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Did Courtney Love Have Kurt Cobain Killed? | Under the Docs Documentary Review · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: Fifty k was offered to him to make it look
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  Speaker 1: like a suicide.
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  Speaker 4: Hey do you smell that? It smells like teen spirit
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  Speaker 4: up in here and shotgun residue.
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  Speaker 1: It's shuck. Today we're going over the film, the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight film Kurt and Courtney, directed by Nick Broomfield,
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  Speaker 1: which follows the conspiracy of what really happened to Kirk.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting a round like to pick
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  Speaker 1: this up because I've been like kind of dabbling in
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  Speaker 1: the curtain Courtney stuff for a long time. I've liked
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  Speaker 1: to figure out what was happening, like we all have
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  Speaker 1: our own thoughts on it. But also not too long ago,
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  Speaker 1: Daily Mail release an article that says her Coppwaine's death
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  Speaker 1: was homicide, shocking new forensics investigation. So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: let's go back to one of the classics. I had
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  Speaker 1: not seen this. I had saw friend Kirk Cobain documentaries
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  Speaker 1: and stuff about Courtney, so this was fresh for me,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a stuff we've heard, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it was well put together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're gonna probably have to do more than
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  Speaker 4: just this one too, because this is just one tiny insight,
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  Speaker 4: and this one is also a little bit older. This
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  Speaker 4: might be like one of the very first ones, not
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  Speaker 4: that I've seen chronologically, but like probably one of the
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  Speaker 4: first curtain Courtney documentaries to ever come out, questioning his death, plotting.
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  Speaker 1: The course, This one's pretty easy to plot. It goes over,
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  Speaker 1: gives you old footage kind of the story behind Kurt,
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  Speaker 1: and like as you said, you alluded to, this is
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  Speaker 1: probably one of the first ones. This was maybe in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, right, so a few years well, I
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  Speaker 1: think he did. He passed in ninety six. It was
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  Speaker 1: ninety six. I believe that ninety five or ninety six
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  Speaker 1: is when Kurt actually left this world right and it
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  Speaker 1: was a huge megastar that had the masses right like,
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  Speaker 1: and he was this prototypical that that we don't think
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  Speaker 1: of at the time, but like now that you think of,
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  Speaker 1: it's almost the catalyst of this progressive era, right Like
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't think the grunge, but like this whole Seattle
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  Speaker 1: Antifa movement, you can trace a lot of it to
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  Speaker 1: Kurk Cobain. In my opinion, I.
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  Speaker 4: Remember that this was one of the first celebrity deaths
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  Speaker 4: where like I had friends in school crying over a stranger.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and I get it, like it was traumatic
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  Speaker 4: for a lot of people, but this is one of
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  Speaker 4: the first moments where I felt like that the world
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  Speaker 4: was weird, Like why is the world being so weird?
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  Speaker 4: Why why is everyone in my middle school crying today
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  Speaker 4: because like a rock and roller guy died. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: not to be not empathetic about it, but it was
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  Speaker 4: just it was like a it's a real moment that
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  Speaker 4: I can't forget.
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  Speaker 1: And the claims in this film go off right away,
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  Speaker 1: like right in the beginning, like he's going like talking
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  Speaker 1: to the ant Kirk Cobain's aunt and she wants to
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  Speaker 1: show like some of the songs that he made as
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  Speaker 1: a child, and they're like, we can't show you this
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  Speaker 1: because a Courtney's team is like kind of pushing back
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  Speaker 1: against us with legal and this will be a theme
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  Speaker 1: throughout the film, which does make an interesting different layer
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  Speaker 1: of claims. Right, they're not just making claims about Kurt
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  Speaker 1: and Courtney, but they're making claims that Courtney's team still
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  Speaker 1: to that day of up to around the I think
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  Speaker 1: they shot around like ninety six to ninety seven. I
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  Speaker 1: just looked. Nineteen ninety four was when Kirk Cobain's suicide
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  Speaker 1: actually happened. So this film was shot a few years
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  Speaker 1: after and released in ninety eight, and her team was like,
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  Speaker 1: we own the rights to all that music.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: They insinuate like you know, she's kind of bullying them,
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  Speaker 1: Like now it could have just been just lawyers like
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  Speaker 1: we want money, right and just grabbing royalties. They don't
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  Speaker 1: necessary to explain. They kind of leave the mystery there,
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  Speaker 1: like Courtney and her thugs where they're waiting for me
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  Speaker 1: right out and like if I put that song in there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting beat down. Like that kind of feel was
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  Speaker 1: like right away in the film I thought was interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're this documentary. It's called curt and Courtney,
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  Speaker 4: but it should be called like Kurt and Courtney and Me,
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  Speaker 4: because like they sort of insert themselves into now they're
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  Speaker 4: also the victims. Like yeah, you might go into this
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  Speaker 4: thinking you're just gonna learn about Kurt dying and like
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  Speaker 4: how much of a tragedy, but also look what she's
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  Speaker 4: doing to me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they and then like I said, this team
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  Speaker 1: comes up. They even have like towards the end and
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  Speaker 1: just to wrap up like kind of like the Curtney
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  Speaker 1: versus Me narrative. Towards the end, it's where he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like he has a phone call, which you can tell
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  Speaker 1: was Connor Rehearse, like it didn't seem natural. Like he's like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pulling out. Man. You know, the Ententvy execs their
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Courtney. They don't want to fund this film,
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  Speaker 1: and and I think he is trying to convey like
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I'm noble, Like I'm trying to just
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  Speaker 1: get the truth to you, and they're trying to pull it.
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  Speaker 1: But like, don't worry, I'm gonna put work.
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  Speaker 4: Think Nirvana is trying to stop us, and that was a.
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  Speaker 1: Good point throughout this film. Like, like you said, he
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  Speaker 1: kind of inserted himself a little bit more. But some
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  Speaker 1: of the other key figures in this film was a
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  Speaker 1: private investigator, Tom Grant, Right, He's one of the key
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  Speaker 1: figures to what really happened. And Tom Grant was hired
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  Speaker 1: when so Kirk was missing, Right, Kurt, he was a
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  Speaker 1: heroin addict. Right, Let's not like put it out there
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  Speaker 1: like he.
