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JUST JOSH: The Rise of Woke Snitches · Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

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  Get our humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas.
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  Is it dangerous idea for you? Should snitches get stitches or should they, as they currently
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  are, be morded, acclaimed, venerated, celebrated, and all kinds of other synonyms that I would
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  probably be able to bring you if I had it the source to hand?
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  I want to talk about this. I want to talk about this phenomenon of sneaking around on
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  the internet trying to find out bad things about people to bring them down. We've always
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  had outrage archaeology, which is my term for going back to someone posted on Twitter
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  nine years ago that it had vaguely homophobic overtones and revealing it and making a big
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  whore out of it, even not completely out of context, and at a different time for a different
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  audience in a different place. Using the existence of this artefact that you have stumbled
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  on, or you've excavated, like some deranged David Attenborough looking for salacious tidbits,
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  and using that in order to get someone, for example, fired from hosting the Academy Awards
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  as happened to Kevin Hartz, the hosting Academy Awards. Anyway, so we've always had that.
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  Now there's something different going on, which I would want to address, which is a kind
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  of coordinated community efforts to root out other communities. I'm talking specifically
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  about what's going on with respect to Gaza and Israel and Palestinian activists and Israel
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  affiliated activists in Australia, mainly on social media and private WhatsApp threads. It's a big
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  bruja. It's corrosive. You need to know about it. But first, onto more important issues,
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  like my cat. So I need you to help me here. I don't, I haven't lived with a cat since I was a
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  child, and we got to kitten a few months ago. I'm going to crowdsource this. Is it normal
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  for a cat to intentionally or unintentionally occupy the space that it knows you are about to need,
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  even if the reason why you're needing it is to benefit the cat. Example, every day I feed the cat,
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  and every day the cat food bowl goes in exactly the same place. It's right next to the water bowl.
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  It's in a little look. It's in a little elbow. It's an obvious place for a cat food bowl to go.
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  The cat knows this because she eats there every single day. Correct, she doesn't eat there every
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  single day. She eats there three times a day, sometimes four if I'm feeling generous. Every single time,
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  I attract her over by going, Taco, her name is Taco. I'm not just calling for tacos. Taco,
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  and yes, she was named by the children. Taco, I go in this nice pleasant sort of building up
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  for his taco. I go, and she knows that that means that food's coming. So I pick up the food bowl
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  in front of her. I go and get the food. I put in the food bowl after washing the bowl. They all
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  ask at every single time she's sitting where the food bowl goes. She's sitting in the place that
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  the food bowl has to go to. What is she doing? What kind of crazed feline fucked up mind games?
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  Is she pulling on me? Or is she just stupid? Is that someone explain cats psychology to me?
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  She's sitting there so every time I have to try to tell her Taco, Taco, come over here, over here,
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  over here. And she looks at me like I'm a bird or a fly or something and watch what what's
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  daddy doing this time? I'm doing the same thing. I do every single time you wait you eat when you
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  sit there in the wrong place. What do you think I'm doing? I'm going to put the bowl down so you
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  can eat it is stupid. Anyway, that's all internal. Outside I'm going Taco, Taco, look over here.
