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Ep. 3 - Extending Grace · 4DAFAM

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  Music.
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  To keep it 100 and do it for the fam, yeah.
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  What up, what up, what up? What's going on, man? Same old saying, can't complain.
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  Six mil, keeping it trill. This your boy KG. What's good, man?
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  What's on your mind? What you been up to?
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  Oh, man, you know, just working. Last week was hectic. Whole lot of walking,
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  which I know you're used to.
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  You know that. So, you know, but got some rest this weekend.
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  Not enough, but, you know, some is enough, I guess, especially at our age.
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  Some is better than none. That's for damn sure. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. So what you want to get into today, man? So today we want to talk about extending grace.
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  And we'll get into what we mean by that.
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  But I think most of you know when you hear that, especially from the black community,
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  what extending grace means.
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  All right. Cool. Cool. Cool. I like that. But so you want to you want to get
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  into it, like like tell us exactly what you mean by extending grace or you want
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  to talk around it first or what you want to get into it. All right.
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  Let's get into it. So I'll use a few examples, especially historically.
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  So we talk about extending grace. We talk about Dylan Roof, for example,
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  and the church shooting.
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  How during this trial, how the families of the victims showed up to court and just forgave them.
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  Now, granted, we understand that a lot of that is because these were church
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  going people who believe in, you know, forgiving. I get that.
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  I can go on and on and on with historical leaders from Nelson Mandela to John
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  Lewis to Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, who really didn't extend grace to a
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  lot of people. But I think you get the idea.
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  Well, just for a little historical context, Dylan Roof is the shooter who killed
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  the nine parishioners. parishioners at the AME Church in South Carolina some years back.
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  Yeah, just went in while they were having prayer meeting and decided to open fire. And yeah.
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  So, yeah, it's it's I'm not sure I agree from a religious standpoint,
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  from a biblical standpoint, they are correct in awarding that grace.
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  No, it says turn the other cheek. And if they slap you on the other cheek,
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  then, you know, you still extend grace. That's what Jesus taught.
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  But as a human, as a flawed individual, I'm not so sure that I could extend grace in that moment.
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  And that's something that I'm working on.
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  And, you know, that's my inner conflict. And I know you wanted to bring up Botham
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  Jean and what his brother did to Amber Geiger at the trial. Correct.
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  There's just no amount. And like you just said, you know, something you need to work on.
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  But there's just no amount of forgiveness.
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  The fact that you took my brother from me with all this nonsense story.
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  You went to the wrong floor, yada, yada, yada. And again, I don't know why it happened. Right.
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  I wasn't there. Right. But this getting up and can I give you a hug?
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  No, you absolutely cannot give me a hug. Go sit down somewhere. Facts.
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  Me personally, I probably would have been more upset at the fact that she only
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  got 10 years, which she probably ain't going to do 10 years.
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  She probably, given what year it is, she's probably up for parole.
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  If not this year, then probably next year.
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  Correct. So, yeah, I would not have been wanting to give her a hug either.
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  Again, one of my blind spots, something that I'm working on.
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  I get it. But to move this in a different direction, I mean,
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  because we could we could sit here and talk about historical events or, you know,
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  atrocities that have occurred throughout history, especially the black people
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  and go, should or shouldn't we extend grace?
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  But I'm going to get this on a more personal level because when we came up with
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  this and we still may at a different point revisit this,
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  I would like to have someone from the previous generation,
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  someone from our generation, which would be you and I, and someone from the
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  next generation to just sit down and have a discussion about.
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  How they felt about us and
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  how we feel about the next
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  generation and it it sort of ties into what
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  Kyrie was saying recently about I'm not a YN and
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  not on rock with rock YNs so I
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  would I would like to bring those groups
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  together and sort of have a have a discussion so so
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  I'm getting into all of that to say this to
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  get a little bit personal my father is
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  past god bless his soul but my
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  father was no from a
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  generation where all they knew was
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  work work work work work
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  work and and he was hard knows and it
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  was and you you know it anyone who
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  knew him knows that that's the truth but to to to get personal when i turned
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  16 and i'm not saying that i was a d1 caliber athlete i'm not saying that at all but when i turned 16.
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  I brought home my permission slip for basketball and my father told me,
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  no, I'm not signing any more permission slips.
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  Say you're 16 now. It's time to get a job.
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  Men work, boys play.
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  Those were his exact words. Again, I'm not saying that I could have been a D1
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  athlete and even past athletics.
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  Even scholastically, I kind of feel like my parents didn't really care.
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  It was just more just graduate high school.
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  That's all I really want for you is to graduate high school.
