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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of It Takes You Away · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with the blunt, penknife a doctor who
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  commentary podcast and it's me Dylan.
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  I'm here again with Joe, who can't be bothered to do is
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  intros anymore. I'll tell you very lazy today.
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  It is a facts differently, though.
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  I've just made an appearance on fantastic podcast called Doctor
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  Who too hot for TV. Oh really any good any good
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  whatsoever? Bat goes into all of the
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  minutiae of 90s Doctor Who What 90s Doctor Who I hear?
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  You ask a lot of dimensions in time in the TV movie, all the
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  fabulous spin offeree. You know, you never guess what?
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  The host made me watch. What did he make it host of us.
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  What did the host make you a story?
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  Was it something exciting like a bit as a gracious or maybe
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  search at science starring Sylvester McCoy other schools
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  program better than all of those put together?
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  It was could it possibly be Bill bags is probe When to die.
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  Remember the time I got a bone to pick with you, I'll ask you
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  on my podcast to talk about is takes you away a faggot and I
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  literally bought you in to talk about the dregs of Doctor Who
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  spin-off Ferrari, but you will come back and do something that
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  you are actually love and want to talk about it.
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  But you and Mark are the only people stupid enough to say yes
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  to that. Boy, we laughs, I'm doing, but
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  obviously the nature of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, who
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  knows? Which one of these will come out
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  first. They might be out on the same
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  day, but all they might be six months apart, so we'll never
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  know. So, that's either just out or
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  coming out soon or was out six months ago.
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  You talked about this commentary on that one.
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  We didn't know. We'll have to go back and record
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  something to throw in. Well, look, I've just dropped
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  what we're here to talk about today.
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  It takes your choice and they Technically, the penultimate
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  episode of series, 11 of dogs, you know, you and I talked about
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  demons in the Punjab earlier earlier this year.
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  Was that last year? It was, it was early this year.
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  I think it wasn't so long ago, was it and had a marvelous time
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  talking about that. And I did ask you in that will
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  sort of your opinion, Jodie Whittaker on this season.
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  Was the show sort of turning a corner for you at this point
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  because I know you had a bit of not, not like an issue, still
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  enjoying it. But you have some reservations.
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  Yeah, exactly. So I enjoyed the first run of
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  Jody episodes but I wasn't Blown Away by them have since gone
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  back to them and learn to love them and enjoy them a different
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  way, but it takes you away was very much like our this is the
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  new take on Doctor Who I wanted. I wanted Christian ought to come
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  in and do something I hadn't really seen before and arguably.
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  Actually done that with things like Demons of the Punjab.
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  And Rosa, I just hadn't quite refocused in on his vision of
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  Doctor Who, but it takes you away.
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  I think remains a unique contribution to the doctor who
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  can. And I can't think of a story
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  that's anywhere in any era of Doctor Who that's remotely
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  similar. And I think it's fantastic for a
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  show, that's 57 years old, at the point of this is broadcast,
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  probably even young that maybe 55, whatever, but it's still
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  traveling new ground and doing a new Tori and I just, I was blown
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  away by it and you know what you said there about, it being
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  unique, it's also completely continuity free.
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  Yeah, as far as I can, remember at the only concern that comes
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  in is from this season, which is, yeah, right.
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  But, like, the sexually narratively visually.
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  I think it's, I don't think there's another Doctor Who story
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  like this. I know there aren't many Doctor
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  Who stories you can say that about.
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  Yeah, exactly. And it's I think, In years to
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  come people really start to when they as the really as people
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  reassess this season. And this error, I think they saw
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  suddenly they shoot up the polls this like I think I'll become a
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  bit of an all-time classic. I wonder if awesome 55 didn't
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  damage. Ed hyams reputation a little bit
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  because people just seem to talk about that when it comes to
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  read. However, yeah the vitriol
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  towards the episode which I remember sitting there going.
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  Well that was quite fun idroid those Yay fun.
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  Isn't it a bit too? Is energetic.
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  I'll sign it said I sat there and I thought, oh, that was a
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  lot of fun. Great sort of felt like an 80s
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  Doctor Who but done that like, okay, the old woman wasn't most
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  fantastic actress. But there are many Doctor Who
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  stories out there that don't have a the somebody, let in the
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  cast and, including some Classics, and the monsters look
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  great. And I just, and okay, the speech
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  at the end was a bit on the nose but not, Too much.
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  And then I will add online and I was like, oh my God, this
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  episode appears to have committed a war crime, something
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  like that. I found the one person you know
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  people Amber and yeah, story to death own.
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  I didn't get a word in, he breathlessly spoke for two hours
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  about while from 55 was his favorite new series episode.
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  It's amazing. And I think and it goes to show
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  every episode has their fans. And I just bloody, I love that
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  episode of Quite a lot and I'm glad that he really loves it.
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  Where's Mark Dylan Dylan? Yeah.
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  Okay so for once I've actually written those when episode
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  because I think there's a lot to discuss here I'm going to read a
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  little something out and I want you to tell me if I'm completely
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  off the boil it. Yeah well I think in Those of a
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  story that evolves in a very short space of time, this covers
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  a lot of ground and I'll probably forget to mention any
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  of this while we're watching the thing.
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  So, as far as I can see, this starts off as like a beautifully
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  filmed suspenseful horror movie, that's what it feels like at the
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  beginning. Yeah.
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  Then it becomes like a weird Creature Feature.
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  When you go into the endzone yeah then it steps into like
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  conceptual Science Fiction with a hole.
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  Thing of the solid tracks and the two universities then is the
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  like a heartbreaking character drama as Like A Treatise on
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  Grief. And then finally, it becomes
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  this massive endorsement of the doctors, exploration of the
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  universe, like, sort of suggesting that there are always
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  new thing and that's in 50 minutes.
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  I know, you're absolutely right. It kind of nails all these
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  different themes and ideas and Concepts and I think it It's
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  them all fantastically and that's what they are jarring,
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  differences between the three. You know, that sort of Nordic
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  horror. Yeah.
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  Tapping into things. Like, I'm thinking of things,
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  like, sort of Wrong Turn those sort of leafy wet horror movies,
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  you have out on location. Yeah.
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  And then there's sort of the whole middle bit with ribbons.
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  That's like a 1980s Creature Feature, maybe like Hellraiser
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  or or either or something like that or it's got white.
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  It's like Pan's Labyrinth and things like that.
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  It's all weavin Labyrinth and if it was a labyrinth in the title
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  and then I feel like it goes into sort of weird Sapphire and
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  seal store space where everything's kind of still and
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  quiet. And then it's doing that
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  wonderful sort of knew who thing of tugging at your heart strings
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  as well. It's just, it's just, it's just
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  it's Unique. I would love to see more from Ed
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  Hime. I think I know as we said often.
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  Five gets solid derided in this gets a bit overlooked that, I
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  think he's a fresh voice in the Doctor Who world that is much
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  needed. And I would love to see him come
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  back and do an episode or two in his recent interview in a
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  convention. Chris chibnall do they like an
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  audio interview for Radio free skaro did?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I did was fantastic drops. That hiring was supposed to
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  write an episode for the third season.
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  Yeah, I think the neighbors hell was as well.
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  Yeah, he was here. Really sad because that's too
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  great names. I wonder whether those scripts
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  exist or whether it's just outlines but it would love to
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  see when the we die of a bit more into this series of sort of
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  vermin archive point of view. I hope that we get to find that
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  the could have been because this even from quite a lot of the new
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  series very little ever leaks out about the what they were
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  going to do. Or yeah.
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  That's what that last one that was so unique because he was
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  talking about the behind the scenes.
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  He says that him Knifehead were bashing out his script for
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  serious 13, like the just the bare bones of it and he went to
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  the Loo and he got a message about like this is the pandemic
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  is really serious. This is happening.
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  We can all be stuck at home and they went back into the room and
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  said to find. This is going to make it to the
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  screen. I'm really sorry.
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  Yeah. It's I mean the could have been
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  to the doctor who was just as fascinating as the of what we
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  actually get but I think there's always that thing.
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  Of all it, you know, for years. People thought the original
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  season 20 was at 22 or 23 season 23 would have been bad because
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  it had all these nostalgic elements.
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  And then when you finally start to hear the audio adaptations of
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  those scripture like, oh, actually maybe try all the time
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  or was a better safer option. You leave mission to Magnus and
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  the ultimate Evil alone audio for the out, be evil.
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  I didn't get through it. I did about 20 minutes of it and
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  I was like, this isn't for me, it takes Not for me to abandon
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  sorry. Interminable.
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  What a last question in to ask you before we go in, you said to
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  me in demons in the Punjab that you fought Doctor Who had been
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  sort of tailored to the Sunday night Slaughter.
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  So the pace with a little slower, it looked beautiful at
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  the production value had gone up.
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  Just think this is a really good example of that.
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  This episode I do and it's weirdly in a nostalgic.
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  Kwai it reminds me of Sunday evenings as a kid with like
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  Narnia and five children in it and things like that.
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  It's it's not the same thing, it's but it's sort of
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  thematically that kind of else world.
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  The Fantasy Realm that you want as a kid before.
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  You know, you've got to go to bed and then go to school the
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  next day and I hope that in 10 15 years time, I'm listening to
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  some podcast by someone who was seven years old when this came
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  out and they're taught. They talk about what?
