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What It Really Means To Live For Jesus with Lina AbuJamra & Financial Freedom for Kingdom Living with Rob West & Spokane Fire Update · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew Chicago across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced God. Overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined, delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S2: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew. You know, we were here yesterday. When were
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  S1: we here?
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  S3: Well.
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  S1: When were we here?
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  S3: We were here yesterday.
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  S1: We were. Thank you. Jonathan. Yeah, we were in John 15.
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  S1: And we come back here often. Why? How many layers
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  S1: of spiritual truth are in the story of the vine
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  S1: and the branches.
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  S2: I mean, can we how do we count?
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  S1: I mean, honestly, by the way, Ali, good to have
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  S1: you back in the saddle again. Back in the saddle again.
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  S1: She's looking refreshed and ready to rumble. So what are
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  S1: some of the lessons from vine and branches? I'm. I'm
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  S1: just pop quizzing us all here. What are they?
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  S3: I think the most important one, and I think this
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  S3: is the reason it's foundational, is that as we abide
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  S3: in Christ, as we spend time with him, as we
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  S3: are near to him and connected to him, we bear fruit.
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  S1: Okay, so nearness brings fruit. Anything else comes out of this.
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  S2: I mean, that word abide. I mean, if you've been
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  S2: in church for any length of time, you've probably heard
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  S2: a number of sermons preached on abiding.
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  S1: Yeah. Yeah. One of the best worship tunes I've ever
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  S1: heard in my life about abiding. I'm not even going
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  S1: to try it. But I will abide in you. I
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  S1: will abide in you alone. My life is found in you.
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  S1: My life is found in you alone. Greg Dempster wrote
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  S1: it and it was an anointed tune.
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  S4: Nice. Yeah. Okay.
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  S1: Yeah. It's. It's so powerhouse. I told him, I'm like, dude,
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  S1: someday we got to produce. I said we because I'm
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  S1: his friend. Someday we got to produce this thing. But yeah,
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  S1: I mean, an abiding. We could talk forever in a
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  S1: month of Sundays about that, right?
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  S2: Yes.
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  S1: I mean, my goodness. All right. Super. Dave. What do
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  S1: you got, sister?
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  S4: Along with that abiding, we can get caught in that self-sufficiency.
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  S4: I got this.
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  S1: Apart from me, you.
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  S4: Can do self-sufficiency. Uh, no, I don't think so. There's
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  S4: no fruit there.
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  S1: I think the entirety of the abundant life that Jesus
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  S1: promises in 1010 is executed in John 15. You know
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  S1: what I mean? It's like, it's all right there.
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  S2: This is why we come back to this one so often.
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  S1: Yes. Yes. And it's such a powerful text. And by
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  S1: the way, let me give you a quick start guide
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  S1: on how to use John 15. If you're discipling someone,
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  S1: this is the coolest, simplest tool on the planet. So
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  S1: all you need is you go to a restaurant, you're
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  S1: sitting down, they give you a. Usually they give you
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  S1: a knife and a fork wrapped in a napkin or
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  S1: something like that, or utensils. And then you've got a
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  S1: salt shaker and you've got a pepper shaker and all that.
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  S1: So here's the deal. What I do is I'll grab
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  S1: the knife and I'll say, all right, that's the vine.
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  S1: So I'll kind of position it in the center table.
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  S1: Jesus said, I'm the vine. You're the branch. Put a
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  S1: fork up against it, kind of pull it away a
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  S1: little bit and ask the question, how much fruit can
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  S1: be born when we don't have this close, close connection
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  S1: with the vine? The obvious answer is nothing. So you
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  S1: put that up against there, and then you grab that
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  S1: salt shaker and said, it's two God's glory. Bang! Lay
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  S1: it down right at the end of the forks that
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  S1: we bear much fruit. And it's I just, I find
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  S1: his metaphor out of that vineyard to be one of
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  S1: the most enlivening, simple, but powerful metaphors in all the Scripture.
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  S1: It's just good.
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  S2: I've loved over the years seeing the way that you've
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  S2: illustrated this, because you just described one that could be
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  S2: done at a, at a restaurant table, a restaurant. You've
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  S2: also done one where you have somebody stand up and
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  S2: somebody else kind of has a hand on the shoulder,
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  S2: and then you put something on their other hand. So
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  S2: they're kind of stretched out with like their arms as
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  S2: if they're branches. So one is connected to the whoever person.
