Latest / Petty and Unbothered / #29 - Fur Which Elise?
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- Robin Axline: Yeah. yeah, I'm ready. Tita Lors: Yay, here we go. The music is playing and then it's done. And I'm gonna say welcome back everybody! This is Petty Unbothered, where we ask each other what was the pettiest thing we came across this week. I'm Tita Lors and with me is Robin. Can I say your last name? Should I say your last name? How do you feel about that? Robin Axline: I feel about it I feel about just fine about it because I think my name is Tita Lors: Okay. Robin Axline: like on everything else. So it's not like a mystery. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axel, everybody! Woo! Robin Axline: Yeah. Hello. Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: Hello out there. Tita Lors: How are you doing today? Robin Axline: pretty well, thanks. Yeah, it's nice day out today. A little on the warm side, but I like it 'cause it's not a humid warm. Tita Lors: yeah. Robin Axline: So it's actually like not as crazy as it's been. Tita Lors: Yeah. Well usually it shows both of us, but I'm using I'm using a new website browser. So usually with Chrome it just automatically pops out the video. Yeah, Robin Axline: yeah. Mm-hmm. Tita Lors: but now I'm using a different website browser because I'm testing it out to see if I like it or not. yes, somebody sent me an email and I thought I've never heard of this like email thing before and I thought it was like scam. So I looked it up and it is a protective email thing where like it tracks or it removes like trackers from emails. so that you're not getting like weird stuff and it it I know, it's just supposed to be a better email whatever thing I'm a jiggy technology. yeah. And then I looked at the browser. Yeah. Robin Axline: Am I right? Yeah. Tita Lors: And I looked at the browser and I was like, interesting. It's just supposed to be a better way. or not a better way, but like a more protected way of like browsing the internet or using websites and perusing and all that stuff. And I was like, Okay, I like it. So I've been testing it out and so far it's pretty good actually. Robin Axline: I mean, I don't know if this is overstepping, but could you share with the class what it's called or Tita Lors: I was I was just about to. It's Duck DuckGo. Yeah. I I'd Robin Axline: Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Tita Lors: never heard have you heard of it before? Robin Axline: Yeah, I have, but I've never tried it, so Tita Lors: Yeah, I'd never heard of it. and I like that the AI is optional. Like when you're when we're doing our research for shows and stuff, it doesn't automatically spew out, Here's what you should think about, all of this information. Robin Axline: yeah. That I like that too. Tita Lors: Like Google's doing right now. Robin Axline: Well, the one thing I've found that's helpful is when you type in something you can put like negative AI or something and then it doesn't do that part. If I don't want all Tita Lors: Yeah, I just Robin Axline: their stuff. Tita Lors: Yeah, but I don't wanna have to type that in. I think there maybe there is a way for me to like turn that feature off. I thought I didn't y yeah. So here we are. Now I'm using DuckDuckGo's browser and seeing how that works. maybe I can no. Like, where's the pop ups? Let me see it. But no, no pop ups. Whatever. I don't get to look at your gorgeous face while I read you all of this stuff. Robin Axline: It's all good, no worries. I was just gonna say another one you might want to try. I don't know if you're really into trying others, but the one I like to use is called Opera. that one has been like I've been using that for a lot lot of years, but I kind of go between that and Chrome, depending on what I'm doing. So or if one thing doesn't work on Chrome, then I'll test it on Opera vice versa. So Tita Lors: one thing that Chrome is doing that's interesting though is that you can put all of your tabs on the side now. Mm-hmm. Instead of having to see them up top. I'm like, ooh, fun. I like this. Yeah, Robin Axline: Fine. Huh. Tita Lors: now I'm not gonna be distracted by all the tabs that's up there. They're away and out of my line of sight, which is really nice. Robin Axline: Huh, I'll have to give that a whirl. Tita Lors: Yeah, I just saw the notification with the new Chrome update. I'm like, fiance. Robin Axline: Anything that will save me from getting distracted is probably a good thing. Tita Lors: I know, right? Or helping to organize all of the tabs and make sense of them. Yeah. But anyways, what's the pettiest thing you've come across this week? Robin Axline: This I'm gonna try to make it like as not complicated as possible. Tita Lors: Make it complicated. Who cares? Robin Axline: it's like not that big of a deal, but it just kinda like felt a little odd, I guess. It's like I've been trying to schedule my next acupuncture appointment because I've had like I had like kind of a standing appointment and then I had to when I went to Chicago I had changed that and then when Ryan visited I changed it and it's just been like back and forth. Yeah. No. I just didn't wanna yeah, deal with that but Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: And then on the other hand, I feel like she's been changing things around on me too, and I'm just kinda like, this is wild. so finally I got an appointment. Then all of a sudden, like the day before or something, she's like writes me an email and she's like I'm gonna be out of town until August seventeenth. But she has availability and then at six, except