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Natalie Wood death mystery episode 2: Sister Lana speaks · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Natalie Wood was one of the most popular sought after
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  Speaker 1: actresses in Hollywood. This is America, sweeth talk. This story
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  Speaker 1: is huge. It was Thanksgiving weekend when Would Enter actor
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  Speaker 1: husband Robert Wagner, went sailing on their yacht, The Splendor.
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  Speaker 1: They were joined by actor and friend Christopher walkin This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Wagner notified Captain Dennis
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  Speaker 1: Davern that Would was not on board. Wagner, let's turn
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  Speaker 1: on the searchlight to see if we can see her,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, no, we don't want to do that
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  Speaker 1: right now. Do you believe that maybe Robert Wagner has
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  Speaker 1: been hiding the real truth of what happened that night
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  Speaker 1: all these years? I fully believe that we ever seen
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  Speaker 1: information which we felt was substantial enough to make us
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  Speaker 1: take another look at this case. It's old information that
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  Speaker 1: was never looked at, that should have been looked at.
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  Speaker 1: I will not rest until she gets justice. Those are
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  Speaker 1: the words of Natalie Wood's beloved sister Lanta. I will
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  Speaker 1: not rest until she Natalie gets justice. Lanta even revealing
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  Speaker 1: that she has received death threats to lay off r J.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner, the husband who was with the Hollywood star
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  Speaker 1: Natalie Wood on Wood's yacht the night she mysteriously drowned.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories and joining me
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  Speaker 1: our special guest, Lanna would ms Wood. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us, Oh, thank you, thank you. My first
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  Speaker 1: question is one I've addressed you so many many times,
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  Speaker 1: but I've never known Do you like Lanta or Lana? Launa? Please? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I thought so. I tried it both ways, and when
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  Speaker 1: I got no response from you, I had to break
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  Speaker 1: down and actually ask you. Oh. I always tell people
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  Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter, but my um my birth name
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  Speaker 1: is stet Lana. It's Russian name, and my parents just
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  Speaker 1: sort of cut it in half and made it Lana,
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  Speaker 1: so um, it's um. I've met some some Russian women
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  Speaker 1: and they always call me, uh, they cut my name
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  Speaker 1: in half the other direction. Remember the bullshot Ballet called
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  Speaker 1: me Stata, and I thought, who on earth is she
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  Speaker 1: talking to? So it doesn't matter. You can call me
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  Speaker 1: whatever you like. You the younger sister. Were you younger
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  Speaker 1: than Natalie? Are you old? I was? I was the
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  Speaker 1: baby there we had eight years. You were the baby.
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  Speaker 1: That must have been hard And I'm certainly no shrink
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  Speaker 1: but growing up with Natalie, of course you were an
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  Speaker 1: actress in your own right, you know, so you were
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  Speaker 1: the toast of the town yourself there. Now let me
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  Speaker 1: get the Were you a Bond girl? Yes? Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: oh vavo. I always just tell people that if I
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  Speaker 1: had known that the Bond role would have followed me
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, I would have done
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  Speaker 1: a better job. You did a great job. You know.
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  Speaker 1: When I heard that Natalie's case became a cold case,
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  Speaker 1: at first I was was a cold case. I was disheartened,
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  Speaker 1: But the case is heating up again. And when I
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  Speaker 1: spoke to you about your recollections of the night Natalie
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  Speaker 1: died and what unfolded over the next seventy two hours,
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  Speaker 1: and since it is amazing, I want to take you back.
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  Speaker 1: And I know everybody does this, but I want our
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  Speaker 1: listeners to hear it from Lana would Natalie's sister? Why
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  Speaker 1: what possessed Natalie to go out on that dark water
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  Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving? I don't why why would she go out there?