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  Speaker 4: Escaped from rehab. He was a heroin addict that had
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  Speaker 4: just escaped from rehab.
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  Speaker 1: And so like he's investigating Kirk, whereas isabouts trying to
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  Speaker 1: really get a part of it. Well, he's like one
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  Speaker 1: of the lead figures of this whole He did not
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  Speaker 1: commit suicide narratives. He kind of like really pounds his
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  Speaker 1: fists on the table. Like he even has a part
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  Speaker 1: where he's like, throw me one time in history that
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  Speaker 1: a guy has been had that much heroin and he
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  Speaker 1: was able to pick up a gun, right, Like that's
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  Speaker 1: his like whole to me, his premise of like it
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  Speaker 1: would be impossible the amount of heroin he had in
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  Speaker 1: his system for him to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: That was his like smoking gun.
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  Speaker 4: I looked that up and he's he was wrong according
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  Speaker 4: to various information that I found. So just since we're
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  Speaker 4: on that tangent right now, anyways, I guess Kurt was
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  Speaker 4: found with like one point twenty five milligrams in his system. Well,
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  Speaker 4: the real measurement is milligrams per leader, and the range
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  Speaker 4: from like a typical heavy heroin addict is anywhere between
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  Speaker 4: like zero point eighty five milligrams per leader all the
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  Speaker 4: way up to four milligrams per leader, So he wasn't
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  Speaker 4: even halfway to the higher end of the spectrum. So
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  Speaker 4: for that to have been his like big smoking gun,
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  Speaker 4: Like here's the thing that's going to convince you. I
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  Speaker 4: mean I went and looked it up, and it didn't
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  Speaker 4: really convince me at all. But I do think that
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  Speaker 4: that guy is such a fascinating character because the idea
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  Speaker 4: here was that Courtney he believes that Courtney Love was
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  Speaker 4: behind Kurt Cobain's death, and that Courtney Love contacted him
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  Speaker 4: to do private investigation just so that when he was
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  Speaker 4: found dead, she could be like I hired a private investigator.
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  Speaker 4: I was doing everything that I could to proactively, like
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  Speaker 4: you know, prevent anything from happening, or to find out
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  Speaker 4: what happened to Kurt. But in turn, this guy ends
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  Speaker 4: up like investigating it as if it were a murder
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  Speaker 4: that she was behind, and then he's like writing books
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  Speaker 4: about it, and he's still years later advocating that she
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  Speaker 4: was the one responsible for him dying. So it's sort
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  Speaker 4: of ironic that she just randomly grabs this guy out
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  Speaker 4: of the Yellow Pages and either he's good at what
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  Speaker 4: he does, or he's good at grifting or a narrative
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  Speaker 4: or who knows what happened necessarily, but like he turned
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  Speaker 4: this the one hundred and eighty degrees from where she
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  Speaker 4: was trying to push it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows if he's just an opportunitist, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: he was like I was hired as an investigator and
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  Speaker 1: he's like this looks a little weird. Let me just
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  Speaker 1: add this stuff. Oh wow, it's those books. Let me
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  Speaker 1: keep let me keep running with this. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is profitable. And they do even say in the film
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  Speaker 1: I forgot like they were talking about some doctors were
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  Speaker 1: talking about like, well that first minute to five minutes
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  Speaker 1: before the heroin actually is full effect, like same thing
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  Speaker 1: with like I don't know how fast heroin hits you, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: but I know, alcohol, weed and different substances don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: the minute you use it. You're not like whoa like, right,
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  Speaker 1: it takes a little bit to get into your system.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, you would definitely have enough time to
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  Speaker 1: inject yourself and within that minute or five minutes before
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  Speaker 1: it really hits you, you're probably could pick up a gun.
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  Speaker 1: It's possible. It's not the way that he was making
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  Speaker 1: it like, it is impossible. There was no way that
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  Speaker 1: anybody could do that. I thought that was a funny narrative.
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  Speaker 1: And then they start focusing more on painting who Courtney
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  Speaker 1: was right there, they're building the villain, right, They're like,
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  Speaker 1: they go to one of her exes, a Ross Rezubk,
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  Speaker 1: a punk musician that obviously with scorn bro Like, this
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  Speaker 1: was a good scene too, Like, you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: see that they maybe did not have the best of relations.
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  Speaker 1: He does not lack Courtney, Let's just say that, right,
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  Speaker 1: And he's a little bit intoxicated when you get there.
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  Speaker 1: You only see him with one beer. But then I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: the way he starts talking, I'm like, Okay, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: been drinking, right, He like wants to let stuff out.
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  Speaker 1: So I will say that some of the people that
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  Speaker 1: come out like they have already hatred and already a
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  Speaker 1: bone to pick with Courtney, so this may be them
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  Speaker 1: latching onto it. But he goes through some of her
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  Speaker 1: old like writings and stuff, and it does give you
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  Speaker 1: some insight where she's like, hey, I'm gonna be famous, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'll do anything and everything to be famous. This
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  Speaker 1: is my twenty step plan on how to get there,
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  Speaker 1: and and some of it's like kind of like maybe
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  Speaker 1: you would call it manifestations, you know, like go on tour,
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  Speaker 1: like it's like, uh like going to her like become famous,
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  Speaker 1: like do the Grammys, like all these like check points
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  Speaker 1: of what she wants to do. And he kind of
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  Speaker 1: then puts it through his perspective where he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she'll step on anything. She took my career, right, she
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  Speaker 1: took my image, which maybe she did, we can't say,
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  Speaker 1: but I kind of give it a mix right there,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm like, obviously you like have beef with her,
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  Speaker 1: like you hate her, So it's I can't believe everything
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, Like I think there's truth to what you
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  Speaker 1: have said. I think that she may be like a manipulator.
