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Speaker 3: from the Leyton Field Club at the University of Utah.
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Speaker 3: Scheduled for the end of our show right at two o'clock,
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Speaker 3: Morgan Scaley's official introductory press conference will be happening, and
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Speaker 3: I gotta be honest. At first, I was like, why
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Speaker 3: are we waiting so long? We've known. Morgan Scali was
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Speaker 3: the head coach for two weeks, and I actually think
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Speaker 3: that it worked out perfectly. I got to stop with
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Speaker 3: my knee jerk reactions on things. I think the timing
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Speaker 3: has worked out perfectly because what we have seen now
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Speaker 3: is Morgan Scali and his staff that he put together
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Speaker 3: with about a week of work. And the results are
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Speaker 3: still up in the air to be determined, but the
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Speaker 3: outlook is really positive, really fascinating the way that so
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Speaker 3: many people were angry, furious, loathsome toward Kyle Whittingham for
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Speaker 3: not only leaving the program in a way that we
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Speaker 3: didn't think he was gonna leave the program, but then
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Speaker 3: taking a bunch of assets on his way out the door.
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Speaker 3: Lewis Powell is gone, and Jason Beck is gone, and
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Speaker 3: koy Detmer Junior is gone, and people are just like,
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Speaker 3: how dare you?
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Speaker 4: You said you were gonna leave us in a good place. Well,
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Speaker 4: guess what, You're in a good place.
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Speaker 3: The transfer portal opened, and yeah, a couple of guys
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Speaker 3: that you don't want to see in the transfer portal
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Speaker 3: are shopping themselves around. Nobody wanted to see John Henry
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Speaker 3: Daily leave the program. We don't know if he's going
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Speaker 3: to but it looks like he probably will. I bet
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Speaker 3: money that he's going to end up at Michigan. You
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Speaker 3: don't want to see Smith notan leave the program Tail Johnson.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's people out there that are like, no,
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Speaker 3: don't leave, Tail, wait, please stay. I think you're gonna
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Speaker 3: be fine without Tail because I trust this coaching staff.
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Speaker 3: I believe in the talent evaluation that they've done, the
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Speaker 3: development that done, and look, you gotta the transfer portal
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Speaker 3: is open for another what is it, eight days? Ten days?
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Speaker 3: So you have to still hold your breath, and you
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Speaker 3: still have to let your palms be sweaty, and you
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Speaker 3: still have to hope that agents are not answering too
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Speaker 3: many phone calls and things like that. But right now,
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Speaker 3: the outlook is positive. As of January sixth, twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 3: the outlook for Utah football is very positive. And so
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Speaker 3: we're just gonna operate under that assumption right now. And
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Speaker 3: it's I think a good day that Morgan Scalley can
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Speaker 3: sit down and we have some context, the media that
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Speaker 3: has gathered, the dignitaries, the people that have their invitations
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Speaker 3: to this thing. They're gonna sit down and They're gonna
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Speaker 3: be like, all right, what is Morgan like? What should
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Speaker 3: we say to him? What can he say to us?
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Speaker 3: What do we know about what's going on right now
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Speaker 3: with Utah football? And what we know is that he's
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Speaker 3: done some good work. Plenty of work left to be done,
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Speaker 3: but some good work so far on retaining guys, on
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Speaker 3: keeping people from entering the portal. So far, I think
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Speaker 3: he's done some good work in backfilling this assistant coaching
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Speaker 3: staff so far. I'm positive about the Jordan Gross thing.
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Speaker 3: I had another conversation last night about Kevin McGibbon and
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Speaker 3: what we should expect from Kevin McGibbon, and I'm even
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Speaker 3: more optimistic about that. Bullish on Marcott to why is
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Speaker 3: staying and what that means for the running back position,
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Speaker 3: which of course is one of Utah's like heritage foundational positions.
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Speaker 3: When you think of the identity of Utah football, they're
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Speaker 3: not Utah football. They don't have a solid running back
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Speaker 3: and a solid run game. That's just, at least my
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Speaker 3: version of Utah football, going back to the McBride era,
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Speaker 3: that's what you had, that's what you had. So I
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Speaker 3: wanted to do a little exercise today, if you will,
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Speaker 3: if you will entertain me, if you will indulge me.
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Speaker 3: Wanted to do a little exercise today based on a
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Speaker 3: New York Times article which, look, we know that these
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Speaker 3: numbers are very, very loose. We know that we can
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Speaker 3: look around this landscape of college football and assign whatever
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Speaker 3: value to whatever position, and certain players are going to
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Speaker 3: be complete outliers here. But I just tweeted this, and
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Speaker 3: I want everyone to put on their GM hats. I
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Speaker 3: want everyone to put on their GM hats this morning,
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Speaker 3: and I want people to think about how you would
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Speaker 3: distribute funds. Assume a twenty million dollar salary cap. Okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm assuming a twenty million dollar salary cap, even though
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Speaker 3: the revenue sharing number is actually more like sixteen mili.
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Speaker 3: It's not real when you're talking about twenty point five.
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Speaker 3: Sixteen million is probably more realistic. But I'm assuming, right
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Speaker 3: or wrong. I'm assuming that there are people out there
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Speaker 3: in the booster world, that there are people out there
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Speaker 3: in the business owner world that you can call if
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Speaker 3: you're Morgan Scally, you could call if you're the University
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Speaker 3: of Utah, and you can say, hey, look we have
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Speaker 3: this revenue share split. Okay, we got what it's gonna be,
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Speaker 3: what twenty two million dollars twenty three million dollars next year,
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Speaker 3: and we're giving this much to football, but we might
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Speaker 3: need a little bit more. I think you're not in
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Speaker 3: the Texas tech world where Cody Campbell's giving you a
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Speaker 3: blank check. You're not Oregon or Uncle Phil is just like, yeah, man,
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Speaker 3: i'll pay. I'll pay one hundred million dollars for the roster.
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Speaker 3: Just give me a damn national championship before I die.
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Speaker 3: But I think that the demise of Utah football financially
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Speaker 3: or the lack of booster support is a greatly exaggerated
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Speaker 3: narrative in a tiny, tiny little corner of the dark
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Speaker 3: web for Utah football, I think that there are people
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at names on the side of the building
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Speaker 3: as I'm here in this field club that they're gonna
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Speaker 3: answer the phone call and they're gonna say, Man, if
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Speaker 3: it takes that to get Devin to come back, if
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Speaker 3: it takes that to get Bird Ficklin to come back,
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Speaker 3: if it takes that to get Jackson Benny to come back,
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Speaker 3: If John Hall's gonna leave unless I give him this,
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Speaker 3: all right, let me see what I can do I
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Speaker 3: really believe that. I've had conversations that tell me that
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Speaker 3: that is the case. I believe that from an intuitive standpoint.
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna do an exercise here, James, and James
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Speaker 3: is an on air math whiz. I don't know if
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Speaker 3: you guys are aware of that. So he's gonna help
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Speaker 3: me with this. But we're gonna play GM today. All right,
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Speaker 3: assume a twenty million dollars salary cap, and let's let's
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Speaker 3: see if we could put something together that makes sense
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Speaker 3: from a competitive standpoint for Utah football. Knowing, by the way,
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Speaker 3: that the bare bare minimum of what you need to
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Speaker 3: be a competitive conference championship level team is you gotta
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Speaker 3: have like thirty guys. And that's a tiny number. That's
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Speaker 3: like the bare middle number, thirty guys that you trust
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Speaker 3: on game day. Eleven starters on offense, eleven starters on defense.
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Speaker 3: Of course, when we're talking about the type of offenses
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Speaker 3: that are actually successful in college football, now that means
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Speaker 3: you gotta have probably more than just a couple of
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Speaker 3: wide receivers, So you got to have like four, You
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Speaker 3: got to have two running backs instead of one. Better,
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Speaker 3: if you have three, you gotta have two tight ends
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Speaker 3: better if you have three. You gotta have seven offensive
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Speaker 3: linemen you could trust, but you'll get by with five
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Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball. Will your base
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Speaker 3: package is probably gonna be a nickel situation now because
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Speaker 3: of what other teams are running. But you better be
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Speaker 3: ready with a rotational defensive lineman. You better be ready
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Speaker 3: with a third linebacker to bring in if they go jumbo.
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Speaker 3: You gotta be able to go jumbo too. Now, those
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Speaker 3: guys that are on the fringes, you don't have to
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Speaker 3: pay them necessarily a lot of money. But I don't
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Speaker 3: think you could pay them zero dollars either. I'm not sure.
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Speaker 3: So let's be gms today, James, are you ready to
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Speaker 3: be a GM on the Sean O'Connell Show on a Tuesday.
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Speaker 5: I would love to be the Sean O'Connell Show GM.
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Speaker 5: It's my dream job, actually, so i've been I was
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Speaker 5: born ready.
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Speaker 3: That's interesting because you kind of are the GMS for
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Speaker 3: the show. So congrats on achieving your dream, James, very
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Speaker 3: very proud. Let's go all right, so again, these numbers
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Speaker 3: come from New York Times article according to the cost
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Speaker 3: of doing business in the Transfer portal right now and
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Speaker 3: various publications put these things out last year heading into
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Speaker 3: the season, et cetera, et cetera. We're talking about right
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Speaker 3: now the estimate on the cost of doing business, and
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Speaker 3: there's some broad ranges here. Okay, so we're gonna do
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Speaker 3: our best. So we're gonna assume a twenty million dollar cap,
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Speaker 3: sixteen million coming from revenue share, and we'll say four
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Speaker 3: or five million more coming from the boosters that like
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Speaker 3: to write a check, or begrudgingly at least righte a check.
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Speaker 3: We'll start right at the top, James. A million dollars
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Speaker 3: is the floor for a starting caliber quarterback in power
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Speaker 3: for football, and it goes all the way up according
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Speaker 3: to New York Times to four million dollars. We know
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Speaker 3: realistically the outliers are higher than that. Brendan Soresby is
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Speaker 3: on a billboard right now in Times Square as the
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Speaker 3: next Texas tech guy. He's got at least five million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Sam Levin and his camp are allegedly seeking five to
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Speaker 3: seven million dollars. Sounded like they were going to get
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Speaker 3: that from Kentucky, and then Kentucky changed their mind and
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Speaker 3: they went with a Nebraska commit instead. So that's a
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Speaker 3: whole nother storyline, Bryce Underwood, who we're going to play
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Speaker 3: some sound from Kyle Whittingham on The Dan Patrick's Show.
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Speaker 3: Bryce Underwood has committed to come back to Michigan. Bryce
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Speaker 3: Underwood ain't doing it for two million dollars, right, He's
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Speaker 3: one of these outliers. Arch Manning is going to be
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Speaker 3: in the Heisman Trophy conversation all off season, all season
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Speaker 3: next year. Which Man's not making four million bucks, He's
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Speaker 3: making like six or seven. So this range is already incorrect,
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Speaker 3: but we're gonna go with it just for the sake
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Speaker 3: of the exercise. One million to four million dollars, James,
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Speaker 3: how much are you paying the starting quarterback at the
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Speaker 3: University of Utah? You are the.
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Speaker 5: GM one to four million. I'm gonna I'm gonna be
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Speaker 5: a little conservative because of what you just said to
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Speaker 5: open the show. And then I'm on board with too
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Speaker 5: and understanding don't have the funds that Kyle Whittingham has
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Speaker 5: now at Michigan, for example.
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Speaker 3: Right, So I'm.
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Speaker 5: Gonna I'm gonna say I'm not gonna say the very
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Speaker 5: bottom one, but I might say one and a half
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Speaker 5: two tops.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's say we're gonna give Let's let's be conservative. Okay,
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Speaker 3: Now we've had conversations with Devin Dampier. If we're gonna
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Speaker 3: use Devin Dampierre as our guy, right, Devin dan Pierre
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Speaker 3: ain't doing it for a million, all right. He's getting
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Speaker 3: better offers than that right now. So I want to
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Speaker 3: keep Devin here. Devon's gonna give us a hometown discount.
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Speaker 3: Let's say we're gonna give Devon dam Pier two million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Are you comfortable with that? I'm comfortable with that.
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Speaker 5: And whether that's if you have to choose between Devon
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Speaker 5: and Bird. I mean, obviously I would like to pay
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Speaker 5: whatever it takes to keep them both here. But if
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Speaker 5: you have to choose between one of those two, whether
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Speaker 5: it's Devin or Bird, I'm comfortable paying two million to
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Speaker 5: one of the quarterbacks.
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Speaker 3: We'll say Devin, but only one of the quarterbacks.
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Speaker 5: What are you saying. You're saying, well, James, you bine,
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Speaker 5: we do combine, we do two.
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Speaker 3: No, I'm saying we got to pay Devin too. This
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Speaker 3: is the first major hurdle we have to get over.
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Speaker 3: Devin damn Pierre. If you want him to stay, you
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Speaker 3: got to pay him two million dollars. So are you saying, Devin,
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Speaker 3: I'll give you two Bird thanks for your services. It's
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Speaker 3: been nice knowing you, because that's not an acceptable outcome.
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Speaker 5: No, I think I think I would say I think
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Speaker 5: I would say two for the guy that you that's
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Speaker 5: going to be your starter, we'll say, Devin, and then
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Speaker 5: one for so combine you get combined out of the
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Speaker 5: out of the four million average of the of a
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Speaker 5: power force starting quarterback, you you're you're paying three.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so three million bucks. So our twenty million dollars
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Speaker 3: salary cap, we've already given out more than ten percent
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Speaker 3: of it on the quarterback position. And that's fine. Doesn't
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Speaker 3: that make sense?
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Speaker 5: Though, Like you, they take up a big part of
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Speaker 5: the salary cap in in the NFL, like I should here.
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Speaker 3: More than ten percent in the NFL situation. So I
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Speaker 3: think you're right. Okay, So we have a lot of
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Speaker 3: three million dollars and we're being very conservative. Three million
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Speaker 3: dollars is going to Devon dam Pier and to Bird Ficklin.
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Speaker 3: Now let's zoom out a little bit and let's talk
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Speaker 3: about whether we think that is really enough, James, like,
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Speaker 3: not just for our exercise in the real world we
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Speaker 3: live in. Is that enough that you get to have
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Speaker 3: your cake and eat it too, because that's what we're
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Speaker 3: asking for with Debon and Bird.
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Speaker 5: I think I think Bryce Underwood staying at Michigan really
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Speaker 5: helps Utah.
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Speaker 3: I think it helps Utah's immensely. Absolutely. Yes. Now, my
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Speaker 3: only fear here with.
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Speaker 6: The The thing that gives me pause is that if
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Speaker 6: you're Jason Beck and you want Bird Fickland or you
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Speaker 6: want Devin Dan Pierre, and let's say you want Bird okay,
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Speaker 6: just for the sake of the kind of like pseudo backup.
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Speaker 3: Argument, you're like, look, this Bryce Underwood kid is probably
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Speaker 3: going to be my guy this year. But did you
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Speaker 3: not have fun scoring all those touchdowns for Utah last year? Bird?
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Speaker 3: Did you not like the role you played for Utah
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Speaker 3: last year? And if I'm Bird and his agent, I'm saying, well,
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Speaker 3: I don't want that to be my role again. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I loved it. So I think Michigan will continue their overtures. Hey,
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Speaker 3: you'll be one snap away no matter what, and you'll
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Speaker 3: be one snap away at Michigan. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: Utah has offered you a million thanks for telling us
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Speaker 3: that's chump change for us here at Michigan. How about
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Speaker 3: same role, same offer, But it's going to be one
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Speaker 3: point five or two. That's my concern here. I do
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Speaker 3: think you're right. I think that Bryce Underwood staying at
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Speaker 3: Michigan helps Utah a lot, but I don't think it
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Speaker 3: completely gets you out of the woods because you worst
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Speaker 3: case scenario if you're the Michigan staff is you're offering
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Speaker 3: Bird Ficklin the same role he had this past year
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Speaker 3: at Utah as not just a backup, like a package
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Speaker 3: used type of guy, a second option at quarterback. So
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Speaker 3: when we go back to the exercise and we've decided
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Speaker 3: three million dollars allotted to the quarterback position split up
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Speaker 3: between dev and Bird, is it really enough to keep them?
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Speaker 3: I think my answer is more likely No, it's probably not.
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Speaker 3: So I'm up in the offer. James, Yeah, so I
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Speaker 3: think that.
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Speaker 5: I think that too, which is why I was saying,
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Speaker 5: if you if you only come away with one, that's
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Speaker 5: that's okay to spend two on your starter.
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Speaker 3: But but yeah, what's up? The offer went on? All right,
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Speaker 3: har money, So here's what we're gonna do. All right?
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Speaker 3: They have this agent, right, Bird and Devon have the
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Speaker 3: same agent. If I'm not mistaken. I think so.
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Speaker 5: It could be why could have contributed to why they've
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Speaker 5: been so close, But that probably would have happened anyway.
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Speaker 3: So let's just say, you know what we're gonna push.
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Speaker 3: It's not the real top of the market. It's the
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Speaker 3: top of the New York Times market. I'm allotting four
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Speaker 3: million dollars to my quarterback position. That's two and a half,
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Speaker 3: one and a half, that's three and one, that's two
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Speaker 3: and two. However, you guys decide I'm giving four million
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Speaker 3: dollars to my quarterback position, I think then I have
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Speaker 3: a shot at keeping both. Is that fair? I think so.
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Speaker 5: And Trevor Riley, who is a guest with us all
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Speaker 5: season long, he pretty much said you got you realistically
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Speaker 5: have to. He was saying, you have to probably commit
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Speaker 5: five million to your quarterback room, to your starter and backup.
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Speaker 5: So four so I think four. I mean four feels
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Speaker 5: like a lot, like you're gonna give on average that
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Speaker 5: even money to the backup as you are the starter.
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Speaker 5: But I mean you probably have to. Knowing that Bird
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Speaker 5: and Devon were pretty equal when they both had to
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Speaker 5: play in this year, when they're when when Bird was
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Speaker 5: called upon gave. He gave you close to equal production
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Speaker 5: to what Devin did, and he has a lot more
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Speaker 5: eligibility left.
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Speaker 3: I mean that you probably have to do it. And
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Speaker 3: again we're not the GMS. Well this is an exercise here,
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Speaker 3: but I think that what you could run into potentially
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Speaker 3: as a Utah football fan out there listening and you
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Speaker 3: put your GM hat on, you gotta be honest with yourself.
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Speaker 3: If if I offer Bird Fickling significantly less than what
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Speaker 3: Devon is getting, He's probably like, oh really, Okay, Well,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of other teams that might like me.
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Speaker 3: And if I offer Devon only what the backup is getting,
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Speaker 3: Devon might also be like, WHOA, hold up, you're gonna
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Speaker 3: pay my backup the same as you're gonna pay me.
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Speaker 3: That's crazy. So already you've run into like a pretty
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Speaker 3: significant problem that we're just gonna sell being like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: here's four million, let's see if we can help out
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Speaker 3: for the sake of moving on in the conversation. The
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Speaker 3: next highest paid, according to the New York Times, is
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Speaker 3: the Edge Rushers. Okay, now, John Henry Daily was gonna
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Speaker 3: be the biggest ticket item and probably still is being
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Speaker 3: talked to and recruited by the University of Utah. He's
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Speaker 3: gonna be very near as an All American on the resume,
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Speaker 3: He's gonna be very near what New York Times calls
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Speaker 3: the ceiling five hundred grand to two million dollars for
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Speaker 3: edge rushers. Okay, so let's assume John Henry Daly is gone,
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Speaker 3: because that's the information we have right now, and let's
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Speaker 3: talk about the defensive ends that you've got with eligibility. Okay,
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Speaker 3: Lance Holtzklaw looked really good in that Bowl game. Paul
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Speaker 3: Fitzgerald still has some eligibility. Cash Dylan played a lot
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Speaker 3: this year and I thought looked pretty darn good. So
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Speaker 3: let's just go with those three guys. Let's go with
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Speaker 3: Lance Holtzklaw and Cash Dylan just for the sake of
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Speaker 3: sticking with starters here, or what we believe to be
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Speaker 3: projected starters.
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Speaker 5: Well and real quick, just some more contents with contacts
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Speaker 5: with Lance Holtzklaw. Brectorfield, if I'm not mistaken, was at
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Speaker 5: Washington when Holtzklaw was at Washington, right.
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Speaker 3: I believe that's right.
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Speaker 5: So you you think about that too, Maybe Holtzquaw is like, Okay,
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Speaker 5: excited and motivated to have a coach that that hopefully
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Speaker 5: he had a great relationship with in his time at Washington,
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Speaker 5: and maybe that helps elevate his play a little bit too.
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Speaker 3: Just just keep that in mind. Okay, So we'll try
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Speaker 3: to speed this up because I'm always slow and talk
19:41
Speaker 3: too much. But we're Lance Holtzklaw is getting how much
19:45
Speaker 3: money knowing that you've got four million you peeled off
19:48
Speaker 3: already for the quarterbacks, how much you give into the
19:50
Speaker 3: defensive end? Lance Holds Claw and Cash.
19:53
Speaker 5: Dylan Dylan, And you're saying that the top is two
19:57
Speaker 5: million for two.
19:58
Speaker 3: Million times the New York Times list. Yeah, yeah, in.
20:05
Speaker 5: I would say you probably have to at least do
20:09
Speaker 5: one and a half combined, right, Okay, so.
20:11
Speaker 3: Let's do that. Let's do seven fifty and seven fifty
20:14
Speaker 3: we're now up to, and I think that's realistic. Both
20:17
Speaker 3: of these guys showed some promise. Neither of them were
20:19
Speaker 3: wildly productive, all conference, all American like they I think
20:24
Speaker 3: they clearly have put themselves into a place where you
20:26
Speaker 3: could say, I'm comfortable he's my starter, but he doesn't
20:29
Speaker 3: have a crazy amount of production so far that I
20:31
Speaker 3: have to pay for his resume does not dictate that
20:35
Speaker 3: I got to pay a lot of money for him.
20:36
Speaker 3: And by the way, this is just for retention. This
20:38
Speaker 3: is not even keeping the wolves at bay. People. This
20:41
Speaker 3: is where it gets This is where it gets so
20:43
Speaker 3: so complicated. All right. Offensive tackles, Now, Kelvin Obot, he
20:47
Speaker 3: came down from high school. You already were offering him.