for three or something. Yeah, that's why I was like, this is so Tita Lors: This is so complic No wonder. Yeah. Robin Axline: crazy. I'm like, what is she talking about? Like, what's all these times and what day and all this? And I'm just like, Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: is she messing with me? Or is this like I don't know. And so then I was just like, hold on, what does this mean? And I was like, okay, you're Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: available at one, two, four, and at six, except for three. Tita Lors: Maybe three o'clock? Robin Axline: Apparently that's where we draw the line. I don't Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: know. And then meanwhile, I'm just like, I'm leaving for a trip. I have like a lot of things coming up immediately after my trip. And I'm just trying to schedule like one freaking appointment. And then it turns into like Well, as you can see, it's like the most complex logistics ever. Like a hostage negotiation or something. I don't know. It's just like I know. And Tita Lors: crazy stuff ever. Yeah. my goodness. Like, give me my appointment. Robin Axline: I'm like, I'm trying to make it easy. And I'm just like, I could just be reading into it, but I feel like that was the pettiest thing to happen to me this week because it just Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: felt so odd and strange. So I basically just wrote a really nice email back and I was just like, hey, Tita Lors: Seems like we're really busy. Robin Axline: Yeah, I'm just like, 'cause I couldn't even figure out the what that all that meant and so I was just like, you know, I'm going on a trip and I have a bunch of stuff coming up afterwards, which is the truth. And so I was just like, I will hit you up after all that. And then she just put, thank you, with an exclamation mark. Tita Lors: She's probably like, phew, thank God. Robin Axline: Yeah, she's like, Thank God. Anyways, how about yourself? Tita Lors: Okay. what is the pettiest thing this week? I feel like the pettiest thing I'm experiencing is perimenopause. It is such a petty experience that's very unique to womanhood or to having a uterus. Like it's just crazy. Like I I always knew I was gonna get it early 'cause you know, depending on your your parent your mother, blah blah blah, whatever. So I I figured, yes, I was gonna get it early. And then I heard from somebody else that people of color typically get it sooner, and just all this stuff. But no one ever actually talks. I knew about menopause. I never knew parent menopause existed. I don't know if it's a new thing or what the hell. But then I was like, My ear is so itchy, what is this? This was like a year or two ago. And then I ended up I somehow came across some post that was like, Here's some symptoms you didn't know was related to paramenopause And I'm like, What the heck? And the itchy ear thing, like the dryness in your ear, paramenopause. Robin Axline: Whoa, weird. That's I wow, that's really cool. Tita Lors: Yes, and there were s right. And then there's like so many other symptoms too that I had been experiencing and I was like, maybe this is just, you know, postpartum or I don't know, life is stressful. And probably those, but also paramenopause. So yay. Robin Axline: Yay. Tita Lors: And then I heard this is like potentially a ten year long experience. Y yes. And then I was talking to somebody else who is like just moved into menopause and they're like, you think it would be the end of it, right? Like finally I don't have to worry about my uterus and it trying to kill me and like, you know, PMS and all that stuff. no. Menopause comes with its own set of symptoms that you're gonna have to deal with for the rest of your life because it's not like there's an end to per to menopause. I know, I'm like, yeah, owning a uterus. Robin Axline: Because it's terrible. Tita Lors: Woohoo So good. I know. Robin Axline: God, why? yeah, but the perimenopause, I feel like in the past like couple of years I've heard it more and more, like on mentioned in like podcasts and things like that that where it I I didn't hear that much about it before. So Tita Lors: Yeah, 'cause nobody ever talked about it. It was hush, hush, shame, shame. Robin Axline: Yeah. Speaking of which, I'm not trying to like throw my mom under the bus, but she has like so much shame about that kind of stuff that like I don't even know if she's ever had menopause. Like I know it doesn't make any sense. She doesn't Tita Lors: you don't know if she's in it or if she went like when she finished? Robin Axline: she she's like the kind of person that like keeps like this like tough or not tough but just like stiff upper lip kind of thing, like nothing bothers me, nothing is a problem, like never complains about stuff like that. So it's it's just like a mystery. Even though I'm like, Tita Lors: my god. Robin Axline: well obviously Tita Lors: I don't even know how I overheard it's not like my mom was telling me about it, but I Robin Axline: Okay. Yeah. Tita Lors: was a very like nosy child. I was the kid who would like play suspiciously close to the to the adults so that I could get all the hot goss. And it always looked like I wasn't paying attention, but I was. I guess very much. Robin Axline: What a good little actor. Tita Lors: Yeah, so that's that's it. and then I also found out while I was in California that apparently, potentially, perhaps, if my mom is to be believed, I have endometriosis. I yeah, I was like, Shut up. No, I don't Yeah, so I had like a cyst that had to get removed, but I my understanding was, you know, PSA to everybody. if you're on birth control, make sure that you're taking that regularly at the same time, every day, because that can lead you to get cis. Ha, the more you know. Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: Yeah, so I thought that's why, but then my mom was like, No, they were talking to me and they told me that it's because you have endometriosis and I was like That makes a suspicious amount of sense, but also what? Yeah, and it's nothing I've ever thought that's my normal body experience apparently potentially is not normal and I should probably talk to someone about this. Robin Axline: Talks to someone. Tita Lors: Get this figured out! Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah, you don't wanna have to live with that if that's what they said. Tita Lors: Yeah. Well it's not it's the whole thing of like, well, it's definitely not as bad of an experience as what other people are talking about. Like I I have friends and family who have endometriosis and like Robin Axline: yeah. Tita Lors: like have this so many experiences and it sounds so painful and awful and I'm like, I don't have that, so obviously. Robin Axline: Yeah, I had a coworker that would have to like leave work 'cause it was so bad. Like it was like a common occurrence for her, which was I just felt terrible. Tita Lors: Yeah. And then I saw like a by the way, I guess, you know, it's a little bit too late for this warning, but flip to a different channel if you don't want to know about all of this stuff. Bye. Come back in a few minutes. but Robin Axline: Yeah, change the channel guys. Bye. Yeah. Tita Lors: like I saw this reel where someone's like, you're only supposed to like have th like a teaspoon or two tea tablespoons of like blood maybe or I don't know whatever you want to call it. but like just like two tablespoons when you're on your period. Yeah. So if you're if you're bleeding more Robin Axline: What? Okay, this is getting crazy now. I don't know. Tita Lors: than that then there's something's not right. Robin Axline: no, maybe I need to talk to somebody. No. Tita Lors: Yeah, like I was like, What? Yeah, and they're like, Yeah, so if you're getting like blood clots regularly throughout your menses, then you should probably talk to somebody about this. I'm like, I don't I feel like that's a normal experience. Am I wrong? Robin Axline: Geez, I just don't I mean it's not like I bring tablespoons to the bath or something. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: Again, guys, you can fast forward this part. Tita Lors: Please pass by Yeah, but also like so I I only started paying attention because I stopped using the pads a while ago and I use like the disc now. So you can kinda tell ish, sort of. And I'm like, huh. So apparently you're not supposed to like over your pads shouldn't be like over feeling. I don't know what the right words are, but Whatever. There shouldn't be that much. Yeah, they shouldn't Robin Axline: Speaking whatever. Tita Lors: be leaking. Like if you're replacing them regularly and frequently during the allotted time period that you're supposed to, then they shouldn't be leaking. and if they are, then yeah, like regularly. You should probably talk Robin Axline: Then talk to somebody. Tita Lors: to somebody about now we're just kind of Making everything a problem. Is this not normal if just everyone I talk to or most people that I talk to, I feel like we're all having the same experience. Do we all have this problem? Robin Axline: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I mean things are like getting to such nitty gritty places where yeah, it does make you question everything. Tita Lors: Yeah, like w we don't have to pathologize everything, do we? Yes. I Robin Axline: Right. I mean knowledge is power, but and it's good to normalize things. However, I do have to agree, it seems like there's a lot more going on lately to worry about. Tita Lors: Yeah. So n I don't even know what normal is anymore. I guess I have to readjust my my sense of what normal is. I don't know. Robin Axline: Maybe you don't adjust it so hard though. Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: Cause the normal like changes like every day, it feels like. So Tita Lors: true, so true. But yeah, I don't know. It's so that's that's the pettiest thing that I've that I have. But yeah. Okay, well I have a story for you. It's going to be fun, but I wanna start with a question, another question, that you don't have to have an answer for now. And I'm just realizing that I meant to find a story for this and didn't, but it's okay. what's the pettiest thing you've done when slighted or rejected by an ex partner or lover? Robin Axline: Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. Yeah. Tita Lors: Okay, awesome. I'll tell you what the pettiest thing potentially that I've ever done was. so I found out that the person that I was talking to was going on vacation, allegedly group vacation, but they were going on vacation with a chick. like yes it was a group thing, but I guess they partnered themselves with this specific girl and they did like everything, all of the pictures. It was them together. Yeah. So I found out while they were still there because he was getting post like tagged and posted or like all this stuff. And I'm all, cool story, bro. Thanks for that. And then I sent her like a hey girl message while they were on vacation. that's maybe the pettiest thing I've ever done. I don't know if that's really that petty. I can't really remember what I was saying, but I was like, just so you know, you're not the only one. I just found out because of these pictures. Thanks. Uh-huh. Okay. Robin Axline: I I got one when you're through. Tita Lors: Yeah. But that was it. and then come to find out she never actually saw it until like years later and then she was like, that would've been helpful to know, you know, then. Robin Axline: My gosh. That well it sucks for her too then because wow. Tita Lors: Yeah. Well she actually ended up in a relationship with him and I never did. Robin Axline: Ha ha ha ha. Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: His loss. Good thing you saw that when you did though, so Tita Lors: no it didn't help. We were on and off like situation shipping each other for the better part of a decade. Yes. So it didn't help. Robin Axline: Oof. Oof. no. so this is like some like this was something that happened at in high school. It's a little bit of an oldie, but it just came to mind was there was a upperclassman that I was dating for a little bit and We were kind of in those same like social circles and things, so we spent like quite a bit of time together anyways. And then it became kind of a little bit of a situationship, but kind of I mean it was like girlfriend call each other girlfriend and boyfriend, I guess. But Then one day he we were at school and he came up to me and he just looked funny. And I was like, no, what's going on? And basically he said he got a girl pregnant and I was like, hmm, Tita Lors: I school. Robin Axline: yeah, night school. Tita Lors: E Robin Axline: and I was like And he's yeah, and she's gonna have it or keep it and all this. And I'm like, but this is while we were going out. This happened, and he's like, Yeah. and so I was just like really feeling some type of way. And then like a little bit of time passed and his friend always seemed kind of interested in me. But Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: because I was with him, I didn't really like think about it, but then I I think after all that, I just kind of took him up on his like date offers and then we we didn't actually like seriously date, but we did go on quite a few little like date kind of situations together. and speaking of kind of like Pen Bal, he was kind of like a romantic, so he like wrote me a poem and I know why I just I just remember that I was like reading it on the bus on the way Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: home. I'm like, that's so nice. But then it didn't work out. But I felt like subconsciously perhaps it was because I was slighted that I agreed to go out with this friend. Tita Lors: Date him. Robin Axline: Yeah. I haven't thought about that in a long time. but yeah, that was brutal. Tita Lors: Nice. Well, I've got a story about someone being spiteful in a similar way. I don't know if you've ever heard of Beethoven, Ludwig von Beethoven. Does that sound familiar to you? Robin Axline: I don't know, he might have like numbered his symphonies or I don't know. Like that. I don't know. Tita Lors: Som something like that, yeah. Composer, classical music, very famous. Yes, yes, yes. Robin Axline: Mm interesting. Tell me more. I'm listening. Tita Lors: So hopefully he needs no introduction, but in case he does, Beethoven is a very well-known musical composer and reluctant but very talented pianist. After seeing Mozart performing for royalty and bringing home the big bucks, Daddy Beethoven was like, I have a son. This is a musical family. I like to gamble, and we need monies. And thus Beethoven was made to practice piano every day through frequent though frequently while crying. Because he would probably rather have been doing literally anything else when he was a kid. May know, right? There's I saw so many articles where it's like his neighbors would find him crying on the piano or like he would leave the piano s like tear soaked. I know. Robin Axline: Poor little Luddy. Yeah. Tita Lors: Right? This poor guy. and then he was sickly too. Like he frequently and often got sick as a child and it's thought that because of a lot of the illnesses that he had, including chicken pox and like various infections, that potentially that's what ended up leading to him becoming deaf as an adult. Yeah, I was like, oof, and chicken fox is why y'all should get vaccinated. Unless you wanna end up being deaf. Like our friend. Robin Axline: Don't wanna be deaf like our friend Beethoven Tita Lors: You could be an incredible composer, but instead your deaf sucks. Or I guess you could be a incredible composer and be deaf at same time. Because he he kept making music even after he lost his hearing. Yeah, he just would make it in a different register so that he could actually experience the music. That's why his music changed as he got older and more and lost more and more of his hearing or his ability to hear. Yeah. So he also had an incredibly huge ego. and he might have been the OG rock star. Yes. Mm. He what he definitely was like he enjoyed the limelight and the attention. He didn't appreciate being treated like lower class. Apparently musicians were treated like servants and he did not appreciate that. He demanded to be equal to the elite, which were the times he was not. he also really knew how to handle the media. Yeah, so a mental floss article said the composer set the tone of critiques of his work in the leading music journal of the day. I am not going to be able to say this. me nope. A Z. That's what they I'm not even gonna try. Robin Axline: C okay. Tita Lors: That's what it's called. Something zit. anyways, so Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Okay, yes. Tita Lors: Telling the