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  Speaker 1: She may be like this calculated person that's trying to
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  Speaker 1: get ahead in life. But like, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you should blame all your failures on her, and like
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  Speaker 1: that seems to be why you want to be in
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  Speaker 1: this film.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he said a couple of things though that I
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  Speaker 4: think that stood out as the point that this documentary
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  Speaker 4: is trying to make. I think is that a was
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  Speaker 4: she kind of would adapt a personality to fit whatever
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  Speaker 4: the situation or whatever her goal was in. And one
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  Speaker 4: of those examples that you find on this documentary is
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  Speaker 4: it she goes to like England for a like a
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  Speaker 4: month or two for music and going on tour and
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  Speaker 4: just going to bands, and then when she comes back
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  Speaker 4: to the States, she's got a thick English accent and
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  Speaker 4: she's yelling about how like the punk that this guy's
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  Speaker 4: singing isn't from like the real roots or something like
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  Speaker 4: she's this expert because she had just been. It's you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's like someone goes on a cur like a white
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  Speaker 4: girl goes on a cruise to Jamaica and gets her
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  Speaker 4: hair beat, and she comes back and she's like talking
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  Speaker 4: like Patwa, you know what I mean, like all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden, like she's like a Jamaican or something like.
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  Speaker 4: There's sort of that angle to Courtney. And then he
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  Speaker 4: also is describing how she would sort of throw gas
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  Speaker 4: on a fire so that if you had a certain
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  Speaker 4: kink or like a weird habit or just like some
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  Speaker 4: something that would make you different from other people, she
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  Speaker 4: would use that and like bond with you over that
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  Speaker 4: and like just make that a thing that the two
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  Speaker 4: of you would share, Like, Oh, I can't believe this
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  Speaker 4: person's into this thing that I I'm into. So there's
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  Speaker 4: this idea that her opportunistic nature and just throwing like
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  Speaker 4: fuel on the fire of people that you could kind
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  Speaker 4: of like use you as a stepping stone by feeding
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  Speaker 4: into whatever your thing is and then jumping to the
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  Speaker 4: next person, the next person, next person. And then I
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  Speaker 4: guess that the premise of this documentary and what this
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  Speaker 4: guy is saying is how Kurt Cobain dies. And then
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  Speaker 4: a week later is when she drops her first album
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, now there's no more spotlight to share
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  Speaker 4: and take all this momentum, which is sort of they
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  Speaker 4: haven't said it in these terms, but this is like
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  Speaker 4: that conspiracy theory angle of like a sacrifice, like a
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  Speaker 4: blood sacrifice must be made in order for a new
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  Speaker 4: star to be born. They're kind of describing that without saying.
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  Speaker 1: It, and this film does do a good job of
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  Speaker 1: like at least the people that have interacted with it
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  Speaker 1: are like, right, we didn't have every aspect of like
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  Speaker 1: the people are like, oh, Corney's a great person, Like
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  Speaker 1: we didn't get that feel like a lot of the people,
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  Speaker 1: like ros one of the first he's like, well, how'd
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  Speaker 1: you meet her? And he's like, well, I got off
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  Speaker 1: stage and she's like, you suck, you're the worst music.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't do this, Look how you're dressed, and just
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  Speaker 1: like berating him and like really tearing him down. And
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of what she did, right, That's how she
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  Speaker 1: latches on to different people, And I think that does
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  Speaker 1: give you a little bit of like how she was
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  Speaker 1: as a person. They even like have one of her
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  Speaker 1: former friends. Now again we don't know how these relationships were,
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  Speaker 1: like her former friend Amy No One documentary way, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's so that's like and she's like calling her a harpie,
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  Speaker 1: Like she's just like this latching on, like this person
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  Speaker 1: that manipulates and uses anything. So there's this theme of this.
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  Speaker 1: Even they go as far as to talk to her dad,
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  Speaker 1: Hank Harrison. Her dad is like they had two major
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  Speaker 1: interviews with him in this in this film, and the
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  Speaker 1: first one is, I would say, so so intense. The
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  Speaker 1: last one is super intense, right where he's just like
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  Speaker 1: I'm coming for you, Like he's like, I know you,
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  Speaker 1: I know how you think? Like he he has some
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  Speaker 1: and it's hard to say, right is it some kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing that he did or some just family core
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  Speaker 1: or does he really know?
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  Speaker 4: And is she doesnticular he's selling books and he's getting interviews.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's what like you got to see in
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  Speaker 1: some of this too, with some of these people are
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  Speaker 1: selling books and they have incentive to really go after Courtney.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like almost like okay, you're going after her
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  Speaker 1: for like benefiting off this death, but you are also
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  Speaker 1: trying to benefit off this debt and profit off his
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  Speaker 1: death by like selling books and and saying conspiratorial things.
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  Speaker 1: But it is interesting that like the dad is like
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  Speaker 1: just going I couldn't see myself being that way, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean, each to each his own, like maybe they
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  Speaker 1: have some like their past is not good. And then
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  Speaker 1: he tries to like he's like basically like they'd say,
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  Speaker 1: she's from this hippie family, but then you see the
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  Speaker 1: dad and he seems very conservatively strict, like it's it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like this blur line. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like he was like so.
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, he was. He was the manager to the
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  Speaker 4: grateful death, grateful dead. He was if you're the grateful dead,
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  Speaker 4: like maybe you're good at money and you're an accountant
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  Speaker 4: or whatever, but you're gonna be with like hippies and
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  Speaker 4: like ninety nine percent of the time.
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  Speaker 1: Outside of that that that makes a lot of boarder.
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  Speaker 1: Did you do put more context to it? And he
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  Speaker 1: just said that from the get go that you know,
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  Speaker 1: she was not following the rules and that like she
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  Speaker 1: was doing Heroin and bringing her Heroin buddies. But then
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting that she He's like, we had to
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  Speaker 1: prevent this. I bought piples and she did not like pipples,
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  Speaker 1: and you know that's how I kept her away. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, like it was just kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: weird moment because you're like kind of like listening, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from, Like, dang, she was
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  Speaker 1: a very troubled kid. It's not always the parent's fault
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  Speaker 1: when they have troubled kids, right, they maybe meet the
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  Speaker 1: wrong people or get into the wrong situations. But you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I feel like you played a
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  Speaker 1: factor in this.