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  I don't feel like I got pushed.
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  Like I said, academically, I don't feel like I was pushed to extend my education
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  to college. It was more or less just get a job.
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  And that's what men do. And times were different.
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  Absolutely. Times were different back then. And, you know, I'm of two minds on this, right?
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  Because sometimes I catch myself daydreaming going, what would my life have been?
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  But then on the other hand, I go, man, you are exactly where God wants you to
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  be. So try not to dwell on the what ifs and just accept things for what they are.
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  And I fight with the being angry at my pops versus just accepting and extending
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  grace and and and realizing as I get older that.
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  That's just how he was. That's the way that he was raised.
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  That's what he knew. And I can't be angry at him for being true to who he was.
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  If he didn't know, he didn't know.
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  I mean, he couldn't. He wasn't a sports guy, so he can't fathom the opportunities
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  that these guys are getting now because of sports. It was just a concept that was foreign to him.
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  So so so I guess the the part that I try in and sit with the the the part that
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  gives me joy, the part that gives me comfort.
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  While I did not always agree with his
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  methods I understand pops taught
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  me how to be a man and I understand and I thank him for that so with with all
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  of the disagreements I may have had over the years and and felt like yeah you
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  could have did this you could did that differently In the end,
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  I get it. I understand.
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  And that's where it's the extending grace comes into that.
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  And we all make mistakes and we all just do what we know how to do.
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  You know what I'm saying? Do some people have ill intent?
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  Of course. I'm not naive.
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  But when it when it comes to parenting, a lot of the times they were just doing
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  the best that they could.
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  They were doing what they knew and their generation was, you take your ass to
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  work, you take care of your family. And that was that.
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  So, so to me, to, to, to not get too personal, but yeah, that's,
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  that's, that's sort of, uh.
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  Where my mind is on this extending grace conversation is, is sometimes we have
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  to accept the flaws of the previous generation.
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  And at the same time even though we
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  try and instill values
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  into the next generation and we try and show
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  them hey young buck that ain't the way to go which
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  is why i would like to talk to someone from the previous generation to see how
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  they felt about us it's like i was young once i get it i get it you you you
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  looking at me and you going man you don't know what you're talking about yeah
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  but i do i I may not know your day to day situation,
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  but from afar, I can tell you.
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  You're on the wrong path, player. I think one of the biggest things for that
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  generation, you know, my father include, mother and father included,
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  as you said, work, work, work.
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  Back in those days, you went to work. The company took care of you. They looked out for you.
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  You know, not to get personal, but there were there were a couple of times I
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  know he probably slapped me upside my head.
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  But there were times where I saw a bank slip or two and think to yourself.
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  Oh, that's how much your check is. Right.
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  And then I think about what my checks have been over the years. Right.
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  While they have been great, mediocre and below average.
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  Right. In my adult life at some point. Right.
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  I feel like some of the receipts that I that I've seen from deposits don't even compare.
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  Right. To what our parents were. Right. Were making. Right. I could always remember
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  everybody that I was around. You know, pops had all his homies around.
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  So I could always remember whenever one of them pulled out a wallet,
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  there was always five or six hundred dollar bills, 10 to 20, 20 dollar bill.
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  Which is silly because like, why you don't got that money in the bank?
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  Well, back then, though, you know, nobody was carrying around debit cards because
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  remember, we got our first bank account.
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  Mine was was an ATM card. That's a good point. That's all I had. That's a good point.
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  Because my pop's wallet used to be fat as hell, too. And I'd be like,
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  bro, why is your wallet so fat?
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  Rubber band around it. All of that. But that's a good point. You're right.
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  No debit card. So my bad. Go ahead.
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  But going back to what you said about, you know, doing the best they could.
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  I'm going back to just 12, 13 hours ago. I had this conversation with one of
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  the kids about. Now, I tell them all the time, I'm not going to tell you anything
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  that I don't feel is going to benefit you.
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  Right. I would never put you in a position where, man, pops just gave me a bunch
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  of nonsense and just running his mouth and just talking. So...
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  I know they don't understand it now because the things that we've gone through
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  and that we've seen, they haven't seen it yet, especially two of my four kids.
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  Like, you know, two of them are almost 30 now. Right.
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  The other two are 20 and 21. So they're going through some different things
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  that that the two older ones not because, I mean, they're fathers.
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  So they're going to have more experience. Sure. In certain things.
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  And get a different perspective. Absolutely.
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  I extend grace to my children because they're my children.
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  Right. But I say often, man, if y'all was just some people on the streets,
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  I'd just be like, you know what?
