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The Kenny Report | 11 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a big budget week. Here on the Kenny
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  Speaker 1: Report tonight. The middle finger from Farah. What One Nation's
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  Speaker 1: win really means for the coalition and the country and
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  Speaker 1: One Nation Lunacy a Queensland senator giving oxygen to a
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  Speaker 1: grotesque conspiracy theory about the Bondai terror massacre. Sickening stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll show you more examples of alleged anti Semitism
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  Speaker 1: at kids sporting events. Tomorrow's budget of broken promises and
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  Speaker 1: increased taxes. How labor is likely to make our housing
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  Speaker 1: crisis worse. Sophie Ellsworth in London, with her predictions on
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  Speaker 1: Keir Starmer's demise looking pretty solid. Also gematon Unian Caroline
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  Speaker 1: Dear Also let's get cracking. We knew One Nation was
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  Speaker 1: set to win Farah, but the win was perhaps more
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  Speaker 1: emphatic than many expected, and it's triggered a big reaction,
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  Speaker 1: hysterical in some quarters.
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  Speaker 3: The first point to.
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  Speaker 1: Make is one I always come back to in politics.
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  Speaker 1: It's the greatest truism in the caper, and that is
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  Speaker 1: that nothing is ever as good or as bad as
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  Speaker 1: it seems in politics. For One Nation, winning their first
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  Speaker 1: Lower House federal seat in their own right was undoubtedly
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  Speaker 1: a significant win, and coming on the back of the
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  Speaker 1: sustained high polling and the South Australian election result, it
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  Speaker 1: looks like serious momentum with the Victorian state election just
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  Speaker 1: months away.
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  Speaker 4: It's a win.
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  Speaker 3: Called the rest of Australia, Western Sydney. Here we come.
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  Speaker 3: We're coming to Streston, Sydney. We're coming to an RFL
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  Speaker 3: club near you. So is one nation's high point yet
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  Speaker 3: to come? Or is this the zenith? Nobody really knows.
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  Speaker 1: But general election wins are more difficult than by elections
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  Speaker 1: and the ground is shifting all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Every time one.
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  Speaker 1: Nation has some success, it's a wake up call to
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  Speaker 1: the coalition, but not in the way that anti conservative
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  Speaker 1: commentators portray it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the result last night, when you look at it,
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  Speaker 5: was a fundamental rejection of everything that the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 5: stands for.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's a case to be made that the opposite
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  Speaker 1: to that is true, that One nation voters were voting
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  Speaker 1: for Liberal values, the things the Liberal Party is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to stand for, the strong economy run in our national interest,
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  Speaker 1: strong borders and managed immigration and affordable.
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  Speaker 3: Energy, rather than United nations goals.
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  Speaker 1: One Nation hasn't done much to attract voters except remain
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  Speaker 1: constant on those issues while the Coalition has walked away
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  Speaker 1: from them over the past decade or so. This has
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  Speaker 1: smoothed the path for liberal voters to shift to One Nation.
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  Speaker 1: But listen to the hysterical commentary about the Coalition even
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  Speaker 1: preferencing one nation.
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  Speaker 5: It was wrong politically and it was wrong morally. It
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  Speaker 5: gave a signal to liberal voters that it was okay
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  Speaker 5: to vote for one nation.
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  Speaker 1: It's morally wrong to vote one nation. The sanctimony is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this from the ABC on Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: Here we've had Angus Taylor make a deliberate decision to
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  Speaker 6: preference one Nation above the Independent, which tonight could really
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  Speaker 6: be one of the reasons they get across the line.
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  Speaker 6: We'll see how's the votes come through, but that will
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  Speaker 6: be key, and that will legitimize them. And I used
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  Speaker 6: the term earlier on in the broadcast.
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  Speaker 3: The permission structure.
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  Speaker 6: If they are able to win their first Lower House seech,
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  Speaker 6: that begins the process of legitimizing them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, one nation I legitimate, don't worry about that. They
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  Speaker 1: are real. I've seen them. I've met them, and lots
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  Speaker 1: of people who vote for them. People don't need permission
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  Speaker 1: from the ABC to vote anyway they like. This is
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  Speaker 1: the moral superiority that drives people to One Nation, along
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  Speaker 1: with a sense that the coalition looks too much like Labor.
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  Speaker 1: This was beautifully summed up by Johannis lenk Inn the
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  Speaker 1: Os this morning, with Aubrey or Farah matching Coff's big banana,
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  Speaker 1: Ballona's big prawn and Goldin's big marino with its very
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  Speaker 1: own big middle finger to the major parties. One Nation
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  Speaker 1: likes to say there can be a party of government
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  Speaker 1: at some stage, that they're more than a protest party.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment, I reckon they're very much a protest party,
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  Speaker 1: and a good one at that, with voters using them
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  Speaker 1: to send a message that our so called elites are
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  Speaker 1: not actually running the country in a satisfactory manner. Just
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  Speaker 1: think about the backdrop to this by election, held during
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  Speaker 1: a cost of living crisis, when members of the ruling
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  Speaker 1: Labor government have been caught out roughting travel perks at
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  Speaker 1: taxpayer's expense, held during an energy crisis, with the nation
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  Speaker 1: exposed for a lack of refinery capacity, lack of storage
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  Speaker 1: and an unwillingness to exploit our own plentiful resources. The
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  Speaker 1: energy crisis sees electricity prices at record highs despite promises
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  Speaker 1: from Labor to cut them, and while they turned the
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  Speaker 1: grid into a shambles, chasing irrational climate policies and un goals,
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  Speaker 1: and with one nation running hard on immigration, we had
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  Speaker 1: these scenes in Melbourne less than.
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  Speaker 3: Forty eight hours before the election.
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  Speaker 7: Do you have any regrets?
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  Speaker 3: Why should we trust you? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Just five months after our worst terror attack at Bondai,
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  Speaker 1: allegedly inspired by ISIS, families linked to Islamic State arrived
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  Speaker 1: back into the country, greeted by supporters that Labor didn't
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  Speaker 1: even bother to run a candidate in Farah.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't game to show up.
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  Speaker 1: With the housing crisis getting worse, Labor are going to
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  Speaker 1: break a promise not to touch negative gearing, and they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to argue that increasing taxes on housing will produce
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  Speaker 1: more houses.