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  And eventually I just give her a dental kick or maybe even an also gentle kick depending on
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  my mood. And then Taco goes running away for three seconds until she sees the bowl go down and go
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  oh I'm getting food. Like it's the first thing first time she's ever thought this might be a
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  possibility. Why did she come over in the first place when I was whistling to her with my nice
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  lilting bro with Taco if she didn't know she was getting food and why she didn't sit in the
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  foot anyway. So this is what I'm thinking about. I'm also as you may have noted a little irritable
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  and I'm going to give you some insight into how the whole show is going, how Josh is doing. This
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  is supposed to be just a little patch up between you and me. I'm not doing great at the moment
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  because I cut my finger. If you're watching the YouTube video and if you're not, if you just
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  listen to the podcast, why the hell aren't you just watching the YouTube as well when you get
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  the best of all possible worlds. And except for the old factory sense, you don't get to smell
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  my fragrance and you don't get to taste me. But that's common ladies and gentlemen. So if you're
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  watching the YouTube I would be able to show you the cut but I'm not going to because it's so small
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  that it would be embarrassing to complain about such a small cut. So you're just as well
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  are listening to the podcast, forget what I just said, just listen to the podcast people,
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  forget YouTube, it's a joke. So I'm drinking a delicious beverage and an alcoholic beer because
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  I've been doing a lot of work. We've been we've been moving. We're still keeping our house. We're
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  moving into a place not far away that we have more space. And so we are around to negative
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  rounds and you know how we'll find how adorable moving is. So at the end of a long day of moving,
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  I'm enjoying a delicious nut alcoholic beverage. And unfortunately I'm standing in a house that
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  has nothing in it. So it's just me like a crazy man and my recording equipment and literally
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  nothing else in the entire house, including not a bottle opener. Hence my injured hand, I've
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  been wandering around the garden trying to smash the bottle top on as many sharp edges as I can
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  to take it off because I'm not one of those cool guys who can burst a bottle top off just by
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  I don't know, shoving into his eye socket or whatever that might be. Anyway, snitches is what we're
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  talking about. Well, so there was this big brujah in Australia around the time that I left
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  the ABC when another colleague of mine who was only hired as a fill-in presenter for just five days,
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  she was basically removed after three days and so five days because she was extremely proactive
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  about tweeting and putting a post-ordinary social media pro-Palestinian staff that was definitely
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  not impartial. Let's just say, you know, certainly not the worst of the staff, the kind of staff
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  that that bumps up against sort of anti-semitism that I've criticised on this show in the past,
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  but nonetheless, not stuff that but fits an impartial news organisation.
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  In a very hand-fisted and stupid way, the news organisation, government of her two days early,
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  a relation of uphired in the first place, if they wanted to be that scriptulous about impartiality,
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  once they had hired her, where's the harm and just letting her finish out her week. It came to
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  like that one of the reasons why she was pulled from air two days early on her five-day stint
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  was because the bosses had allegedly been pressured by a bunch of semi-secretive WhatsApp groups
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  that were entitled things like lawyers for Israel and so on. So in comes the conspiratorial hand
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  of Jewish power, supposedly pulling the strings and being the puppet masters for everything
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  and the organisation being cowed. This was a very bad look. It created a bit of a national scandal.
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  And whatever you think of how incompetently this individual was dispatched from the other
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  broadcaster, I think it's ridiculous to suggest that it only happened because she was on one
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  side of this particular political divide. If anything, the public broadcaster, I believe,
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  has been, you know, scrupulously compassionate towards the Palestinian side of things.
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  They have not bowed to wild activist pressure to call the Israeli campaign genocide,
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  but they certainly, I think, you know, just imagine the shoot was on the other foot.
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  You know, I have a thought experiment here. Just imagine that instead of this individual being
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  a woman of colour who was supportive of Palestine, if it was a white male who was supportive of
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  Israel, that person would have been fired. I think more promptly. In fact, that person would never
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  have been hired in the first place as easily as a woman of colour who supports traditionally
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  disenfranchised people. That's not to say that this person is untalented. She's a great talent.
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  And, you know, I have a lot of respect for her. But the way that the firing happened, I think,
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  was evidence of incompetence rather than a particular political bias. Nonetheless, so imagine that
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  you had, you know, an association of pro-Palestinian, you know, pro-Muslim activists who were all
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  chanting outside the public broadcaster's offices, as indeed they have been and had done.
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  And imagine if that was the reason why an individual was dismissed for having
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  been having posted partisan opinions about a controversial public event. You know, we wouldn't
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  suggest that there's a nefarious kind of dark, evil puppet master characteristic to brown-skinned
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  Arabs chanting and waving signs and saying that, you know, this person needs to go. That would
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  just seem like a legitimate way of swaying things. But when Jewish Australians or so-called pro-Israeli
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  Australians try to produce letter writing campaigns and try to sway things in what they regard
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  as being the interests of the good, it somehow is tainted with this kind of nasty, nefarious,
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  hook-nosed slithering, slobbering sort of nastiness that just doesn't apply to any other lobby group.
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  Of course, lobby groups try to, you know, promote their own point of view to people who control
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  powerful institutions like media outlets. There are some groups in our community who, when they do
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  that, it's regarded as being nefarious and others who, when they do that, it's regarded as being
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  noble. And the reasons why I'm probably complicated, I don't think it's all to do with rank
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  anti-semitism, but anti-semitism certainly doesn't help. What's happening now, though, is that there's
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  not just an attempt to pressure institutions to be responsible, to be even handed, to be, you know,
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  reasonable. There's now no pressure to essentially cancel individuals who don't total line.
