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Bridging Worlds – Communication Mastery with Meric Ipek · Speak In Flow

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Melinda Lee: Hello dear listeners, welcome to This Week
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in flow podcast where we share unique experiences to help you
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unleash your leadership voice. Today we have an amazing leader
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Marish could loop she is at from a scientific background at Roush
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diagnostic. Hi, Merec. Hi, good to see you. Thanks for being
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here.
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Merec Ipek: Thank you so much good to be here, too.
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Melinda Lee: Like I mentioned, you have a scientific
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background, and I want to hear what you do and how you know,
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it's great because we can relate it to communication. As you
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know, science is difficult to translate into communication. So
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I'm, I'm happy to dive into your perspective around this.
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Merec Ipek: Yeah, that is so true, because I started my
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studies back in Boston, and I worked in lab right after that.
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But what hit me hard was like working with animals and tissue
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was making me feel less of a human at least I'm the chatty
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type. And that helped me to get into science in a more chatty
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environment. Because one of my good friends from college, she,
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she said, Hey, there's clinical research. And since then, it's
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been it's going to sound like I'm a really old lady, but
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still, I'm a great looking old lady. So I've been doing great
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for more than 20 years. I'm in clinical research, I just
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diverted from human studies to instruments. That's why I'm in
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Roche diagnostics, because I I witnessed a lot of things
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throughout my career and when you work with humans, when you
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do research, you have so much risk. So what I do basically now
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we are qualifying qualifying instruments, medical devices,
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for for human use, like could be a you know, like a glucose
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metre, which is very popular right now. Everybody's checking
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their glucose correct. And for future everything is becoming
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more hobbies a personalised perhaps you heard that before.
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So it's for the betterment of everyone, you can go to the lab
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or you can have your own lab at home. So I'm in that line of
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work, and it is true, I think scientific people like to read,
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and most of the personalities are introverted, which I didn't
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know before. I mean, I am a little bit introverted, but I'm
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most extroverted. So,
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Melinda Lee: communicate Yeah. How do you bridge that gap with
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communicating to more than introverts?
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Merec Ipek: So we usually do personality tests. And Roche is
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very big in that. So you know, your group got it, I ususally
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Melinda Lee: Or did you do the insights?
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work with blue people
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Merec Ipek: Rouche rolled it out. So I don't know the name.
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But we like colours.
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Melinda Lee: But yeah, that's insights. Yeah. Yeah, blue is
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more of the analytical structure, logical. And then
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yellow, I imagine you're more red, you definitely have a lot
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of red, which is direct, demanding. result oriented.
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Merec Ipek: Believe it or not, I'm yellow, then red, yellow,
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green. Yeah, green, because I love to entertain people.
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Melinda Lee: So yellow for the audience, yellow energy. So
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there's four distinct colour energies and different and they
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say they're all have different communication preferences. And
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it's not that you're one or the other. But it's where you lean
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more toward your communication preferences. And so it's helpful
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for you to know what yours is, and also helpful for your
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audience to know what your audience is. So in this case,
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you work with a lot of people that are more introverted, and
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analytical and you have the yellow Sunshine Yellow energy,
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which is entertaining, I like to have parties, social events
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communicate, and then they may not want to on the opposite
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side, and you also have the directing the commanding, and
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then green, which is the nurturing, which we'll talk
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about a little bit later, which is like your husband, which is
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more probably more of the green energy, more emotions, if so,
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share with us how you change and the different hats that you have
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to wear. So
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Merec Ipek: I made a lot of mistakes, but I'm such a curious
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person, which probably keeps me doing my job and stay alive. I
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love to learn. I have good friends and my husband has
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actually a blue first and a green later. Okay, so I do get
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along with blue because I love data myself, but I have a way of
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expressing myself as opposed to blue. Right? I told as I learned
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like I just do the brainstorming like you would see in a normal
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like I'm so creative, creatively this part of my life so like
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music, and theatre. So with them if I'm commanding to an
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audience, which is going to be mostly blue because it's not
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always like that. I literally just sit down and prepare for
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half an hour prepare my bullet points and I just don't make so
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many jokes because they really don't enjoy that. So it becomes
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very dry information. And at the end I'm like any questions and
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usually thank God if you did good job there no questions
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because they are very good in catching details, right? And I
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would say this a good group, if you want to roll something to a
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bigger audience, right, roll it to the blue audience first,
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because they will catch your deficiency. So,
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Melinda Lee: so true. Yeah, yeah, I,
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Merec Ipek: I learned by making many mistakes. So I always liked
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my field, but I struggled a lot to get the respect because blues
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are very easy to read you off. If they don't like what you
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said, because I work with a very strong blue manager recently.
