Latest / Finding God at Work / 20: When God Gives You a Dream for Your Work
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- 0:03(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Hi, I'm Chris.
- 0:07This is Finding God at Work.
- 0:14Just a reminder that Finding God at Work
- 0:16isn't just a podcast, it's also an online
- 0:18course.
- 0:19Check it out at findinggodatwork.org.
- 0:27Our current series is Divine Disappointments, Facing Pain
- 0:31and Sorrow at Work.
- 0:33And to wrap up this series, we're kind
- 0:35of going to do a series within a
- 0:37series, a four-parter on the life of
- 0:39Joseph in the Old Testament.
- 0:41But it's also going to be a little
- 0:42autobiographical.
- 0:43I'm going to share a little bit about
- 0:45how my own journey with disappointment and my
- 0:48vocation in some ways follows the pattern of
- 0:51Joseph in the book of Genesis.
- 0:52And we're also going to have a special
- 0:54guest.
- 0:55My wife, Katie, will join us for some
- 0:57of these episodes to share kind of how
- 0:59our marriage journey has also reflected some of
- 1:01that pattern and how that's interfaced with her
- 1:04vocational life and mine.
- 1:06So really excited to dig into this and
- 1:08to share a little bit more vulnerably with
- 1:10you all.
- 1:11I have been really impressed by the vulnerability
- 1:13of the guests that have shared in this
- 1:15series and so I wanted to step up
- 1:16and do that myself.
- 1:18So in this episode, we're going to do
- 1:20a quick overview of the whole life of
- 1:22Joseph.
- 1:22And we're going to talk specifically about the
- 1:24idea of a dream.
- 1:25What happens when you have a dream for
- 1:28your work?
- 1:30Okay, so Joseph is a descendant of Abraham.
- 1:34Actually Abraham's great-grandson.
- 1:36So it goes Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph.
- 1:40Joseph is one of twelve brothers and they
- 1:43eventually become the patriarchs, the forefathers of the
- 1:46twelve tribes of Israel.
- 1:47But before that happens, they're one big family
- 1:50and they're living together.
- 1:52They're doing the kind of ancient Near Eastern
- 1:55agricultural herdsmen life.
- 1:58And Joseph is his father's favorite.
- 2:02Which we know causes problems.
- 2:03Because of this, his brothers are envious.
- 2:05Joseph has a dream.
- 2:06We'll come back to that in a few
- 2:07minutes.
- 2:08And then his brothers, out of envy, decide
- 2:12to sell him into slavery.
- 2:13And they tell his father, Jacob, that he
- 2:16was killed by a wild animal.
- 2:18So they lie to Jacob.
- 2:19Joseph is dead in Jacob's eyes.
- 2:21He grieves him.
- 2:23And Joseph, meanwhile, goes off to Egypt and
- 2:27is a prisoner.
- 2:29Excuse me, he's a slave.
- 2:30He's enslaved.
- 2:31He ends up working in the household of
- 2:33an official named Potiphar.
- 2:34Then Joseph is falsely accused of sexual assault
- 2:37by Potiphar's wife.
- 2:39He becomes a prisoner.
- 2:40He's thrown into prison unjustly because of that
- 2:43false accusation.
- 2:44And so then he's languishing in prison.
- 2:47What happens when he's in prison?
- 2:48Well, he continues to have this thing with
- 2:51dreams, where he's able to interpret dreams.
- 2:53God gives him the gift of interpretation.
- 2:55And there's some other prisoners who have some
- 2:58dreams.
- 2:59And Joseph interprets them correctly.
- 3:01One of those prisoners ends up getting executed.
- 3:03The other prisoner ends up returning to Pharaoh's
- 3:05court, where he worked.
- 3:08Well, a while later, Pharaoh has a dream.
- 3:11And Pharaoh doesn't know how to interpret it.
- 3:12Nobody knows how to interpret it.
- 3:14They're trying to find somebody to interpret it.
- 3:15And this official of his court that had
- 3:17been in prison remembers, hey, there was that
- 3:20prison mate of mine named Joseph.