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  This is getting dark, and it's what I mean when I say that we're encountering a kind of culture
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  where there's a veneration for snitching. So, one of these WhatsApp groups was a WhatsApp group that
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  was of Jewish creatives in Australia, and it was originally created after October 7 as a way
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  to provide support, moral support, emotional support to people who are feeling traumatized about
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  the largest slaughter of civilian Jews since the Holocaust, and certainly then subsequently
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  traumatized by the nature of the backlash in Australia. You know, it's worth noting that no
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  matter how much people ran to rail and, you know, gnashed their teeth about the injustices being
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  unleashed on Palestinians and those injustices are real or tragic. It is not Muslim Australians or
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  Arab Australians who have to address their schoolchildren in fake clothes so that you cannot tell
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  that they're Muslim for fear of being attacked. It is not Australian mosques that have to beat up
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  their security for fear of being firebombed. It is not people who are giving speeches in favor of
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  a free Palestine who have to worry about being assassinated or they're being a suicide borough
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  in the midst. It is always the Jews who suffer the most hate crimes. Statistically, they are the
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  victims by far of the largest number of hate crimes, far ahead of LGBTQIA. Plus Australia
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  is far ahead of Muslim Australians. So although this is not a competition, it is just worth noticing
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  that we often don't think about Jews as suffering, you know, as being essentially the victims,
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  we think of them as being allied with this shitty little country that keeps inflicting its
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  colonialist whims on poor neighbouring Arabs, those Arabs who have also been betrayed, shall we
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  say, by all of the other Arab states. And I could have a whole rant and maybe I should someday about
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  the kind of infantilization of Arabs that is implicit in the pro-Palestinian movement. Like
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  this person who I was talking about who was post-inal of this pro-Palestinian star
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  who the ABC thought was being too activist is part of a, you know, for all the best intentions,
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  part of a movement that fundamentally deprives Arabs of agency because it fundamentally implies
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  that Saudi Arabia and Syria and Jordan and Egypt, that these places, these leaders and these people
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  are incapable of collaborating with Palestinians to find a solution to Palestinian dispossession.
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  They're not capable of, obviously, of finding a solution to the dispossession of Palestinians who
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  were living in pre-1967, Israel, the Israel, let's give them to the Jews originally. But what
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  happens to this refugee situation in the West Bank and in Gaza is always put exclusively on
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  the Israelis. I mean, Gaza has a border with Egypt as well. You never hear Egypt being accused of
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  being the people who are creating an open air sewer or an open air prison in Gaza. It's always the
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  Israelis. Well, they're two borders. So anyway, there's this whole dull standard thing. I think where we,
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  especially the Arabs fuck over the Palestinians as much as they possibly can and get a free pass
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  because we just go, oh, you know, what they're corrupt and dysfunctional. And also, you know,
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  there's no Arab state. It's decent anyway. So they're a basket case. But the Jews have this rich
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  democracy and they should know that because they're one of us. So nonetheless, despite just
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  parking that notion for just a moment, after October 7th, there were these WhatsApp groups
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  of Jewish Australians who were providing support, emotional support for each other.
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  Someone said, me an invitation as a Jewish, you know, I'm not religious, but ethnically Jewish
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  Australian. No, I'm certainly Jewish enough for a jihadist, but that way I'm Jewish enough for
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  Hitler and Jewish enough for a suicide bomb to call me fair game. So I joined this thing and I got
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  a little bit disturbed by it. After about a month, maybe six weeks, I saw that a lot of the chat
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  was being dominated by a few voices who were extremely concerned about weeding out
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  Australian influencers, social media influencers and media personalities. So they've
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  conceived as being biased against Israel, perhaps biased against Jews. And the talk was about how to
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  get these people punished, how to write letters to their publishers and have their publishing
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  contracts cancelled, write letters to their agents and have their relationships with their agents,
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  severed, write letters to their podcast networks and have their podcasts cancelled.