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  Speaker 4: Like he almost seems like she screwed up when she
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: was like seventy's like writing a book about this, you
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like he is so like easy
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: to jump onto the attack over this stuff. So as
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I'm watching this too, and then they start making all
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: these claims about like horrible ways that Courtney's treated people,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: and like, om, I wonder where she got that from.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see it right in his face. But
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I will say, then they kind of like go through
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: like who how did this happen?
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Who did it?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And my favorite character of I'm sure you could probably
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: guess it. My favorite character of this entire film, L
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Duce bro Like when they introduced L du say, I'm like, okay,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: all right. L Duce was the lead singer of a
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: punk band in La called the Mentors. I think it
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: was like the Mentors is the name of it, And
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: they drive out to Riverside, California. Actually that's where I
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: was born and raised, So I was I seen him.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I knew.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I was young, you know, du say you know I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: was a young kid. I knew it. It's a conspiracy man.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And then let me not spoil that yet. But they
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: talk to him and he's an obvious trunk, right like
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: when I see him, Like I was watching it with
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: my girlfriend. She's like, oh, is he on meth? I'm like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that is not meth. Like that's a guy that drinks
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: all day every day, Like I can tell that's about that.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I got a beer. I'll tell you
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: more if I got a beer, you know what I mean?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And he claims, now, they didn't say this specifically, right like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: they kind of dance around it because throughout the film,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Nick is like, well, we can't put this because the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: BBC says we can't factually trace this out, so you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: we can't have his whole thing aired. But he's talking
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and alluding to that, like he says it, but they
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: don't specifically say Courtney said it. But he's like fifty
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: k was offered to him to make it look like
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a suicide to come in there. And then the funniest
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: part is when al Duc He's like, yeah, me and Alan,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: sorry about that.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Alan, you know, like.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: He just slip like that, Me and Alan, I mean
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: suspect one, like he forgot the code names. He was
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: drunk and he's out there. But he claims that that's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: what was supposed to happen, that he was supposed to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: get that money. So I think he believes that somebody
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: did this, that he didn't pick it that job up,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: but somebody else did.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Well. He said that he was offered fifty k to
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: take out Kurt Cobain. Uh And then coincidentally, a week
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: after he said that on this video, he dies. He
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: ends up being found on train tracks. So no one
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: ever gets to ask him anything else about Alan or
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: anything else about his involvement with us ever again. But
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: he he was adamant, and they go on to mention
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: very briefly that he took a polygraph test, saying the
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: exact same thing he said to the camera here, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: he passed the polygraph test. So even if it's a
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: missile of the quarter or not, he got this drunk guy,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: and the way that he describes it, he he was like,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: I wish I would have done it. I wish I
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: would have taken that money. Like, hell, I regret it
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: every day of my life that I didn't take that
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: fifty k because Alan took it. Oh sorry Alan.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And then it's funny ironic as well, like not only
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: he died mysteriously on the train, checks that they say
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: he just fell asleep on the tracks, man, like common things.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: After saying this to the VBC that that Courtney Love
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: was calling people threatening to kill them if they would
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: talk to the BBC, this guy talks to them and
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: he ends up that all coincidentally and.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Uh they released way later, but the Mentors released a
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: lot of old Eldus stuff and their material. They have
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a song called Shotgun Suicide and he like sings in
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the song like and he's like Kurko Bain like he's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: like like the way and you're like this was heavily
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: influenced he I. I'm not saying he's reliable because it
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: sucks as people say, like, oh, well he drinks and
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I think that that he seemed
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a lot more reliable than some of the other people
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that you see in some of these films. I believe him, Like,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying like it seemed like it was offered.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Now is that what happened? We don't know, but I mean,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I believe that he was offered that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Well here and I'm sure we're gonna get into this
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: in a second too, but here's the one thing that
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: was surprising to me. But then it makes sense. But
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: also it's like just this weird thing that even after
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: they're millionaires, right, they're making all this money on MTV,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: and and Courtney Love is already has some music going
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: for even before her album comes out. Kurt Cobain is
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: already famous. Like they're they don't need to worry about anything.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: And she's going out and she's buying like a new
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Lexus and they're getting like a mansion, and he's not
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: really happy with all this. But while this is happening,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: they're still hiring like junkie heroin addicts to be like
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: their babysitter and their nanny, and and Courtney Love is
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: going and hanging out with l Duce this like drunk
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: biker guy. Like even though they have fallen into all
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: this money and they can live like Hollywood movie stars
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: for the rest of their lives, like there's still deciding
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: to go back to skid row and just hang out
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: with their homies at skid row. And when you consider
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: that dynamic, she probably bro She probably had hundreds of
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: people that she could offer fifty k two to do anything,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: kill anybody she wanted fifty k. You know how much
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: hair whin I can get for fifty k? Yes, but
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: some of these people, like I guarantee you l Duce
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: probably would have considered it for like fifteen k, maybe
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: for ten k. So when when Courtney Love is coming
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: up to one of her junkie friends and offering fifty
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars, that seems very likely that that could have
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: been a real conversation.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And who knows how like not that it wasn't serious,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: but right like you're in these places where people are
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: getting messed up, right like whether it be alcohol, whether
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: it be like heroin, and people say a lot of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: crazy stuff. I've been to a lot of parties, I've
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: been a lot around people that do wide varieties of drugs,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and there has been crazy conversations, right like what would
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you say if somebody you know, per se someone offered
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you fifty k?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Would you do?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Those?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And then with inflation, right, what's that one fifty a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: like two hundred k, like that was a lot of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: money in nineteen ninety four, right like ninety three, whenever
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it was originally offered. And I do think that someone
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: told him that now were they willing to follow through
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: on it? Was it just some drunken rage? Was it
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: just some like drug induce like crazy thoughts?