editor to back off with negative comments if you wanted to receive copies of the musician's work. So he's like, You want my music? Stop talking shit. Basically. We're not gonna talk about his politics because that kind of makes him problematic. Yes. Robin Axline: yes, yes. Yes, I know what you're talking about. Okay. Tita Lors: But we will talk about the fact that he was known for writing sonatas for his love interest. Most notably, he dedicated the moonlight sonata to his main squeeze and pupil of the time. Have you ever heard the moonlight sonata? Robin Axline: Indeed, I have. It's iconic. Tita Lors: Okay, that's all you get. Robin Axline: man. Just kidding. Tita Lors: would feel if that it's so like morose and somber I don't know if I would want that to be dedicated to me and yet it was dedicated to his main squeeze at the time. Yes. So have you ever heard of Fur Elise? Robin Axline: Indeed. I have. I c I used to be able to play some of it. yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Tita Lors: Haven't we all at some point made an attempt? And once again, for those who have not ever tried to play this, let's Robin Axline: Let's let's listen. Tita Lors: get a taste of this one Alright, that's all you get. Robin Axline: Did he write this for her also or Or I'm jumping ahead. Tita Lors: Well we jumping ahead. This is what we're talking about today. So for Elise, or the actual translation, is literally for Elise. And you might be able to say this word better than me because you know about pianos and things. it is a bagatelle. Is that how you say that? Robin Axline: Yeah, I mean basically, yeah. Tita Lors: Okay, nope, say it correctly. Robin Axline: No, I mean it's that's I mean I would that's how I would probably say it, something like that. Tita Lors: No, it's okay. I won't feel embarrassed to say it correctly. It is a bagatelle. I don't know, I'm probably saying it wrong, but according to Wiki, it's often thought of as a minor, almost trivial piece of music without the musical gravity of a sonata or a concerto. So Fur Elise was written in 1810 and some speculated that he was unsatisfied with it. So he kind of like shoved it in the back of his like destroy where he's like, Well, no, right? No one needs to hear this, blah blah blah. And then later on he like picked it up again and he was trying to complete it or to fix whatever he didn't like about it, but it actually never got released during his lifetime. The original manuscript was I guess gifted to somebody and it was found at some like 40 years after Beethoven passed away. Ludwig Knoll published well found the manuscript and then published the music. Yes. Robin Axline: Hm, okay. But this was like post humanistly. Tita Lors: Yes. Mm-hmm. I'm glad you said it because I suck at saying that word. I tried last week. Robin Axline: yeah. I forgot. Tita Lors: a really hard time with that one. so then because of the title for Elise many people were like who is this Elise? Robin Axline: Mm, scandal. Tita Lors: Yes, cause no one knows. so we may never know the answer to this question, but Noel did find an inscription on the manuscript, and it said for at least April twenty-seventh, presumably eighteen ten, as memento by Ludwig Beethoven von Beethoven. And it's believed that somewhere in that inscription may or may not have been a mistranslation because there are three potential elise. Three yes. S we're gonna get there. Robin Axline: Was that a popular name or just just had a thing for Elise? Okay. Tita Lors: Okay, so first contender number one, I guess that's what first contender means. Elizabeth Roquel Rockell, I'm not sure. There's dots on top of letters. but her nickname, yeah, I'm like, well, I don't know. I probably should have looked up how to say it. her nickname is or was Elise. So First name Elizabeth, but her nickname was Elise. She was a 17-year-old friend and potential pupil of Beethoven. Yes. So in 1808, they met each other through her brother, who performed in an opera that of Beethoven's. I think it was like Fidello, if I remember correctly. I didn't write it. Yes, maybe. so they were close friends and they were flirty and their relationship is documented in some letters between the two of them and other people. So it's presumed that they have a very flirtatious relationship with one another. I don't know how old I guess we could look up how old Beethoven was in eighteen eight. Robin Axline: I wanna guess that he was like probably a lot older. Tita Lors: Me too. Let's see how problematic this was. Robin Axline: yeah. Tita Lors: Beethoven birth year. No. Seventeen seventy. Ooh, he was thirty eight. Robin Axline: I f I freaking knew it. I knew it was gonna be something ridiculous. Yep. Tita Lors: So problematic. Very, very problematic. and sh well, you know, that's when they met. Ooh. Anyways, I don't want to talk about it anymore. It's gross. Robin Axline: Maybe yeah. Let's just Maybe he was just so cute that no Tita Lors: Yeah, about that. So met through the brother, she's seventeen, ill gross. he it's speculated that he proposed to her, but then she got a part in one of Mozart's operas in eighteen ten. And so she flitted away to elsewhere, and then in eighteen thirteen she married one of Beethoven's frenemies, Johan Humel. Hamel? Humel Hummel. Robin Axline: Probably Hummel. But I don't Tita Lors: Okay. Robin Axline: know. I I don't know. That's a guess. Like the Hummel figurines. That's what made me think about. Yeah. Tita Lors: I said it right one of the times. You know? One of the times. Okay, so that's contender number one, her actual nickname. There's a connection to Elise there. And he did propose to her, so you know, potentially her. Okay, thoughts, feelings. I made a face for everyone. Robin Axline: I mean, back in the day, I guess like maybe that wasn't as like big of an issue. it's still gross, but Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: like at least this is a really gross thing I'm about to say. But I'm pretending that this is the that time period, but Tita Lors: Yes, yes. Robin Axline: when instead so gross. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: Instead of shacking up or whatever. Tita Lors: Uh-huh. Robin Axline: You like make someone an honest woman if you marry them so it wouldn't be so taboo or something. So at least Tita Lors: yes, true. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Robin Axline: he did that? Question mark? I don't know. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: I didn't even like saying any of that out of my mouth, but I'm just trying to make sense of it. Tita Lors: Ugh, I know. And I mean she was pretty close to being a spinster, seventeen years old. That's almost twenty. Robin Axline: Wow. And your prefrontal cortex is nowhere and you're nowhere to be found. Still baking. So I I don't ship them, but I Tita Lors: Nowhere to be found. Yeah, seriously. No, yeah, but you know, something sa stop your crying, it's a sign of the times. Robin Axline: Yeah, the wise old Mr. Styles. anywho, Tita Lors: yes. Robin Axline: it probab I don't know. I mean it doesn't sound like there was anything like bad that happened. I don't know. So it could be her. Tita Lors: Yeah, well let's maybe let's get to the next one. So we have the next contender, Therese Malfatti. She was an Austrian singer and performer, and ultimately the owner of the original manuscript. She was a friend and former pupil, again, of Beethoven. I didn't get her age. I imagine we're gonna be really grossed out by it. wait! I forgot to show you the picture. can I show you a picture? So this chick, that's Elise. Yeah, the first person, Elizabeth. And then this one. That's Therese. Robin Axline: my. Well, I think Therese is a lot more has a little more pizzazz. Tita Lors: Yeah. She's so she's a singer and opera singer. yes, so she would have pizzazz. blah blah blah blah blah. So he wrote the sonata number 24 for her. We're gonna listen to that one now. Okay, that's all you get. So Yeah, I feel the same way. I think I would rather have that one dedicated to me than how do I make this up? Yes, seriously. That one is just it's so somber. I don't think I could do it. so and it's it's so peppy. I'd rather have that one if I was gonna have. Yeah. So allegedly Beethoven also proposed to her back in eighteen ten and she right she either rejected him outright or she got cold feet and rescinded her yes. And then she later moved to somewhere I think. I forgot where she moved to. No, did she move? No, she didn't move. Start all over. Robin Axline: Did she move? No she didn't. Yes she did. No she didn't. Tita Lors: Anyways. What I meant to say was she later married an Austrian nobleman in 1816. So did not marry him, although he proposed. Maybe she said yes, allegedly, for Elise actually belonged to her. And if you remember, it was written in 1810. Robin Axline: I didn't hear any like bad things that happened but I wonder like what the drama was about her rescinding the engagement. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's no factual evidence. A lot of that is speculation. But if it's true Robin Axline: Yeah. And maybe also they had like artistic creative differences or something. She's like, I don't like that note in that song. Get it out of here and then Yeah, we're done. so but Tita Lors: Maybe Yeah, I'm not a fan of that one. Okay. Robin Axline: it it's kinda like funny though that she owns like a bunch of his stuff though. Tita Lors: Yeah, or that she had that at all. Especially that the original manuscript of Fur Elise. Mm. So the final contender is Elise Barenfield. Mm hmm. This one people didn't think it was her until much later on, but she was a child prodig she was a child prodigy and a friend and pupil, potentially, of Therese Malfati. it's yeah, so it's believed that maybe Malfati or Therese, asked Beethoven to write a piece that she could teach Barenfield during their piano lessons and all of that stuff. Robin Axline: Man, these are so but he didn't date her though, right? 'Cause she was a child. Tita Lors: No, she god, I hope not. That's disgusting. Robin Axline: I kinda like the last one the best, 'cause that's like nice that he would write a little song for her. and he p could have like related to her as him being a child musician. So I want to pick that one, but it's probably probably like the first one or something. Tita Lors: The most problematic one. Robin Axline: What do you think? Tita Lors: Well, before I tell you what I think, I'm gonna tell you what the people say and why this came across my desk, so to speak. so some people believe that Beethoven wrote for Elise for a pupil he had wanted to marry so that she could play it. However, and she was like a mediocre pianist at best, let's say. so however after being rejected or left for another man when he completed it, he made it more difficult so that she would never be able to play the piece all the way through. Robin Axline: Whoa, pretty much. Tita Lors: Yeah, exactly. I heard that I was listening. I can't for the life of me remember what podcast I was listening to, but they said that and I was like, He what? I know that's so mean, but also I get it, I guess. Alright, so after that bit of information, speculation, who