutes.
• 59:41
  OK. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 59:42
  So yeah, they do the whole dreamer girl thing they're
• 59:45
  performing. He's just kind of clock in the
• 59:47
  area trying to figure out what's going on.
• 59:50
  He. Helps one of the girls that
• 59:51
  collapses. Yeah, once the performance is
• 59:53
  over, like a girl was about to fall and then he catches her,
• 59:56
  carries her into the medical tent and then gets her taken
• 59:59
  care of. The other medical workers are
• 1:00:01
  like, Oh my God, he's been amazing just helping out with
• 1:00:03
  all this. The manager's like, well, she
• 1:00:05
  wants to make sure she says goodbye, so come stand back at
• 1:00:07
  stage for the encore. And then you'll get to, you
• 1:00:11
  know, see her at her dressing room before she leaves and we'll
• 1:00:13
  give you some swag and. So like, they're in the back,
• 1:00:19
  they can see behind the stage where she's actually takes a
• 1:00:21
  puff of her inhaler. Respect.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. And then Kid Cudi's character
• 1:00:25
  comes out from behind because he's being brought up for the
• 1:00:28
  encore song and he's complaining about Lactaid milk.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah. So you're not going to be happy
• 1:00:34
  until I do to myself, aren't you?
• 1:00:36
  Yeah, it's like, so was he like, is lactate milk like lactose
• 1:00:41
  free? Yes.
• 1:00:41
  OK. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Well, either way, I love this whole thing of Kid Cudi being
• 1:00:46
  this diva. Yes, the entire time.
• 1:00:47
  He's so fucking mean to these people.
• 1:00:49
  And then he goes over and sees Lady Raven and he's so nice.
• 1:00:52
  And the song they play is called Divine.
• 1:00:54
  Divine. OK.
• 1:00:56
  And it's just straight up Kid Cudi up there at that point.
• 1:00:58
  Like the way he's even performing and singing is just
• 1:01:00
  sounds exactly the same. So after the show, we see Wayne
• 1:01:06
  Parker like, waves at Riley and she like, does her typical
• 1:01:09
  little middle school girl, like swoon.
• 1:01:12
  And then, you know, as we've discussed The Thinker, that's
• 1:01:17
  Kid Cudi's character yelling at his assistant, being very nice
• 1:01:19
  to Lady Raven, fist bumping Riley, and then flirting with
• 1:01:24
  Cooper. It's so funny.
• 1:01:27
  Okay so they're sitting back there and he overhears.
• 1:01:31
  Well okay, so the woman that's been assisting the entire time
• 1:01:34
  walks over to them is like okay, just wait right here for a
• 1:01:37
  little bit. Lady Raven will come back, and
• 1:01:39
  then she'll have her a little meet and greet, and then we'll
• 1:01:40
  do this whole thing. And then you'll go through this
• 1:01:42
  checkpoint over there through these cops, and they'll have a
• 1:01:44
  few questions for you. And then after that, it'll be
• 1:01:47
  gravy. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  But like, you know, he was hoping that there would be no
• 1:01:50
  cops in the backstage exit. And she's like very like saying
• 1:01:54
  the type of thing that you would to somebody some way they don't
• 1:01:57
  freak out in this kind of situation where like it's just a
• 1:01:59
  little bit more security than normal.
• 1:02:01
  We all have to do it. Only like Lady Raven and her
• 1:02:04
  close group get to go through without it implying that even
• 1:02:07
  like the tour manager doesn't get out of this.
• 1:02:10
  So, you know, he's obviously calculating from that.
• 1:02:15
  And he also overhears Lady Raven talking to the profiler.
• 1:02:19
  She has apparently been aware the whole time of what's going
• 1:02:22
  on, and she now knows that he hasn't been caught.
• 1:02:25
  So Lady Raven, she comes out, she's saying goodbye.
• 1:02:28
  She compliments Riley's ring. And Riley's like, oh, thanks.
• 1:02:30
  It was an antique. My dad found it for me.
• 1:02:33
  Of this like recurring thing about just like this random bit
• 1:02:36
  of jewelry that like, oh, he just gets the best deals and you
• 1:02:39
  know where he gets these from. That is so disturbing.
• 1:02:43
  It is dark, so dark. It's one thing, like, I know
• 1:02:48
  it's very common for serial killers to keep trophies from
• 1:02:51
  their victims, but to then give that to your family.
• 1:02:54
  You also have to think that for it to be something that fits
• 1:02:57
  her, it had to be like a small enough hand to fit a child.
• 1:03:00
  So did he kill kids too? Well, it was on her pointer
• 1:03:03
  finger, so. Does the pointer finger mature
• 1:03:08
  further than the rest of the fingers?
• 1:03:10
  That's. Probably a little bit bigger,
• 1:03:12
  that's what I'm saying, OK. That's the that's the one.
• 1:03:15
  That's when you know you hit puberty.
• 1:03:17
  When you're pointing your finger, it gets big.
• 1:03:18
  I'm gonna slap you with my clipboard.
• 1:03:20
  Don't do it, OK? You did it.
• 1:03:24
  All right? So he's like, OK, fuck it.
• 1:03:27
  Like, hey, Lady Raven comes over and he's like, all right, hey, I
• 1:03:30
  think you know about my daughter's condition.
• 1:03:33
  Do you mind if I talk to you privately for a few seconds?
• 1:03:35
  And this is when he basically carjacked her because he's like,
• 1:03:38
  hey, so you're looking for me, all of you, everybody here.
• 1:03:43
  I like how he he starts, obviously.
• 1:03:44
  So here's the thing about carbon monoxide.
• 1:03:47
  You know, it can be really, really deadly.
• 1:03:49
  It's like important to know this as a firefighter.
• 1:03:50
  And she's like, what does this have to do with leukemia?
• 1:03:54
  And then he shows her the video of Spencer, tells her a little
• 1:03:58
  bit about him. And he's like, I can release the
• 1:03:59
  carbon monoxide from here. So if you try and signal to
• 1:04:03
  anybody, if anything happens, Spencer will be dead before
• 1:04:06
  anybody can find him. So, you know, catch me, save
• 1:04:09
  him, catch me save him. What you're going to do is
• 1:04:12
  you're going to take us out there.
• 1:04:13
  You're going to declare in front of everybody that you're giving
• 1:04:15
  us a ride in your limo so we can get right past through security.
• 1:04:20
  So that's what he does, and that's what they do.
• 1:04:23
  And then in the limo, Lady Raven doing a little scheming of her
• 1:04:27
  own, She's like, hey, Riley, can I come see your house?