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  Speaker 8: The best way to build trust is to make the
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  Speaker 8: right decisions for the right reasons. And there are genuine
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  Speaker 8: intergenerational concerns and pressures in our budget, in our tax system,
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  Speaker 8: in our housing market, and in our economy.
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  Speaker 3: More broadly, this is economic madness.
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  Speaker 1: The Coalition should be making hay out of all of this,
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  Speaker 1: of course, but they aren't. One Nation is instead, Why
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  Speaker 1: because we don't have clarity from the liberals. They've been
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  Speaker 1: all over the shop, supporting the expansion of government, supporting globalization,
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  Speaker 1: afraid to criticize immigration, afraid to abandon that zero.
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  Speaker 3: They've abandoned the.
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  Speaker 1: Ground that one Nation now occupies. Their only option is
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  Speaker 1: to reclaim that ground, but as always, their left flank
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  Speaker 1: will resist. Although one Conservative senator has foreshadowed a possible
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  Speaker 1: new development.
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  Speaker 9: We hear rumors that the left of the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 9: are looking to start their own party.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, could that be true? Will that be a curse
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  Speaker 1: or a blessing? That full of the view with Alexandik later.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom line here is that the mess on the
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  Speaker 1: right of politics needs to be fixed. Voters don't really
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  Speaker 1: care whether you call it one nation, liberals, nationals, the coalition.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever they want, conservative values, they want pushback against labors,
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  Speaker 1: reckless and woke agenda. And that's what they're saying by
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  Speaker 1: voting for One Nation. The message could not be clearer.
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  Speaker 1: But are they listening? Are the liberals listening? And do
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  Speaker 1: they have the curse owners to do something about it.
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  Speaker 1: All that said, one nation, like all parties, needs to
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  Speaker 1: be accountable for what its elected representatives do and say,
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  Speaker 1: and their Senator of a Queensland, Malcolm Roberts, has been
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  Speaker 1: saying some pretty crazy and grossly offensive things. His comments
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  Speaker 1: about the Bondai terrorism massacre are a major problem for
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  Speaker 1: him and for one nation. They need to be retracted
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  Speaker 1: and I'll show them to you in a moment, But first,
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  Speaker 1: just to show that loopy statements are not a one
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  Speaker 1: off with Roberts, I want to show you what he
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  Speaker 1: said about COVID in the same interview. Now, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was and remain highly critical of government responses to COVID.
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  Speaker 1: I railed against their responses daily here for years. Vaccine
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  Speaker 1: mandates were never okay. Lockdowns and state border closures were
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  Speaker 1: never okay. Closing schools, imposing curfews, shutting playground all of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff was totally unwarranted.
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  Speaker 3: The risks of the disease were.
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  Speaker 1: Massively exaggerated by politicians, and the risks of the vaccines
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  Speaker 1: were massively underplayed. We need to have more accountability on
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  Speaker 1: all of that, but debate needs to be factual and sensible.
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  Speaker 10: Listen to Roberts, we should be focused on how the
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  Speaker 10: government under Morrison and the Labor Party and the States
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  Speaker 10: killed more than thirty thousand people with the COVID shot.
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  Speaker 10: That is fact, It is unarguable fact, and that's homicide.
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  Speaker 10: Thirty thousand plus homicides and people wanting to forget it.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree. I think there should be.
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  Speaker 1: More on that thirty thousand killed by the vaccine in
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  Speaker 1: this country, homicide of ours. Roberts for the substance behind
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  Speaker 1: his claims, but I'm yet to hear back. So this
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  Speaker 1: topic is one we can debate sensibly whenever we get
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  Speaker 1: the chance. This next bit, though, is a grotesque example
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  Speaker 1: of sinister conspiracy theories. It focuses on the worst terror
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  Speaker 1: attack in this nation's history. Listen to the idiotic and
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  Speaker 1: irresponsible question from podcaster Lisa Jane Spencer.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask one more question on the
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  Speaker 3: Israel thing.
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  Speaker 11: Do you think that Bondai was a false flag?
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  Speaker 3: How low can you go? How low brow?
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  Speaker 1: In response, Roberts does not sign up to this fact
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  Speaker 1: free offensive theory, but he does nothing to dismiss it either.
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  Speaker 2: What was the question?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's very false fag. I haven't got the evidence.
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  Speaker 3: I doubt whether there as false flag, but it was.
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  Speaker 2: A bit sas afterwards when the laws came out.
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  Speaker 3: There's just some strange things.
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  Speaker 10: Well what you're seeing there, Lisa, I'm going to challenge
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  Speaker 10: you on that too, because while you said, but what
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  Speaker 10: you said is correct, there are so many things in
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  Speaker 10: the last in the last thirty years, but especially with COVID,
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  Speaker 10: that they seemed to arrange something and then the laws
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  Speaker 10: would come. I can acknowledge that point, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 10: necessarily mean that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 3: You asked me if I thought it was a fast fake.
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  Speaker 10: If I make a statement, it's got to be back
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  Speaker 10: by fact. I don't have the facts yet, I'm not
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  Speaker 10: ruling it out.
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  Speaker 1: You notice that you're not ruling it out. You want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that we notice that. Ah, we noticed that.
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  Speaker 1: It was a disgrace to not reject that baseless theory.
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  Speaker 1: It was a disgrace to dishonor the dead, the wounded,
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  Speaker 1: and all the people still suffering from that abomination at Bondi.
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  Speaker 3: It is sickening to even allow.
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  Speaker 1: For the suggestion that this atrocity could have been perpetrated
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  Speaker 1: against these people by their own governments or authorities. What
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  Speaker 1: to smooth the way for tighter gun laws or hate
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  Speaker 1: speech laws.
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  Speaker 3: It's sick. I tried to get an interview with Roberts today.
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  Speaker 3: He was unavailable.