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  S2: You've said, you get to play Jesus and then you see.
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  S2: So I, I.
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  S1: That's, yeah.
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  S2: That's my favorite one that you've done.
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  S5: It's it works.
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  S1: And here's the point. And I think it's our point
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  S1: for this whole week. It is to God's glory that
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  S1: your life have impact. Fruit has impact. It just does.
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  S1: Now here's the beautiful thing about the impact that God
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  S1: wants to give us. It's very unusual fruit in that
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  S1: we don't touch the glory because we have this eerie sense. Yeah.
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  S1: I didn't have anything to do with that. And that's
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  S1: a good place to be, isn't it, guys?
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  S2: Very much so. I mean, usually the fruit that we
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  S2: are tempted to take credit for, we have to ask
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  S2: if it's really fruit, you know, because people are tempted
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  S2: to say, look at this life that I built, you know,
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  S2: look at this, how I've done in my career, or
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  S2: look at how great my kids turned out, or these
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  S2: different things that we are tempted to take credit for.
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  S2: It's like, really? Do you really think you did that?
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  S2: And if you could, would it really be fruit?
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  S1: Yeah. And, and, and doesn't it sour in your mouth
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  S1: if you see some impact and then you begin to
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  S1: put your name on it.
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  S3: Yes.
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  S1: I mean, this is why my dad.
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  S4: Efficiency man just kicks us.
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  S1: I mean, if now I. Do I even want to
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  S1: go to a time when I preached a message and
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  S1: I thought, wow, I did pretty good there. I don't
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  S1: even want to go there in my mind, but one
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  S1: of the benefits I had with my dad was my
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  S1: dad just he didn't beat it into me. He like, um,
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  S1: he loved it into me. But I remember constantly him
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  S1: saying whenever, whenever something would go well, like for anyone
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  S1: in ministry, he'd go, man, God extended some real grace
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  S1: and freedom through that brother, that sister right there, didn't he, Carl?
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  S1: So it was constantly on his brain.
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  S2: As opposed to saying what?
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  S1: As opposed to saying, wow, you're you're really gifted. Now,
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  S1: my dad would cheer for people all the time, but
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  S1: it was about availing themselves and being a conduit of
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  S1: God's bounty. And, and he was the one that introduced
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  S1: to me. There's no such thing as really gifted people.
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  S1: Everybody's gifted. It's just the question, are you really going
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  S1: to let God use you as the conduit of God's bounty?
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  S3: Amen.
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  S1: Dad had a lot of good stuff, didn't he?
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  S6: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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  S6: Carl and crew.
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  S3: We've all had those times where we felt like we
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  S3: could do it on our own. And for us, Christ's
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  S3: followers especially, we've changed in that assessment. Can't do that
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  S3: on my own. I need some help.
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  S2: I get to see how that doesn't work. A couple
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  S2: years ago, this was. This was during Covid. Actually. This
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  S2: was so this was 2020. And I was leading a
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  S2: Bible study. And this was kind of a unique Bible
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  S2: study because it wasn't connected to a church or a
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  S2: ministry group. This was a Bible study that was really
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  S2: a group of women who were we were all connected
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  S2: to the same basketball team through our husbands. And so
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  S2: we would gather on Zoom because that's how everybody was
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  S2: gathering at the time. And it was more like a
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  S2: Bible discussion. So people were coming at it from a
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  S2: lot of different places. Some people were, I would say, nominal,
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  S2: maybe cultural Christians have a sort of a cultural understanding
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  S2: of things, of faith. Some people really claim to no
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  S2: faith at all. They were just sort of curious checking
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  S2: it out, especially at that time, the world felt really crazy.
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  S2: So people were, I think, searching for something.
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  S1: Sure.
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  S2: And so I was leading this weekly Bible study and
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  S2: the format, as even I've described it, you can probably
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  S2: see that there's some challenges to that format when you're
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  S2: on Zoom to these. We didn't know each other all
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  S2: that well. Three people were not even everybody was a
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  S2: Christian on this call. And so here was the challenge.