- 3:22I think he had a dream interpretation thing
- 3:24going on.
- 3:24So they go get Joseph out of prison,
- 3:26bring him to Pharaoh.
- 3:27Joseph interprets his dream according to the grace
- 3:30that God gives him.
- 3:32And this leads to Joseph being exalted to
- 3:35the right hand of Pharaoh.
- 3:36Joseph, from that position of authority, ends up
- 3:40saving not just Egypt, but also his own
- 3:43family during a time of famine.
- 3:45So his brothers, the ones that had sold
- 3:47him into slavery, they end up journeying to
- 3:49Egypt to go get food because Joseph has
- 3:52helped Egypt have food when nobody else had
- 3:54food because of the foresight of this vision
- 3:56or this interpretation of the dream that God
- 3:58had given him.
- 4:00And he's ultimately reconciled with his brothers.
- 4:04Okay, so that was a lot of story
- 4:06in one.
- 4:06But you see this pattern in the story.
- 4:09And that's what I want to talk about,
- 4:10is this pattern in the story.
- 4:11That there's a dream, a God-given dream.
- 4:14But then the dream dies.
- 4:16And the dream dies again.
- 4:19It's like a double death of the dream.
- 4:22And then, miraculously, the dream comes to life.
- 4:26When Joseph, at the end of the story,
- 4:29gets to know his brothers again, he sends
- 4:32for his father Jacob.
- 4:33And Jacob comes and embraces him and sees
- 4:35him.
- 4:35The son that he thought was dead this
- 4:37whole time is actually alive.
- 4:39It's like a resurrection.
- 4:40Something that was totally impossible coming to life,
- 4:44coming true.
- 4:46And this can also be a pattern of
- 4:48how God fulfills his work in our lives.
- 4:50That he gives us a dream, the dream
- 4:52dies.
- 4:53The dream dies again.
- 4:56And then, miraculously, the dream comes to life.
- 5:00Maybe in a different form than we anticipated.
- 5:03Often in a way that we couldn't have
- 5:05predicted.
- 5:05But in a way that shows that God
- 5:08is faithful to his promises.
- 5:09That the dream wasn't just a random idea
- 5:12in the first place, but it was part
- 5:14of what God was doing.
- 5:16And in a way that gives glory to
- 5:18God and works out his salvation.
- 5:19Not just for us, but for the people
- 5:21and the communities around us, too.
- 5:25Okay, so that's the structure of these four
- 5:27episodes.
- 5:27With the rest of the time that we
- 5:29have today, I want to focus on this
- 5:31idea of a dream.
- 5:33Okay, so in Joseph's case, he had a
- 5:35very literal dream from God.
- 5:37And this is Genesis chapter 37.
- 5:41So let me read starting in verse 5.
- 5:44Now Joseph had a dream.
- 5:46And when he told it to his brothers,
- 5:47they hated him even more.
- 5:49He said to them, hear this dream that
- 5:51I have dreamed.
- 5:52Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field.
- 5:54And behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright.
- 5:57And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and
- 5:59bowed down to my sheaf.
- 6:02His brothers said to him, are you indeed
- 6:04to reign over us?
- 6:05Or are you indeed to rule over us?
- 6:07So they hated him even more for his
- 6:09dreams and for his words.
- 6:12Then he dreamed another dream and told it
- 6:15to his brothers and said, behold, I have
- 6:17dreamed another dream.
- 6:18Behold, the sun, the moon, and 11 stars
- 6:21were bowing down to me.
- 6:24But when he told it to his father
- 6:26and to his brothers, his father rebuked him
- 6:28and said to him, what is this dream
- 6:29that you have dreamed?
- 6:31Shall I and your mother and your brothers
- 6:32indeed come to bow ourselves to the ground
- 6:34before you?
- 6:35And his brothers were jealous of him.
- 6:38But his father kept the saying in mind.
- 6:42Okay, what can we observe here?
- 6:45One thing that we can observe is that
- 6:47Joseph is not a popular figure among his
- 6:50family.
- 6:50He seems to be a little bit full
- 6:51of himself.