• 1:04:30
  And then this is where this movie kind of turns into A
• 1:04:33
  Christmas with you. It.
• 1:04:35
  Does it's? So hard for those of you who
• 1:04:37
  have watched that Netflix movie, you know.
• 1:04:39
  What was happening? Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  So yeah, they get the address. And I like how he, like, pulls
• 1:04:45
  up the phone there and he just, like, gives her like, a really
• 1:04:46
  stern face, like, you know, like, I'll fucking do it.
• 1:04:50
  I love Riley calling her mom and saying like, yeah, she wants to
• 1:04:53
  come see her house. No, mom, she doesn't care about
• 1:04:55
  the carpet. Yeah, I get that is 100% my mom.
• 1:04:58
  Be like, no, you cannot bring the celebrity to our house.
• 1:05:00
  I'm not prepared to have a celebrity in our house.
• 1:05:02
  That's true. But then when they get home
• 1:05:04
  later, she's like, do you want to see my room?
• 1:05:06
  OK, come. Like she gets her little
• 1:05:07
  brother's like OK, let's go clean it up real quick.
• 1:05:09
  So like, which one is it, Riley? I think probably the level of
• 1:05:14
  mess her mom is concerned about versus the level of mess in
• 1:05:17
  Riley's room were very different.
• 1:05:19
  Surely. So they get the address, they go
• 1:05:22
  there, and when they arrive at the house, the limousine driver
• 1:05:26
  is forced to stay there because, you know, he makes it clear that
• 1:05:30
  nobody else can come inside the house except for a Lady Raven.
• 1:05:33
  And he's like, you know, if, if the cop, he's like, I don't know
• 1:05:36
  what you think you're doing, but if the cops show up or anything
• 1:05:38
  like that happens, Spencer will be in 5 minutes.
• 1:05:41
  You don't know where he is. And so they're all sitting
• 1:05:45
  around eating pie. Pie is apparently also part of
• 1:05:48
  the celebration for Riley's good grades it.
• 1:05:50
  Seems that way, yeah. I mean it's.
• 1:05:51
  The Martha Stewart recipe. Yeah, so they're just sitting
• 1:05:56
  around just having a little chit chat.
• 1:05:58
  And this is where she's like talking or Lady Raven
• 1:06:02
  compliments the wife's Rachel, Rachel's necklace.
• 1:06:06
  He's like, yeah, Cooper got this for me.
• 1:06:08
  Just like he goes out at night sometimes he just comes back
• 1:06:11
  with the best deals. I don't know how he finds them.
• 1:06:15
  And then she teaches drama for the 5th grade and she's asking
• 1:06:21
  like what it's like to do a concert.
• 1:06:23
  And Lady Raven's like, oh, well, it was kind of strange today
• 1:06:25
  because there was a killer in attendance.
• 1:06:27
  His name's the Butcher. We had a profiler and we know
• 1:06:30
  that he's got a bunch of fake houses and he's what's called an
• 1:06:34
  organized defender, probably has OCD.
• 1:06:36
  He's got a dark colored car. And it's just like listing all
• 1:06:39
  of these things, like bad relationship with his mom, you
• 1:06:41
  know, a lot of things that Rachel already knows about.
• 1:06:44
  Her, it was so, yeah. And then when Cooper's like, you
• 1:06:47
  know What Car he drives, they're like, well, they don't really
• 1:06:49
  know exactly, but they kind of just assume because he seems
• 1:06:52
  like the type of dude they have OCD, so.
• 1:06:54
  And then she sees a piano and she's like, hey, do you need to
• 1:06:57
  play a song? And she has Riley sitting next
• 1:06:59
  to her. And when Riley sitting there,
• 1:07:00
  she like, sneaks her phone into her pocket and they play a song.
• 1:07:03
  And then she's like, hey, let's get a selfie real quick.
• 1:07:05
  And Riley's like, oh, no, I can't find my phone.
• 1:07:07
  And she goes, let's use your dad's, steals it real quick,
• 1:07:09
  takes the picture and then runs off to the bathroom.
• 1:07:12
  I think Cooper is justified in being upset with her in this
• 1:07:16
  moment. I don't give a fuck if you're a
• 1:07:17
  celebrity. You can't just fucking steal my
• 1:07:18
  phone and go to the bathroom with it.
• 1:07:20
  I'm not even a serial killer. That shit would have me livid.
• 1:07:24
  I think this is where it really breaks down that world between
• 1:07:29
  his two lives because he is reacting in a way that Rachel is
• 1:07:32
  like, dude, I get it, but you need to calm.
• 1:07:35
  Down everybody's leave her alone when he's following her to the
• 1:07:39
  bathroom like hey, can I have my phone back please give me my
• 1:07:42
  phone. I think that that's fair and
• 1:07:44
  everybody like super chill out like no, give him his phone back
• 1:07:48
  like that's not cool in this movie.
• 1:07:50
  I get it though, like whatever she's doing, what she needs to
• 1:07:53
  do. She walks herself in the
• 1:07:54
  bathroom. She talks to Spencer, gets some
• 1:07:57
  clues about where he's at. He was like, well, I had a bag
• 1:08:00
  over my head. But I did see that there was
• 1:08:01
  like, a statue of a lion, and it was partially broken.
• 1:08:05
  And then there was a blue door. And so she goes on Instagram
• 1:08:08
  Live, asks if anybody lives in Philadelphia, is near a statue
• 1:08:13
  of a broken lion, and if there's a house near there with the blue
• 1:08:17
  door. You want to know how I know this
• 1:08:18
  is bullshit? Somebody with the fame that she
• 1:08:22
  has, the incoming messages would be going too fast to read.
• 1:08:26
  Yes, absolutely. Right here.
• 1:08:27
  They're slowly scrolling. Yeah, here.
• 1:08:29
  I live near that house. Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Do you feel like I used to have a blue door?
• 1:08:33
  It's like the fucking Star Wars opening credits.
• 1:08:35
  He was like, yeah, like in reality you wouldn't be able to
• 1:08:40
  see anything. As somebody who hates trying to
• 1:08:42
  read comments on live videos though, I like that it was nice
• 1:08:44
  and slow. Well, yeah, it makes sense to.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah. Like, you know, for the movie's
• 1:08:48
  sake, Yeah. You know, whatever.
• 1:08:50
  So yeah, somebody is like, I know exactly which house your
• 1:08:53
  time match. She's like, cool, get some
• 1:08:55
  parents, get some adults, call the cops.
• 1:08:59
  There's a man named Spencer trapped in that basement.
