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Werewolves, The Satanic Arts, and Black Magic Transformation. A Bad Moon with Lucifer LeGivorden and Orlee Stewart · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Hi everyone, welcome to today's show.
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I have a guest with me today, author and Satanic priest and
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founder of the Satanic Fulian Society Lucifer Like Vorden.
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Hello and welcome to today's show.
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Hey thanks, nice to be here. Absolutely.
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I'm so glad to have you back on the channel again.
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I we were saying it's been about a year since we did another show
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together and I'm so excited to talk about your new book, which
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is called A Bad Moon. And this book is really special
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because so much of your work has been grimoires and material on
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theistic Satanism and very serious occultism, and you have
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once again decided to release this creative project aside from
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your usual work. So I wanted to talk about the
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significance of this today and also a bit about the book as
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well for people to help inspire them in their spiritual paths,
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because there's so much that we can talk about.
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So the first question that I have for you about the book is
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what inspired you to explore werewolf folklore for a bad
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moon? Well, I've been a student of the
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occult for over 30 years, you know, and I've been a practicing
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Satanist for just about 20 years now.
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So, you know, I started practicing Satanism actively in
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2006, I believe. And before then going all the
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way back to 97, I was a an occultist.
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I grew up though, watching classic Hammer movies, American
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Werewolf in London, The Howling, and so I grew up with this
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wonderful classic genre, movie genre and respect for it, which
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Satanism draws very heavily from.
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You may remember back in the 1960s and 70s, a lot of those
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movies that inevitably inspired the Satanic to Panic drew very
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heavily on the satanic iconography.
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And I want to say a lot of those movies were both inspired by and
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inspired Anton Lavey in his personal aesthetic as well as
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their own. And as we know, The Devil's
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Reign was a movie that actually had Anton Lavey in it, along
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with William Shatner, John Travolta, Ernest Burgess, and a
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bunch of other really great actors.
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And Lavey, she designed all the Satanic sets for it.
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I actually have a replica of the helmet that he used in that
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movie. And you know, whenever you watch
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me in my rituals, you might notice on this little finger I
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wear a very interesting ring and which is on the bookshelf behind
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me. And that's actually a ring that
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was taken from a cast mold of one of Sir Christopher Lee's
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Count Dracula rings that he wore in the classic Hammer rooms.
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And it comes with a certificate of often density and every.
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So a lot of my occult studies was inspired by Classic Cinema.
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It's what really made me want to get into studying the occult.
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And I want to say that it really, you know, inspired a lot
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of my world's views once I was in the occult.
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Of course, you know, I ate up literature ravenously about all
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sorts of things, including cryptids, monsters, witchcraft,
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and, well, obviously Satanism. So one night my wife and I, we
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were sitting down, we were watching a movie.
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And the movie is Bad Moon, which I don't know if you've ever
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watched that movie, but it's a werewolf movie and it's one of
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the better ones. And it's a really cute story
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about this guy who's a werewolf, and he goes to live with his
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sister and his nephew to try to overcome the wearable curse.
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Well, they have this dog named Thor, and he's this German
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shepherd. And it's a story about how this
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dog is trying to protect his family from werewolf.
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And it really got me thinking. It's like, OK, well, why do
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werewolves do the things that they do?
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What are some of the less understood elements of
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lycanthropy in these movies? And I started looking at it from
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an occultist point of view, as well as a person who might be
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interested in actually studying animal behavior.
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So that's when I was like, all right, let's write a werewolf
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story, a bad moon, and let's utilize this story to explore
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some elements of the werewolf that we haven't explored them or
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some of their behaviors, some of their intricacies and why they
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do it. And then I just was like, well,
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do I want to tell it from the werewolf side or do I want to
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tell it from the people side? And I was like, let's make it
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like a classic movie. I want to write it so it's it's
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sort of a creature feature. So the werewolf becomes the
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monster, but I also wanted to tell it something from the
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werewolf side and so, well, you know how I did that.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. And I thought it was really
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successful in how you created the story and I enjoyed reading
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it so much. I like I was saying in the
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review, I found it really refreshing to read an occult
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informed Horror Story among all the more heavy material that
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I've been studying for school and stuff like that.
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So after years of writing occult non fiction and grimoires, what
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drew you to step more into the realm of fiction with this
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novel? I know you've been doing a lot
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of things with your satanic organization and going through a
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lot of personal growth as well, so I was wondering if that
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affected your choice in doing this.
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Well, yes and no. That definitely did affect some
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of it. What it was is after I got done
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writing or rewriting my variation of Bible of Hulu,
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which I'm still in the process of editing a final version, but
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we have like a preliminary version already out that people
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can still go get and it's still really good.
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I realized that I was burnt out on writing Satanic literature
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because I had such a hard time writing that book and it in
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order to get it done when I wanted to get it done because I
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was already behind schedule on it.
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In order to get it done, I had to resort to various writing
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methods that I really wasn't very fond of at the time.
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And it showed me that I was completely burnt on writing
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Satanic literature, on writing active non fiction, occult
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literature, and that I needed to take a step back.