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She and I get along, but she really didn't like some people.
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And I was listening to her. I'm like, boy, they're off. Like,
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they can really demand more. And if they don't get it, like,
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you're off the list, and that's very dangerous when you're a
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manager, because then that person is not going to follow
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you anymore, that they're not your team anymore.
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Melinda Lee: so, that happened before? Where? Yes,
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Merec Ipek: yes, it happened to me. And I had, let's say six
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people, and two of them, they don't agree with me, and it's
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okay. I am not looking for a fan club. I'm a pretty confident
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person. I'm not looking for people to follow me. But my
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manager was someone I always lean on. And I said, What can I
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do to get there buy it helped me because I was aware. I mean, I
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think a manager should be someone very confident about
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themselves. And I'm not here to preach everyone. I'm not a you
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know, Pastor. So I wanted to understand what was I missing as
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she coached me. So you know, you have to find your ways to work
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things out. And I think I have a keen eye for that I can read the
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audience very well, which probably, you know, when when I
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got my training with Lynn, that is also very important, right?
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Like, you have to read the people well, so I got the buying
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of those two, the one leader, but the one still didn't buy now
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she left the group. So it is true. If you don't like her
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manager, you live the group. But I mean, I didn't mind because I
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still have five people. And so that was an experience. I mean,
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I had a group where, you know, two of my people didn't
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completely agree with me, one of them start to agree with me
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later. And then the other one is,
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Melinda Lee: how did you do that? Just more conversations.
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Merec Ipek: I got to know her. Yeah. And because sometimes we
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have this facade, that we go to the meetings, I'm actually
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extremely deep person spiritually. And
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philosophically, I read a lot, but you don't show that at work.
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It's very superficial, I think. And I spent so much time with
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her. I invited her to lunch, I got to know her and people will
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always respond. Someone being compassionate that always pays
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off. And I asked her, What do you want? Like, I'm very
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responsive to that, because that's how I progress in my
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life. And I gave her everything she wanted, I got her promoted.
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Because she was good. I mean, not that I want some if, you
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know, thumbs up, but she was my best one. Like, she was really
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good. I mean, she was a blue. So blues are if you get them,
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they're good workers, but you have to really get their
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attention. So I got her promoted. And I mean, my
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manager, and I agreed that you know, she's our superstar. So
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that was easy. That was easy. But that was one of my intimate
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interactions with a blue. And later on, it came so easy,
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because this experience was my first leadership experience
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hands on. Because you shadow leaders, but when you do it,
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it's different. It's very hard. Yeah. So yeah, I, I learned that
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you will fail very, very badly. So I just said, Okay, so this is
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how it feels. Because I'm a very accomplished, kid. You know, I
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was always such a nerd, you know, pimples, braces, I had it
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all, you know, and I said, Wow, okay, so this is what it's like
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to do it on your own because I feel that school too. But this
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is different. Like when you fail with people, at least you feel
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like that. You really have to just let it go. Yeah, let it go.
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But coming back to communication style, you just change your
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style. Yeah, blues don't care. You talk too much. They just
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want to get the information right away. Right. Don't waste
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their time because they have so many things to
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Melinda Lee: do. Right details. Right? The right details. Yeah.
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Merec Ipek: And when people ask you that, so know your business?