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Right, that's the possibilities. But to your point, I think
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that they paint even Kirk like the ant says like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: he I always thought he was depressed, right, they she
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: talks about some of the songs he wrote and was
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like seaside suicide and she's like he's always had this
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like low like kind of personality, that he's like a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Debbie Downer. Right, That's kind of how they they've like
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: described him. And I think latching on to Courtney Love
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: was probably the worst thing that could have happen, And
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to someone like that, it's not necessarily that he was killed,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like maybe there was plots of that on the table.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Because then now we get into uh, the nanny Jackie Ferry,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: who is reluctant to be interviewed. At first, it seems like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: right they have one of her friends that's like doing
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the old like, yeah, I have a friend that used
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to work for them, and you know, she's kind of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: telling the story for you. And then they're like, well
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: we call her, and then they're like all right, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: then like it's like, well.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: There were they were both nannies for the family at
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: some point, but it was the the girl that she
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: calls over was the nanny like a week before.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: All this all this, yeah, all this unfolded and you
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: could see like that she did look a little bit scared,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: but again the nanny is like living in a basement
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like the first one, like is living in a basement
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in a corner of a basement, like doesn't own the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: full basement, even you're not even running out the full basement.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Bro like that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Well guarantee they were both heroin auticts as well, both
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: these nannies, no question about it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe former now right, like but they were still doing
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: somethance because they're like the when the other nanny comes on,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: she's just like nodding.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: As they're interviewing her, Like you kind of feel like
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: nodding out a little bit. Yeah, You're like like she
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: was reluctant until off camera they're like, well, bo't pay
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: for your heroin like oh yep, bam, like we're here, and.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Then that's what the other friends like, yeah, I'm on board, right,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And she talks about how they referred to themselves as
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Sid and Nancy and uh uh, they're the punk rock
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you know what's his name, Sid Vicious and Nancy Sponge
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Like that's the punk rock rock king and queen, right,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: like the Bonnie and Clyde of punk rock. And that's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: kind of how they describe themselves, these outlaws the word.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: That's what punk rock was. That's what underground hip hop is, right,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Like it's this young, rebellious like era of time when
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: people are like no, I hate the government. But also
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: then then they later grow up and they're like, well
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: they're not all bad, Like that's a different annoying part.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But in this scene, she's also talking about like leading
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: up to that week that you know, Courtney's talking to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Kurt a lot about his will and like what's going
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: on with that? And then she leaves and she comes back,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and I have this strange like connection that the second
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: nanny Jackie is like has some kind of either lust
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: or like romantic view of Kurt, right, like because she
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: talks very well about him, and then that happens at
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: times like maybe they had some deep conversations. I'm not
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: saying that they did anything with each other, but it
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: seemed like she like was like he's a good person
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and she's just an evil bitch, right, But like sometimes
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that angle comes out where it's like, oh, well, I'm
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: only seeing that because I kind of like you, right,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: You're this big rock star and you seem to have
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like this gentle like personality towards me, So I'm cool
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: with it. So she was pretty much just only really
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: talking about about Courtney. But I do think one of
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the prolific things that she said was like if Kirk
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't murdered, he was driven to murder himself. And I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: was like, maybe that's an angle that we should look
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: down a little bit more, like not that you can
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: really do anything about it, but that seems to like
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: add up right with some of this depression and like
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this little fit and then you're with this toxic, manipulative
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: woman that's gonna do anything and everything to be the star,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and she doesn't really want to share the limelight with you,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And maybe that she did have ideas of hiring a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: hitman at some point, but like then she's like, or
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I could just be me and you know, eventually off himself.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Well, because there was another thing too that came up
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: in this, and it was about how Courtney would say
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: things constantly occur, like oh is today the day they're
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: gonna kill yourself? Or what are you gonna kill yourself over?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: It?
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Like she kept introducing these thoughts and like these things
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: over and over again and to the point where like
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: she was sort of antagonistic about this and so part
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: of these conspiracies too. It's like he never would have
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: done that. This had to have been her, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: he probably would have had more willpower. It was all staged.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: But there's this one clip in here where apparently Vanity
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Fair was writing an article on Courtney love and it
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: and this is while they're still together, Kurt's still alive,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: and it was just like writing about how she had
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: admitted to taking heroin while she was pregnant with their kid,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: and it was kind of like, look at this horrible mother,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: bad human being that everyone's worshiping. And it was a
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: little bit of a hit piece, and I guessed that
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: she was calling and making death threats and writing like
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: ransom style letters about killing and cutting your dog up
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: if you ever talked to Vanity Fair. If Vanny Vere
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: publishes this, and there was like one of her friends,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I guess, someone that had known her that lived in upstate,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: like the northwest region, and that they got content by
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Vanity Fair. Courtney Loves finds out about this and starts
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: calling and leaving these death threats and then gets Kurt
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: to call and leave death threats as well, and you
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: can hear his voice and like it is the most
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: beta sort of like weakest death threat I've ever heard,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: but man, it's it sounds like someone's got a gun
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: to his head to make him make the death threat.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: But it's like, hey, if you say anything that ever
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: hurts Courtney, I'll kill you, I'll end you. I'll make
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: sure that you know you regret it the rest of
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: your life. And that's it. And then there's like one
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: other one that's kind of a follow up where he's
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: saying that, you know, we've taken this to the courts,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: but maybe it's not gonna happen in the courts. Maybe
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have to bring this to the streets or whatever.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: It is that he's saying so clear, like there is
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: some direct evidence that he was being manipulated to the
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: point where now even Kurt Cobain this everyone describes him
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: as like this meek, nice person that can never hurt
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: a fly. Yet here's a voice mail where he's the
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: threatening to murder somebody for writing a hit piece in
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: like a magazine about his wife.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I think it should be noted that you still said
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it tougher than him, right, like my best it's it
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: was really hard because when I was I was chuckling him.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I know, it's like morbid and he's gone, and like
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: what and then that and those ladies are in fear
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: right like because they were starting a biography about courty
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: love and he's like if this ever gets out, he's like,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: could settle in the court?
