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The Minnesota Vikings are 4-0, but how do we feel about it? | TSH Ep. 158 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right hey vikings fans welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the school hop i'm evan i'm austin we're just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from iowa we like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: and talking about the vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we do and it's october fest time and you
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  Speaker 2: know what we had a great one from one of
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  Speaker 2: our favorites five cities.
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  Speaker 1: Brewing it was great you know what we also did
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  Speaker 1: we also dissected the vikings 15 to 10 win over
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  Speaker 1: the dolphins in week four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was fun uh we also we actually got
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  Speaker 2: some like in-season news for the vikings.
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  Speaker 1: That we got to talk about for a I also
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  Speaker 1: went on a little bit of a rant about leaves
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. So if you want to skip over that,
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  Speaker 1: no worries.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've said also about six times now. So also,
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  Speaker 2: if you stick around long enough through the leaf conversation,
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  Speaker 2: you'll eventually hear our thoughts on the week five matchup
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  Speaker 2: against the Cheetin' Aints.
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  Speaker 1: So also, grab a cold one and join us for
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  Speaker 1: episode 158 of the Skolop.
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  Speaker 2: Skol? Skol. Evan, let's drink some beer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do that. I feel like we both, not in
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  Speaker 2: a bad way, I feel like we both need a
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  Speaker 2: beer right now.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely could use one.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, I picked up the beer tonight. Second
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  Speaker 2: week in a row, we're having one of our favorites,
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  Speaker 2: Five Cities.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This one is their Oktoberfest. I don't think I've had
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  Speaker 2: this year's version of their Oktoberfest.
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  Speaker 1: I have, and it's good. I think you'll like it.
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  Speaker 1: I bought it for myself like two weeks ago. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there you go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I've had their Oktoberfest, and I can't
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  Speaker 2: imagine they change it every year, but I haven't had
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  Speaker 2: it this year, so I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: Let's pour them up. Let's try them out. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: had this in a glass. I really only had it.
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  Speaker 1: out of a can and I may have had it
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  Speaker 1: on draft once or twice at the brewery. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably the best place to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but it's good out of the can too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Always this.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go. Jeez. That was a good one. Yep. Just
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  Speaker 1: like I remember it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a, just a solid Oktoberfest. Um, we would need
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  Speaker 2: front of the show forest to tell us whether it's
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  Speaker 2: a Martson or a fest beer. and then what the
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  Speaker 2: difference is, and that some of them call themselves one
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  Speaker 2: of them, but they're really the other one. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It just tastes like a good fall Oktoberfest.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good fall beer. It's a little malty, but
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  Speaker 1: it's got a little bit of sweetness to it as well.
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  Speaker 1: It's not super see-through, but it's also not completely hazy either.
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  Speaker 1: It's just got a good color. It's got a full body.
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  Speaker 1: It's got some good head on it. I like this
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  Speaker 1: beer a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 5.9%, which I feel like, Is on the kind
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  Speaker 2: of higher side for Oktoberfest. They're usually right around the
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  Speaker 2: mid fives, maybe. So it's right there. But lawnmower scale, six, seven.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. You're going to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We'll go six, seven. It's, you know, the high lawnmower
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  Speaker 2: scale ones are pretty like light beers. This one is
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  Speaker 2: more full flavored than just your average light beer. So
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  Speaker 2: that's probably... taking it down on the lawnmower scale a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, but it's still really solid. Like I would
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  Speaker 2: very much enjoy some of these after mowing the lawn,
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  Speaker 2: but not too much more mowing the lawn at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're almost at leaf collection weather. So I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Have a tree in my yard. I actually, I have
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  Speaker 2: a tree that I've been trying to grow and it's working,
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  Speaker 2: but it's, it's two or three years old. So it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's a little guy.
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  Speaker 1: Just a little guy, just a little guy. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a Kyler tree.
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  Speaker 2: Um, my wife made the mistake. The other Kyler tree,
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  Speaker 2: it's a Kyler murd tree. My wife made the mistake
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  Speaker 2: the other day of saying like, yeah, we don't have
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  Speaker 2: a tree. I was like, hold on. We have a tree.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I've been growing this thing in a pot
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  Speaker 2: from a sapling. Anyways, my whole point was I don't
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  Speaker 2: have like a leaf dumping tree. This thing grows like
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  Speaker 2: 20 leaves.
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  Speaker 1: Do you get leaves from your neighbor's trees though?
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  Speaker 2: My next door neighbor, who's awesome, she has just this giant,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a huge just oak tree. And it just...
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  Speaker 2: has all the leaves in the history of the world
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  Speaker 2: and it dumps. And every time it dumps leaves, my
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  Speaker 2: yard's covered, her yard's covered, the whole neighborhood's covered. And
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  Speaker 2: then you look at the tree and it's still full
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  Speaker 2: of leaves. So there's like four waves of getting all
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  Speaker 2: these leaves down. So I have that to look forward to.
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  Speaker 2: But the kids like it and it's not like my
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  Speaker 2: neighbor can help it. So it's not a big deal,
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  Speaker 2: but we're about there.
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  Speaker 1: No, I've got a lot of trees in my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: I've got two in my own yard and then I
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  Speaker 1: probably got like 30 other trees around me so i'm
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  Speaker 1: always busy with leaves in the fall this would be
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic beer to grab after i'm done with a
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  Speaker 1: day's worth of leaf work yep and i come in
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  Speaker 1: i want to sit down and watch some football we
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  Speaker 1: got the fireplace going on yeah this is this is
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  Speaker 1: it this is what i want to grab right here.
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  Speaker 2: Are you a are you a leaf bagger or a
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  Speaker 2: leaf mulcher.
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  Speaker 1: I've done it a few different ways um Can I
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  Speaker 1: go on a little bit of a rant for a minute?
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  Speaker 2: People have already stopped listening.
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to go for it.
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  Speaker 2: We are a Vikings podcast, but we're talking beer and
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  Speaker 2: leaves right now.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to football in a minute, but let me
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  Speaker 1: rant about our municipality for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. The brown paper bag, yard waste bags are the
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  Speaker 1: worst thing on the face of the planet when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to yard work. They're the worst. Yeah. Not only
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  Speaker 1: is there the capitalistic effort on these businesses to sell
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  Speaker 1: them to you, you have to buy them, but they're
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  Speaker 1: impossible to use. In order to open them, you have
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  Speaker 1: to literally get inside of them to open them up.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have one of the.
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  Speaker 1: I have one of those, yes.
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  Speaker 2: The cardboard foldable things that go in?
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  Speaker 1: But there's another thing that I had to buy in
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  Speaker 1: order to make this work.
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  Speaker 2: Those are like $ 3. Anyways, keep going. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not. Well then, if you put anything even
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  Speaker 1: remotely pokey or sharp in there, you're going to get
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  Speaker 1: holes in it. If you leave them outside and it rains,
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  Speaker 1: they're wet, the bottom falls out, you're toast. You can't
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  Speaker 1: really put wet grass clippings in there because the bottom
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  Speaker 1: will fall out. You can't put them in your garage
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  Speaker 1: because they smell.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's just so many things wrong with them.
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  Speaker 2: Do you ever just throw them in your garbage bin?
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  Speaker 1: No. Me neither.
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  Speaker 2: I totally don't either.
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  Speaker 1: I think you do. I have the benefit of like
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of like a ravine and a creek
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  Speaker 1: in the backyard. And so I kind of just like
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  Speaker 1: there's some weeds over there and I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: sprinkle the stuff over there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But no, they're the worst. The yard waste bags, disposable
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  Speaker 1: yard waste bags. And I get it. From an ecological standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: they can throw them in the back of the truck.
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  Speaker 1: They can bring them out to the landfill. They decompose nicely.
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  Speaker 1: But I come from Cedar Falls where they had a
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  Speaker 1: third bin. You had trash recycling and then you had
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  Speaker 1: yard waste. All of them were bins. And you had
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  Speaker 1: to find a place for three bins, which was kind
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  Speaker 1: of annoying. Yeah. I paid $ 10 every time that was emptied.
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  Speaker 1: So if I didn't empty it, I didn't have to
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  Speaker 1: pay for it. The city made a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: money on it. And that money was, I'm sure, used
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  Speaker 1: to replenish the stock. And like if somebody's broke or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: you could replace it. Or it blew away because we
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  Speaker 1: had a 70 mile an hour wind gust or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But I could pile that thing full of leaves. And
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  Speaker 1: then I could get in it, stomp the leaves down,
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  Speaker 1: and pile more leaves in there. And I could cram
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  Speaker 1: that thing full of leaves and I could do like
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  Speaker 1: all of my leaves. Granted, I didn't have as many
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  Speaker 1: trees there as I do here, but at that house
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  Speaker 1: I could get my whole leaf work done in like
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  Speaker 1: one load of the thing. I'd pay $ 10. It would
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  Speaker 1: get carried away.
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  Speaker 2: Evan, what I think we're witnessing here and school hop
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  Speaker 2: listeners here. World men? No, no, no, no. I think
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  Speaker 2: this is bigger than that. Evan, I think you're, you're
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  Speaker 2: taking the first step towards becoming a leader in this community.
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  Speaker 2: I expect you to run for office before too long.
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  Speaker 1: I have thought about bringing this. Actually, a friend of ours,
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  Speaker 1: his brother is a city councilman. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you know that. A high school friend of ours.