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  Speaker 1: In response to my questions, he sent this statement. As
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  Speaker 1: I said during the interview, he said, I have no
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  Speaker 1: evidence that Bondai was a false flag operation, therefore no
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  Speaker 1: compelling reason to believe it was. I always tell the
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  Speaker 1: truth and base my comments on hard facts, and I
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  Speaker 1: told the interviewer I had no facts supporting the interviewer's proposition. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we saw what you said, Senator Roberts. Roberts pointedly said
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  Speaker 1: he did not rule it out. Even in that statement,
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  Speaker 1: He's just there that I've just read you. He said,
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  Speaker 1: there's no compelling reason to believe the theory. Malcolm Roberts
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  Speaker 1: should disown and correct his offensive comments. He needs to
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  Speaker 1: reject this theory. And though that doesn't make me a
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  Speaker 1: member of the UNI Party or some rubbish, it means
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested in decent debate and respect for people living
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  Speaker 1: and dead, and respect for facts. Pauline Hanson needs to
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  Speaker 1: make sure Roberts back tracks on this rubbish and expel
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  Speaker 1: him from her party if he refuses. Anti Semitism is
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  Speaker 1: still rampant in this country. It goes all the way
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  Speaker 1: from Australians joining and supporting Islamic State to gunfire terror
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  Speaker 1: and the slaughter of innocence at Bondo Beach, and it
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  Speaker 1: extends to threats and fire bombings against synagogues and Jewish schools.
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  Speaker 1: And over the weekend it raised its ugly head allegedly
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  Speaker 1: on suburban netball courts in Sydney's East.
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  Speaker 12: The forty two year old mother accused of making anti
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  Speaker 12: Semitic comments aimed at the opposing team's players and parents
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  Speaker 12: at an under twelve girls netball game in Sydney Southeast
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  Speaker 12: on Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 3: I should say what's being alleged?
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  Speaker 13: Did you actually say what's being alleged?
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  Speaker 3: No, whine, I'm asking the question.
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  Speaker 14: So they are multiple witnesses that said that.
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  Speaker 7: You said, oh my god, what are we going to
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  Speaker 7: call the police?
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  Speaker 3: They have been called.
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  Speaker 7: You can call them and I'm happy this speech to
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  Speaker 7: New South Wells.
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  Speaker 12: Police yesterday charged the mother with using offensive language in
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  Speaker 12: or near a public place or school and she will
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  Speaker 12: face court next month.
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  Speaker 1: Well at the courts deal with this disturbing case as
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  Speaker 1: a parent who spends most of his weekends on the
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  Speaker 1: sidelines of kids' sports field. So I just find this
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  Speaker 1: heartbreaking and infuriating. And it turns out this sadly is
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  Speaker 1: not an isolated sporting incident. Allegedly AFL legend Jared Healy
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  Speaker 1: has highlighted the abuse and threats against players with the
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  Speaker 1: AJAX Jewish Footy Club in Melbourne. The club made a
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  Speaker 1: submission to the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism recounting how
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  Speaker 1: a player heard opponents saying j f Witz must have
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  Speaker 1: paid the umpires, and an incident in the under fourteens
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four when an opposing player was reported
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  Speaker 1: for allegedly saying Hitler should have finished you off. But
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  Speaker 1: what makes me even angrier on the issues is the
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  Speaker 1: continued weakness.
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  Speaker 3: Of our Prime Minister on this stuff. Have a listened
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  Speaker 3: to his response this morning.
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  Speaker 15: The idea that anyone would go to a children's sporting
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  Speaker 15: event and say anything that is hateful, let alone anything
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  Speaker 15: which is hopeful on the basis of race or faith,
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  Speaker 15: is just beyond belief, frankly, and I think that where's
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  Speaker 15: the society need to come to terms with that. We
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  Speaker 15: need to be better we need to have the discussion.
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  Speaker 15: Which is a good thing that that is occurring, and
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  Speaker 15: it's good that this was called out.
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  Speaker 3: As a society, we need to come to terms with this.
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanez.
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  Speaker 1: He needs to understand that unlike the sports field parents,
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  Speaker 1: he is not a spectator. He can't just stand back
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  Speaker 1: and wring his hands about this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: He is Prime minister. He needs to lead on anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 1: Albanesi has still failed to provide the moral clarity and
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  Speaker 1: leadership required.
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  Speaker 3: He hasn't called out the Islamist extremists. He hasn't called a.
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  Speaker 1: Summit of Muslim leaders and demanded they work together against extremism.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Alberanze has praised hateful anti Israel protests as
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  Speaker 1: peaceful protests that have paraded pictures of terrorist leaders and
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  Speaker 1: flags of terrorist groups and chanted for death. Our PM
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  Speaker 1: has called them peaceful and now he tut tuts yet again,
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  Speaker 1: not good enough, Albo No leadership, As I keep saying,
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  Speaker 1: this country is headed for very difficult times on all
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  Speaker 1: manner of fronts.
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  Speaker 3: Let's cross live now.
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  Speaker 1: To Adelaide and catch up with one nation leader there
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  Speaker 1: in South Australia, Cory Bernardi, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Cory, you must have been cocker hoop on the weekend. Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: It was a great result for the party, well deserved
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  Speaker 13: for Pauline Hanson and everyone involved in the campaign. And
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  Speaker 13: obviously it's caused a lot of soul searching. I think
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  Speaker 13: for the liberal national parties. Where do they go? Do
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  Speaker 13: they tack right, do they tack left? And who believes
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  Speaker 13: them whichever direction they go? And I think that's the
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  Speaker 13: real message here, Chris is I tried ten years ago
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  Speaker 13: to warn them that they were vacating any principled ground,
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  Speaker 13: and they laughed and they mocked, just as they did
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  Speaker 13: Pauline Hanson. And now they've lost one of the jewels
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  Speaker 13: in the crown.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the only way to read this, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: They've seated the conservative ground, as you allude to.
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  Speaker 3: When you were there, you saw the party drifting left.
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  Speaker 1: It went left on that zero in a range of
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  Speaker 1: other issues, the moderates, the moderates getting alarmed at any
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  Speaker 1: sign of strength on any issue really.
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  Speaker 3: And now they've vacated that field.
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  Speaker 1: So surely those voters are there for them to reclaim
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  Speaker 1: if they can show some strength and stand up for
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  Speaker 1: the values they espouse.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Chris, I actually don't think they're there for them
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  Speaker 13: to reclaim anymore. They're being squeezed from the left by
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  Speaker 13: the tills and the doctor's wife syndrome. And on the
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  Speaker 13: right you've got a principled, I think, patriotic and nationalistic
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  Speaker 13: party in one nation. And people have listened to the
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  Speaker 13: rhetoric from the UNI Party. And I know you didn't
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  Speaker 13: like that term in your introduction, but it is a
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  Speaker 13: Uni party because there's shades of each other. They keep saying,
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  Speaker 13: you know, we're slightly we're going to manage the decline
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  Speaker 13: of our economy slightly less badly than the others. You know,
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  Speaker 13: our cultural program for Australia will result in a slightly
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  Speaker 13: less bad outcome than the other one. But our lives
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  Speaker 13: are going backwards. And this is the whole essence of it.