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  Speaker 1: Where were we going in the first place? Natalie Um
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  Speaker 1: it was their Thanksgiving plans. For quite a while, she
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  Speaker 1: had been filming Um. She wanted Christopher and r J
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  Speaker 1: to get to know each other. It was it was
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  Speaker 1: a plan, and she refused to change to change it around,
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  Speaker 1: even when her daughter Natasha was begging her not to go. Um,
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  Speaker 1: the night before was rainy and nasty, and uh, nobody
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go out on the boat, and everyone thought
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  Speaker 1: that it was silly for them to be going. But
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  Speaker 1: it was just, you know, that was the plan, and
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  Speaker 1: she was just definite about it. There was the plans
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  Speaker 1: and we're not going to change them. And that's that's
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  Speaker 1: the end of it. Now. How old were her children
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  Speaker 1: at the time, Oh, dear, um approximate. Uh, Courtney was
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  Speaker 1: about five. She was about the same age. Because my
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  Speaker 1: daughter Evan is the same age as Courtney there at
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  Speaker 1: six months difference in age. And uh, Natasha at the
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  Speaker 1: time is about about twelve. Oh, my stars, Lana, I
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  Speaker 1: never thought it through about how young they were. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's um makes it even even worse. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: losing a parent at any time, I suppose is horrible,
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  Speaker 1: but they were so young. Um. The thing that saddened
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  Speaker 1: me so much not that long I was. Courtney was
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  Speaker 1: asked for a memory in an interview and she said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember my mom. I never knew her, and
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  Speaker 1: that broke my heart. Baths broke my heart. You know
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  Speaker 1: you kissed. None of this can be undone, It just can't.
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  Speaker 1: All the ripple effects of that one night. Where were
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  Speaker 1: you the night they went out on the splendor? Where
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  Speaker 1: were you? Um? I was home. Now at that time,
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  Speaker 1: you were getting along with Wagner? Correct? Um, Yeah, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely, Um. I just accepted him as as part
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  Speaker 1: of the family. Now. They had been married before divorced,
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  Speaker 1: and she married another guy, and then after that divorce
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  Speaker 1: remarried her first husband, Robert Wagner. Right, what did you
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  Speaker 1: think about the remarriage? Quite honestly, I wasn't happy about it.
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  Speaker 1: Then I made myself very clear about my feelings. I
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  Speaker 1: do have a habit of voicing my opinion on my feelings. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And I took Natalie's side the night she announced it
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  Speaker 1: to my mom and dad and me, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: what on earth are you doing? Because I remember the
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  Speaker 1: breakup of her marriage. I remember her coming into the
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  Speaker 1: family home late at night. I was in bed. I
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  Speaker 1: remember her coming with her hand bleeding. Um. She she
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  Speaker 1: broke a wine glass that she was holding and and
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  Speaker 1: sliced her hand doing an argument with Wagner. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember all that. You know, I remember everything
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  Speaker 1: after that. Did he know how you felt? I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know. I this is a terrible admission to make.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I spent much time talking to him
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  Speaker 1: when I was with Natalie. I was there for Natalie.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go to visit. We were normally on our
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  Speaker 1: way out there. We were going shopping, or we were
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  Speaker 1: going to do a girl's lunch, or we were gonna
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  Speaker 1: we were going to go to a movie, we were
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  Speaker 1: gonna do something, do you know what I mean? Or
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  Speaker 1: I was there with something specific and it would be
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  Speaker 1: the two of us. He was jealous of her. I
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  Speaker 1: know he was jealous the night of Christopher Walking, But
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  Speaker 1: I mean because of her huge, huge box office success
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  Speaker 1: and he was a TV star. I think I think
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  Speaker 1: he would have to be some sort of saint not
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  Speaker 1: to feel how difficult that would be, because I think
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  Speaker 1: it's part of the male ego. Yes, I'm making a
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  Speaker 1: blanket statement. Um to be a man. The man likes
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  Speaker 1: to be in charge, be the breadwinner, be the decision makers.
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  Speaker 1: It's a guy thing. And you got to agree agree
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  Speaker 1: with me on that that's how they feel. Let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you a question. This is completely on a different
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  Speaker 1: topic called on now. At the time Natalie passed away,
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  Speaker 1: was Wagner already starring with Stephanie Powers. Um. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: was already doing Hard to Heart. Yeah, so he was
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  Speaker 1: already starring with Stephanie Powers. And that was his was
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  Speaker 1: that his biggest show. That was a big show. That
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  Speaker 1: it was a very successful show, absolutely, very popular, very
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  Speaker 1: successful show. So that evening, what do you recall of it? Um?
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't. I had a regular evening. My mom was over, UM,
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  Speaker 1: my daughter gone to bed. I tried to go to
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  Speaker 1: sleep and couldn't sleep. I was up all night long.