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  Speaker 2: A Bears fan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, they had flaws. That's okay. But I have
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  Speaker 1: thought about bringing this to his attention. Like, hey, did
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  Speaker 1: you know that this could actually benefit the city and
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  Speaker 1: its residents? And it's not that hard. And it would
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  Speaker 1: be a whole lot easier.
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  Speaker 2: I think our neighboring city does that. they have those bins.
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  Speaker 1: Davenport. Yeah. Yeah. We do not here in Bettendorf. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's frustrating. Anyways, we can be done with that rant.
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  Speaker 2: We almost need to like get those timestamps and just
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  Speaker 2: be like, Hey guys, like really quick, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about leaves for a minute. Just skip ahead to
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  Speaker 2: this timestamp. And then there you go. So that's probably
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  Speaker 2: not going to happen. Cause that would require a few
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  Speaker 2: minutes of production value here, but sorry guys, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for listening to one of the reasons leaf hour.
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  Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I would want a beer
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  Speaker 1: after all that is because it's so frustrating. This would
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  Speaker 1: be a good beer.
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  Speaker 2: This Five Cities Oktoberfest would be a good after-leaf beer.
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  Speaker 2: We have a new category. There's the lawn mowing scale
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  Speaker 2: and then the leaf blowing scale. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Anyways.
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  Speaker 2: Purple punishments.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to spin the wheel. That's the good news.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know how you feel about 4-0. But
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  Speaker 1: 4-0 feels a little iffy for me right now.
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  Speaker 2: Are you upset?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not upset. I'm excited that the Vikings are 4-0.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be clear about that. But it feels like this
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  Speaker 1: 4-0 is a very, it feels like the foundation under
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  Speaker 1: that 4-0 start is shaky at best. And I'm concerned
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  Speaker 1: about the longevity of this team.
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  Speaker 2: I see where you are, and I was that mindset
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  Speaker 2: a few days ago. But a revelation came to me,
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  Speaker 2: and it kind of changed my mindset.
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested to know this.
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  Speaker 2: Football, for the most part, it's a three-legged system. Offense, defense,
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  Speaker 2: special teams. And we always think of it in that order. Offense,
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  Speaker 2: then defense, then special teams. We want– we think of
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: a good football team as one that is able to
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: score– 30, 40, 50 points every week. We very quickly,
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  Speaker 2: unless it's the 2022 Vikings and they're the heart attack
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  Speaker 2: kids and they're winning by two points, you know, a
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: single score every week. And they're notorious for letting the
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: other team score within, you know, the final two minutes
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  Speaker 2: of each half all the time. We quickly forget that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll remember, hey, the offense scored 40 points this week,
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  Speaker 2: or 38 points, or 39 points in the biggest comeback
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  Speaker 2: in NFL history. But we quickly forget, like, oh yeah,
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: well they only won by 4 points, 6 points, maybe
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  Speaker 2: 10 points. Like, the other team scored 2. What we're
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  Speaker 2: getting right now, this version of the Vikings, kind of
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: reminds me in some ways of those elite Peyton Manning
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  Speaker 2: era Colts teams. And what I mean by that is
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  Speaker 2: Peyton Manning and the Colts, they won a lot of games.
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  Speaker 2: They were one of the best teams for a decade
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  Speaker 2: or so. They won a Super Bowl. Great team. But
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  Speaker 2: Peyton Manning was scoring, and his offense were scoring tons
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  Speaker 2: of points. But what we forget is for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: their defense was never that great. Sure, they had Bob
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Sanders at one point, Dwight Free. They had guys on defense,
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  Speaker 2: and it was overall a good team.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't Pat Anger on?
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  Speaker 2: He was late. I think Pat Anger's rookie year was
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  Speaker 2: the year that Peyton Manning had that he basically sat
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: out the year because he had the neck thing, and
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  Speaker 2: it was his last year as a Colt.
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  Speaker 1: Before he went to Denver?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they were teammates for a year, but
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: they'd never like– played on yeah we're actually playing together
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  Speaker 2: so i might be wrong but i think that's how
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: it worked out um but my point is that you
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: know super bowl winning team and yeah they won it
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  Speaker 2: once i think they lost it once um they they
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  Speaker 2: were an offensively driven team scored a lot of points
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  Speaker 2: but also they needed to score a lot of points
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  Speaker 2: the vikings this year right now it's not great not
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  Speaker 2: great bob um It's not super fun. It's really frustrating,
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  Speaker 2: and when the quarterback throws for 120 yards, which he
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: didn't this week, we'll talk about that, it's really frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: They get sacked all the time, and Justin Jefferson only
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  Speaker 2: has 100 or so yards in a season through four games.
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  Speaker 2: It's frustrating, and we take that to mean this team sucks,
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  Speaker 2: and we caveat it with, well, yeah, they're 4-0, but
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  Speaker 2: it's only because the defense is so good. Well, Did
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: they caveat that for those Colts teams when they were saying,
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, they're 15-1. Didn't they go 15-1 one year
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  Speaker 2: or something like that? Yeah, but it's only because the
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: offense is so good. Nobody was really mad about that.
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  Speaker 2: You quickly forget and you're like, yeah, we scored 40 points.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: We are in a world where we're frustrated because, oh dang,
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  Speaker 2: we only scored 15 points. But when the other team
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  Speaker 2: is only going to score 10 points, it doesn't matter really.
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  Speaker 1: On average, if you take the Vikings points allowed, which
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  Speaker 1: is 51, which is a league-leading defensive points allowed, 51
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  Speaker 1: points allowed, you extrapolate that over four games, that's 12.75 points.
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  Speaker 1: So on average, the Vikings opponents aren't scoring more than
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: a touchdown and a field goal, really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because week one was weird. They... let the packers
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: what was it 22 points or 23 points um week
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  Speaker 2: two against the bears was super weird you'd throw the
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: game away but they still only led up three points
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: um week three against the buccaneers was like 16 points
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: and then obviously against the the dolphins this week the
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: vikings won 15 to 10 so based on that average
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: if this defense can keep up with this pace which
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: you can never really count on but Um, one nice
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: thing about this defense is they're not relying on turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like they are only good when they get
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: two turnovers. And one of those is a pick six. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we've seen Vikings teams where it's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, this defense is great, but man, they really
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: rely on turnovers, which is not sustainable for a defense. Um,
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  Speaker 2: but right now, yeah, they got two turnovers against the
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  Speaker 2: Buccaneers two weeks ago. But one was an interception on
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: a throwaway ball that was a fourth down anyway, so
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: it would have been a turnover on downs. And the
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  Speaker 2: other one was that final play of the game, Hail Mary,
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  Speaker 2: where Isaiah Rogers caught that interception. He could have batted
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: it down. It would have been the same outcome. The
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  Speaker 2: Vikings didn't need two pick sixes to win that game.
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  Speaker 2: But this defense, if they can keep it up, then
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: this offense only needs to average two touchdowns, maybe two
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  Speaker 2: touchdowns and a field goal to win every week. You're
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: just saying what's their average is like 12.5 points allowed
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: every week.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Pretty much. Yeah.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: You score two touchdowns. You're above that average as an
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: offense and you're going to win. So it's really frustrating.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I think what makes it feel deflating is that we,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: we feel like this isn't going to be sustainable. So
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: eventually the offense is going to be in a point
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: where they need to score 35 points like week one,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: and they're not going to be able to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: But so far, they keep winning. And we can complain,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: but they keep winning.
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  Speaker 1: And let's not forget, the Vikings didn't score two touchdowns
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: against the Dolphins. Their 15 points came all off the
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  Speaker 1: leg of Will Riker.
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  Speaker 2: Will the thrill.
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  Speaker 1: Five field goals. So, yeah, they scored 15 points, but
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  Speaker 1: all 15 of those points were Will's points. They weren't
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: the offense. And so the offense put the team in
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: position to be able to kick those field goals. And
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Will wasn't kicking these, like, miraculously long field goals that
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: were record-setting.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Not record-setting, but they weren't 20-yarders.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: No, but I think two of them were, like, 30-some yards.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I think one of them was a 40-yarder, and I
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: think one of them was a 50-something yarder, if I'm right.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I think you're right, yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think he had a
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: little bit of a range in that game, and you're
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: going to have that when you're kicking five field goals
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: in the game. That's just, like, natural. But... I still think,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and you, you kind of furthered my point a little
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: bit that like, yes, it feels good to be four
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: and oh, and yes, you know, we could look at the,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the Peyton Manning Colts and play that same card. Well,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you know, nobody was talking about the defense back then.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Their offense was just lights out. And, um, obviously this
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Vikings offense is under heavy criticism right now. I think
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you have to balance some of that out with, this
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: is an offense heavy league. Um, quarterbacks are some of
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the highest paid players in this league.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: The head coach is an offensively minded head coach.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yep um and yeah i i don't know i i
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: just think at some point the vikings hit a wall
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and they're not going to be able to overcome that
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: wall until they get some things figured out again am
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: i mad am i doom and gloom no um You
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: were doom and gloom.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: A couple weeks ago. I am very quick to be
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: doom and gloom. You are.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Very quick. And I think that's why this is good
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: that we're recording on Wednesday, because you're a little bit
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: more positive. If we were to record on Mondays like
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: we used to, it'd be.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: You'd be talking me off the ledge every week. Especially
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the couple Mondays ago and hours before we would have
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: recorded the Vikings traded JJ McCarthy away. That would have
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: been interesting.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, that would have been fun. But all that to say...