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Could not?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So it's just such a nerdy like I'll be like what,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: bro like come down, like you know, like one down buddy.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Then the threat really is that these these are people
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: that have a lot of money and a lot of
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: junkie friends that will do anything for a buck. So
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: if you flow a fifty thousand dollars, you know, carrot
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: in front of them. Yeah, like they can make things happen.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I think that that legitimately would scare me.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, but you're not going to be
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: talking like that to Douce Kirk, you know, yeah, you
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. You're not gonna be like, oh
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: enj you He'll be like yeah, like it's gonna happen.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: It had to be these authors and these interviewers and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: these reporters and journalists that they're like yeah, and but
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: it's still was so funny. I'm so glad you said
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that because it was to me too, the most weakest
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: threat I've like, just like as a man, like I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: understand why they were like felt away because you're right,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of junkies they know that are like, yeah,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I'll kill you for ten grand bro, I'll kill you
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: for like one hundred dollars worth of heroin maybe, like
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Some people right now, yeah, man, a line right now.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: You could see that. And now after like they kind
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: of go through all that, you get to see like
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the reporters, they kind of tail off. And I like
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: this part of it because now he gives the man
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: on the street the Alex Jones the what's it called
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the Roger and mean feel of let me get in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: your face, let me talk to you. And now they
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: fast full word to where it's like no more modern
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: time in ninety eight and they've here Courtney Love is
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: going to be speaking at an acl U event about
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech. Now, at first you have the guy's talk,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the one guy talking to her, and he's very very
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: like not pushing anything. He's just like, so, oh, yeah,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you're doing pretty good.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Huh, Like, how's a new album, how's the band? Yeah?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then and then he even buffs that because
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: she's like, no, we've been together for a lot. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh sorry, Like he's scared, right, he's nervous.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: But then nick I will say, he's he's a pretty
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: good interviewer, right. I liked how he pushed his back
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit and and kind of gets you where
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: he wants you. And then he's kind of like talking
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: nice about her, gets her sucked in so that way
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: she's like read and he goes, I think it's kind
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of crazy that you're like, I'm paraphrase, and obviously I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: think it's kind of crazy you're talking at this freedom
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of speech event and then you're threatening journalists and she's like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you anymore. But in
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: that small segment, I will say looking at Courtney Love,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure she probably still did drugs at that time.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm like, this is a looney bitch, right, Like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, she is not all there. Like I could
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: see her like in one breath, being like I love you,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and then as she's saying I love you, stabbing you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: at the same time.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, since she asked that question, you could almost hear
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: her thinking like, I'm gonna have you killed. That was
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: the look that she gave him on that Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's part of the lure of her.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think, like maybe she's not as obviously like crazy
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: as far as like fighting everybody, but I think she
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: got this hold of this money and you you laid
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it out perfectly. She has enough money and enough junkie
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: friends that will do pretty much anything for a hit
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that like, she is scary. That's what makes her scary.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, but she also has a lot
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of incidents where she fought people, like one of the reporters.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: There's a scene alleged that she was backstage at the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Emmys and she tried to hit this lady with Quentin
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Tarantino's oscar, right, like there's other violent issues. There's one
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: of the photographers that's talking about it and she's like, yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: she attacked this person, like there there is legitimate fear
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that people have from her, and like they're like, hey,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: this this lady's crazy, like her connection, she will like
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: go off on you. And then I thought they the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: cherry on top was she leaves she's doing her acceptance speech,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and I guess they must have had people that were
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: able to walk up or talk. I don't know how
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Nick was invited, but he gets and then he goes, well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's again. He doubles down and goes a thing.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: It's crazy that you have this lady at a freedom
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of speech thing and she's threatening reporters, and typical fashion
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of any kind of these organizations. They're like, boo, get
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: them on stage, like we're not really for freedom of speech,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: we're just for certain speech.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: And then the director of the ACLU is like, get
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: him off the stage.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: That's just's wild hidden treasures and overboar moments. I'm gonna
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: go off first, because I don't. I mean, there is
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of hidden treasures, but my favorite hidden treasure
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: is El Duce. Like I did not know about l
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Duce before this. One of my new favorite characters, like
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the name his whole like ensemble, Like he just came
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: out like like chomping his lips and like full of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: scraggly beard and like a let's get a beerd god.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Like he's some guy I can have a beard with.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure rest his soul because I wish I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: could interview him because he probably has some crazy other stories,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: not just about Kurt Cobain, because he's been in the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: music scene and he just gets faded. And the thing
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that people don't understand is that this music circles are
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: very small, and you could be a local legend in
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: LA and you'd be like, oh, there's no way he'd
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: know this guy. You're like yeah, because they come out
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and they perform in these areas and you you rub
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: elbows with these guys, right, you have drinks with them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of ways to meet these upper
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: echelon stars, especially some like these where they're trying to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Kurt and Courtney's whole thing was like, we
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: got to stick to our roots, right, we don't want
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to be rich, we don't. I'm tired of these Bentley's, right,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that's kind of their stick. I think maybe more of
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Kurt maybe than Courtney, because I think Courtney was like
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Bentley's are pretty good. But I think I'll do say
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: was my huge hidden gem in this.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: I mean the hidden gems are really the they get
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: boots on the ground, live interviews with Courtney Love's dad,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: with friends ex like Kurt Cobain's first girlfriend, Courtney Love's
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: ex boyfriend. They're talking to the nannies, they're talking to
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: like people that actually have real life insight into this.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: So again I realized that I'm not a big fan
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: of these outside looking in documentaries where they just find
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: a bunch of archival footage and it's like, here's what
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: we think based on the video footage that we spent
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: a couple of years looking at. This is Hey, you
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: knew them personally, what do you think?