• 1:09:01
  Yeah, also, if you know of a place that's all Gray, there's a
• 1:09:04
  dog that needs help too. Yeah, she needs all the belly
• 1:09:06
  scratches. Yes, like so many belly
• 1:09:08
  scratches. So like, while all that's
• 1:09:12
  happening, you can just hear this chaos going on outside.
• 1:09:14
  There's like a huge commotion between Cooper and the family.
• 1:09:18
  You hear shit getting knocked around?
• 1:09:20
  And then Lady Raven does something incredibly fucked up
• 1:09:24
  that puts the rest of the family in danger and says, Rachel, your
• 1:09:27
  husband is the butcher. Yeah, Does, yes.
• 1:09:30
  Rachel needs to know that. She deserves that for sure.
• 1:09:34
  Doing it when he's already in a state where it sounds like maybe
• 1:09:37
  he has potentially started murdering one or more.
• 1:09:40
  That's why I thought was happening when we first watched
• 1:09:42
  this. I was like, oh, he's killing
• 1:09:44
  them. Damn.
• 1:09:45
  I really thought when she when he gets her out of the bathroom
• 1:09:48
  that we were going to see just like blood everywhere.
• 1:09:51
  I was honestly shocked but he didn't come in there and just
• 1:09:53
  fucking massacre her right there.
• 1:09:55
  But I feel like he also wanted to keep her as like a bargaining
• 1:09:58
  chip if anything were to happen, like a hostage situation.
• 1:10:02
  I think he wanted to do his murder and his own style.
• 1:10:05
  Yeah, because of his OCD. So what he actually did was he
• 1:10:09
  locked them all upstairs in Riley's room.
• 1:10:11
  He gets the master key and opens the bathroom door, asks for all
• 1:10:15
  of the phones back and sees that Spencer's free.
• 1:10:19
  And he's like, OK, so we're gonna go to the car.
• 1:10:22
  It's very important. My hands stay on your shoulder.
• 1:10:24
  If I sense in you that you were about to do something, that
• 1:10:28
  won't be good for you. So don't try and do something.
• 1:10:30
  And then he goes into the garage.
• 1:10:32
  He's got like a secret go bag in the sitting compartment in the
• 1:10:35
  wall. And they get into the car and
• 1:10:38
  she starts using like kind of a script that I'm assuming the
• 1:10:42
  profiler had told them that they could use if they find
• 1:10:45
  themselves in a situation like this.
• 1:10:47
  I felt I got the impression that she was winging.
• 1:10:50
  I think that she knew about the mom situation.
• 1:10:53
  So and like that, like maybe speaking like that could help.
• 1:10:56
  But it seemed like she was winging in this moment here,
• 1:11:00
  just giving like pretending to be his mom, like Cooper, you
• 1:11:03
  can't. You don't have to be a monster.
• 1:11:04
  Monsters aren't real. And he's like, oh, they are
• 1:11:06
  real. And when he opens the garage
• 1:11:09
  door, his family is there and the cops are coming too, because
• 1:11:12
  she had managed to text Jeremiah before Cooper opens the door.
• 1:11:16
  So, Lady Raven. She slowly gets out of the car
• 1:11:22
  and joins the family and she's like, OK, you guys come with me,
• 1:11:25
  We're going to go to the limo. Yeah, but then that's when the
• 1:11:28
  cops. Blow and when they're walking
• 1:11:30
  away. I love this of him just giving
• 1:11:33
  like fatherly advice like. Rachel, the water repair
• 1:11:35
  heaters, the water heater repair guy is going to be here on
• 1:11:38
  Tuesday. Don't let him talk you into
• 1:11:39
  buying a new one. The one we have is perfectly
• 1:11:41
  fine. Riley.
• 1:11:42
  Everything's going to be OK with those girls at school.
• 1:11:45
  Leo. Is that the kids?
• 1:11:46
  I don't know. You got a school project.
• 1:11:48
  That young and be named Leo, that's an appropriate.
• 1:11:52
  Yeah, and he's like, you got a project next week?
• 1:11:53
  Whatever. Don't.
• 1:11:54
  Forget about it, science bitch. It seems like he's going to be
• 1:12:01
  arrested. And Lady Raven's getting in her
• 1:12:03
  limo and Cooper goes inside and he's cleaning.
• 1:12:06
  He empties out one of the closets.
• 1:12:10
  And then we hear the cops saying that like, oh, we found
• 1:12:12
  something. Oh, it's a closet.
• 1:12:15
  There's a tunnel leading to the neighbor's yard.
• 1:12:17
  Meanwhile, one of the swap members swaps out with Jeremiah,
• 1:12:20
  saying that like he's going to handle the driving.
• 1:12:23
  Oh well, go figure, it's Cooper. So he cuffs Lady Raven to like
• 1:12:30
  the bar area of her lomo, and he's like, listen, there are a
• 1:12:34
  lot of vacant houses with code violations that stay empty for
• 1:12:38
  years, and it's a waste of space in my opinion.
• 1:12:41
  So we're going to go to one of these safe houses.
• 1:12:43
  I got the urge when I saw you backstage.
• 1:12:45
  Anytime I see somebody that thinks they're whole because
• 1:12:47
  nobody's whole. They get to a crowded area.
• 1:12:51
  And she manages to reach just enough to roll down a window and
• 1:12:54
  say help. He rolls the window back up, but
• 1:12:57
  that was enough for like the crowd to kind of swarm in front
• 1:13:00
  and not let him pass. And she is able to shake loose
• 1:13:04
  from the bar and she gets out. SWAT comes by, they shoot out
• 1:13:10
  the tires, and then they are like telling him that he needs
• 1:13:12
  to come out. He doesn't.
• 1:13:14
  So they shoot. But actually it's just a bunch
• 1:13:16
  of SWAT gear propped up. He had taken some of the merch
• 1:13:18
  in the front seat and was dressed as a civilian and got
• 1:13:22
  away when they were trying to get everybody else away from the
• 1:13:24
  limo. We see a scene of Spencer being
• 1:13:28
  rescued, Lady Raven hugging the fan that helped and hugging
• 1:13:32
  Spencer. And that's kind of the closure
• 1:13:34
  for her story. She did the things that she
• 1:13:38
  thought she was supposed to be doing that day.
• 1:13:40
  Yeah, she she ended up saving people.
• 1:13:44
  She she, she good person. Yeah, it was not meant to be her
• 1:13:47
  job, but, you know, she took that on.
• 1:13:50
  Rachel talks to the profiler in her house, and he's.
• 1:13:53
  She says that, you know, nobody would have figured besides maybe
• 1:13:56
  a parent once when he was younger.