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: The sky's not falling. The Vikings are 4-0. That's a
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: great start to the season. A better start than either
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of us predicted. And I'm excited about that. Let's talk
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: about roses and thorns from this Dolphins game. Who do
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you give a rose to?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: So my rose, I have a name down for this rose,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: but it's really more of an idea. So give me
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: just a minute here. My rose, I just wrote down
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: TJ Hawkinson. A few reasons.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Elaborate.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously TJ had a great game. Definitely a
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: great second half. He got over 100 yards. Crap, I
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: was going to have the stats pulled up. It was
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: like 118 yards or something like that. Give me just
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: a second. He played great.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: 119. Oh, I was really close.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And he did the job when he needed to. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: maybe we can touch on this a little bit later,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: but I think sound, calm minds would agree that at
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the end, when he knelt down instead of scoring the touchdown,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that was ultimately the right decision. It wasn't very fun,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and it would have made for a 22-10 victory for
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the Vikings, which would have felt a little bit better,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: but it just wasn't very fun. But it was the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: right move. Anyways, TJ Hawkinson is my biggest rose, but
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it's really more the idea that he was the guy
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that was making the catches, him and Jordan Addison. But
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: kind of the whole offense in those final two drives,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the second to last drive, the Vikings offense ended up
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: kicking a field goal to go up 15 to 10.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And then the final drive was the nail in the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: coffin drive where they they drove it down the field,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: bled the clock, and then they could have scored. Um,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: but ultimately for game management, they decided not to. Um,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: but those two drives, Kyler Murray was 13 of 14
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: for something like 120 yards passing in just those two drives.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: The offense was moving a little bit. Um, obviously TJ
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Hawkinson was getting going a little bit. First time we've
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: seen him get going like that in a long time. Um,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But it just made me feel a little bit better about, hey,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: when the Vikings need to, when Kyler Murray needs to,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: at least now we've seen it. At least now he's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: put it on tape in a purple uniform with this team,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: with this coach, with this scheme, that it's in him.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It's in him. It's in the offensive line who was
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: banged up. At that point, I think Christian Derrissaw had
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: already left for the second time. Um, Donovan Jackson will
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: hit on, but he's done for the year with a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: knee injury. Um, all of that had already happened. You're
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: playing with Vandermark. You're playing with Joe Huber on the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: offensive line. Justin Jefferson wasn't in. Um, it was just,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: it was another game where the offense wasn't doing much,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: but then they showed something when they had to. Uh,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: so that's my, my biggest rose is that at least
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: we know it's in there a little bit.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: One pushback, uh, And it's not TJ's fault necessarily. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: think it's just the way that the offense is schemed.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But TJ cropped up as this check down merchant almost.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And that's a little bit concerning when you've got some
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: great weapons. You brought in Jawan Jennings and you already
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: have Jordan Addison. It doesn't matter if Justin Jefferson is out.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: If you can't find those two guys downfield.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. People are going to yell
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: at you. You're not saying Justin Jefferson's nothing. You're saying
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the Vikings have enough weapons that even if they miss
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson for a game, it should be okay.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: And Justin Jefferson isn't a part of the point I'm
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: when Justin Jefferson is in, the opposing defenses have no
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: choice but to double somebody really in coverage. And that
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: leaves somebody open. And we saw that Jordan Addison had
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: this huge emergence because they would double Justin Jefferson. Well,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Now they kind of have to treat Jordan Addison the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: same way because he's proven to be just as effective.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised Jawan Jennings hasn't.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Had more looks.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised about that because of that same effect. They're
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: going to drape Jordan Addison in coverage. What kind of
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: concerned me with TJ Hawkinson in this game against the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Dolphins was he was this check down merchant. And I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: use that term intentionally, and it's kind of got a
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: negative connotation to it on purpose because Kyler, and we
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: saw him do this, we've seen him do this for
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: three weeks in a row now, two weeks in a row.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz played three weeks ago. He just, he holds
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: onto the ball and he holds onto the ball and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: he holds onto the ball. And I think he got
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: sacked so many times that Kevin O'Connell was finally just like, dude,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you've got to find those check down routes. Like we have,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we have these, these check downs for you to go to,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to bail you out. You either need to check down
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: or you need to throw it out of bounds. And we,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: we started to see him do that a little bit more.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: He was throwing it out of bounds when he got
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in trouble. And then late in this game, he's checking
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: down to TJ, checking down to TJ. And TJ is
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a good enough player to rack up some yards after catch,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: bully his way down, get a first down or whatever
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: we need. Um, and I think that's a good piece
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to the puzzle, but I don't think that's the, like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that's not the silver bullet that's going to get us
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: into the playoffs and to the promised land of, you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: a late playoff push and a Superbowl run, you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: is it good? Yes, it's good. I'm not saying it's bad.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that can't be the crutch that they
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: lean on the rest of the season. We need Justin
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Jefferson to get healthy. Um, We need to keep pounding
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the run game and we can't just lean on the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: passing game to get us through these games. We need
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Aaron Jones. We need Jordan Mason to get healthy again.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: We need that two-headed running attack to be healthy. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you need to use your tight end. And I'm glad
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that we maybe kind of unlocked part of that offense
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in this game against the Dolphins. I hope that that
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: relationship between Kyler and TJ is now like, all right,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I know that I've got a, B and C, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I've got you here as well. And it's a check
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: down thing, but I think they can also then scheme
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: out of those check downs and get him into some other,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: like he's the primary target on those routes, those, those
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: deeper crossing routes and stuff that tight ends typically run.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: That's a long winded thing to say. Like I'm concerned
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: about it right now, but if, if they, if they
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: use it the right way and we get some guys
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: back healthy and, and playing, I think that could be
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a really useful tool in the utility belt of this
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: offense that I think KLC is trying to figure out
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: how to build right now.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And you're absolutely right. I agree with you on all
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: those points, but I will say it's probably not, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: super dire situation now because at least we've seen those checkdowns.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: We weren't even seeing those checkdowns a couple weeks ago.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what I'm trying to say.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And as a part of those final two drives, one
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of the bigger plays of those two drives was that
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: 27-yard pass from Murray to Addison where we haven't seen
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray throw to a guy who was about to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: be open. All this season, if he completes a pass,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: it was to a guy who was open when he
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: threw the ball or who.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: it was the easy, it was a timing.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: He knew that X, Y, and Z was going to happen.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Jordan Addison was going to pop out and boom, he
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: puts the ball there. He'll be open.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: But that was really one of the first times we've
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: seen Kyler Murray throw somebody open or get there. You
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: feel the play happen and react as it was happening.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a key part of KOC's offense too,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: is those timing routes. We, how many times did we
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: see Kirk Cousins connect with Justin Jefferson on those? They'd
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: read the coverage and, And Justin Jefferson would go out,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and Kirk would just put it there, and we're all
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: sitting there like, no, no, no. Oh, yeah. There you go.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: That famous catch, the fourth and, what, 18 or whatever,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: against the Bills, where Justin had no business catching that ball,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: but he did. And that was just, hey, good on good,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: throwing it up. So you're absolutely right. Everything you said
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: was right, and I know you weren't trying to crap
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: on the team, but my rose was that, even with
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: all that in mind, at least we've seen a little bit.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Somebody tweeted a picture from the movie Hook, where it
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: was one of the kids going up to Peter Pan,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Robin Williams, and touching his face. And they're like, there
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you are, Peter. And somebody tweeted and was like, oh,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: there you are, TJ Hawkinson. And it just made me smile.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Because the second reason I chose him as a Rose was, one,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: he played really well. And two, I'm a Hawkinson fan.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I just like that dude. And he gets a lot
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: of flack because he's a past catching tight end who
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: has been asked to do a lot of blocking in
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Hasn't really been the same
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: guy on the stat sheet since that dirty hit from
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: those awful lions, um, who have the worst fans. Lions
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: fans are the worst fans in all of sports. Um,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: but yeah, TJ's finally like, Oh, there he is. You
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: said he's like Samsonite in the Bible. Like he cut
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: his hair and now his power is growing as his
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: hair is growing back. So it's just, Good enough to
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: be my rose this week.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: It's like your beard. Your beard's slowly growing back.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did cut it a few, what, a month
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: or two ago?