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And so I chose I, I was like, all right, I don't want to stop
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writing. I just need to take a step back
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and see, you know, maybe change how I'm doing things.
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So I was like, all right, let me take a step back and try my hand
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at non fiction again. And believe it or not, this is
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not the first non fiction book I wrote this year.
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I do have another non fiction book that is going that is
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completely finished that's going to be coming out in November.
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And I was also before writing this, working on another project
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that I also burned myself out on.
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And I was like 6 chapters away from the end that I was, I, I
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couldn't finish it. I had to change again.
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And so my wife told me, you know, want to write this work,
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full story, Just go ahead and write it.
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This is what came around. And so if you.
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Yeah, you've seen it. If you look in in the back of
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the book, there's this wonderful little.
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Yeah. And I saw you were sharing
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online some of the artwork you had been working on for it as
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well. Yes.
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Yes, One Evil Christmas will be coming out in November, and, you
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know, I'm looking forward to it. I had fun writing that.
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It was a cute one, but again, it's sort of raw.
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I was still trying to figure out my writing, my new writing
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method to write nonfiction. And so it isn't quite perfect.
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And you know, yeah. That's wonderful.
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I find that in my own spiritual practice, it's so important to
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do creative projects that are, yes, inspired by the spiritual
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work that I'm doing, but also just have a freedom to exist in
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their own way, almost like the child of inspiration from
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everything else that my brain has been going through.
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And basically giving that as like a gem of inspiration to the
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world. And that's why I thought that
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the situation of this work that you've created is so important
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for other spiritual practitioners to think about and
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learn from and to be inspired by.
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Because not only is the story awesome and fun to read, but
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also this idea of someone like yourself that has dedicated his
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life to discovering the unknown and, and pursuing the occult
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mysteries. And, and not just that in a
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vacuum, but in all your work of community service through what
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you're doing to help other people in their paths, which is
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always difficult for people that are seeking in the darkness.
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And so this is really a lesson to a lot of people that just
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because you might be burned out, it doesn't mean that you're
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supposed to abandoned the things that you love.
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I've been. Asked numerous times, is STS
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done? Is it closing?
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Because as you know, last year we had a lot of problems.
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I went through a lot of problems.
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I've openly admitted that I even started slipping minorly into
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heavy marijuana use. And unfortunately, I did a
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interview and thankfully the interviewer didn't take that
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interview. They let me redo the interview,
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but I was high during the time because of all the stress that I
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was going under. And they let me redo the
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interview when I wasn't. And I was really appreciative,
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appreciative of that. And it showed me that there was
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a lot of things that I was having personal problems with
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that I needed to address. And so people, you know, in
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October, we went on sabbatical. I showed the membership doors,
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numerous members left STS, but you know, and people ask me is
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STS done? Is it closing?
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Like no, it's not closing, but we are taking a break from it.
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And I needed that break and that.
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And this book came about partially because of that rate
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that I was able to take it and refocus my energies that I
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needed to do that way, you know, when we do reopen, which we're
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going to be doing in October, things will be a little bit
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different. But we're going to be reopening
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in October. And I can come back to it with a
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fresh you and a fresh perspective and a new
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understanding and. Appreciation for it.
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That's fantastic. I think it really helps to spark
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that sense of wonderment as well and mystery that often can be
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distracted from when when we're dealing with so much stuff that
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is very personal in regards to helping people in the work that
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we do, right? Exactly.
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And the thing that a lot of people need to remember is the
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Satanists and occultists, priests and priestesses, we're
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people too. We have lives outside of this,
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families that we need to tend to.
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You know, you get a lot of people who come into this and
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they go so rock hard into it that they seem to forget why
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we're doing this, why we build templates in our homes, why we
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have altars or why we write books on this.
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We do this because we're trying to improve ourselves and part of
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improving ourselves is helping others improve themselves.
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And you know, sometimes we need help as well.
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And that's always going to be the major journey is you're
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always trying to improve. You're trying to improve your
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personal personality, your knowledge, your living
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situation, your health. There's always got to be
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something that you're trying to improve.
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You're trying to improve your personal skills on something.
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It doesn't matter what. And sometimes life gets in the
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way of that. And that's when we come in as
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clergy to help people out in whatever way that we can.
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And it doesn't matter if they're a Satanist or not.
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You know, we take vows to do exactly that.
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Yeah, exactly. And that really goes into the
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overall principles of your organization, the Satanic
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Thulian Society, you know of developing the the Ultima Thul,
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right? Exactly, exactly.
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You're always trying to reach your highest self, and that's
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exactly what Thul, or today, as some people might say, needs.
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I remember how you and I first met that was a little bit of a
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bit of contention, but because of you, I wrote this wonderful
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article that's actually on the website that kind of goes into
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explaining the history of the word fool.
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And you know how it's, you know, a lot of people, they
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misunderstand it as being just simply tied to the Nazis, but
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it's not. It's much older and people, if
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they read their Dante's Inferno, they know the character Virgil.
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And Virgil was a real person about 2000 years ago and she
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coined the term ultimate dual, meaning farthest dual and fool
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was this island way to the north.