• 1:13:58
  You know, I know that your kids are with your sister.
• 1:14:03
  We can put you all in a safe house together.
• 1:14:05
  And Rachel's like, no, I just, I need to be alone.
• 1:14:09
  I can't be around people right now.
• 1:14:11
  And then she says, well, we'll leave some cruisers outside.
• 1:14:14
  She goes to make some tea. And as she's making tea, Cooper
• 1:14:16
  appears in the darkness. And he's saying, like, isn't it
• 1:14:20
  funny how we just know each other so well after all these
• 1:14:22
  years? And he's like, when did you
• 1:14:27
  figure out? When did you start to get
• 1:14:29
  suspicious? Did you think I was having an
• 1:14:32
  affair? And you followed me?
• 1:14:33
  And she was like, no, I didn't think it was an affair.
• 1:14:36
  But your clothes, they didn't smell like the cleaner at the
• 1:14:39
  Firehouse. They smelled like the hospital
• 1:14:40
  cleaners. Yeah, he's like, there's
• 1:14:42
  something I could do with that. So then he starts to take off
• 1:14:44
  his shirt then and there, which I don't really understand why he
• 1:14:47
  takes off his shirt in this moment.
• 1:14:49
  It really isn't clear. Yeah, I still don't understand.
• 1:14:52
  And she's like, well, let's have, let's finish up the pie.
• 1:14:55
  This right here, look, I think this right here could be a weak
• 1:14:59
  part in the script because all of the things that are happening
• 1:15:02
  here are just not really quick. And for all the things that
• 1:15:05
  we've seen from him, why would he?
• 1:15:07
  His shirt before he kills every victim is that the is the last
• 1:15:11
  thing they see Just Josh Hartnett and buttoning is
• 1:15:14
  flannel. I mean, it could be.
• 1:15:15
  But like what I was saying was it just feels like all the
• 1:15:21
  things that we've seen from his character where he's so smart
• 1:15:23
  and he's able to like, see steps ahead and I'll maneuver
• 1:15:27
  everybody. But like, she's like, hey, let's
• 1:15:30
  eat this pie before you kill me. And he's like, OK, yeah, let's
• 1:15:33
  do it. Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  She also saw him lie really convincingly to a neighbor,
• 1:15:37
  like, to the point where she would have believed it if she
• 1:15:39
  hadn't known that I was a lie. And so she followed him to one
• 1:15:42
  of the safe houses, and it's a safe house that he goes to just
• 1:15:44
  to think and plot and whatnot. And so she found the receipt in
• 1:15:50
  his wallet and just ripped part of it just enough and left it in
• 1:15:54
  there and called anonymously to say that she thought that that
• 1:15:57
  house was being used and the police presence there was enough
• 1:16:00
  to make him never use it again. And then this is when he's when
• 1:16:04
  she gives the pie and he just agrees to it.
• 1:16:06
  You're right, he's not suspicious of it at all and is
• 1:16:09
  not saying anything about it being an appropriate time to eat
• 1:16:11
  pie. I think she, I think that's why
• 1:16:15
  she kind of invoked Riley's name in that moment, though.
• 1:16:18
  Like this was Riley's pie. This was to celebrate her.
• 1:16:20
  Let's just finish this up. Yeah, I can see it.
• 1:16:22
  But at the same time we see he's no longer separating his parts
• 1:16:28
  of his life when he was like he put blinders on before whenever
• 1:16:32
  he was living his home life, though we've seen how he
• 1:16:35
  analyzes the room anytime, whenever he was in like serial
• 1:16:40
  killer mode. And I feel like that right there
• 1:16:42
  is just, it kind of it doesn't track with what we've seen of
• 1:16:45
  him. Two things 1.
• 1:16:49
  He thought this was a stalling tactic because he was like, you
• 1:16:51
  know, I'm going to be done in five bites anyway, so it's not
• 1:16:54
  delaying the. So why even why even entertain
• 1:16:57
  it? Because I think also, too, he's
• 1:17:00
  got, he's not in his usual headspace when he does these
• 1:17:05
  things, you know, he said. He's never felt this particular
• 1:17:08
  kind of rage before, so I think he's not on his A game.
• 1:17:13
  So angry I'm going to eat this pie before I kill you.
• 1:17:16
  Yes, makes sense. The classic anchor pie, you
• 1:17:20
  know. Yeah, you've totally convinced
• 1:17:23
  me. So yeah, but when he like, looks
• 1:17:29
  at the dust from it, he realizes that it was crushed pills from
• 1:17:33
  his own supply. He left the bag, the cops left
• 1:17:35
  the bag. And she just figured, you know,
• 1:17:38
  she needed to do something. He starts to try and walk away.
• 1:17:41
  Then he sees his mom again and is like being called towards
• 1:17:46
  her. And when he steps through her
• 1:17:47
  doorway, he gets tased. And I think the tasing has like
• 1:17:50
  an opposite effect of the drugs, like it kicks up his heart.
• 1:17:53
  Yeah, well, also were they in the entire time?
• 1:17:56
  I think so. So they like but he snuck in.
• 1:18:01
  I think, I don't know. I just, they were there.
• 1:18:05
  I think they knew something like this was gonna happen.
• 1:18:07
  I think it was a plan. Look, the ending falls apart a
• 1:18:11
  little bit. Like I love this movie but holy
• 1:18:14
  shit. Like trying to think about
• 1:18:15
  what's happening here. I'm just confused by certain
• 1:18:17
  things. Well, boy he he takes.
• 1:18:21
  What I wanna know is who dresses him before putting him in the
• 1:18:24
  cuffs because he has a shirt on when he's being led to the van.
• 1:18:27
  Yeah, also he gouged the fucking guy's eyes.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah, in this moment here, like not only did the Tasers not
• 1:18:33
  work, he, like you said, it invigorated him to continue
• 1:18:37
  killing. Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  So yeah, they get him shackled and dressed, and they lead him
• 1:18:41
  towards the van. And the kids arrive back at the
• 1:18:45
  house, and Riley, like, runs over and wants to hug him.
• 1:18:48
  And the profiler is like, let this happen.
• 1:18:51
  Like, this child is going to be traumatized enough, let her hug
• 1:18:55
  her dad. And then he also asks to fix the
• 1:18:58
  bike because it's knocked over. And here's the thing.
• 1:19:01
  It's a crucial piece of his profiler profile that he's
• 1:19:05
  strongly suspected to have OCDI could see it being a thing,
• 1:19:08
  like, let's not agitate him more.