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a month ago.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And it's a terrible decision. It's starting to.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, I feel like I got to sneeze.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. Don't.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Don't.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I think you're good.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think you're good.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Evan, we spent a lot of time on beer and
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: leaves and my rose. Now we're to your rose.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: My rose is simply the fact that the Vikings won
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a game that they were supposed to win. they were
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: 10 and a half point favorites going into this game
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: against the dolphins. It was a home game. The dolphins
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: aren't very good. Um, and however they got the win,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they got the win. Right. And I think that's just
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a rose at this point for this team, right? Like
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: we both had it in our preseason picks before we
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: knew anything about what was going to develop with the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: quarterback situation and these other players. We didn't know Justin
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Jefferson was going to be out for this game. Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: all that other stuff, the Vikings won a game that
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: they were supposed to win. And that's a good feeling.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Like when you're a home favorite, you should probably win
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: those games, especially when you're a big home favorite. Ten points,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that's a big deal in Vegas.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And we'll talk about it a little bit later, but
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: in this upcoming game, as a road team against the Saints,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: at least today when I looked, the Vikings are a
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: slight favorite.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Keep winning when you're supposed to.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yep. And I think that kind of ties back to
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: your point a little bit. This team is good, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: we can't get hung up. I can't get hung up
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: on the inefficiencies in the offense, the inconsistencies in the offense.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I think we need to find some, I don't know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: what the term is. We need to find a, we
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: need to find some homeostasis with the offense, right? Like
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: we need to find this spot where like we just,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: we can click and we can groove and it doesn't
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: feel like we're there yet. It feels like we've seen
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: glimpses of that with Kyler. We saw glimpses of that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz too. And I think that's a big
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle is who's the starting quarterback It
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: seems like Kyler's going to be.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: They're sticking with Kyler, as much as I complained on
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Twitter during the game, obviously before the final two drives,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: but yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I think he's the guy for now, anyways, until he
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: royally messes it up. Hopefully that doesn't happen. But that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: my roast. They won a game that they were supposed
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to win, and I feel good about that. We're 4-0. Absolutely.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: All right, Thorns. We'll just keep talking about it. Just
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the offense. As much as I like the final two drives...
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: took until the final two drives against this just awful
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: dolphins team now since the game i have seen like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: hey the dolphins been playing teams pretty pretty tight this
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: year yeah mahomes it's not like he lit it up
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: against them like they're oh and four um but their
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: defense is not the worst of the worst and they're
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: still professionals too um I think there was a rookie
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago that was asked, like, hey,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: what's the biggest difference of college and NFL? And it
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: wasn't a Vikings rookie. I couldn't tell you who it was,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: but he was basically like, oh, yeah, when you're in college,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you can play a bad team, and they're just bad.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: These guys aren't going to– they're not football players. They're
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: not professional football players. But when you play in the NFL,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: even the worst teams have pro bowlers. They're still professional
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: football players. So even the Dolphins will have a pro
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: bowler this year. So– Yeah. The offense, though, it didn't
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: do it for me this week.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: And it's not the Dolphins' defense. The Dolphins' defense is
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: actually pretty good. If you look at points allowed versus
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: points scored, the Dolphins are last in the league by
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: nine points in points scored.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: They are dead last in the league. But points against,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: they're not last, and they're not last by a long ways. Like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: they're not the greatest defense on the face of the planet,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: but they're– at least doing something to prevent opposing teams
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: from getting in the end zone. And they did that
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: to the Vikings. We didn't get in the end zone once.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: We scored five field goals.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: They came close. They were like two yards away.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Came close.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: If they needed those points, they would have walked it in.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Kudos again to TJ Hawkinson, though, for not getting greedy.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, that would have been a nice stat, another
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: touchdown on his record.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It sounds like that was a part of the play call.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It was. Like, hey. I think KOC basically said there's
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: like a term when they, they call the play. So
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: it's whatever the play call is, you know, the formation
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of words. And then the final word is whatever this
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: term is. That means like, Hey, if you like, don't score, like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and basically if you hear that, I think somebody said
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: what it was like Rolex or whatever. Like if you
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: hear that word, get down, get down. And so kudos
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to him, but it's not like he had TJ had
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: this idea out of, out of the blue, knowing, oh,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I know this on my own. Like, it was a
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: coaching thing.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: But it's still, like, it's, you still give kudos to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the guy because in the moment, even if the coach
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: says don't do it, you still have every right to
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And nothing's stopping him.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the goal line's right there, and he could have scored.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure TJ has some, like, touchdown claws in
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: his contract. Like, if you hit, you know, so many catches,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: so many yards, so many touchdowns, you get, you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: extra money. So I'm sure it was really hard to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: not score, but ultimately it meant that the Vikings with
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a first down the ball and, you know, the dolphins
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: not being able to stop the clock, like it guaranteed
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: a victory.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: But I think to your point, this offense has to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: find a way to get in the end zone and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you can't go this long of a stretch without scoring
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a touchdown. Like that's frustrating.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, against the Buccaneers, the offense didn't even take
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a snap in the red zone. Like that's not sustainable. That, that,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: can't happen so um hopefully maybe having an offensively minded
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: uh head coach and a healthy justin jefferson and if
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: they can get the run game going um who knows
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: maybe saquon saquon barkley can help with that i don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: know um at least there's some hope in that they
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: can turn this around it's not like we're sitting here
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: with a defensive minded head coach and a rookie quarterback
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that doesn't know what he's doing, and no offensive weapons,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and we're saying there's no production on offense, at least
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: there's something like, well, you'd figure Justin Jefferson will be
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: able to spark this up. A good performance from TJ
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Hawkinson will at least make defenses think twice about how
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: they'd affect the Vikings offense. So 4-0 is not a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: bad spot to be when we're having these complaints either.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So my thorn is kind of similar, and I guess
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know the breakdown– on offense versus defense but
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: my thorn is the penalties the penalties the last two
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: weeks have been just killing these drives and if i
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: had to guess and again i don't know the breakdown
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: offense defense but if i had to guess most of
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: them came on offense and most of them came from
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the offensive line um it just seems like they're shaky
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and they're jumping there were uh there was at least
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: one um, uh, what's the term? Uh, illegal formation or like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I think Jordan Addison didn't get set on
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a play and that was kind of frustrating. Like just
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: get set and then go, you know, like that has
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to be a part of what they practice. Um, you're
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: looking it up right now. I'd be interested to know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: but the penalties are just obnoxious. We, The first two
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: games of the season, the Vikings were one of the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: least penalized teams in the league. And now in games
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: three and four, they've catapulted themselves to one of the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: most penalized teams in the league. It just seems like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: they were playing sound football weeks one and two, Packers
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and Bears, and now they've gone off the rails with penalties.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And that's a thorn, in my opinion. A very prickly thorn.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Thorn absolutely so if this website's right it's nflpenalties.com so
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: i would hope it's right against the dolphin the vikings
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: 11 penalties committed 11 penalties uh for a total of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: 85 yards um eight of those were on the offense
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: for 50 yards so most of them yes yeah two
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: were on the defense for 20 yards so yeah it's
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: frustrating you can't give make it you know 50 yards
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: more difficult for your offense who my thorn is is
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: already not sustaining things as it is. So the defense,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: you know, that kind of sucks in the moment because
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: you can't really get those yards back, at least on offense.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: You can be like, well, all right, we're back five yards.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Now we just have to run five more yards. You know, like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It does seem frustrating. However, I will say,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: not to totally say that you're wrong, it does feel
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: weird that this year the Vikings have, it feels like
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: they've benefited from, penalty calls more than being, you know, against,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: you know, being diminished or whatever on their own penalty.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: So maybe it'll even out. Maybe it has evened out.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And now it's just going to be back to normal.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: That game against the Dolphins, there was an insane amount
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: of penalty. They talked on TV, like, maybe they're trying
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to break the most penalties in a half. Like, crazy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: 11 penalties for 85 yards is excessive. And that's something that, like, man,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: if you're the coach, you... you have to handle that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: in practice. Like today's Wednesday, their first day of practice
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: for the week. You know, I don't know what you
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: do for that when you're in the NFL. I don't
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: know that you're making guys run for that because that's
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: what you do in high school. You got to figure
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: something out, but there's gotta be some sort of like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: you can't continue to commit these mindless penalties. You know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you can't continue to put us in a position where
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: we could be in a spot where it's, Make or break,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: two-minute drill, end of the game, and you jump off
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: sides and now we're out of it. Yeah. Right? Like
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that can't be the case. So the penalties are a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: big deal in my opinion. And I think if they
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: can clean up the penalties, if they can continue to
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: play okay on offense, they don't have to play great.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: They need to run the ball effectively. They need to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: score a touchdown or two. This defense, this special teams
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: will be just fine.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: We'll be just fine.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: If you can kick a field goal from anywhere and
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: stop the other team from scoring any points. The formula
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: is there. This team is a few tweaks away from
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: being very good. I'm here for it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Game ball. Who are you giving it to?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: No surprise. I'm not going to belabor it. I think
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: it's the third week in a row I've given this
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: game ball to Will Reichard. He's the only guy that
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: scored points. If not for his own exact performance the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: vikings would not have scored any points the offense could
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: have gotten to the same spots on the field at
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the end of each drive that he kicked a field
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: goal if he misses those kicks vikings don't win that
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: game doesn't matter if the dolphins score 10 points 100
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: points one point like it doesn't matter will reichard he
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: is the only point scorer i think you had a
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: fun stat about that um how Will Reichardt matches up
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: with other point scorers in the league right now. He's
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: my game ball. What's that stat? Do you remember what
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: that was?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: He's at the top of the league right now in
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: terms of points scored. It's him. I lost the stat.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I had it pulled up. It's him, Jameer Gibbs.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen and one other player. They're all tied at
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the top four-way tie for first 42 points each.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And none of the other ones are kickers. Uh, Will's
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the only kicker in that list.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: And, uh, yeah, he was a special teams player of
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: the week, NFC special teams player of the week. That
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: is the third straight NFC specialty player of the week.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: The Vikings have had weeks two, three, and four now
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: to Will Reichard. Last week it was, um, Miles Price
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: for that punt return. Um, and the week before it was, uh,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Isaiah Rogers for that, that field goal block. So Viking
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: special teams are doing pretty good. And I feel like
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: last year we were not saying that because they'd have
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: a great miles price return that would come back. So
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: they were there, but it's just one guy would mess
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: it up every place. So all that to say, Will Reichardt,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: he's my game ball. Evan, who you got?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It may not seem like I would give a game
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: ball to this guy based on my previous experience. uh
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: discussion about this player but i do feel like he
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: deserves a game ball and i'm pretty sure uh koc
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: gave him one in the locker room uh tj hawkinson
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: um am i mad that he's the check down merchant
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: no i'm not mad about that i'm concerned that that's
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: not a sustainable piece to the offense i think it's
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: a key piece to the offense that needs to be
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: integrated But these other pieces like the run game, which
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the run game was okay with Aaron Jones. 94 yards
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I think he had on the ground. Not bad. You
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: get Jordan Mason back. I think that improves. The receiving
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: game improves. You get Justin Jefferson back. That opens some
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: options up. I'm not saying that TJ Hawkinson being the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: leading receiver on the team is a bad thing. But
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it's kind of one dimensional if teams know that you're
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: going to just check down all the time and they
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: take that away from you. And then you're kind of
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: powerless at that point. All of that to say, I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: think TJ played well. I think this was a big
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: momentum builder for him and for his relationship with Kyler Murray.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. And I think they need to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: build around this. I mean, I think they need to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: develop these other tools, not just, Uh, and my fear
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: again is that KOC just kind of like he has
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: success with one thing. So he just like overdoes it
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: with that one thing. And that's my fear with that. Um,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: but TJ played a great game, uh, against Miami. I'm
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: excited for him. Let's bring back the logo, man. Let's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: grow that hair back. Let's get that thing flowing out
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the back of the helmet. And let's, let's go to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a freaking Superbowl. All right. Um, Where are we here?