- 6:52He seems to be more than eager to
- 6:54share this dream where somehow he comes to
- 6:55an exalted position.
- 6:58And even his dad, even Jacob, the one
- 7:00that dotes on him, the one that treats
- 7:01him as the favorite, says, whoa, slow down
- 7:03there.
- 7:04He clearly interprets this dream about the sun
- 7:07and the moon and the stars as referring
- 7:09stars, apparently, to Jacob's brothers, and then sun
- 7:12and the moon to Jacob and Rachel, Joseph's
- 7:16mother.
- 7:18And so there's this clear sense of this
- 7:21is about people, this is about community, and
- 7:23it's somehow about Joseph having this exalted position,
- 7:27okay?
- 7:28Joseph doesn't communicate this in a particularly humble
- 7:30way.
- 7:31He doesn't seem to be too good at
- 7:33figuring out how to garner people's trust in
- 7:35the middle of the situation.
- 7:37But that doesn't mean that the dream isn't
- 7:39from God.
- 7:40And that's where I wanna start, is that
- 7:42sometimes we have a dream for our life,
- 7:45for our career, for our vocation.
- 7:47And we may enter into how we think
- 7:49about that, how we communicate that, even how
- 7:52we pursue that, in relatively immature ways.
- 7:55Because we're immature people, early on in our
- 7:58careers, by definition, we do not yet have
- 8:00the wisdom, the character of a long life
- 8:05lived following Jesus.
- 8:07And so particularly, if you have a sense
- 8:09of your vocation, your sense of what you
- 8:11think you're called to do, and you have
- 8:13a strong sense of that when you're a
- 8:14young person.
- 8:15Not everybody does have that, and that's okay.
- 8:17But if you have that, probably the first
- 8:20stab you took at pursuing that was not
- 8:22the most mature, wise, established, noble way to
- 8:26pursue that.
- 8:27You might have even been a little full
- 8:28of yourself.
- 8:28You might have even been a little headstrong,
- 8:30in terms of how you communicated that to
- 8:32others, or what you thought you were gonna
- 8:33do, you might have had some delusions of
- 8:35grandeur in the mix there.
- 8:38And for me, that's definitely been the case.
- 8:41So this is the autobiographical section, so kinda
- 8:44seeing patterns in my own life that match
- 8:46Joseph's patterns.
- 8:47I was a very precocious child, and teenager,
- 8:51and 20-something.
- 8:53So somebody who was very eager to perform,
- 8:56and to do well at things, and who
- 8:58often was impressive in terms of my academic
- 9:01performance, and the way I interacted with teachers,
- 9:04and sometimes even with peers.
- 9:05I was a quote-unquote student leader.
- 9:07So I kinda thought I was the stuff.
- 9:09I thought I was pretty great.
- 9:11And when I was about 12 years old,
- 9:13I heard the story of a couple from
- 9:18our church who were gonna go plant another
- 9:20church.
- 9:21And I had never heard about that before.
- 9:23I didn't know that you could start a
- 9:24church.
- 9:24I thought all the churches were already started.
- 9:26And when I thought, wow, you could go
- 9:28start a new church, something just sort of
- 9:30clicked for me.
- 9:31Even at 12 years old, I was like,
- 9:32that seems really interesting.
- 9:35That, I should pay attention to that.
- 9:37And then as I got older, it became
- 9:39clear in my interactions with peers, with mentors,
- 9:42that I just sort of just had the
- 9:44disposition to be a pastor.
- 9:45It just sort of oozes out of me.
- 9:46And if you've been listening to the podcast,
- 9:48that's no surprise to you.
- 9:49I'm a teacher.
- 9:50I love helping people understand the Bible.
- 9:52I love talking about what it means to
- 9:53follow Jesus.
- 9:54That was really clear in my life early
- 9:56on.
- 9:56So then by the time I was 17,
- 9:58I had this sense of, okay, I think
- 10:00I wanna be a pastor and possibly a
- 10:03church planter.
- 10:03And I think I wanna do it in
- 10:05the sacramental Anglican tradition in which I was
- 10:07raised.