20:49
Speaker 3: He's the highest rated recruit in program history. Offensive tackles,
20:53
Speaker 3: according to New York Times, are six hundred thousand to
20:56
Speaker 3: one point three million dollars. And you had the Outland
21:00
Speaker 3: Trophy winner last year. You had a projected first round
21:03
Speaker 3: pick opposite them. I believe that Utah committed more on
21:06
Speaker 3: average one point three million to those guys I think
21:10
Speaker 3: that we were talking about. I think that those guys
21:12
Speaker 3: were probably three million, four million combined. But like, let's
21:17
Speaker 3: go back to where we're at today with Kelvin Obot,
21:20
Speaker 3: who's going to be a day one starter most likely,
21:23
Speaker 3: and opposite him, you've got, you know, a bunch of
21:27
Speaker 3: different options with guys that got a decent amount of
21:31
Speaker 3: time this year. They like Keith Olsen, they like Roger Alderman,
21:36
Speaker 3: they like they like Zaraway Williams, so on one side,
21:43
Speaker 3: you're paying Kelvin Obot. Let's just be honest with ourselves
21:46
Speaker 3: and say one point five Is that fair?
21:47
Speaker 7: James?
21:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think that he would get higher than
21:50
Speaker 3: the average. Okay, Now we're up to seven million, by
21:53
Speaker 3: the way, off of our off of our our salary cap,
21:57
Speaker 3: and we have accounted for a grand total of five players,
22:02
Speaker 3: all right on the opposite side. Easy, easy job though.
22:06
Speaker 3: See on the opposite side, let's go with that six
22:09
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, shall we? Because none of these guys are
22:13
Speaker 3: are necessarily like big names? Is that fair? Can we
22:17
Speaker 3: do that? Sure? All right? So seven point six million?
22:21
Speaker 3: Before we get to the interior offensive line. Uh, interior
22:24
Speaker 3: offensive linemen are called they're not even on the list.
22:29
Speaker 3: What the heck, they're not even on the New York
22:30
Speaker 3: Times list. Let's just say you got to pay him
22:32
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars each. Okay, can we
22:34
Speaker 3: do that?
22:36
Speaker 5: We technically still have room in the revenue share budget.
22:41
Speaker 3: We have plenty of room. Yeah. So absolutely, we haven't
22:45
Speaker 3: got to white we haven't got to wide receivers or
22:46
Speaker 3: running backs yet. Yeah. Wide receivers are five hundred thousand,
22:51
Speaker 3: two million dollars JJ Buchanan's going to demand a million dollars.
22:55
Speaker 3: I'm not saying no to that.
22:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, I especially he was great all year, but his
23:05
Speaker 5: final impression that he gave you, he was probably the
23:08
Speaker 5: best game he had all year in that Vegas ball.
23:10
Speaker 3: So yes, he's give him a million. What about Larry Simmons,
23:16
Speaker 3: He's got another year. I saw some really nice things
23:19
Speaker 3: from Larry. He started to develop a little chemistry with
23:21
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks that we are keeping, mind you.
23:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, red zone threat especially. I I really like Larry Simmons.
23:28
Speaker 3: Tiangle toe's on the sideline. I love me some Larry Williams.
23:31
Speaker 3: In a pressure type situation, I do.
23:34
Speaker 5: I do love Larry Simmons. I don't know if I
23:37
Speaker 5: pay him as much as I paid J. J.
23:39
Speaker 3: Bucannon though. Okay, so you want to give based on
23:43
Speaker 3: the RA fifty? Are we saying than that? Let's uh,
23:48
Speaker 3: you know what, because we have to be a little
23:50
Speaker 3: bit conservative. Let's say we're gonna give him, We're gonna
23:54
Speaker 3: give him the five hundred, We're gonna give him the
23:56
Speaker 3: wide receiver minimum of five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah,
23:59
Speaker 3: i'mkay with that. So now one point five million dollars
24:02
Speaker 3: gives us two wide receivers, and we know we need
24:04
Speaker 3: more than that, but let's just for the sake of
24:06
Speaker 3: the exercise, we are now up to about ten million
24:09
Speaker 3: dollars on our salary cap with quarterbacks, offensive line, two
24:15
Speaker 3: wide receivers, just two your top two. Okay, all right,
24:20
Speaker 3: I'm feeling pretty good. I think we're in a good
24:21
Speaker 3: situation right now. Running back four hundred thousand to nine
24:25
Speaker 3: hundred thousand way Sean Parker, I think is going to
24:28
Speaker 3: be demanding closer to the high end of that scale
24:32
Speaker 3: he's gonna ask for.
24:33
Speaker 5: I would guess that he's gonna demand a million a
24:37
Speaker 5: little higher than that, and Utah's gonna have a hard
24:43
Speaker 5: time not paying him a little bit higher, I think.
24:46
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're going over the cap. Maybe for we're
24:49
Speaker 3: going we're going a million.
24:51
Speaker 5: Or for the exercise, we could put we do nine
24:53
Speaker 5: hundred k. But I think they probably he might end
24:57
Speaker 5: up getting a little bit more because he probably has
24:59
Speaker 5: that kind of leverage.
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Speaker 3: Okay, how about we do this, we commit one point
25:04
Speaker 3: five million to our running back room. Because you can't
25:06
Speaker 3: just put all the eggs in the way Shawn Parker basket.
25:09
Speaker 3: You gotta figure out if you can keep Daniel bray
25:12
Speaker 3: uh Nikarie Rodgers doesn't have any more eligibility, if I'm
25:15
Speaker 3: not mistaken, racing Gilroy is already off to LSU. You
25:20
Speaker 3: have to play for Lane.
25:21
Speaker 5: Kiffin, LaMarcus Bell coming in as a freshman too.
25:25
Speaker 7: Is that?
25:26
Speaker 3: Yeah? That Oregon the top Oregon running high school running right. Okay,
25:29
Speaker 3: so one point five million dollars to the running back room.
25:32
Speaker 3: We feeling good about that? Yeah? All right, Now we're
25:35
Speaker 3: about twelve million dollars and I think our offense looks
25:39
Speaker 3: pretty good. Oh but wait, wait, there's more. We need
25:41
Speaker 3: a tight end, James, and we're calling JJ buchannan wide receivers,
25:46
Speaker 3: so not tight end. Yeah, I'm not gonna call it
25:49
Speaker 3: tight end until he gains twenty five more pounds.
25:52
Speaker 5: Sorry, he's got the height for it, but yeah, not
25:54
Speaker 5: quite the the build.
25:59
Speaker 3: So right end, you've got to commit. According to the
26:04
Speaker 3: New York Times, anywhere from three hundred thousand to nine
26:07
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, let's say we call Hunter Andrews a tight
26:11
Speaker 3: end for the sake of the exercise. Yeah, all right,
26:13
Speaker 3: young guy. A lot of upside versatility in the offense,
26:17
Speaker 3: I hope he stays healthy this year. I really hope
26:20
Speaker 3: he stays healthy. Take care of yourself. Loves a player
26:23
Speaker 3: like this. Now, that tight end, I mean, Hunter Andrews
26:27
Speaker 3: coming off an injury probably can't demand super top dollar.
26:31
Speaker 3: So let's say five hundred thousand dollars to Hunter Andrews
26:35
Speaker 3: or whoever that tight end is.
26:36
Speaker 5: Are we okay with that? Do we just be super aggressive? Hey,
26:38
Speaker 5: prove it to me Hunter Andrews three hundred k.
26:41
Speaker 3: I don't. I wouldn't run that risk. I'm gonna go
26:44
Speaker 3: five hundred. Okay, So just for the starters, just for
26:48
Speaker 3: like an actual starting eleven James, we are what we are,
26:53
Speaker 3: thirteen million dollars in to our twenty million dollars salary cap,
26:58
Speaker 3: twelve and a half million dollars in to our twenty
27:02
Speaker 3: million dollars salary cap, just for the starting offense with
27:06
Speaker 3: no depth, with zero depth, do you see the challenge
27:11
Speaker 3: that is faced by teams that are in the power
27:15
Speaker 3: for and expected to compete in the power for, but
27:18
Speaker 3: don't have the bottomless resources of Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan,
27:23
Speaker 3: Texas Tech. Now that we have, just using these very
27:27
Speaker 3: loose and pretty arbitrary parameters of the New York Times article.
27:33
Speaker 3: Do we see how challenging this is? We are more
27:36
Speaker 3: than halfway through our salary cap on just the starting offense,
27:42
Speaker 3: not recruits that we expect to be a big deal
27:44
Speaker 3: later on, not depth players that we know we're gonna use,
27:48
Speaker 3: not the three, four, five wide receivers that at least
27:52
Speaker 3: have to have a little smattering of something. We're just
27:56
Speaker 3: talking about projected starters on our offense. No kicker, no defense,
28:05
Speaker 3: no punt returner, no nothing in that range. And we
28:09
Speaker 3: are just already starting to be like, oh, where do
28:13
Speaker 3: you got to pinch these pennies? Do we see how
28:16
Speaker 3: challenging this is?
28:17
Speaker 4: Right now, GM slash personnel manager is now just as
28:25
Speaker 4: important in the college football world as head coach right
28:30
Speaker 4: behind him?
28:32
Speaker 5: Absolutely bananas, And look, I haven't even looked at defense yet,
28:36
Speaker 5: which is.
28:37
Speaker 3: We haven't even looked at the defense yet.
28:38
Speaker 5: Which is the calling card, the signature of this program.
28:42
Speaker 5: So of course, so those guys are gonna get like,
28:44
Speaker 5: those guys are gonna demand a lot of money. Morgan Scalley,
28:48
Speaker 5: defensive minded head coach, former defensive coordinator, is going to
28:52
Speaker 5: want to pay those guys top dollar.
28:54
Speaker 8: And we don't have that.
28:56
Speaker 3: I guess we did give some money to the edge
28:58
Speaker 3: rushers already because they're the same expensive.
29:00
Speaker 5: You're right, we've talked a little bit about the defense.
29:04
Speaker 3: But we've talked mostly offense. And we still have to
29:07
Speaker 3: have corners three of them, by the way, because you're
29:11
Speaker 3: running nickel all the time. Corners, safeties, interior defensive linemen,
29:17
Speaker 3: and linebackers. And by the way, John ou Hall might
29:21
Speaker 3: be the best returning player on your defense next year.
29:26
Speaker 3: You absolutely cannot afford to let that guy leave. So
29:31
Speaker 3: this is the situation we're in. We'll we'll dive back
29:33
Speaker 3: into this exercise a little bit later on in the show,
29:36
Speaker 3: but I wanted to to at least walk myself and
29:39
Speaker 3: hopefully our listeners found it interesting through just like the
29:44
Speaker 3: very very color, outside the lines, loose guidelines of what
29:49
Speaker 3: it takes to feel the competitive roster in college football
29:52
Speaker 3: right now puts you as you're trying to do this
29:55
Speaker 3: two quarterback thing, as you're trying to retain the highest
30:00
Speaker 3: rated recruit in the history of your program, who's only
30:02
Speaker 3: a freshman, who we think is going to be a
30:04
Speaker 3: day one starter, Like you've got to do all of this,
30:08
Speaker 3: and you got to do it on not quite a
30:10
Speaker 3: shoestring budget, because there are teams out there who aren't
30:13
Speaker 3: even able to meet the full revenue share cap. But
30:17
Speaker 3: you are Utah. You are Utah Football. You're Morgan Scalley
30:21
Speaker 3: taking of a program. Now that everyone's looking at the
30:23
Speaker 3: personnel and saying, well, I know you lost some assistant coaches,
30:27
Speaker 3: but you should win this league or you should compete
30:30
Speaker 3: to win this league. And I don't want to hear
30:32
Speaker 3: any excuses that you didn't have enough money in the
30:34
Speaker 3: nil world. That's where we're at today, getting ready for
30:38
Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley's introductory press conference. As long as we're talking
30:43
Speaker 3: about coaches and we're talking about official Utah properties here,
30:47
Speaker 3: the Alex Smith Coaches Show, we're going to replay that tonight.
30:52
Speaker 3: So if you missed it last night, or if you
30:54
Speaker 3: experienced some of the technical difficulties that our listeners did
30:56
Speaker 3: last night, we're going to replay the Alex Jensen Coaches
30:59
Speaker 3: Show tonight after the drive. All Right, we're starting off
31:07
Speaker 3: hot on a Tuesday. We're gonna have some fun here
31:09
Speaker 3: as we build toward the Morgan Scalley introductory press conference.
31:13
Speaker 3: Gordi Chias at Next We've got a little Jonathan Tabernari
31:17
Speaker 3: for Red and Blue coming up at noon, and then
31:19
Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz at one. Nobody better to talk to about
31:23
Speaker 3: Jordan Gross and what he could be as a coach
31:26
Speaker 3: than Jeff Schwartz, because Jordan Gross took Jeff Schwartz under
31:29
Speaker 3: his wing as a rookie and helped him to have
31:31
Speaker 3: a decade long career in the NFL. Sean O'Connell Show
31:35
Speaker 3: just getting started on ESPN seven and ninety two.
31:41
Speaker 8: Peace out.
31:42
Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
31:45
Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. If he's forgotten more about
31:48
Speaker 1: the NBA than any of us will ever.
31:50
Speaker 3: Know, Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk.
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Speaker 7: Stay for his list of the day, My list today.
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Speaker 1: Here's oc with Basketball savon Gordy Chiasa on the show
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Speaker 1: on O'Connell's.
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Speaker 2: Show, Jean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two.
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Speaker 3: One. Ifm we welcome in Gordy Chazo or Basketball Insider
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Speaker 3: Luck Steeler, Gordy welcome again. How are you sar?
32:18
Speaker 9: Thanks sure, and I'm doing fine, thank you.
32:22
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little Utah Jazz last night against the
32:24
Speaker 3: Portland Trailblazers. Interesting game, Jazz who dug themselves a big
32:30
Speaker 3: hole in the first half, especially with just kind of
32:32
Speaker 3: sloppy play, misshots, especially close to the basket around the rim.
32:37
Speaker 3: As you're watching that game, can you tell me why
32:40
Speaker 3: it was going down like that? It felt like they
32:43
Speaker 3: were getting good shots and just not getting them to fall.
32:46
Speaker 9: Yeah, they were hurry. The shots are basically hurry in
32:48
Speaker 9: that game, and they basically punished shot as far as
32:53
Speaker 9: not following through. And add to that, they're making a
32:56
Speaker 9: lot of free point shots deep troub Blazers, So every
33:00
Speaker 9: possession to start that game was even more magnified versus
33:04
Speaker 9: settling down. Try to shoot in either individual rhythm or
33:08
Speaker 9: team harmony, and that's when you really score the ball
33:11
Speaker 9: at a much more fluid pace. And the Trailblazers, to
33:16
Speaker 9: their credit, they were their aggressor and that was a
33:19
Speaker 9: big factor in the game. And let's not forget that
33:23
Speaker 9: the Trailblazers during the Jazz division and I further, it's
33:27
Speaker 9: chantey that the Jazz right now owns seven in division play.
33:32
Speaker 9: So visualized the NFL if you were in a division
33:35
Speaker 9: and you had your winless so far, and so in
33:38
Speaker 9: the Jazz Division for the listeners, it's the Thunder, the Nuggets,
33:42
Speaker 9: the Timblewolves, and the Trailblazers, and so they've got to
33:45
Speaker 9: improve themselves as far as a winning games in the
33:48
Speaker 9: division because that's one of the tiebreakers someday went heading
33:51
Speaker 9: to the playoffs.
33:56
Speaker 3: Do you like the role that Isaiah Collier is playing
33:58
Speaker 3: right now? We talked a lot about him coming back
34:01
Speaker 3: and what that does for Kyante. Kiante ended up with
34:06
Speaker 3: with a good game again last night, below his season
34:08
Speaker 3: average in terms of scoring an output. But do you
34:12
Speaker 3: like what they're doing with Isaiah Callier not only for
34:15
Speaker 3: Kiante's sake but for the entire team?
34:18
Speaker 9: Yeah, very much. He's past happy your last night's game
34:21
Speaker 9: ten points, eight assist, but it's when he got them.
34:24
Speaker 9: He's a good leader, he knows how to play the position,
34:28
Speaker 9: and he gets players organized. Your job as a point
34:31
Speaker 9: guard in the NBA is to one get everybody organized
34:35
Speaker 9: before you make that first entry pass, whether it's to
34:39
Speaker 9: wing or at the obo. And then the second part
34:41
Speaker 9: of that is that you've got to be able to
34:44
Speaker 9: swing the ball. And the third part is that your
34:48
Speaker 9: the ability to make an open shot. So since a
34:51
Speaker 9: decade sewing that an NBA winning point guard. Your world
34:55
Speaker 9: changes every twenty four seconds, and within the twenty four seconds,
34:59
Speaker 9: you'll role changes. So you go from distributor and a
35:03
Speaker 9: ball mover until maybe a shot maker went to a
35:07
Speaker 9: shot clock as far as under five seconds, and so
35:11
Speaker 9: it takes a lot of the mental skills in Isaiah Callier,
35:15
Speaker 9: he has it. I like when he plays in the
35:17
Speaker 9: game and they play off the ball Chantey George because
35:19
Speaker 9: he's more of a natural sport and it really helps
35:22
Speaker 9: it jazz as far as scoring, but also having more fluidity.
35:26
Speaker 3: I thought the broadcast team did a good job last
35:28
Speaker 3: night talking about the significance of the Portland Trailblazers for
35:33
Speaker 3: use of Nurkic and what that franchise did for nurk
35:37
Speaker 3: and how it affected his growth and things like that.
35:41
Speaker 3: When you have guys that are going back and they're
35:45
Speaker 3: playing against the franchise that they have a connection with,
35:47
Speaker 3: or they have close friends in that franchise or on
35:50
Speaker 3: that team or whatever, is there any difference in the
35:53
Speaker 3: way that a person has coached for that particular game,
35:57
Speaker 3: or just even the conversation you have in the locker
35:59
Speaker 3: room before that particular game, well it was.
36:04
Speaker 9: In season that year. Is traded, then absolutely talk about
36:08
Speaker 9: it that this guy's going to come at you right away,
36:12
Speaker 9: coming at yourself. Be alert to try to guard him,
36:14
Speaker 9: keep up the boards or challenge his shot, or if
36:17
Speaker 9: it's a defensive liability, attack them off to dribble. Now,
36:21
Speaker 9: as the years go on, it's lesser and lesser because
36:23
Speaker 9: that player now used to play in your team or
36:25
Speaker 9: for your franchise, but now it's on the other franchises
36:30
Speaker 9: organization and it's not as much as glaring and the
36:34
Speaker 9: emotional part of it. Usually speaking where you get traded,
36:37
Speaker 9: you feel either jilted by the former team or by
36:42
Speaker 9: the new team. You want to prove to them that
36:44
Speaker 9: they made the right decision for trading for you. It's
36:47
Speaker 9: an interesting phenominu.
36:51
Speaker 3: Gordy. You wanted to talk about short term ten day contracts.
36:55
Speaker 9: Oh absolutely, it started yesterday and Sean, here's the numbers.
37:00
Speaker 9: Are you sitting down there at the utes right now
37:02
Speaker 9: getting ready for the press conference for Morgan Stalley a
37:05
Speaker 9: ten day contract this year? So visualize the guy that
37:11
Speaker 9: was in the G League but not in a two
37:13
Speaker 9: way contract. So soon say someone like Dylan Jones, former
37:18
Speaker 9: Weaver State first round draft pick place for the ironically
37:22
Speaker 9: the Portland Trail Blazer's G League team, just saying that
37:24
Speaker 9: the ten year ten day contract is that in ten days.
37:29
Speaker 9: As far as so he'd be a second year player,
37:31
Speaker 9: he'd make one hundred and thirty one thousand dollars for
37:34
Speaker 9: ten days one thirty one common nine seventy. If you're
37:38
Speaker 9: a rookie, you make seventy three thousand. If you're a
37:41
Speaker 9: first year player, you make one hundred and seventeen thousand
37:45
Speaker 9: to ten days. Now, if you're a ten year veteran,
37:48
Speaker 9: the rated rules are if Sony signs, will say a
37:51
Speaker 9: ten year veteran WO will make for the ten days
37:56
Speaker 9: two hundred and eight thousand dollars and so it is
38:00
Speaker 9: absolutely a lot of money for ten days. And usually
38:03
Speaker 9: speaking those guys, if you're a younger guy, they want
38:06
Speaker 9: to get a look at you, I mean the present team.
38:09
Speaker 9: If you're a midtier veteran, they think that you can
38:13
Speaker 9: play in the team. They just want to see if
38:14
Speaker 9: you're in shape or not for those ten days and
38:16
Speaker 9: they're going to try to sign you for a second
38:18
Speaker 9: ten day where the rules are you only sign with
38:22
Speaker 9: a parent team two consecutive ten day contracts. After the
38:26
Speaker 9: twenty days, you have to then either be signed the
38:29
Speaker 9: rest of the season or are being waived. So it
38:31
Speaker 9: started yesterday. The huge factor as far as teams, who's.
38:38
Speaker 3: Your favorite guy? That started on that kind of like
38:43
Speaker 3: very uncertain footing, but ended up making himself a real
38:46
Speaker 3: presence in the NBA.
38:49
Speaker 9: Rocher bel He started a tender ten day contract a
38:52
Speaker 9: long long time ago and then worked his way up
38:55
Speaker 9: into intol really being really solid jazz player. With the
39:00
Speaker 9: Phoenix Suns, he was a huge part of them trying
39:02
Speaker 9: to be trying to get to the Western Conference finals.
39:05
Speaker 9: He became a knockdown three point shooter and really an
39:08
Speaker 9: all defensive player. As far as he's the second, first
39:10
Speaker 9: or second team, he'll be the most classic example of
39:14
Speaker 9: doing it, and as other players in the NBA is
39:17
Speaker 9: that most players in the G League for whatever reason,
39:21
Speaker 9: are miscasted, and you can make a discussion point is
39:26
Speaker 9: that you could change the NBA roster literally Delhi with
39:30
Speaker 9: guys in the G League, especially numbers of thirteen, fourteen
39:34
Speaker 9: to fifteen on your roster. And so that's what happens
39:37
Speaker 9: is that the ten day contracts for a lot of
39:39
Speaker 9: players shown are the entry level that for that player
39:44
Speaker 9: to be talked about among the coaches. See a lot
39:48
Speaker 9: of times in the NBA the NFL, the personnel people
39:52
Speaker 9: thought about the players all the time, but it's not
39:54
Speaker 9: the coaches because in season they're coaching their team. But
39:57
Speaker 9: once you're with a guy for ten days, you're around
40:00
Speaker 9: do more than you're going to say, Well, I never
40:02
Speaker 9: knew this guy was really that fleet footed, or this
40:05
Speaker 9: guy was a knockdown shooter, because now it's more visual
40:08
Speaker 9: and you can see the player that or add to that,
40:12
Speaker 9: this guy really is a good listening ability that when
40:15
Speaker 9: we say something and to walk through practice session, he
40:18
Speaker 9: listens and he gets it. So it's more of a
40:20
Speaker 9: combination of all the above that those guys might get
40:24
Speaker 9: into a game and play well and in a year
40:26
Speaker 9: later we'll get a stand in the contract.