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess to close it out, when we
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: ended our episode last week, we both thought the Vikings
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: would beat the Dolphins. We both thought the Vikings would
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: score a lot more points than they did. I said
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: it'd be like 31-17. You said 28-7. We were both
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: wrong on that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Slightly.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Again, a win is a win. It was a game
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: that me not really knowing much about the Dolphins' defense,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: who apparently is not horrible... They're not a defense that
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: usually you'd see on an own three team at the time.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I underestimated the defense and maybe overestimated the Vikings offense.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm not mad about predicting a win. Obviously they won,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: but the whole reason we've been talking about frustrations is
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: because the offense wasn't moving. So overall, don't have to
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: give the win back. Don't have to give any of
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: the wins back. It's a good place to be as 4-0,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: even if you have issues. But now we're moving forward.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Since that game, the Vikings have made a handful of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: roster moves, some out of necessity because of injuries, some
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: messing around with the practice squad. Evan, the thing that
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: would have led the Skullhop discussion for weeks on end
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in 2016 is the fact that the Vikings brought in
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and signed wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. What are your
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: thoughts on that? Well.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: You texted me this. I was at work. My students
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: were in the middle of working on something, so I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was on my computer doing other things. And I saw
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: your text come by, and I'm like, that's got to
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: be fake. It's not real. He's just trying to get
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: me going. And I asked you. I'm like, is this real?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I think that was my text to you after you
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: sent it to me. And you were like, yeah, it's real.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, okay. And then I immediately
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: launched into like, well, okay, okay. Justin Jefferson, he must
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: be hurt more than we think he is. So they're
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: trying to bring in help. Or this is just a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: cry for help. Even with Justin Jefferson, they don't think
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: they've got whatever. And then I got a little more optimistic.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, maybe they're just bringing in the old
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: guy to mentor the young guys. He was out there.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: He might as well bring him in, whatever. I still
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: don't know what to think about all this. I did
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: see Ben Lieber tweet. uh, something in reaction to this.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And it was, he was basically just like, huh, that's interesting.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Things that make you go, huh?
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Things that make you go, yeah, that's what he said. Um,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: so I think even people inside the organization and I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: would consider Ben Lieber in the organization, um, are a
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: little perplexed by the move. Um, I think some see
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it as this like splashy signing, which it kind of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: is because Odell Beckham Jr. is definitely a good player,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a I don't know, maybe a Hall of Famer.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: We could have that argument.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I said maybe.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I think he had one elite highlight level catch. I
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: think he was a pretty good receiver for a couple
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: years around that catch.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: He was a pretty good receiver, and I think he
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: was a reliable weapon in New York for a while.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if we looked at the numbers, I think
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: you'd walk back on that. I know you weren't pounding
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the table.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: He's Hall of Famer. I said maybe. He's probably, probably,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: not definitely, probably like a Ring of Honor or whatever
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that equivalent is in New York.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe. I don't know if they brought him
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: back this year and then cut him after not playing
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: him very much.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: He's had a weird career, too. He's been in and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: out all over the place, and he's tried to give this...
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: like resurgence to his career a couple of different times.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: He won a Super Bowl with Kevin O'Connell in LA.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: He did, with the Rams, yep. I think he's an
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: interesting signing. I'm interested to see what that actually pans
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: out to be. I think it does maybe show that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of depth there with a depth
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: concern with the wide receiver room. Um, cause they not
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: only signed OBJ, but they brought in Jay Sean Jones,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: who was a kind of a practice squad guy through like, uh,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: training camp and preseason and stuff and then got cut.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Jones has been with the team for a
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: couple of years, basically a practice squad guy. Um, this
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: year he was suspended the first three games of the year.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly why. I don't know if it
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: was substance, like not like cocaine, but like maybe he
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: was taking a vitamin. He should have been taking something
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: like that. He was suspended for three games and then played.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: They didn't, he made the team. He was on the
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: 53 for the dolphins game. But then immediately after the game,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: the next day on the fifth on Monday, they released
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: him from the 53 man roster. So interesting to see
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: that they, they brought him back. He, like I said,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: he's been around the team for a few years. Um,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: so maybe he's just, maybe that was the plan all along.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Once he served a suspension, he was going to go
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: back to the practice squad. Um, the first injury report
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: for this week came out today for the Vikings. Uh,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and it included, uh, Justin Jefferson, who is limited today.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: He did practice, but he was given that limited tag, uh,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: with his ankle injury, but it also included Jordan Addison
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: who did not practice today. Um, KOC said he just
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: had some soreness in his hamstring. So maybe... He.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Also said in his press conference that it's nothing.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said minor or whatever term he used.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: He dismissed it pretty quickly and basically implied that Jordan
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Addison would be fine. He didn't think it was anything major.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: But all that to say, on a team that had
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: some space on the practice squad, has a little bit
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: of wiggle room roster-wise... when your wide receiver one and
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: wide receiver two, a few days before your next game,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: are at least like, I'm not 100% sure where they're
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: at health-wise. I'm not shocked to see the team bring
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: in at least some bodies. So because of that, I
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: think the Odell Beckham thing is one that KOC obviously
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: has a lot of respect for this player. I think
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Odell said today, because they had a little press conference
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: which they kind of do whenever they bring in a
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: player Um, especially if it's a player that a lot
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: of guys know his name. Um, I think back to
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: when Daniel Jones signed to the practice squad a couple
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: of years ago, they had a little on the field
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: press conference there. So it's not like they, Oh yeah,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: we're announcing this guy and he's, you know, our next captain.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Like he's, he's still on the practice squad. Um, but
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I think it was one of those, like he's available. Um,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: like this guy, there's no, no reason not to. It's
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: not like you have to compete with other teams to
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: give him a hundred million dollar contract just to get
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: him in here or trade for him. Like he was,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: he was available and it's a practice squad deal. And
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: I think KFC basically kind of alluded like, well, if he's,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: if he's ready and he's healthy, like he could be
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: elevated for the saints game. We'll see how that goes.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: But I don't think this is anything that's going to
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: at least planned to be this like whole team thing.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: reset thing. Hey, now the offense is fixed. We brought
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: in the savior, Odell Beckham Jr. I think it's just, hey,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: he's there. We like the guy. Bring him in. Let's
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: So as of right now, I don't think we need
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: to stop the presses, but it is kind of a
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: fun thing to think about. There's going to be a
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: number nine Vikings jersey for sale that says Beckham Jr.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: on the back, and lots of people are going to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: buy it because... He's a name that went to a
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl a few times. He's an NFL name that
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of people know.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Did you see his comments in his press conference today
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: about Y9?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why did he say that?