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  Just wipe my hands like they do at the casinos. Like, all right, I'm out.
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  Right. Like, I'm not going to tell you nothing else. Right. But at the same
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  time, last thing I want to see is any of my children fail.
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  For sure. And fall on their face. For sure. Now, well, let me rephrase that.
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  You're going to fall on your face, but I'll never walk away and not help you back up. Right. Right.
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  I'll never do that. Right. So in certain instances, we need to extend grace.
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  But I will tell you, at this age, if you are not a part of my everyday life,
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  if the things that you bring to the table are not things that I need in my everyday
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  life, I'm not extending grace at all.
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  I just don't care. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I will sleep my
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  eight hours and not think twice about you.
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  You're talking about an acquaintance, a co-worker, someone that you're not particularly close to? Yes and no.
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  So yes, with the co-worker and the acquaintance.
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  As far as family goes, if you don't want to rock with me every day,
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  I won't rock with you every day. But you're my family.
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  If you call and you need me, I'll be there for you. I'll answer.
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  But I will not lose any sleep because you mad at me.
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  You or whatever you mad about can kick rocks. I don't care.
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  I'll see you at Thanksgiving, at Christmas, wherever. I'll give you a hug.
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  I'll be happy to see you. I'll be glad that you're healthy.
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  But there's no way I'm going to reach out to you to try to understand why you're mad at me.
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  Because I'm about to sound arrogant
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  as hell right now. I know I didn't do nothing to make you mad. Okay.
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  Because I don't have any beef with anybody. Right. Right. Right.
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  No problems. No nothing. Right.
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  Right. And I think the issue...
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  Is, and this is just my personal experience, whether the advice is solicited
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  or not, if I'm giving you advice, it's not because I'm trying to control you.
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  It's not because I'm trying to stop you from having fun.
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  I'm giving you advice out of concern. I'm giving you advice from a place of
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  love and experience and experience i just if i know that you're about to run
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  into a dead end i'm just trying to tell you hey man don't make that right turn it's a dead end,
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  it's not that i'm trying to drive your car not that
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  i'm trying to tell you i'm i'm just trying to hey you had
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  it for trouble that's all it's all out of love it's never personal at least
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  not the way that you perceive it to be personal right it's personal for me because
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  i feel like i'm trying to help you out and it's all from love it ain't personal
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  like i'm dissing you it's just hey,
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  let me let me let me piggyback off of that yeah that's something else too it's
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  it's and of course i'm generalizing the younger generation when you bring something
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  to their attention even if they're If you're talking to him the way I'm talking right now, say, hey,
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  don't do this. Don't do that. You should probably try this.
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  It seems like it's all taken personal. Always. Instantly.
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  Instantly. It's taken personal. And I'm speaking from experience as a father. Yes.
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  I have to look at, you know. What did I say? Like, well, what did I say?
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  Yeah. But do you really want to go here with me?
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  You're about 30 seconds away from this being a different conversation.
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  Right, right. But it's just like, no, man, I'm just bringing something to your
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  attention and then we can just move on. Right.
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  But if you want to keep pushing back, pushing back, pushing back,
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  I'm not going to just stop because I'm your father.
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  So I'm going to now I'm not going to get on your nerve or do my best not to get on your nerves.
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  You get on my nerves. But if I'm trying to stop you from doing something stupid.
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  You're going to listen. Hopefully. You'll listen. Right.
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  But I tell them all the time. I was like, boy, open up your notes on your phone
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  and put this date in there.
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  Because one day you're going to call me and be like, you know what?
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  She was right. Now, granted, I understand you and I had the same issues.
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  We fell on our face a bunch of times. For sure. For sure. Oh,
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  man. Lord knows I've done some dumb stuff in my life. For sure.
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  We all have. It's a part of growing up.
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  So, but I'll be real with you. A lot of the stuff I see going on with some of
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  these kids, man, I don't remember doing.
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  Maybe I was just too scared to do it. But, yeah, it's tricky.
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  It's tricky both ways. And, you
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  know, like I said, it's just a matter of extending grace both ways, right?
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  Me extending grace to you as an elder and you accepting the fact that what I'm
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  saying to you is impersonal. Don't take it as a personal slight. Right.
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  Don't take it as a diss. I'm not dissing you.
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  I'm just trying to show you as an elder the error of your ways.
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  And is is is one of those things that always bothered me is to hear people say, I did it by myself.
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  I made it on my own. No, you didn't.
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  Somewhere along the line, somebody helped you. And not only did somebody help
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  you, but you listened to somebody.
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  Nobody does it on their own. Don't ever think that you're don't be that arrogant
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  to think you don't need anyone.