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  S2: I had had a very, very busy week leading up
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  S2: to this Bible study and the time that I would
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  S2: normally spend to kind of really prepare and abide and
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  S2: trust God to kind of lead me in it. It
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  S2: was almost shortcutted. Have you ever had that experience? If
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  S2: you're willing to admit it, where you're like, okay, I
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  S2: got to give him something. And so. Oh, boy.
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  S3: Yeah. That sentence right there is so real and feeling.
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  S2: I don't even remember what I think we were looking
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  S2: going through the book of Romans. But I just remember
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  S2: as I'm going through trying to lead them and trying
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  S2: to facilitate the discussion, it was like slogging through the mud.
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  S2: And I remember coming in that next day to work
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  S2: and telling Carl, this was horrible. This was the worst
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  S2: Bible study like in the history of all Bible studies.
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  S2: And I felt the weight of. I had tried to
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  S2: bring it. I had tried to bring something to make
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  S2: this thing happen. I was tired, I was busy, and
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  S2: instead of like really relying on God's strength, it was
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  S2: me trying to power through. Yeah. And it just I
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  S2: could feel it and it felt awful. And I was like,
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  S2: I don't want to lead a Bible study like that.
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  S2: I don't have the juice. None of us do. And Carl,
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  S2: of course, was a good friend to me and reassured
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  S2: me that he gives grace and I could stop kicking
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  S2: myself and beating myself up over what hadn't gone well.
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  S1: And he works in spite of us.
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  S2: He absolutely does. I mean, did they did they hear
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  S2: the word? Absolutely. So could God have done something in
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  S2: that time despite me? Of course he often does. But
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  S2: that was an example of me trying to produce some
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  S2: from fruit in my own strength as opposed to, you know,
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  S2: other times. And none of us get it right perfectly,
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  S2: but opposed to other times where I can say with full,
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  S2: confident assurance that I got up in front of that
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  S2: group of people, whatever it was, and I was fully
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  S2: trusting in God to the best that I knew how,
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  S2: knowing that I didn't have anything in my own strength,
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  S2: not trying to bring something that was man pushed through,
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  S2: give them something. It was me standing up there, humbled, going,
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  S2: I know that I don't have this, and God, if
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  S2: you don't show up in this moment to for these
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  S2: women or for this group, they're not going to get anything.
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  S1: Ali that is so good to even share because there's
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  S1: so many people listening right now that have tried to
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  S1: share the gospel with a lost friend, or they found
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  S1: themselves at a moment where it's like, boy, the question is,
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  S1: what do you do in those moments? Sometimes it's good
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  S1: to just call a time out. Yeah. And I did
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  S1: this preaching one time at 180 downtown campus. I was
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  S1: I had a manuscript in front of me and I
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  S1: think it I remember it distinctly. It was like the
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  S1: second point. And I'm going through it and I can
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  S1: feel not resistance. This is just like wet concrete. And
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  S1: I'm stepping through it and I'm. And at one point
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  S1: I just stopped and go, hold it here a second stop.
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  S1: I just need to back up. Let me just pour
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  S1: out my heart and tell you the essence of this thing.
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  S1: And I took a long, deep breath and. I was
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  S1: really reliant on the Holy Spirit in that moment. It's like,
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  S1: all right, let me just bottom line you. Here's what's
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  S1: going on. And then it seemed to clear up big time. Well,
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  S1: it didn't just seem to. It did. And it's it's interesting.
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  S1: And if we can sometimes sometimes we get through something.
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  S1: And I've had plenty of times when I've gotten through
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  S1: a message or something going, oh boy, I was pressing hard.
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  S1: And I've had my bride encourage me saying, I know
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  S1: you more than anyone else knows you. No one else
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  S1: felt what you were feeling, but I could feel it
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  S1: with you, Bob. But God's going to use it in
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  S1: in spite of what you think. Yeah. Isn't that something?