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: He said it's because half of my– or Justin Jefferson
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: got half of his game from me, I think is
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: how he phrased that, which I thought was kind of
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a clever way to, like, unveil that. That was kind
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: of cool.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Well, and they're both Justin Jefferson. Can we– J.J., Can
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: we just do this now? Can we just... He's JJ.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: He's JJ now.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: It took so long for us to train our brains
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: to be either like, oh, Justin Jefferson instead of JJ,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: or we'd say Jettas, but JJ. I'm just going to
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: say JJ now. Anyways, JJ, LSU wide receiver, Odell Beckham,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: LSU wide receiver. They didn't play together. When JJ was
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: at LSU was the time that Odell Beckham was He
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: had already been doing his highlight reel plays in the NFL.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: But I think they like each other a lot, too.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: They've known each other for a long time. They're friends.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And it's something that I'm sure J.J. was very excited
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: for when he found out the team was going to
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: actually go ahead and sign Odell Beckham. So I think
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: all of it is just a good thing. And that comment, like, oh, yeah.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: JJ got half his game from me. Like that's, it's
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: not like a, a locker room cancer thing. It's like, I,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I like this kid.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It's just funny.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I've been around this kid for a while and I
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: taught him a few things and yeah, I taught him
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: everything he knows. It's that like, yeah, it's just lighthearted mindset.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: They're just, they're just Josh and they're just going back
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: and forth. It's kind of fun. Um, yeah. Uh, he's
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: definitely going to be an interesting one to watch. I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: think OBJ for sure. He's not the only one though.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Like it, Since the Dolphins game, there's been a few
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: other moves kind of in and out. Nothing that's super, like, earth-shattering.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I think the OBJ news is definitely the biggest one.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would argue. Even though it's, like, practice
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: squad and we don't know what's happening, he's the splashiest name.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the splashiest is OJ, but probably the
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: biggest is that Donovan Jackson, left guard, is on injured reserve.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Sounds like meniscus... injury, um, need surgery. I think they're
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: already like, yeah, he's, he's done for the year. Um,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: so that sucks. That really sucks. Cause he's really good. Um,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: and it's just his second year. He, this is now
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: his second stint on injured reserve. Remember last year he
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: had that like hand thing that he missed, I think
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: four games for, so not a ton, but he was
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: still on short-term IR. Um, I don't think we can
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: call him injury prone yet. Um, But it still sucks.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: This guy was a stalwart on the left side of
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the line, and especially against the Dolphins, both Donovan Jackson
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: missed most of the game, and then Christian Derrissaw, through
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: two different injuries, missed a significant part of the game.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: And as of right now, Derrissaw is in the concussion protocol,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: not practicing yet. I don't think he's fully cleared everything yet.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So that's something to watch. You know, concussions are a
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: big deal, and if if he's able to, you know,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: get healthy, I think he's, Derrissaw is one of those
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: guys that he could go like all week. And then
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: if he were to clear the protocol on Saturday, like
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter too much if he didn't practice as
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: long as, you know, he's healthy enough and clear the protocol.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I think he could miss practice all week and still
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: play in the game. So that's something to watch. But yeah,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: all the other moves were pretty much practice squad related.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And then Odell Beckham Jr. So, I don't know. It's,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: it's nice to see the Vikings making moves. Um, I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: did want to, uh, to ask you one thing. Um,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: there haven't been like super deep and credible, uh, conversations,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: but I've seen a couple people on Twitter. Uh, the
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Eagles today traded away their starting center. Um, and, uh,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: because of that, I think people are thinking, oh, the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Eagles might be starting to begin a fire sale. So
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: some of the phones are ringing apparently, and people on
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Twitter are saying like, Hey, Vikings need some help in
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: the run game. Is Saquon Barkley available? We don't, I'm
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: not even, I don't even think it's worth looking up
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: like his contract, um, or like how long he signed
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: with the Eagles. But right now, knowing it would be
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: expensive to get and keep him, that's all we need
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: to care about. It would be expensive. What would your
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: thoughts be on the Vikings potentially bringing in Saquon Barkley Jr.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I think those thoughts are about the same as like C.J.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Stroud to the Vikings or Justin Herbert to the Vikings. Like, sure,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: the teams that those guys are on are not playing
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: great right now. The Chargers and the Texans are a
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: little bit worse off than the Eagles, I think. the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Texans and the Chargers are both 0-4 or 1-3, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: They're pretty bad. The Eagles, I don't think, are at
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: a point where everything is doom and gloom yet. Like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: they're not playing like they should, but it doesn't mean
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: that they're not a contender at this point. I still
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: think they've got a lot of big pieces that could
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: lead them to success down the road. I think Saquon...
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: he's an interesting puzzle piece out there um would i
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: say no if the vikings said yes to him no
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: i wouldn't say no i'd be like okay cool i'd
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: be excited but i'm not gonna say i'm not gonna
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: sit here and say like i'm not gonna pound the
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: table they need to go get him no i i
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: think um The Eagles traded away their center, Juergens, earlier today, right?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what sparked this whole thing. And apparently
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: people are saying he wasn't playing extremely well.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: But I think he was playing okay, and I think
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: he's maybe a better option for the Vikings.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I would have liked if they had said they traded
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: for Juergens just because of the, especially on the offensive
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: line now, you could have moved Brandel over to left guard.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: and then put a different guy in at center.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a criticism against the Vikings' offensive
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: line right now, is you have this utility player playing
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: center when he could be kind of everywhere else, and
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: he's tied to the middle. And so I think I'd
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: rather see the Vikings make a move like that right now.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Obviously not Cam Juergens, because now he's found a new
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: home in Baltimore. But I'd rather see them... Make a
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: move for a guy like that. It's not a sexy move.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: It's not a move that's, like, it's not Odell Beckham Jr. even.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: It's not a, like, make the ticker at the bottom
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: of the ESPN thing. Like, people probably aren't going to
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: care too much. But it could make all the difference. Yeah. Like,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: this offense has struggled. We haven't scored a touchdown in
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: a long time. Let's get some help up front and
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: see if we can't bolster the What's going on? We've
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: got talented skill players. You've got Kyler Murray, a Pro
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Bowl quarterback. You've got Aaron Jones, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. is now sitting on the practice squad.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: You've got TJ Hawkinson at tight end. You brought Jawan
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Jennings in as wide receiver three. There's no reason this
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: offense can't be productive, and I think one of the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: things that's holding it back is the offensive line bringing
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: somebody else to bolster that. So the Saquon stuff, I
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: can probably take that or leave that. If it happened, okay.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: We still need an offensive line to block for him, though. Absolutely.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: That's a big deal, right? He's not going to have
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of success if he doesn't have anybody up
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: front moving people for him. So those are my thoughts
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a minute ago I said Saquon Barkley Jr.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: That's wrong. He's not a junior. I think I'd still
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: had Odell Beckham Jr. on the mind. But when I
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: saw that... I did send a message to a friend
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: of the show, Dustin Baker. We were talking about it
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit. He said he hadn't really heard anything,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: but he'd reach out. But he did say one thing
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: that kind of got me thinking a little bit about
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: what a trade for Saquon might look like. Now, Dustin
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Baker was saying this would be cool. He wasn't saying,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I think this is what it would cost. But he
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: was saying it'd be cool if they got him for
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: something like what they got Hawkinson for in 2022. It
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: would be something like Barkley and a Philly third round
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: pick to Minnesota for a Minnesota fourth and second round picks.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's where it would be.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I know Barkley has a big contract, so that kind
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: of dumps down what the team would have to pay
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: to the Eagles to get him because then they also
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: have to take on that contract. But, I mean, if
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: it was something like that, and we're not talking about
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: a first or a first and a third or something
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: like that, I mean, maybe. My hopes and dreams are
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: not built on whether or not the Vikings trade for
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley. It would be interesting and it would tell
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: us a little bit about Nolan Teasley in a sense
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: that we don't really know what kind of a GM
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: he is. In my conversation with Dustin Baker, he kind
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: of did mention like, yeah, you could almost kind of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: predict the kinds of things that Quasey would do because
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: he was there for a little bit and he started
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: to show you like, oh, every year the Vikings went
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: so many years without a second round pick because Quasey
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to in season or whenever to trade away
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a second round pick for a guy or something like that.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: So he kind of got the sense of like, Oh,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: don't be surprised if there's kind of a, a need
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: somewhere close to the trade deadline. And Koisi isn't afraid
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: to pull that trigger. We don't know what kind of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: GM Nolan Teasley is going to be like, for all
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: we know, he's going to be the guy that's like, Hey,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: trade deadline, let's do a fire purchase sale and let's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: get everybody because we're, you know, Super Bowl or bust. Yeah,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: where we've only got one or two losses at the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: trade deadline. We need to go. We have a need.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: We need to fill it. Or he could be a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: guy that's like, no, we built this team. It's doing
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: what it's supposed to do, and we've got the depth.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: We just don't know. So it'd be interesting, and it
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: will tell us. I mean, if the Vikings don't trade
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: for him, it'll tell us just as much about Nolan
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Teasley as it would if they do trade for him.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: The Vikings have $ 5. 5 million in cap space right now.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: According to spot rack um and some of that might
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: be spoken for already i don't know um going into
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: next year though and i think that's the really interesting
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: part because um it doesn't really matter what happens this
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: year you know they can work that out between the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: two clubs and you know signing bonuses and whatever um
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: 47 million cap space next year that's top That's top
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: 50% in the league. So there's a little bit more
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: wiggle room next year. If you bring in a big-name
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: player like that, you can maybe kind of work things
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: around him. I'm not saying that it's going to happen
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that Saquon would come over, and I'm not saying I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: necessarily even want that because I think it would complicate
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. But there's a little bit of
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: wiggle room to bring that in. And maybe it's not
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl or bust this year, but you keep
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: your– core roster intact this year, build some momentum. And
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: then you try to make that push next year. We've