• 1:19:11
  Let's let him do a thing that will relieve some of the
• 1:19:13
  agitation. Probably a miscalculation on
• 1:19:15
  their part because he does sneak a spoke out of the tire.
• 1:19:20
  That's a hard sentence. Yeah, I don't have a problem
• 1:19:25
  with that. I don't either.
• 1:19:26
  I just, I know that's an argument I've read from some
• 1:19:29
  people and I've heard from some people and that's my counter.
• 1:19:32
  All the things that I'm saying right now, I they're not things
• 1:19:35
  that make me hate this movie, which I think is what a lot of
• 1:19:38
  people are saying when they're trying.
• 1:19:39
  Like, no, this shit makes sense. Like to me, I'm like, yeah, not
• 1:19:42
  that makes sense. Isn't the great?
• 1:19:43
  Yeah, like, it's fun. Yeah, it's just a fun and silly
• 1:19:46
  movie, but it's also got really tense moments.
• 1:19:50
  So he gets into the van and then we just see him pull that spoke
• 1:19:53
  out of his sleeve and starts picking at his locks and.
• 1:19:56
  Then music plays and then he just smiles and he's like, all
• 1:20:00
  right, here we fucking go again. To a song called Pieces.
• 1:20:03
  Yes, by Lady Raven. By Lady Raven yeah, then we do
• 1:20:07
  get a mid credits scene which we forgot to watch this last night,
• 1:20:10
  but I can already tell you what happened because I remember it
• 1:20:13
  was a fantastic scene. We cut to Jamie on the couch
• 1:20:16
  after a long day of work and he turns on the news and finds out
• 1:20:21
  the the butcher was caught and oh, when you know it's a.
• 1:20:24
  It's Cooper. His face is like motherfucker.
• 1:20:29
  Yeah, what a fantastic ending. Yeah, I love this movie so much,
• 1:20:34
  I really do, and I'm keeping it in a nine and a half.
• 1:20:37
  Yeah, I think I'm keeping mine at a nine.
• 1:20:39
  OK. Yeah, Like I just like there.
• 1:20:42
  I just wanna like, analyze it critically and just like, you
• 1:20:48
  know, pick it apart at certain parts.
• 1:20:49
  And this movie, there's so many times you can do that, but it
• 1:20:53
  just doesn't really take away from my enjoyment.
• 1:20:55
  Yeah, I guess if there was anything that I would change
• 1:21:00
  with it, I don't know. I would find a better way to get
• 1:21:05
  him in the end just seeing how well like he escaped the fucking
• 1:21:10
  profiler like all of these people and then he's thwarted by
• 1:21:14
  the mom sneaking some drugs in his pie.
• 1:21:17
  I think it would have helped if we could have kept the running
• 1:21:20
  narration from the profiler because in the stadium it kind
• 1:21:24
  of helped keep that cat and mouse thing because we knew that
• 1:21:27
  she knew what he was about to do.
• 1:21:29
  So like we're like, OK, this is how we're raising the stakes
• 1:21:32
  here. How is he going to get out of
• 1:21:33
  this one? So I think you know that whole
• 1:21:35
  like them being in the house, we can speculate if this was a
• 1:21:39
  planned set up or not, but we don't know for sure the way we
• 1:21:43
  can at other points in the movie.
• 1:21:44
  I. Don't think they could have
• 1:21:45
  counted on her finding his bag. She it was like an impromptu
• 1:21:50
  thing where she found his bags like, oh, this is the drug that
• 1:21:53
  he. Used or that's the line she told
• 1:21:55
  him and she was lying. The cops just gave it to her.
• 1:21:59
  Could be like I think you see the bag though.
• 1:22:01
  That's what I'm saying. Yes, we do see the bag.
• 1:22:04
  The cops could have given her back the bag.
• 1:22:06
  I don't see any point for her to lie.
• 1:22:08
  At that point when she got him, she was already like playing her
• 1:22:10
  hand right there. You know what?
• 1:22:12
  What point is there to lie? She's being upfront about
• 1:22:14
  everything else. My point is that at this point
• 1:22:16
  it becomes speculation, whereas in the arena we knew like what
• 1:22:20
  the stakes were every step of the way.
• 1:22:22
  OK, that's all I was trying to say.
• 1:22:24
  OK, I, I that's fine. That's still the thing that I
• 1:22:27
  would change though, you know, like don't make it that like,
• 1:22:31
  let's make it a little bit more clear maybe.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I want, I don't want to
• 1:22:35
  speculate. I want to know for sure what's.
• 1:22:37
  Happening. I thought you were offering.
• 1:22:38
  Explanations. No, I'm saying that I think
• 1:22:40
  that's part of why that falls apart is because before, like
• 1:22:43
  prior to this, we'd had both sides.
• 1:22:46
  I see what you're saying. Yeah, I gotcha.
• 1:22:47
  OK. So Talia, goodness, she was not
• 1:22:52
  prepared for this movie. I think it was going a little
• 1:22:54
  bit too hard for her. She was knocking down her
• 1:22:56
  blankies. She was sighing.
• 1:23:00
  She was having a time. She was having a time, I think
• 1:23:04
  she related really hard to seeing Spencer being monitored
• 1:23:07
  on a camera. I don't.
• 1:23:09
  I hate that that's the thing that she related to a person, a
• 1:23:13
  victim of a serial killer. So I think Talia would give
• 1:23:18
  this. 6. Six Why do you think?
• 1:23:23
  6 Well, I don't think she hated it because I think she enjoyed
• 1:23:26
  the songs and I think that she enjoyed the tension of it.
• 1:23:30
  But I think that the whole thing of like, being reminded that we
• 1:23:36
  watch her on the camera didn't really give her good emotions.
• 1:23:41
  Or did it up the tension for her?
• 1:23:44
  I don't know what are you thinking she would give it?
• 1:23:48
  I was thinking closer to 7:00 or 8:00.
• 1:23:50
  OK, you can throw it up to seven, OK.
• 1:23:53
  Yeah. I mean, she didn't.
• 1:23:55
  She wasn't captivated by this one like she has been other
• 1:23:57
  movies before. You know, I didn't get the
• 1:23:59
  impression that she left this one.
• 1:24:00
  OK. Yeah, she might be more of a
• 1:24:02
  Chad in this sense here. OK, Chad, you got one person on
• 1:24:07
  your side then. Maybe she's still positive.
• 1:24:09
  Yeah, she's a 7. That's a that's a really good
• 1:24:11
  rate. OK, Zoe's ultimate warrior.
• 1:24:18
  I think it was Jamie. Why Jamie?