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  Imprinted left on their on their childhoods because I think it is
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  prime Sunday, teatime fantasy. I am determined to because I'll
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  find this. Whenever I do a Jodie, Whittaker
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  story, there's always a conversation about well why
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  don't people like this era, you know, rather than just a
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  celebration of the episode itself.
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  So I'm going to go to or going to say this is offering the tide
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  of might be turning a little bit already because that doomsday
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  trailer. Dropped and regardless of what
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  my opinion is. I think they're doing a good
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  thing, multimedia, appealing to kids all of this but you know
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  the vitriolic reaction against that people are start going.
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  Remember the good old days of it.
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  Takes you away, you know, you know, the Doctor Who show the
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  Australian podcast that I've been on there and they've got on
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  my podcast and they're, they're lovely guys.
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  But the Jodie Whittaker really didn't work for them as a whole,
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  they just didn't enjoy it. Not They're not in any way sort
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  of vitriolic or horrible about anything.
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  It just doesn't work for them, which is fair enough.
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  The rear is adopted was meant for me, they did what they
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  called, the ultimate Jodie, Whittaker cold, take the other
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  day where they just pick 5 episode each random and went
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  back to them and it's an interesting hearing them discuss
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  them now. And going to now it's not the
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  most important bit of Doctor Who ever because it's on, you know,
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  it's the latest bit of Doctor Who and just how they sort of,
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  even the ones that they were old colder on before.
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  Like so actually, they found a lot more.
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  To enjoy and Dave on their even says like he goes I think this
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  era of Doctor Who is going to age very very well I agree yeah
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  which five I'm so intrigued. Oh I can't remember but it was
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  it was a good mix that but from the first to the first three
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  suit first to, I can't remember but that it was a good mix.
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  They did 58. So 10 in total and it's well
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  worth a listen. Especially if there's anybody
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  out there who doesn't particularly like that era, or
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  didn't like it the first time around like hearing those guys
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  sort of Not completely change their opinions, they still have
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  certain issues but it's just a really good lesson of like, are
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  going back to something for you thought you didn't like, which
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  doctor who pass Doctor, Who fans?
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  We do all the time. For me, it's a bit.
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  Like, I always felt the Peter Davison era.
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  A lot of people were quite cold on that when it first happened
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  but now retrospectively people love it or a lot of younger fans
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  talking about my trial of a Time Lord, when that came out on
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  Blu-ray and just the love it got.
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  So I just I think You will dis, this will only get better in the
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  estimation of fans not not worse and we already loved it.
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  So where exactly is your position there?
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  Yeah, so so, say right, well, I haven't heard it out yet but I
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  would follow you anywhere Dylan race or I'm topic, I'm going to
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  head over there and listen to that one.
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  She want what episode I did? One about Dennis Spooner, the
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  work of Dennis Spooner. I love.
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  Spooning right up there. I'll tell you where I'm going to
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  follow you now to Norway. We are fantastic or probably
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  wails. I think it is a big green
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  screen. Well tunnel the same.
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  Okay, well, you want to count as in, I will keratin in 321 play.
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  I will press the wrong box. Well, mine's gone.
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  Wrong as well. Did they work?
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  Am I on? I mean, I mean, the type are
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  you, are you? Are we
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  now start with a slight criticism?
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  I do miss the opening. Like the, the opening sequences,
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  like I know, chipmunk doesn't do them all the time.
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  I do prefer a pre credits little sting me too.
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  Yeah. But that's a minor criticism
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  for. What's this a fantastic story
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  that you know I'd rather open with that or more and more than
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  the titles and music the theme tune Remain.
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  The biggest misfire from for the new series for me, they're just
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  terrible now. We're missing Jody eating some
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  soil here. And this is a prime example of
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  when people go off. She's not very doctor.
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  It's like The matching Sylvester Mccoy, David Tennant, Tom Baker,
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  doing this scene and acting, it just as well.
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  It's such a doctor. Anything, to do to be able to
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  tell all about where they are from.
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  Putting a bit of soil, in their mouth.
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  I'm perfectly convinced. Now, you tell me if I'm wrong, I
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  think this is one of the best new series episodes for the
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  doctor whether that's either a woman and which I think Ed.
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  Hi, I'm absolutely knows how to characterize Jodie Whittaker.
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  In this and in orphan 55 he's one of the few writers.
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  The other ones, who wrote, dear, TT, and the lady of the Angels
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  or can't remember the name, but Abby's fantastic as well.
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  Like so people just get a bang on.
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  She not only not only she in soil here but immediately she
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  said she's got a detective hat on when she goes towards the
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  cottage and she's like, look taking in all the details.
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  She's like innocently Humane with Hannah in a minute, she's
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  on the hunt for the monster straight away.
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  I mean, this is that's five minutes, it's a very proactive
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  doctor story. It's the sort of thing that
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  people criticize the Christopher Eccleston story for the doctor,
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  not playing such a proactive part in the stories.
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  And I wonder how much people would feel differently.
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  If it was Christopher Eccleston in the role, what I will say is,
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  I prefer Jody to Christopher Eccleston was the doctor.
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  I think my second favorite, you know, Jody of all the doctors
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  are of the new series of the new series one's mine, too.
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  I'm working out. The classics are I think I love
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  them all too. So who's your number one tenant?
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  And that's just because I think it's, because I was riding that
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  wave with him and I recognize that he is not the strongest
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  actor of all of the new series doctors.
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  But just had whatever it is. He had it stilled, they return.
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  Yeah, - Peter Capaldi. It goes compelled and even
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  Whitaker, I think. And I can see why.
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  What a wise want me to called is probably the best actor to have
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  ever played. The dogs are absolutely?
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  Who's the worst actor to her play the doctor?
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  That's, that's a horrible question and I'm probably going
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  to say Arabella we're in the know it's it's I think is
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  probably an I mean in terms of acting now I think it's probably
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  Sylvester McCoy now. It's Lynch.
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  I think you're yeah, he's Limited in range, but, you know,
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  if I was looking at someone's work out, Side of Doctor Who the
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  worst actor to play Doctor, Who would be?
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  It would probably be Tom Baker, but he's just perfect for Doctor
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  Who, but he is some point during Doctor Who he forgets, how to
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  act, but I did, I went on to play Sherlock Holmes and I did
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  it as Doctor Who I went on to do Shakespeare, as Doctor Who
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  people getting very annoyed with me on the stage?
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  Can I just point out Graham and his Jesus.
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  Oh but I also wonder have this been the first episode.
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  I don't wouldn't have been but it had this been the first
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  episode of a series whether people would have suddenly gone.
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  Oh I really love this. New version of Doctor Who I know
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  you wouldn't have had the whole interview or the second episode.
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  Maybe if it had jumped from woman who fell to Earth to this,
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  whether people that are K, I get this new take on Doctor Who I'm.
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  Therefore, if I also had a said, this to you before, I also think
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  what a better better finale. The Run score of Carlos.
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  So I watch this after you said that in Davis and Punjab comment
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  rate and asking is bang-on. I think sort of.
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  It gives the doctor massive hero moment at the end.
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  Yeah, but then it has lots of emotional payoff for the
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  regulars as well. Yeah, because you get gray and
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  being called, Granddad by Ryan. You get to we re meet Grace and
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  it is, it's a it's a thematic finale.
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  Rather than like a story finale, you know, it's all went to the
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  character. There's three lines of the
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  characters that would make it this a great finale, but instead
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  they're getting and you do entice me, because now the
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  thought of this of of it being woman who fell to work, it takes
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  you away Rosa. That would be a one-two-three
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  punch right in the season. Yeah, but it's not it's the way
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  it is. And, you know, I've been brave
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  enough to do it yet. Why I think we should do it one
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  day. I'm not as down on it as other
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  people, it is deeply flawed, but I do think it's got as positive
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  so maybe once we've done flux, we can jump back into that.
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  Okay? My Jodie Whittaker
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  Consciousness, it's wonderful. I love to hear you.
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  Do you always keep me on my toes?
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  You're the only one that's references more obscure than me.
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  It's what I'm here for you as well as well as all the types of
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  changes in genre and tone and how the episode Looks I really
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  like as well. There's a lot of relationships
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  in play in this one. Yeah, you've got that really
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  quite troubling. But interesting relationship
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  between Hannah and her dad's, yeah.
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  Now come in for a bit of criticism, I think not.
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  This is a classic example of Doctor Who fans, not watching
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  any other television, because how many other television shows
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  are there? Where people have been terrible
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  parents or have done things? Stupid things in the Name of
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  grief and we praised it as high drama and you know what, not
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  all. Dads are great dads.
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  Imperfect people and I know people with two dads are a
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  complete fucking assholes and any like look, so because she
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  calls him out at the end, she says Dad, you're not well, yeah,
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  he's grieving for his wife and he's made some terrible
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  decisions. He is mentally.
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  He has mental health problems. And that's a big, an interesting
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  subject to take like otherwise. The other side of it is you've
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  got night terrors and it's Just some guy who really needs to
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  love his, his adopted alien sun, or whatever it is, it's like
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  imperfect characters are a better representation of the
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  world than, you know, a lot of characters in.
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  I don't know if the caretaker or something like that.
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  I think a lot of people just jump on this as being an
• 22:23
  abandonment story but I think that's what the letter for here.