40:30
Speaker 3: Gordia Jays is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
40:32
Speaker 3: Schill Talk at All Things NBA. So when you're when
40:37
Speaker 3: you were talking to staying on this, when we're talking
40:39
Speaker 3: about the way that people are miscast and you know
40:43
Speaker 3: the vision that a particular franchise has for them, or
40:46
Speaker 3: a particular coaching staff has for them. The solution is
40:50
Speaker 3: that usually found through the player, through the player's agent,
40:54
Speaker 3: through some like I don't know, Gordia. Chie's the type
40:58
Speaker 3: guru who just has a better record cognition for what
41:01
Speaker 3: the max potential could be. I mean, we're sitting here
41:03
Speaker 3: at Utah Football a press conference. That's one of the
41:06
Speaker 3: ways that this coaching staff has kind of made it say,
41:09
Speaker 3: is they recruit a wide receiver, they turn them into
41:11
Speaker 3: a defensive end if he ends up going to the
41:13
Speaker 3: NFL that way, who's responsible for finding the fix for
41:16
Speaker 3: these individuals?
41:20
Speaker 9: The personnel people find the talent, and then the coaching
41:24
Speaker 9: stare brings the best out of that talent. And that's
41:27
Speaker 9: a combination of both, and the winning franchises consistently have
41:32
Speaker 9: both parties work in harmony. And you always can't agree
41:35
Speaker 9: on players, but the majority of the players you absolutely
41:39
Speaker 9: agree on. And showing what you're talking also a think
41:43
Speaker 9: called intangibles that everyone can see visually. A person's talent,
41:48
Speaker 9: quickness of serious hops of fast twitched motion you can
41:53
Speaker 9: see visually, but it's the intangibles that players have. I
41:58
Speaker 9: just describe to the ultimate. So someone like that, he
42:02
Speaker 9: wouldn't pass the athletic test of most teams, but for
42:06
Speaker 9: a basketball player, yes he does. And that's where the
42:11
Speaker 9: better organizations they get it right consistently. And so it's
42:16
Speaker 9: on the coach to develop the talent, but it's on
42:18
Speaker 9: the personnel people that bring the talent in front of
42:21
Speaker 9: the coaches. That's why Sean is so important. Your position
42:25
Speaker 9: coach in the NFL, but also in the NBA, the
42:29
Speaker 9: assistant coaches, they're the ones basically the drive the improvement
42:33
Speaker 9: of the players, which you've got to be realistic about
42:36
Speaker 9: a player's ability. And as far as the head coach,
42:39
Speaker 9: besides winning, his job is to hide the players non
42:42
Speaker 9: strengths during your game so that the competition cannot expose
42:47
Speaker 9: his lack of foot speed, his lack of length, or
42:50
Speaker 9: if he's a robby shooter, get him, get him off
42:53
Speaker 9: the ball side and get him on the opposite side.
42:55
Speaker 9: What becomes an out velocity cutter. These we're all things
42:57
Speaker 9: that are small coaching, but they you with the players.
43:03
Speaker 3: So a month away from the trade deadline, do you
43:07
Speaker 3: anticipate that this is a wild trade season or we
43:09
Speaker 3: end up with the status quo.
43:15
Speaker 9: Well trade season, Yes, because there'll be a fire sale, Sean,
43:21
Speaker 9: just like last year. You know, I talked about it
43:22
Speaker 9: on the air in depth. So h's some teams that
43:25
Speaker 9: are losing and that some of their players, especially if
43:29
Speaker 9: the last year of a contract, and their agent is
43:32
Speaker 9: a very formidable person. The agent's going to try to
43:36
Speaker 9: x the team of that player who's losing. Can you
43:40
Speaker 9: trade my client known that, Sean, come July first, which
43:44
Speaker 9: is the magical date in the NBA. That same agent
43:47
Speaker 9: as other clients that the losing team wants to have
43:49
Speaker 9: on their team to make them more successful. So there'll
43:52
Speaker 9: be a fire sale with the Nets, the Wizards, the Paces,
43:57
Speaker 9: the Kings, the Pelotons, maybe the Grizzlies, maybe the pausing
44:05
Speaker 9: for a second, maybe Alanta Hawks, maybe the Bucks, maybe
44:09
Speaker 9: the Bulls. So there will be some players and those
44:12
Speaker 9: teams that will be traded between now and the trading deadline,
44:17
Speaker 9: which is which is our Thursday, February fifth. So it's
44:21
Speaker 9: going to be interesting. There'll be some trades, yes, But
44:25
Speaker 9: what about in Jazz basketball? Any trades you think?
44:29
Speaker 3: You tell me? I mean, that's all Lowry's name is
44:32
Speaker 3: going to get thrown into a bunch of stuff. I
44:34
Speaker 3: don't think he's going anywhere.
44:38
Speaker 9: Agrede, absolutely not. I to them, I played to the
44:42
Speaker 9: trading guards. Please don't trade it. Because he's a tremendous player.
44:46
Speaker 9: You can now find anybody in the drafts is going
44:49
Speaker 9: to average twenty seven points a game, eight boards, knockdown,
44:53
Speaker 9: three point shooter, eighty eight percent foul shooter, and most
44:57
Speaker 9: of all, never says the word in a positive way.
45:00
Speaker 9: He just plays the game. And he's wiry, tough, and
45:04
Speaker 9: so also he's in his prime. And the last part
45:06
Speaker 9: about it, like any business, what's going to cost? This
45:09
Speaker 9: cost certainty. You know his contract, it's this year plus
45:14
Speaker 9: three more. He finishes July first, twenty twenty nine season.
45:19
Speaker 9: This is what's going to cost. He's very good. He's
45:21
Speaker 9: worth every penny as far as in the NBA, as
45:24
Speaker 9: far as the Alexicon.
45:27
Speaker 3: What's your list today, Gordy?
45:29
Speaker 9: All right, but let's say, Sean, we've had a record
45:31
Speaker 9: amount of people scoring fifty points. The more so this
45:35
Speaker 9: season is showing eleven players already have scored fifty plus
45:39
Speaker 9: points in an NBA game, The most recent been Jail
45:42
Speaker 9: and Brown a fifty point jam versus the Clippers on
45:46
Speaker 9: Saturday night. So I redid this list. This is the
45:50
Speaker 9: most career fifty point games by individual and it's only
45:55
Speaker 9: regular season games, not players. It's a very short list
45:59
Speaker 9: fifty point games career wise. Number ten all time Kareem
46:04
Speaker 9: abdu Jabbar, he did it ten times, Ninth all time.
46:08
Speaker 9: Alan Iverson did it eleven times, tied for eighth, Rick
46:13
Speaker 9: Barry and Lebron James eighth place. They did it fourteen times,
46:18
Speaker 9: tied for sixth place. Two guards, Steph Curry and Dame Lillard.
46:24
Speaker 9: They both did it fifteen times fifty points some more.
46:28
Speaker 9: Fifth all time. Elgend Baylor did it seventeen times. Number three,
46:34
Speaker 9: tied Kobe Bryant and James Harden, who's shown the only
46:39
Speaker 9: left in his list. They've done it twenty five times
46:44
Speaker 9: fifty points some more games. Number two all time is
46:48
Speaker 9: Michael Jordan, he did it thirty one times, and the
46:51
Speaker 9: number one player of the most at the fifty point
46:55
Speaker 9: games is World Chamberlain. He did it one hundred and
46:58
Speaker 9: eighteen times in his career, which is eighty seven more
47:02
Speaker 9: than a second place holder of Michael Jordan.
47:06
Speaker 3: Oh Man, I wish so bad Wilt Chamberlain could be
47:11
Speaker 3: in today's NBA, just to see how dominant that would look.
47:15
Speaker 9: It was scored at age fifty or so. He passed
47:17
Speaker 9: away at eight sixty three back in nineteen ninety nine.
47:20
Speaker 9: I remember the day he passed through during It was
47:22
Speaker 9: during the preseason. I remember Jerry Sloan and I were
47:25
Speaker 9: talking about World Chamberlain because Jerry played against them, and
47:29
Speaker 9: Jerry's said to me that he was almost impossible to
47:32
Speaker 9: move out of the lane, and that when he ran
47:34
Speaker 9: the floor, usually speaking Jerry would try to take a
47:38
Speaker 9: charge on you know players, but against Wilt he was
47:41
Speaker 9: very hesitant, very hesitant, and you under worl oh absolutely
47:47
Speaker 9: he was again for the young listeners, and I'm truly
47:52
Speaker 9: when I say this, I'm pausing for effect. Is that
47:55
Speaker 9: he was seven foot one, twenty seventy five pounds with
47:58
Speaker 9: a thirty four inch waste, so his body was really
48:03
Speaker 9: humbly proportionately upper body strengths. And one time he high
48:07
Speaker 9: jumped six to eleven and sneakers without even like practicing.
48:12
Speaker 9: Six eleven high jumper and sneakers join old school, you
48:17
Speaker 9: know PF flyers, you know old school pro keats.
48:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, just how he's an alien.
48:27
Speaker 9: He's an alien and speaking of it. But in jazz
48:29
Speaker 9: franchise aliens. Just quickly is that who the Jazz leaders
48:32
Speaker 9: in most fifty point games? Just two names quickly in
48:35
Speaker 9: one current Adrian Danley did it six times fifty points
48:39
Speaker 9: and more and Carl Malone that is four times. Larry
48:42
Speaker 9: Marketing of the Jazz presently had a fifty one point
48:46
Speaker 9: masterpiece versus the Suns this season on October twenty seventh,
48:51
Speaker 9: and a Jazz home overtime win. So Larry Markin also
48:56
Speaker 9: joins that group group where they're fifty to fifty one
48:59
Speaker 9: points as far as that. Navin Mitchell did it one
49:02
Speaker 9: time in a masterpiece and the NBA playoff bubble back
49:06
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty yet fifty seven points in an incredible
49:11
Speaker 9: formance against the Denver Nuggets, however unfortunately in a losing course,
49:16
Speaker 9: thus showing fifty points or more. It's really exclusive company.
49:22
Speaker 3: Gordie, it's always great catching up with you. Thanks for
49:24
Speaker 3: your time again today.
49:26
Speaker 9: Thanks Sewan, peace out, stay well.
49:28
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Speaker 3: starting to get active in the transfer portal here, as
51:00
Speaker 3: is every team in the country defensive richard freshman defensive
51:05
Speaker 3: lineman from the University of Wyoming. Kid named Lucas Sampsula
51:10
Speaker 3: is h he's coming to Utah. This is a guy
51:14
Speaker 3: that feels like he is the perfect fit for Utah's
51:19
Speaker 3: defense and we're gonna see how it works out with
51:25
Speaker 3: Luther Ellis. But I mean, the guy looks kind of
51:27
Speaker 3: like Lutherrellis. He's from Plano, Texas. In high school, he
51:34
Speaker 3: was a first team six to a tight end and
51:39
Speaker 3: they put some weight on him down up at the
51:41
Speaker 3: University of Wyoming. And man, he's got real athleticism, big size, six',
51:49
Speaker 3: four he's like three hundred and five pounds, now and
51:52
Speaker 3: he's transferring to The university Of. UTAH i think that's
51:56
Speaker 3: gonna be a good one for The. Utes and this
51:57
Speaker 3: is obviously one of those positions where you you've had
52:00
Speaker 3: a little bit of Injury attrician these last few, years
52:05
Speaker 3: and especially this last, year you got kind of the
52:09
Speaker 3: most that you could out of the defensive. Line but
52:12
Speaker 3: we saw in those last three games or, so, man
52:15
Speaker 3: it got a little bit too. Thin you need somebody
52:18
Speaker 3: to help fill out this. Rotation And Dallas voukolaki is
52:22
Speaker 3: entertaining other. Offers, now so you got to make sure
52:25
Speaker 3: that you're. BACKFILLING i, Like, AH i like the upside
52:30
Speaker 3: and potential of this kid From, wyoming and it's just
52:34
Speaker 3: the perfect kind of fit For Luther ellis's position. Room
52:38
Speaker 3: so good On utah for pulling in a guy like. This,
52:42
Speaker 3: OH i am. Sorry we'll, see is uh speaking? Of
52:46
Speaker 3: you said we'll see what happens With Luther?
52:47
Speaker 5: Ellis do We we haven't heard anything that's got to.
52:50
Speaker 5: Be got to feel like he's he's sticking around right
52:54
Speaker 5: like he's.
52:55
Speaker 3: Not, yeah he's. Staying he's not going. Anywhere Luther ellis
52:58
Speaker 3: is not going to be in the tran for, portal
53:00
Speaker 3: so to. Speak as a. Coach Kyle whittingham has filled
53:02
Speaker 3: out his coaching staff and that would be the only real, threat,
53:07
Speaker 3: Right that's WHAT i would. Think, yeah let's. See Luke,
53:11
Speaker 3: wells by the, way is coming down to be the
53:15
Speaker 3: assistant to be the tight ends coach For kevin McGivern
53:20
Speaker 3: on This utah. Staff that was the last position that
53:23
Speaker 3: needed to be filled After Freddie whittingham decided to follow
53:26
Speaker 3: his big, brother which all of us expected him. To
53:30
Speaker 3: Luke wells spent six the last six seasons At Utah,
53:33
Speaker 3: state worked inside receivers and tight, ends spent time as
53:39
Speaker 3: a co offensive coordinator and the quarterbacks, coach so he's
53:42
Speaker 3: worn multiple different hats At Utah, state which was his
53:46
Speaker 3: last coaching job in college. Football and that's going to
53:50
Speaker 3: be the guy who helps Out kevin McGibbon with the tight.
53:53
Speaker 3: Ends so, AGAIN i think that this you have kind
53:58
Speaker 3: of a situation right now where there's no, obvious like
54:02
Speaker 3: air apparent to What Dallan bentley was able to do
54:05
Speaker 3: in the offense this year with the traditional they like
54:09
Speaker 3: The Luke clemens, kid and beyond, that you got to
54:14
Speaker 3: put size on whoever else you're looking at right. NOW Jj,
54:17
Speaker 3: BUCHANAN i think is just going to be a wide.
54:19
Speaker 3: RECEIVER i can't imagine that they spend a lot of
54:22
Speaker 3: time trying to make him into a tight, end unless
54:25
Speaker 3: naturally this offseason through the lifting, program he ends, up you,
54:29
Speaker 3: know putting on like fifteen to twenty. Pounds Hunter andrews
54:33
Speaker 3: is going to be that hybrid type. Player But i'm
54:36
Speaker 3: really curious to see what the tight end position evolves
54:39
Speaker 3: into at The university Of utah Because Freddie whittingham did
54:42
Speaker 3: just an unbelievable job with that group these last few.
54:46
Speaker 3: Years so that's a, loss but one That utah has
54:49
Speaker 3: now filled With Luke wells coming down to be the
54:52
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57:03
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57:06
Speaker 3: At Kansas state eighty three seventy. Three what did you
57:09
Speaker 3: like that you? Saw in that.
57:10
Speaker 11: Game you, KNOW i like THAT byu, one you, KNOW
57:15
Speaker 11: i you know a lot of TIMES i compare things
57:18
Speaker 11: to how WHEN i was AT buyu and it reminded
57:21
Speaker 11: me a lot OF i think two thousand and nine
57:24
Speaker 11: when we were ACTUALLY po champions With. UTAH i think
57:28
Speaker 11: it Was Luke neville's senior, year IF i remember, correctly
57:32
Speaker 11: and that was you. Know and the reason WHY i say, That,
57:34
Speaker 11: seawn is because that youtha, team and in my, team
57:38
Speaker 11: we just went on the road.
57:39
Speaker 7: And, won, Right winning on The big twelve is.
57:43
Speaker 11: Hard winning on the road on The big twelve is
57:45
Speaker 11: twice as, difficult and a lot of times when you're
57:48
Speaker 11: aiming to win a championship like That utah, team like
57:52
Speaker 11: MY byu, teams you have to win on the road
57:55
Speaker 11: and you just have to get the job.
57:57
Speaker 7: Done it wasn't, pretty it wasn't really a great.
58:00
Speaker 11: Game you, KNOW buyu started so and, so but you,
58:03
Speaker 11: know they just played.
58:05
Speaker 7: Harder and WHAT i mean by that IS i don't
58:06
Speaker 7: want to Discredit Kansas, state.
58:08
Speaker 11: But Bu yu just played, hard and that means that
58:11
Speaker 11: if they do what they're supposed to, do they're gonna
58:13
Speaker 11: win a lot.
58:13
Speaker 7: Of these, games, Right and but it wasn't a pretty.
58:17
Speaker 11: Game Richie, saunders who is one of the you, know
58:20
Speaker 11: the featured players of The Big three this, year didn't
58:22
Speaker 11: have a great shooting. Night Rob bride was, okay he was,
58:25
Speaker 11: solid he wasn't.
58:26
Speaker 7: GREAT A j was a j which you, know he
58:30
Speaker 7: actually became the.
58:30
Speaker 11: Leading scorer in the country after the game Because Cam
58:33
Speaker 11: boozer out Of duke uh you, know didn't have a
58:36
Speaker 11: particularly you, know great scoring. Game and so another week
58:40
Speaker 11: goes BY Buyu Stars. Conference want to know a big,
58:43
Speaker 11: game you, know big solid game tomorrow night at The
58:45
Speaker 11: Marriott center before you, know the rivalry game up the
58:49
Speaker 11: hill On, saturday.
58:53
Speaker 3: They B yu out Rebounded Kansas state by double, digits
58:57
Speaker 3: largely because of the efforts of a guy we talked
58:59
Speaker 3: about Play money And Keba. KEITA i feel like they
59:03
Speaker 3: might be like virtually unbeatable if you can't match up
59:07
Speaker 3: with them in the rebound cat if you give especially
59:10
Speaker 3: offensive rebounds to THE Byu cougars and they get second
59:14
Speaker 3: and third opportunities on their scoring, end it feels like
59:17
Speaker 3: they're on their way to a really really serious. Year
59:21
Speaker 3: is this a pace that they can, sustain not just
59:24
Speaker 3: through the, preseason but In big twelve, play can they
59:27
Speaker 3: continue to rebound the way that they.
59:28
Speaker 11: Happen, well, LISTEN i was trying not to give away
59:31
Speaker 11: the map to.
59:32
Speaker 7: Victory but you, know since you brought it, UP i
59:34
Speaker 7: guess we got to talk about.
59:35
Speaker 11: It B yu really Missed keba in those you, know
59:39
Speaker 11: some of those really you know less highlighted games In
59:43
Speaker 11: december when he was, sick and it was exactly because
59:46
Speaker 11: of what you talked, About, sean you, know a fancy
59:48
Speaker 11: rebounding For buyu rebounding in. General you, Know keba is
59:52
Speaker 11: a is an absolute. Monster he is, strong he's a physical,
59:57
Speaker 11: specimen but he knows the. Game he's basketball like, you
1:00:01
Speaker 11: is very high. Level and so When keva is not
1:00:04
Speaker 11: around or he is in foul, Trouble byu really misses.
1:00:07
Speaker 7: That, now you. Know on the on the flip, side
1:00:09
Speaker 7: they now, have.
1:00:10
Speaker 11: You, know the the mid season transfer from THE G, League,
1:00:14
Speaker 11: abdullah he goes By bido and obviously he's helping a.
1:00:18
Speaker 11: Lot he actually Let buyu in blocks this Past. Saturday
1:00:22
Speaker 11: but you, Know byu is a team that they are solid. Defensively,
1:00:26
Speaker 11: uh but they are solid defensively as long as their
1:00:29
Speaker 11: main guys are playing you, know a lot of injuries
1:00:31
Speaker 11: have you, know have kind of slowed down this team
1:00:34
Speaker 11: and in terms of the bench and their.
1:00:36
Speaker 7: Rotation and you, know as much as it's talked.
1:00:39
Speaker 11: About The big, three, Uh keba needs to be talked
1:00:42
Speaker 11: about just as much because he is the anchor of
1:00:45
Speaker 11: the defense and because of his basketball, stabbnous he is
1:00:51
Speaker 11: able to a lot of times set a screen and
1:00:53
Speaker 11: roll to the basket and a lot of times he's actually,
1:00:55
Speaker 11: ceiling you, know the guy that he's rolling on to
1:00:59
Speaker 11: allow THE aj And rob to get to the to
1:01:02
Speaker 11: the to the cop and So keba is being is
1:01:05
Speaker 11: being a massive factor FOR byu this.
1:01:07
Speaker 7: Year all.
1:01:10
Speaker 3: RIGHT i got to ask you about this because you
1:01:12
Speaker 3: mentioned AND i was remiss last week when we touched on.
1:01:14
Speaker 3: It you, know when you get a bounce back, player
1:01:17
Speaker 3: right like they have With, abdullah and they've got and
1:01:20
Speaker 3: there's other teams all over college basketball that have kind
1:01:23
Speaker 3: of exploited this little, loophole and they've got THE G
1:01:26
Speaker 3: league bounce back, guys And baylor grabs someone who was
1:01:29
Speaker 3: a draft. Pick and you, know there's plenty of individuals
1:01:33
Speaker 3: who have come over TO ncaa basketball over the years
1:01:37
Speaker 3: after spending time in professional ranks overseas and it's sort
1:01:41
Speaker 3: of a gray. Area, well very few people are, equipped
1:01:44
Speaker 3: are better equipped than you to talk about the level
1:01:46
Speaker 3: of basketball that those guys experience overseas before they come
1:01:51
Speaker 3: PLAY ncuba. Basketball so even if we just focus on
1:01:54
Speaker 3: that little corner of the, MARKET i, mean how reasonable is, THIS.