• 1:24:22
  Cuz I think Zoe would be really excited to like, know the inside
• 1:24:26
  scoop of something and I don't think she'd be able to stop
• 1:24:28
  herself from blurting it out. Yeah, she's not good at like,
• 1:24:32
  hiding her hand. No, she's not.
• 1:24:35
  She's she's also easy to manipulate.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah. Yeah, she's a sweet Kitty.
• 1:24:43
  She is. She's not as devious as she
• 1:24:46
  thinks she is, No. Yeah.
• 1:24:47
  Dream sequel. Dream sequel.
• 1:24:50
  There is a potential for it with him freeing himself at the end
• 1:24:54
  there. I really would just want to see
• 1:24:56
  him on the lamb, you know he's on the lamb.
• 1:24:58
  Yeah, there. I feel like they're, I don't
• 1:25:02
  know, I feel like I could be making this up, but there is an
• 1:25:06
  argument. Could this play into his whole
• 1:25:08
  universe of like physically gifted people?
• 1:25:12
  Because at the end there where he tanks the I know that a lot
• 1:25:15
  of people have issues with him tanking the stun guns at the end
• 1:25:18
  there like the Tasers. Do you think that he's like a
• 1:25:21
  James McAvoy type guy where he's like he's in beast mode?
• 1:25:26
  No, I really think it was just like kind of, you know, if you
• 1:25:30
  have a like a heart slowing drug and then you get a shot of
• 1:25:34
  adrenaline, I think the Taser was just kind of acting as an
• 1:25:36
  adrenaline see or like an AED I've.
• 1:25:39
  Seen videos where people get tased and they have no effect
• 1:25:42
  but that's because the Taser doesn't properly latch but I
• 1:25:46
  don't know if that happens on skin.
• 1:25:49
  It's usually like it gets on to the fabric and it doesn't tase
• 1:25:53
  you properly. No I think it like restarted his
• 1:25:56
  heart. Like it jump started his heart.
• 1:25:57
  Yeah, no, I'm just explaining like that.
• 1:26:01
  It's a thing that does normally happen to people, like don't
• 1:26:03
  have an effect. But I don't think it happens to
• 1:26:05
  shirtless people. That's my question.
• 1:26:07
  Does it happen to shirtless people?
• 1:26:09
  I don't know. I'm not saying that it didn't
• 1:26:11
  have an effect, I'm saying it had an opposite effect of what
• 1:26:14
  they wanted. We were talking in circles.
• 1:26:16
  No, because you're saying. That I'm not making any
• 1:26:19
  argument, I'm just saying I'm offering explanation to people
• 1:26:22
  out there who are complaining about it not having an effect.
• 1:26:25
  I'm saying it's a real thing that happens.
• 1:26:27
  Like sometimes they don't have effects too.
• 1:26:30
  It could be your thing where you are saying it like amped him up
• 1:26:34
  from the jolt. I'm saying it could also be it
• 1:26:37
  just didn't. You never said it in a could
• 1:26:40
  also be kind of way. You were like, no, it's just not
• 1:26:42
  having an effect. That's how it was sounding.
• 1:26:45
  OK, Next up. Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  We never actually said anything for a sequel though.
• 1:26:50
  I said I want him on the Lam. Is that the extent of it?
• 1:26:53
  I don't, I will just watch whatever with it honestly.
• 1:26:58
  So you just whatever, you just, you don't care.
• 1:27:01
  Well, I want to watch him keep running.
• 1:27:03
  I don't have a specific idea beyond that.
• 1:27:05
  OK, OK. What is your idea?
• 1:27:07
  Well. I don't know, I was going to
• 1:27:09
  like workshop one with you. OK, he's on the Lam.
• 1:27:13
  Go. Is it just him do we like?
• 1:27:18
  Should we include anybody else? Like does Lady Raven come back
• 1:27:21
  into the picture in some point? I don't know if there's an
• 1:27:24
  organic way to do that. Yeah, I don't know if she really
• 1:27:26
  belongs. I feel like it's got to be
• 1:27:28
  something with the profile or so though, because it was almost
• 1:27:31
  like set up as her, her, his, his rival right there.
• 1:27:36
  Yeah, his match. And it's meant to be like the
• 1:27:37
  kind of Silence of the Lambs thing.
• 1:27:39
  Yeah. She is Clarice.
• 1:27:42
  Yeah, I think it could also be interesting to see him actually
• 1:27:46
  in bars. Like he's trapped in prison and
• 1:27:50
  now he's like, this is how he gets out of prison.
• 1:27:54
  I would love to see him do like a law abiding citizen type
• 1:27:56
  thing. That would be cool, too.
• 1:27:58
  Yeah. But yeah, OK, we could do either
• 1:28:01
  one of those. OK.
• 1:28:02
  Just like the thing I'm thinking of is like, it's kind of like
• 1:28:05
  the concert scene, but like amped up more because, like,
• 1:28:08
  he's in prison. Like, how the fuck is he
• 1:28:09
  escaping? It's like a prison escape movie.
• 1:28:12
  I'm just picturing that scene from Fast 9.
• 1:28:16
  Or is it Fast 10? Which?
• 1:28:20
  One Hobbs and Shaw in the prison.
• 1:28:22
  That's nine. OK, Yeah.
• 1:28:24
  That's what I'm picturing. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 1:28:26
  Yeah. He he just happens to be in the
• 1:28:29
  same prison with Hobbs and Shaw and that's how he gets out.
• 1:28:31
  That's not what I was going for. But no, I know.
• 1:28:34
  Yeah. But like, it can be.
• 1:28:36
  Yeah. That'd be.
• 1:28:37
  That's its own movie. He gets like pulled into the
• 1:28:39
  entourage of Fast and Furious. I would love that.
• 1:28:42
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:28:43
  Who did you relate to? I related to Cooper wanting the
• 1:28:47
  the funnel cake thing. He didn't actually want it, but
• 1:28:51
  you know, I would go walking around for funnel cake.
• 1:28:55
  OK, what about you? I related to Lady Raven taking a
• 1:28:59
  puff of that albuterol between sets.
• 1:29:01
  I knew you were gonna say that. Tagline.
• 1:29:05
  Tagline. How will he fly the Cooper?
• 1:29:11
  How will he? Yeah, OK, let's do that.
• 1:29:20
  I like it. It's very silly and nonsensical,
• 1:29:24
  much like this. Movie.
• 1:29:25
  That's true. It's fitting.
• 1:29:27
  OK, cool. All right.