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Well, like no, it's so well, because I liked the way they
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asked stuff about, let's say we do protocols, it's kind of a
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recipe. So they will ask stuff about the protocol. And I'm
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like, okay, you know what, I was very honest, in that group, I
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would say, Hey, I don't know I stopped doing that. You cannot
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be too honest with your team because they want to see someone
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who knows everything. I just say I'm gonna come back to you
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later. I don't really speak my heart because I you know, I told
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you I'm very upfront. I speak my heart. I'm a Mediterranean
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person, you know, everything I do is from my heart. So I said,
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Oh, okay, this is business maybe a little bit hard but a little
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bit brain you know, just combine both. So yeah, that was pretty
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much it very hard, but very rewarding experience. I'm still
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still benefiting from that experience tremendously.
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Melinda Lee: I love that the idea the concept of people
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teaching us things right they you know, we we get to
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opportunity to lean into what can what can we do to learn
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what's hear if somebody is annoying me or somebody is doing
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something like what can we do and taking the opportunity,
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because sometimes people might avoid it, they may avoid the
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conversation. But if you like you, you kept on going at it
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getting curious learning about the other person. And then now
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you know how to relate to them. So you didn't avoid it. But now
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that taught you something, a different skill set, because
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that's not generally your communication preference. But
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now you get it. And now you know how to speak to them more about
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it. So
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Merec Ipek: and I'm this kind of person, I have so many ideas. So
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I have so much desire to communicate across. So a good
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friend of mine back in college, she told me, Oh, my God, it was
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so hard to talk to you when you were younger, because you would
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stop me. So blues also teach you that you have to listen to them,
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because introverted people are not going to be like, hey, stop,
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I'm gonna say this. So you have to really give them the space as
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well. And listen them like you should see me and my mom
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talking, because we are both talking. I don't know how we
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understand each other. I just was on the phone with her. I
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haven't. Oh, funny. She and I are very similar. So it's like,
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I'm looking at my older version. And she's looking at our younger
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version. And we talk at the same time and we understand each
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other. Yeah,
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Melinda Lee: I love that. I love that. That's awesome. Like, what
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about the like the vibe, right? I can, I can almost imagine you
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and your mom talking. It's like just a fun and energetic vibe.
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You
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Merec Ipek: know, the movie, My Big Fat Greek Wedding. That's
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how complicated. There's so much drama and so much joy. Yeah.
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Melinda Lee: That's the end. And then what about you and your
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husband? Can you share you mind sharing a little bit about that?
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Oh,
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Merec Ipek: yeah, sure. He's, so my husband is American. He's
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from San Francisco, just to give a brief background. And so being
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a Turkish and I lived in many countries, by the way, so it
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changes you I lived in Switzerland for a while it was
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like five years, it changed me a lot. Because you have to get
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away from your comfort zone and adapt to a new culture that was
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substantially different for me. And that country is very
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introverted. Like we say California, you know, San
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Francisco could be very introverted, in a sense, because
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we have engineers and you know, all these quarters and stuff.
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But Switzerland was a different level. Like at least the town I
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lived was on Northwest and I learned so much about, you know,
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patience and communication there. But coming to my husband,
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he's a little bit like Switzerland. So, Mike, that's
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the name. I hope he doesn't mind. You guys not gonna come
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and find me at home. But
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Melinda Lee: how long have you been married now?
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Merec Ipek: Oh, seven years. But we dated a long time because you
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know, he's a blue he wants to make sure he accumulated his
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data to make sure that I'm married double.