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  S2: It is. And I think the important thing is it's
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  S2: not it's not so much about a feeling. So Carl
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  S2: and I both described what that felt like and maybe,
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  S2: you know, it, but it's. And so there are plenty
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  S2: of times when you can be fully abiding, relying on
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  S2: the power of the Holy Spirit and still walk away
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  S2: from doing something and feel like yes. I don't know
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  S2: if that was helpful for anybody. Like maybe not feel
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  S2: like it went well. So you can't necessarily trust the feeling,
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  S2: but there is a difference between trying to muster something up,
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  S2: trying to push and make something happen versus like just
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  S2: trusting God with the results and just going, I'm gonna,
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  S2: I'm gonna just trust you, Lord. And whatever the outcome is,
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  S2: I can't control that. So I'm not going to push
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  S2: to try to manufacture. I'm going to be faithful to you.
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  S2: I'm going to give them what you've given me, and
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  S2: then I'm just going to walk away at rest and
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  S2: at peace knowing that I did what I could do. Yeah.
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  S2: By your power.
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  S1: Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing when
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  S1: we can. We're talking about a life of impact today.
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  S1: And I think the cautionary thing here is if you
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  S1: live by feelings. We got to remember that sometimes what
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  S1: we're feeling is brought to us by Satan and his demons.
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  S1: Very true. Right?
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  S4: Absolutely. Absolutely true.
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  S1: And we need to know that God's Word will not
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  S1: return void. That is a great fallback plan when you
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  S1: feel like you've just stepped in it, man. But I
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  S1: think putting it out there, and there's a lot to
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  S1: be said for just putting it out there, isn't there, Ali?
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  S2: Yes. And just taking a deep breath, acknowledging your own weakness,
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  S2: asking God for his help, and then going, yeah.
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  S1: It's a beautiful thing. I don't know where you're at today,
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  S1: but the life of impact is not measured by how
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  S1: you feel things went. It is. It is something so
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  S1: much more beautiful than that because God can use anything.
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  S1: His word will not return void. And God is working
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  S1: in spite of us all the time. And yet we're
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  S1: called to abide. To draw our strength from God and
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  S1: to allow him to provide the overflow of His Spirit
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  S1: into the lives of people that we're around, the actions
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  S1: that we have, the words that we say. We got
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  S1: a gracious and good God, don't we?
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  S2: We do.
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  S1: We do. Good God.
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  S6: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.
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  S6: Super di is in the crew. It's Colin Crew on
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  S6: Moody radio.
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  S1: Okay. Uh, boy, I gotta tell you, man, when we're
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  S1: going to, when we're thinking about having impact in our life,
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  S1: would you, I don't think anything can steal away our
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  S1: ability to sort out our lives and get get things
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  S1: tracking with the totality of who we are, the gifting
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  S1: we have when our finances are in disarray, financial chaos
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  S1: or financial stress or financial, um, just anything around it
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  S1: that kind of burdens us. We're looking over our shoulder. It,
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  S1: it just steals away our ability to even focus on Christ.
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  S1: You know what I mean, guys?
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  S2: Yes. Is it can feel like a, the weight or
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  S2: the anchor kind of the thing playing in the background
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  S2: that overshadows everything else.
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  S1: Yeah, this is really hit me in recent years that
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  S1: I think the reason for stewardship financially, probably almost more
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  S1: than anything else beyond legacy left or investment strategies that
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  S1: position you well for retirement and all that kind of stuff.
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  S1: Beyond all of that is, let's put it to the
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  S1: positive financial. I'm struggling with words here. Financial. Having your
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  S1: finances lined out, not perfected. But you've got some order,
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  S1: you've got some space, you've got enough margin allows you
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  S1: to have spiritual clarity around your life. And there's something
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  S1: to be gained through that in a big way, isn't there?
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  S2: Oh, yeah. I mean, is this is this something that
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  S2: you feel like you've experienced personally? Kind of the difference?
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  S1: Yeah. It's a big discipleship principle and I want to
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  S1: break it down. We're going to have Rob West coming
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  S1: in here in just a moment. I'm going to lead
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  S1: with a story with him that is So relevant to
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  S1: a lot of you listening today because you want you.
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  S1: You love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind,
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  S1: and strength. But you can't even seem to do some
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  S1: core discipleship things that need to be happening in your
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  S1: life because you've got this constant burden or stress of
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  S1: finances around you. And the question is, can get in
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  S1: those lined out really change your spiritual trajectory? And I
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  S1: think the answer is yes, but let's get Rob in here.
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  S1: Hang on.