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  And don't be that naive to think that you didn't get advice,
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  whether it's from your parent, your uncle, your brother, someone or random stranger.
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  Somebody told you something that you listened to.
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  So why not just listen to the person who got your best interests at heart?
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  That's my thing. It's like if I'm telling you something because I'm not a generally
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  shady person, I'm not malicious.
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  So if I'm telling you something, I'm telling you out of pure love and I'm telling you out of concern.
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  I'm trying to help you the best way that I know how I can't be Cliff Huxtable.
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  Cliff Huxable ain't real. I can't be that TV dad.
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  I can only be the best dad, the best uncle, the best brother.
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  Hell, even the best friend that I know how to be.
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  If I come off abrasive, then we can talk about it.
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  You could have said that a different way. All right.
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  Let's talk about that. That's the way I am.
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  I'll try and work on it. Let me know my blind spots. I don't know what's there
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  unless somebody tell me this was a blind spot.
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  You could have said that a different way. All right, then I'll try and rephrase it better next time.
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  But it's those conversations that we need to have instead of just I'm done with
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  so and so, which is another concept that's just foreign as hell to me.
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  Because that's things that we would never say about a family member or an elder
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  back in the day is I'm done with man. You get your head knocked off. I'm done with so and so.
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  You know, I mean, like we were always taught ain't nobody going to support you like family in the end.
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  Even when you got disagreements, ain't nobody going to support you like family.
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  So you got it? You got anything else you want to add to that topic, brother?
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  No, man, you covered that perfectly. All right, cool, cool, cool.
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  Let's talk about some current events, man. Anything currently you want to talk about?
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  No, I'm going to let you go on that one. All right.
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  And I know you're aware because you follow these things way more closely than I do.
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  So I know you're aware of Gil getting arrested for gambling.
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  I want to be clear when I say this. I want to be crystal clear when I say this.
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  I am not debating, discussing or arguing for or against his innocence or guilt.
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  I don't know any of the details about his arrest, except for it was about gambling.
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  That'll be discussed in court. Holler at me after court. When all the details
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  come out, I can give you a different opinion.
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  My thing about Gil getting arrested is this.
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  What is FanDuel? What is a casino?
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  Isn't gambling legal? I mean, you got poker tournaments on ESPN.
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  Isn't gambling legal? Well, it's legal when you got sponsors,
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  when you got people behind you.
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  But for me, with him, it was him and another gentleman that were arrested.
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  I can't remember the other guy's name.
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  But it was for, I mean, let's just keep it real, for doing something that you and I have seen before.
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  We've been in those houses. For sure.
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  Throwing the dice off the wall. For sure. High stakes poker games at his mansion.
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  So you're telling me that nobody else is having high stakes poker game.
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  Right. I'll bring a scene from the wire.
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  Remember when Glenn Thurman was running behind, running for mayor,
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  rerunning for mayor? Call another car again.
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  What'd they do? All the biggest politicians and the who's who's were there losing
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  money to a man rerunning for politics. So you're telling me stuff like that is okay.
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  But Gil, bringing people to his home to play poker is enough to get you arrested.
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  And keep in mind, this didn't happen yesterday. This happened in 2023.
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  This wasn't something that just happened. This happened two years ago.
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  So, look, I get it. You don't want anybody to have high-stakes poker games.
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  I don't know how much money was involved. Maybe it was millions.
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  Maybe he had roulette tables in there, the whole shebang. I don't know.
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  But it seems crazy to me to arrest somebody in the day of FanDuel and DraftKings.
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  And with DraftKings sponsoring pretty much every single sports podcast I listen
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  to is sponsored by DraftKings.
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  Hell, watching TNT during the season. Chuck gives his picks for FanDuel. Right.
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  Right. It's on the radios every morning. And so I guess my my my question,
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  my my beef with this whole thing is, why is the law conditional?
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  And I'm not asking that to get an answer. It's rhetorical. Why is the law conditional?
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  You know, and and I'm about to go down some twists and turns here. So stay with me.
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  During Prohibition, alcohol was illegal.
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  As soon as Al Capone and them got arrested, what do they do?
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  They turn around and make alcohol legal.
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  Everyone's aware now that in some states, weed is legal.
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  So does Illigato... Okay, let me just stop there.
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  Are things only legal when the government can get their cut?
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  Feels like that sometimes. Yeah, it does. Right. So as long as the government
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  gets their cut, it's cool.
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  But when the government doesn't get their cut, now it's illegal.
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  Even with Vic. And I know the animal rights people are be up in arms about me
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  saying this, but Vic went to jail.