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: seen teams do that too, where they, they have a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: hot start. They, they build around that and it's like, okay,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: we've got something here. We keep the core here. Guys
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: like Harrison Smith and some other guys that are older
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: or not as crucial to what's going on, move on.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: And then you, you bring in a guy like Saquon
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: at a, a premium and you make that push.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: So, and I will say to neither of us are
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: cap geniuses or anything. Um, but I do know that
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: 47 million, that's gonna, that's gonna go down quick. Oh yeah.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Cause you have guys like Jalen Redmond who right now
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: I think is playing on something like two or 3
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: million and he's on a one year deal right now
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: and will require a lot of money. If the Vikings
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: want to keep him, he's going to eat up some
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: of that cap. they are paying almost nothing for the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback position right now. And if, you know, something crazy
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: happens and Kyler Murray is all of a sudden like, yep,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: we need to keep this guy. He clicked after a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: handful of weeks and we need to keep him. That's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: going to eat up a lot of that cap space.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: And if that doesn't work and they need to go
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: out and sign a quarterback or draft a quarterback like that,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: that position alone is going to change that number. So there's,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Andrew Van Ginkle, he's on technically
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: the last year of his deal right now, and he's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: not going to be a $ 2 million guy. He's going
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: to be more like a $ 20 million guy. So those
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: dollars are going to change for good reasons. You need
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: to keep the good guys. And I know we're starting
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: to get to the point where Justin Jefferson, I know
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like too long ago he signed his
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: current deal. but I think it was like a four
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: year deal. And that was at least two years ago.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: So that's going to start being a conversation where, Hey,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: we need to keep this guy. And all of a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: sudden he's not the highest paid non quarterback anymore. He's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: like top 15, you know? So that, that money is
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: always going to be pretty fluid, but we'll see how
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: it works. They always seem teams always seem to be
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: able to pay the guys they really want to pay. So,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how this season works and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: then obviously going into next season, how that all works too.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Well, let's stay in this season for a minute. Next week,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: week five, week before the bye week, Vikings at New Orleans. Vikings,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: you said a little bit ago, they're favored.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: What do you think? What's going to happen here? Vikings
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: at Saints next week.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: So as of today, we record Wednesday the 7th. The
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Vikings are favored by a point and a half. Yeah.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: As close to a pick'em as you can get. But
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: being the road team and favored against an NFL team,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: that's no small thing to think about. It's a small
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: favor point, but it definitely means Vegas thinks the Vikings
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: are a hair better over under a 42.5 point. So
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: not predicting it to be a super high scoring game.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: But the Saints offense, Tyler Shook will.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Go with it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Um, he's, he's a passer, you know, he, he's able
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: to rack up the pass yards. Um, but I did
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: see this graphic, um, from a Twitter account, uh, at
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: the professor three zero five.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Um, and we'll put it up, right?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Cause it's a good one.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Uh, so this, he kind of, I think I saw
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Pete Bursich retweet it or quote it and say like, oh,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: this is interesting. Um, but this account, the professor three
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: oh five, um, we're showing the one picture now, but
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: he had a picture for Bursich. Every game. So it's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: like a quick analysis of every game. So the Vikings
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: rank number one in sacks, number four in interceptions. They
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: allow the eighth most field goals. So not the worst,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: but they do allow some field goals. And those were
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: all the stats about the Vikings for this upcoming game.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: And only one was kind of not great. I mean,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: eighth most is, you know, whatever. We'll take it. The
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: rest are all about the Saints and how they're not great.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: They allow the eighth most passing touchdowns to the opposing quarterback,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: which is pretty nice considering our quarterback has one passing touchdown.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: The starter has less than QB2 right now. The Saints
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: allow the most rushing yards to a running back, which
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: that'll be really nice if even with the frustrations on
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the offense and the running game specifically, Aaron Jones, he's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: definitely had one game with 100 rushing yards. And then
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: this last game against the Dolphins, he was 94 rushing yards.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: So there's a guy who can take advantage of a
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: bad rush defense. The Saints allow the most rush TDs
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: to a running back. Insert everything I just said there.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Saints allow the third most rush attempts to a running back.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: So for a team that needs to get the run
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: game going, let's do it against this defense. The Saints
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: allow the seventh most receiving touchdowns to a wide receiver.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: You don't think an ankle-ailing Justin Jefferson returning home to
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: his home state doesn't know about that stat and think, hey,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: I got two touchdowns in week one. Maybe I need
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: to get a few more from now on. The Saints
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: allow the fifth most receiving yards to a tight end.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I spent a third of this podcast heaping joy and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: compliments on TJ Hawkinson. This seems like a game that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: he can eat a little bit against this defense. Saints
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: allow the fourth most receiving targets to a tight end.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: TJ just had 13 targets and caught all 13 of
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: them against the Dolphins. And the Saints allow the fourth
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: most receptions to a tight end. Same thing I just said.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: So all of that graphic tells me, just looking at statistics,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: this could be a get-right game for the Vikings offense.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: and a let's eat game for the Vikings defense. I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be a good one for the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Vikings this week.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I like this graphic a lot. Obviously,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I believe that it's true.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah. This could all be totally fake.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: You have to take it as true. We hope that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: the Professor 305 is a legitimate source, otherwise we're going
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: to look like idiots, but I think it's true. I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: think I can see the proof in the pudding there.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: And I've watched a little bit of the Saints, not
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: a lot this year. And this adds up, you know.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: It's not one of those things where that's like, no,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that's not true. I haven't seen that out of them yet.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I think the one and a half point margin is
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: a little generous for the Saints. I don't know that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe... the the betters in vegas are
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: focused a little too much on the vikings lack of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: offense and they're not focused enough on this vikings defense
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: they set the over under at 42 and a half
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: and that could change but that's assuming that both teams
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: are going to score at least three touchdowns essentially.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Around there it's about you know 21 points per team
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: and then You get that half.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Right. But, I mean, if you take 42 and divide
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: it by two, you're at 21. That's three touchdowns apiece.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: This Vikings team hasn't given up three touchdowns since week one.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Very true.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Against the Packers. And there are no significant injuries on
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: this Vikings team. Brian Flores hasn't shown that he's going
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: to let off the gas anytime soon. And he's even
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: kind of said, he's kind of implied, like, We're here.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: This is what we're going to do. And he hasn't
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: let up at all. I don't think he's going to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: let up on the road in New Orleans. It's an
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: indoor game where I think the Saints are going to
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: walk in and think, all right, we're good. This is
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: our home field. They had a big Monday night game
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: against the Falcons that they kind of S'd the bed.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: And so they're working on a short week. They had
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: all the fanfare. It was the, I think it was like, what,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: the 20th or 25th anniversary of Katrina.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: And that Gleason blocked punt.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And the Gleason blocked punt. And Gleason was there. And,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: you know, he's not looking great. But, you know, it
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: was a cool moment for the city. And I watched it.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's cool for them. Good
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: for them. But they didn't play good after that.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: 45 to 24. Yeah. Against the Falcons, who apparently are.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Good no they didn't the saints did not play well
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: and i guess we could i'm not gonna go on
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: this tangent but we could sit here and talk about
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: how nobody ever wants to win the nfc south ever
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: like they just they refuse to do it it's like
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: that like three-way gun pointing meme that we always see
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: like you do it no you do it no you
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: do it it's like okay just somebody just win it
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, just grab it and go with it,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: you know, and nobody seems like they want to do that.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I like what you've said. A
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: lot of good opportunities for the Vikings to go in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: and just put their foot down and say, no, this
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: is our game. And we can kind of right a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: lot of the wrongs, even though they're 4-0. There have
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: been some concerning things, and that's kind of been my
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: common thread throughout this whole episode is 4-0 is great,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: but it's not sustainable. We've got to figure this out.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: This is a good get-right game for the Vikings. What
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: do you think? Score prediction.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know I'm a homer. I think the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Vikings win, but I kind of like the Vegas numbers.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: I'm still— we' ve spent— what are we an hour and 10
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: minutes into this podcast right now? Give or take a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: few minutes. We spent an hour and eight minutes talking
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: about how we don't trust the offense, how the offense
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: isn't great. That was part of what you were just
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: saying the last few minutes. So while, um, some of
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: these stats in this graphic that we showed, um, favor
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: the Vikings offense, a lot of them, um, may help
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: the Vikings offense, um, And it'll be something that I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: look to if the Vikings offense looks really good, then
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I'll come back to these stats and say like, well, yeah,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: but it was against the Saints who their defense isn't
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: necessarily the greatest right now. But that's the double-edged sword.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: If you beat a team like this, well, you were
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: supposed to. And if you lose to them, then how
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: did you lose to them? You can't win for winning.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. I do think the Vikings will pull
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: it out and win. If I have to give a score,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say something like 21 to 20. I
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: think the defense is definitely going to keep doing their stuff. Um,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: but shook, uh, he has shown like he's capable of
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: passing for a bunch of yards. Now I do know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I think, didn't you say like a lave or, uh,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: one of their wide receivers was on the initial injury report, um,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: this week. So we'll see how that plays out. Um,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, this offense, at least the quarterback,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: is capable of throwing for some yards. He hasn't seen
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: the Vikings defense yet. But we'll see. The Saints run
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: game hasn't really been there too much either. Their highest
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: single rusher for a game this year was A-Chan against
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: the Raiders. He rushed for 57 and nobody has come
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: close since then. Last week against the Falcons, Kamara was
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: their leading rusher with 23 rushing yards. So We'll see.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I think the real opposing force on the football field