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Melinda Lee: So I'm asking that because it shows all the the
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dedication of you both being together. So talking about
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something difficult right now, the communication challenges,
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you've obviously shown that you work through a lot together? Oh,
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Merec Ipek: I think it's the hardest companionship is
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marriage, because we are we are different cultures as well. And
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he struggled a lot with the Turkish culture, because we are
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very dramatic. As opposed to him. When you check his
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heritage, he's he's, you know, Irish, Swedish. He's from the
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very cold part of the world where these people don't really
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talk with their eyes, you know, they don't even open their
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mouth. So he really learned to talk and defend himself when he
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was with me and with my family. So how I talk with him is, so he
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enjoys food. So you have to be strategic. If I have something I
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want from him, there's always food in that discussion. So I
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always offer him food, because I know he's gonna say yes, because
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I'm a good cook. But, you know, if there's nothing that I need
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to worry about, you know, you can just casually ask him, he'll
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say yes or no, because I go with the, you know, you always have
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to go everywhere with a plan in your mind. Yeah. So that's my
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plan. If it's very important, they're really good food, you
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have to cook and just make you feel comfortable. He's very
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relaxed. Get into the point, because you know, he's a blue,
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he doesn't want you to do well around so longer on the bushes,
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right? Hey, I want to, you know, do this. Let's go there. You
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know, let's travel this place. I'm just making it. So usually
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it goes well, but you know, I think he's a really good
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communicator. I like his style. I actually learned from him more
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than I am actually achieving things because shadowing him
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taught me how he prepares for, you know, he prepares at least
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three months if he wants something from me, he's a great
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prepare, and I was going to tell you that too at work. If
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something is very substantially important for me, I spent so
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much time preparing because we underestimate preparation.
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Preparation can actually make you wince so many discussions,
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especially heat at once. There you have to get something let's
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say promotion or something, you have to prepare very well. So
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he's the kind of who prepares for months, because he knows me
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so well. Usually I'm very tight. Write in kind of Money Matters.
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I'm very, very, like the things he likes I don't like and the
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things I like he doesn't like. So we always say no to each
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other. Let's say he's going to buy something for his car. I
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always say no. Because I'm like, why we need that? You know,
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like, why? And of course, I want something for the house and he's
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gonna say no to that. So we do our own preparations, but to be
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fair, preparation and like making the environment
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comfortable, I think are the key for our relationship to work.
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We, we know each other and we show the respect and the
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kindness I think that wins the relationship you always get a
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good answer for that. He's not spontaneous, though. I think
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that's what I'm trying to say. You cannot be spontaneous with
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this person. You have to be very, give some clues. Like
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you're, you give treats to a dog, you know, you just give
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little little treats. Yes, just drop the crumbs. Finally go what
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you want, like very slowly, strength steadily.
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Melinda Lee: Right, right. Oh, I did she very good strategy. I
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mean, because it's a part of Yeah, so it's not a such a
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shock, right. And then and then, like you said, you're preparing
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already, it's not like, you're just going to go drop a bomb on
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them. So you mentally prepare, you have all using you prepare
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her. And then you also set up the environment. All right, and
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so that the person feels comfortable, they feel relaxed,
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the more you feel relaxed, and and you've already dropped a
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little bit of breadcrumbs already. So it's not such a big
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deal, as most
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Merec Ipek: blue people don't like change. Their heart
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convince in that sense. So I learned that art way I'm I love
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change changes my life. When somebody look at my astrological
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chart, they were like, Ooh, you had a life. I'm like, Yeah,
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bring it on. Like, the more complicated things comes to my
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way. I'm like, yes, it's just I have it. Drive for like,
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unknown. Yeah, my curiosity. But for some people that stress
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Right, right. So of course, I stress myself a lot too. But for
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my husband, I can see that like, I couldn't move him from the
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house he lived Can you believe it? So many houses? I am 46.
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Right now, I lived in many places, I did so many things.
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Because that's what I live for yellow. Like, I can't wait to
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meet different people everywhere. Because for me,
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that's excitement. You know, I love that. But when you start to
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work with blue, and all the I mean, I enjoy the, you know,
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flavour, they bring the quality, but you have to appreciate that
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they just don't want anything that different. They respect
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that things go as planned, because their key word is, is am
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I prepared for this? And am I going to deliver very well
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quality, because they're very high quality people to which was
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very, you know, joyful for me to learn. I have huge respect, like
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tremely, a lot of respect, I have my key people actually,
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every function that I go in as ask, and they're mostly blue.