1:01:59
Speaker 3: Jt how fair is it that someone can be like
1:02:03
Speaker 3: a top prospect over In europe and then have an
1:02:05
Speaker 3: opportunity to come back and be a scholarship, player especially
1:02:08
Speaker 3: adding a mid season is such a weird. Thing Utah
1:02:11
Speaker 3: Dinna BYU's done.
1:02:12
Speaker 1: It.
1:02:13
Speaker 3: Uh THE ncaa is, like, hey we're not going to
1:02:15
Speaker 3: allow this, anymore but everyone's just kind of like shut,
1:02:17
Speaker 3: up you can't stop. It so, like give me a
1:02:20
Speaker 3: sense of what that actually is professional experience of any
1:02:24
Speaker 3: kind and then you come back to college.
1:02:25
Speaker 11: Basketball So i'm gonna try to say, this and especially
1:02:30
Speaker 11: BECAUSE i am on a on a on a UTI ut,
1:02:33
Speaker 11: Program i'm gonna try to say this in a very unbiased.
1:02:36
Speaker 7: Way, RIGHT i want to look At Jaegor deming for a.
1:02:39
Speaker 11: Second When Yegor deming came TO, Byu yegor had played
1:02:44
Speaker 11: for Real, madrid which you, know you guys know J. C.
1:02:46
Speaker 7: Carroll he's a friend of the.
1:02:48
Speaker 11: Program, UH i know you guys have had him, Before
1:02:50
Speaker 11: Big Utah state, Name Big Utah hoops.
1:02:53
Speaker 7: Name, right you guys also Know.
1:02:55
Speaker 11: Travis hansen you know now in the in the fletic
1:02:57
Speaker 11: department OF. Byu sorid is arguably the greatest basketball club
1:03:03
Speaker 11: outside of THE.
1:03:03
Speaker 7: Nba very few people would you.
1:03:06
Speaker 11: Know try to you, know go against, that, Right jegor
1:03:10
Speaker 11: was playing ninety nine percent for their youth. Team Did
1:03:15
Speaker 11: yegor ever play on a professional, game, Yes jegor.
1:03:19
Speaker 7: Did yegor, PLAYED i believe in one or two Euro
1:03:22
Speaker 7: league games and then PLAYED i think.
1:03:24
Speaker 11: In one or TWO acb, games which is The Spanish.
1:03:28
Speaker 11: League Sean green a very dear close friend of, mine
1:03:31
Speaker 11: a former you'd actually played there at a very good
1:03:34
Speaker 11: career In. Europe but why DO i personally feel like
1:03:38
Speaker 11: it's okay For yegor to play Because yegor never had
1:03:41
Speaker 11: a professional. Contract yegor had a contract With Real madrid
1:03:46
Speaker 11: as a youth, contract meaning That yegor got to practice
1:03:51
Speaker 11: and very sporadically play With Real madrid in a junior,
1:03:56
Speaker 11: sense where he was never a full part time of the.
1:04:00
Speaker 11: Team he was a junior, player and there is that
1:04:03
Speaker 11: distinction In.
1:04:03
Speaker 7: Europe, now in.
1:04:05
Speaker 11: The case Of, abdullah the guy that just started playing FOR,
1:04:09
Speaker 11: byu instead of going to college as soon as he
1:04:13
Speaker 11: graduated high, school he went straight to THE G, league
1:04:16
Speaker 11: he never signed a professional contract in terms of playing
1:04:20
Speaker 11: in THE, nba and so that distinction of, like these
1:04:25
Speaker 11: two guys never had a full professional agreement in.
1:04:28
Speaker 7: Place they never played in.
1:04:30
Speaker 11: THE, nba they never played in the highest levels Of
1:04:34
Speaker 11: europe aside from that junior, contract which is very different
1:04:38
Speaker 11: than a senior. CONTRACT i can tell you that BECAUSE i,
1:04:41
Speaker 11: signed you, know almost a dozen of, them because of
1:04:44
Speaker 11: my career year for over a, DECADE i totally get
1:04:47
Speaker 11: SO i totally understand the quote unquote amateurism side of
1:04:51
Speaker 11: things that allowed THE ncaa to clear them. Eligible now
1:04:55
Speaker 11: let's flip to the situation At, baylor AND i don't
1:04:58
Speaker 11: remember his name of.
1:05:00
Speaker 7: The Guy, SEAN i don't know if you. Have It's james.
1:05:02
Speaker 11: SOMETHING i forgot his last, name and the kid From,
1:05:06
Speaker 11: baylor he had been drafted number one.
1:05:10
Speaker 7: And he also had played for The Chicago.
1:05:13
Speaker 11: Bulls and ACTUALLY i take that.
1:05:17
Speaker 7: Back he went through the.
1:05:18
Speaker 11: Draft he wasn't, Drafted but that kid actually went and
1:05:23
Speaker 11: played for The barcelona senior team and he.
1:05:27
Speaker 7: Played in the Euro. League, WELL, jt but you just
1:05:29
Speaker 7: Said yegor played in The Year.
1:05:30
Speaker 11: League yegor never had a full on professional contract because
1:05:34
Speaker 11: he had a junior. Contract you have to depause that
1:05:37
Speaker 11: you have to represent those contracts to the Year league
1:05:40
Speaker 11: and to The spanish. League the guy from the guy
1:05:43
Speaker 11: From baylor was a full time starter on THE acb
1:05:48
Speaker 11: and in the Euro, league not for half of a Season,
1:05:51
Speaker 11: sewan not for just a few, games for two full.
1:05:53
Speaker 11: Years and so that to me is just not because
1:05:58
Speaker 11: those will be the type of guys that myself And
1:06:00
Speaker 11: Luke neville And Johnny bryan And Lawrence bora and all
1:06:06
Speaker 11: of the former youths that have played there that win
1:06:09
Speaker 11: to play overseas, professionally.
1:06:11
Speaker 7: They all got to play against and so it is
1:06:14
Speaker 7: crazy to.
1:06:15
Speaker 11: Me thankfully they came to their senses and THE ncaa
1:06:19
Speaker 11: came to their. Senses and the guy that was with The,
1:06:22
Speaker 11: bulls that played some games with The bulls this season
1:06:25
Speaker 11: and is on THE G, league he is deemed inaligible
1:06:28
Speaker 11: to play in THE ncaaa but you know a lot
1:06:31
Speaker 11: of the, coaches AND i agree with them that has
1:06:33
Speaker 11: to be some defined lines, because as you mentioned when
1:06:36
Speaker 11: you ask the, Question, sean there are a lot of
1:06:39
Speaker 11: loopholes out there this year and people are taking advantage of.
1:06:42
Speaker 11: Them and you, know, again is it going to be
1:06:45
Speaker 11: something that whoever has the most money to hire the most,
1:06:48
Speaker 11: lawyers they're going to be able to find these? Loopholes
1:06:51
Speaker 11: what type of balance are you bringing to the game
1:06:54
Speaker 11: at that.
1:06:54
Speaker 3: Point it's such a strange situation to be in in
1:06:58
Speaker 3: college sports where we see like even just the regular
1:07:02
Speaker 3: high school athlete to college thing that's becoming more professional
1:07:06
Speaker 3: because of The nile, stuff, right because players are, paid
1:07:10
Speaker 3: because they have endorsement, deals because these teams have to
1:07:14
Speaker 3: treat them like professional. Athletes they've got free agency with
1:07:17
Speaker 3: the transfer portal and all that kind of. Thing but
1:07:19
Speaker 3: then to bring actual guys with pro experience back and
1:07:24
Speaker 3: just be, like, yeah, no he just gets a. Mulligan
1:07:26
Speaker 3: he's gonna do this over because he took a different.
1:07:29
Speaker 3: Path it just feels like it flies in the face
1:07:32
Speaker 3: of not only the rules that have existed for so,
1:07:35
Speaker 3: long but also kind of like the spirit of the
1:07:38
Speaker 3: whole thing like it's supposed to be college. Basketball it's
1:07:41
Speaker 3: supposed to be the next step after high, school or
1:07:43
Speaker 3: the next step after junior, college on your way to the,
1:07:46
Speaker 3: pros not a fallback if it doesn't work out in the.
1:07:48
Speaker 7: Pros, well AND i couldn't agree with that. More you,
1:07:52
Speaker 7: KNOW i would take my. Experience you, KNOW i came From.
1:07:54
Speaker 11: Brazil you AND i have talked about this off line shown.
1:07:58
Speaker 7: You, know basketball was my way out of.
1:08:00
Speaker 11: Resilt it was my way to be able to come
1:08:02
Speaker 11: To america and pursue My american.
1:08:04
Speaker 7: Dream and you know the fact THAT i earned a.
1:08:07
Speaker 11: Scholarship AND i was able to get through college for.
1:08:11
Speaker 11: Free you know that to me was the biggest accomplishment
1:08:14
Speaker 11: and the biggest.
1:08:15
Speaker 7: Inheritance my mom and dad could leave me and.
1:08:18
Speaker 11: Do why AM i one of those bitter guys that, go, oh,
1:08:21
Speaker 11: geez the guys should should not be getting paid right.
1:08:23
Speaker 11: NOW i can't believe they're getting. Money AND i was pretty.
1:08:26
Speaker 7: GOOD i probably would.
1:08:28
Speaker 11: Have demand would have command a million dollars or more
1:08:31
Speaker 11: back in my day on nil, Right but and So i'm.
1:08:34
Speaker 11: Not i'm not against the players getting. PAID i get.
1:08:37
Speaker 11: That the problem becomes as you pointed Out, sean when
1:08:41
Speaker 11: you actually have professional not only, experience because you can
1:08:46
Speaker 11: make the argument that if you're a junior player practicing
1:08:49
Speaker 11: with a professional, team you're getting you're getting professional.
1:08:52
Speaker 7: Experience But i'm talking.
1:08:54
Speaker 11: About in the sense of like you actually played a
1:08:56
Speaker 11: game in a professional, league not only a, game you
1:09:00
Speaker 11: played multiple, games you played multiple seasons on a professional.
1:09:03
Speaker 11: League that becomes a, problem Right and and to your,
1:09:07
Speaker 11: point you, know it used to be that after high,
1:09:10
Speaker 11: school if you are very developed physically but you're a
1:09:15
Speaker 11: little behind, academically you can go to a junior college
1:09:19
Speaker 11: and then you get can you can get your act together.
1:09:21
Speaker 7: And you get to go to.
1:09:22
Speaker 11: College and then prep schools became something where if maybe
1:09:26
Speaker 11: you weren't develop, academically maybe you weren't developed, physically you
1:09:31
Speaker 11: could skip junior college so you don't start your, flock
1:09:34
Speaker 11: and you can get, started you, know and you.
1:09:35
Speaker 7: Can go to a prep.
1:09:36
Speaker 11: School but now to your, POINT i, mean there are
1:09:40
Speaker 11: guys that have gone through the, draft they're going, undrafted
1:09:44
Speaker 11: they are even getting drafted in the second, round which
1:09:47
Speaker 11: is you, know not a guaranteed, contract and then they're
1:09:51
Speaker 11: being eligible to playing.
1:09:52
Speaker 7: College that to me is, insane. RIGHT i think THE ncaa.
1:09:56
Speaker 11: Has done a great job with allowing guys to test the,
1:10:00
Speaker 11: waters allowing.
1:10:01
Speaker 7: Guys you, know to go all the way to the
1:10:03
Speaker 7: deadline just before The june, draft.
1:10:06
Speaker 11: AND i think that's a great step in the right.
1:10:08
Speaker 11: Direction but allow a player to go fully, undrafted or
1:10:12
Speaker 11: even let a guy be drafted and come back and.
1:10:15
Speaker 11: PLAY i think at that, Point, sean we're doing as a, service.
1:10:19
Speaker 11: RIGHT i think THE ncaa at a certain point in,
1:10:21
Speaker 11: time and and like you told me last, time jayg
1:10:24
Speaker 11: if we're going to go down this rabbit, hole we're
1:10:25
Speaker 11: gonna need a.
1:10:26
Speaker 7: Whole podcast of a thousand episode.
1:10:28
Speaker 11: SERIES i think THE ncaa is trying to compensate on
1:10:32
Speaker 11: all of the the extreme knows that they have been given.
1:10:37
Speaker 7: Players throughout the. Years AND i think now things have
1:10:40
Speaker 7: gotten out a. Hand you, Know Mike.
1:10:42
Speaker 11: Leech, said once you know the genie is out of the,
1:10:45
Speaker 11: bottle the genie is never going to the never going
1:10:48
Speaker 11: back to the.
1:10:49
Speaker 7: Bottle AND i think that's.
1:10:50
Speaker 11: Okay but you have to have certain, guardrails you have
1:10:54
Speaker 11: to have certain parameters in place so you can avoid
1:10:57
Speaker 11: all of. This i'm going to give you an exemple
1:10:59
Speaker 11: the lest THING i SH i know we're going a
1:11:00
Speaker 11: little bit, overtime but for, instance B yu has two
1:11:03
Speaker 11: players right now THAT i personally wish they were playing much,
1:11:07
Speaker 11: Better electe And, Mohilo AND i wish that.
1:11:11
Speaker 7: They were playing much.
1:11:12
Speaker 11: Better And i've been hyper critical of them because they
1:11:16
Speaker 11: were playing multiple seasons at the professional level In europe
1:11:21
Speaker 11: and they were, playing you, know with guys THAT i
1:11:25
Speaker 11: played against there are now in the Euro league and
1:11:28
Speaker 11: you're playing at dead level and you can perform at
1:11:30
Speaker 11: the college.
1:11:30
Speaker 7: Level what are you?
1:11:32
Speaker 11: Doing and not only you're not, performing you're also getting
1:11:35
Speaker 11: paid to do, this and so you, KNOW, i LIKE i,
1:11:38
Speaker 11: Said i'm trying to say this from a non Blue
1:11:43
Speaker 11: goggles perspective BECAUSE byu has totally taken advantage of the,
1:11:47
Speaker 11: loophole and rightfully, so Like Kevin young, said you, know
1:11:50
Speaker 11: if the rule is open and we're doing everything by the,
1:11:53
Speaker 11: book we're not doing anything.
1:11:54
Speaker 7: Wrong AND i agree with.
1:11:55
Speaker 11: Him, nonetheless there has to be some parameters in, place
1:11:59
Speaker 11: so there is some form of fair play in.
1:12:03
Speaker 3: PLACE i couldn't agree with any of what you said
1:12:05
Speaker 3: more AND i actually thought you stated it perfectly when
1:12:08
Speaker 3: you said that THE ncaa is over compensating now because
1:12:11
Speaker 3: it was just, no, no, no no no for so.
1:12:14
Speaker 3: Long it's like being the strict parent and you, realize,
1:12:17
Speaker 3: Oh i've Been i've been smashing my kids' dreams for too.
1:12:20
Speaker 3: LONG i don't let them do, anything SO i become
1:12:23
Speaker 3: overly permissive AND i go too far on the other
1:12:25
Speaker 3: end of the. Spectrum that's what THE ncaa is doing right.
1:12:27
Speaker 3: Now you're absolutely right about. That Jonathan tabernari is our
1:12:31
Speaker 3: guest here for a couple more, Minutes red And blue
1:12:34
Speaker 3: on The sean O'Connell schow brought to you my friends
1:12:35
Speaker 3: At Murdoch Ford Santa. Quinn all, right so you referenced this.
1:12:40
Speaker 3: Earlier we got to talk about it BEFORE i let
1:12:42
Speaker 3: you get out of. Here UTAH byu a rivalry of
1:12:47
Speaker 3: the highest order in this. State and obviously the football
1:12:51
Speaker 3: rivalry has gone the way of The koogs. Recently the
1:12:53
Speaker 3: basketball rivalry was split last. Year but what's it gonna
1:12:58
Speaker 3: look like On?
1:13:00
Speaker 11: SATURDAY i personally think that This, saturday you, KNOW i
1:13:05
Speaker 11: Think utah steps up and you, type And utah plays
1:13:09
Speaker 11: better than has then it has been playing in a little.
1:13:11
Speaker 11: While AND i think that's because it's a rivalry. GAME
1:13:14
Speaker 11: i think it's the first rivalry game For. ALEX i,
1:13:17
Speaker 11: think you, know fan support In South lake is going
1:13:20
Speaker 11: to come out and show AND i think it's going
1:13:23
Speaker 11: to be a.
1:13:23
Speaker 7: Battle it is a.
1:13:24
Speaker 11: Rivalry, game you, know it doesn't matter how you want
1:13:26
Speaker 11: to slice. It obviously B yu are heavy favorites and
1:13:32
Speaker 11: just as based on how everything is, going but it's
1:13:34
Speaker 11: none of thee last a rivalry you, know and you
1:13:37
Speaker 11: know everything can happen on a rivalry. Game it's difficult
1:13:40
Speaker 11: to win a rivalry game by twenty thirty, points, Right
1:13:43
Speaker 11: and that's because guys have pride and they represent their
1:13:47
Speaker 11: team and so you, Know utah has had you, Know
1:13:50
Speaker 11: alex has done a better job of. Well alex has
1:13:53
Speaker 11: done a great job on trying to do everything that
1:13:54
Speaker 11: he's been doing this. Year BUT i think as off
1:13:56
Speaker 11: the last couple of, months things have picked up a
1:13:59
Speaker 11: little bit right beginning of the, season the struggles With,
1:14:02
Speaker 11: weaver a couple of LOSSES i think to Cal pally
1:14:05
Speaker 11: and To Grand canyon that we're so so.
1:14:09
Speaker 7: And Ellen day and now they're remping. Up obviously they lost.
1:14:12
Speaker 11: To, arizona but Again arizona's number one team in the,
1:14:14
Speaker 11: country and so that's, understandable and so the team keeps.
1:14:18
Speaker 11: IMPROVING i think it would be interesting a, battle you,
1:14:21
Speaker 11: know between a j and also a battle.
1:14:26
Speaker 7: Between my, gosh his name just cape to me right.
1:14:28
Speaker 11: Now he is he probably in Scores Tis brown and you,
1:14:33
Speaker 11: know Because terrence is, scoring you, know almost twenty two
1:14:36
Speaker 11: points a game and stays with the ball in his
1:14:39
Speaker 11: hands a, lot and, uh you know it will be
1:14:41
Speaker 11: it will be a great, game and you, Know i'm
1:14:44
Speaker 11: excited to watch, it.
1:14:47
Speaker 3: Jay. T it's always great getting your time and your.
1:14:49
Speaker 3: Perspective are you gonna be at the game On saturday?
1:14:52
Speaker 7: Night, Unfortunately i'm not my my my older. Boy he's.
1:14:56
Speaker 11: Thirteen he's part of a, select a select basketball.
1:14:59
Speaker 7: Team he's actually prett. Good i'm not.
1:15:00
Speaker 11: Exaggerating So i'm actually had it To arizona this. Weekend
1:15:05
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Speaker 11: of The Adida.
1:15:08
Speaker 7: Circuit so SADLY i won't be, there but i. Am
1:15:10
Speaker 7: i'm looking forward to being.
1:15:13
Speaker 11: At THE byu game in about you, know in about
1:15:17
Speaker 11: a few weeks when they play In.
1:15:18
Speaker 7: Provo i'll actually be there in.
1:15:20
Speaker 3: Person, Well, dad life is always more, Important SO i
1:15:23
Speaker 3: can appreciate. That thanks for your time, Again we'll talk.
1:15:26
Speaker 7: Soon, Man, HEY i appreciate you guys having me have
1:15:29
Speaker 7: a good.
1:15:29
Speaker 3: Day Jonathan TABERNARI. Jt brought to you By Murdock, Ford
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Speaker 3: santa Quin, On red And. Blue we get THE byu
1:15:37
Speaker 3: perspective on, things and, look, YES byu is going to
1:15:40
Speaker 3: be the heavy favorites at The Marriott, center excuse, me
1:15:44
Speaker 3: at The Huntsman center and at The Marriout. Center there
1:15:49
Speaker 3: they're gonna be favorites when they Play utah this. Year
1:15:51
Speaker 3: they are a loaded roster right. Now we talked about
1:15:55
Speaker 3: some of the things that do what they're doing so.
1:15:57
Speaker 3: Well utah basically has to play a perfect game against
1:16:02
Speaker 3: THIS byu. Team someone texted, IN i want to make
1:16:06
Speaker 3: SURE i shout it out seventeen forty. Three i'm very
1:16:11
Speaker 3: concerned about what might happen To utah men's Basketball saturday At. Huntsman,
1:16:15
Speaker 3: look you can't go into it with that. Mentality Alex
1:16:19
Speaker 3: jensen and company get to actually they get to play
1:16:22
Speaker 3: free a little bit in this. One, yes it's a rivalry,
1:16:25
Speaker 3: game there's always that context to, it but they are
1:16:29
Speaker 3: such big underdogs and people are overlooking them so, drastically
1:16:32
Speaker 3: including by the WAY byu will be overlooking. Them you
1:16:35
Speaker 3: were able to get one AGAINST byu last. Year you
1:16:38
Speaker 3: could do it again this. Year hopefully it's the home.
1:16:40
Speaker 3: CONTEST i don't like What kebukata is doing FOR byu right.
1:16:47
Speaker 3: NOW i wish he was doing it in A utah.
1:16:49
Speaker 8: Uniform.
1:16:49
Speaker 3: Yikes all. Right Daily dump is coming, next AND i
1:16:54
Speaker 3: think it's an appropriate place to put some of these sound.
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Speaker 3: Bites it's there are people who just want to flush
1:17:00
Speaker 3: away all memory Of Kyle. Whittingham he was On Dan
1:17:03
Speaker 3: patrick earlier. Today you could listen to it right here
1:17:06
Speaker 3: ON espn seven hundred and ninety two ONE. Fm Kyle
1:17:10
Speaker 3: whittingham had some interesting comments on The Dan Patrick. Show
1:17:13
Speaker 3: we'll part some of those. Out some other STORIES i
1:17:15
Speaker 3: want to touch on as. Well as we get closer
1:17:18
Speaker 3: to the introductory press conference For Morgan. Scaley they're setting
1:17:22
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Speaker 3: Duck all, RIGHT i got some Sound we're going to
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Speaker 3: give you somewhat. Begrudgingly Kyle whittingham was on The Dan
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Speaker 3: Patrick show this, morning uh and had a couple of different.