• 22:27
  Is that he can't? He can't be her dad because he's
• 22:32
  trapped animal, and he's there. And it's that whole thing about
• 22:35
  If you could be with the person you love that you lost.
• 22:38
  Would you make that choice? Yeah, you probably would?
• 22:41
  Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's a really
• 22:44
  interesting says it's some very interesting things about grief
• 22:47
  and it takes, you know, Bryant know Brian.
• 22:51
  Graham goes into that, that alternative reality.
• 22:54
  And he sees the person, he loves the most there and it's like,
• 22:58
  yeah, you would, you would fight for that and it's only because
• 23:01
  of the influence of the Doctor Who is the very sort of impetus
• 23:03
  of the whole thing he goes. Actually, no, it's not that
• 23:06
  person. You don't like, this is not what
• 23:08
  you want. You can't live in your own with
• 23:10
  the globe. Depressed, fantasy for the rest
• 23:12
  of your life. And he's doing it again and eat
• 23:15
  blood and Bradley. Walsh are said this, in demons,
• 23:18
  in the Punjab, stealing them. He's gone on about, you know,
• 23:21
  having a lark and gone on about we and things like this.
• 23:24
  And then right at the end, he breaks your fucking heart.
• 23:26
  It's videos to show and the bit where he goes, oh, no, don't do
• 23:30
  this to me when he realizes who it is.
• 23:34
  He's, he's brilliant. Like they're all of the fam are
• 23:38
  brilliant, but like he is, he is the one that as you say, you
• 23:43
  turns like that and he's breaking your heart again, and
• 23:47
  he does lovely boats and as well, when toasting calls and
• 23:49
  Granddad. He'll IR K.
• 23:51
  Where we've landed there, that's another relationship in play
• 23:54
  here. And there's brilliant payoff for
• 23:56
  that. At the end of the episode, which
• 23:58
  ties into the season, my favorite relationship, and we'll
• 24:01
  get there later on. It's The doctor and the other
• 24:05
  Universe. Oh, amazing.
• 24:07
  I think today is one of my favorite ever.
• 24:10
  Doctor has no more so because it, irritates them back out of
• 24:15
  so many people. Yeah, that I love the production
• 24:18
  design of this cabin as well with its triangles and obviously
• 24:22
  and circles. And it's like it's just clever
• 24:25
  sort of design that makes you a go, the something off here but
• 24:29
  also go we're in a different country.
• 24:31
  It's a different architecture. Even if we are in a forest in
• 24:34
  South Wales somewhere it's just they can't think of another
• 24:39
  Doctor Who story that does architecture in that way in the
• 24:43
  21st century everybody else and just have aren't so Cabin in the
• 24:46
  Woods. It looks like a cabin or trying
• 24:48
  to make it look real but not the sort of you know, your living
• 24:52
  room or your you know. Yeah.
• 24:54
  Not like the living rooms in the probe went to die that we've
• 24:58
  just watched The Dreadful drapes across the door.
• 25:03
  Yeah, that's sofas. But this topic idea as well,
• 25:07
  we're leaving in sort of c.s. Lewis here, aren't we?
• 25:10
  All yes. Stepping into another world by
• 25:12
  going through the mirror or wardrobe.
• 25:16
  Yeah, and it's such a fantastic fascinating idea and you can
• 25:18
  imagine a kids like eight years old just like playing this with
• 25:22
  their their mates, that there you go, through the mirror and
• 25:25
  then you're in this weird, the never wear of play elsewhere of
• 25:29
  places. It's just a phenomenal idea.
• 25:32
  And what I love about this, there's a mystery and you don't
• 25:36
  know where this mystery is going.
• 25:37
  You're the first time you're watching it, you're sat there on
• 25:39
  the edge of your seat going. Are you start to think?
• 25:41
  Oh there's a monster in the woods whatever.
• 25:43
  But it's not, it's a darker. Are more twisty turny story than
• 25:48
  I think anybody was expecting. I genuinely think it's like the
• 25:51
  Zenith of Doctor Who story telling them what the show can
• 25:54
  do in terms of unpredictability? Yeah, I remember as I watch this
• 25:59
  as it went out, I was like, you know, for once I have a clue
• 26:02
  where this is going to wait and it's so it's so easily could
• 26:08
  have ended even with all those twists and turns and then we
• 26:10
  will come to the Frog later, but there's always that temptation
• 26:13
  to put a ship monster there or It's doubtful rocks, or
• 26:16
  something like that, or it's the alone Cyberman or something like
• 26:19
  that, but they go for something so much more original and
• 26:25
  stupid, and Brilliant, and fantastic and silly.
• 26:28
  It's all those things. The doctor who can be like as
• 26:31
  you say the tonal shifts and from like abject horror to sort
• 26:35
  of like something ridiculous, is he Doctor Who?
• 26:40
  And I feel like now what we step into the interzone we're sort of
• 26:42
  stepping into 80s who now the sort of Yeah, video nasty,
• 26:46
  horrors of 80s who you know, not too far away from.
• 26:50
  I mean, a world away in execution from sort of those
• 26:54
  weird traps and corridors Avengers anvar.
• 26:56
  Also you know, mist and darkness and nasty things lurking around
• 27:01
  every corner. Absolutely.
• 27:03
  I mean it's a phenomenal. It's a phenomenal sort of shift
• 27:07
  in tone that you get but at there's somehow it doesn't feel
• 27:10
  jarring and then you get ribbons.
• 27:13
  Who is Ghoulish to look at. Oh my God yes of fabulously
• 27:19
  funny performance. Yeah from Kevin Alton obviously
• 27:23
  trivia. Where's Kevin Eldon appeared in
• 27:25
  the Doctor Who Universe before sit probe time to die?
• 27:29
  No it's not. He's a he's a companion, you
• 27:34
  know, Kevin Alton, he plays Aunt in Amman timoney, in death,
• 27:39
  comes to time who is the perfect companion that the doctor is
• 27:42
  designed as a sort of robot to travel with him.
• 27:44
  This is So our content, we come to your podcast for Dylan.
• 27:50
  Well, I'll just kind of says hi, but I think he's perfect in
• 27:55
  this. Oh, he's absolutely brilliant.
• 27:58
  I like it gives a fantastic performance.
• 28:00
  I want to see those deleted scenes with the other.
• 28:01
  They cast the tallest man in Britain.
• 28:03
  To play this weird. Sort of the pictures I've taken
• 28:06
  of it. Look, absolutely astonishing.
• 28:08
  So I don't know why they didn't take time.
• 28:11
  Maybe I'm it must be time. They must have shot too much
• 28:13
  material because it doesn't feel like there's Subplot that's
• 28:16
  missing like you all like you know like in Legend of the sea
• 28:19
  Devils where you like, oh someone's cut 10, 15 minutes out
• 28:22
  of this. Quite obviously, it doesn't feel
• 28:25
  like this is missing anything so it's I'm sure it was timing
• 28:29
  given a cover so much, ground is quite sad.
• 28:31
  A is not particularly fast paced this.
• 28:35
  I don't feel like anything's rushed, no, but I guess in the
• 28:38
  edit that it was more about, we want to build the tension,
• 28:41
  rather than cramming, loads of ideas, and an additional
• 28:43
  character in. Didn't the art design here, it's
• 28:48
  fantastic. It is amazingly good.
• 28:51
  And I feel like, you know, in the mafia era we have that sort
• 28:54
  of weird, dark Source, I'm sci-fi environment.
• 28:59
  And we've totally pushed away from that in series 11 and we've
• 29:02
  gone for bit more sort of traditional settings and sort of
• 29:06
  beautiful imagery. And this is a nice reminder of
• 29:08
  that but just done it new house style.
• 29:11
  Yeah, but it gained its that the choice of the color Purple such
• 29:16
  a simple one but it just gives it this otherworldly different
• 29:22
  look to anything that was done in the Moffett era.
• 29:25
  Like the let what other stories do you associate with purple.
• 29:29
  I think it's probably the sontaran stratagem, which isn't
• 29:31
  sure isn't the best directed version of Doctor Who, or even a
• 29:35
  buddy. It's competent.
• 29:37
  But it's it's a poppy version of purple.
• 29:40
  Whereas this is like, Oh no, you're in a dark, you're at you,
• 29:43
  in an alien environment. Nice.
• 29:45
  Purples and yellows and us on tax and they don't work
• 29:48
  together. It's weird.
• 29:49
  This is yeah. You know what?
• 29:52
  Oh, he does remind me of Freddy Krueger.
• 29:53
  Look at his face. It's not sort of horrible
• 29:56
  scarred face. It's true.
• 29:58
  And this is also, it's a competent show because you can't
• 30:01
  imagine in 2005 Russell T, Davies putting in a character
• 30:04
  like this because it's too gruesome like it's a gruesome
• 30:08
  terrifying thing that may be worried about going too far but
• 30:12
  it works perfectly on your Sunday night version of this.
• 30:15
  Just an incidental character, but is Unforgettable, Joe
• 30:19
  Wallace. And I love is when it goes
• 30:21
  below, ribbons to miss to find missing Daddy that way.