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  And the only thing I ever wrote in this WhatsApp thread, the only contribution I ever made to it
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  or any other was to chime in with a lengthy post and say, now for a piece of constructive criticism,
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  please let's not go down the cancel culture path. If people, you know, we're a big,
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  strong, rembunctious country. We are capable of tolerating idiots. We are capable of tolerating
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  haters. I don't think we want to start a cycle where the way that we respond to people bad ideas is
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  by expanding our energies, not on criticizing those ideas, not on adding to the public
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  square, but rather by trying to take them down and trying to have them fired or otherwise punished
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  or sometimes in some cases have their livelihoods destroyed. And a few people got back to me
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  and were very angry and thought that I was betraying the team and that I wasn't on their side.
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  And so I didn't pay any more attention and I muted the thing and then eventually I got booted
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  out of it anyway. When they had a purge of people because apparently there was a leak,
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  someone submitted some screenshots of some of these things to people who probably like me were
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  concerned about it. For the record, I was not the person who leaked any screenshots of these
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  things. I wouldn't do that either because I believe that private conversations should have a
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  right to remain private. Nonetheless, it's understandable that some people who were worried about
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  this might have thought that there was some utility in letting the people who were being
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  targeted by these groups know that it was happening. So fast forward to now. And now it seems
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  that some of the pro-Palestinian or otherwise just the kind of white mummy bloggers in Australia
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  are the Instagrammers who have been extremely excited and excitable about their new found role
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  as moral saviors in which they can get to the bottom of just why Frank Lowey, one of Australia's
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  richest men was getting so much money to the federal government and he happens to be a Jew
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  and the federal government is supporting Israel. So as this mummy blogger said, she's not saying
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  that the government does what this Jewish industrialist wants but she is saying that he pays their
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  money and they do what he wants. So clever. So brilliant Sherlock opening up these incredible
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  things. Oh, we've never heard this before. We've never heard this in simulation that governments
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  are in the puppet of Jews and we can set aside for the moment the governments get bucket loads
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  of money from all kinds of different industries. There isn't a disproportionately large number of
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  Jewish donations to government in Australia and there is from all other industries and all other
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  companies and there's no one and yes there is of course influence and influence peddling between
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  the beginning of town and the decision that government makes. But to cherry pick one person who
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  happens to be Jewish and then create some insinuation about the reason why Australia's
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  national security policy is dictated because if someone was getting money to the governing power
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  I mean honestly it's like it's first grade stuff. Nonetheless there's this cohort of people
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  who've been very very active and they've been trying to weed out all of these kind of evil shadowy
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  forces that are preventing Australia and the rest of the world from doing the right thing which
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  is presumably to I mean at the very least they would say is insist on a ceasefire in which Hamas
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  is able to resurrect its control over Gaza at the same time as they would say that they don't
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  support Hamas but at the most they would probably say that we need to get rid of Israel as a state
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  and creator among the Palestine run you know as a democracy with majority Arabs with Jews as a
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  minority and of course that country would be just as good towards the Jews as all the other countries
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  in the Middle East have been just as good to gaze just as good to women as the other Muslim Arab
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  states of which are probably zero a place as where you any of these people would want to live and
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  where any of their rights as feminists would be upheld. Nonetheless set down aside so they are on this
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  big bandwagon and now part of this is that they want to make sure that they are as punitive as
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  possible towards anyone who was trying to punish them so they seem to have access now to some of
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  these private what's that threads and a colleague of mine came up to me and said should you
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  worry about this fact that they they're going through this they're going through thousands and
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  thousands and thousands of messages they've got the names of the people who were in this
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  in these threads I loved it's like why would I be worried then like well your name might be
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  associated with the thread that you you join it was like so what I mean I was just spying on it
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  anyway I mean it is the last thing that I would even you basically asking me should I be worried
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  that terrorists have some information about me that they might misuse well I don't know I mean
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  maybe but I can't go around worrying about whether or not terrorists are going to like abuse I
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  didn't do anything wrong so I have nothing to fear with that way that may sound naive but I mean
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  how else won't go through life they go through the thread the other thing they're going to see is
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  me arguing it for the right to of pro Palestinians to say what they want to in this great country
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  of ours so we now have a situation where there was these Jewish threads who were devoting these