do you think it was? Robin Axline: Case I feel like it was Elise, then Tita Lors: The first one. Robin Axline: yeah. Cause why would he do something like that? Tita Lors: Yeah, I don't know. Here's another tidbit that could be helpful. And none of this points to literally anyone. I nobody knows. But earlier I told you there was a mistranslation in the inscription. So people think that Noel had a really hard time reading Beethoven's handwriting. And perhaps where it was where it said Elise, it might have actually said Therese. Robin Axline: Wow, Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: wow. This is crazy. Tita Lors: Yeah. And because sh it was hers, she literally had it. That yeah. So a lot of people actually think that it's Terese and not Elizabeth. Yeah. And there's yeah, there's a lot of things pointing to her too. Like one, she owned it. two, it was written around the time that Beethoven would have allegedly proposed to her. And there's also that connection to the actual Elise Barenfield, that he could have written it maybe not to propose to her, but to like be helpful so that she could teach a potential pupil. So Robin Axline: Hmm. I mean that one sounds the best, but I I don't know. Tita Lors: Yeah. So that's my story. What'd you think? Robin Axline: great. I didn't know anything about like the origin stories of that. I mean, even though it seems like it's still kind of a mystery. Tita Lors: Yeah, I didn't know either. So I thought that was a really fun thing to look up and learn more about. But how about you all? What do you all think? Who do you think he wrote this for? Listeners, does anyone know? Robin Axline: Yeah. I would like to hear yeah, some other folks weigh in that aren't like art historian or music historian Tita Lors: Ha ha Robin Axline: people. Just even actually I take it back. If that's what you are listeners, then tell us too. 'Cause maybe you know something that we didn't know or cover. Tita Lors: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, that I didn't find I obviously didn't dive too too deep because every time I do that I always end up in a rabbit hole. I was like, Just tell me what I need to know. my god, I already have one that I'm thinking of. Like the whole thing between Beethoven and Mozart, like their whole rivalry. One of us has got to do it. But we'll get there. my gosh, that's so true. Robin Axline: There's a lot in the classical music world that is crazy. Tita Lors: Alright. So we're just going to call it quits there and end with a glimmer and a goodbye. What's your glimmer, Robin? Robin Axline: Okay, so this is kind of a follow-up on a glimmer that I had brought up in my birthday episode, in fact. Tita Lors: huh. Robin Axline: And I ta actually texted you about it, Lora where Tita Lors: yeah. Robin Axline: I I've got a I'm gonna do a post, but I'm so incredibly stoked that my new favorite Deli has a cat. Tita Lors: Did you ask them what the cat's Robin Axline: I am like beyond. Tita Lors: name is? Robin Axline: No, I should have asked today 'cause I got a smoothie there today, but I I was so mesmerized by the cat. I was just playing with the cat. Tita Lors: Thank Robin Axline: And the funniest part Tita Lors: you. Robin Axline: is like when I went in today, the cat was like looking at me through the door and then I think it saw Tita Lors: Uh-huh. Robin Axline: like maybe something outside. So it ran outside and started kinda like chasing something. And then it looked up at me and it tried to like race me into the store. It was so cute. Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: Like I don't they saw me like open the door and then they went in too and then I was like petting it, I was waiting and then I kinda know like a few zones that from previous cats and I got it right and he kinda like turned around and he's like this like his stomach was out I was all like Tita Lors: You found his spot. Robin Axline: Yep and then I was like scratching his stomach and he's like ha ha ha and then he got a little excited and he bit me but Tita Lors: Aww. Robin Axline: It was a playful bite. It wasn't like crazy, but yeah. Tita Lors: Like a real bite, yeah. Robin Axline: But this just put a big old cheeser smile on my face today. I just needed that. I will Tita Lors: We gotta find out his name. Robin Axline: yeah, I'll ask the guy next time, but yeah, it's a cute little it's a little kitty and I'll post pictures. I know. I took some more today. Tita Lors: Yeah. I know. The picture was so freaking cute. We will post the cat tax. Robin Axline: Cat tax. Actually, just to sweeten the deal. So I saw the that cat. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: Then I walked by another store that had a little kitty too, like a new one. This was like blocks and blocks away, and I was like, whoa, two cool cats in one day. Then I walk by somebody's window and there's a cat in the window just looking at me. So I Tita Lors: my gosh, everyone's got cats. Robin Axline: I took three cat pictures Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: that day. So that's my glimmer. What about you? Tita Lors: my goodness. I'm trying to decide which one I want to do. Do I I 'cause I have like I had one and then I changed it, but I'll do the original one. So last night it was August twelfth and there were a lot of celestial things happening. so yesterday morning, like early in the morning, there was a planet parade. So if you knew about it, you probably were able to see six different planets all lined up. two of which you did not need a telescope to see. I wouldn't know because I did not wake up at five o'clock in the morning. But allegedly that happened. And then at one o'clock, if you were in like New Zealand hemisphere, you would have seen a total eclipse. And then as you got lower, it would have been a partial eclipse. But it was solar, so if you didn't have the glasses, you wouldn't have seen it. Or it would have been painful. so there's that. That was really cool. We did not get to see it, unfortunately. 