• 30:26
  So, fractured speech that I like from seal, I like the way he
• 30:30
  talks about the tubular a lot deliver, allow please, you're
• 30:36
  not the first person to say that to know about, I'm not be the
• 30:39
  last, but I do love the fact that he's obsessed with the
• 30:44
  sonic screwdriver. His greed to go and get it is
• 30:47
  what polishes in here. Well, but I love this weird that
• 30:51
  the interzone at this world that he's just always been there and
• 30:55
  doesn't really know anything different and there is part I
• 30:59
  think by losing the other character.
• 31:01
  And again, we don't know what the storyline most, it's even
• 31:05
  weirder that is he there alone? Is he part of a community.
• 31:07
  How many people pass through here?
• 31:09
  Is to see live here and then everybody else that was just
• 31:12
  random strangers as the appears. There's a whole Doctor Who
• 31:15
  Justin the into Zone, let alone literally just going to say,
• 31:18
  well, I think there's a doctor who hold on to have sewed for
• 31:20
  every setting we get yeah, yeah, it is all meshed into this one.
• 31:26
  Episode is another thing that makes this so unique about the
• 31:29
  moths are their terrifying. It's so scary on that flash mobs
• 31:34
  that just yeah brilliant idea it's doing weirdly to give it
• 31:38
  like a classic series comparison.
• 31:41
  It's doing what Bob Baker and Dave Martin always do which is
• 31:44
  their story Stories always have sort of three quite different
• 31:47
  locations, because it's a way of moving the dragon armor on and
• 31:50
  keeping the story, exciting over six weeks or whatever or four
• 31:54
  weeks. But here, they're doing it all
• 31:55
  in 50 minutes. Now, we've got more
• 31:57
  successfully, we've got money to put it on the screen, you know.
• 32:01
  Exactly and Doctor Who is a challenging show to make, but
• 32:05
  this iteration of Doctor Who is not from what I understand is
• 32:10
  not a hugely expensive version of Doctor Who or indeed
• 32:14
  television. Pat to say something like, even
• 32:16
  his dark materials I believe that around this time in the
• 32:22
  Moffett area, you're looking at about 3 million an episode.
• 32:25
  And obviously sometimes they take that money and spent two
• 32:27
  million on one and four million on another.
• 32:29
  That's not a lot of money to make television, and I know it
• 32:32
  sounds like a lot, but when you imagine, there's probably 100
• 32:36
  120 people working on this thing.
• 32:38
  And you're paying all their wages, you're paying the rent on
• 32:40
  the studio, you've got to pay someone to design the sets that
• 32:43
  it's like or all of this cost money.
• 32:45
  Oh so it doesn't get you very far.
• 32:47
  It'll be interesting to see now the budget gone up to whatever
• 32:50
  it has how much extra value.you. How much more do you see on
• 32:55
  screen? It's worth mentioning that an
• 32:58
  entire McCoy season back in the 80s, had a million pounds per.
• 33:03
  So the fact that they achieve what they did in the McCoy
• 33:08
  videotape exactly. Is inside a balloon, he's old in
• 33:12
  that layer. Leaning into it here for ya.
• 33:17
  All these horror influences, absolutely, and it's imagery and
• 33:21
  things that kids can play with as well.
• 33:23
  Like every kid can have a balloon that they carry around
• 33:26
  and pretend to be ribbons. Look at those flesh mosfet
• 33:29
  terrifying and a bit where the whole swarm comes after it out
• 33:33
  and smoke and just in the name, it tells you exactly what they
• 33:37
  are. You don't need some big
• 33:38
  explanation. People often talk about this
• 33:42
  errors, you know, not being very good to be.
• 33:45
  In terms of like explanations and things like that but they /
• 33:49
  / sort of talk everything. But here it's it's very measured
• 33:53
  and it's very just sort of it's a flash mob.
• 33:55
  That's our we know exactly what that does.
• 33:57
  Now you should be afraid of it. I mean I'm guessing.
• 33:59
  Yeah, we're doing so much. Is that?
• 34:01
  We ain't got time to hang around talk about it too much.
• 34:03
  In fact, I think the only seen the doesn't work in this as well
• 34:06
  as it could do is wear. Poor Jodie.
• 34:08
  Whittaker is stuck with a ton of exposition about what solid
• 34:12
  tract is and she does get it across really well.
• 34:14
  She's kind of Today at this point B have big clunky all that
• 34:18
  explanation. It also throws in with the solid
• 34:21
  tracks. You've got a load of Time Lord
• 34:22
  mythology there in a way that's you.
• 34:25
  You just necessarily wouldn't necessarily people always say
• 34:28
  that this era of some sort of continuity life, but it isn't
• 34:32
  like there are bits there. It's just not the pride
• 34:34
  O'Neill's of Gallifrey did this, which, you know, we'll get to
• 34:36
  that next season obviously. But yeah, I think I was in.
• 34:40
  Sarah goes along continuity. I is not something you can
• 34:43
  accuse it off. I mean, That era that puts the
• 34:46
  word sheboygan's back on Main Street.
• 34:48
  In we've just missed a little reveal of like the speaker's,
• 35:00
  things like that. Again, I did not know.
• 35:02
  At that point, I did not expect it to be a bunch of speakers.
• 35:05
  You like, what is, what is going on here?
• 35:08
  It's just and that balloon floating above them.
• 35:10
  Now just looks fantastic. It's a like if he's try and
• 35:15
  think about Out the logic of this World, perhaps it might
• 35:18
  fall apart a little bit, but I don't think this the nature of
• 35:21
  the story and the nature of what it is means.
• 35:24
  You don't want to think about, but the world too much because
• 35:28
  it's a fantasy with the atmosphere.
• 35:31
  Yeah, is such an effective atmosphere.
• 35:33
  You know, I like my ex-husband and I had a absolute terrifying
• 35:37
  fear of moths and if it got it, one flew in the room, he
• 35:41
  peripatetic over there. No screaming his head off, like
• 35:44
  a big girl. I kind of get it now.
• 35:47
  Yeah. And it's great because he's done
• 35:53
  big bugs for years. It has, you know, and also quite
• 35:57
  sort of cute fluffy things, but they really give him an edge
• 35:59
  here, but Jodi's running through the corridors and they're just,
• 36:04
  they're all fluffy and be like, I'm now we know that y Toby,
• 36:09
  hey, don't was so gutted about the moths eating this Doctor Who
• 36:11
  scarf because they were coming for his flesh.
• 36:13
  Next right. It's right.
• 36:15
  One thing I forgot to mention was, what is the most?
• 36:17
  Dr. Ish thing that she could possibly do when they find that
• 36:21
  Paul. She sticks.
• 36:22
  Her head right through it straight.
• 36:24
  Yeah, that's right. What's on the other side?
• 36:26
  It's a bit like a redness in the UK to remember when he said,
• 36:28
  there's a big spider down, my old.
• 36:30
  She goes right. Let's go.
• 36:31
  It's you strap it down. She's a very proactive doctor.
• 36:35
  And I think, people forget that and it's her sense of it's a 13
• 36:41
  Adventure. In a slightly naive way, but not
• 36:44
  nice. Ieave - it's not under -
• 36:46
  naivety, she's just like goes into everything with such Gusto
• 36:50
  and excitement. And I think the mafia Tiara was
• 36:55
  certainly the capacity era which I'm very fond of, but it was
• 36:57
  missing that it was all, it was quite a totally depressing era
• 37:03
  in a way in terms of who the doctor was and the doctors
• 37:06
  Journey. Now I think parts that worked
• 37:08
  and parts that didn't and obviously you get into him with
• 37:12
  Bill later on where it is a bit more like this.
• 37:14
  But this is So refreshingly like an exciting Adventure Show.
• 37:19
  Again, I the climax of this story and the word I wrote down
• 37:24
  was optimistic. It's just so optimistic for the
• 37:27
  future and its celebrating, the best of Life.
• 37:31
  Yeah, and I think some people look at that and go, oh, how
• 37:33
  cold know we should be doing a bit more of that, you know, at
• 37:37
  the same time, we've just seen a flash mob crawl out of the eye
• 37:41
  socket of the Dead ribbons. It's like horrible.
• 37:44
  It's Defying, like I keep saying this again and again but I
• 37:48
  cannot believe how confident this episode of Doctor Who is in
• 37:52
  terms of what it can get away with and what it's trying to
• 37:55
  achieve. Its it's beautiful and it's a
• 37:57
  bottle episode, essentially it's three sets and made well it's
• 38:03
  two sets, really? Because it's the house used in
• 38:06
  both universes. And then the the space in
• 38:08
  between like we get at a completely different visual
• 38:12
  palette. Now, when we go into the solid
• 38:14
  track universe, And it's the same sets and locations, but
• 38:18
  everything sort of oversaturated and and much better lit.
• 38:22
  Not basically it's sorry brighter.
• 38:25
  So it's just that ethereal Netherworld but also to suggest
• 38:30
  like almost hope and happiness. Hmm, I also think there's a
• 38:35
  version of this story where it's, the, almost the other way
• 38:38
  around where you start in the happier universe and then go to
• 38:41
  the the sadder place like the would have been an interesting
• 38:44
  sort of Every there but, uh, I do that, couldn't you?