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  S6: It's Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
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  S1: It's Carl and crew, and we're talking about a life
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  S1: of impact. Going to bring in Rob West here. Rob,
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  S1: I want to start with a story. I gotta tell you, bro.
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  S1: I had a good brother share with me on just
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  S1: a couple of days ago. He said, hey, could I
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  S1: get some time with you? I said, listen, I got
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  S1: can we do it over the phone? He said, absolutely.
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  S1: So we set a time. Yesterday we talked. And the
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  S1: back story on this brother. Good dude loves the Lord
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  S1: with his whole heart but didn't always. He's made some
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  S1: bad decisions with love and marriage and different things. We just.
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  S1: It's tough man. So he's in love again. And I
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  S1: just said, alright bro, here's the deal. Here's what I
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  S1: need you to do for me. I need you to
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  S1: be honest to God enough to assess what got you
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  S1: here to begin with in your life. What got you here?
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  S1: What got you to this place? What? What do you
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  S1: need to learn? What do you need to change? You've
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  S1: got to get some space here. He said, I'm going
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  S1: to do it. I said, I want you to list
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  S1: like the top 8 to 10 things. That really has
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  S1: caused some problems in the past for me. Identify them
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  S1: and then we'll walk out of those weeds and we're
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  S1: talking through all this stuff. I said, look, I know
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  S1: you got your heart beating fast for a new young lady,
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  S1: but I said, do you know what the. Do you
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  S1: know what the rate of failure is for each subsequent
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  S1: marriage that you go into? And he's like, I know
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  S1: the numbers, man. I said, I don't want you to
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  S1: be that number. And then at the end of this conversation,
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  S1: I just felt prompted. And I said, so how's your
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  S1: business going? And he says, it's going pretty good. But
• 20:49
  S1: I said, you've got stress related to accounts receivable, don't you?
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  S1: He said, I do. He said, I got one client
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  S1: owes me 55 K. I was out of pocket to
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  S1: pay my my team. And I said, are those accounts
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  S1: going to come in? Are those moneys coming in? He said, yeah,
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  S1: I'm hoping so, but we just spent some time breaking
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  S1: it down. I said, listen, I do not believe you
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  S1: can do justice to looking at your past until you
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  S1: get your finances squared away. I want you to put
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  S1: on your track shoes and go find beat the pavement
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  S1: for jobs. Go man. Get get jobs. Get your team
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  S1: stocked up, get two months worth of jobs in front
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  S1: of you. Let's go. I said you've got to get
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  S1: income up. You've got to get expenses down. You've got
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  S1: to get accounts receivable squared away. And here's why. I
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  S1: do not believe you can have the margin to order
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  S1: your spiritual life, your heart, your soul, your mind until
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  S1: you get this squared away. And you know what he
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  S1: said to me, Ali?
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  S2: What?
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  S1: You're right, I can't man.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S1: Rob. I think maybe one of the most important reasons
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  S1: for getting squared away financially is Satan uses wonky finances
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  S1: to stall us in our discipleship of Christ. What do
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  S1: you say, my man?
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  S7: Oh, I couldn't agree more, Carl. I mean, I see
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  S7: it every day play out the weight that we carry
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  S7: when our finances are in disarray is real. I mean,
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  S7: the sleepless nights, what it does in a marriage in
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  S7: terms of just breaking down communication. Uh, it's so challenging.
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  S7: And I couldn't agree more in the sense that, you know,
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  S7: it's the clearest indicator into what's going on in someone's
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  S7: life spiritually, the way they're handling their money. Larry Burkett
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  S7: would say that often. And you know, what I've come
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  S7: to believe is that your financial journey is one of
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  S7: the key ways God shapes your spiritual journey. You know,
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  S7: financial management is formation at the end of the day
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  S7: in its most tangible sense, because you're voting with your
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  S7: dollars every day, all day. What what do I value?
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  S7: Where are my priorities? And when that gets out of line,
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  S7: what we carry and what we miss because we can't
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  S7: listen to the prompting of the Holy Spirit is real.
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  S7: I had a caller the other day on the show
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  S7: and she said, you know, Rob, I've been listening for
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  S7: about a year. I heard you say, I need a
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  S7: six month emergency fund. And I was living paycheck to paycheck.