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: will be the Vikings' defense in this game, as it
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: has been. And until we see a true and consistent
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: turn from the Vikings' offense, I don't think we can
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: really make any predictions any other way. But yeah, I
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: still think the Vikings' offense, with these stats that we've seen,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: they're going to take advantage of some of it. They
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: built on the last two drives against the Dolphins. There's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: going to be something there. I think it would be
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: cool to see Odell Beckham Jr. dress and maybe catch
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: a ball. You know there would be some cheers for that.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I think this could be a real get-right game for
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: the offense and another opportunity for the defense and special
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: teams to flex their muscles and to do it against
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: another team who's not great in their own stadium right
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: before the bye week. It just, it just might be
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: a good day for the Vikings.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think this defense is going to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: be the Vikings defense. I should say it's going to
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: be a little more dominant like they have been. And
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I think the offense finds a groove. I don't think
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: they like blow out this Saints team. I don't think
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: it's a 30, 40 point blowout win, but I'm going
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: to say 24, 13 Vikings.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: The Vikings look good. They don't, allow the Saints to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: really do much. Something to keep an eye on, the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: injury report right now has Tyler Shook as questionable. Oh,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that. He was limited today in practice
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: with a non-throwing hand injury. And Alvin Kamara, who's been
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: their bell cow running back for a long time now,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: didn't participate in the walkthrough. They have other running backs,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: but he's still up there. And Travis Etienne is on
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: IR and isn't expected to come back until November. So
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: they're kind of hurting a little bit that way, and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: they've got some injuries to deal with in New Orleans.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: And one of their safeties is also questionable, Julian Blackman.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: He had 10 tackles in the loss of the Falcons.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: He's currently listed as questionable as well. So I think
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of concern there with the, the saints. Um,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: and I don't know that that could be the factor, right?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Like this Vikings team might be just good enough to
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: beat a kind of banged up saints squad. Yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that about shook. Um, if he's not
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: able to go, which we're just at the first injury report,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: you know, it's nothing crazy. Um, did you, did you
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: say he didn't practice at all or he's listed as questionable?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: I guess. um you're looking at he was limited okay
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: all right so he at least got some work in
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: um i don't know who their qb2 is uh but
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: the other qbs on their roster are zach wilson uh
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: the famous uh jet draft pick um and then spencer
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: rattler who has started a few games for the saints
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: over the last couple of years so We'll see. At
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: this point, knowing it's just the first injury report, until
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: I see one or two more with Shook on there,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: I would almost just think, all right, he's probably going
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: to play. He's QB1. You just pull through. But it
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: is something to watch, just like seeing Justin Jefferson on
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: the Vikings injury report is something to watch. I pulled
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: up our preseason picks. Evan, you predicted the Vikings to
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: win this game against the Saints. Um, you're, you're three
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: and one on your prediction. So that's, that's pretty good
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: so far.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: I feel good about it.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: I predicted a loss for some reason. Um, and I'm
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: two and two on my prediction. So what that means
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: is we're guaranteed a purple punishment spin for next week
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: um and um man i really i want you to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: spin without me because i want to see you eat
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: that spicy gummy bear um.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: But you would rather see the Vikings go 5-0 before
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: their bye week.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So I want a win. I predicted right now
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: a win, but these preseason picks are the only ones
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: that matter for the punishment. So we'll see. I think
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: have I been punished more than you? We were both pied,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: and then I had the fake beard.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're up one on me right now. Yeah.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's okay. We'll keep it going. This Dolphins game
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: was one of our locks. It was both of our
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: locks to win.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: And we were going to double or nothing it, I think,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: and we didn't have to because we picked it correctly,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: which is good.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: So no two spicy gummy bears and a shot of
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Malort because we kind of added in that Malort thing too. Yeah,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: I feel really good overall about where the Vikings are.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: We'll see how I feel after the first couple of plays.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: They go three and out against the Saints to open
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: the draft. I have noticed, too, the Vikings, when they've
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: won the toss, they've been throwing the offense out there
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: first this year so far. And I think it's one
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: of those, like, we know the defense is good. We
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: know the defense is going to hold them to at least,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: at most, three points or a fluky touchdown. Like, we're
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: confident in the defense. So let's throw the offense out there,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: and maybe they score, and we're definitely up. So I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: think that's their mindset on that. But it's something to watch, too,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: to see if we can tell how many times they've
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: won and chosen to receive rather than kick. Yeah. Overall,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: even with the offensive concerns, I feel pretty darn good
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: about this team right now.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Another interesting little factoid. If you're in our general region,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: it's the third game in a row that hasn't been broadcast. Yeah.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: That kind of sucks. It kind of sucks. Now we
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: have the benefit of the NFL Sunday ticket. Thanks for that.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. But, That kind of stinks. And if we
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: had more time, I would go on a little rant
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: about how that kind of sucks and how they need
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: to rectify that in the NFL a little bit. Because
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: where we are, we are geographically close to several NFL teams,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: not just one. And it's tough to satisfy a fan
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: base here when you've got probably four viable NFL franchises
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: with the Vikings, the Packers, the Bears, and the Chiefs.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: all within super close distance.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: And you could even stretch it just a hair. If
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to the chiefs, you can go the other way.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: And there's the, the Colts as well.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, everybody's a transplant from somewhere. So
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: you've got every team, but I think that's it. I'm
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: glad Sunday ticket exists and that it's more accessible now
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: with YouTube TV than it was for most of our
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: lives with, uh, I think it was direct TV. Um,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: but it's still, it's something like if, if you're an
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: annual subscriber and it's not your first year for Sunday ticket,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: it's something like four or 500 bucks. Um, this year
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: was the first year I've purchased it. So I got
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: that like first year subscriber and it was like two
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: 50 or something like that. But which at that price, I'll,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: I'd do that every year, two 50 to guarantee every game.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: And then I have all the other streaming services cause
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: we all do. So like, On Prime, you're seeing Thursday
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: Night Football, and you're seeing everything else. But, I mean,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: if it was $ 250 every year, I'd be okay with that,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: kind of. I wouldn't complain. But $ 400 or $ 500 every year?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: That's not doable. And you could also compare it to
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: two years ago when I took my whole family to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: sit in nosebleed seats on a week six game. I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: think it was definitely with the hotel and gas and
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: food and everything. Oh, it was everything.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: You paid all of that in one game.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was... it was probably a thousand dollar weekend
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: for with one night in a hotel. And obviously the
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: tickets were the bulk of that, but so take it
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: Sunday ticket, even at its full price is still cheaper
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: than going to a game, but that's a whole off
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: season episode of a podcast to complain about pricing for
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: a fan to consume their team. But yeah, I am
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: glad that we do have Sunday ticket at least this year.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: We can still watch it. Uh, What are your thoughts
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: on this beer?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we've both been very conscious to leave
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit left for our final sip here, which
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: means it's a good beer. I'm not surprised. It's a
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: great brewery, Five Cities here in Bettendorf. It's a style
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: of beer that we're both very fond of, the Oktoberfest,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: and it's just a good Oktoberfest. That's everything I can
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: say about it. If you don't like Oktoberfest... You probably
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: don't like beer, and that's okay. Not everybody has to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: love beer, but it's just a good beer, and I
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: would drink it any day of the week.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a solid beer for sure. I enjoyed it.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I've had it before. It tasted just as good, if
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: not slightly better, because we had some good conversations here.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: If people are looking to connect with us, how can
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: they do that?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're on all the socials, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Actually,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: on Facebook, Evan, I don't know if you know this,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: we recently passed the thousand follower mark.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I did not know that.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: So thank you for following us on Facebook. Instagram, we're
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: at something, I think we're touching around 200 followers. Twitter,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: we're 650 or something like that, 640 followers. Um, and then, uh, TikTok,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: it's a little skewed cause we've had those injury videos
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: that get a lot of views, but, um, we're at
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: like 4,800 followers on TikTok. So we're everywhere. Um, YouTube, uh, we're,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: we just crossed over 350 subscribers. So it'd be nice
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: to get to 400 before the end of the season.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: I think you're out there people. Um, and then I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: don't really know as far as followers on, um, uh,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Spotify or Apple podcasts, but wherever you are, um, if
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: you're consuming us in any amount, whether it's a short
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: or the full video or the podcast. Like, subscribe, share
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: us with people you think would enjoy us, or maybe
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: we said something that you think is hilarious and we're
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: such giant morons. You have to share it with your
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: friends and say, look what they said about Odell Beckham Jr.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: What an idiot.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Bad comments are still comments. So like, subscribe, share.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: comment leave a review reviews help a lot on spotify
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: and apple too so we're everywhere if you can't find
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: us where you want us let us know and no
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: matter what we'll be recording every week like we have
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: i don't think we've missed a week in a long time.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: It's been a while yeah and we're in the thick
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: of the season now so i mean come hell or
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: high water we're going to be at it so absolutely
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: yeah All right.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Well, now that you have totally ruined this week's version
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: of not having the explicit tag, which we have every
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: week and I don't understand why. That can't ruin it.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I think the beer does it because Apple puts us
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: at explicit. You can probably count on one or two
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: fingers how many close words we've said in our entire
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: recording of this podcast.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Their AI must think beer is bad.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I guess. Beer is good.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Beer is good.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: And stuff. Well, Evan. I've had a lot of fun.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: This beer's been great. This episode's been great. You might say,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: best episode yet. Let's go.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Let's go.