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It was meant to be the ultimate goal of trying to reach that
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highest, furthest travelable point.
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That's what ultimately needs to go as far as you can and then
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keep going. Yeah, that's so amazing and
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inspiring for people because most people haven't been
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invested in the occult for as long as you.
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So they don't realize like the consequences of the energies
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that you put forward or how over all your life will go through
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some kind of alchemical transformation if you have a
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real spiritual practice. And it's not always just going
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to be the obvious things. You know, getting involved with
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Satanism on a social level can make you a bit of a pariah if
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you're not careful. And you know, that's another
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thing that a lot of people don't understand.
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So when you get into this, you know, you and I, we've been in
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it long enough, we understand on the price it takes on our lives
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and those people around us for simply being involved with us.
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And we're good with that. We've made peace with that.
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But a lot of people aren't. And that's one of the things
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that we we tried to tell people. And I think that people should
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know it more, you know, that we should tell people more that,
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hey there, you know, it's great to get involved with this, but
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think about how it is for your social life and where you want
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to go. This may not be the right path
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for you to achieve that. And, you know, I see so many
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people, they have, they're struggling, they have so many
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hardships and struggles. And I, I, I want to tell them,
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you know, this is what you're doing wrong.
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You need to change this. You need to change how you speak
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or approach things. And no matter what you do, then
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things will go better for you. But half the time, you know, I
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can't. I can't.
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And I've got to let them find that out.
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Trump will change themselves because if I intervene, it's
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going to contradict where they're going.
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They're like. The werewolf goes through a
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whole transformation process, right?
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So just like a person getting involved into the unknown and
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contacting this primal force that is magic, it can do so many
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things to a person. And I think that is really
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interesting in your choice of this story and and your
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background in esoteric studies. Ellie Granger, the main
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character of my book, she undergoes that change in the
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book. And it's a really interesting
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thing to see because as you know, in the beginning of the
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book, she's gone through some really bad things over the
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course of the year before the book happens.
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And she's, you know, I'm not going to give away any parts of
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the book for people. Throughout the course of the
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book you go from this beaten down girl to happening to come
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to grips not only with the things that have happened to
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her, but what is going on around her and what her future might
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be. Exactly.
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And and that's the cool part about the transformation aspect
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of the werewolf. Did you did you find that in in
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your pursuit of writing this book?
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And I know this is just the first in a series too, which is
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pretty cool. Did you find that it reflected
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your own personal transformation from your gnosis of the occult?
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I want to say so, you know, I never really thought about it.
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But yeah, you know, looking back on it, when I first started
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really getting into the Echo, I started just as this nine kid
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who one day, you know, one day had an incident myself.
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And I've shown people the scars on the side of my head.
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I was bitten by a Great Dane and I was DOA for 20 minutes.
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I've told people this story before and when I came back, you
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know, because they were pronouncing me dead, they were
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giving up on me. And I came back, I, I'd seen
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some shit and it changed my perspective and it set me out on
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this whole path of religious study because I wanted to
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understand what I saw while I was dead.
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And that changed everything. So in a weird way, it was pretty
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ironic because at during the incident where I was bitten by
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the dog, I remember, you know, freaking out and screaming.
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You know, I can't remember if I was screaming.
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I think I was screaming at my grandmother and my mom, my
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adoptive mother. But I'm a werewolf now and I'm
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going to change. Oh wow, so you had really had
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like a direct personal experience that you can tie into
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this? Well, I was just a little boy.
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I was about 7-8 years old, something like that, and I had
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just been bitten by a Great Dane.
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So they're huge. To a child, they're like a
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horse. They're huge to an adult and
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this is a fully grown Great Dane.
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Her name was Kelly Girl. She was my grandmother's dog and
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her and I had grown up together. Well, she had just recently been
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hit by a car and so she was sore and we're in the my
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grandmother's kitchen and I had my shoes on and I didn't realize
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that her paw was sore. And I touched her sore paw and
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she yelled. And you know how a dog yelps
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when they when something touches a tender spot, like or something
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really sore, they snap at whatever's causing them pain?
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Well, she didn't mean to, but she snapped and yelled and my
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head was in the way. And so, you know, a dog in pain
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kids head, not a good combination.
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Great Danes have these great big, huge old heads and these
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big jaws. So it was, it was literally like
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getting mocked by a werewolf. So the irony was that yes, in a
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strange way, due to it by my entire life.
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Yeah, and then you went through this whole process too, of
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coming into your own power through pursuing these darker
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mysteries. Yes.
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And, you know, learning about myself, I want to say the true
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source of my power came from learning about myself and
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learning what I could and couldn't do.
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Coming to grips in terms with both the positive elements of
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myself and the most monstrous elements of my stuff that we all
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have. That those monstrous elements
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that are so horrific that we know we're fully capable of,
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that we will never talk about to anybody else, that we will never
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talk about openly to anyone. Even if they ask, even if they
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are some of the most trusted people in the world, we just
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will never talk about most people.