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  Speaker 1: I finally got to the point where I just surrendered
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  Speaker 1: and went and looked into my mom and she was
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  Speaker 1: awake too, and I said, I can't sleep, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's go in the kitchen. We went in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: we had tea, and we sat there for a while,
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  Speaker 1: and um, after five o'clock, I think suddenly I had
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  Speaker 1: to go to sleep. I don't know what had happened.
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  Speaker 1: And this is not like me at all. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have problems sleeping. Um. I went to bed and I
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  Speaker 1: was awakened by a phone call from a friend of
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  Speaker 1: mine from that I've known since elementary school. And she
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  Speaker 1: called me and she said, you know, Natalie has been
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  Speaker 1: found dead in the ocean. And I said what I said,
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  Speaker 1: you're you know, you're crazy, You're you're wrong. It's a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: And I hung up on her and she called me
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  Speaker 1: back and she said, you better turn on the television.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, she there's a she was found dead. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Everything after that, I don't really know. I remember snippets
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  Speaker 1: of things. Um, it's like you're just your world begins
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  Speaker 1: to crumble. I don't um. I wasn't aware of too much.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, Lana, funny odd. Um, I have
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  Speaker 1: a I cannot remember. I started to say, I have
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  Speaker 1: a hard time remembering, but I cannot remember huge chunks
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  Speaker 1: of time just before and after my fiancee's murder. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking like about a year or two before, in a
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  Speaker 1: year or two after. I remember bits and pieces, but
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  Speaker 1: I remember the few part the part a few parts
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  Speaker 1: of the funeral I remember is walking in and smelling
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  Speaker 1: this overwhelming smell of carnations, which to you know that
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  Speaker 1: the fake carna. To this day if I smell carnations,
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  Speaker 1: I almost vomit. When you remember when you said snippets
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  Speaker 1: that really hit home. That's the perfect way to describe it, snippets.
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  Speaker 1: So when did it start seeing king into you that
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  Speaker 1: everything did not g hoss, everything did not exactly line
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  Speaker 1: up correctly. I don't even recall brushing my keeth. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know when I know that. I I was
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  Speaker 1: on automatic pilots. Um, there were arguing, There was arguing
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  Speaker 1: going on. My mom um passed out from high blood pressure.
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  Speaker 1: UM guy mclwaine, who was a friend of Natalie's and
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  Speaker 1: a former boyfriend of mine, suddenly arrived at the house.
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  Speaker 1: Our half sister came. UM, my mom was hysterical. I
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  Speaker 1: remember I remember my mom turning around in my living
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  Speaker 1: room and saying the wrong one died while looking at me,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, don't even go there. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: I remember somebody asking me for a drink and I said,
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  Speaker 1: I was sorry, I don't really keep alcohol. I had
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  Speaker 1: some mine, and I remember him being angry and saying,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell you know kind of a home did
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  Speaker 1: I have if I didn't keep alcohol? And I said, nobody,
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  Speaker 1: nobody drinks here. It's weird things like that. I remember
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  Speaker 1: um Ron Samuel's and Linda Carter got into the limo
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  Speaker 1: with me and my daughter to go to the funeral,
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  Speaker 1: and I broke down, either going there or coming back.
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you which. I don't remember the funeral
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  Speaker 1: at all. Nothing. Why have you said that Robert Wagner
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  Speaker 1: has not cooperated with police? Why do I say it
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  Speaker 1: because they've never spoken to them. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: he keeps saying he did. It boggles my mind that
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  Speaker 1: day he didn't speak to them? And what when it happened?
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  Speaker 1: Whoever arrived that it was somebody from the Corner's office,
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  Speaker 1: and there was there were though, there was that Detective
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  Speaker 1: Rasher Um. They arrived on the boat. They did not
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  Speaker 1: question anybody. They took an accounting from everybody. When did
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  Speaker 1: you see your last one has happened? I'm terribly sorry
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  Speaker 1: if you lost Mr Wagner. Um he was Then he
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  Speaker 1: and Christopher were flown back to the mainland and it
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  Speaker 1: was Dennis de Verne who had to identify Natalie's body,
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  Speaker 1: which it horrified me. Um. I mean, I can't, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: It's I know it's wrong for me to want someone
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  Speaker 1: to react how I would. That's just flat out wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But it boggles my mind that you wouldn't as a husband,
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  Speaker 1: as a lover, as a friend, as a dog owner,
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  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't rush to the side of someone it's
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  Speaker 1: passed away and won't hold them and want to be there.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't understand that time he has not spoken
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  Speaker 1: to police. No, the only time he has spoken to
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  Speaker 1: police was that the day he has never spoken to them.