- 10:08And then when I was 17, I had
- 10:10an encounter with a leader named John M.
- 10:12Perkins, African American civil rights leader.
- 10:14John is actually still with us at the
- 10:16time I'm recording this podcast, which is amazing,
- 10:18cuz he was already an octogenarian when I
- 10:20met him at 17, I believe.
- 10:22But I was deeply influenced by my encounter
- 10:24with him, even though it was relatively brief,
- 10:26spent some time at his home just for
- 10:28a couple weeks on a school trip.
- 10:30And it gave me this vision of multi
- 10:33-ethnic ministry as well.
- 10:34The idea that the kingdom of God isn't
- 10:35limited to one race of people or one
- 10:38ethnicity of people, but that we can be
- 10:40honest about the history of racial injustice in
- 10:42the United States, and that the gospel of
- 10:44Jesus Christ can speak to that, and can
- 10:46even redeem that narrative, and can establish communities
- 10:49where people are growing in humility across those
- 10:51divisions of culture, of race, of socioeconomic status,
- 10:55of language, etc.
- 10:57So even before I graduated from high school,
- 10:59I had this really clear sense, like, I
- 11:01think what I wanna do is be a
- 11:03pastor, and maybe even a church planter, in
- 11:06a sacramental, Anglican, kind of evangelical, charismatic context,
- 11:11but also that's multi-ethnic somehow.
- 11:13That's a really specific dream, right?
- 11:15That's a really specific dream.
- 11:17And also, I thought I was the stuff.
- 11:18I thought I was great.
- 11:19So I thought, I'm gonna achieve this dream.
- 11:21I'm gonna pursue this dream.
- 11:22I would talk to people about this dream.
- 11:24I would tell them about my plans for
- 11:25this dream.
- 11:25I had like a 10-year plan for
- 11:27this dream.
- 11:27I went to Peru to learn Spanish.
- 11:30That was a whole adventure.
- 11:31I went to Wheaton College to get more
- 11:33grounded in a Christian liberal arts education.
- 11:35I went to seminary and got a degree.
- 11:37We'll share more in future episodes how the
- 11:39plan kind of went off the rails.
- 11:41But I was really headstrong at first.
- 11:43I thought, I've got this under control.
- 11:44I'm gonna make this happen.
- 11:46This is what I'm about.
- 11:47Thankfully, by God's grace, there were some good
- 11:51things, even in the way I pursued that
- 11:53early on.
- 11:54But what was significant was not my maturity.
- 11:57Because honestly, I was pretty immature about the
- 11:59whole thing.
- 11:59What was significant is God's action.
- 12:02I think that God gave me that vision
- 12:04of pastoral ministry, of multi-ethnic ministry within
- 12:07the sacramental Anglican context, early on for a
- 12:10reason.
- 12:11And I think that God intends to work
- 12:14into that dream, maybe even to fulfill it,
- 12:17although I don't know exactly in what form
- 12:19that may take.
- 12:21And so that's where I want to rest
- 12:22with you is, if you've had that moment,
- 12:25and it's not just an idea you've had,
- 12:27but it's something that's come up again and
- 12:28again in your life that other people have
- 12:29spoken into, that community has confirmed in some
- 12:32way about who you are and what you're
- 12:34meant to do in the world, but your
- 12:36first kind of forays into it haven't been
- 12:37particularly successful, that doesn't mean that it's not
- 12:40from the Lord.
- 12:41That doesn't mean that it's not a word
- 12:43from Him.
- 12:44It means that what God wants to do
- 12:46in your life is to shape your character
- 12:48so that you're ready for that dream.
- 12:52And that's what we'll be talking about more
- 12:53in the episodes to come.
- 12:57Lord Jesus, thank you that you care about
- 12:59us enough to give us dreams and to
- 13:02work in our hearts so that we're ready
- 13:04to step into those dreams at the right
- 13:06time.
- 13:07Give us that humility and that patience to
- 13:10wait for how you are working, and do
- 13:13your work in us as we do our
- 13:14work with you.
- 13:21Thanks for listening.
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