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  They say gambling, but really it was about him killing the dogs.
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  But yet if I pay my honey license fee, I can go kill as many animals as I want
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  to. And nobody will say anything about it.
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  So as long as the government get their share, it's legal. It's not about the act.
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  Quote unquote, it's about paying your dues, basically.
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  It's having the audacity to go against.
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  So, I mean, think about how many videos. Well, I know you're not on social media
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  that much, but there's so many videos out there of there's a hashtag fishing
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  while black sitting at a local pond or a lake. Here comes somebody.
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  And then when the police get called, you know, most of the time the police are cool with cool about it.
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  Like, you know, but show us your hunting license or your fishing license.
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  If you don't have a fishing license, they turn it into this this huge deal.
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  So you're telling me that paying you forty five dollars means that I know more
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  about fishing. Thank you.
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  Than that. No, it just tells me that you just want $45. The gatekeepers.
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  Right. Anybody can come here and fix. Anytime they feel like now granted,
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  I know a lot of people listening to this and saying, come on,
• 26:48
  man. You got to, you know, there's dudes to everything.
• 26:50
  I get that. Right. Not arguing that.
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  But, come on. It's silly.
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  From a bird's eye view, wait, I'm getting arrested for something that's legal?
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  Oh, wait, but it's not legal? Wait. Well, which is it? Is it legal? Or is it illegal?
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  I don't understand. Because of a piece of paper. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's just it's it's it's so crazy to me.
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  And and even with to take this in a different direction really quickly and then
• 27:19
  I'm going to get back on point. Even with like states' rights,
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  we're the United States of America.
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  Why do some states operate different from other states when it comes to the law?
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  Shouldn't we all just be under one federal law, which is supposed to be passed by Congress?
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  Why does the governor get to determine, yeah, I don't want that in my state?
• 27:45
  Then are we really the United States or are we operating sort of as each state
• 27:50
  is its own sovereign country to a certain extent?
• 27:54
  One of the things that's always gotten me is when some of these states say,
• 27:57
  well, I don't want that money. Yeah.
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  Or they take it. And I won't say the state, give the governor the name,
• 28:03
  none of this. But when that federal money was taken away from.
• 28:08
  It was taken from the federal government and redistributed to the police department
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  when it was supposed to go toward a bunch of different programs.
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  What did they do? They bought an armored vehicle.
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  Something they probably have never used. Right. In a town of two and a half,
• 28:25
  what? 2,500 people. Mm-hmm.
• 28:28
  Well, we'll buy that. But God forbid some kids get free food during the summertime for breakfast.
• 28:36
  Yeah. Yeah, it's just one of those things.
• 28:41
  And again, say what you want about Gil, because this is not about Gilbert Arenas in the end.
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  And I've listened to his podcast. I don't think Gil is a dumb guy.
• 28:54
  I actually think he's quite intelligent.
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  Whether you agree or disagree with his views is not the point.
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  I don't think he's a dumb brother.
• 29:03
  So again this is just like what are we really doing here like like the gatekeepers
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  you just got to pay your tax you got to pay your you got to pay your fee and
• 29:13
  then you can operate with.
• 29:17
  Immunity but even then if i pay the fee and i'm not doing it the way you want
• 29:21
  me to do it that's a problem that you're right you're right bro you're right
• 29:26
  you're right they're coming You're right.
• 29:28
  So so I guess I'm saying all of that to say we really,
• 29:33
  really need to think about it when we start assessing guilt and innocence is
• 29:40
  like, is it is it really just as simple as a stroke of a pen as to who's innocent and who is guilty?
• 29:48
  Something to think about something to think about anything else you want to talk about bro,
• 29:54
  now it's time for everyone's favorite
• 29:59
  favorite segment called
• 30:04
  rort i know it's gonna
• 30:06
  take a minute to get used to i'm working on it but for now that's what it is
• 30:11
  a rant about a random topic And I'm going to rant about something that's really
• 30:17
  weird This is just one of my quirks Y'all don't judge me for it But I work outdoors.
• 30:26
  So I'm always like looking at squirrels.
• 30:32
  And I think to myself, what in the hell does a squirrel do all day?
• 30:38
  I know this is silly, but it's just like, OK, you go search for some food.
• 30:45
  You dig your hole, you bury it. And then what do you do for the rest of the day?
• 30:50
  It's just like, is that your whole life? Is you just on a constant search for
• 30:54
  food? So these are just some of the silly things that I've been thinking about
• 30:58
  when I be at work and, you know, not paying attention to my actual job.