• 38:47
  Yeah, yeah, I sort of flip flops the Barrio, but which would have
• 38:52
  been quite interesting, but this one actually looks so young
• 39:01
  here, doesn't she? She's a very beautiful woman as
• 39:05
  well. I think people, especially when
• 39:07
  they're slacking off. They forget that but there's
• 39:09
  something, she's beautiful, but there's something slightly
• 39:12
  otherworldly, but yet really approachable about it, This is
• 39:15
  what I find. I can't believe how lucky we
• 39:19
  were to get a doctor, that sort of f of x and so full of Hope
• 39:24
  and so beautiful. During one of the darkest times,
• 39:27
  I can remember the pandemic. Absolutely.
• 39:29
  Like imagine like season 8 Capaldi.
• 39:55
  Some Doctor Who fans think that actually Chris chibnall just did
• 39:58
  the pandemic. So we would have these caused it
• 40:00
  so we could have less Doctor Who in our lives.
• 40:03
  Wow. Some that may not be mad.
• 40:11
  She's such a fantastic. She's only every scene here.
• 40:15
  Like the issue. You've got no doubts that this
• 40:18
  is the most important person in the room, but she just with, she
• 40:22
  wants to help. I forgot to mention about when
• 40:26
  she means ribbons, and I she's instantly sort of negotiate with
• 40:29
  him, you know? Yeah, that nobody else really
• 40:31
  knows what housing behave around him because it's him, but she's
• 40:35
  very confident. They're also doing something
• 40:38
  that this area is really good. At there is no reason for it to
• 40:41
  be. That to Norway at all.
• 40:42
  But it's just, this is a series set in all of time and space.
• 40:46
  Let's just not be in Wales or London, and it's even just
• 40:52
  having the fan based at Sheffield and things like that.
• 40:54
  It's like, there is a know, obviously if we want to really
• 40:58
  think about it, they were maybe perhaps the issues, the Doctor
• 41:01
  Who predominantly happens on Earth.
• 41:02
  But that's because the nature of the show and where it's been
• 41:05
  made, but just going to different parts of the UK in
• 41:08
  different parts of the world rather than it being Nor wails
• 41:12
  really sells the scale of Storytelling you can endure and
• 41:16
  whither they like sometimes they go overseas and into South
• 41:20
  Africa, places like that, and I can absolutely say.
• 41:22
  But even in things like spiteful, where I think some of
• 41:25
  it or practice, Alias where. Yeah, however, is on location.
• 41:29
  Others is just very well done sets and things like that.
• 41:32
  Yeah, he really does make it International that Global feel.
• 41:37
  It's, and you we talked about it on Demons of the Punjab as well.
• 41:41
  Not just setting something in that time.
• 41:43
  It's sort of groundbreaking for the show and for me, I know you
• 41:46
  said you had a few issues with kablam, but this has been a
• 41:52
  straight. What I remember when these were
• 41:54
  coming out, one after another Punjab kablam, which finders it
• 41:58
  takes you away our side by this series is just getting better
• 42:02
  and better. I couldn't understand what sort
• 42:04
  of so I'm gonna wait and I just think, you know, it's gone from
• 42:11
  A few weeks ago or a year ago, you had two masters and the
• 42:16
  Tenth Planet Side of any sort of thing.
• 42:17
  And then the first doctor it's like I can see why people who
• 42:21
  want that version of Doctor Who she had a lot with this version.
• 42:26
  But weirdly then when we threw in chibnall throws in all the
• 42:29
  continuity, they derided again for not being original.
• 42:33
  You can't win because this is something that I do every now.
• 42:36
  And again, they throw Ryan in with a female character, it
• 42:39
  happens with the Who roams in fact, say S Plus 55.
• 42:44
  He has that sort of almost romance with the terrorists.
• 42:47
  I'll take that works really well.
• 42:48
  It gets to be a bit charming and, you know, do so much just
• 42:53
  do it. Yeah, again, I do think
• 42:58
  everybody's got enough to do in this.
• 43:00
  Like one of the complaints of the era that I think is sort of
• 43:03
  Justified, is that there's a lot to do, there's not always enough
• 43:05
  for all four characters to do but I think they've even just by
• 43:09
  leaving Ryan behind a little It he's discovering the mystery,
• 43:13
  the other end and looking after her.
• 43:15
  And they are all given enough to do Yaz, is slightly lightly
• 43:19
  used, but then I just think her and Jody together.
• 43:22
  I just, I just think kind of bubble and I'm while I'm not
• 43:25
  exactly picking up sound some in fives here.
• 43:30
  They do start by the end of the season, they do start to rumble
• 43:32
  under a little bit, I think. Yeah.
• 43:34
  I think people do forget, you know, people meet friends and
• 43:37
  then things develop, you know, yeah absolutely especially in.
• 43:41
  Tense situations like that. And also I don't think it's
• 43:46
  explicitly said that whether yet as is straight or gay or bi or
• 43:51
  whatever but there's there's also perhaps this is a little
• 43:54
  bit of her coming to terms with their own sexuality are in my
• 43:58
  sort of headcanon. She's a straight woman who's met
• 44:01
  this amazing woman and just gone.
• 44:03
  Oh my God, I love her apartment by the end of it.
• 44:05
  Rather than this being some big sort of.
• 44:07
  I am a lesbian, it's more where you can fall to.
• 44:10
  I think it's Is it just more about the way some people think
• 44:14
  and just a very binary way, isn't a very good way?
• 44:17
  I, absolutely, I know something like that who is considered
• 44:20
  himself heterosexual but had a relationship with a woman that
• 44:24
  they fell in love with. Yeah, this is themselves
• 44:26
  heterosexual or go home. Yes.
• 44:29
  Because it has ourselves. Yeah.
• 44:30
  It's for sexual about had a relationship with a woman
• 44:32
  because they just fell in love. It was a woman.
• 44:34
  Sorry. Yeah.
• 44:38
  Society becomes more open. And we talked about Trauma team
• 44:41
  or me, realize that things aren't.
• 44:43
  So binary that you but I have, I know a few people who have had,
• 44:48
  like, one off Affairs or relationships with the same
• 44:52
  gender, because it just felt right for them at the time and
• 44:55
  they largely considered themselves hetrosexual, I can
• 44:58
  pass their relationship. All over the same Jody.
• 45:01
  Tap me up. All right, you're gorgeous.
• 45:05
  And it's Jody the woman for you, then it's probably not what I
• 45:09
  think. Our personalities clicked.
• 45:17
  We had a chemistry and if there was ever going to be a time, it
• 45:20
  was going to be so I'm not tired.
• 45:23
  I'm not somewhere on the scale. I'm just sort of it more that
• 45:26
  way. Yeah.
• 45:28
  Anyway enough of my sexuality but did you notice how that
• 45:31
  scene was shot? I'm gonna go where G is talking
• 45:34
  to Grace and you can see all their breath as their tool.
• 45:36
  Yeah. Yeah, it's just got that sense
• 45:38
  of. So I'm reality about, I really
• 45:39
  love it. Such a Jody, working it all out
• 45:45
  in under Moffat. This would have been like a big
• 45:47
  Sherlock, a moment, but it's not played like Sherlock.
• 45:50
  It's it's more just she's having this internal sort of conflict.
• 45:54
  I love seeing the doctor work something out, but it not being
• 45:58
  like, I'm cleverer than all of you.
• 46:00
  All that information is there, so you can just go like that.
• 46:03
  It's, it takes a good good writer to make the doctor seen
• 46:08
  this, relatable. And that clever, but also, Can
• 46:10
  you think of anything sort of more Doctor Who than we started
• 46:15
  off as a very simple story about a young girl abandoned in that
• 46:19
  house of the woods to a story about a separate universe that,
• 46:25
  you know, split apart from this universe because they weren't
• 46:28
  compatible with it, I'm acid because that's what with mundane
• 46:32
  and sort of extraordinarily creative side by side.
• 46:35
  Yeah, that's Doctor Who it absolutely is an again.
• 46:39
  Somebody else would have gone on it.
• 46:40
  A fiction or something like that behind there.
• 46:42
  But when you pull away from the big continuity things, you have
• 46:46
  to concentrate more and just telling the best possible
• 46:49
  version of the story is because it could always be the master or
• 46:52
  the Daleks behind it or something.
• 46:54
  But actually in a story about grief, it doesn't need to be
• 46:59
  beside of end up converting dead people or whatever it can just
• 47:03
  be in the stories allowed to breathe, what?
• 47:06
  And that's what I love that about this as well.
• 47:08
  Because like, you say, you could so easily You have been, you
• 47:11
  know, I'm a big villainous, other Universe, you know,
• 47:15
  dipping bread for things. That is, it's the equivalent of
• 47:18
  like a lonely little girl or a lonely.
• 47:20
  Little boy that just wants to be involved, you know, me, the
• 47:24
  other person about his house in the doctor's wife, which is sort
• 47:28
  of this weird sort of micro sentient universe.
• 47:32
  But as you say, it's a big bad. Yeah, it's almost sort of a, you
• 47:37
  get that a lot in like classic Star Trek of like, oh It's like
• 47:41
  just some higher race that doesn't understand humans in the
• 47:44
  senate in the same way as we doing.
• 47:46
  You know the twist is oh it's a child that's it's actually in
• 47:50
  the bad guy but not a bad guy, he's just misunderstood and even
• 47:53
  though it is is always got the great clipped English mysterious
• 47:57
  voice. So I can't impression I have a
• 48:03
  brand-new water emoting on the screen right now and he's
• 48:07
  fantastic in this and so she like a week.