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Speaker 3: Comments let's because we started the show talking about THE
1:18:29
Speaker 3: nil model and going through an exercise of how we
1:18:32
Speaker 3: would Pay utah football players on a twenty million dollars salary.
1:18:36
Speaker 3: Cap we'll get into that again in our next segment
1:18:39
Speaker 3: just a little bit. Here But Kyle whittingham talked, about,
1:18:43
Speaker 3: well he answered a question about whether or not THE
1:18:45
Speaker 3: nil model is sustainable or.
1:18:47
Speaker 11: Not it's.
1:18:48
Speaker 8: Not it is not.
1:18:49
Speaker 10: Sustainable there's no question about. That something has got to,
1:18:52
Speaker 10: give AND i think it's you, know within a two
1:18:55
Speaker 10: to two to four five year. Window, here you're going
1:18:57
Speaker 10: to see a major Overhaul division one. FOOTBALL i think
1:19:00
Speaker 10: it's going to become more of a minor LEAGUE nfl.
1:19:03
Speaker 10: MODEL i think you're going to see a salary, cap collective,
1:19:06
Speaker 10: bargaining uh players as. EMPLOYEES i think that all that's
1:19:09
Speaker 10: coming because you're exactly, right we can't maintain this.
1:19:11
Speaker 8: Pace it's.
1:19:11
Speaker 3: Impossible can we have a?
1:19:13
Speaker 7: Commissioner, YES i would love.
1:19:15
Speaker 10: ONE i think THAT'S i think that's in the cards as.
1:19:17
Speaker 12: Well but is everybody gonna? Listen is THE sec gonna?
1:19:20
Speaker 12: Listen or The big?
1:19:20
Speaker 10: TEN i mean they have, to they have. To AND
1:19:22
Speaker 10: i think if we get you, know ultimately aligned with
1:19:24
Speaker 10: the super conferences and, uh you, know get, things uh
1:19:29
Speaker 10: commission you, know have a commissioner that runs it all
1:19:32
Speaker 10: and put some teeth into. IT i think that's the
1:19:34
Speaker 10: only way to. Survive and so and you're already seeing
1:19:36
Speaker 10: private equity starting In it's, yeah it's.
1:19:40
Speaker 3: Crazy So i'm actually really interested about, that in particular
1:19:45
Speaker 3: because this Is Dan patrick talking with the FORMER utai
1:19:48
Speaker 3: Coach Kyle, whittingham who she would always say. This he's
1:19:51
Speaker 3: been saying this for. Years, oh it's. Unsustainable. Can't you
1:19:54
Speaker 3: can't keep going at this. Pace and there was always
1:19:56
Speaker 3: like this kind of like subplot, there this context where
1:20:01
Speaker 3: he was talking about it's not sustainable for, everyone, right
1:20:05
Speaker 3: but you would assume that people feel like it might
1:20:07
Speaker 3: be sustainable For, Oregon, Miami, Ohio, State, Oklahoma, texas et.
1:20:13
Speaker 3: Cetera he's At michigan now and he, said, no it's
1:20:15
Speaker 3: still not. Sustainable so that's if the arms race is too,
1:20:19
Speaker 3: much even for the blue, bloods it's too much for.
1:20:22
Speaker 3: Everyone AND i echo what he was, saying n OC
1:20:25
Speaker 3: i the end.
1:20:27
Speaker 5: THERE i Wish Dan patrick had followed up on the
1:20:30
Speaker 5: end there when he, said and now you get private
1:20:32
Speaker 5: equity getting involved, dancing and now you get private equity
1:20:36
Speaker 5: get involved and he's, like, YEAH i, know it's. CRAZY
1:20:38
Speaker 5: i wish you would have followed up on, that knowing
1:20:40
Speaker 5: the recent, news the recent developments With Otro capital and
1:20:45
Speaker 5: and that private equity firm becoming part Of Utah athletics
1:20:49
Speaker 5: in the you, know in the in the recent, future
1:20:52
Speaker 5: the near future, here that's gonna get that's gonna get.
1:20:54
Speaker 3: Going because him SAYING i know it's.
1:20:58
Speaker 5: CRAZY i Mean utah fan listening to that now they
1:21:01
Speaker 5: listen listening to it on The Dan Patrick, Show i'm
1:21:04
Speaker 5: sure a lot of them, went.
1:21:05
Speaker 3: Yeah we knew that's why you're. Leaving we heard him
1:21:08
Speaker 3: just say he's it's.
1:21:09
Speaker 5: Crazy BUT i, mean he didn't really ask him about,
1:21:12
Speaker 5: It SO i would have wanted to.
1:21:13
Speaker 3: HEAR i would love to hear what like actually given
1:21:16
Speaker 3: on his, answer especially now that he's separated from The
1:21:18
Speaker 3: university Of, utah about whether that was a benefit or
1:21:21
Speaker 3: a cost for, him because like you could look at
1:21:24
Speaker 3: it both. Ways he could look at it and, say, well,
1:21:26
Speaker 3: GREAT i got more money coming in now that that's
1:21:29
Speaker 3: going to help. Me so it makes this whole model
1:21:33
Speaker 3: more sustainable potentially if you have enough influence with where
1:21:36
Speaker 3: the money's going to demand some for your football. Team
1:21:39
Speaker 3: but we didn't get. That we didn't get that follow,
1:21:41
Speaker 3: up like you, said staying on the line of what
1:21:44
Speaker 3: changes need to be made in college, football he was
1:21:46
Speaker 3: asked about the calendar and whether or not it can
1:21:50
Speaker 3: or needs to be. Tweaked we talked About Dan mullens
1:21:53
Speaker 3: or excuse, Me Dan lanning's thoughts on. This here's What
1:21:56
Speaker 3: Kyle whittingham had to.
1:21:57
Speaker 10: SAY i kind of agree with Coach Dan. Lannington it
1:22:00
Speaker 10: would be nice to have the season wrapped up By january,
1:22:02
Speaker 10: first especially the way the portal window is right. NOW i,
1:22:05
Speaker 10: mean it's, chaos and SO i think there needs to
1:22:09
Speaker 10: be revamping not only of the system, itself but at
1:22:11
Speaker 10: least immediately the. Calendar the calendar needs to be.
1:22:14
Speaker 3: Tweaked the calendar. IS i think if you end up
1:22:20
Speaker 3: with a commissioner of any kind or something that looks like,
1:22:22
Speaker 3: commissioner that is probably the first thing that needs to be.
1:22:26
Speaker 3: Addressed because the calendar doesn't require there's not gonna be
1:22:30
Speaker 3: any lawsuits over a calendar. Changing when you really start
1:22:34
Speaker 3: to get into the weeds of hey can we put
1:22:37
Speaker 3: a salary cap on people collective bargaining all that kind of,
1:22:40
Speaker 3: stuff that's when the lawyers get. Involved you don't have
1:22:44
Speaker 3: to have that for a calendar. Change you have to just, say,
1:22:48
Speaker 3: hey let's figure it out with our broadcast. Partners let's
1:22:51
Speaker 3: start the season a week, earlier whatever it, is and
1:22:54
Speaker 3: you figure it.
1:22:55
Speaker 5: OUT i actually Love Dan lanning's, idea and with kind
1:23:00
Speaker 5: of piggybacking off of that saying he endorses it, too
1:23:03
Speaker 5: because AS i was watching THE cfp quarterfinals On, thursday
1:23:10
Speaker 5: almost a week, Ago i'm going This Rose bowl pageantry
1:23:15
Speaker 5: and people don't talk near as much about The Sugar bowl.
1:23:18
Speaker 5: Pageantry it's not quite the, same but The Sugar, bowl
1:23:21
Speaker 5: The Rose bowl is the. Granddaddy it's it's the number
1:23:24
Speaker 5: one bowl. Game Sugar bowl is is the number, two
1:23:27
Speaker 5: right and has a lot of tradition and pageantry On
1:23:30
Speaker 5: january first as. Well i'm watching those And i'm, going
1:23:33
Speaker 5: this should be the. Venue these should be the venues
1:23:36
Speaker 5: for the national championship, game not the.
1:23:38
Speaker 3: Quarterfinals what are we?
1:23:40
Speaker 5: Doing And i'm, like it feels, like like you, said
1:23:45
Speaker 5: starting everybody on week zero, maybe or playing the first
1:23:50
Speaker 5: round earlier In, december if you can make that work
1:23:53
Speaker 5: with finals and all, that because that that's part of
1:23:56
Speaker 5: why the academic part is part of why they don't
1:23:59
Speaker 5: play as much in earlier In. December, Right if you
1:24:03
Speaker 5: can make that work, somehow one of those two. Things
1:24:05
Speaker 5: it just it feels like we should have these national
1:24:08
Speaker 5: championship games On New Year's day when everyone thinks of.
1:24:11
Speaker 5: That everyone has always thought of that day as the
1:24:14
Speaker 5: crowning moment of college football for the longest, time and
1:24:19
Speaker 5: and The Rose bowl slashed The Sugar bowl being the
1:24:22
Speaker 5: Crown jewels of the bull, season like for them to be,
1:24:26
Speaker 5: quarterfinals not even semi.
1:24:28
Speaker 3: Finals oh, see it just feels wrong too from that. Perspective,
1:24:31
Speaker 3: YEAH i think a lot of people are getting behind
1:24:34
Speaker 3: the sort of offhand comments about the calendar That Dan landing,
1:24:38
Speaker 3: made and hopefully we can see something toward that effort
1:24:42
Speaker 3: sooner than. Later all. Right funny to Hear Dan patrick
1:24:48
Speaker 3: ask this type of question To Kyle, whittingham but he
1:24:51
Speaker 3: was At he asked if he, could If Kyle whittingham
1:24:53
Speaker 3: could Take Ryan?
1:24:54
Speaker 12: Day could you Take Ryan day when you were, younger
1:25:00
Speaker 12: WHEN i was?
1:25:00
Speaker 3: Younger?
1:25:01
Speaker 7: Right you take him?
1:25:01
Speaker 3: Now so he's forty?
1:25:04
Speaker 7: Six, yeah could you Take.
1:25:07
Speaker 3: Ryan day right? Now in the? Octagon there's one.
1:25:10
Speaker 10: Way to find, out.
1:25:15
Speaker 3: Just so you, know all, Right Kyle whittingham's answer to
1:25:19
Speaker 3: that question about anyone is he thinks he could take
1:25:22
Speaker 3: anyone right. Now it's one of the things that you
1:25:25
Speaker 3: gotta still love About Kyle, whittingham even if you're really
1:25:27
Speaker 3: mad at him for. Leaving. Uh he is in his
1:25:31
Speaker 3: own mind and in the mind of everyone around, him
1:25:33
Speaker 3: he is an absolute alpha and a, badass and so
1:25:37
Speaker 3: he's not ever gonna capitulate somebody asked him that question
1:25:41
Speaker 3: about me one time when you're still, fighting WHEN i
1:25:46
Speaker 3: was still, fighting and he was just, LIKE i don't,
1:25:48
Speaker 3: KNOW i haven't really seen him fight, much BUT i
1:25:50
Speaker 3: THINK i.
1:25:50
Speaker 11: Do.
1:25:50
Speaker 3: Okay it's, like, dude come, On i'm a, Professional you're
1:25:54
Speaker 3: you're an old, coach is in good. Shape but, like but,
1:25:57
Speaker 3: like that's just it's a, mindset right You you never, say,
1:26:00
Speaker 3: Yeah i'm scared of that guy if you're in that particular. Mindset,
1:26:04
Speaker 3: wait hold, on we have breaking. News Ryan day, SAYS
1:26:07
Speaker 3: i can't Believe kyle would he have said that about
1:26:09
Speaker 3: me in my? Program all, Right this next one is
1:26:12
Speaker 3: the is the most relevant To utah football and the
1:26:15
Speaker 3: ONE i wanted to finish with in terms of the
1:26:17
Speaker 3: soundbites at, least because, uh there's you, know all these
1:26:21
Speaker 3: these questions still swirling around the future for Demon Dan
1:26:24
Speaker 3: pierre and For Bert, fickland and a lot of us
1:26:27
Speaker 3: put a logical attachment, to, well what happens with his coaching?
1:26:31
Speaker 3: Staff do they have a quarterback At? Michigan and the
1:26:34
Speaker 3: quarterback At michigan was the number one recruit in the
1:26:36
Speaker 3: country coming out of high. School his Names Bryce. Underwood
1:26:39
Speaker 3: you've all heard the name before he had an okay freshman.
1:26:42
Speaker 3: Season he looked very much like a freshman. Quarterback but you,
1:26:46
Speaker 3: know the upside is still agreed upon almost universally by
1:26:49
Speaker 3: everyone in. Football And Dan patrick, Asked Kyle, woodingham Is
1:26:53
Speaker 3: Bryce underwood? Sting we?
1:26:55
Speaker 10: Hope SO i think he's had he's got a he
1:26:58
Speaker 10: got a good. Vibe he don't, know, well you don't
1:27:01
Speaker 10: know anything. YET i, mean, shoot it's it's the, wild
1:27:03
Speaker 10: Wild west, Here, Dan and so we think we're in
1:27:08
Speaker 10: a good place With. Bryce he's a terrific young. Man
1:27:10
Speaker 10: i've sat down with him and he is really the
1:27:13
Speaker 10: heart and soul of his football. Team AND i think
1:27:16
Speaker 10: we're making good progress towards that.
1:27:18
Speaker 3: End so that Was this was an interview done Before
1:27:24
Speaker 3: Bryce underwood made an official made a public that he
1:27:28
Speaker 3: intends to return To, michigan which matters For utah football
1:27:32
Speaker 3: because if they've got the obvious candidate for their starting
1:27:35
Speaker 3: quarterback position in, place it is less likely That michigan
1:27:40
Speaker 3: is a player for the services Of Devin Dan pierre
1:27:42
Speaker 3: and For Bird. Fickland it doesn't mean that nobody else
1:27:46
Speaker 3: is calling those. Guys but This utah football program has
1:27:50
Speaker 3: done a really good job so far of building a
1:27:52
Speaker 3: fence around some of its top young. Talents by the,
1:27:56
Speaker 3: way just this is from an hour, AGO i saw
1:27:59
Speaker 3: THAT Jj buchanan has signed With Rosenhause sports as a
1:28:04
Speaker 3: as an agency as In. Drew so remember that exercise
1:28:10
Speaker 3: we were doing about how much you have to pay
1:28:12
Speaker 3: players in order to keep them. Here that price just
1:28:15
Speaker 3: went up probably five hundred grand FOR Jj, Buchanan because.
1:28:19
Speaker 5: IS jj going to be doing push ups in his
1:28:21
Speaker 5: driveway now with with with his agent looking on you.
1:28:25
Speaker 3: Just Drew rosenhause is the most, cutthroat ruthless and look
1:28:30
Speaker 3: It's Rosenhouse sports is his. Agency so it doesn't Mean
1:28:33
Speaker 3: Drew rosenhouse himself is REPRESENTING Jj. Buchanan these agencies have
1:28:38
Speaker 3: like a lot of junior agents and things like that
1:28:41
Speaker 3: that they. Assigned, probably, uh when when you've got like
1:28:44
Speaker 3: the top pitchers in baseball and the top quarterbacks in
1:28:47
Speaker 3: football and that kind of, thing you're probably not spending
1:28:50
Speaker 3: a lot of time on a tweet or tight end
1:28:53
Speaker 3: slash wide receiver from The university Of. Utah but the
1:28:56
Speaker 3: point still. Stands the reputation the name means, something and
1:28:59
Speaker 3: what the name means for teams is this is going
1:29:02
Speaker 3: to be more, Expensive so there's that, Also Kyle Windy
1:29:06
Speaker 3: hamwoo gave that uncertain. ANSWER i didn't know If bryce was,
1:29:09
Speaker 3: saying AND i think his points were. Made you just never.
1:29:11
Speaker 3: Know it's a wild. West there was a follow up
1:29:14
Speaker 3: Between dan and The Dan netes play that. Too we
1:29:17
Speaker 3: taped that.
1:29:17
Speaker 7: Yesterday five hours.
1:29:19
Speaker 12: Later Bryce underwood tweeted that he was staying At. Michigan
1:29:23
Speaker 12: but you could hear in his voice when he said
1:29:25
Speaker 12: is your quarterback going to be?
1:29:26
Speaker 7: Staying he's, like, uh. Hope so he didn't.
1:29:29
Speaker 3: Know, yeah do you think he didn't?
1:29:31
Speaker 12: Know, well if he, knew then why wouldn't he, SAY.
1:29:39
Speaker 3: I, mean nobody. Knows you can't say, YES i. Know
1:29:45
Speaker 3: you can't say definitively he's coming. Back you can't say
1:29:48
Speaker 3: definitively until the player himself announces this is. Official i'm.
1:29:54
Speaker 3: Done you gotta. Wait and by the, way that's an
1:29:59
Speaker 3: age old recruiting trick that if you announce something before
1:30:03
Speaker 3: the family gets to announce that the player gets to,
1:30:05
Speaker 3: announce another coach is going to come in and, say, oh,
1:30:08
Speaker 3: hey hold, on that was that was your thing to?
1:30:10
Speaker 3: Say he said it for. You that's the lack of.
1:30:13
Speaker 3: Respect so, look the right, thing the correct protocol for
1:30:17
Speaker 3: everyone in the coaching world is to let the players
1:30:21
Speaker 3: make the announcement public on their, socials on their, instagrams
1:30:25
Speaker 3: on their, twitters, whatever that's the right thing to.
1:30:27
Speaker 5: Do and to that, Point, SEATON i cut. IT i
1:30:32
Speaker 5: cut it After dan, says well if he, knew why
1:30:34
Speaker 5: when you Say seatan did come back and, say, WELL
1:30:38
Speaker 5: i assume he's wanting to let the player give the.
1:30:41
Speaker 5: Announcement that seems to be the antiquette is how he put.
1:30:45
Speaker 5: It But i'll But i'll say. This the reason WHY
1:30:48
Speaker 5: i clipped that specific follow up From dan and The
1:30:51
Speaker 5: dan nets after right immediately after they they stopped the
1:30:56
Speaker 5: uh or they finished the, interview was because it screams of,
1:31:02
Speaker 5: oh these guys don't know what with How wit. Operates
1:31:05
Speaker 5: these guys like we just spent the last two.
1:31:08
Speaker 3: Years you don't get definitive. Answers you're not gonna and
1:31:12
Speaker 3: they they expect it right now and they they're gonna
1:31:14
Speaker 3: learn to.
1:31:15
Speaker 5: Not, yeah like he's he's going to keep things close
1:31:18
Speaker 5: to the. Best he's going to give non answers or
1:31:21
Speaker 5: or non definitive, answers and he like he sort of
1:31:25
Speaker 5: said at the end of the at the end of
1:31:27
Speaker 5: the last clip when when he, answered Is Bryce underwoods
1:31:30
Speaker 5: saying he sort of, said, yeah it looks like he's
1:31:32
Speaker 5: going To but he didn't even he didn't even quite say.
1:31:34
Speaker 5: That he just kind of got right up to saying
1:31:36
Speaker 5: that and then didn't you, know like that's we know
1:31:40
Speaker 5: that ABOUT. Wit the national media is going to find
1:31:43
Speaker 5: that out about, that out ABOUT wit very, soon especially
1:31:46
Speaker 5: when it comes TO i don't know what the big
1:31:48
Speaker 5: tens uh pro or policy is on injury reporting or availability.
1:31:54
Speaker 5: Reporting they're gonna the nation is going to find out
1:31:57
Speaker 5: HOW wit operates in that and this kind of thing very.
1:32:01
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1:32:04
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1:33:08
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1:34:04
Speaker 3: in the transfer portal right, now the minimum pay for certain,
1:34:09
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1:34:23
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1:34:26
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1:34:30
Speaker 3: was gonna land at one of the blue. Bloods, instead
1:34:32
Speaker 3: he landed at a new blood With Texas. Tech to
1:34:36
Speaker 3: the tune of it sounds like about five million dollars
1:34:39
Speaker 3: For soresby to play for six months At Texas. Tech
1:34:45
Speaker 3: not a bad little, gig well done FOR i guess
1:34:47
Speaker 3: it's more like nine. Months but in any, case we
1:34:52
Speaker 3: went through the offense and we added the second most
1:34:56
Speaker 3: expensive according to this list position group is the pass,
1:34:59
Speaker 3: rushers which it reflects exactly what THE nfl salaries look. Like,
1:35:04
Speaker 3: quarterbacks top paid players in the, league pass, rushers offensive,
1:35:09
Speaker 3: tackles wide, receivers the people in the passing. Game, Right
1:35:14
Speaker 3: we went through the offense and we did some bargain
1:35:17
Speaker 3: basement prices on interior offensive, linemen on wide, receivers. Etc
1:35:23
Speaker 3: and you still were already over halfway through the twenty
1:35:27
Speaker 3: million dollar salary cap THAT i think is kind of
1:35:29
Speaker 3: a realistic number For utah. Football your revenue share is
1:35:32
Speaker 3: going to produce it in the neighborhood of sixteen. Million
1:35:35
Speaker 3: AND i think you could hopefully grab a few more
1:35:38
Speaker 3: commitments from boosters n nil deals like true nil deals
1:35:43
Speaker 3: where a car dealership or whatever, says, yeah i'll give
1:35:48
Speaker 3: you an extra million bucks if you can keep this guy,
1:35:51
Speaker 3: Here if you could keep this quarterback, here you could keep.
1:35:53
Speaker 3: This kelvin Obod kid committed to The university Of. Utah
1:35:56
Speaker 3: but we didn't even get to the. Defense all, Right
1:35:59
Speaker 3: so the pass rushers are the highest paid on the.
1:36:01
Speaker 3: Defense we were talking About Cash dilon And lance Holds,
1:36:04
Speaker 3: claw and we decided collectively collectively Being james and, myself
1:36:09
Speaker 3: we decided to, commit you, know a couple million bucks
1:36:15
Speaker 3: to your your edge rushers and don't don't sell us. Short.
1:36:19
Speaker 5: Okay we were officially collectively making these decisions on behalf
1:36:23
Speaker 5: of The sean O'Connell.