• 31:07
  But, yeah, I just like what what what does a squirrel do all day besides just
• 31:12
  look for food and and what a simple life to have?
• 31:17
  I i i guess that's the part that
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  i really like pays attention to
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  or or or or or caught my
• 31:27
  attention was what a simple life you know and i'm not saying i want to be a
• 31:32
  squirrel no no no no no no no no no no no not saying that at all just saying
• 31:37
  what stress does a squirrel other than trying to cross the damn street i'm about
• 31:42
  to say yeah yeah other other than that what stress does a squirrel actually have.
• 31:46
  Making you slam on the brakes four times.
• 31:49
  Is he going left and right like somebody shooting at him? Oh,
• 31:54
  man. Scatterbrains, man.
• 31:57
  Scatterbrain and jitterbug. You just be like, dude, I'm not chasing you. What are you doing?
• 32:03
  So on top of that one, I got another one. All right.
• 32:08
  So back in 2017, there was a satirical conspiracy started that birds were not real.
• 32:15
  Oh, my God. I remember that. I think you even put me on the deck. Yeah.
• 32:19
  So it was meant to be just funny. Mm hmm.
• 32:22
  And the guy who started it did it because of a lot of the pro-Trump things going on. Mm hmm.
• 32:28
  And he did it to to be funny.
• 32:31
  OK. And do you know in 2025, there are people who actually believe that birds
• 32:37
  are drones processed in mass quantity by the United States government to spy on its citizens,
• 32:45
  even though they lay eggs, even though they reproduce drones?
• 32:50
  I saw a comment once, I think it was on Reddit, where a dude's rebuttal to pigeons
• 32:58
  having babies was, have you ever seen a baby pigeon?
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  I just logged off. I closed the app and just went on about my business.
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  Birds are drones and robots.
• 33:12
  Oh, so.
• 33:16
  So. Somebody. Birds have been around my entire life.
• 33:22
  I'm sure before. I mean, there are some people who argue that birds are dinosaurs.
• 33:28
  So who created the technology that infused robotics with organics to the point
• 33:38
  where they can reproduce and lay eggs and eat?
• 33:43
  And I mean, you know, bird shit. We all had it on our cars.
• 33:49
  Who produced that technology that you
• 33:52
  got a technical organism with
• 33:56
  an organic organism so i'm not making this up this is gonna sound stupid but
• 34:02
  this is to piggyback off what you just said so the movement believes that when
• 34:06
  birds defecate on your car that that's a tracking method and that all birds
• 34:11
  were actually exterminated between 1959 and 1971 he won.
• 34:20
  Yes, sir. If it flies, it spies.
• 34:24
  Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 34:30
  Hold up. Hold up. So bird poo got microscopic trackers.
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  So are they dropping it at random or are they picking people?
• 34:44
  What makes the bird? Because now you're you're assessing some type of or you're
• 34:49
  assigning some type of intelligence.
• 34:50
  Intelligence to the bird so you
• 34:55
  mean to tell me someone is going hey put a
• 34:58
  tracker on that car right there now keep
• 35:02
  in mind this was all started as a joke as a joke there's websites now there's
• 35:09
  merchandise there have been billboards erected throughout the midwest where
• 35:13
  we are now i have now i've never seen one where we are but there have been billboards
• 35:18
  erected in different areas around the Midwest.
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  Birds aren't real. Well, what does it mean when they get in my dryer shoe?
• 35:27
  Dude, am I like... You being tracked, dog. Yeah, am I high up on somebody's list?
• 35:32
  I mean, like, the government wants me? Shit, for what?
• 35:38
  I'm about to say, you ain't gonna get nothing from me. Right.
• 35:42
  Trust me, I'm not the dude.
• 35:43
  You can follow me all you want to. I go to work, I come home.
• 35:46
  I'm pretty boring. And you ain't gonna follow me far because if I come out in
• 35:49
  the morning, And this bird shit on the truck.
• 35:51
  I go straight to the car wash. Right. Wash it off. Yeah.
• 35:55
  So you ain't tracking me too far. Yeah. And the car wash what?
• 35:58
  Two blocks from the house.
• 36:04
  I don't even know what to say about that. I really don't. Other than. Yeah. It's silly.
• 36:14
  We're adding a new segment this week called Five on the Black Hand Side,
• 36:19
  where we're going to review a black movie.
• 36:24
  And we classified black as a predominantly black cast, black writers, black actors.
• 36:34
  That may change as we go forward, but that's sort of how we're classifying it
• 36:38
  for now. And the movie we chose to review this week is the classic.
• 36:45
  And I don't want to say black classic because that diminishes it.