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  Jewish WhatsApp message groups in other words who were devoting a lot of time to trying to bring
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  down on punish sideline xcommunicate strip income from people who were also online who were
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  saying things that were pro Palestinian and anti-Israeli and perhaps anti-Semitic now you have other
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  WhatsApp reds podcasters influencers community message boards who are who have access to those
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  messages and those communities and are now trying to do the same thing back to bit and I have
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  people asking me whether I'm worried about being cancelled by the people who are pouring over the
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  details of the people who were pouring over the details of the people who were saying things that
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  were anti-Semitic I mean fuck off fuck this circular firing squad bullshit since when is it great
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  to be a snitch since when is it great to be a sniveling little weasel going through thousands and
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  thousands of comments to try to find someone who said something mean or nasty about your fucking pet
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  cause get over yourself grow up if someone says something that's wrong or evil or misguided you have
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  a microphone you have a supercomputer in your pocket you have a Twitter feed you have an Instagram
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  feed you have whatever you want you have your friends you have your colleagues you have the letters
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  page of the newspapers you have talkback radio you have all of the means you have more means than anyone
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  has ever had in the history of the world to get your message out go and make the case go and make
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  the case it reminds me of when I interviewed Peter Singer on his live tour of Australia the great
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  ethicist and philosopher and he was talking about the fact that you know back in the day in the 90s
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  it was the Christian right who were protesting him and nowadays it's the woke left who protest him
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  the most and I was putting to him the the point that I often hear which is like isn't it right
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  for speech to have consequences you know it's not cancel culture to respond to someone's shitty
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  idea it's it's consequence culture some people say you know you what you're asking what the people
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  who opposed cancel culture are asking for so it's so the argument goes is for carte blanche to
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  say whatever they want without any consequence well I'm sorry it doesn't work that way when we
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  redefine the rules of the gate and when we say you're you're you're you're no longer allowed to say
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  this you're allowed to say that and they have to be consequences for breaking those rules and
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  cancel culture is simply consequences for being a shithead and Peter Singer said I'm not sure I
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  put it quite like that shithead under to the illustrious mr. Singer he said yeah that's fine
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  but the consequence has to be another argument about the merits of my points the consequence isn't
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  supposed to be you prevent me from being able to live a life or earn an income I mean at the far
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  edges I suppose we can argue whether or not that's just like well what about Nazis people say
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  you know should a Nazi be able to go around hiring Hitler and still be employed shouldn't we
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  try to get them fired okay yeah you can have your Nazi example mate I mean even then I wouldn't
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  say you should you should get the person fired yeah the employer should perhaps be be aware of
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  the fact that the person is doing this stuff but the employer should not be put in an impossible
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  situation because there's a social media pile on that is trying to coerce the employer to get
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  this person fired not for the merits of the case of whether the person is an Nazi but precisely
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  because there is a mob with flaming pitchforks flaming pitchforks flaming torches and pitchforks
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  I'd like to see a flaming pitchfork very good very tiny small candle flames on the ends of it
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  of the pitchforks you know the existence of the mob in other words should not be the reason why
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  we're making decisions about hiring and firing this is not a good way to run HR yeah just because
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  there's a mob screaming at the door and so Peter Singer's point really get home and I've tried
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  to follow that ever since yes there should be consequences for being anti-Semitic yes there should
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  be consequences for being Islamophobic yes there should be consequences for arguing for the genocide
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  of Palestinians war of Jews those consequences should be that everyone around you thinks you're a
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  fuck with and says so and argues with you and tries to prove why you're wrong the consequences
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  should not be that secret what's our community groups pour over everything you've said to try to
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  take out a context the most negative looking piece that thing that you've ever said in order to
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  write to conduct a clandestine letter writing campaigns or even overt marches on the street in
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  order to pressure and influence and coerce and strong arm people into depriving you of an
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  income depriving you of essentially completely unrelated goods that you like everybody have a
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  right to have in a free society so I don't like the rise of woke snitches I don't like the rise
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  of conservative snitches I think you can always just make the example for yourself about
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  whether or not what you're doing is the right thing by putting the show on the other foot
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  and saying would I like this if someone was doing it to me and if you're response to that is well
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  no I wouldn't but you know what they're doing is especially egregious stop it stop it you don't
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  know that well you are not god have a little bit of epistemological humility understand that