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  Speaker 13: People know that what labor and liberal tell them are
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  Speaker 13: mere shades of each other. It's never implemented, and the
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  Speaker 13: promises that are made don't actually work for the benefit
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  Speaker 13: of the country economically or culturally or socially. So you've
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  Speaker 13: got per capita income, you know, flat or stagnant for
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  Speaker 13: me years. You've got social dislocation happening within our communities.
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  Speaker 13: You've got people losing hope about the future, and both
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  Speaker 13: the major parties are in denial that they've had anything
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  Speaker 13: to do with it. The people have had a guts
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  Speaker 13: full and they're just turn into something that they want,
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  Speaker 13: a party that where people say what they think and
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  Speaker 13: they try to implement what they say they're going to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your analysis is spot on, and I
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  Speaker 1: think the uniparty term works perfectly for what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Just just don't call me a uni party, right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: no party.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like any of them.
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  Speaker 1: But those values, the values you espouse as a party,
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  Speaker 1: they used.
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  Speaker 3: To belong to the conservative side of the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's easy.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: For Loops to win them back because a lot of
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: trust has been broken. But that's where they need to
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: focus now. As for one nation, you're going to be
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: getting all sorts of people jumping on board and that'll
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: be a challenge for the party to select candidates and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: screen candidates and.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: The rest of it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: But Malcolm rob It has disgraced himself surely by pointedly
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: refusing to rule out the idea that the BONDEI massacre
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: was a false flag operation, Chris.
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: I understand exactly what you're saying. But when I listened
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: to that interview, that's the first grab I heard of it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: He did rule it out, he.
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: Said there's no evidence of it, and everything else except
• 20:20
  Speaker 13: for that final phrase where he says, you know, I
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: don't I don't know what, I don't know more or less.
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: It would have been better if it was shut down,
• 20:28
  Speaker 13: for sure. This is where the real failure is. And
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: I think we're right to question our authorities. I think
• 20:34
  Speaker 13: we're right to question how safe we are in this
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: country given the complete lack of accountability about intelligence services.
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: And I say that, you know, there's an ago bill
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: coming up.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Chris, We are not right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: That's extended. It's been extended.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Surely one nation rules out a false flag operation.
• 20:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah, there's no In my mind, there's no doubt at all.
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: This was done by a couple of crazy people, right, so,
• 20:59
  Speaker 13: and I don't think our government was behind it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But the whole point is.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Just go Malcolm Robertson needs to pull that out. He's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: floated that he's pointedly not ruled it out. Surely he
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: must do so.
• 21:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't want to labor the point. It'd be
• 21:13
  Speaker 13: helpful if if he shut the door and says no,
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: he's got no evidence of it, and he doesn't believe
• 21:17
  Speaker 13: that's the case. But you know, the simple fact is
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: we have to wonder now why there's so many glaring
• 21:23
  Speaker 13: gaps in our national security.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 13: That's that's what my whole focus is here.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: The Royal Commission of Federal Parliament.
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: I'm going to know the Raw commission's a bit a
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: bit of a joke.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Chris, Well, we.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Will see, we hope, we hope it's not. But no,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Sorry, we are out of time. Appreciate appreciated.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Corey will catch up again. So that's one nation leader
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in South Australia, Cory Bernardi. I wanted to go to
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Shadow Dave Charmanu, who of course is the Shadow Assistant
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Minister for Citizenship. He joins us from Canberra ready for
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the budget.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: There have you.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Caught up with these Malcolm Roberts comments, and surely it's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: not too hard just to say you rule this out.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: There is simply no evidence. To leave it hanging there
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: is offensive.
• 22:01
  Speaker 16: In my view, it's grotesque, Chris, I don't see how
• 22:05
  Speaker 16: he can. I'm appalled that he even entertained that very
• 22:09
  Speaker 16: idea and didn't shut the door on it straight away.
• 22:11
  Speaker 16: And what he effectively did towards the end is dog
• 22:13
  Speaker 16: whistle at it. I mean, I think it's sickening and
• 22:15
  Speaker 16: disgusting to suggest that someone engineered this harm to their
• 22:22
  Speaker 16: own community.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, I presume.
• 22:24
  Speaker 16: The perpetrators of the false flag operation Israel, or the
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: Jewish community, or the security state or something. The idea
• 22:31
  Speaker 16: that anyone willingly did this to further some other agenda
• 22:34
  Speaker 16: I think is sickening and grotesque, and I think it
• 22:37
  Speaker 16: shows you, frankly, Chris, that one nation's got a long
• 22:39
  Speaker 16: way to go before they should be taken as a
• 22:41
  Speaker 16: serious political force. I don't discount the success they had
• 22:44
  Speaker 16: in Farr over the weekend, but with that sort of
• 22:46
  Speaker 16: success comes a level of responsibility which they have been
• 22:49
  Speaker 16: able to evade up into this point.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Well, they had a big win, they've taken it from
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the Liberals.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Are they really coming for the coalition?
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Around the country reports so that we'll go to with
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Alexandik suggesting that the moderate wing of the Liberal Party
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: some in there could be looking at a breakaway party.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: It seems the Liberals are talking about themselves all over again.
• 23:13
  Speaker 16: Look, I haven't heard of those reports. I haven't heard
• 23:15
  Speaker 16: any discussions like that. I think everyone in the Liberal
• 23:18
  Speaker 16: Party that I've been speaking to wants us to work
• 23:21
  Speaker 16: together to be a competitive political force once again. We
• 23:24
  Speaker 16: don't want to fragment the party any further. I think
• 23:26
  Speaker 16: that's our solution. Our solution is to re establish, you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 16: the broad church that has always been at the heart
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: of the Liberal Party's electoral success.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And is that going to happen with greater urgency and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: clarity you think in the wake of Pharah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Look, I think we will see.
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: You know that the Budget reply speech on Thursday evening
• 23:47
  Speaker 16: is the chance for the Leader, Angus Taylor and the
• 23:49
  Speaker 16: economic team to start laying out an alternative economic vision
• 23:53
  Speaker 16: for Australia. And I think that is urgent and that
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: is compelling. The Australian economy is in terrible shape. Labour's
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: answers are need to tax more and to spend more.