• 36:49
  The classic Cooley High starring Glenn Terman, Garrett Morris,
• 36:57
  who you guys may remember as Stan for Martin and Lawrence Hilton Jacobs.
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  So, my brother, you want to give us a little brief synopsis about Cooley High?
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  So Cooley High was was based in the 1960s in Chicago.
• 37:16
  Cooley High Vocational School, which is now closed, was the school that they went to.
• 37:22
  It's about two teenage boys. Women are everything to them.
• 37:27
  And consequences are somewhat of a rumor. They don't know anything about consequences.
• 37:31
  They just pretty much run in the streets.
• 37:33
  Preach is a poet. Mm-hmm. No money. Mm-hmm. Thinks he's deep.
• 37:38
  And Cochise is the star athlete just trying to make it out. Mm-hmm.
• 37:42
  Ended up getting caught up in some mess. They cut class, went to house parties.
• 37:48
  One of the funniest scenes, stealing the teacher's car, getting in the stolen
• 37:52
  car, trying to finesse their way through life, all while dodging the cops,
• 37:58
  shady friends like Damon.
• 38:00
  Mm-hmm. Well, I guess he was their friend in the beginning. Yeah, at one point. Yeah.
• 38:06
  It starts off as kind of like a buddy comedy. Yeah.
• 38:11
  And ends up, you know, as it did all of us as kids, punching you in the stomach.
• 38:16
  For sure. Seeing something like that happen.
• 38:18
  Because you know as well as I do, back in those days.
• 38:22
  Someone passed, which you and I both have lost friends at very young age. Yes.
• 38:27
  It was hard to deal with because you're invincible at that age. Yeah.
• 38:31
  So to see that movie and to see how sad it was, it was hard. For sure. It was funny.
• 38:38
  It was heartbreaking. And as I just said, it's way too relatable.
• 38:44
  Very. Because for you and I, we grew up. I mean, I don't know the exact distance, but I mean,
• 38:49
  you and I grew up not less than 20 miles from where this movie was
• 38:52
  filmed right so for us everything that they were doing in some way shape or
• 38:57
  form we did all of the same stuff sure sure sure absolutely and you know one
• 39:03
  of the things that get overlooked is what a great soundtrack this movie has I mean a lot of Motown.
• 39:13
  Classics are on the Cooley High soundtrack but you know when I when I when I
• 39:19
  think about Cooley High I mean, first of all,
• 39:22
  love the movie, but I in my mind, I do this comparison to movies like Grease
• 39:30
  and The Outsiders and American Graffiti.
• 39:36
  And I look at those movies as a stark contrast to the black teenage experience
• 39:45
  versus the white teenage experience.
• 39:48
  Even movies like Sparkle, right? I mean, because they were just kids. They were teenagers.
• 39:53
  You look at the, gosh, drama that the black teens were going through compared to the white teens.
• 40:07
  The white teens didn't have anything to care about. What kind of car am I going to drive?
• 40:12
  The black kids. A whole different set of worries, a whole different ball of
• 40:18
  wax as it relates to stress in their everyday life.
• 40:22
  And it's indicative of the two Americas.
• 40:26
  When when when people talk about the two Americas, I think those teenage movies
• 40:30
  back in the day illustrate perfectly the two Americas.
• 40:34
  Because this is what the black inner city youth was dealing with versus the
• 40:40
  white youth who their worries were a whole lot different.
• 40:45
  So when I think of Cooley High and I think of those older movies like that,
• 40:49
  I like to think of just the contrast. And this is a slice of American life.
• 40:57
  When you when you when you look at it from and not not a not a diss on Greece.
• 41:02
  I mean, it's one of the few musicals that I can't tolerate. I hate musicals.
• 41:08
  Outsiders is a good movie, but you look at what they were going through and
• 41:12
  the Outsiders is kind of violent. You know, they have some stuff to deal with.
• 41:16
  But when you when you look at what they were going to compare it to what the
• 41:19
  black inner city youth were going through at that time.
• 41:23
  Like I said, it's just indicative of the two Americas that we grew up in and
• 41:28
  and probably still relatable today. Absolutely.
• 41:33
  And obviously the movie was as heartbreaking as it was.
• 41:37
  It gave us some of the funniest scenes, like Preach claiming to be a vegetarian
• 41:42
  while holding a hot dog, taking Brenda to the zoo like he was taking her to
• 41:49
  some upscale five-star restaurant.
• 41:51
  Wait, don't forget about Pooter at the zoo. Oh, yeah.