1:36:24
Speaker 3: Show, yes, yes SO i went through. It, Okay So
1:36:28
Speaker 3: i'm looking at the. Names i'm looking at the price
1:36:30
Speaker 3: points that we're talking about with pass, rushers interior defensive, linemen, linebackers, corners,
1:36:37
Speaker 3: safeties people that are on this. List. Okay so we
1:36:44
Speaker 3: Decided Cash Dilan lance Holds claw were the top candidates
1:36:47
Speaker 3: for nil deals at the pass rushing. Spot Because John
1:36:50
Speaker 3: Henry daily's off into the transfer. Portal maybe you get
1:36:53
Speaker 3: him to come. Back he's probably not playing much next,
1:36:56
Speaker 3: year if at. All, Anyway so two million bucks bear
1:36:59
Speaker 3: bear minimum in my, opinion to give your new position
1:37:05
Speaker 3: coach in terms of, players, right, uh two million. Bucks
1:37:11
Speaker 3: good little ground groundwork. There, now defensive, tackle we know
1:37:16
Speaker 3: you can't have two defensive, tackles especially the way That
1:37:19
Speaker 3: Morgan scalley likes to, rotate especially the way that this
1:37:22
Speaker 3: defense needs to be run. Correctly you got to have, four,
1:37:26
Speaker 3: right and if you want to keep the promising young
1:37:29
Speaker 3: talent that you have on that. Roster right, NOW i
1:37:31
Speaker 3: think this is actually gonna cost, You james more like
1:37:34
Speaker 3: three million dollars for your defensive tackle. Room, okay we
1:37:38
Speaker 3: know that they already locked Up Si. MOTUAPUAKA i don't
1:37:41
Speaker 3: know how much money he. Got Poopu cetpoloona had a
1:37:43
Speaker 3: really great freshman. Year Carson, KALFUSSI a lot of people
1:37:47
Speaker 3: think that he's got the highest upside of anyone in that.
1:37:50
Speaker 3: Group jonah Lea aya is only a red shirt. Sophomore
1:37:53
Speaker 3: he played a lot this. Year he was kind of
1:37:56
Speaker 3: pressed into some service last. Year Uh Dallas, bakalahi who
1:38:00
Speaker 3: he could be? Back he's he's fielding other, offers, Right
1:38:03
Speaker 3: BUT i think you got to commit at least three
1:38:05
Speaker 3: million dollars to your defensive tackle room because that three
1:38:08
Speaker 3: million dollars really has to cover like six, guys and
1:38:11
Speaker 3: at least Four is that? Enough is?
1:38:17
Speaker 1: That?
1:38:18
Speaker 3: Sorry it's A i think it's not, ENOUGH i, PUT
1:38:20
Speaker 3: i tweeted. OUT i actually think even at three million
1:38:23
Speaker 3: dollars on your defensive, line you're under. Paying all? Right
1:38:27
Speaker 3: that takes? Us yeahs like?
1:38:29
Speaker 5: That and how many how many guys are we saying
1:38:32
Speaker 5: we're spreading three million across the defensive tackle.
1:38:35
Speaker 3: Room it has to be at least, four right and more? Likely,
1:38:42
Speaker 3: yeah so it does feel a little. Low and according
1:38:45
Speaker 3: according to The The New York, times the the list
1:38:51
Speaker 3: put out there by the athletic that is really low
1:38:54
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand to one point five million for good defensive,
1:38:59
Speaker 3: linemen for starting, caliber power forward defensive. Lineman the cost
1:39:02
Speaker 3: of doing business just kind of is what it, is all. Right,
1:39:05
Speaker 3: now let's get to the. LINEBACKERS i think the linebackers
1:39:08
Speaker 3: are another situation where you're you're looking at they could
1:39:11
Speaker 3: be a strength of this. Team and, Look landerbarton underperformed
1:39:17
Speaker 3: this past. YEAR i know he was being. Paid levanni
1:39:20
Speaker 3: De mooney got. Hurt he had still had a really good.
1:39:23
Speaker 3: Year john Ou hall emerged as your best linebacker in
1:39:27
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Five he's gonna be your best linebacker and
1:39:30
Speaker 3: a priority for me on this defense to keep in
1:39:33
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, six linebackers are kind of the most affordable
1:39:37
Speaker 3: starters according to The Athletics. List but you're still talking
1:39:42
Speaker 3: about guys that are going to demand several hundred thousand dollars.
1:39:46
Speaker 3: Each And i'm looking At Cyrus, Polu i'm looking At,
1:39:50
Speaker 3: Reynolds i'm looking At JOHN. U. Hall i'm looking At
1:39:53
Speaker 3: Christian ellis if he doesn't put on a ton of
1:39:54
Speaker 3: size and end up being a down defensive. End these
1:39:59
Speaker 3: are excellent linebackers with some eligibility, left with some youth to.
1:40:03
Speaker 3: Them i'm committing at least two million dollars, again bargain.
1:40:08
Speaker 3: Basement i'm doing two million dollars to the linebacker. Room
1:40:11
Speaker 3: and now we're really starting to push, it.
1:40:13
Speaker 5: And we MAY i, mean you may have to to
1:40:16
Speaker 5: your point about that being bargain bargain. Basement you may
1:40:20
Speaker 5: have to live with paying a guy Like john, o'hall
1:40:24
Speaker 5: especially a little bit. More if you're not going to
1:40:27
Speaker 5: pay that much more over the the bare minimum bargain
1:40:31
Speaker 5: basement kind of budget for the rest of the. Group
1:40:34
Speaker 5: you may have to be be, Like, okay but we
1:40:36
Speaker 5: gotta Pay john, o'hall maybe maybe Even Trey. Reynolds that
1:40:39
Speaker 5: guy had a big impact in some is part of
1:40:43
Speaker 5: the linebacker rotation this year, too AND i would think
1:40:45
Speaker 5: that he's gonna have a ton of expectations going into
1:40:48
Speaker 5: this next.
1:40:48
Speaker 3: Year so, yeah that.
1:40:50
Speaker 5: That really might be the bare minimum of what you
1:40:54
Speaker 5: should pay for a linebacker. Room you might have to
1:40:57
Speaker 5: be willing to be okay with a little bit more than,
1:41:00
Speaker 5: that if not a lot more. Corners you've Got Don,
1:41:07
Speaker 5: saunders you Got, scoobye you GOT. J. C, Hart you've Got,
1:41:11
Speaker 5: Smith's snowden's money potentially coming off the, Books so hopefully
1:41:14
Speaker 5: that frees some things up for.
1:41:16
Speaker 3: You But i'm, GOING i, mean this is, like this
1:41:19
Speaker 3: is just criminally. Low i'm committing one point eight million
1:41:24
Speaker 3: dollars to the corners Because i'm running out of money
1:41:27
Speaker 3: here to try to stay even near my. Cap, remember
1:41:30
Speaker 3: we spent over ten million dollars on just offensive starters
1:41:33
Speaker 3: with no. Depth we're now approaching ten million dollars on
1:41:37
Speaker 3: the defense with minimal. Depth we've accounted for a little
1:41:40
Speaker 3: depth on the defensive line because you have, to all,
1:41:43
Speaker 3: Right so now corners just under two million bucks, Safeties
1:41:50
Speaker 3: Rabbit evans more eligibility because he's got the injury, Right
1:41:54
Speaker 3: Tayo johnson's, gone he's off into the transfer. Portal Fine
1:41:58
Speaker 3: brock Flotoly. Mauana he's a guy that they really really.
1:42:03
Speaker 3: Like Nate, ritchie they really really. Like they just got
1:42:06
Speaker 3: a kid out of the transfer. Portal his name's escaping
1:42:10
Speaker 3: me right. Now i'll look him up. Safety i've got
1:42:12
Speaker 3: a million five all right to try and spend on these.
1:42:15
Speaker 3: Guys that's three. Guys you need two, starters but you
1:42:20
Speaker 3: really need. More you really need kind of four. Safeties
1:42:22
Speaker 3: if you're gonna play, him you at least need three
1:42:24
Speaker 3: because someone's gonna have to. Go and by the, WAY
1:42:27
Speaker 3: i haven't even put down So, james just so you,
1:42:31
Speaker 3: know we're at ten point three million dollars for the.
1:42:33
Speaker 3: Defense we're at ten point two million dollars for the.
1:42:35
Speaker 3: Offense just your, starters no special, teamers very little depth
1:42:39
Speaker 3: accounted for here or just over our twenty million dollars salary. Cap,
1:42:43
Speaker 3: okay AND i haven't accounted For Celestie moa because he's
1:42:47
Speaker 3: a flex. Player he could put him, anywhere. Right you
1:42:50
Speaker 3: gotta pay that kid good money Because tennessee was gonna
1:42:52
Speaker 3: offer him that you gotta Pay Jackson benny because he
1:42:56
Speaker 3: could be a, corner he could be a. Safety he
1:42:58
Speaker 3: was one of the better defensive players on your. TEAM
1:43:01
Speaker 3: i didn't even put them on our list BECAUSE i
1:43:02
Speaker 3: don't know what he's gonna play next. Year i'm talking
1:43:05
Speaker 3: About Dylan, curtis the. Kicker he's. Back you had to
1:43:08
Speaker 3: pay him to come. BACK i don't know how much that.
1:43:10
Speaker 3: Is i'm putting all this out there not to be
1:43:12
Speaker 3: doom and. Gloom i'm putting it out there to say
1:43:15
Speaker 3: it is a difficult, job And Morgan scally and his
1:43:18
Speaker 3: staff have done really good work with making sure there
1:43:23
Speaker 3: has not been an exodus into the transfer. Portal that
1:43:26
Speaker 3: tells me a couple of. Things the revenue sharing model
1:43:30
Speaker 3: is working as well as it can For utah right.
1:43:32
Speaker 3: Now AND i believe what we're seeing because of the
1:43:37
Speaker 3: consistency that we appear to be able to hold on
1:43:39
Speaker 3: to with this, ROSTER i think you're getting boosters that
1:43:44
Speaker 3: have been on the. Sidelines to steal a quote From Cookie,
1:43:47
Speaker 3: man who might be, saying all, right you know, What
1:43:49
Speaker 3: i'm gonna step. Up i'm gonna Help morgan out in
1:43:51
Speaker 3: his first. YEAR i was sick of wit. STUFF i
1:43:54
Speaker 3: was sick of his communications. STYLE i was sick of
1:43:56
Speaker 3: him playing the cards too close to the, vest not
1:43:59
Speaker 3: wanting to go play golf with. Me whatever it. IS
1:44:01
Speaker 3: i think that you've got a little bit more support
1:44:05
Speaker 3: being deployed In morgan's favor right. Now if if you're
1:44:10
Speaker 3: gonna keep this, roster you gotta have. It twenty million ain't.
1:44:15
Speaker 3: Enough you probably need. Thirty can you get close to?
1:44:18
Speaker 12: That.
1:44:19
Speaker 3: WELL i think that they're doing as much as they
1:44:21
Speaker 3: can to keep these prices. Down but, Man, james we
1:44:26
Speaker 3: just went underpay on everybody on the defense and everybody
1:44:32
Speaker 3: on the, offense with maybe the exception of your backup.
1:44:34
Speaker 3: Quarterback and we're still pushing over a salary cap that
1:44:40
Speaker 3: goes beyond the revenue share.
1:44:41
Speaker 5: Number and AS i AS i mentioned as we were
1:44:45
Speaker 5: finishing up in the opening, segment the offensive side of,
1:44:47
Speaker 5: things primarily the offensive side of, things defense is the
1:44:52
Speaker 5: identity of h Of Utah football's. Program Morgan scally is
1:44:56
Speaker 5: a defensive. Guy of, course we all know that it's
1:45:00
Speaker 5: going to continue to be the identity Of Utah football's.
1:45:03
Speaker 5: Program the signature part Of utah football's. Program so of
1:45:07
Speaker 5: course they're going they're going to have to pay more
1:45:12
Speaker 5: than and they're going to want to pay more than
1:45:14
Speaker 5: just the bargain basement. Prices so we're being ultra conservative
1:45:19
Speaker 5: on the defensive, side and in reality it's probably going
1:45:24
Speaker 5: to push a lot higher than, that WHICH i hope
1:45:27
Speaker 5: what you're saying about your speculating about the possibility of
1:45:31
Speaker 5: these boosters being re energized and getting off the sidelines
1:45:35
Speaker 5: is true because they're going to need, it because especially
1:45:39
Speaker 5: on the defensive, side it's just you're not going to
1:45:41
Speaker 5: get these players new players, especially but you're you probably
1:45:47
Speaker 5: had to dedicate more than more than the ten to
1:45:51
Speaker 5: eleven million then we that we just.
1:45:53
Speaker 3: Allocated, right it's a wild. Deal it's a tough job right.
1:45:59
Speaker 3: Now but the point Is utah is doing. It they're doing.
1:46:04
Speaker 3: It the boosters are stepping, up the athletic department is
1:46:07
Speaker 3: deploying the, funds the coaching staff has the rapport with the,
1:46:11
Speaker 3: players the relationships. Necessary as far as we could, tell
1:46:15
Speaker 3: as far as it looks like right, now next year's,
1:46:18
Speaker 3: roster with the exception Of John Henry daily potentially being
1:46:21
Speaker 3: gone and he was going to be injured. Anyway With
1:46:24
Speaker 3: Smith noden being off into the transfer, portal you haven't
1:46:27
Speaker 3: lost anything that you feel like you can't. Replace you
1:46:32
Speaker 3: can Replace Smith, Noden you can certainly Replace Tao. JOHNSON
1:46:36
Speaker 3: i don't want to have to Replace John Henry, daily
1:46:41
Speaker 3: BUT i, mean look what you've, got and look look
1:46:44
Speaker 3: what it appears is coming. Back the reality of the
1:46:47
Speaker 3: situation is a twenty million dollars salary cap is a,
1:46:51
Speaker 3: scary scary number to have to deal, with and yet
1:46:54
Speaker 3: it looks like they are doing. It fingers.
1:46:56
Speaker 4: Crossed keep the optimism. Strong if this portal window closes.
1:47:03
Speaker 3: Without a major announcement from any of the players that
1:47:05
Speaker 3: we've talked about, today do you understand what a massive
1:47:09
Speaker 3: victory that is for The university Of. Utah do you
1:47:13
Speaker 3: understand what that tells you About Morgan scally and the
1:47:16
Speaker 3: job he is doing two weeks, in not even two
1:47:19
Speaker 3: weeks in pretty incredible. Stuff All, right we'll take a
1:47:25
Speaker 3: quick one. Here we'll come back With Jeff. Schwartz he
1:47:28
Speaker 3: has a unique perspective On Jordan, gross the new offensive
1:47:32
Speaker 3: line coach at The university Of. Utah they were teammates In.
1:47:35
Speaker 3: Carolina we'll talk to him about that much more On
1:47:38
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Speaker 3: Shot o'connas show our number three and we welcome in
1:48:05
Speaker 3: my good Friend Jeff schwartz football. INSIDE i just call
1:48:09
Speaker 3: him that because he could talk about every. Level, jeff,
1:48:11
Speaker 3: Welcome how are. You i'm, good.
1:48:14
Speaker 8: Sir you know My ducks play this week still or
1:48:19
Speaker 8: we're still doing?
1:48:19
Speaker 3: That i'm.
1:48:20
Speaker 8: NOT i Decided i'm not going to. Game i'm gonna stay.
1:48:21
Speaker 8: HOME a wh what what are you?
1:48:23
Speaker 3: Doing your alma mater is in a semi final? Game
1:48:27
Speaker 3: does this mean you're saving it for the national? Channel,
1:48:29
Speaker 3: Oh i'm going To.
1:48:30
Speaker 8: Miami, yeah, okay all. Right it's just like a hard
1:48:33
Speaker 8: cell with. Family he went To New york this. Week
1:48:36
Speaker 8: it's like just hard sell with the.
1:48:37
Speaker 3: Family you know, what you know WHAT i appreciate about, You,
1:48:40
Speaker 3: jeff is THAT i feel the same. WAY i hate
1:48:42
Speaker 3: leaving my family any more THAN i have. TO i
1:48:46
Speaker 3: don't like. To you, KNOW i travel enough for work
1:48:48
Speaker 3: THAT i don't feel good about, saying, Hey i'm also
1:48:50
Speaker 3: going for. This you know WHAT i like about. You
1:48:53
Speaker 3: though your wife doesn't feel that. Way she's just, Like,
1:48:55
Speaker 3: Jeff i'm we're going. Skiing i'm leaving you. Behind i'm,
1:48:58
Speaker 3: going oh, yeah If i'm leaving you. Behind but you
1:49:01
Speaker 3: still feel that, guilt that dad, guilt even though you
1:49:04
Speaker 3: don't really have.
1:49:05
Speaker 8: To but but the scheme thing LIKE i get to
1:49:07
Speaker 8: just sit home and watch football by, myself SO i
1:49:09
Speaker 8: get a win out of. That she is left alone
1:49:12
Speaker 8: with the, kids like it's just me as our first
1:49:14
Speaker 8: basketball game this, weekend and for like it just it's
1:49:17
Speaker 8: just it just doesn't make. Sense So i'm not going
1:49:19
Speaker 8: to do. It but uh we are tell you, what,
1:49:23
Speaker 8: man the portal and injuries are killing us right now because,
1:49:27
Speaker 8: LOOK i know the kids have to go in the
1:49:29
Speaker 8: portal and this is not at all like it is
1:49:31
Speaker 8: what it is like they have to, leave but we
1:49:34
Speaker 8: basically don't have a backup. Secondary one of our running
1:49:38
Speaker 8: backs just, left like we just like you're out of,
1:49:40
Speaker 8: players out of, players but then one gets hurt On.
1:49:44
Speaker 8: Friday we are. Screwed we might be screwed, anyways but
1:49:46
Speaker 8: we're definitely screwed if, no if anyone gets hurt in this.
1:49:49
Speaker 3: Game we'll get to that game. More and here in a,
1:49:53
Speaker 3: SECOND i want to talk about an announcement THAT i
1:49:57
Speaker 3: was expecting THAT i think you were expecting. That we
1:50:00
Speaker 3: a text back and forth about fourth about that is.
1:50:02
Speaker 3: Official Now Jordan gross your former, teammate is the new
1:50:06
Speaker 3: offensive line coach at The university Of. Utah and everyone
1:50:09
Speaker 3: listening to the show, knows like one of the major
1:50:12
Speaker 3: selling Points i'm bringing somebody Like Jordan gross in because
1:50:14
Speaker 3: he got you, know he coached in high, school the
1:50:16
Speaker 3: number one recruit in the history of this. Program now
1:50:19
Speaker 3: he's the right. Guy there were plenty of, people mostly
1:50:22
Speaker 3: from a posting fan, basis who were, like, oh you
1:50:25
Speaker 3: hired a high school, coach what are you? Doing do
1:50:29
Speaker 3: me a, favor and just if you can give me
1:50:32
Speaker 3: an idea Of jordan gross as a football. Mind we
1:50:37
Speaker 3: saw what he is as a football.
1:50:38
Speaker 8: Body oh, MAN i have so, much so much to.
1:50:42
Speaker 8: Say So jordan was my, Mentor like he was the
1:50:48
Speaker 8: only reason you playing music behind. THIS i like. This
1:50:53
Speaker 8: he was the only REASON i made it in THE,
1:50:55
Speaker 8: nfl AND i don't think that's a positive. Neckt i'm
1:50:57
Speaker 8: sure he's signed out to recruits right. Now the reason
1:50:58
Speaker 8: Why i'm a good coach Because Jeff schwartz maybe in THE,
1:51:02
Speaker 8: nfl but like he just you, KNOW i got THE
1:51:05
Speaker 8: nfl and him And Ryan cole took me under their
1:51:08
Speaker 8: wing for whatever. Reason they taught me how to. Train
1:51:13
Speaker 8: he taught me how to. Prepare he he changed my
1:51:16
Speaker 8: stance for, me which is super. Helpful he did everything
1:51:19
Speaker 8: THAT i needed to sit in THE. Nfl and he's
1:51:23
Speaker 8: just so bright and he was such a physical. Player
1:51:26
Speaker 8: he was so, smart you. Know you know there's like
1:51:28
Speaker 8: levels of, this, Right like there are players that Are
1:51:31
Speaker 8: hall Of fame, players AND i played with some of
1:51:33
Speaker 8: those and, they you, know they're on a different level
1:51:35
Speaker 8: than there's guys Like jordan that are Like hall of
1:51:38
Speaker 8: very very, good, right multiple Time pro, Bowler and just
1:51:41
Speaker 8: the way he went about preparing himself to play every,
1:51:44
Speaker 8: game the way he went about executing the game, plan
1:51:48
Speaker 8: his love for, football, right you, know his his, teaching
1:51:53
Speaker 8: teaching me young player really unmatched AND i remember so
1:51:57
Speaker 8: he got hurt twenty and ninety broke his like he Did,
1:52:00
Speaker 8: timfit which, said you know you break both bones in your.
1:52:02
Speaker 8: Leg he, did like In, november and he was back
1:52:05
Speaker 8: In march like beating us in running drills for off
1:52:08
Speaker 8: season workout. Program just like a fantastic like body like
1:52:11
Speaker 8: he just is a great football. Player it was a
1:52:13
Speaker 8: ton of fun to be around. Him i'm glad he's
1:52:16
Speaker 8: getting this. Job he would text me like once a
1:52:17
Speaker 8: year to help him maybe draw some plays up for
1:52:20
Speaker 8: like some some high. School it was fun to do
1:52:23
Speaker 8: that every now and. Then but, look but if he,
1:52:25
Speaker 8: is if he wants this, job he's perfect for. It
1:52:28
Speaker 8: he's gonna do a great job in this. ROLE i
1:52:31
Speaker 8: did text him on to. Day he never answered, me.
1:52:33
Speaker 8: Unfortunately i'm sure he had better things to do to answer.
1:52:35
Speaker 8: Me but our offensive line coach In carolina was. This
1:52:39
Speaker 8: it wasn't an old school, coach but old school. Personality
1:52:42
Speaker 8: and he said some things that were not appropriate to say.
1:52:44
Speaker 8: Now and one of them and he had a. Deep
1:52:46
Speaker 8: he had a. Deep he had a deep like A
1:52:49
Speaker 8: northeast accidents from The. Northeast and he would always, say
1:52:52
Speaker 8: hit him with your, purse and so you had a
1:52:57
Speaker 8: soft play Like, schwartz hit him with your. Purse and
1:53:00
Speaker 8: he but he said it in like a Deeply boston.