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: So you don't get that, And like without this documentary,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: you don't know who El Ducha is. You don't really
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: understand that he said that he was offered money and
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: like I passed a polygraph and all that you could
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: read it in an article or reading a book, but
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: actually seeing the guy say it for himself on camera
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: alive and then find out that he died a week
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: later under a freak accident, Like that is is so huge,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Like and the access that the BBC was able to
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: get to make this documentary is just a hidden treasure
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: like that, there's no way else that you could do
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: this ever again again because hel Ducha is freaking dead.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And I'll say some of the overboard moments was just
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: nippicking a little bit, but you know, like the angle
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of like court like they really want to villainized Courtney,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: but like it there's a lot in the film where
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, you know, Corny doesn't want to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: let us play this, and like we know that that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: happens in general, right, Like you can't just play whatever
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: music you want, someone owns the rights to it and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: someone not saying that she didn't bully anybody or that
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: she's some good figure. But I do think they played
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: into that a little bit. And then just that over
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: dramatic scene of where he's talking on the phone and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: they're like, we're pulling the plug. Man, you're gonna be
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: on your own you know what I'm saying, You're gonna
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have if you want to put out this film, you're
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: gonna have to be on your own time because the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: MTV execs are pulling out. Man, they love Courtney and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: this and which I'm not saying it wasn't true, but
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I and what else can you do? You wanted to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: emphasize it, and you wanted to make it part of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the film, so you may have like fabricated a little
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: bit or like redramatized it would probably be the better
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: way to say it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: I got a long list of overboard moments on this one.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: So the biggest one was like I've got I've got
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: notes here, Like every ten minutes, I was checking in
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: and like, has anything interesting happened or have been said yet?
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: So twenty over twenty minutes in, and you've just been
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: talking to his am about like his favorite songs growing
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: up and here's how he was as like a kid,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Like okay, like this is about Curt and Courtney. Let's
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: get into the meat a little bit. Thirty minutes in,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: still like not a single interesting claim. It's all just
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: about here's the kind of art hurt like to make,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: and here's how he was and here's how they were
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: in high school. And then finally they start talking to
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: the dad and it starts getting into this conspiracy that
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Courtney Love might have been behind the murder or would
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: have helped facilitate getting the gun, like all of these
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: weird aspects of it. But then the documentary takes a
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: turn about and here's why Courtney Love is a bad
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: person because she goes after journalists. So in all of
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: these documentaries that we've seen over the series, some of
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: the better ones, they have this formula where it starts
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: out like, okay, whatever, yeah, it's a competition about tickling.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: You know, how crazy could that be? And then there's
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: like a twist. You're like, wait what, there's organized crime.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: And then there's another tw you're like wait, people are dying.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: And then it's like wait, there's politicians. Like it keeps
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: turning it up, but more and more and more. Right
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: in this documentary, it does the exact opposite. It starts
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: like really boring and then it drops this like maybe
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Courtney Love was involved in Kurt's death, and then it's
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: like gets more boring and more boring and more boring,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: to the point where the last half of it is
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Courtney Love is against the freedom of speech of journalists
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: because she called people up that were writing hit pieces
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: on her. I was like, I don't know, man, the
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: whole angle of she might have killed her husband and
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: used that as a launch point for her career. That
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: seems far more interesting than any aclu accolades or all
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: this other stuff. So there was there was this angle
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: of the documentary again where it went from Kurt and
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Courtney to Kurt and Courtney and me and like we
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: don't need you, and I don't. I mean maybe I
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: just was like having like a chip on my shoulders.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I was watching this, but every time the interviewer Nick
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: said something, I was like, God, this guy is such
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: a freaking it. Like he would he would ask questions,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: and it was like, here's an example one of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: very first interviews that he's having with Kurt Cobain's first girlfriend,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: and she's walking around the inside of like her apartment.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: It's like a freaking mess too. And they walk into
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: a room and she's like, oh, here's something that Kurt painted,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and like all he painted was like like fetuses, Essentially,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: it's like this favorite thing. He's like he was super edgy, right,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: like edgy, you know, grunge guy. So the interviewer was like,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: what's that a fetus? And she's like, yeah, he made
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: collages of like diseased vaginas and meat. And here's what
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: the interviewer says, really, and then there's a pause and
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: she's like yeah, And I'm just thinking, like, dude, you
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: like you flew all the way to the US and
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: you're gonna talk about like some heavy stuff. Here's like
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: this rock star that Nayorman had killed himself and Courtney Love,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: and the level of interview was like, what's that? Oh,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: it's an apple? Really? Whoa Like, come on, bro, like
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: get into some And the same thing too when he
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: was taught when you were mentioning the Second Maid the
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Second Nanny, and you're like, oh, she's like maybe had
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: a thing going on, or at least was like thinking
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: about in a positive way. But at the same time,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: when I'm watching that interview, I'm like, here's this guy
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: talking to and nodding out junkie that's like maybe not
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: even fully there. And the questions that he's asking her
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: are like the most leading questions ever, because like it
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: would go silent and then he would be like, so
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: we just think of Kurt, and she'd be like he
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: was like a lot of people said he was like
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: you know, real nice, like a nice guy, right, like
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: a nice guy, and she's like, oh yeah, he was
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: like a real nice guy. So part of it just
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: felt And then there was all these other aspects too.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: They go into like a public library or like a
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: public station, and the lady there is like, you can't
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: be filming in here. You gotta get out of there,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: and like the way that he just plays dumb and
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: then like leaves again. It just felt that why is
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: that scene in this documentary? You went in here for
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: an unknown reason. You didn't ask anyone any questions. It
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: was just a way to insert yourself into this documentary.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: And then dude, did they flub it at the end. Right,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: So here's the big chance they got Courtney Love. They're
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: gonna like gorilla journalism, like shocker with these questions and
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: they say that here's the questions. We're gonna be like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: did you kill Kurt? You know, like what about all
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: this other evidence? Did you try to bludgeon this girl?