• 41:57
  Messing with the eight. At that gorilla? Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:01
  Yeah. Classic scene. the scene in the restaurant with Martha Stone and Robert
• 42:09
  was trying to get him Martha just this one time Martha Martha please Martha.
• 42:19
  Man yeah hey to bring this back full circle spoiler alert for those who haven't seen it,
• 42:30
  if Preach had extended grace to Cochise.
• 42:37
  Perhaps Cochise wouldn't die in the end.
• 42:40
  Just a thought. Just a thought. You know what I'm saying? Perhaps he would have
• 42:44
  been there to help his boy out.
• 42:46
  Yep. He wouldn't have been by himself. He wouldn't have been by himself.
• 42:50
  Three on two way better than three on one. That's right. That's right.
• 42:54
  At least you got a fighting chance. Absolutely.
• 42:56
  Man, man, man, man. So let's go ahead and break this thing.
• 43:03
  I mean, I guess I kind of gave my feelings away at the beginning when I called
• 43:07
  it a classic, but I'm in the same boat. It's a classic to me.
• 43:11
  I mean, I can't speak for you, but I know you've probably seen it more than a dozen times.
• 43:16
  Oh, for sure. I know I've seen it probably 13, 14 times just as a kid,
• 43:22
  just watching it over and over again, having it on VHS.
• 43:25
  And then I think it would come on it would come on all the time on regular TV,
• 43:32
  at least once or twice a year.
• 43:34
  Yeah, absolutely. It would be the ABC Saturday Night movie. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:40
  Just a whole different time when we were growing up, man. What happened to all of that kind of stuff?
• 43:45
  It just ain't the same no more. It ain't the same. So anyway,
• 43:49
  I give Kuliha two high fives.
• 43:54
  I'm right there with you. Sounds good. All right.
• 44:01
  We're also going to add another segment to the podcast, and we're just going
• 44:07
  to have like some closing thoughts, a closing monologue.
• 44:12
  So, brother, if you want to take it away.
• 44:15
  Appreciate it. So I want to speak about something going on on the other side of the world.
• 44:19
  It's not what you guys may think that you see in the news every day and what
• 44:23
  a lot of us are disgusted by.
• 44:25
  This is something going on in a different part of the world, a little bit south.
• 44:30
  So in the Sudan, currently there is a genocide unfolding.
• 44:35
  Over 10,000 people from the Masalat and other non-Arab communities have been slaughtered by the RSF.
• 44:42
  RSF is a paramilitary force with ties to the Janjaweed militias of the past.
• 44:48
  If you're not familiar with the Janjaweed, please go and look up the documentary,
• 44:52
  The Devil Came on Horseback.
• 44:54
  It will tell you anything that you need to know about them.
• 44:57
  Families are being wiped out, women and children targeted, and famine is being used as a weapon.
• 45:02
  This isn't history. It's happening right now. The world must stop looking away.
• 45:08
  Silence is complicity and lives are hanging in the balance.
• 45:13
  All right. You know, it's I'm going to add a little bit to this. That was great.
• 45:20
  Always when it comes to foreign policy and when I say we, America,
• 45:24
  American media, we always focus on all of the atrocities going on elsewhere in the world.
• 45:32
  And we never, ever give just due to the atrocities that take place all across the continent.
• 45:41
  I mean, any day of the week, you can damn near look up some type of genocide, some type of warlord,
• 45:49
  some type of civil war that's going on in Africa, and they never get the attention that they deserve.
• 45:57
  And this is not to say that it's a continent full of savages.
• 46:01
  I rebuke that because every continent, every country has disputes.
• 46:07
  So this isn't to say that but
• 46:10
  yes thank you brother for bringing some attention to this
• 46:14
  issue thank you i appreciate that
• 46:17
  so much so uh anything else uh you want to want to add for today no i think
• 46:24
  that's it i think we pretty much covered everything we wanted to cover today
• 46:28
  all right cool cool cool it's good good rapping with you brother it's sir very
• 46:34
  good conversation I believe we had today.
• 46:37
  We want to take this time to thank everyone for listening and hanging out with us. Please tune in.
• 46:45
  We got some interesting topics coming up going forward.
• 46:50
  We got some interesting topics going forward where we're going to get into some
• 46:55
  vaccine discussions. We're going to get into some discussions about how do we assign value.
• 47:02
  And we're going to eventually get into a topic of is Hollywood still racist
• 47:06
  so again just some things to look out for.
• 47:11
  We uh thank you guys always for your time got anything there brother nah you
• 47:17
  covered it all like I said we appreciate it all right cool cool cool well this
• 47:22
  is six meal keeping it true it's your boy KG all right well I'll let y'all next time peace.