• 1:29:29
  Now it's the time for reviews. Yes, OK, this felt like a
• 1:29:32
  Lifetime movie. Harnett and the daughter acted
• 1:29:38
  well that the singer was obviously picked because she's
• 1:29:40
  Shyamalan's daughter and the movie comes across as a
• 1:29:42
  nepotistic showcase for her singing.
• 1:29:44
  The songs are very mediocre and yet the audience is going nuts
• 1:29:47
  like it's Taylor Swift. Who the fuck cares about that?
• 1:29:49
  It's a Are you reviewing the song, like the album or like the
• 1:29:55
  movie? I don't understand how they can
• 1:29:58
  bring in hundreds of cops to search for a man if they don't
• 1:30:00
  know what he looks like. Their plan is to separate all
• 1:30:03
  men and interrogate all 20,000 of them.
• 1:30:05
  That is not the number that they said.
• 1:30:06
  There was. The The man is a genius at
• 1:30:10
  solving problems. He can design A remote carbon
• 1:30:12
  monoxide mobile release system, yet when faced with a locked
• 1:30:15
  bathroom door, he can't get through it.
• 1:30:17
  A bit later, he's able to remove a spoke from a bicycle without
• 1:30:21
  onlookers noticing, and then he uses it to pick handcuffs.
• 1:30:24
  Where was your genius brain when the bathroom door was stopping
• 1:30:27
  you? You know, for real, during that
• 1:30:29
  scene I thought the whole mentioning him being a
• 1:30:31
  firefighter thing was going to be him having an axe.
• 1:30:34
  Oh my God. Busting into that door there,
• 1:30:39
  that's an interesting take away from the movie there.
• 1:30:44
  The song sucked. I didn't like the concert.
• 1:30:47
  He's really good at solving problems, so.
• 1:30:49
  It just sounds like maybe that's not your style of music, which
• 1:30:52
  is fine. Yeah.
• 1:30:55
  He was looking for the master key to the bathroom.
• 1:30:58
  Like he says it multiple times. Like he says, where is the
• 1:31:00
  master key? Rachel, Rachel, where is the
• 1:31:02
  key? And then we hear he is jingling
• 1:31:05
  before he opens the door. It's like that was his plan.
• 1:31:08
  Also at that point, like he's not wanting to like ruin his
• 1:31:12
  family. I think he still cares for them.
• 1:31:14
  He was just trying to like, usher them up into the room and,
• 1:31:17
  you know, not destroy their door.
• 1:31:19
  He's still like, there's a way to salvage this, Yeah.
• 1:31:23
  So yeah, I mean, this movie has a lot of nonsensical stuff going
• 1:31:26
  on, but like. It's fun to watch an evil
• 1:31:31
  genius. Yeah, it really is.
• 1:31:33
  That's part of the appeal of it. And I could also get like, if
• 1:31:36
  you really don't like this style of music, yeah, it might be kind
• 1:31:38
  of hard to immerse yourself in the setting of this for that
• 1:31:42
  long. Well, that that just doesn't
• 1:31:44
  make sense. It's not like it's the
• 1:31:47
  soundtrack to the movie, because that's the thing that I would,
• 1:31:49
  you know, you can legitimately criticize, but it's diegetic.
• 1:31:53
  It's like a part of the movie. They're at a concert.
• 1:31:56
  Yeah. And he's there for his daughter.
• 1:31:58
  He doesn't give a shit about the music.
• 1:32:00
  He's there trying to figure out his way out.
• 1:32:02
  I don't think you're really supposed to care about the music
• 1:32:05
  being performed at all. And I mean, she had multiple
• 1:32:12
  sold out concerts. Like, it's part of the movie.
• 1:32:14
  She's a fictional singer. Lady Raven is.
• 1:32:17
  Yeah. This isn't Silica performing.
• 1:32:19
  This is Lady Raven. Yeah.
• 1:32:22
  And concerts sell out. You don't necessarily have to
• 1:32:27
  like the art. Like, sorry, maybe you're
• 1:32:30
  getting older and you don't want to admit that.
• 1:32:33
  Reviewer. Or it's just not your genre.
• 1:32:34
  Yeah, you know, whatever. Like, if you don't like that
• 1:32:37
  genre, that's totally fine too. OK, OK.
• 1:32:40
  Yeah, listener reviews. Yeah, we do.
• 1:32:43
  All right, So all right, they're all over on Twitter today.
• 1:32:47
  If you've send any on Instagram. I'm sorry I posted the same day
• 1:32:53
  because I was really late about getting this posted today.
• 1:32:56
  We've had a long weekend and our sense of time is very.
• 1:32:59
  Speed up. Yeah, OK, so we'll start off
• 1:33:04
  with Jurassic Souls. Who says?
• 1:33:06
  I actually thought it was pretty fun.
• 1:33:07
  Awesome score, too. OK, so he actually likes the
• 1:33:11
  music in this, so that's cool. Yeah, I didn't really pay too
• 1:33:16
  much attention to the score other than the songs being
• 1:33:19
  played by Weighty Raven. I think the song was pretty.
• 1:33:22
  The songs were pretty decent. But I am gonna say that I do
• 1:33:25
  think that Sky Riley wins in the battle between the two for me.
• 1:33:29
  Yeah, I agree. Because like, I've had new brain
• 1:33:31
  stuck in my head since we saw it.
• 1:33:32
  Yeah, yeah. Word, Zombie says.
• 1:33:35
  I was just about to post that if you talked about this movie, it
• 1:33:38
  might change my mind about seeing it.
• 1:33:39
  He he said that he he said that he hadn't seen it before, but he
• 1:33:44
  had heard nothing but bad things about it.
• 1:33:46
  Well, here are good things about it.
• 1:33:48
  So, yeah, and I've seen a lot of positive talk about it online
• 1:33:53
  too. So I don't know, I guess it's
• 1:33:55
  just it's a mixed bag out there right now.
• 1:33:58
  But yeah, check it out for yourself, you know, give it A
• 1:34:01
  and let us know if you do like it if you watch it.
• 1:34:04
  All right. Doctor Queely Boobs says I
• 1:34:07
  enjoyed this movie. Kind of messed up.
• 1:34:09
  I found myself reading for Cooper, then he pulled that oil
• 1:34:12
  fryer shit and you remember he's a fucking sociopath.
• 1:34:15
  I was a little disappointed with the end, but that's because I
• 1:34:18
  was expecting like a major M night twist.
• 1:34:21
  Fun movie overall though. I think the twist was meant to
• 1:34:24
  be that the wife set him up. I think that was like the
• 1:34:27
  signature twist. I think that was it, too, yeah.