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  Speaker 1: Ask you this, Lana, Is it true that detectives told
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  Speaker 1: you they were very close to making an arrest in
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  Speaker 1: the case. Absolutely. They came to my home and said
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  Speaker 1: that they had everything they needed for an arrest and
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  Speaker 1: that the district attorney would not move forward. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand, and he said, please get that word
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  Speaker 1: out because they feel that there's something going on. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, fine, if somebody asks me, I will, I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you. So they came to your house and
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  Speaker 1: said they have enough for an arrest, but the d
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  Speaker 1: A is sitting on it. Yes, did you believe that
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  Speaker 1: they were referring to Robert Wagner? Did they tell you
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  Speaker 1: as Robert Wagen? Oh? Of course, yes, yes, they told
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  Speaker 1: you as Robert Wagen. What they said, have you tried
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  Speaker 1: to talk to Wagner. Yes, I used to write notes.
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  Speaker 1: I was cut out from UM being around Natalie's kids
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  Speaker 1: and UH and r J. Very rapidly after her passing. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I was concerned about his birthday, which was only months later,
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  Speaker 1: and I called the house and his daughter from another marriage, Um,
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  Speaker 1: Katie answered the phone. I said, Katie, I'm very concerned
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  Speaker 1: about r J um my boyfriend, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: come and you know, take him to dinner or do something,
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  Speaker 1: or do or this or that or you know whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And she said, oh, don't worry about anything. There's a
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  Speaker 1: party here. I said, oh, wonderful. I said that's great.
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure somebody was doing something
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  Speaker 1: and Uh, I said what times of the party, And
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  Speaker 1: then there was this great hesitation and she said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just gonna be like Natalie and r
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  Speaker 1: J's friends. And I said, well, Katie, I would assume that,
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  Speaker 1: but those friends are also my friends. I didn't make
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  Speaker 1: just so that you know, Nancy, I didn't make friends
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  Speaker 1: outside of my family. It was Natalie and I that
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  Speaker 1: we're together, who shared friends, shared a boyfriend, which we
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  Speaker 1: didn't know at the time. I mean we had a
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  Speaker 1: very close relationship. Yes, we had ups and downs, we
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  Speaker 1: were human. Um, but for them to say that, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, oh boy, okay, something something's up.
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  Speaker 1: I bought him a gift. M alten Um, my boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: and I, you know, went to the house and gave
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  Speaker 1: him a gift and had a glass of wine left
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  Speaker 1: because I was very uncomfortable. Um. But I was cut
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  Speaker 1: out back then. I used to write him letters. It
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  Speaker 1: was never answered. When my mom passed away, I became
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  Speaker 1: hysterical and just called r J. And Willie made the
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  Speaker 1: housekeeper answered the phone and I said, Willie May, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta talk to r J right now. And she said,
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  Speaker 1: she said, Lana, I can't. She said, you know, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: You know that there's a problem. And I said, Willie May,
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  Speaker 1: my mom just died. Put him on the phone. So
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  Speaker 1: she went and got him. And I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I called him. It's difficult, just so that you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you've known someone since you were nine and ten
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  Speaker 1: years old, and they've been a part of your life,
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  Speaker 1: it's difficult to suddenly be without them. I also want
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  Speaker 1: to understand something we were talking earlier about him. Now
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  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner was starring with Stephanie Powers on Heart to Heart,
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  Speaker 1: and he then later married Jill st. John In correct, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: did she had she been a friend of Natalie's. No,
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  Speaker 1: I've never even seen her at the house. No, not
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  Speaker 1: not friends at all. Actually, I saw very little of Stephanie.