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They bury that monster inside of them and they never, they put it
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in a little tiny box in their head and they never opened the
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box. Well, I found one of the things
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that in order to truly come to understand yourself is you've
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got to open that box and you've got to face that monster of
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yourself. And once you can come to grips
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with that, once you can face that and admit it to yourself,
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you never have to talk about it to anybody else.
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But as long as you can admit it to yourself, you can control it.
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You can then put that box back. You could put an extra lock on
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it because you now understand what it is and you can now turn
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that evil to your benefit and become the best version of
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yourself. And I think the werewolf is a
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wonderful example of that transformation.
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You know, the vampire is another one as well.
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And I think that's why vampires and werewolves, they are some of
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our favorite monsters, because we see that these are creatures
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in folklore that represent the most monstrous elements of
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humanity, the bestial nature, and the absolute pure sadist,
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and that they just consume and destroy everything around them.
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But they can also create and become something above humanity.
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And I think that's one of the other reasons why we like these
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monsters so much, why we love wear rules because and vampires
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because they inspire us to become more than ourselves by
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confronting that evil within us. Yeah, that's so true, brother.
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Like when you speak of this, those are the real keys to
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mastering black magic and the dark arts.
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It's not about finding the fucked up things inside of us
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and becoming insane from it. It's about realizing those
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things are there and creating an alchemical change within
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ourselves to integrate those aspects so they don't control
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us, but we can use them in beautiful ways.
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Just like you have done this creative work.
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And I think that's so helpful for anybody that's on this path
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to understand, like figure out what is your creative outlet?
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Maybe you don't like writing like Lucifer does.
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Maybe you don't like painting like I do, but maybe you like
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something else. Like any kind of creative outlet
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is literally how. Everybody here to have that
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creativity in them. Exactly it can be.
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It can be working on cars. It can be.
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Yeah. That's so true.
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You know, it could be gardening, it could be animal care, you
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know, as you know, I have my dog in here with me, he said.
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She's she's being a lazy bum on the floor.
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But you know, there's all these different avenues of creativity.
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We are not locked into just simply doing artwork.
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And there's certain parts of doing artwork that we're not
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going to be good at. And that's perfectly OK because
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we're going to find strength in other elements of it.
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And it's about finding what we aren't good at and be it
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writing, be it painting, be it whatever we can figure out other
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things to make up or our weaknesses for those weak parts
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of our artistic nature or creativity, or as we like to
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call it in STS, the black flame. Because that's exactly what the
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black flame is. It's the fire of creativity and
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magic in US. How does imaginative creative
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work like your fiction writing demonstrate A deeper connection
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to the demonic and infernal currents that you explore in
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your own spiritual practice and and teachings?
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Well, like I said before, I burned myself out on writing
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books like the Testament. I burned myself out on that.
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But I still love Satanism. I still love the darks, the dark
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arts. And I was like, how can I
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continue to teach people about this when I'm currently burned
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out on writing straight up literature?
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And I was like, you know, some of the best things that inspired
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me was fiction. You know, looking at watching
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Christopher Lee and Bella Lugosi, Peter Cushing Servant
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surprise all these people, you know, these old time movie
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actors who portrayed this in in their movies.
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That was inspiration. Why can't I create stories that
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do the same thing? Why can't I write a book or
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various books, who just through the simple actions of the
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characters and the process of the story, teach the
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fundamentals of what Satanism is, to apply it in a real
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situation, even if that situation is a fantastical
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fantasy situation, like being chased through the Cherokee
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National Forest by a werewolf? Why can't I apply those lessons
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and apply it to my characters? So when people read the book,
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they can see how these lessons can be applied to their
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day-to-day life through these characters, through Ellie,
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through Chena, they can see the downfalls of like Jess and Mark.
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And ultimately they can see what real evil looks like through
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David. They can see what real goodness
30:32
and kindness looks like through Jared.
30:37
You know, You think about it, Jared Patchy know exactly what
30:41
was going on. There's no way he could miss it.
30:44
It was obvious he knew, and yet he didn't show one bit of hatred
30:50
towards them. He didn't show one iota of in
30:54
spiritedness. He accepted them.
30:57
He opened up his door, fed them, gave them warm clothes when he
31:07
didn't have to. He could have turned that rifle
31:10
right over onto them and ended it.
31:15
There really been nothing that they could have done.
31:18
Yeah, the books have what I like to think of as, and you had
31:24
mentioned to me as well like to when I was reading it, to be
31:30
aware of the various themes that you teach in your order.
31:36
And I really like that because you explore principles of what I
31:42
like to think of as real theistic Satanism, which is
31:46
about helping people, which is about empowering people, not
31:51
harming children, and all these other values that overall will
31:55
fundamentally help the world and people if they actually think
31:59
about them and not fear the things that people don't want to
32:04
pay attention to. Because that's a big that's a
32:06
big part of the problems, right? Exactly, exactly.
32:10
You know, Satanism, it teaches you to take responsibility for
32:14
your own actions and inactions. When we look at everything that
32:18
Ellie went through, we realized that it was all her own actions
32:25
and inactions that caused her problems.
32:28
And she understood that. She didn't shy away from that
32:32
responsibility. And it wasn't easy.