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  S7: I had nothing in savings. she said. So I said,
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  S7: all right, I'm going to do this. And I dialed
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  S7: back spending and I started building some margin and I
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  S7: put away, you know, $200 a month. And then I
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  S7: upped it from there. And she said, would you believe
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  S7: that to the to the month I got to six
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  S7: months of emergency funds, I lost my job. And she said,
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  S7: had I been in the place I was before that,
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  S7: she said, I would have immediately gone into maintenance mode.
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  S7: What do I need to do? I need to find
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  S7: my next job. She said. I was able to stop,
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  S7: take a beat and say, Lord, what are you doing
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  S7: in my life? And she said, during that season of
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  S7: a couple of months where I was able to just
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  S7: stop and listen and meditate on God's Word and listen
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  S7: to the counsel of others. She said. I got clear
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  S7: on where God was sending me. She said, I want
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  S7: you to know I'm leaving next week to become a
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  S7: full time missionary overseas, and I would not have been
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  S7: able to listen to the Holy Spirit had I not
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  S7: had my financial house in order, because it just wouldn't
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  S7: have been possible. And I think that's the reality when
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  S7: we get our financial life in order. We're able to
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  S7: listen in a way that we can't otherwise do so.
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  S2: Rob West with us this morning, host of the nationally
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  S2: syndicated program Faith and Finance Live. Weekday afternoons right here
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  S2: on the Moody Radio Network. Now, for most many people,
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  S2: I don't want to broad brush, but many people listening
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  S2: right now, the. The stress is already rising because this
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  S2: is an area where they know that there's some struggle.
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  S2: And for many people, with the rising costs of absolutely everything,
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  S2: it feels like an impossibility. How in the world would
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  S2: I put away for six months when I can't even,
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  S2: you know, cover groceries or I'm struggling to pay rent
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  S2: or my mortgage? I'm behind. What do you say to
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  S2: the person who feels like this? This feels aspirational, but
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  S2: not at all where I'm living.
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  S7: Yeah, well, that's a great point, Ali. And I think
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  S7: the first thing is we've got to face reality. We've
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  S7: got to get clear on where we stand today. You know,
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  S7: the the most common thing I hear when people get
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  S7: into a place where they don't know where to turn is.
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  S7: They just start ignoring the problem. In many cases, they
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  S7: don't even want to open the mail. I had somebody
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  S7: tell me the other day, she said, oh yeah, that's
• 25:30
  S7: the scary mail. And so what do you mean? What
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  S7: does that mean? The scary mail. Oh, those are the
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  S7: envelopes that come in that I don't even open. And
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  S7: I just put it in that drawer over there. Wow.
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  S7: And they just stop facing reality. So the first step
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  S7: is I've got to know where I stand. I've got
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  S7: to start opening the mail. I've got to get an
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  S7: accounting of what am I bringing in and what's going
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  S7: out and how much debt do I have? And then
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  S7: once I have clarity about where I am today, then
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  S7: the question is not where do I want to be
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  S7: six months from now? Or where do I want to
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  S7: be a year from now? Let's not even focus on
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  S7: six months of emergency funds. The question is, what is
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  S7: the next faithful step today? What can I do today
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  S7: to dial back my spending? What can I do today
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  S7: to fix the budget busters in my life? And it begins.
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  S7: And somebody's going to roll their eyes. When I say this.
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  S7: It begins with understanding that God owns it all. Why? Well,
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  S7: first of all, it's true. Second of all, it places
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  S7: me in the role of manager. And two things happen.
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  S7: Number one is humility. Because when I know that God
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  S7: owns it all, I stop boasting in my own achievements.
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  S7: So I'm humble. And the second thing is, it brings hope. Why?
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  S7: Because I'm not carrying this alone. Yes, it's ultimately God's.
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  S7: And the question is, God, what would you have me
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  S7: to do with your money? Well, the card is in
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  S7: the shop. Well, that's not your car. That's God's car. God,
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  S7: what do you want me to do with your car tomorrow?
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  S7: And how do I move forward here? And then we
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  S7: invite God into our financial lives. How many of you
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  S7: have spread the bills out on the table and said, God,
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  S7: I can't do this alone. I need you in the
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  S7: middle of this. Let's not pull out the plastic and
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  S7: rob God of the opportunity to provide. Let's start praying
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  S7: and trusting and waiting for the knock at the door
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  S7: for you know that that person in our church that
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  S7: wants to rally around us and help us. Or maybe
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  S7: that's you today. There's somebody on your path that needs help.