• 24:02
  Speaker 16: And you know, we need to be giving people an
• 24:05
  Speaker 16: alternative governing hypothesis if you like. I don't think one
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: nation can give Australians that they are up until this
• 24:12
  Speaker 16: point a party of protests, channeling people's rage and grievance,
• 24:16
  Speaker 16: and I think that's legitimate. I don't discount that. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: you know, it's our job as a party of government
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: historically and prospectively to be putting together a plan that
• 24:25
  Speaker 16: Australians can get behind. And I think it will start
• 24:27
  Speaker 16: to earn on Thursday.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But wasn't that the problem in the pharaoh by election.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Instead of talking about the cost of living and how
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the Liberals could fight back against Labour's economic mismanagement, you're
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: busy arguing with one nation.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 24:44
  Speaker 16: Look, I don't think that helps.
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: No.
• 24:47
  Speaker 16: Labor wasn't in the field there, of course, which makes
• 24:50
  Speaker 16: it harder. I mean, I think they it was politically clever,
• 24:52
  Speaker 16: but a cynical thing to do, I think, to not
• 24:54
  Speaker 16: run a candidate there, but because I think they knew
• 24:56
  Speaker 16: that they would have borne some of this sort of
• 24:58
  Speaker 16: blowback and anger in this trailing electric otherwise. But look, undoubtedly,
• 25:02
  Speaker 16: you know there were mistakes made in the campaign and
• 25:05
  Speaker 16: we could have run a better campaign. But what we've
• 25:08
  Speaker 16: got to focus on now is you know the tests
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: and challenges ahead for us.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Great stuff, Dave, thanks for joining us. Dave Shama their
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Live and.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Cameray spot on it was pathetic of Labor not to run,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: not to even front up to voters, not to give
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: them that option.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: We've got to take a break. On the other side,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: we'll focus more on this budget.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It's looming as a budget of broken promises and increase
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: taxes and it'll make the housing crisis even worse. In
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: just over twenty four hours, Jim Chalmers hands down his
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: next budget. The PM's been out again today trying to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: justify broken promises.
• 25:49
  Speaker 15: Well, government is about making the right decisions for the
• 25:52
  Speaker 15: right reasons for the times that you are in and
• 25:55
  Speaker 15: that is what we're driven by, by the best outcome
• 25:59
  Speaker 15: for nation. And if we do change our position on
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: any policy, we will explain why it is that that
• 26:08
  Speaker 15: is occurring.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Changing positions.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Say, there's often a political price paid for broken promises,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and I asked former Treasury official David Peerl whether there's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: ever an economic price.
• 26:20
  Speaker 17: That's a good question, Chris. There can be an economic
• 26:23
  Speaker 17: price paid. If a government broke its promise to cut
• 26:27
  Speaker 17: corporate or income taxes, for example, and didn't deliver, it
• 26:31
  Speaker 17: would result in some economic harm because people would plan
• 26:35
  Speaker 17: on the basis of a policy that wasn't enacted.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: In this case, the one of the key broken promises
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: will relate to negative gearing and not changing those arrangements.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: It's clear they're going to be changed.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: There'll be no more negative gearing except on new builds.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Is that going to help housing supply?
• 26:57
  Speaker 17: It won't have a major impact on housing supply, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 17: potentially a negative one. I think what the government has
• 27:03
  Speaker 17: in mind is the idea of taxing investors out of
• 27:07
  Speaker 17: the market so that owner occupiers have potentially lower house prices.
• 27:13
  Speaker 17: Now that's not going to be the case, Chris, and
• 27:16
  Speaker 17: even Treasury officials don't argue house prices will be lower.
• 27:20
  Speaker 17: To explain house prices, as you and your listeners know, Chris,
• 27:23
  Speaker 17: you've got to look at immigration, interest rates set by
• 27:26
  Speaker 17: the RBA, and restrictions on housing supplies. So this won't
• 27:30
  Speaker 17: make any difference. It's a twenty nineteen bill shortened class war.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: It just confounds me that Labour could argue that by
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: increasing taxes on investments in housing you'd actually end up
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: with more housing.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: It seems nutty. But here's the treasure.
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: The best way to build trust is to make the
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: right decisions. For the right reasons, and there are genuine
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: intergenerational concerns and pressures in our budget, in our tax system,
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: in our housing market, and in our economy more broadly.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Obviously, that's the line the labor spin doctors are going with.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Building trust is the right decisions for the right reasons.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: That's how they explain away breaking promises. But what about
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: this idea of intergenerational equity is that boosted at all?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Does this help young people in any way?
• 28:22
  Speaker 17: Well, young people are struggling to afford housing, but older
• 28:27
  Speaker 17: Australians and Australians who save and pay capital gains tax
• 28:32
  Speaker 17: have nothing to do with that. So what the government
• 28:34
  Speaker 17: has done it cannot solve the housing problem. It's behind
• 28:39
  Speaker 17: its own housing target. It's unwilling to deal with immigration
• 28:44
  Speaker 17: or even net zero, and so it's identifying scapegoats in
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: the community and saying to young people blame them. Now,
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: what's to stop the government at the next election or
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: the next budget when it needs to raise money cris
• 28:57
  Speaker 17: saying all Australians who earn more than one hundred dollars
• 29:00
  Speaker 17: a year are to blame for inflation or for housing
• 29:03
  Speaker 17: being too expensive, and then going after them with high
• 29:07
  Speaker 17: tax rates, So it's a very nasty diversion to mask
• 29:11
  Speaker 17: the fact that the government has created problems it can't solve.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Well, my worry about this too is that it's very
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: dishonest because everything this government is doing to increase the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: size of government and increase the debt burden on the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: federal government is really a weight on the shoulders of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: younger Australians. That's deferred taxation for younger Australians. Give me
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: your assessment of that sort of generational challenge that this
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: budget needs to meet and what you fear might be
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: on the table tomorrow night.
• 29:41
  Speaker 17: Well, the prospects of younger Australians, Chris, are being harmed
• 29:45
  Speaker 17: not only by as you correctly point out, government growing
• 29:49
  Speaker 17: and debt rising, but also NETS zero, which is limiting
• 29:55
  Speaker 17: the economy's growth potential and limiting real income growth. That's
• 30:00
  Speaker 17: why young people feel for us a straighted. But the
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: government's unwilling to tackle either. And as I said before,
• 30:08
  Speaker 17: all it has is the fallback of blaming older Australians,
• 30:13
  Speaker 17: pitting Australians against Australians. The government complains about Paul Enhanson
• 30:17
  Speaker 17: being divisive on the question of immigration and seying division. Well,
• 30:21
  Speaker 17: they are doing exactly that on economic and budget policy.