• 1:34:31
  Or that the movie just never ends and we're still at the
• 1:34:33
  movie theater right now. I do think, though, that they
• 1:34:36
  have to throw in those moments of like, blowing up the oil and
• 1:34:41
  gouging out the one guy's eyes, like remind us that like.
• 1:34:45
  He's not a good guy. Yes, like we're following him.
• 1:34:47
  He's our main character, but he's not a good guy.
• 1:34:51
  He's not the hero. Yeah, although you do kind of
• 1:34:54
  like I found myself, like, I want to see him get like, you
• 1:34:58
  know, I don't want to watch a movie.
• 1:34:59
  Like a guy goes to a concert where he's like, it's a setup
• 1:35:02
  and he gets arrested. OK Like, that doesn't sound fun
• 1:35:05
  to me. I wanna see there be some
• 1:35:07
  conflict there where he actually does progress.
• 1:35:11
  Yeah. They did a good balance with it.
• 1:35:14
  Joe Fistatron. Yeah.
• 1:35:17
  It says, and that Shyamalan movies don't take place in a
• 1:35:20
  realistic world. They're surreal and an
• 1:35:22
  understated way. When you keep that in mind and
• 1:35:25
  grant this movie The leeway to just let things play out, it is
• 1:35:28
  so much fun. Great performances by some,
• 1:35:31
  great pace overall and fun dark humor.
• 1:35:34
  And this is what that's a very good quick summation of what I
• 1:35:38
  say about this movie. You have to just accept reality
• 1:35:41
  is a little bit different and it's got a very weird sense of
• 1:35:43
  humor. You know, and that's actually,
• 1:35:46
  actually true from every M9 movie I've ever seen.
• 1:35:48
  They're all in weirdly fictitious worlds.
• 1:35:51
  Yeah. There's something about it that
• 1:35:53
  makes it not fully grounded. Kintra says.
• 1:35:57
  Prayers for Chad. Chad.
• 1:36:02
  I'm sorry, buddy, but he. He gave a very good rundown of
• 1:36:06
  why he didn't like. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:36:07
  I don't have his rant available for this episode, but you know
• 1:36:13
  it was justified. There are reasons to not like
• 1:36:15
  this thing. And finally, Sky Riley's Stand
• 1:36:21
  page, otherwise known as Tyler Yes says.
• 1:36:25
  As someone who hasn't always been super pleased with in
• 1:36:28
  Nights films as of late, this was a great time for me.
• 1:36:31
  Josh Hardin and it was chilling and also funny to me.
• 1:36:34
  I can't believe how much he got away with.
• 1:36:36
  Lady Raven is lovely. I love the music so much in this
• 1:36:39
  film. Great time.
• 1:36:40
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:36:42
  And he also, I saw he agreed with you that if it's between
• 1:36:46
  the two of them, Raven and Sky, Sky wins, yes.
• 1:36:50
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Naomi Scott fucking
• 1:36:53
  killed it. Yeah, that's.
• 1:36:54
  Smile too. God, if you have been teetering
• 1:36:58
  with the idea of watching it, definitely watch it.
• 1:37:00
  And if you have the ability to do these movies is a double
• 1:37:03
  feature, also do that. Yeah, because it's fun.
• 1:37:06
  It is a really fun double feature and this is a fun movie.
• 1:37:10
  And this is a good one to end it on because it's, for all the
• 1:37:15
  darkness of it, it's got a sense of humor that kind of like,
• 1:37:18
  lifts you up after. Yeah, the bummer themes that
• 1:37:21
  surround the Smile movies. Yeah, this The Smile movies go a
• 1:37:24
  little bit more hard on the making you not feel good.
• 1:37:27
  Yeah, like. And trap is like, oh, this one
• 1:37:29
  is kind of fun. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:31
  Like he. Got out again, guys.
• 1:37:33
  What? What now?
• 1:37:36
  OK, that's it for trap. That's it.
• 1:37:38
  Where is it? It is.
• 1:37:40
  For now. But is it?
• 1:37:41
  Yeah, it is next week. We are actually already on to
• 1:37:46
  our Patreon voted movie and we gave them the option basically
• 1:37:52
  because it's it's Thanksgiving month and it's all about family
• 1:37:56
  and it's all about chowing down. So we had a couple of similar
• 1:38:01
  choices and what came out on top of Zombieland.
• 1:38:04
  Zombieland. So Zombieland right now is
• 1:38:07
  available to watch on Netflix, hopefully you on any
• 1:38:12
  subscription level. I think that's leaving sometime
• 1:38:15
  soon too. You can also rent it from Prime,
• 1:38:18
  YouTube, Google Play, or Fandango at home.
• 1:38:21
  Yeah. So if you haven't seen that
• 1:38:23
  movie, it's a lot of fun. I recommend it a lot.
• 1:38:24
  And. If you haven't seen it in a
• 1:38:25
  while, give it a re watch. It's a good time.
• 1:38:28
  Yeah. So that's what we'll be doing
• 1:38:30
  next. We want to give a shout out to
• 1:38:32
  those patrons who voted on this. We've got Joe.
• 1:38:35
  Feastatron. As is his name, Amber, Michael,
• 1:38:38
  Lord, Zombie, Tyler and Chad. Thank you guys so so much.
• 1:38:42
  We appreciate all the support that you guys give the show.
• 1:38:45
  It means a why it keeps running. Let's get things for the show to
• 1:38:49
  make it even better. If you aren't able to
• 1:38:52
  financially support us like our bubbies over on the Patreon, you
• 1:38:55
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• 1:38:59
  things on whatever platform you listen on.
• 1:39:02
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• 1:39:11
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• 1:39:14
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• 1:39:17
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• 1:39:28
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• 1:39:33
  find all of our stuff there. And I was going to remind
• 1:39:36
  everybody to vote, but I'm realizing that this is coming
• 1:39:39
  out after Election Day, so I hope everybody voted.
• 1:39:41
  Yeah, the next. Oh, that vote, I thought you
• 1:39:43
  were talking about our Patreon vote.
• 1:39:45
  Yeah. Oh man, yeah, I hope everybody
• 1:39:47
  voted and. Yes.
• 1:39:48
  And I hope that we are speaking to you from a better timeline.
• 1:39:51
  Yes, fingers crossed. Everybody.
• 1:39:53
  OK? Hey, it makes me so nervous
• 1:39:56
  thinking about that, OK? OK, so until next time.
• 1:40:02
  Bye. Why are you moving around if
• 1:40:15
  you're hurting? Yourself, it's involuntary, like
• 1:40:20
  my foot twitched and it just like all those muscles just.