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  my perspective about the world is just my perspective yours is just your perspective you know
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  I'm it's not it's not wild relativism to simply give the benefit of the doubt to people who you
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  don't agree with I can certainly believe that I am objectively right about something and I can
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  also respect the principle the algorithm the heuristic the sort of life rule the people who don't
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  get it are nonetheless entitled to live a free and fulfilling life you know don't turn it into
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  what you hate I guess is what I'm saying this is this has an analog lastly in the trends debate
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  where the indoctrination of young people into the belief that there really is no such thing as
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  two sexes or two genders that it's something that you make up so you are beings to decide
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  the human beings can decide to change sexes that you know people who are gay for example are attracted
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  to the opposite gender not the opposite sex it's muddying essentially the sort of the the
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  philosophy that in some ways I fear demonizes a feminine gay boys and butch gay girls by
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  implying that they're not doing gender quite right and they're probably trans and there's
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  that is probably encouraging quite a lot of young camp guys to think that they might in fact be
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  women instead of just a feminine gay guy it's like this whole ideology has bad is it is now pulling
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  back from the extremes that it had and there's a bit of gas lining going on about whether or not
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  the extreme trans activists who I must add are really actually trans people themselves these are
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  often you know much like the Palestinian activists who are the most anti-Semitic and most active on
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  Australia and social media they're not Palestinians they're not even there they're just well-meeting
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  white clueless white girls similarly you know a lot of this trans stuff is pushed by
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  university educated white cisgender people who regard themselves as allies and get a bonus for
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  a feeling that they're doing the Lord's work in you know their secular atheist way of convincing
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  a convincing everybody that these people are better than them because they don't believe in gender
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  so the indoctrination the insistence of only having gender-referring care the young people and
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  have never questioning the orthodoxy never interrogating whether or not for example a 13-year-old
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  girl who presents as gender dysphoric and says that she's actually a boy should also be asked about
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  whether or not she has depression whether or not she has autism whether or not she has anxiety
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  whether there's anything else going on it's been verboten it has been impossible to ask that
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  without being condemned as a conversion therapy loving you know anti-trans but anti-transbittic
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  bigger and the fact that that that indoctrination was so intense the argument for why it was so
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  rigid was look we're trying to fight against something which has been horribly pervasive for trans
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  people for a long long time which is this orthodoxy of the sex binary and the belief being transgender
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  was some kind of psychological dysfunction some kind of perversion and in order to push back
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  against that orthodoxy we have to create create this new orthodoxy i hate that don't create the
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  new orthodoxy don't silence your critics don't become a sensorious douchebag don't become the thing
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  you hate don't enforce orthodoxies don't hunt dissenters of any stripe don't suppress debate for
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  any reason that's the rule pointing to the other side and saying yeah but they're doing it or
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  they did it first or we have to counter their hegemony by becoming a dark force of our own stop it
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  stop scrolling through other people's private message threads to try to find information
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  that you can hang them with go out get a life learn something have some empathy talk to
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  people who you disagree with with actual listening ears on and try to understand them try to
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  understand them and try to articulate your position to them in a way that they will at least understand
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  if not agree with lastly i heard the wonderful Tim urban a friend of mine fabulous guy on a
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  podcast i don't remember which one was then he was talking about that this is a book which you
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  should read he was talking about how this sort of social justice left woke sensitivity
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  sensoriousness victim wood culture it's a bit like he gives an analogy if someone said to you
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  over in that corner you see that boxer that boxer that dude is the best boxer in the entire world
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  and then you say who has he forged and they say no one he's too good we don't we don't want to risk
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  you know him being punched uh you wouldn't necessarily agree that that boxer is the best boxer
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  in the world you'd probably want to see that boxy in in the ring and see how the boxer actually
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  works when they suffer punches from an opponent you certainly wouldn't trust this person who is
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  saying that they need to keep their boxer inoculated and protected from punches that's the way
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  that the new social justice left regards ideas their ideas are the best ideas in the world and you
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  not allowed to criticize them and the moment you do criticize them they're not going to come back
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  and attack the idea they're not going to get in the ring with you they're going to walk out of
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  the boxing stadium and they're going to go and try to they're going to tap tap tap on and try to
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  get you fired by you know sneakily telling telling on you best snitches their snitches I'm sorry
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  let's stop revering snitches snitches but they should get stitches thank you