• 30:24
  Speaker 17: It's really a disgrace, Chris. And it's a million miles
• 30:27
  Speaker 17: away from responsible labor budgets we saw under Paul Keating
• 30:32
  Speaker 17: and even Bill Hayden at the end of the whitlam Ara.
• 30:34
  Speaker 18: This is just.
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: Something that I haven't witnessed from a labor government.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great worry.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: We'll talk more after the budget, but it's a great
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: worry where we're heading economically.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, David.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Pell Thank you.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, David Pearl. There great analysis.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: An expert who used to work inside Treasury at senior levels.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: You can read his stuff in The Australian. Now, coming
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: up after this next break, i'll show.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You that full interview with Liberal Senator Alex Antik, will
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: unpack unpack what One Nation means for the coalition. Well,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the One Nation founder and leader Pauline Hanson says the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Pharaoh by election win is just the start.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Here she is on Saturday night.
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: I'm going to look.
• 31:19
  Speaker 15: Forward to the future and I'm here glad maybe watching this.
• 31:23
  Speaker 12: We're coming after those other seats.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Now I caught up with Liberal Senator Alex Antik and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I asked him if all NAT's and Liberal MPs now
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: should be worried.
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: Chris, I think it would be impossible to not be
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: at this point. I mean, I think this is a
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: message that's been coming from for a very long period
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: of time. I mean, I've been talking about this shift
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: for a while, and I think this result in Pharah
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: was unusually telling in the sense that this is really
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: people saying, we don't care what we're hearing from both
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: sides of the left or the right about this candidate.
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: We don't care. We're voting for a new way of
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: doing things. We're voting for a disruption, and it's a
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: message they think that the right of politics, and I
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: would say the Labor Party and the Greens even we
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: need to start heeding because we're not in Kansas anymore.
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: Politically in this country and you know, you might dismiss
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: Farah as being a one off, but we saw a
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: very similar pattern here in South Australia a coup few
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: months ago in the state election. There's no reason to
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: suggest that this is not going to roll out, and
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: it's a lesson that politics has got to start taking
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: seriously now.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Something I picked up on from the ABC, and I
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the program is Nicki Savah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a former coalition staffer, although very much a lefty if
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you like, on the left side of the Liberal Party
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: when she was in politics, but she said that the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: result was a complete rejection of everything the Liberal Party
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: stands for them. To my mind, it's a bit different
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: to that because one nation actually represents the core values
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that people used to rely on the Liberal Party in
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the Nationals to represent maintaining a strength on board is
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: a bit of economic nationalism and a smaller government. It's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: one nation that's stuck to those core values, and it
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: seems to me that there's the Liberals and Nationals over
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: time that have walked away from them.
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, look, I don't know about that entirely.
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think there's a lot of good stuff
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: coming out, but it is true to say that the
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: vote in Pharaoh was to one nation, was essentially just
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: cut and pasted from the Liberal column. So we saw that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: I mean, it was a thirty percent swing, thirty one
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: percent swing from.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: One to the other.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: I don't think the voters have shifted in what they're
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: looking for out of politics at all. I think what
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: they want is to hear it from politicians and you know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: I mean, I was reminded on the weekend, but I
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: was thinking about how many more signals that we need
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: to get out of politics, and particularly from the coalition side,
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: to sort of understand this. It reminded me of that
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: episode of The Simpsons where Homer is speaking to the
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: doctor and he says, you need a triple bypass and
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: he says, well, can you dumb it down for me?
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: And he says, all right, well you need an opera
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: and he says, you know, say it in English for me, Doc,
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: and he says, well, we're going to cut you open
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: and tinker with your ticker. I mean, at what point
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: is politics needing to be told in plain English that
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: the dial has shifted. People are frustrated, and people are
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: ready to do what we saw in the US ten
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: years ago, we saw in the UK with Brexit. They
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: are voting for people that they think listening to them.
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: And we need to make sure that all the good
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: stuff that Angus is doing, and there is a lot
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: of it, I have to say, is getting out there
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: front and center and that people understand that because you know,
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: we're not, as I said, we are not in Kansas anymore.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: This is not two.
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: Thousand and three, and we can't expect to use a
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: two thousand and three playbook in the right of politics.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to dig out that episode of
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: The Simpsons now, absolutely. But the issue here is that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: we're here so many people on the politics of the right,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: right of center. For the last many years, we've had
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of politicians talking about how to position the party,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: how to pield the voters, how.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: To work together all of this.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They've actually got to do it, you know, don't tell
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: me you're funny, make me laugh. When are the politicians
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: of the right actually going to start making the case
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: for mainstream Australians. And doesn't that mean the left of
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the right, of the Liberal Party, the moderates and the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Conservatives have to work together instead of spatting all the time.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Can they do that?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a great question, Chris.
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think, I mean one of the problems
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: we would have at the moment, I think is if
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: many of these one nation style policies, not all of them,
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: of course, because we wouldn't agree with everything. But you know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: I think that obviously the punters out there do One
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: of the things that would be a problem if that
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: was brought to our party room was there would be
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: a lot of pushback from the left of the Liberal Party,
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: and so you know, you do wonder whether or not
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: that is something which can be resolved.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I hope it can.
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: I do think that it's been a very good institution
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: over the years, with both sides working together. But politics
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: generally across the world and across Australia is very very polarized.
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: Now we hear rumors that the left of the Liberal
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: Party are looking to start their own party. I don't
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: know whether that's true or not, but if it were,
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: you know, I mean, who knows, we might.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: End up with a very very broad coalition.
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: And I think it is important not to shut out
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: the possibility of a coalition with all of those of
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: the above many respects. This is what Mensi's had in
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: the forties. He had a bunch of right of center
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: parties that were all kind of trying to push in
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: the same direction. He put a big lasso around them
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: and formed the Liberal Party. There's much to be said
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: for where we're up to today, but the core message
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: of where we need to be is the forgotten people,
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: and I think that's a message that we need to
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: do a little bit better in the coalition getting that
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: message across.