'cause the girls went to lunch with their dada and I I tried but I didn't have the special classes and I totally forgot that I actually have sunglasses, my bad. And then at night there was a meteor shower. So I I yeah, so I tried keeping the girls up pretty late. And one of the things that I did to keep them late, to keep them up late, was to do magic. Robin Axline: What magic Tita Lors: Not like real magic. but I've been meaning to like do a cleansing of the house for some time and part of me doesn't want to because there's all this like ethical stuff around like saging and whether or not you should use it and I I actually am trying to find products for cleansing that are more like based in Filipino culture, like some paguita, like a jasmine or basil leaves or like lemon sea and stuff like that. I just have it either yeah, so more stu yeah, cultural stuff and things about how it's being like my god, what's the word? Like taken over, culturally appropriated and like yes, and like not being respectful of the culture and all that stuff and I was like, Well There are things I can do for my culture. I just don't have the products and I had like a sagebush already. So I was like, okay, well, I'm not going to waste it. So we c walked around the house, we cle I cleansed them, I made them think about happy, protective, positive thoughts. And I told them like all the stuff that's like hurting their bodies and ouchies, like, you know, eczema and allergies and like all that stuff. Like just inhale the protective smoke or whatever and then just exhale all of the ouchies. so they did that and then we like went around and we told like the Bad spirits to leave. And then we have our as a joke and a way of me not always yelling at them for leaving the lights on, I call him George. And every time there's a light left open in a room I'm like, George Robin Axline: I love it. Tita Lors: So he's allowed to stay. but everyone else, like we had to open some windows so that all the bad spirits would leave and all that stuff. So we did that kind of a magic and we talked about it, and she's like, Well, why do we have to put so much smoke in the house? And blah blah blah. And I was like, you know, stuff. And then we like put a line of salt at the door and then a line of salt at the garage because salt keeps bad spirits out. and all that stuff. So yeah, just did that to keep them awake so that we could see the meteor shower. And then when it was time there was too much light pollution. Robin Axline: No after all that Tita Lors: I know. Well My little didn't make it. but my big did. And there's just there's too much light pollution and there's like we looked it up because I we were considering driving out somewhere else with less light pollution, but over ninety percent of the area that we live in was going to have cloud coverage. So I was like, even if we drove out, yeah, there was somewhere like forty minutes away that had an observatory or something that was gonna stay open until two o'clock and I was like, let's go but we weren't sure if there was gonna be like a gap. if we were gonna be able to see anything. So yeah. And sure enough, there are a lot of clouds in our area. There are like little gaps in places that we could have seen the meteor shower if there wasn't so much light pollution. Or if maybe I kept her up like just a couple more hours and it would have gotten a little bit darker. I was like, nah, I don't think it's worth it for the next morning. Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah, to be fair, that's probably just as well. Tita Lors: Yeah, so the the glimmer is that that was so fun to do that with my babes. and just yeah, the experience of that and hopefully the memory of that, even though some things didn't pan out, other things that were unexpected happened. Robin Axline: Wonderful. Yeah. Sounds great actually. Hero was Tita Lors: Thanks. Robin Axline: imagining you like going pick a card, any card, or like pulling a flow flower out of your jacket or something. I don't know. It didn't town then. Tita Lors: Being a magician. No. I'm finally actualizing my I had a like a great aunt who I don't know, great aunt, aunt, grandmother, aunt type person in my life who because I had really like darker skin when I was younger and unruly pitch black hair, her nickname for me, only nickname I've ever had in my life was Bruja. So she called me a witch. Robin Axline: Yes. Tita Lors: Yeah, so I'm actualizing, I'm self-actualizing this nickname and really becoming a true witch. Robin Axline: That yeah, embrace that shit. So Tita Lors: Alright. Well, as always, everyone, tell us your glimmers, send us your recommendations for the pettiest things you've learned that we can explore more, and send us your you know, petty slighted rejection revenge stories. I wanna hear 'cause I think they're probably gonna be really fun and interesting. and if you had fun hanging out with us, please, please, please subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Apple, Spotify, Deezer, now YouTube. subscribe, review, comment, tell us the stuff, the tea. yeah, and until next time everyone, fuck it. Robin Axline: Stay petty. Bye. Tita Lors: Bye.