• 48:11
  Obviously, she's the impetus for the whole story and she is the
• 48:15
  bit behind the adventures that they go on.
• 48:17
  And indeed she is the woman who fell to Earth but I would have
• 48:21
  loved to have seen more of Grace in this series.
• 48:25
  He's so charismatic, isn't she? Yeah it's such a.
• 48:28
  I understand why she dies a why she only appears here but I
• 48:31
  would have just part of me. Wanted Graham to have like his
• 48:37
  Jackie and Pete moment where somehow reunited.
• 48:41
  And they get to be together because it's heartbreaking and
• 48:43
  the chemistry between them. You believe there are couples
• 48:46
  who believe they're in love, because everybody knows the
• 48:48
  source of couple in their late 50s early 60s.
• 48:51
  But I like this who just clearly love each other.
• 48:54
  I've met later in life, perhaps and they're just totally in
• 48:57
  love, and to have that taken away, it's heartbreaking, and
• 49:00
  it's worth remembering. You know, this was being told in
• 49:03
  the 60s, it wouldn't be a white man and a black woman and no
• 49:07
  relationship like this. You know, you can And people
• 49:11
  going to scream about Doctor Who's become fucking woke.
• 49:14
  Good, at least there's a bit more representation.
• 49:18
  Me too. And you know what, just I don't
• 49:21
  think Doctor, Who would have done this 10 years ago.
• 49:24
  I don't think it would have been a conscious thing, but they
• 49:26
  wouldn't they wouldn't have gone that there are okay, there's an
• 49:29
  interracial couple little things like, having the little girl is
• 49:33
  blind. I know it's sort of part of the
• 49:34
  story, but the story would have worked without her being blind
• 49:37
  as well, and it's just like people.
• 49:41
  Finding themselves within the story of like go, the world is a
• 49:44
  very diverse place. These are the relationships of
• 49:47
  people, but existed it lest you know bothered about her being
• 49:52
  blind and more bothered by. This reminds me so much of Greta
• 49:55
  tunberg. You know, every time I see her
• 49:57
  I'm just going to go how dare you, is it just me?
• 50:05
  Maybe it's just me. No no I get you, I get you.
• 50:07
  It is she's got great Vibes to her.
• 50:11
  I would like to say that the doctor does have a moment of
• 50:14
  intense insensitivity here in a second where she calls Grace
• 50:18
  furniture with a pulse, that is insensitive.
• 50:23
  And I do think all of the doctors have their insensitive
• 50:26
  moments. I think people throw them at
• 50:29
  Jodi's, doctors particularly, but I honestly find that there's
• 50:34
  a lot of insensitivity and all of the doctors, but you can't
• 50:37
  talk about incidents in sensitivity after fucking
• 50:40
  watching. The Capaldi era before this and
• 50:42
  then he seeing how the response to Danny pink and Danny Pink's
• 50:47
  like responds to him. It's like, this is all really
• 50:50
  misjudged do. The first one is Danny, pink is
• 50:53
  dead, and he goes. And I was thinking, you know,
• 51:03
  Danny pink Dynamic. I find it troubling like it
• 51:07
  almost bordering on. It's racism because he's always
• 51:12
  been rubbing shoulders with soldiers.
• 51:14
  Yeah, exactly. Looks awesome.
• 51:17
  I'm always. Sensitive is when he says here,
• 51:18
  you want to chat with him. He's that top layer over there.
• 51:20
  All right. Yeah, love that look.
• 51:26
  But when I had stopped at Danny pink, don't do that.
• 51:29
  Another day. Our fabulous doctors spend the
• 51:31
  entire episode solving this mystery.
• 51:34
  Now she's got her answer. Now she's got to convince
• 51:37
  everybody to abandon and their loved ones.
• 51:40
  Yeah, in this wonderful sequence.
• 51:43
  Yeah, and you would want to stay like this, and you could be
• 51:49
  there with my mother. I'll be there in a shot.
• 51:52
  Yeah, and you and you would have a very happy life but it's just
• 51:55
  because it's pulled you into sort of feed off this energy.
• 51:59
  And yeah, you just, you just absolutely would and it's just
• 52:02
  such a heartbreaking scenario. And it takes a good actor and a
• 52:08
  good writing and a good doctor to be able to convince those
• 52:12
  people to leave. And I know eventually she just
• 52:15
  sort of basically offers herself up instead of so it was the
• 52:18
  sacrifice but it's absolutely. But I genuinely think she thinks
• 52:24
  she's not going back. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:27
  Which is happens. Every now and then in Doctor
• 52:29
  Who, and it's always a fantastic moment.
• 52:32
  And I love it a lot, but because that is the So who's capable of
• 52:38
  so much selfishness? The incessant insensitivity will
• 52:40
  one moment and then just absolute selfishness for, you
• 52:44
  know, their friends or a complete stranger.
• 52:47
  I still wish we'd got that regeneration story for David
• 52:50
  Tennant. The rusty Davis talked about of
• 52:52
  him stress at a fighting himself for a family, he didn't know.
• 52:55
  But I don't think I don't know whether the show could ever do
• 52:58
  that anymore. Not.
• 52:59
  I had like a subtle send-off for a doctor intriguing.
• 53:02
  I like the ideally Andrew cartmel moose hit about the
• 53:05
  Seventh Doctor regenerates. Generate him because he lost his
• 53:07
  mind and the last shot of him in a padded cell, like, cradling
• 53:11
  himself under. That's the way I could do it as
• 53:15
  well, because I'm perfect. He is mad.
• 53:20
  Nice to insult him in both yours and my podcast in the same.
• 53:24
  It's fine. They'll be they'll be months
• 53:26
  apart. No we're not mr.
• 53:28
  McCoy? Yes exactly.
• 53:30
  It's my favorite Classic series doctor anyway and you provided
• 53:32
  the greatest moment of the year when you went on about Anna love
• 53:37
  in your doctor. All she's really having said
• 53:42
  like, yeah, basically let her go or we're gonna die and I love
• 53:47
  how that is made explicit in this story.
• 53:49
  So he spent this whole he's gone off on adventures with her.
• 53:51
  He's trying to forget about Grace or let her go.
• 53:55
  You have a moment in a records in the UK where she's still
• 53:57
  haunting him, you know, to the house, the Beautiful Moments
• 54:00
  there. And there what they had to had
• 54:03
  to do a story where he chooses to eat. either live in the past
• 54:07
  or embrace the future and the fact they make it so explicit
• 54:11
  and so emotional on the screen, Yeah, it's beautiful.
• 54:17
  Reason why this would have been a good finale, a good emotional
• 54:22
  conclusion to the Steve. Yeah.
• 54:24
  Chris the only stuff that happens in rascal have Carlos
• 54:27
  that you would have to change is the fact that Ryan's calling him
• 54:32
  Granddad in there. And I think that's probably
• 54:35
  about it and it's a minor change as you doesn't it?
• 54:39
  That's this one. Yeah, exactly.
• 54:41
  So that a glut of these over dumb emotional moments.
• 54:47
  The last ten seasons of Doctor Who a subtle moment like that.
• 54:52
  I love it. Yeah, it's a lovely moment and
• 54:56
  ran score, of course, would have made a perfect episode 9 you
• 54:59
  would have on our team shoulders back.
• 55:01
  So, it's a bit of a Sci-Fi episode before the end and I
• 55:05
  think people go off. This is a groundbreaking finale
• 55:08
  for talk to because it is not the, the big battle of Daleks
• 55:12
  and Cybermen. And I mean, the last few years
• 55:15
  before this, it was always side from involvement.
• 55:17
  And Do you know what? Like I was afraid you there
• 55:20
  quite a finale. I would I would quite like
• 55:22
  because they just got too bombastic in the end, you know.
• 55:25
  Exactly. But this I don't think we would
• 55:29
  have had a problem with this and then the season.
• 55:31
  No. I've got a quick word as well
• 55:35
  for Mario, not my God. Second that canola are the
• 55:39
  school's really, the sky's fantastic and especially here
• 55:42
  where he's the violins are coming in and it's all getting a
• 55:46
  bit climactic. He did the same thing in the,
• 55:48
  which Vine is he brought the lines?
• 55:49
  And that one is what. And it's, the sort of sound
• 55:51
  we've not heard before. Yeah.
• 55:53
  It's again, it's a different flavor from the big bombastic
• 55:59
  Murray gold scores, which there's nothing wrong with, but
• 56:03
  I'm so happy to have it. The atmosphere it creates is a
• 56:06
  creepier one as a result. I think he does go a bit more
• 56:10
  Murray goldish. As he goes along the school's,
• 56:13
  get a bit louder and more Pacey but I think the scripts demand
• 56:18
  that other as well, I agree. Yeah, by the time you get to
• 56:22
  flocks, you're very much back in the territory of RTD and Moffat
• 56:26
  area in terms of the big adventure series that this
• 56:28
  perhaps is not and doing it brilliantly.
• 56:31
  I think that's why. Evan has such a unique feel.
• 56:34
  Yeah exactly. Oh boy.
• 56:37
  Here comes the Frog. Okay, here's my question.
• 56:41
  And why is that frog? Just one of the best things
• 56:43
  ever. It's amazing.
• 56:46
  It's a fantastic concept. I don't think the execution
• 56:49
  works 100% of the time but it's selling you an idea like and it
• 56:55
  works like and I think they were right to do it as a model as
• 56:59
  well. But in the list, this is classic
• 57:01
  who in a nutshell. Very, with that shitty Pearl.