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  Speaker 1: That's an interesting thought. A breakaway moderate liberal party. Of course,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: there's history there in your own state, probably before you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: were around. It was at least fifty years ago when
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: steel Hall and the Liberal movement are sort of a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: breakaway moderate group. They eventually got back together again. But
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: could there seriously be a if you're like a moderate
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: almost a teal liberal party.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't know, with probably question best put for others,
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  Speaker 9: but I mean there is this divergence between what people
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: inside Liberal party ranks think the Liberal Party should look like.
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: Both sides, I think are probably coming from it from
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: the a position of good faith. I don't think Mensis
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: would have identified as a moderate.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: As it may will be.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: I think Mensis was a conservative, and I think that
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: the Liberal Party is a conservative party, and it's you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: it's not a party that's meant to be looking down
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: the barrel of big business or organized labor. It was
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: always intended that he would stand and Menzies would stand
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: for the forgotten people.
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  Speaker 2: That's the message we've got to go.
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: People are struggling people are really concerned about all a
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: range of issues, immigration, costs of living, and they want
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: to see someone do something, and so much so that
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: they're prepared to weather attacks from both left and right
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: of politics and vote for One Nation candidates. And that's
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: the lie of the land. And you know, we can't
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: dumb it down anymore than that. We're going to cut it,
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: cut you open, and tinker with your ticket.
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  Speaker 3: Chris, great stuff theogists.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's a senator for the Liberals in South Australia. Alexantik,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Chris.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, it's pretty good analysis, both
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: in terms of Robert Menzies and the forgotten people. These
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: are the people now voting for One Nation in that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Pharaoh by election.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Also the analogy with the Simpsons. I did dig it out.
• 38:20
  Speaker 18: Have a look, Homer. I'm afraid you'll have to undergo
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: a coronary backpass operation. Day it in English, Douc, you're
• 38:27
  Speaker 18: going to need open heart surgery. Spare me your medical
• 38:30
  Speaker 18: mumbo jumbo. We're going to cut you open and tinker
• 38:33
  Speaker 18: with your ticker. Could you dumb it?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Donasy eight.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: It's a pretty straightforward message for the Coalition focus on
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: the issues that the forgotten people are worried about the
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: cost of living, immigration, all the rest of it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Get rid of that zero.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Let's go across to the UK now and catch up
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: as we do every Monday with Sophie Osworth, who's the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: News Court correspondent of course, a Sky News contributor. Good
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Sophie, and I'll tell you
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: what you've been predicting for many many months to us
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: here that Kirs Starmer was for the high jump and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that moment seems to be getting closer and closer in
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the wake of the local elections over the weekend.
• 39:12
  Speaker 19: Well it is indeed, Chris. And look I'm not the
• 39:15
  Speaker 19: only one. A lot of political commentators here in the
• 39:18
  Speaker 19: UK are saying that his days are number. He is
• 39:22
  Speaker 19: fighting for his political life. It is on life support
• 39:25
  Speaker 19: right now, Chris. Here in Parliament Square, we've got the
• 39:29
  Speaker 19: British flags behind me, we've got the Winston Churchill satue
• 39:33
  Speaker 19: to the other side. Today it would be a historical
• 39:35
  Speaker 19: day for Kirs Starmer. And just looking at the front pages, Chris,
• 39:38
  Speaker 19: to show the viewers. On the front page of the
• 39:41
  Speaker 19: Daily Mail, it says streeting and Rainer ready for Starmer's fall.
• 39:46
  Speaker 19: But interestingly the Daily Mirror, which is known as a
• 39:49
  Speaker 19: left wing publication, says change before it's too late. And
• 39:55
  Speaker 19: I think when a left wing paper like The Mirror
• 39:57
  Speaker 19: is saying that, it speaks volume. The Keire's Starmer is
• 40:01
  Speaker 19: due to address Britain today. He's meant to say that,
• 40:05
  Speaker 19: you know, this is going to be time for change,
• 40:07
  Speaker 19: another reset.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: We've heard it all.
• 40:09
  Speaker 19: Before and it's expected that the MPs will listen to him, Chris,
• 40:14
  Speaker 19: but then it's very likely there could be a challenge
• 40:17
  Speaker 19: for his leadership.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Right, It's going to be a dramatic day.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Fascinating to see those very telling front pages. And of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: course an Australian born Labor MP has been one who's
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: really sort of kicked the story along a bit.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Katherine West's have look at what she's been.
• 40:31
  Speaker 20: Saying, Labor is the only party that can beat reform.
• 40:37
  Speaker 20: We are the only national force that can take on
• 40:40
  Speaker 20: reform across the whole of the UK.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Katherine West there, who was born in Australia, she's really
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: been trying to bring the leadership issue to a head.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: And here's what Keirs Starmer's had the same response.
• 40:52
  Speaker 14: These are really tough results. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: And we have lost brilliant labor representatives. People put so
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: much into their communities, so much into our party and
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: our movements. No, I'm not going to walk away and
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: plunge the country into chaos. We were elected to deal
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: with these challenges and that's what we will do.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And Sophie, before I get you to wrap up on
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: what's going to be an eventful day, there there is
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: another senior labor person who's rock solid behind Kirs Starmer.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it's going to help much. Have
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I listen.
• 41:25
  Speaker 15: He's a friend of mine and I hope that Kirs
• 41:29
  Speaker 15: Starmer continues to serve as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: He was elected a reallyatively short period of time. I've
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: dealt with four Prime Ministers of Great Britain since I
• 41:43
  Speaker 15: was elected as Prime Minister, and the revolving door of.
• 41:48
  Speaker 18: Leaders does not lead to stability.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Four prime ministers in four years sounds like that revolving
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: door is still swinging so.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 42:02
  Speaker 19: It is Chris, and could be up to seven prime
• 42:05
  Speaker 19: ministers in ten years. And the message to Anthony Albanezi
• 42:09
  Speaker 19: is you might find yourself dealing with a new prime
• 42:11
  Speaker 19: minister because the Keiths Starmer.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Is in a lot of trouble.
• 42:15
  Speaker 19: Chris and Catherine West the Australian MP, Australian British British
• 42:20
  Speaker 19: citizen who has called for his head. She's the one
• 42:24
  Speaker 19: who really kicked this off. So it's expected he will
• 42:26
  Speaker 19: deliver his speech today and then there could be a
• 42:29
  Speaker 19: formal challenge. If that's the way the experts are saying,
• 42:33
  Speaker 19: it will go.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Fantastic stuff to have you on the scene, Sophie. Good
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: luck with a busy day ahead and thanks for getting
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: out there in such a fantastic location. Splendid their Sophiel's
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: with the down at Westminster.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: It is going to be a big day. It might
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: be the last day for Keiths Starmer, a's prime minister.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: We will see. You've got to get to a break.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: On the other side, Gematon Union and CAROLINEA.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Russo on one nation's victory and tomorrow's budget. Let's catch
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: up with gebaton UNI and of course Caroline the Rousseau.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Plenty to talk about, not enough time.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Carol, President of the Liberal Party
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: in Western Australia. What devastating message do you take from
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the Pharaoh by.