1:53:02
Speaker 8: ACCENT i can't do the Accent jordan. Can jordan's good with,
1:53:06
Speaker 8: voices and SO i texted, HIM i, SAID i don't
1:53:08
Speaker 8: think you can say this on your first, day but
1:53:10
Speaker 8: good luck on the job. Anyways but, YEAH i mean,
1:53:13
Speaker 8: yeah like if you had a soft, play he'd be,
1:53:15
Speaker 8: like hit him with Your Para schwartz Like and obviously
1:53:17
Speaker 8: that's something you cannot say in twenty twenty. Six but He,
1:53:23
Speaker 8: Uh jordan's been around a lot of different coaches and
1:53:26
Speaker 8: styles of, football. RIGHT i mean what we did early
1:53:28
Speaker 8: in my career was not what he did With Cam, newton.
1:53:30
Speaker 8: Right so he's seen sort of different ways to coach
1:53:34
Speaker 8: the run, game, right because the offensive line coaches are you,
1:53:36
Speaker 8: know they're one of their big duties is they're going
1:53:38
Speaker 8: to handle the run. Game so he's seen a run
1:53:41
Speaker 8: game with A Cam, newton, right he's part of that.
1:53:43
Speaker 8: Offense he's seen a run game that was more traditional
1:53:45
Speaker 8: with The Angel williams And Jonathan. Stewart he's seen a
1:53:48
Speaker 8: lot of different types of ways to win in, football
1:53:51
Speaker 8: AND i think it will be important At. Utah so
1:53:54
Speaker 8: obviously the connection to you know your your recruit is.
1:53:56
Speaker 8: IMPORTANT i would imagine that played a big role in
1:53:58
Speaker 8: maybe getting him the. Job but if he wants this
1:54:00
Speaker 8: job on, ME i don't know how you you tell him.
1:54:02
Speaker 8: No so very happy for him and you're excited to
1:54:06
Speaker 8: see what he does in that.
1:54:08
Speaker 3: Role so there's a there's a new article out on
1:54:14
Speaker 3: The athletic of what that was setting kind of the
1:54:17
Speaker 3: salary ranges for the transfer portal players that have been
1:54:21
Speaker 3: on the move so. Far AND i was looking at
1:54:24
Speaker 3: it and we're kind of like doing this. Exercise, okay
1:54:27
Speaker 3: who do you have to pay this on The utah?
1:54:28
Speaker 3: Roster just the guys that haven't already put their names
1:54:31
Speaker 3: in the portal to leave the name the guys that
1:54:34
Speaker 3: you haven't gotten out of the. Portal they made a
1:54:36
Speaker 3: couple of announcement on that today And i'm looking at
1:54:38
Speaker 3: it And i'm, like, man if you go buy the
1:54:40
Speaker 3: athletics numbers just to field starters with absolutely no, depth
1:54:44
Speaker 3: no special, teams you don't pay your kick or a dime,
1:54:47
Speaker 3: Whatever like you're looking at you gotta you got. Him
1:54:51
Speaker 3: spend twenty five million. Bucks, yep and twenty five. Million
1:54:54
Speaker 3: we've been told twenty five million might be a bridge
1:54:56
Speaker 3: too far for a lot Of big twelve. TEAMS i
1:54:59
Speaker 3: know it's not for Your Oregon, ducks but there's even
1:55:01
Speaker 3: teams in The big. TEN i was looking At rutgers
1:55:05
Speaker 3: is paying a wide receiver one point seven million. Dollars
1:55:08
Speaker 3: i'm just looking at, this And i'm just going, like
1:55:10
Speaker 3: oh my. Gosh. Yeah, SO i, mean with all that in,
1:55:14
Speaker 3: mind how important is the personnel, manager the general, manager
1:55:19
Speaker 3: the the cap guy in college football right? Now given
1:55:24
Speaker 3: even if if those athletic estimates are.
1:55:25
Speaker 8: Even close to, Accurate, WELL i think a couple of
1:55:28
Speaker 8: things are very. Important one is obviously your budget right
1:55:32
Speaker 8: and setting that and be and knowing what you know
1:55:35
Speaker 8: you can afford to pay each guy that's you, know
1:55:37
Speaker 8: that becomes very. Important but, also, LOOK i see this.
1:55:41
Speaker 8: Often it is true THOUGH i know people don't like
1:55:43
Speaker 8: to hear, it but not every player goes somewhere for
1:55:46
Speaker 8: all the money's right, now the money has to be.
1:55:48
Speaker 8: Adequate but this is where relationships, matter, Right it's where you,
1:55:53
Speaker 8: know does YOUR nil program deliver the money on? Time
1:55:57
Speaker 8: does it deliver it you know where it's supposed to?
1:55:59
Speaker 8: Go like all those things are, true, right how the
1:56:02
Speaker 8: contracts were in where the obligations for THE. Nil so
1:56:07
Speaker 8: those THINGS i say this a, Lot Like oregon doesn't
1:56:09
Speaker 8: pay the most for, everyone right they, don't but they
1:56:12
Speaker 8: have the best FUNCTIONING nil program in the, country and
1:56:16
Speaker 8: that goes a long. Way like players knowing they're getting
1:56:19
Speaker 8: the money that they have that they, negotiated players know
1:56:21
Speaker 8: that they're working with a professional. ORGANIZATION i think all
1:56:25
Speaker 8: those things. Matter, so, yeah the money certainly matters for,
1:56:29
Speaker 8: players but all the other things do as. Well the
1:56:31
Speaker 8: relationships with coaches are very important in this discussion as,
1:56:35
Speaker 8: well and so you Hopefully scoty can build those. Relationships you'll,
1:56:38
Speaker 8: again like go back To, jordan like having A Pro,
1:56:41
Speaker 8: Bowl All pro caliber offensive lineman who's a is he
1:56:44
Speaker 8: a Comfortable hall Of famer Or Utah hall Of famer
1:56:47
Speaker 8: some people, That, yeah like having that in the. Building,
1:56:50
Speaker 8: look maybe you take a little bit less Than utah
1:56:52
Speaker 8: to be with a guy like, that, Right like those,
1:56:54
Speaker 8: THINGS i think they all matter in the. End And
1:56:58
Speaker 8: utah is an established. Program programs like Like Texas tech for,
1:57:01
Speaker 8: example that we're not established in the way they are
1:57:03
Speaker 8: now that had to pay a lot for players because
1:57:07
Speaker 8: they you, know Like David. BAILEY i would imagine had
1:57:09
Speaker 8: playing of offers, elsewhere right and playing in places that
1:57:12
Speaker 8: had proven they've developed defensive, ends and that kid's. Amazing
1:57:15
Speaker 8: but you, know so you have to, OVERPAY i think
1:57:18
Speaker 8: if You're Texas tech, WHERE i don't think you have
1:57:20
Speaker 8: to overpay for YOUR, utah, Right like you just sell
1:57:22
Speaker 8: what your program. Is that they don't want to come,
1:57:23
Speaker 8: here THAT'S i, mean that. Stinks it's it's too, Bad
1:57:26
Speaker 8: but it's not your. PROBLEM i guess in the, end
1:57:28
Speaker 8: if if you're offering them marketing value and they go
1:57:30
Speaker 8: somewhere else for even more. Money SO i THINK i
1:57:33
Speaker 8: think it's sort of all relative for for the. Program but,
1:57:37
Speaker 8: YEAH i mean you need twenty million, DOLLARS i mean
1:57:39
Speaker 8: that's what it seems to cost the minimum, now plus
1:57:41
Speaker 8: you pay your coaches and your facility and your. Travel
1:57:43
Speaker 8: it's it's a lot of. Money.
1:57:45
Speaker 11: Man.
1:57:46
Speaker 3: Yeah there's just a lot going on right now in
1:57:49
Speaker 3: the college football, world and it's been it's been interesting
1:57:53
Speaker 3: for us here In Salt Lake city to see kind, of,
1:57:55
Speaker 3: uh this media tour That Kyle whittingham is going. On you,
1:57:59
Speaker 3: know he appears to be to refreshed for. Juvenated he's
1:58:02
Speaker 3: on all the big, shows and even At michigan he
1:58:06
Speaker 3: was asked By Dan patrick about the sustainability of this,
1:58:09
Speaker 3: model this spending, model and even with now The michigan,
1:58:12
Speaker 3: Resources he's, like, no can't stay this. Way SO i
1:58:15
Speaker 3: think that tells you. Something if you're at a blue
1:58:17
Speaker 3: blood program and you're for the first time in your,
1:58:20
Speaker 3: career you're experiencing what that looks like and you're still
1:58:23
Speaker 3: looking at it and going, like can't keep this, up,
1:58:24
Speaker 3: though it probably tells you a lot about the state
1:58:27
Speaker 3: of college.
1:58:28
Speaker 8: Football so when we first we were on the radio
1:58:32
Speaker 8: when this, happened, RIGHT i remember we talked about the
1:58:34
Speaker 8: idea of like there being a breaking point right where
1:58:36
Speaker 8: the return on investment just isn't, there And booster decided
1:58:40
Speaker 8: to pull. Back and it has not happened. YET i
1:58:42
Speaker 8: thought it. WOULD i thought it would happen much sooner than.
1:58:44
Speaker 8: This but, clearly like you, know and you see What
1:58:47
Speaker 8: Texas tech, DID i think you're sort of like all
1:58:50
Speaker 8: in on that. Idea look what they, did, Right they
1:58:53
Speaker 8: bought themselves a big roster and there they went from
1:58:56
Speaker 8: being you, know basically like not involved In kulchoba playoff
1:59:00
Speaker 8: to Being Super bowl college ball. Playoffs SO i think
1:59:02
Speaker 8: that The Texas tech model is gonna make people maybe
1:59:05
Speaker 8: more enthusiastic to pay. Money. NOW i, mean, Look soorsby
1:59:09
Speaker 8: is not worth five million dollars a. YEAR i don't
1:59:13
Speaker 8: care what you, Like you're just Not but, obviously, like
1:59:16
Speaker 8: what are you gonna? Do that's that's what tex is
1:59:18
Speaker 8: willing to pay. Him that's what that's what he's gonna.
1:59:20
Speaker 8: Make and maybe If Texas tech goes nine to three next,
1:59:25
Speaker 8: year they regret paying. Him but, LIKE i don't know
1:59:28
Speaker 8: why they would regret that at the, moment right like,
1:59:30
Speaker 8: that there's no reason to regret at the. Moment SO
1:59:33
Speaker 8: i think it's gonna change at some. POINT i don't know, when, THOUGH.
1:59:38
Speaker 3: I don't know. WHEN i Don't, again we talked so
1:59:40
Speaker 3: many times about Closing pandora's box and unringing the, bell
1:59:44
Speaker 3: and the time for that has passed in college. Football
1:59:48
Speaker 3: so it's gonna take another reorganization and then it'll be collective.
1:59:53
Speaker 3: Bargaining and that's a totally different thing to. Examine we
1:59:57
Speaker 3: won't get into that here on the show. Today schwartz
2:00:00
Speaker 3: is our. Guest by the, way we're talking about the
2:00:02
Speaker 3: college football landscape ahead of the introductory press conference For Morgan,
2:00:06
Speaker 3: scaley which, happens and we will carry live right here
2:00:09
Speaker 3: ON espn seven hundred and ninety TWO nfm right after
2:00:12
Speaker 3: my show goes. Final in, fact we're gonna end it
2:00:14
Speaker 3: a little bit, early just in Case morgan does What
2:00:16
Speaker 3: Kyle whittingham does and starts talking like three minutes before
2:00:19
Speaker 3: the top of the. Hour we're gonna make sure that
2:00:22
Speaker 3: we're covering. It There's jordan girls right. Now he's standing
2:00:25
Speaker 3: in front of. Me, jeff you want me to say
2:00:26
Speaker 3: something To jordan for, you.
2:00:28
Speaker 8: Yes to Say schwartze has hit him with your. Purse,
2:00:32
Speaker 8: Now i'm gonna.
2:00:33
Speaker 3: Try i'm gonna try and wave him in here to
2:00:34
Speaker 3: see IF i can get him to say something mean to.
2:00:36
Speaker 3: You but in any, case in any, case we, uh
2:00:41
Speaker 3: we're you, Know Morgan scalley takes. Over did you ever
2:00:45
Speaker 3: play for or you, know spend any time around the
2:00:49
Speaker 3: guy who followed the guy either as a player or
2:00:52
Speaker 3: as a coach in your?
2:00:53
Speaker 8: Career, NO i MEAN i was there When chip got To.
2:00:57
Speaker 8: Oregon who's oc, first, Right so a lot of was
2:01:00
Speaker 8: there my entire. TIME i Mean i've had new. COACHES
2:01:02
Speaker 8: i Think Ron river was a new coach in THE.
2:01:04
Speaker 8: Nfl but like he's not like it's not like he
2:01:06
Speaker 8: follow anyone, specifically, right he just was. Hired i've done that,
2:01:09
Speaker 8: before But i've never had like hire from within type
2:01:14
Speaker 8: of coach in any.
2:01:15
Speaker 3: SITUATION i just it's a lot of. Pressure he seems
2:01:19
Speaker 3: to be handling pretty well a week into the. Job
2:01:22
Speaker 3: and we'll see what the rest of this transfer portal
2:01:25
Speaker 3: window looks like For Morgan. Scalley and obviously when you
2:01:28
Speaker 3: get into the real thing next year and you got
2:01:32
Speaker 3: to start, competing and you got to start competing again
2:01:34
Speaker 3: with The texas text of the WORLD byu continues to
2:01:37
Speaker 3: spend a lot of money on their, program et, cetera et.
2:01:39
Speaker 3: Cetera back to The College Football, playoff Your Oregon ducks
2:01:43
Speaker 3: are in a semi. Final Old miss is one of
2:01:45
Speaker 3: the most fascinating stories right now for, me BECAUSE i,
2:01:48
Speaker 3: mean we're getting like week game, Week we're getting, yeah
2:01:53
Speaker 3: we'll let the offensive coordinator stay and continue to call
2:01:56
Speaker 3: plays For Old, Miss and you're getting all these transfer
2:01:59
Speaker 3: portal stories out How Lane kiffin tried to get all
2:02:01
Speaker 3: of his players to follow him and they're not a in,
2:02:03
Speaker 3: fact IN ls you guys are now going back To Old.
2:02:06
Speaker 3: Miss Can Old miss compete? Still can? They they didn't
2:02:09
Speaker 3: think they were gonna win last? Week can they win this? Week?
2:02:14
Speaker 8: SO i think the number one reason Why Wayne kiffen
2:02:18
Speaker 8: allowed his coaches are now su to coach An Old
2:02:23
Speaker 8: miss WAS i don't think he thought they would make
2:02:25
Speaker 8: it this, far, Right and obviously now he. Has and
2:02:28
Speaker 8: now it's, like, oh, wait are our coaches aren't going
2:02:32
Speaker 8: to be here for transchroportal and having college visits and and.
2:02:36
Speaker 8: Whatnot AND i mean that's unfortunate obviously that that that
2:02:39
Speaker 8: this is the. Case but this is what the schedule is, now,
2:02:41
Speaker 8: right this is what the schedule has. Become and so, yeah,
2:02:46
Speaker 8: LOOK i THINK i think the OC's gonna say but
2:02:47
Speaker 8: the running the running back coach is. GONE i, mean
2:02:49
Speaker 8: it just seems like an entire mess man they've. Done,
2:02:53
Speaker 8: LOOK i Thought georgia would smoke, Them so that's the
2:02:55
Speaker 8: one game that got wrong this. WEEK i Thought Ohio
2:02:57
Speaker 8: state would be, close a close, them so a loss
2:03:00
Speaker 8: didn't surprise me very. Much AND i thought Obviously oregon
2:03:03
Speaker 8: would have. WIN i Thought indiana would win pretty. Handily so, dude,
2:03:07
Speaker 8: Look chambliss has been really, good is. Improved he's IN
2:03:10
Speaker 8: d two last year at this, time which is kind
2:03:12
Speaker 8: of wild to, think so his ability to just continue
2:03:15
Speaker 8: to get better each and every. Week there defense is
2:03:19
Speaker 8: not very, good but they did it nothing Against, georgia,
2:03:21
Speaker 8: right they made enough. Plays so incredible, story, man incredible
2:03:24
Speaker 8: story What Old miss has done with all the all
2:03:27
Speaker 8: the drama around, them with What lane trying to sabotage. Them, so,
2:03:31
Speaker 8: uh hat tip to, them, man fantastic.
2:03:33
Speaker 3: Job can anyone Beat? INDIANA i, MEAN i.
2:03:39
Speaker 8: Hope so.
2:03:41
Speaker 3: Who's a better way to ask An oregon duck who
2:03:45
Speaker 3: is best equipped to Beat indiana of the remaining?
2:03:48
Speaker 8: FIELD i mean it's it's probably us Are. MIAMI i,
2:03:53
Speaker 8: MEAN i don't Think Old miss can do. It look
2:03:58
Speaker 8: as bad as we played the first, game it was
2:04:02
Speaker 8: twenty twenty in the fourth, quarter, right and we allowed
2:04:05
Speaker 8: three hundred and forty, yards which isn't a. Ton we
2:04:08
Speaker 8: ran the ball really, well just didn't run the ball.
2:04:11
Speaker 8: Enough the thing THAT i think the biggest problem for
2:04:13
Speaker 8: us is that in our bitter games this, year So
2:04:18
Speaker 8: Penn State, iowa the First indiana, game.
2:04:24
Speaker 11: We just.
2:04:26
Speaker 8: We have not been as crisp In Texas tech we've
2:04:28
Speaker 8: not been as crisp on. OFFENSE i think you have
2:04:31
Speaker 8: to be to win a game like. This i'm not
2:04:34
Speaker 8: saying you can't be like we. Can we can't just be,
2:04:38
Speaker 8: better like not have bad snaps right and and like
2:04:41
Speaker 8: not do some other silly things that feel like very
2:04:43
Speaker 8: self enforced. Wounds but Against, INDIANA i, mean they thrive
2:04:48
Speaker 8: on on forcing those and then of course taking advantage
2:04:51
Speaker 8: of of those of those, problems and so we have
2:04:54
Speaker 8: to just avoid. That we have to run the ball
2:04:56
Speaker 8: a bunch and avoid the dumb things that. HAPPENED i
2:04:59
Speaker 8: think our defense is gotten better this, year SO i
2:05:01
Speaker 8: think that we can potentially hold, them you, know Download
2:05:04
Speaker 8: BUT i put the stat out the other, Day landing's
2:05:06
Speaker 8: now FORTY i think it's forty eight and seven now
2:05:09
Speaker 8: HE'S i think are now thirty one to oher when
2:05:14
Speaker 8: his team has allowed less than thirty points in a. Game,
2:05:18
Speaker 8: wow they have not lost one time when his team
2:05:22
Speaker 8: has allowed lesson, like the losses are All indiana thirty twenty,
2:05:24
Speaker 8: Right washington scored in the thirties three, Times The beaver
2:05:28
Speaker 8: scored thirty, Four georgia scored forty. Nine Ohio state scored forty.
2:05:32
Speaker 8: One those are seven, Losses, like so if we can
2:05:37
Speaker 8: hold them like we've we've been in that in that.
2:05:40
Speaker 8: Rage now again there's some injury rumors about our running
2:05:43
Speaker 8: backs and it's not great and we're down some death.
2:05:45
Speaker 8: Pieces so we'll see how it. Goes BUT i, mean
2:05:48
Speaker 8: the case For oregon is that they clean up some
2:05:50
Speaker 8: of the offensive issues and that, LOOK i, mean you
2:05:54
Speaker 8: can you can make a. Case i'm not saying that
2:05:56
Speaker 8: it's a great. Case So i'm An oregon fan that
2:05:59
Speaker 8: you that Like, indiana are they going? Sixteen and?
2:06:03
Speaker 3: Oh like is that?
2:06:06
Speaker 8: Sixteen Oh? Sewan that would be the best season of
2:06:08
Speaker 8: all cultural. History they've won every close moment so far
2:06:13
Speaker 8: this season and just one of the biggest game in program.
2:06:16
Speaker 8: History the one thing About oregon That i've liked so
2:06:19
Speaker 8: far is this offseason as, postseasons they have very clearly
2:06:24
Speaker 8: planned their whole season around playing in the, playoffs, Right
2:06:29
Speaker 8: and SO i like, that like they've expected to be,
2:06:31
Speaker 8: here they've talked about wanting to be. Here doesn't mean
2:06:34
Speaker 8: you're gonna, win BUT i like the, mindset at least From,
2:06:36
Speaker 8: Oregon so it'd be. Fun we'll see what happens if they.
2:06:40
Speaker 8: Win i'll be In miami for the championship. Game, absolutely
2:06:43
Speaker 8: that'll be a ton of. Fun but looking forward To,
2:06:46
Speaker 8: FAY i feel, like, lastly it's a little bit of
2:06:49
Speaker 8: house money for. Us You're Dante. MOORE i think they
2:06:53
Speaker 8: expect to come back at this point where our team
2:06:55
Speaker 8: is going to be much better next. Season we're, returning
2:06:58
Speaker 8: LIKE i think everyone who can come back except on tight,
2:07:00
Speaker 8: end and it's gonna be a really it's an older
2:07:04
Speaker 8: team next. Season SO i think that this feels like
2:07:07
Speaker 8: just like house. Money. Now of COURSE i want to,
2:07:09
Speaker 8: win you, know let's do it, now but it does feel,
2:07:13
Speaker 8: like you, know if we lose this year In indiana
2:07:16
Speaker 8: who won the, championship graduals to, them but we'll shooting
2:07:18
Speaker 8: back next.
2:07:19
Speaker 3: YEAR i Want Dan lanning to be the college Football
2:07:22
Speaker 3: commissioner because he was asked and he gave the best
2:07:25
Speaker 3: answer we've. Heard he was just, like end the season
2:07:28
Speaker 3: On january. FIRST i, agree start in week, zero take
2:07:31
Speaker 3: away a bye, week play every week During, december don't
2:07:34
Speaker 3: give up all those saturdays to THE, nfl and let's
2:07:37
Speaker 3: finish this. Thing and you, know he's a compelling guy
2:07:39
Speaker 3: when he, Talks So, commissioner let him quit it ore
2:07:43
Speaker 3: again and make him the college football. Commissioner.