32:37
It wasn't it wasn't nice. It was very painful for her, but
32:43
would you say in the end of the book she was rewarded for it?
32:47
Oh yeah, absolutely. Because she took a head on
32:52
approach of realizing the mistakes that she had made.
32:56
That's what caused her to change.
33:00
And how? By by understanding those
33:03
mistakes, yeah. And then I change too, right?
33:06
Yeah, exactly. I change thanks to your help and
33:08
learning from you like that is. So important to know.
33:12
I remember you looking at me. You know, we were having a video
33:15
conversation just like this. And I remember you looking at me
33:18
and you're like, what can I do? You know, I, you know, I've hurt
33:23
myself so much, what can I do? And I gave you so many
33:26
recommendations and you took them.
33:29
You took them all, even right down to stopping and plucking
33:32
your eyebrows and letting them grow back in you.
33:35
You were like, they'll never grow back in.
33:37
They'll they did well. There's kind of there is a
33:40
little eyeshadow on them that's filling them in, but they are
33:43
there. Now.
33:44
They're just very fair because like my hair, my natural hair
33:47
color is pretty light, so you can't see them that well.
33:50
But but yeah, like, and I just feel better thanks to your
33:53
honest advice to me and also just from learning the things
33:56
that you teach people. The most important step in all
34:01
of that, in your personal transformation, just like with
34:04
Elliot, hers, you getting lie to yourself anymore.
34:10
You didn't hide from the mistakes you had made.
34:14
She doesn't hide from the mistakes she's made.
34:19
You accepted that responsibility, and you took the
34:22
initiator by accepting that responsibility to change the
34:27
course of your law. So when you were writing the
34:30
book, did you have any new dimensions about darkness and
34:38
your beliefs about darkness and transformation while you were
34:42
writing the book? No, not so much in the
34:46
metaphysical sense when I was writing the book and I was, and
34:52
I'm still in that developmental phase of changing my writing
34:57
style, as you noted before I was before I was an occult non
35:03
fiction author and now I'm writing a cult fiction.
35:12
I'd call it horror fiction half the time and sometimes a little
35:15
bit of mystery. I found that it wasn't so much
35:20
the magical element of me discovering anything new
35:27
magically. I didn't do any real magical
35:31
growth, so to speak, in the sense of doing ritual or
35:35
anything like that. Where I grew was in my personal
35:39
skills at being an author, at being an editor, at being a
35:46
publisher. And I actually have the
35:48
hardcover version with me as well.
35:49
But if you're an author and you're writing a picture, one of
35:54
the best habits to do, and this is what I wasn't doing and I
35:57
should have been doing, is when you get in your hard copies your
36:02
your pre published hard copies. Read through it and keep a pen
36:05
and paper with you and any minor little mess up.
36:10
You write down the chapter, the page number and what the mess up
36:13
is and what you need to do to correct it.
36:15
Like the Satanic testament. If you look at the Satanic
36:19
Testament, you'll notice that I have a ragged line on this side.
36:24
This is just an editor editing part.
36:27
I didn't know how to correct the big gaps with justified text.
36:31
Now I do. So it's like when you read the
36:35
new book and I can show you this one.
36:39
This is part of the growth that I did.
36:41
So I'm actually goes to your question.
36:44
When you look at the new book, you'll notice that unlike the
36:47
Satanic Testament, the text is fully justified.
36:51
No super huge gapping really. And it looks really good.
36:56
That was part of my personal growth is I never really
37:00
justified my texts. I didn't understand that.
37:03
And that goes to partially to learning to be creative in a
37:09
way, challenging yourself in your creative process, just like
37:16
with me trying to develop new habits with my writing process.
37:23
One of the things that I never used to do is I never used to
37:25
write a story outline or a story skeleton.
37:29
I used to be a discovery writer. You know, I just go off on a
37:33
tangent and, you know, see where it takes me.
37:37
And that worked great with the Testament because I could focus
37:42
each chapter on a specific subject.
37:45
But it doesn't really. And some authors can do it.
37:47
You can do discovery writing with fiction One Evil Christmas.
37:52
It's all discovery written it it is 100% discovery written.
37:57
But I found like with a bad moon, a bad moon is completely
38:04
structured. I wrote out a skeleton, I wrote
38:07
out a full story, Bible, character profiles, I I plotted
38:15
the whole book out as best as I could and I found that it was
38:21
much better. I want to continue to teach
38:23
people about Satanism even if I'm not writing non fiction and
38:29
I'm writing fiction. If you read these books that I'm
38:33
writing now, you can see the Satanic lessons applying to the
38:39
characters through their faults and their strengths.
38:43
And before I wouldn't have been able to do that.
38:46
That's why I thought this was project was just so cool.
38:48
Sorry to interrupt you. I just, This is why I wanted to
38:51
feature you on the channel because I think this is so
38:54
important for people to witness, like how you put all of this
38:58
together, your discovery process and why you chose to do this.
39:02
Because I think it's so unique in a creative project that's
39:07
still teaching people about Satanism and your message, but
39:11
in a way that also helps inspire people on how how can they
39:16
create something artistic with those same messages.