• 57:07
  It's true. That's such a good idea.
• 57:10
  It's a cliche to say it's quite Duncan's, Douglas Adams e, but
• 57:13
  it is, it's just, it's just got that vibe to it.
• 57:16
  And it is a shame that we didn't mention about Grace and frogs in
• 57:20
  the woman who fell to Earth at some point.
• 57:21
  Yeah, exactly. Just sewing the idea in a little
• 57:25
  bit but it's a clever one that works in can differ a compliment
• 57:29
  your way. Go on, you're the maddest most
• 57:32
  Beautiful thing I've ever experienced, I haven't even
• 57:36
  scratched the surface. Thank you very much.
• 57:41
  A lot of people say that about me and my knowledge of nice
• 57:43
  Doctor Who stuff. It's a, it's a wonderful
• 57:48
  sentiment. Oh yeah, it is like, and again
• 57:52
  the doctors not trying to destroy or fight this.
• 57:55
  So it's just like, I need to understand what this is.
• 57:58
  It's such a Bonkers concept, and Jody plays it.
• 58:03
  So well did I think this this if I was going to do like the best
• 58:08
  13th, Doctor scenes, probably be the one.
• 58:13
  She blows the kiss and walks away.
• 58:16
  I couldn't love her more. Yeah, she's phenomenal.
• 58:20
  And I again, I hope as people re-evaluate this series and this
• 58:24
  era, they come back to this and realize what a fucking special
• 58:27
  actor. They got in the role and it does
• 58:30
  the fact that she's being so kind, And and it's an act of
• 58:35
  kindness it. Remember in Peril the doctor at
• 58:37
  the last thing she does before. She's murdered by the doctor.
• 58:40
  At by the master is that very kind act of letting, again.
• 58:44
  Another strange, weird creature, the likes of which she's doing
• 58:49
  before. It's like almost like a greatest
• 58:50
  hits, she's such a such a coin doctor.
• 58:53
  I like that. And I think it's great casting.
• 58:56
  And I think the problem is he got the idea of who should play
• 59:00
  Doctor Who that fans have is almost Always wrong.
• 59:04
  Like, if you ask people about who should be the first female
• 59:07
  doctor, they would have got our Helena Bonham Carter or someone
• 59:10
  like that. And it's just not her.
• 59:13
  Because it's so in the doctor's wife, all they go, like Hayley
• 59:17
  Atwell because they loved her in fucking light.
• 59:20
  Marvel's Agents of Shield, or Peggy, Carter, or whatever it is
• 59:23
  like that. Because they've seen a pay a
• 59:24
  lead and it's not that it's someone with a different range
• 59:28
  in a different approach who doesn't really care what
• 59:31
  happened in the fucking Ryback. Operation or something like
• 59:37
  you've never seen doll of Doctor.
• 59:38
  Who before good? You might bring something new to
• 59:40
  it. And just, I don't know.
• 59:43
  Just someone with so much heart. I just, I just love that batter
• 59:46
  and coming off the Capaldi as well.
• 59:48
  Who for all intents of us is was fairly dark doctor even.
• 59:52
  Yeah, it is lighter Seasons. I thought last year I was going
• 59:57
  to be a wedding that she was going to be at, but she wasn't
• 1:00:00
  there, a friend, a friend of mine, married, someone, and who
• 1:00:05
  was in? What's it called?
• 1:00:07
  Broadchurch. And she played me a voice
• 1:00:10
  message. When I'd seen a just before To
• 1:00:12
  go. Oh yeah, makes with Jodie
• 1:00:13
  Whittaker now and just play with.
• 1:00:14
  It's like it was just Jody being Jody and I was like, I'm going
• 1:00:17
  to get to meet Jodie, Whittaker a wedding, but she wasn't there
• 1:00:20
  sometimes you could have given her.
• 1:00:22
  My number I could have done, I could have done, I meant to
• 1:00:26
  mention, you know, the bit where everyone's gone back through
• 1:00:30
  into the inter sewn and then the solid tracked traps, the doxa,
• 1:00:36
  the lighting there where the light comes to remember oil
• 1:00:39
  comes through the rafters and then just pauses.
• 1:00:42
  Yeah, brilliant. It is so effective.
• 1:00:45
  I feel like just everyone got together, you know, they have
• 1:00:48
  these tone meetings, but everyone was in absolutely, for
• 1:00:52
  this one. Absolutely, like, everybody just
• 1:00:55
  knew what they wanted to do. And they, I'm not saying they
• 1:00:58
  knew they were making something special, but they knew that they
• 1:01:01
  needed to make this episode different from anything that
• 1:01:03
  came before, aren't a feeling people reject, the Frog, you
• 1:01:06
  know, because some people just reject doctor, you're being
• 1:01:09
  silly, it's the same people that reject.
• 1:01:12
  This Levine and the wheelie bin that burped and all those things
• 1:01:16
  that might possibly appeal to the kids is, you know, sir,
• 1:01:18
  forgive me. The, in Levine's of this world
• 1:01:21
  will take things a bit too seriously.
• 1:01:24
  And when I was 16 17, 18 19, I was desperate for Doctor Who not
• 1:01:29
  to be seen as a joke, and not to be seen as silly.
• 1:01:32
  And I was like, it would mortify me.
• 1:01:35
  Like they, the 0th of Doctor Who was remembrance of the Daleks
• 1:01:38
  and Earth shock, because that's what Doctor Who should be like.
• 1:01:41
  And then Now, obviously, you grow older and you learned, many
• 1:01:45
  things about yourself and about entertainment and how stories
• 1:01:48
  are structured and the moment, Rusty Davis brings the show back
• 1:01:51
  and it's a bit silly. I'm like, almost like I didn't
• 1:01:54
  realize Doctor Who could be this funny and then you suddenly see
• 1:01:57
  how funny it was back in the day and it's just really a shock,
• 1:02:01
  Scott Barrel, read pissed. Lila Derek's award are oh yeah,
• 1:02:13
  we were a different. Well we're 13.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah, exactly. And I think it probably suited a
• 1:02:19
  lot of fans who were suddenly growing up that in the 80s
• 1:02:22
  Doctor Who was this violent Syria show but it shouldn't
• 1:02:26
  necessarily big. It can be.
• 1:02:28
  And I think it's important or we're missing the moment of this
• 1:02:33
  is great. Talking about Eric's able to
• 1:02:37
  this person. I'm going to know what people
• 1:02:40
  really rat on children's. A riot but I think it's he's
• 1:02:43
  quiet character moments where he's a absolute best people say
• 1:02:46
  that that scene in resolution between Ron and his dad often
• 1:02:52
  that one of the best written action sequences in the era.
• 1:02:57
  And that there's little Grim, as he calls them Granddad.
• 1:02:59
  It's just a, it's a lovely moment.
• 1:03:02
  I think the issue is that, it's not, but criminal can't write
• 1:03:05
  characters, it's just, he's got a lot of them.
• 1:03:07
  So only one of them ever really gets that the moments per
• 1:03:10
  episode and he has a tendency to add in a massive guest cast, as
• 1:03:14
  well. Yeah, I was got any screen time
• 1:03:17
  but also like it's a problem with Doctor Who that you've got
• 1:03:20
  to introduce a get rid of a guest cast in 45, 50 minutes,
• 1:03:24
  you know? So In other programs, characters
• 1:03:28
  don't evolve and like, all their character development, doesn't
• 1:03:33
  happen in one episode, it happens slowly over time, so I
• 1:03:35
  don't think it's a huge, huge problem.
• 1:03:38
  I just think people people need to look for the moments in it
• 1:03:43
  and appreciate what's there as things evolve slowly.
• 1:03:45
  It's not all just thrown at you, like I think that's because
• 1:03:48
  muffin it was very like here it is.
• 1:03:50
  Take all this, take all this character and it's funny and
• 1:03:52
  there's sexy and there's violence, whereas this fucking
• 1:03:55
  exhausting is, what it It is Arthur exactly.
• 1:03:58
  Now, look at this. This beautiful next time trailer
• 1:04:03
  for Battle of robins caught up, Carlos, it does look like, it's
• 1:04:06
  going to be a fantastic episode. Just it's all right.
• 1:04:09
  I think he's as bad as well. I do, it's beautifully shot.
• 1:04:12
  Actually it's but you know Jamie chance of the cseries 11
• 1:04:17
  director is me Will Do. Ya Allah spent all of Punjab
• 1:04:21
  saying with Mark tonderai. It wasn't, it was Jamie Charles.
• 1:04:24
  Oh God, I think my wife and I did the same.
• 1:04:26
  Oh well. Redacted.
• 1:04:30
  There are a lot of time on these podcasts that doctor who can be
• 1:04:33
  anything and go anywhere. I think I used the word
• 1:04:36
  idiosyncratic at least once per episode.
• 1:04:38
  Oh yeah, it's the rules. This might be the most
• 1:04:41
  idiosyncratic Doctor Who episode and in terms of showing you
• 1:04:46
  everywhere, you can go in one hour.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah sure. It can be beaten absolutely.
• 1:04:54
  It's if I was going to show somebody an episode of the Jodie
• 1:04:58
  Whittaker era. It's sort of say this is what
• 1:05:01
  encompasses the era it would probably be this one.