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: Election that we need to sort ourselves out and as
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: quickly and effectively and efficiently as possible. And you know
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: it's it's not a good result, Chris, And there's absolutely
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: no sugar coating that that we need to have a
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: vision and we need to make it clear to the
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: electra what that is and what we're going to do.
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: And you know, we have been sent in a message,
• 43:41
  Speaker 11: an almighty message, and it's now incumbent upon the party
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: to deal with it. You know, no, IF's no, but
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: it's no hoping, it's different. You have to deal with
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: whatever the reality is, Chris. And and it's part of
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: it is a parliamentary sense. Part of it is an
• 43:56
  Speaker 11: organizational sense. You know, when you particularly when you have
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: Chris long term MPs in seats, you tendn't to see
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: a bit of a dwindling at an organizational and grassroots level.
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: And that is something that was definitely the case in Pharaoh,
• 44:12
  Speaker 11: which just makes it so much harder, particularly when you're
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: a party that prides itself in its grassroots.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. You know, it's just time for
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the coalition. Actually, land blows against labor, stop talking about
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: what they're going to do and amongst themselves in One
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Nation Land blows against labor and Jemmy, you're coming to
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: us from Melbourne tonight. The One Nation bandwagon is heading
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the Victoria next in the state election later this year,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: they could stuff it up for the Liberals there an
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: appalling state government there. The only way they could hang
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: on is if you have this complete shambles on the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: right side of politics.
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: Look absolutely, and I say this is arrested on liberal voter.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: And what I've been really interested to see in the
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: last twenty four hours or so is how many people
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: are going, oh, the Liberal Party was so mean to
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: Susan lay and how many you know, Like, seriously, we
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: couldn't have stuffed it up anymore if we had to
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: sat down and gone, how can we royally stuff this up?
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: And the idea that someone like Angus Taylor, No, seriously,
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: but the idea that someone like Angus could turn that
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: ship around in thirty seconds is naive. Nobody could turn
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: it around. Everything Caroline said is right, but I want
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: to add one more thing to it, because I did
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: listen to You're going to not hear that very often Caroline,
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: so save it that moment.
• 45:25
  Speaker 18: Aha.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: The one thing I heard Alexantik just say to you, Chris,
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: about moderates versus conservatives. Let me just tell you one thing.
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: Voters don't care. They don't care about moderates versus conservatives
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: that don't care about the internal stuff. Caroline said, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: the party needs to sort itself out. Stop talking about itself,
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: stop talking about crap that voters don't want to hear,
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: develop good policy. Remember the reform is for the greater
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: good over the longer term. Grow a set and take
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: the fight to this incompetent government. Talk about the economy. Economy, economy,
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: and when you're done, keep talking about the economy.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: It's not hard, spot on, and it couldn't be better
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: timing for this, Caroline, because with the budget tomorrow, we're
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: going to see more debt to more taxation on investments.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Somehow they're going to tax housing more, but there's going
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: to be more of it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Explain that to me.
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: I can't, Chris, because it makes absolutely no sense. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 11: am a but a humble lawyer and commentator. I'm not
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: a magician or a priest. Frankly, because I reckon that
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: needs a miracle that policy. I mean, this is the
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: point Chris and Jim Chalmers keeps talking about generational inequality
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: and wanting to sort out that issue. Well, there are
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: two really simple things that he could do which would
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: mean he doesn't have to put the cart before the horse.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: They could deal with.
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: Actual housing supply, in which case that would make the
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: difficulty in getting into the market dissipate somewhat. And they
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: could also deal with immigration. Chris, and if you dealt
• 46:53
  Speaker 11: with those two issues which fundamentally impact you know where
• 46:57
  Speaker 11: the demand line hits us apply line, and wohila, there's
• 47:02
  Speaker 11: the price, you actually make most of the fundamental difference there.
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: It's two very simple things which will have a direct
• 47:10
  Speaker 11: and almost immediate impact and we saw that happen in
• 47:13
  Speaker 11: Canada in relation to housing prices when they turn the
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: tap right down on immigration.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: JA don't want to do that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: The great lie there's going to be a lot of
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: focus on broken promises here, but the great lie of
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: their budget strategy is that it's helping young people. They're
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: just burdening young people with more government, more debt, more regulation.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, who's the genius who came up with Albanese's line
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: on these are the broken promises we had to have?
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Does he not remember the recession we had to have?
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: I mean, these people think that where they take the
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: punters for a bunch of mugs. Nobody likes broken promises.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: You don't like it in friendship, in a romantic relationship,
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: and we certainly don't like it from our government. They've
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: lied to us, they continue to lie to us, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: they're developing a pen shot and an absolutely solid rolled
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: rolled gold twenty four carrot roll gold track record for
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: screwing the economy and voters in the process. So this
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: they can dress this up any which way they want,
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: but the results will speak to themselves for themselves, and
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: this is this is not I don't even know, Chris.
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: If I can bring.
• 48:19
  Speaker 17: Myself to watch.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: It tomorrow, I don't have to prepare myself and watch
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: the aftermath.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: We are nearly out of time, nearly out of time,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: but I want to keep you their way.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I'll show you this.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: So we finished on at a loighthearted moment because Joe
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Bianci Peterson, it was who used to say that when
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: when when the politicians are talking to the media, they're
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: feeding the chucks well with Andrew Cleneald. This afternoon, Barnaby
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Joyce was speaking to the media and he was getting
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: his kids to feed the Chucks.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Every look what happened. But they're feeding the Chucks in
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: but hey, so but you're feeding and one.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're going to have to see is hey
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: please be quiet?
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Sorry about that anyway, So what we've got to do.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: It's great TV, Barnaby Joyce. I know it is. It's
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: not supposed to be. It's great TV. All right, thank you,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: very brilliant. Jim and Caroline will catch you next week.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: The Era one nation is upon us. Peta Chucks is
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Peter Krittin. I'll see you tomorrow night.