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And I'm like, I'm going to do this. What do you think like,
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these are the people I would go and really depend on as well,
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just to say, My husband is one of them. Like in certain things,
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I really depend on him. Right? Because he's very reliable. I
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think reliability brings the stability with them, they have
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Melinda Lee: And I think that's where you are able to even
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to have stability.
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though you have different communication preferences,
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whether it was through their husband or someone with your
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staff, I think when you go in there with the respect, like the
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high respect for even though the different perspective, you still
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respect it, I think that's what helps them you both to all see
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eye to eye and things like how do we find, you know,
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commonality even though we because you respect each other?
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And so eventually, some time or some way you will find an
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answer? Yeah, yeah. That's beautiful.
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Merec Ipek: I hope they feel it. Because now that we have zoom
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meetings everyday, it's so hard to share your mood.
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Melinda Lee: I thought it I thought that because you pause
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and you said, you know, they do all you know, they don't change.
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But I have high respect for their quality and no down. So
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they felt that I felt that so thank
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Merec Ipek: thank you, to you. It's
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Melinda Lee: it is hard, but that's what's your secret to
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successes. And that's how you're able to build these
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relationships and build a good team. It's all a team, a
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successful marriage, even with people that have different
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communication preferences. It's a teamwork,
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Merec Ipek: it's two. I always say that and I love Arnold
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Schwarzenegger and that like this funny Austrian guy, right?
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He always has huge respect for everything he achieved in his
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life. And of course, he worked so hard, right? But as an
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immigrant, I really take him as like my mentor. Funny enough. If
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you don't have that gratitude for every single thing you do,
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there were so many people helping you to get there. Same
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for work. I mean, even the bus driver has something for you to
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do to go to the work because he drove the bus. It's as little as
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that if we if we delivered that gratitude because sometimes I
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feel like some leaders just get very disconnected with your
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team, where you see the results because the team gets
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disconnected with the leader as well. I wanted to stay grounded
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I saw from my dad from many stories I read That was my cue
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word. I have a lot of gratitude. I always feel very blessed. And
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I love that English word blessed because in Turkish, we have so
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many words for this because I guess we've been through a lot.
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So we just throw so many words in the language because we're
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like, Well, you know, we're alive again. Thank God. So, you
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know, the language gets richer and richer, and we were very
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blessed people. So I am blessed is the exact feeling I have
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every day I wake up, I'm healthy. Same in my
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relationships. Same at work. I'm so blessed. I work at restaurant
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Roche diagnostics, I say to everybody, and I'm blessed. I
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work with very qualified very smart people, too. And sometimes
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you need to remind this to the people you work because they're
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just so qualified, they forget that. You're like, You guys are
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the best of the best. Like, you know, there's nothing better
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than you guys like you are really the best in the market.
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So sometimes it's really like I said, teamwork. It's, yeah, it's
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teamwork.
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Melinda Lee: Yeah. Well, would you give? What tips final tips
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would you give to the leaders out there who are working with
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different? Yeah, different communication preferences? So if
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you're the team leader, what would you give them? What team
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would advice you have
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Merec Ipek: to spend personal time with your team, I was very
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surprised because I had a really good Swiss manager back in
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Switzerland before I moved here. I have huge respect for him,
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because he, he gave me a hand. And I have few leaders that I
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really think they gave me so much that I can never forget
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about them. He's one of them. And he spent so much time with
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me because I was the first Turkish person he was managing,
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but he got to know me and my culture. And he gave me this
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tip, I'm just sharing is like a, you know, friendly think,
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because I'm that kind of a person. So everybody knows, he's
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like, when you're sailing, you said, and this is your life. Try
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to get in line with the vent. Don't change the wind, because I
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am such a forceful. And so in love with everything in my life,
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I want to change everything around me to make it work for
21:58
me, because I was so young by them, you know, you think
22:01
everything's working for you. But for the leaders that I see
22:04
right now, especially with the new generation, and I love them,
22:06
they're kicking so much as I love I love the new generation,
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there's so much, you know, you know, bed repetition for them,
22:14
but boy, I love them. So get to know your people, especially in
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this period of time where everything is from a camera.
