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A Conversation Between John Ortberg and John Mark Comer (Part 2)
How can we suffer personally and alongside others without losing our joy?
In this episode, join John Mark Comer and John Ortberg for the second part of their conversation exploring the possibilities and pitfalls in the pastoral vocation. In these final movements of the interview, John shares honestly about healing from wounding, what we can do when we are joy-challenged and what will matter in the end. This session was held at the Practicing the Way Pastor Conference in Los Angeles, California, in 2026.
John Ortberg is a pastor, author, and speaker. He’s been in ministry for over 40 years and…
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