39:20
Yeah, and that, that's the thing.
39:22
We see so many books coming out on Satanism, and some of them
39:27
are really good. I got a whole library shelf
39:31
behind me filled with books on Satanism.
39:35
I've got books by Anton Lavey, Michael Aquino.
39:40
I've got books by authors who are just not around anymore.
39:45
Some of these books are really great books.
39:48
Some of them are not very good at all.
39:52
But The thing is, that doesn't mean that the Satanist who wrote
39:55
it was bad, just that they didn't have the right medium and
39:59
to be able, you know, if you want to write a book and say
40:02
you're a good fiction author. You don't need to write a book
40:07
like this. You can write a book like this
40:10
and achieve all the things that you did with this.
40:14
Look at L Ron Hubbard with Scientology.
40:18
He was a science fiction writer. A lot of the lessons that he
40:22
applied to Scientology, he taught through his fiction
40:25
stories just as much as we did through his Scientology books.
40:31
And that was one of the things that I've chosen to do with my
40:35
fiction writing is I want to achieve the same thing.
40:40
As a matter of fact, because of the fiction writing, you can 0IN
40:44
on a very specific life lesson that can have such a far
40:49
reaching effect into other avenues.
40:52
You don't have to have your characters standing in front of
40:55
a satanic altar to teach those lessons.
40:58
I mean, you could if that's part of your story or you could have
41:02
them fighting Medusa. You can have your characters not
41:07
even be Satanists when you read a a bad moon.
41:11
None of the characters in this book are Satanists.
41:15
They're not devil worshippers. They're normal kids.
41:19
They're normal people with normal lives.
41:22
Ellie herself is a Christian, technically, you know, and the
41:29
upcoming sequel, you learn that the Tina character, her parents
41:35
are Methodist, and there's other characters who have other
41:39
religions in the upcoming book, in the whole upcoming series,
41:47
but yet they're still applying Satanic principles.
41:50
You don't need to be a Satanist to apply our principles to your
41:53
life and be successful. And these characters, they're
41:58
not technically Satanist, but they're still find Satanic
42:02
principle and philosophy. Yeah, I thought it was very,
42:06
very successful. So for spiritual people that are
42:11
committed to the Left Hand Path and its philosophies, why do you
42:16
believe that it's vital to have creative projects beyond just
42:22
them doing rituals? Well it's mostly to help avoid
42:26
the situation that I went through.
42:28
I had been going so hard to my Satanism as people can see just
42:34
from where I'm sitting and if they watch my ritual videos.
42:41
I built my own temple in my house I had.
42:47
I'm currently sitting in a room with a 12 foot ceiling with a
42:52
dragon chandelier above my head. The whole room is completely
42:57
painted black and red and is dedicated to Satanism.
43:01
I went balls to the wall in Satanism for the better part of
43:06
a decade, 8 years at least, even though STS hasn't been out for
43:12
eight years. We were going to be coming up on
43:15
our sixth year this October, but even before then I went balls to
43:23
the wall was Satanism. We had a meet up group up in
43:27
Maryland. We had people coming over and I
43:30
completely dedicated myself to Satanism and satanic writing and
43:36
just going completely all in on it so far that I eventually
43:43
burned myself out. And burnout is not fun.
43:49
It can be scary. You PD left questioning your own
43:54
faith and everything because you get so tired of it that it
43:59
becomes very meaningless to you. Me personally, I love doing
44:03
ritual. I love doing our monthly high
44:06
masses. They are very important to me
44:09
and I find that a lot of other people enjoy them as well.
44:14
Because no one else was doing it.
44:16
No one else was doing live satanic rituals or people to get
44:21
involved. And I love doing it, but I was
44:26
losing my enthusiasm for it. They were coming to me as empty
44:31
and hollow even as I was reading words and I that hurt.
44:36
And so having these creative projects, being able to step
44:43
away out of this satanic sphere that we encase ourselves in
44:49
outside of this dark metaphysical sphere, having
44:53
these projects like this, just a simple creative project that you
44:59
can have fun with that helps keep that fire in you alive to
45:09
do all this. Because this, what we do here is
45:16
only one part of our lives. And that's something that I
45:20
think most Christians actually get right.
45:24
You can be a, you're a sickness 24/7.
45:27
You have a religion 24/7. It's not something you can turn
45:30
on and off by a light switch. We use these philosophies to
45:37
help guide us through life and interpret our world, but this is
45:43
not our entire lives. It cannot.
45:48
This is only one element of our lives.
45:51
And by having these other outside projects, having these
45:57
other outside things makes all of this much more enjoyable and
46:03
fulfilling in here. So when you have a creative
46:07
project, you're painting, writing a book, be writing a
46:12
picture book, even just picking up and reading up a fiction book
46:16
or playing a video game. Having a passion project that
46:22
has nothing to do with the occult, that has nothing to do
46:25
with your religion or anything outwardly will help you build
46:33
yourself to your religion, help marry you to it all the more
46:37
because then you could step into your virtual chamber.
46:41
You can pick up your sacred book, your groom warms and you
46:47
can feel that weight you can feel that joy in.