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Hirschberg with Quentin Tarantino's Oscar. They've got these questions that
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: they're gonna ask her, and the first guy flubs it.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: He's absolutely Courtney, how's the album going? And then after
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: he comes back, they're all like, dude, what happened? You
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: were supposed to ask her if she killed Kurt? And
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: he's like, I got starstruck, man, I don't know what
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: to say. So then when Nick grabs the reins that
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: the one thing that he does where I was like, Okay,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: that was smart, is that you can tell that Courtney
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: is like trying to have void them. She just wants
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: to go from the bathroom to wherever she's going. But
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: they're like, Courtney, what do you think about the ACLU?
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: And it's like you're at the ACLU events, so you
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: can't just ignore that question. So then she goes up, Oh,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: the ACLU is great, blah blah blah, and then he
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: breaks the question about like what about the you know,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: the journalism and stuff, But he was just criticizing a
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: homie for not asking if she helped kill Kurt, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: now he's got the opportunity to do it, and he
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: doesn't do it either. So I mean, at the end
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: of this documentary, I felt the people they interviewed were amazing,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: the resources, the access they had amazing, But the freaking
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: questions that these bumbling Keystone cop idiots that had a
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: camera and a microphone like, they fumbled every single like, dude,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: they could have had such a great interview with El
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Duca right. Who knows. Maybe all the good stuff had
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: to get left on the cutting room floor because of
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: legal suits against them from MTV and everything. Maybe that's
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: the case. Maybe I'm being overly harsh and they weren't
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: able to show all the good stuff, but the things
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: that they were able to show, it just felt like
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Amateur Hour.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: It's time for everybody's favorite segment, sink or Swim.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I'll start it off. I think that if you're interested
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: in the death of Kirk Cobain, then one hundred percent
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: this is a documentary that you have to watch because
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: of all the exclusive interviews with people that were so
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: close to it. Even if you don't necessarily walk away
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: with any kind of answers, this is not something that
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: you can just like read an article about, so one
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: hundred percent, if you care about Kirk Cobain, you need
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: to watch this. If you don't care about Kirk Cobain,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: you can absolutely pass on this. There's like nothing of
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: value outside of some interesting trivia stuff, and for me,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: it's just an absolute sink. I was dumbfounded and frustrated
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: at the lack of questions that they were giving to
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: the nannies and the ex girlfriend and the dad and
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: horrible follow ups. They chickened out three times in a row.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: The best journalist thing they did the entire time was
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: that one question, Hey, Courtney, what do you think about
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: the ACLU? Like when he said that, I was like, okay,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: that that was a genius way to get her attention.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: That was literally the only redeeming quality that they had
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the entire time. So, I mean, I feel like the
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: topic and the content that this was supposed to be
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: about is so interesting that it's amazing they were able
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: to make it as boring and vanilla as they were.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it kind of puts you into
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: this perspective when you see Kurt and Courtney and your
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: first like introduction of it is like, this is where
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I think they copped out a little bit, where they're like, yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Courtney's team, He's coming after us. And I felt like
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that they had a turd burger in a film and
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that they were trying to like push this narrative of Courtney,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: like the reason you're not getting a good film is
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: not my fault. And then they could have that little
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: asterisk it's because you know, it's on the cutting room
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: floor because the BBC wouldn't let us, an MTV wouldn't
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: let us, and Courtney's people with thugs, and I thought
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: they had like so much gold. The only reason I
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: would suggest anybody to watch it is for al Duce.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And they they didn't even do him perfect like justice,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like you're just like, okay, you wasted it. He's dead
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: now now. The only interview we could have had that
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: is unless you can go show me the footage now, right,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: which if you can show me, they didn't even talk
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: to him very well. They would talk over it. Remember,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: they were like, well, we can't fully show you everything
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: that he said because the BBC and this and that,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and then he just kind of like says the claim
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: of the fifty k and Alan and then it's wiped
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: off and El Duce is no longer. They're like yeah,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and then he died like a week later. And just anyways,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: now we're gonna go on to this other stuff, and
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: they just dance around. And I really wanted to like
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: this film, right because they do have a little bit
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: of like the conspiratorial stuff. But I have to give
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: it sink because it didn't. It just dragged on too long.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It seemed like they didn't know what they were doing
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and that they were too afraid and didn't have the
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: balls to really be in this. Like you were right
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: in front of her face and you were criticizing everybody.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Then I'm thinking, you're gonna turn it around and you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: walk up on the mic, and I'm like, okay, even better,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: he's gonna say this in front of everybody, like, hey, Kurt,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: did you kill Kurt? Like right, then, at least okay,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: maybe she can't answer, but at least it's right. We
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: know she's asked that, and he doesn't. Right, he knows
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. You know, you get one question when
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: you get up there that they're not gonna like. So
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I give it a sink. I thought it was a
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: try hard, right. He tried to stretch this into something
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: and it could have been done way better.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: I wish literally anyone else would have made this documentary
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: and had the same access because they had the opportunity
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: to take a conspiracy theory and turn it into such
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: a great story, and they just didn't. They they fumbled
• 48:57
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• 48:58
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• 50:00
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• 50:03
  Speaker 3: I won't know.
• 50:12
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• 50:24
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• 50:36
  Speaker 3: I screwbled my life away, driven the right to page.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Will any light to bring if you're the flight of
• 50:41
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• 50:45
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• 50:48
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• 50:51
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• 50:54
  Speaker 3: you emotional hate.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Maybe your language the game.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: How they're playing it well without lay, because may them
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: whatever the costs. They are the shape shit think skinny
• 51:02
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• 51:06
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• 51:10
  Speaker 1: For eyes to see.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Maxim out that I like my trees blowing off in
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the face. You're despising me for what, though calculated, the
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: rather cut throat perinoid American must be all the blunt
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: smoke for real, Lord, give me your.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Day, your way.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: They cake, they wait around that hate whatever they say, Man,
• 51:27
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• 51:30
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• 51:32
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• 51:35
  Speaker 4: They ain't ever had a deal.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: You welcome, man, they lacking a pill.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: You welcome, yet they going.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: It's still You're welcome.