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People talk too much, but they don't ask very specific
22:24
questions to their team, like, what do you like to eat? Right?
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What is joy for you? Is family important for you like very
22:30
personal stuff? Because people will follow you, when you make
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them seen? See them? They don't see their people? Because I
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mean, I get it leaders are busy about their, you know, you know,
22:41
their milestones, but they're going to achieve, right asked me
22:44
when you see people because most people have so much trauma. And
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you know, we did some work on this when I was doing the
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communication thing, which I was very excited. And I learned so
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much about my life. We all have I'm not good enough. We all do.
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I would be very surprised if somebody said no, I don't have
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it. No, we all do it. Right? If you make someone visible with
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something, they know they're good enough, right? You got them
23:09
like see, or people just just show them the care, maybe they
23:13
don't have that courage to show to themselves because everybody
23:17
has some talent. Yeah. And your job as a leader, you got to make
23:22
sure you see those people. You're getting paid for that.
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Sorry to save. So I think that will be my first thing because I
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had many leaders so far here, I think the stress has so much in
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us. And there's so many responsibility for one human,
23:36
then you would say, well, they should have I or two people. But
23:39
you know, we have just one person doing that. So that time
23:42
is skipped. But that is actually a very critical time. Because if
23:46
you buy your people, if you buy their hearts, in a gentle way,
23:50
if you if you flourish their hearts, you don't buy hearts, I
23:53
mean, that's very harsh. You flourish their hearts, you see
23:55
them, you have a team that's gonna say, hey, I want to do
23:59
that for you. That's my number one. Number two, maybe you know,
24:03
don't be unrealistic about the things you ask for people,
24:06
because sometimes leaders are usually read, right? And I had a
24:10
read leader and I said, Oh my God, I feel like I'm running a
24:12
marathon everyday, they expect so much from you, you have to
24:15
know the personalities to like, I'm not going to expect weird
24:20
things from a person who's very slow, you know, I'm going to
24:23
expect quality from that person. Right? So you got to know your
24:26
people. So I usually like to do this, you know, personality test
24:30
is I joined a new group, I would say very rare. If it's possible.
24:34
I mean, not every time it's possible, but because you cannot
24:37
immediately start spending time with them. Because let's say you
24:39
have 15 people, I mean, you're busy. So you can maybe do lunch
24:42
and stuff, but it will take some time. So sometimes time has to
24:45
be by yourself. So try to roll up personality tests, try to get
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their feeling and spend time with them. And the job is easy.
24:53
I mean, these people are there to do the job obviously for a
24:56
reason they are qualified but to give the exam Mission to give
25:01
the power to the people. They need to believe in you. So be
25:04
that believable person, don't put that facade and say, Oh,
25:07
we're doing great. I mean, nobody believes you. And I have
25:12
so many leaders like that. I said, Oh my God, why do I hate
25:14
this guy? Oh my god, I just don't believe in him.
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Melinda Lee: Right, right. Because then you don't know
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what's real. What isn't? Oh, my goodness, that those are so
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great. Those are great, fabulous tips. I think they're so true.
25:27
And I think that it especially like you said, we're all we have
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so much going on. But really, they slow it down really get to
25:34
know their people help their people be seen be heard. Like
25:39
bring out their strengths and really get to know them. Like
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you said, it's I think that that then they're not climbing the
25:45
mountain top on them by themselves. You have a team, you
25:47
have people with you doing it with you together, and it's so
25:51
much more fulfilling. Yeah, it does require extra communication
25:54
skills. So listen, which includes listening. Right? And
25:58
presence. Yeah. So thank you marriage. That was so good. I
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really appreciate that. And I really appreciate your time. And
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thank you for saying yes to being on the podcast. It's
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really fun. Your energy and I'm I'm trusting that the audience
26:16
also really took a lot out of today. So thank you. Thank you.
26:19
Thank you. Blessings to you more blessings. Yeah. Bye.
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Merec Ipek: Bye bye.