• 1:05:05
  And, you know, I think I'll sit good.
• 1:05:07
  I'm just gonna say you have to be a fucking idiot, not to enjoy
• 1:05:09
  it. Well, we said that about Punjab
• 1:05:11
  has allowed in weight as well. I think people were used to,
• 1:05:17
  because the one who fell to Earth was fairly Forward piece
• 1:05:21
  of Storytelling. So stuff like Iraq is in the UK,
• 1:05:24
  the saranga conundrum, the things like that, that they've
• 1:05:28
  called a sort of simple linear storytelling with lots of
• 1:05:31
  character. Bees are think.
• 1:05:33
  They thought that this sort of complex storytelling might have
• 1:05:36
  been a thing of the past. Yeah.
• 1:05:39
  Or yeah. And coming after the mafia era
• 1:05:41
  where everything was very convoluted and you know very
• 1:05:45
  often in a genius kind of way. I think this came as a like I'm
• 1:05:50
  Real were freshmen often rely simple stories earlier in the
• 1:05:54
  year. Absolutely.
• 1:05:55
  But also just to say that people were complaining about how over
• 1:06:00
  convoluted and complicated and nostalgic filled the Moffett ear
• 1:06:03
  was so you go for a simpler style of Storytelling in the
• 1:06:06
  first part of this series. Everybody's like, well, I didn't
• 1:06:09
  mean like that weird and also we have a we feel like dogs, we
• 1:06:15
  should be entirely cater to our own tastes.
• 1:06:17
  I know it's very strange and just by the The base level of
• 1:06:21
  the format is never going to be. There will always be a episodes.
• 1:06:24
  You prefer more. I don't think there's a reason a
• 1:06:27
  series of Doctor Who where I universally loved each of this
• 1:06:31
  episode's. The same amount there are ones
• 1:06:33
  that appeals will be more than others.
• 1:06:35
  I and like I love this this series.
• 1:06:39
  Now series 9 I fucking love series 9 and everybody Rats on
• 1:06:43
  it and it's like that's the nature of the show.
• 1:06:46
  It's and again, I said it on the last one.
• 1:06:50
  I said it on this one, the fact that this 60 year old TV series
• 1:06:53
  is still covering new ground is just a testament to what a
• 1:06:57
  fantastic idea Doctor Who was in the first place.
• 1:07:00
  Well, I was has a marvelous Place 2nd, you know.
• 1:07:03
  But unfortunately, we do have to do all three things.
• 1:07:05
  A piece back and forth. Got about that.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah, yeah. Had just said a very polite,
• 1:07:12
  goodbye on your podcast. How about you more work?
• 1:07:15
  Sorry, I don't know. Chris, will you guys first?
• 1:07:18
  And I'll go after you. I'm going to take the lighting I
• 1:07:22
  think, which is the cinematography as well.
• 1:07:25
  Like, it just, it's a very, very considered environments that
• 1:07:30
  help Drive The Narrative, just through the power of lighting in
• 1:07:34
  all the different areas of the story.
• 1:07:38
  I'm going to say the characterization of the doctor.
• 1:07:41
  I mean job take it as written that I think Jody is brilliant
• 1:07:45
  but I think on paper as well, the doctors just constantly
• 1:07:50
  trying to sell things. Looking out for our friends
• 1:07:53
  being funny, lot of witty asides, gets a confrontation
• 1:07:59
  with the villain of the piece that just happens to be all
• 1:08:02
  kindness. Yeah, just brilliant.
• 1:08:05
  It's a bold New interpretation of the doctor.
• 1:08:09
  And at this point it's working like gangbusters exactly.
• 1:08:14
  My second one is going to be Kevin Alton as ribbons just for
• 1:08:18
  it. The character itself is such a
• 1:08:20
  fun creation, but I think he gives it, gives it his all in
• 1:08:25
  this kind of. It's both subtle and
• 1:08:27
  over-the-top at the same time, as the only way I can describe
• 1:08:30
  it and it's such a unique little character that is probably no
• 1:08:35
  more was probably only on For a day or two doing this like
• 1:08:39
  little Cameo but it just it's such a fantastic character to
• 1:08:43
  have in the middle of the story. So Kevin elderness ribbons.
• 1:08:48
  My second will be the grace and Graham which is like the quiet
• 1:08:54
  strength of this season. Breaking My Heart in the woman
• 1:08:58
  who fell to Earth and in arachnids the UK and initative.
• 1:09:03
  This is the payoff to that where he finally has to make the
• 1:09:05
  choice of, you know, holding on Or moving on.
• 1:09:10
  And it is just stunning and sort of very visceral, very emotional
• 1:09:13
  way. I was really engaged with it.
• 1:09:16
  Yeah. Number two, my number three is
• 1:09:19
  Graham and Ryan's little moment at the end where they're finding
• 1:09:23
  least, they finally feel like grandfather and Grandson.
• 1:09:28
  It's just, it's a lovely moment but the series has been hurtling
• 1:09:31
  towards. Like again, people say that
• 1:09:35
  there isn't the kind of interlinking are They want in
• 1:09:38
  this series, but it's all character-based like you were
• 1:09:40
  saying about the gray and gray stuff and the Graham and tosin
• 1:09:45
  stuff, like, it's all character. That is linking these stories
• 1:09:48
  and the journey they go on together.
• 1:09:51
  So, it's that moment of the waiting on a few head into the
• 1:09:54
  second half of the era. And finally, as get so character
• 1:09:57
  stuff and is Yasmin. The doctor?
• 1:09:59
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  And people fucking hate it. I think I loved it.
• 1:10:02
  The payoff. With that scene on the Tardis,
• 1:10:04
  eating the ice creams ah daud it.
• 1:10:08
  Anything where she goes. It's Alright.
• 1:10:10
  Yes. When she's crying in the Tardis
• 1:10:11
  after she says she's going to regenerate.
• 1:10:14
  Jesus will start growing. My first thing then is going to
• 1:10:19
  be oh yeah, of course, those fucking chilling, moths.
• 1:10:23
  Yeah, I'll watch this twice in a day and I'm not sure I'm going
• 1:10:25
  to sleep tonight. I fear of horrible.
• 1:10:29
  Great flash mobs coming out of the smoke.
• 1:10:31
  At me, it's Doctor Who during giant insects in a weird way,
• 1:10:37
  which has been a staple We'll sit silent, the maggots and the
• 1:10:39
  spiders and all of that and it still works folks.
• 1:10:44
  It does still work, it does the work and it's such an exciting
• 1:10:47
  way. I thought again that imagery of
• 1:10:49
  it just coming out of a skull by yeah, they always suck it.
• 1:10:57
  What Dylan I wanted you would care to please tell the viewers
• 1:11:01
  now, you know, you did at the beginning of the episode but do
• 1:11:04
  it the end as well because I got short memories of the Epic.
• 1:11:07
  But we Face ahead of us. Yes.
• 1:11:10
  Next time we're going to be doing all six episodes of flux
• 1:11:14
  together which I'm very excited to to revisit.
• 1:11:17
  I don't know exactly when we're going to do we're going to do
• 1:11:20
  it. But what we're going to do it in
• 1:11:23
  like 2 episode chunks. I imagine I don't think I could
• 1:11:25
  do it in a day, but I'm very excited to revisit.
• 1:11:32
  What was one of my favorite seasons of?
• 1:11:35
  Don't talk to who won first transmission?
• 1:11:38
  Oh my God, it's one of my favorites as well.
• 1:11:40
  Perfect, there you go. I'm a jerk and it ranks.
• 1:11:45
  Oh, it's difficult. It's definitely a probably my
• 1:11:49
  top three of the new series I think do much.
• 1:11:53
  I can see where is for me. It's false.
• 1:11:55
  Okay, I'll go for three. People are gonna sound crazy 8,
• 1:12:02
  then flux. So people are gonna think - I
• 1:12:08
  think it's six. Mine looks.
• 1:12:17
  I love you so much, I know. And she do one day if we do
• 1:12:22
  commentaries on and episodes from those Seasons I'll tell you
• 1:12:25
  why I love them. It's more about how I enjoyed
• 1:12:29
  them at the time rather than necessarily them I think they're
• 1:12:32
  the Zenith of the best Doctor Who you could possibly make but
• 1:12:37
  I think you should come on and do what I consider to be the
• 1:12:41
  worst episode of the new series and is from Is it serious?
• 1:12:44
  Six and ten Juwan wrong? The wedding of River Song?
• 1:12:51
  Okay, I will because I love that finale.
• 1:12:54
  I love people coming on Sammy. How I'm wrong about the Steven
• 1:12:56
  Moffat era, just people Charming people, like, Mark McManus
• 1:13:00
  managed to convince me. Then the deep breath is
• 1:13:02
  fantastic. Now role of it.
• 1:13:04
  No one was convinced me that the breath is fantastic.
• 1:13:09
  But no, we are gonna tackle flax.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah, we've got trees ahead of us.
• 1:13:13
  Such as swarm and Azure cars ankles the sontarans.
• 1:13:19
  It's just one treasure after another That season.
• 1:13:21
  I cannot wait. I think it's going to be very
• 1:13:23
  exciting and moving, they'll be laughs and scares and heartbreak
• 1:13:28
  along the way.