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  Speaker 1: But I saw more of Stephanie than I never thought Jill. So,
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  Speaker 1: after all the years, he's never sat down with you
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  Speaker 1: and talked to you about what happened that night, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't ever call me and tell me that Natalie
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  Speaker 1: have drowned or that anything had happened. He never called Natasha,
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  Speaker 1: Natalie's daughter by Richard Gregson. She was spending the night
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  Speaker 1: at a friend's house. She heard it on the on
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  Speaker 1: the New. He never called me. That's all I ever wanted.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what his problem is with me, Seriously,
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  Speaker 1: I don't what was Natasha's take on all of this?
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  Speaker 1: Where does Natasha stand? I wouldn't know. I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 1: not allowed to speak to anyone or they will not
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  Speaker 1: take phone calls or anything from me. I'm I'm somehow,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. If you ever find out the answer,
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  Speaker 1: let me know, what did you find odd about that,
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  Speaker 1: not other than the fact that Natalie Wood, who was
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  Speaker 1: always no matter when you saw her, she was dressed
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  Speaker 1: to the tea for her fans, and she was out
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  Speaker 1: in a flannel gown with knee socks and no underwear.
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  Speaker 1: Did they do a rape kit on Natalie? Do you know?
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  Speaker 1: I was told by UM detectives Hernandez and Low that
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  Speaker 1: there was no rape kick. UM, there were no fingernail clippings.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, Wow, that's really odd because that standard procedure. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I was then told later that there was a rape
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  Speaker 1: kit and there were fingernail clippings, and somehow they're not accessible.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knows anything about it. So who do you believe?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I really told you that there was
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  Speaker 1: a rape kit and nail. UM. An attorney contacted me personally,
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  Speaker 1: not terribly long ago, who has been UM speaking to
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  Speaker 1: various people that he knows. UM. He told me what
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  Speaker 1: else was odd to you that you learned about the
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  Speaker 1: night Natalie's round? Um? Well, many things. UM. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: Natalie would never, never, in a million years, for any
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  Speaker 1: reason of any type, leave her boat not dressed, not dressed.
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  Speaker 1: She with wolf socks on Natalie always had cold feet
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  Speaker 1: and hands on the boat. It was intensified. She used
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  Speaker 1: to keep wolf socks to sleep, to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Um she would have never gotten into the dinghy for
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  Speaker 1: any reason. She would never have gone out to tie
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  Speaker 1: it up. That's why they had a captain on board.
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  Speaker 1: He did all that. Um It. Somebody doesn't suddenly change
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: their personality their behaviors in a day. That's not Natalie.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: She would not have done that. Um hit. There is
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: no earthly way. It's ludicrous to think otherwise. Do you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: recall at the wake that Robert Wagner was he said,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I've got to talk to you. I've got to know
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: what happened. And according to one story I heard, he
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: turned around, looked at you and said, I'm sorry. I'm
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: sorry he did. I went upstairs r J. Um, I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: didn't see him, and I said, where's r J? And
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: suddenly sat upstairs. So I went upstairs into their bedroom
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and he was sitting on the edge of the bed
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and I said, r J, what the hell happened? What happened?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And he said it was an accident. Please please believe me.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And then somebody grabbed me by the arm.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know who, and said leave alone, just leave alone.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And so I left, I went, I went back downstairs.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: What is Walkin? Never said about this Christopher Walking? Nothing?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing, He's never said a word. I understand he
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: passed a polygraph Christopher Walking, Ah good. No, I don't
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: think he had anything to do with anything. I don't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: think that would go into Robert Wagner wouldn't because people,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: why is that interesting? If you have something to hide,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you do so. If you have nothing to hide. When
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I go through the security check at the airport, you
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: know we've got to pack you down, go for it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It's is there anything I can do to help to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: make this easier? Is there anything I can say? Is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: there anything I can do? That's what an innocent person does.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: In all the years that Natalie has been gone, do
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you ever feel that she has trying to contact you
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: or you have heard from her? I don't know. I've
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I've had strange dreams, UM, I had one strange occurrence
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that I don't know. UM. I would I would love
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to believe that she has, but I don't know it
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: would It would be great if if she had, UM.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I know she wouldn't be happy, you know, And I've
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: never how I've been somehow um made some sort of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: bad guy. Just absolutely astounds me, since I've never done anything.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that they have
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: essentially reopened the case. I didn't reopen the case. Know.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: What do you say to the fact that police have
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: said they have reopened the case? What do I say
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to that? I don't buy any of the circumstances with
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: which she passed away by by none? Uh? Dennis de