2:07:49
Speaker 8: That, LOOK i think that there's a little bit of
2:07:52
Speaker 8: like self promotion there BECAUSE i think he would have
2:07:54
Speaker 8: loved The oregan to play home game last year and
2:07:58
Speaker 8: that that wasn't the. Case and it's pretty easy to, say,
2:08:00
Speaker 8: yeah we'll go Play Texas. Tech why not when they're
2:08:03
Speaker 8: not doing? It BUT i do greve the schedule part of,
2:08:06
Speaker 8: it like the scheduled part of. It, look, man IT'S
2:08:08
Speaker 8: nfl posies in. Time the fact That culturable is still,
2:08:11
Speaker 8: PLAYING i think that's a. Problem and they're not even done,
2:08:14
Speaker 8: yet right but like this week has been dominating in
2:08:16
Speaker 8: sports by BY nfl playoff talk like, that that's what,
2:08:23
Speaker 8: this that's what the time of year is right. Now
2:08:25
Speaker 8: SO i just expect there to be some more changes
2:08:31
Speaker 8: and to the last thing to again the, Calendar sean
2:08:35
Speaker 8: just it just can't be this. Way you can't have
2:08:36
Speaker 8: the portal right now and make this all. Happen it's
2:08:39
Speaker 8: just it's feels very difficult to do all this all at.
2:08:41
Speaker 8: Once so and this See january, first open the portal
2:08:44
Speaker 8: up and then everyone's.
2:08:45
Speaker 3: Happy how do players feel when a kicker misses what
2:08:53
Speaker 3: should be a routine kick to keep you out of
2:08:56
Speaker 3: the playoffs.
2:08:57
Speaker 8: Loop the other. DAY i, MEAN i don't, know not.
2:09:01
Speaker 8: Great it's you, know it's so. Interesting it's like the
2:09:05
Speaker 8: internet is like it's, like oh my, god poor poor.
2:09:09
Speaker 8: Kicker i'm, like do your.
2:09:11
Speaker 3: Job no one says poor offensive lineman when he gives
2:09:16
Speaker 3: up a. Sack.
2:09:16
Speaker 8: Correct m.
2:09:20
Speaker 3: The why whenever someone setting a sack record is it?
2:09:24
Speaker 3: Unimpressive why is it not like a real sack every
2:09:26
Speaker 3: time that the record's on the, Line and it's like
2:09:30
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks like take a pseudo.
2:09:31
Speaker 8: Dive, Okay so The shanahan, PLAY i mean That Michael
2:09:36
Speaker 8: strahan play showed up today on my timeline because it
2:09:38
Speaker 8: was it's been it was, today like whenever twenty five years,
2:09:41
Speaker 8: ago twenty years, Ago farv took a complete dive on that. Play,
2:09:46
Speaker 8: right he rolled out to his right and his fell
2:09:47
Speaker 8: down and straight hand didn't even beat any when he
2:09:49
Speaker 8: just was staying. There Miles garrett like legitimately beat old
2:09:54
Speaker 8: end of brown and, BROUH i know where to. Go
2:09:57
Speaker 8: so he just didn't want to get hit By Miles
2:09:58
Speaker 8: garrett that they're not even comparable at.
2:10:01
Speaker 3: All, okay but what Did Joe burrow. PLAY i kind
2:10:08
Speaker 3: of he sort of stopped his forward motion and ended
2:10:12
Speaker 3: up going back into Into Miles garrett. Arms BUT i
2:10:16
Speaker 3: didn't blame him because if he kept going, forward ninety
2:10:18
Speaker 3: three was gonna get. Him so like there, was there's
2:10:21
Speaker 3: nothing he could do in that. One it just isn't
2:10:23
Speaker 3: fun when they just do it that way instead of
2:10:26
Speaker 3: getting lit, up you know WHAT i?
2:10:27
Speaker 8: Mean, correct and But, garrett, DUDE i, mean what an
2:10:30
Speaker 8: incredible accomplishment for. Him you, know people JUST i just
2:10:35
Speaker 8: kind of don't want to give guys credit when when
2:10:38
Speaker 8: records like this happened, me you, know straight hand was
2:10:40
Speaker 8: like he did in seventeen? Games he Did you're, right
2:10:41
Speaker 8: you did sixteen, games absolutely. Right but also prov took
2:10:44
Speaker 8: a die for, you so that also.
2:10:46
Speaker 3: Happened all, right, dude we'll let you. GO i always
2:10:51
Speaker 3: appreciate your.
2:10:51
Speaker 8: Time appreciate.
2:10:54
Speaker 11: It we have.
2:10:55
Speaker 3: Another we got.
2:10:56
Speaker 8: Another we got another organized portal commitments from just kickers
2:11:00
Speaker 8: and long snappers so far.
2:11:01
Speaker 3: Perfect that's what you, need, specialists.
2:11:03
Speaker 8: And it's all WE i just announced we've got another. Portal.
2:11:05
Speaker 8: Kicker it's. Awesome we're just just gonna just gonna Be
2:11:08
Speaker 8: we're gonna turn Into. Utah just punts and.
2:11:09
Speaker 3: Kicks let that be the, complete uh backbone of your.
2:11:17
Speaker 8: TEAM i, mean for, years that's what you guys did
2:11:20
Speaker 8: the best in the country At that is.
2:11:22
Speaker 3: True that is true for.
2:11:24
Speaker 8: You for you the entire time we get, radio you
2:11:26
Speaker 8: were the nemerest spect team the team in the.
2:11:28
Speaker 3: Country that's. Correct there was three back to back to
2:11:31
Speaker 3: Back Ray Guy award. Winners nobody else gets to say.
2:11:34
Speaker 8: That and we had On we had on the former
2:11:36
Speaker 8: punch all the, time Right, Yeah Tom, Hackett, Yeah Tom
2:11:41
Speaker 8: hackett was.
2:11:41
Speaker 3: Awesome that's our.
2:11:42
Speaker 8: Guy you guys ARE i would love if we were
2:11:45
Speaker 8: great at kicking every every. Year it's a big, benefit it's.
2:11:49
Speaker 3: NOT i, mean it's an often overlooked part of the.
2:11:52
Speaker 3: Game it's kind of like offensive line. Play you know
2:11:54
Speaker 3: this better THAN i. Do it's often overlooked until it's
2:11:57
Speaker 3: a problem and then you're just, like what the hell happened?
2:11:59
Speaker 8: HERE i, MEAN i would Imagine Illinois state wish they
2:12:02
Speaker 8: were better kicking field goals last.
2:12:03
Speaker 3: NIGHT i guarantee that's the. Case we hadn't even talked
2:12:09
Speaker 3: about that game.
2:12:10
Speaker 7: Yet.
2:12:10
Speaker 8: Today montana tried to lose that, game tried their. Best
2:12:13
Speaker 8: Illinois state wouldn't let.
2:12:14
Speaker 3: Him, Hey Montana, state that was the first championship they
2:12:18
Speaker 3: won in forty one. Years and they've been like a
2:12:21
Speaker 3: top ten team for. Decades they've been in the National
2:12:25
Speaker 3: championship game four. Times good for. Them finally get.
2:12:28
Speaker 8: One sounds a little bit like organ. Interesting we could
2:12:31
Speaker 8: both win this. Year all, right, dude all, right have
2:12:36
Speaker 8: a good press conference Till Jordan Usa hig if you see,
2:12:38
Speaker 8: Him i'll see. Him all, Right, bye.
2:12:40
Speaker 3: Guys That's Jeff, schwartz Former Jordan girls, teammate And i'm
2:12:45
Speaker 3: glad he said what he, said because, like if you're
2:12:47
Speaker 3: able to mentor, teammates there's a little bit of coaching you.
2:12:52
Speaker 3: Already and, he by the, way he was actually coaching
2:12:56
Speaker 3: in high. School and more, importantly most, importantly the guy
2:12:59
Speaker 3: just knows the sport of. Football and he has been
2:13:03
Speaker 3: an understudy as a player or whatever capacity to, great great,
2:13:07
Speaker 3: coaches higher level coaches than a lot of people that
2:13:09
Speaker 3: are on the staff around. Him he hasn't done the,
2:13:12
Speaker 3: job and there's gonna be things to, Learn but, MAN
2:13:16
Speaker 3: i Love Jordan gross as the offensive line coach at
2:13:19
Speaker 3: The university Of. Utah All, right another couple announcements look
2:13:26
Speaker 3: like they're coming for The university Of. Utah in regards
2:13:29
Speaker 3: to players maybe deciding to run it, back there's one
2:13:32
Speaker 3: for you THAT i think because of the, injury we
2:13:35
Speaker 3: didn't really talk about him at. All we didn't talk
2:13:37
Speaker 3: about him in our hypothetical salary cap conversation that we just.
2:13:42
Speaker 3: Had but we'll give you an announcement for one ute
2:13:45
Speaker 3: and say there's a big koog who said he's running it. Back,
2:13:49
Speaker 3: also we'll give you both of.
2:13:50
Speaker 7: Those.
2:13:50
Speaker 3: Next on The seat O'Connell, SHOW espn seven, hundred.
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Speaker 1: You were listening to A sean O'Connell show was source
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Speaker 7: Half An.
2:14:16
Speaker 3: North texas defensive End Ethan day has committed To utah
2:14:21
Speaker 3: from the transfer, portal The Lucas Samsula cat we already
2:14:26
Speaker 3: announced earlier coming down From. Wyoming let me just pull
2:14:32
Speaker 3: up Some Ethan day stats if he had any this
2:14:34
Speaker 3: year For North texas started all. Thirteen this is a
2:14:39
Speaker 3: good this is a good. Pickup forty eight, tackles seven
2:14:42
Speaker 3: tackles for, lost four and a half sacks and a
2:14:44
Speaker 3: fumble recovery playing the defense for That North texas. Team
2:14:49
Speaker 3: players starting to arrive for the introductory press conference For Morgan.
2:14:53
Speaker 3: Scalley coaches have already been Here boosters invites, ONLY i
2:15:00
Speaker 3: think was the situation for The boosters at this introductory press,
2:15:04
Speaker 3: conference which we will carry live right. Here we're gonna
2:15:07
Speaker 3: end our show just a touch early today so that
2:15:09
Speaker 3: we can get into the press conference on, time and
2:15:13
Speaker 3: The spence is going to be broadcasting live from The
2:15:17
Speaker 3: Field club as soon as the press conference is. Over
2:15:19
Speaker 3: but big day For utah football Is morgan scally is
2:15:23
Speaker 3: officially announced as the new head, coach taking over for
2:15:27
Speaker 3: his longtime Mentor Kyle whittingham who's now At michigan And
2:15:32
Speaker 3: utah getting some guys in the transfer portal making those announcements.
2:15:36
Speaker 3: Today Dadrin zipperer is running it. Back he was injured
2:15:39
Speaker 3: most of the, year so we didn't see a lot of,
2:15:41
Speaker 3: him but good to hear That zip is coming back
2:15:44
Speaker 3: and hopefully we'll be a big part of the offense moving. Forward,
2:15:48
Speaker 3: celesimoa according to, insiders is enrolled at The university Of
2:15:52
Speaker 3: utah right now and no indication that he's planning on going.
2:15:57
Speaker 3: Anywhere so a lot of good things. Happening and, look
2:16:02
Speaker 3: there's some people that are especially On, twitter misunderstanding kind
2:16:06
Speaker 3: of the whole point of my exercise with the salary
2:16:08
Speaker 3: cap today in that it's really really hard to just
2:16:13
Speaker 3: be a team that can sort of just pay market
2:16:16
Speaker 3: rate if we trust what the athletic and their sources
2:16:20
Speaker 3: have on the market rate on players and just say all,
2:16:22
Speaker 3: right we're paying top dollar for every. Position utah can't do.
2:16:25
Speaker 3: That they don't want to do. That they don't want
2:16:28
Speaker 3: to be a program that is driven by finances and
2:16:31
Speaker 3: money and you, know things outside of the. Culture the
2:16:36
Speaker 3: mercenary programs have done pretty well this, year BUT i
2:16:40
Speaker 3: don't know that they're gonna. Win whoever ends up winning
2:16:43
Speaker 3: the national championship is gonna be. That, Like Texas tech
2:16:45
Speaker 3: deserves credit for what they did because they somehow became
2:16:49
Speaker 3: a mercenary program that also played well. Together like that
2:16:52
Speaker 3: they had real team chemistry and. CULTURE i didn't think
2:16:55
Speaker 3: those two things could. COEXIST i was. Wrong Texas tech proved.
2:16:58
Speaker 3: That now what does it mean For utah? Football, well
2:17:04
Speaker 3: if your twenty million dollars salary, cap AND i think
2:17:06
Speaker 3: that's a pretty realistic, number is sort of. Conservative when
2:17:15
Speaker 3: you talk about the competitors that you have to deal
2:17:18
Speaker 3: with in The big Twelve, conference it means that, you
2:17:20
Speaker 3: as a coaching staff have to do a better job
2:17:22
Speaker 3: than your. Counterparts you have to have a better, culture
2:17:25
Speaker 3: you have to have better recruiting, relationships you have to
2:17:28
Speaker 3: have better, Development you have to have better reasons for
2:17:31
Speaker 3: people to stay at The university Of utah than all
2:17:36
Speaker 3: of the folks that are calling their agents have reasons
2:17:40
Speaker 3: for them to. Go and all indications point to the
2:17:44
Speaker 3: fact That utah has done an incredible job With Morgan
2:17:47
Speaker 3: scalley and the assistant staff that he has put. Together
2:17:49
Speaker 3: they've done an incredible job of keeping what we know
2:17:52
Speaker 3: of this roster together and looks like they're bringing in
2:17:56
Speaker 3: some really interesting talents to add to the. ROSTER i
2:18:00
Speaker 3: started the show this, WAY i will end the show this.
2:18:03
Speaker 3: Way the angst and the worry and the demise Of
2:18:08
Speaker 3: utah football Because Kyle whittingham, left and he Took Lucas
2:18:12
Speaker 3: powell with, him and he Took Jason beck with. Him greatly,
2:18:15
Speaker 3: exaggerated all, Right everyone became so enamored with the fact
2:18:21
Speaker 3: That Jason beck was the reason For utah football's success
2:18:24
Speaker 3: when he was tier for a year and he did
2:18:27
Speaker 3: an unbelievable. Job we shouldn't take that away from, him
2:18:30
Speaker 3: but it's the, players and most of those players are
2:18:34
Speaker 3: going to be part of this program moving. Forward this
2:18:37
Speaker 3: is a huge inflection point For utah football today until
2:18:41
Speaker 3: the close of the transfer portal and the management of
2:18:44
Speaker 3: that right now so far to this, POINT i don't
2:18:47
Speaker 3: want to get any overly congratulatory or put carts before,
2:18:51
Speaker 3: horses but it has been handled as well as it
2:18:53
Speaker 3: can be handled by a guy In Morgan scalley who
2:18:57
Speaker 3: is the coaching waiting for a. Reason he is the
2:18:59
Speaker 3: next head coach for he was the heir apparent for
2:19:02
Speaker 3: all good. Reasons morgan is that, Dude and just because
2:19:09
Speaker 3: we did the thing as a fan, base and we
2:19:11
Speaker 3: did the thing even in the media where it's just, like,
2:19:13
Speaker 3: OH i don't know that guy that. WELL i don't
2:19:15
Speaker 3: know mcgiven as well AS i Know Jonathan. SMITH i
2:19:18
Speaker 3: don't know what mcgibbon's reputation is as much AS i
2:19:20
Speaker 3: know What Jonathan smith's reputation. IS i use that as
2:19:24
Speaker 3: an example for a good, reason BECAUSE i actually think
2:19:27
Speaker 3: McGibbon is a way better higher Than Jonathan smith would have,
2:19:29
Speaker 3: been even though he doesn't have the same, resume doesn't
2:19:32
Speaker 3: have the same credential necessarily from a former player, standpoint
2:19:37
Speaker 3: and certainly not From i've been a head coach in
2:19:39
Speaker 3: The pac twelve before. Standpoint Like Jonathan smith is really
2:19:44
Speaker 3: good at running the football and having overperforming offensive linemen
2:19:48
Speaker 3: and overperforming running, backs AND i don't know so much
2:19:51
Speaker 3: about the. Quarterbacks kevin McGibbon is really really good at
2:19:55
Speaker 3: getting the most out of wide receivers and. Quarterbacks and
2:19:59
Speaker 3: that is what colle football is about right. Now and
2:20:02
Speaker 3: those positions cost a lot of, money and to get
2:20:06
Speaker 3: talent here or to keep talent here at those positions
2:20:11
Speaker 3: could cost you just an insane amount of. MONEY i
2:20:14
Speaker 3: went through an exercise WHERE i, said all, right what
2:20:16
Speaker 3: if you pay, this, this and this based on the
2:20:18
Speaker 3: athletics pricing sheet? Effectively and we're talking about a salary
2:20:23
Speaker 3: cap that is not anywhere near the top range of
2:20:28
Speaker 3: the college football. World and Yet utah looks like they're
2:20:32
Speaker 3: gonna be able to feel the competitive roster next year
2:20:35
Speaker 3: with somewhere near like medium level. Spending that is because
2:20:42
Speaker 3: of your. Culture that is because of your. Coaches if
2:20:48
Speaker 3: your guys are getting phone, calls and those phone calls are, saying,
2:20:52
Speaker 3: hey we'll give you seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
2:20:55
Speaker 3: to come, Here we'll give you a million dollars to come.
2:20:57
Speaker 3: Here we'll give you five hundred grand to come, here
2:20:59
Speaker 3: and you're, saying we can't quite pay you, that but
2:21:01
Speaker 3: we still want you to stay, here and they. Stay
2:21:04
Speaker 3: that's because your program is. Something that's because this new
2:21:07
Speaker 3: head coach and his staff have the right relationships that
2:21:10
Speaker 3: are doing the right. Things you love to see. It
2:21:16
Speaker 3: i'm looking out at a room right now full of,
2:21:19
Speaker 3: boosters full of, dignitaries full of, players full of coaches
2:21:25
Speaker 3: who are all incredibly optimistic and buzzing right now with
2:21:29
Speaker 3: What morgan scally should be able to do as the
2:21:32
Speaker 3: head coach of this. Program he's just that. Guy and,
2:21:37
Speaker 3: yes you lost some things you didn't want to, lose
2:21:40
Speaker 3: and yes it's hard to turn the page after twenty
2:21:42
Speaker 3: one years of. Success this is going to be a
2:21:50
Speaker 3: new era Of utah football that really is the best
2:21:54
Speaker 3: of all. Worlds Because Morgan scalley AND i made this point,
2:21:59
Speaker 3: before he's connected to every great memory that you have
2:22:03
Speaker 3: in college football as A utah. Fan Morgan scalley was
2:22:09
Speaker 3: part of, that or was coached by someone who was
2:22:11
Speaker 3: part of, that was attached to that somehow. Right somebody
2:22:16
Speaker 3: on his staff was a part of those great, moments
2:22:20
Speaker 3: that great number ten Ranked ron McBride coach. Team Luther
2:22:24
Speaker 3: ellis is part of this. Staff, okay you started to
2:22:30
Speaker 3: win those rivalry games. Again Sharif shaw was on those.
2:22:34
Speaker 3: Teams he's on this, Staff Morgan. Scalley When Urban meyer came,
2:22:40
Speaker 3: In Morgan scalley was a foundational piece of that defense
2:22:44
Speaker 3: and he was a captain on the Undefeated Fiesta bowl.
2:22:48
Speaker 3: Team morgan is that. Dude morgan is the guy connected
2:22:52
Speaker 3: to the era of success that you want to remain
2:22:57
Speaker 3: a constant At utah. Football he has not only been
2:23:03
Speaker 3: associated with, it he has been in it for all
2:23:06
Speaker 3: of the good, stuff some of the bad, stuff some
2:23:08
Speaker 3: of the hard, seasons and he learned his lessons through
2:23:10
Speaker 3: those like you're supposed. To But morgan is better equipped
2:23:16
Speaker 3: in an, experience in a connection way Than urban. Was
2:23:21
Speaker 3: he's more equipped in A i played for this team
2:23:25
Speaker 3: way even Than kyle. Was and now he's got a
2:23:30
Speaker 3: staff around him that he believes in and we should
2:23:34
Speaker 3: believe into Because morgan does you trusted this guy to
2:23:39
Speaker 3: be the one who several years ago you said that's
2:23:42
Speaker 3: the guy to carry the load moving forward When Kyle
2:23:45
Speaker 3: whittingham is. Done that's the GUY i, believe and that's
2:23:48
Speaker 3: the guy THAT i. Trust now it's time to put
2:23:50
Speaker 3: the trust in. Him i'm very excited to hear what
2:23:52
Speaker 3: his comments. Are i'm very excited to see what he
2:23:54
Speaker 3: can do with this. Roster i'm very excited to see
2:23:57
Speaker 3: when it all nets, out like how much you actually
2:24:00
Speaker 3: spends on this, roster because if they can win ten
2:24:04
Speaker 3: games next year on a twenty million dollar, cap do
2:24:07
Speaker 3: you realize what a coaching job that is in the
2:24:10
Speaker 3: modern era of college? Football do you know what that
2:24:12
Speaker 3: actually looks? Like pretty impressive stuff so. Far let's keep
2:24:21
Speaker 3: our fingers crossed it stays that. Way let's keep our
2:24:23
Speaker 3: fingers crossed that the continuity roster wise that appears to
2:24:28
Speaker 3: be likely becomes a reality when this college football transfer
2:24:34
Speaker 3: portal window. Closes All, right we're gonna we're gonna finish it.
2:24:39
Speaker 3: Up we're gonna send it to.
2:24:43
Speaker 7: The.
2:24:44
Speaker 3: Drive but the start of the drive is going to
2:24:47
Speaker 3: be the official press conference For Morgan scaley his actual
2:24:51
Speaker 3: introductory press conference as he takes. Over AND i said
2:24:55
Speaker 3: it at the beginning of the. Show i'll say it.
2:24:56
Speaker 3: AGAIN i thought it WAS i thought it was a
2:25:00
Speaker 3: little bit strange the timing of. It but NOW i
2:25:03
Speaker 3: don't because we have a week's worth of work to
2:25:08
Speaker 3: already Judge Morgan scalley, by to ask him questions about
2:25:11
Speaker 3: and to SEE i think for this fan, base to
2:25:14
Speaker 3: build a little confidence in his abilities before we just
2:25:17
Speaker 3: throw him in front of a podium and, say, hey, what,
2:25:19
Speaker 3: Well kyle's. Gone now What kyle's? Gone now? What now
2:25:22
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