46:51
For me, I haven't stopped doing my monthly high masses, even
46:56
though I'm in sabbatic still until October.
46:59
So we still have a few months left.
47:04
But going into sabbatical, stepping away from most of this
47:09
for 90% of my life, not answering as many questions
47:15
about Satanism, not talking about it as much and focusing on
47:20
creative projects. Personally, getting into fiction
47:25
writing and having fun with it. I found that I'm enjoying my
47:30
monthly high masses more and I am having fun with it.
47:36
Occasionally we get Christian haters who come into the rooms
47:40
and they're causing trouble and we have people who still bounce
47:45
them out and everything. But even then, I have fun with
47:51
them. I enjoy their presence, even
47:53
though they're talking some of the most hateful vitriol.
47:57
Anybody who watches my eye masses know that I can't see it.
48:03
It's not affecting me because I turned the camera around.
48:08
So I got Diana off in the corner here who's monitoring
48:12
everything. I got other people on other
48:15
computers who work as our security who's monitoring
48:20
everything, and they're seeing it.
48:21
I'm not. They're just bouncing them out.
48:24
And even when they're not there, the people who are there, they
48:28
eventually realize that they're not achieving anything and they
48:32
leave. And we still have a wonderful
48:36
fun, sometimes laughter filled ritual.
48:41
And it's really interesting because you have these satanic
48:45
rituals and you know how we get, we can get really like fire and
48:50
brimstone in them, but then we can break and just start
48:54
cracking up laughing and it's really wonderful.
48:58
And that brings the enjoyment of the religion back to us.
49:03
And we can talk, you know, even after the ritual or the board
49:08
ritual, we can talk about our bit of passion projects because
49:11
ultimately that is what we live life for, is that passion, that
49:18
love of living. And if we can't have fun
49:22
projects like this for me or your painting or whatnot, then
49:29
what's the point of it all? What would be the point of all
49:33
if we couldn't enjoy our religion, why are we practicing
49:37
it? If I wasn't enjoying Satanism
49:40
anymore, why would I keep doing Satanic stuff?
49:44
And we see people like Marie Ravensall on Remember Her.
49:49
She went through a burnout phase and she didn't tell anybody
49:53
about it. And she went through a hard
49:56
conversion to Christianity. She took down all of her books
50:00
online. She stopped dressing gothic and
50:03
everything. She went through a whole
50:04
transformation. I'm not sure it's exactly
50:06
healthy for her. I hope it is.
50:09
I hope for the best for her. And I could end up going through
50:13
what Maria Ravenson did were, you know, complete religious
50:17
converting. I wouldn't have converted to
50:19
Christianity. I would have still been Pagan.
50:20
I might have gone to Norse paganism or back to Wicca.
50:26
But you know, I didn't want to do that because I love Satanism
50:31
so much. I love being a Levaean.
50:33
I love all the effort that we put into this house, even though
50:39
this house still needs a lot of work.
50:41
This room, you know, I put so much heart and soul into it to
50:46
bring to people, to allow people to come here and experience the
50:52
magic of it all for themselves. And if I couldn't do that
50:58
anymore, if it would have broken my heart, it would have
51:02
absolutely just crushed. And I was so thankful that I was
51:12
able to fix that about myself, to take a step away.
51:19
And yes, STS did suffer serious losses.
51:23
Yes, we had a lot of people lead, a lot of high-ranking
51:27
members lead. And yes, we are going to be
51:31
undergoing a change that is not going to be the same STS it was
51:37
before. But hopefully because of that
51:40
change, it's going to be a better STS because the people
51:44
who are going to be involved with it, I'm hoping will be much
51:48
more actively involved and will be able to enjoy themselves and
51:57
enjoy what we do. I definitely know that there's
52:00
probably a lot of people that watch my channel that would be
52:05
interested in learning more about the Satanic Thulian
52:09
Society and the other work that you do, So what would be the
52:12
best way for people to pursue that?
52:15
Well, right now, because we are still sabbatical, the best two
52:21
ways to do it is to buy a The Satanic Testament and the
52:27
subsequent books The Black Room War and Red Room War as well as
52:31
the Satanic Priest top secret menu.
52:34
These books are the best way and if you want to pick up the Bible
52:38
Cthulhu for our Cthulian element, you can go ahead and do
52:43
that. The other way is to look on our
52:46
website and read up on the website.
52:50
Currently I'm off and on trying to do edits to the website.
52:55
Unfortunately, due to finances, I've had to take down the old
52:59
Cult Cthulhu website that I was running and we're merging that
53:02
onto the STS website. So the STS website is going to
53:08
be like my central hub page where it's going to have
53:11
everything. It's going to have my author
53:13
profile, my author page, it's going to have the Cult Cthulhu
53:16
stuff, it's going to have any of our other sub genres of
53:21
Satanism, like a vampirism, Setianism, SIP ISM, as well as
53:28
the Levan stuff, the Kakulian stuff.
53:30
It's all going to be on the STS website and in its own little
53:35
section. So I'm currently slowly working
53:38
that in because I've been so focused on writing, I haven't
53:42
really sat down fully to do to focus on editing the website.