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Verne used to call me late at night, drunk, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: this was maybe ten years after Natalie passed, maybe not
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: quite that long, maybe four years, five years, UM, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: say you know that he knows what happened, and he
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: was there and he he did this, and he did that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And I used to say, Dennis, go go to the authorities.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And he'd say, I can't because he felt guilty too.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And he'd say, I can tell you everything because you'll,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you know, you'll hate everybody. And I said, just tell me,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and he he would tell me enough and then he
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: would stop, UM and wouldn't tell me everything ever. But
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: he said that there was a bad fight. UM. R
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: J has changed his story story twice, and r J
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: denied that to my faith, which then I said, you
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: changed your story, goes Oh, I never changed my story.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yes he did. He said in one book that the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: there was no wine bottle, he didn't break a wine bottle,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: there was no argument, everything was fine. And suddenly he
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: writes another book and then there he says he got
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: upset and jealous and and accused Christopher Walking of cheating
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, Natalie cheating and this and that and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: broke a wine bottle. Um that sounds to me like
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a difference in a story. And I'm not. I I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: can't tell you. It's like, um, I just I just
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: find this all bizarre and horrendous. You know what's interesting, though,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: is that the captain of the yacht passed a polygraph.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And he also says that he believes Robert Wagner is
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: quite responsible for Natalie's death. That's what Dennis de Verne says. Yes,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that's what he has said to me as well. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I think it wasn't until Dennis started calling that I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: then sat my mom down and said, you know, we
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: started adding long talks, and I thought, oh, dear, can
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you see, I honestly, from my heart, never wanted to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: believe that r J would ever do anything to harm Natalie.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to believe that this is a member
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: of my family. Well, I've known since I was a
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: kid that I don't want to think something like that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of him. Um So I it didn't enter my mind.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't want it to. I didn't want it to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: when Dennis started calling. But it was Dennis's calls, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: he sounded so miserable. Um. I gave him the name
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: of an FBI agent that I knew personally. I said,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you can go to this man. He's terrific. He can
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: help you, he can get the ball rolling. You can feel,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you know, comfortable with him. And he wouldn't Dennis wouldn't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: do it. And I said, well, then I don't you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do to help. I don't know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But he felt burdened, He felt guilty because he felt
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that he, you know, should have raised the flag sooner.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And he said that r J would not allow him
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to turn on the lights. R J wouldn't allow him
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to call Harbor on the spotlights. Yeah, I look out
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: on the water and radio for help. But Wagner told
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: him they would wait to see if she returned. That
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Wagner port a drink for the both of them and
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: talked to him about how important it was not to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: tarnish he is Robert Wagner's image right. The Captain has
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: made it clear, he says Wagner was involved in Natalie's death.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: He has told me the same thing. You know what,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I obviously I wasn't there. I only know how my
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: sister would think and would behave and would react that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I can respond to if anybody asked that make the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: children with them on the Thanksgiving cruise. Um. Natasha had
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: made plans to go from the night out of a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: friend's house to have one child alone. I don't know
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that kind of hampers any kind of you know, just
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: relaxing and and adults being together. Um, I don't know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I was just wondering the idea was it was it
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner. Don't they leave the children assure while he
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: takes Natalie out? And I think it was just there again,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it was the way plans had been made. Um. You know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Natalie thought a lot of Christopher as an actor. She
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was delighted to have met him and be working with him,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and she wanted to share that with R. J. You know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: here meeting my family, this is my husband. Get to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: know each other. You know, we're we're in the middle
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of making a movie. It's terrific. Acting meant the world
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to Natalie, but her kids meant more. What do you
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: know about whether the drug Darvon, which is a pain reliever,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a pain and prescription pain pill, had was in her system.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't know Natalie took pain killers, but no, it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: um from my understanding from the top, it was not
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: in her system. It was in her medicine cabinet. Interesting
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: with me. The sister of Natalie Wood, Launa Would, her
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: beloved younger sister who to this day is demanding answers.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: As are we. Lanna Wood as always a pleasure, my friend.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend. Crime Stories
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace presents another episode in our continuing focus
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: on the Natalie Would death mystery Tomorrow