53:49
But that all being said, the website is a really powerful
53:53
tool. It is a really good, solid place
53:56
to be. One of the big things that I
53:58
remember was the old Church of Satan website where it just had
54:02
a massive amount of information compared to how the Church of
54:06
Satan website used to be when it was just a basic HTML site with
54:12
the button column on the side and it was just, it was very
54:16
rudimentary. The amount of information that
54:19
it had was absolutely stunning. And if you knew how to operate
54:24
that website, you could pretty much understand the entire
54:28
church Satan beliefs from that website.
54:33
We're obviously not atheists. We do believe in a very real
54:37
Satan. We believe it in the same way
54:40
that Anton Lavey actually did. Contrary to popular belief, he
54:44
was not an atheist and he actually stated so numerous
54:47
times. He went on the Joe Pyne show and
54:50
everything. He just didn't believe in an
54:51
anthropomorphic state and neither do we.
54:55
We believe in a transmutable state.
54:57
So that's a whole thing that if you're really interested in it,
55:01
you gotta, you can read the books.
55:04
You can read the website and you can understand what is
55:07
transmutable versus what is anthropomorphic and why is that
55:12
such a a very critical detail. And when you understand that and
55:16
you realize oh wait, Anton Lavey flat out said even in the
55:21
Satanic Bible, which is right behind me, the 1st chapter of
55:26
Anton Lavey's book. Let me pull it up.
55:31
The very first words in the very first chapter chapter in the
55:36
book of Lucifer and it's in this chapter wanted God dead or alive
55:43
on page 40. This is what Anton Lebay says
55:47
and I want people to pay attention to it.
55:49
It is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not
55:52
believe in God. Notice he said misconception
55:57
that they don't believe in God, which means they absolutely do
56:00
believe in God. That is the literally the very
56:06
first sentence. The very first sentence, and we
56:09
take that to heart. Anton La Vey went on the Joe
56:12
Pine show and he flat out said he absolutely believed God
56:18
exists. Then he went on to explain how
56:20
that was. Well, once you actually break it
56:23
down, you realize Anton Valet didn't have a word for that.
56:27
He didn't understand that the word was transmutable, and so he
56:32
just expressed we just don't believe in an anthropomorphic
56:36
God or an anthropomorphic Satan, which is 100% correct.
56:43
It's not to say that Satan or God can't take on an
56:45
anthropomorphic form if necessary, but they can also
56:50
just be a written word, a story, a book, they can be a song, they
56:57
can be whatever they need to be to get to an individual person
57:01
and make them understand. They can even, like the
57:04
Christians say, work in mysterious ways.
57:08
And that is the whole concept of being a dark undercond of
57:13
energy, as Anton Malay used to say about what Satan was.
57:18
It was a stark undercurrent of energy in the world.
57:22
And that dark undercurrent of energy works in different ways,
57:27
different mysterious ways. And so, yeah, we absolutely do
57:33
the real Satan. But the best way to learn about
57:40
this, about what we do, about what real Satanism is, about
57:47
what the Satanic Julian Society is, is to go to our website.
57:51
It costs you nothing. You might be asked to sign up
57:55
for our e-mail list, which I will randomly throw out new
58:00
emails to send out to anybody who signs up, which will have
58:03
promotionals for our upcoming books.
58:07
You can get links to upcoming copies of the quote and the
58:10
book. You can find back issues through
58:14
it. It's really interesting.
58:17
So yeah. And you can even see upcoming
58:22
articles or events and make plans to possibly attend one of
58:26
our events. And that that's going to be one
58:30
of the big things that, you know, just go to our website,
58:34
get involved with us. The best way to learn about this
58:38
is get involved with it. I will put links to everything
58:42
that you mentioned in the description of this video, as
58:46
well as the link to your YouTube channel so everyone can find it.
58:50
Thank you so much for allowing me to interview you since you've
58:54
gone on your sabbatical. I really appreciate it.
58:57
I think that there's so much ground that we cover today in
59:01
this very deep conversation that people can take so much from.
59:05
To everyone that's watching, please go right now and buy a
59:10
Bad Moon and all of his other books as well.
59:14
I'll put links to that in the description of this video.
59:18
Lucifer Legawarden, thank you so much for your time today.
59:21
Did you have anything else that you wanted to say to people
59:24
before we go? STS is not fading away.
59:28
We are going to be changing some of our policies, some of our
59:33
membership rules will be changing.
59:36
It will sort of make things easier to support us, but also
59:41
might make it a little bit different and more difficult to
59:44
become a member. But if you do become a member of
59:48
STS, you will find it much more rewarding than it was before.
59:54
That's all I'm going to say about it.
59:56
Now. We're going to be doing a full
59:57
announcement in October and after we fully back open back
1:00:02
up, it'll be on the website. There's going to be a, there is,
1:00:07
there's always been a membership section on the website where
1:00:10
people can look at that and that's going to be covering a
1:00:14
lot of that in the future. And, you know, I'm going to be
1:00:19
writing more books, you know, a lot more fiction books like
1:00:22
this. That's about all I can say is
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