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  S7: And the reason you've been entrusted with more than you
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  S7: need is because somebody else doesn't have what they need.
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  S7: And so we need to open our eyes and look
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  S7: for that opportunity to bless and love our neighbor.
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  S1: Rob our guest right now. And we're talking about a
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  S1: life of impact. And there's some of you that have
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  S1: so much potential, but it's buried and can't even be
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  S1: discovered until we get the financial stress out. And this
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  S1: can hit every income bracket listening right now. How do
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  S1: we do that? More with Rob West straight ahead.
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  S6: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Cast and Crew.
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  S1: Two of the most important passages in all the New
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  S1: Testament comes from the very words of Jesus when he
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  S1: speaks of a life of impact. And when we think
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  S1: of a life of impact, I think some people might say, boy,
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  S1: is it an okay thing to aspire to that. But
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  S1: of course, I mean, yes it is. It is a
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  S1: dynamite thing to say. I aspire to have a life
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  S1: of impact. Why? Because it comports with the teachings of Jesus.
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  S3: 100%.
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  S1: For starters.
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  S3: And I mean, you look at the Old Testament saints
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  S3: like Joshua, who took the Promised land and Moses who
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  S3: led them out of Egypt. Do you think that they
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  S3: wanted to have impact in the life that they were living?
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  S3: I'd say so.
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  S1: But of course. But of course. So you go to
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  S1: Matthew five, big passage for us here. Let your light
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  S1: so shine before men and women, that they will see
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  S1: your deeds and glorify your father who is in heaven.
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  S1: Now you got. It goes without saying that that is
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  S1: an impactful life. Is that fair?
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  S2: Absolutely.
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  S1: Yeah. So that's impact for sure. The question is, what's
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  S1: the meaning of it? Well, the light is the light
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  S1: of Jesus, not you, with your LEDs blaring. It's. It's
• 29:19
  S1: the light of Jesus flowing through us that allows people
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  S1: to see our lives and can ultimately give God praise
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  S1: and glory because they watch what we're doing and they say,
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  S1: take me to your leader. Now that's awesome. Then you
• 29:35
  S1: go to John 15. We go here all the time. Why?
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  S1: Because it's to God's glory. Jesus said that you bear
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  S1: much fruit. How cool is this? God is glorified in
• 29:48
  S1: us as we are satisfied in him, and that satisfaction
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  S1: in him produces fruit that the world cannot muster on
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  S1: their own. But in Christ Jesus we can. That's a
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  S1: life of impact.
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  S2: It is. And I'm so glad that you brought up
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  S2: that part of John 15 that it's it's to his glory,
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  S2: because that's the thing that we see that separates a
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  S2: life of impact for God's glory. Versus a life of
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  S2: impact where my name becomes great. And I think that
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  S2: sometimes can get a little to use a carlism squiggly.
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  S1: Yeah, it can get real squiggly. So what would you
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  S1: say right now, Alex? Somebody that wants a life of impact,
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  S1: but it's not for our glory. It's not for our fame.
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  S1: It's for the glory of God. And yet we get
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  S1: the joy of being partakers in that gospel. What do
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  S1: you say? Where do we go?
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  S2: I go right back to John 15. Focus on the
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  S2: abiding and the fruit takes care of itself. Because I
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  S2: think the problem becomes when we start to think about
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  S2: the ways in which we would like the fruit to
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  S2: look or the impact to look, this is the platform
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  S2: that I'd like to have the ministry endeavor that I'd
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  S2: like to pursue. Don't fixate on that. Focus on the
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  S2: abiding and then let God bear fruit.
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  S1: Beautiful. Okay, coming up here in a moment, we're talking
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  S1: about having a life of impact. Do we need to
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  S1: redefine what in the world this abundant life is that
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  S1: Jesus promised? Lina Abujamra might have something to say about that.
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  S1: Hang on.
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  S6: He was running from God. But God's love brought him home.
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  S6: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 31:33
  S6: Moody Radio.
• 31:35
  S1: So we were just diving into Jeremiah. What a guy.
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  S1: My goodness, what a calling. I just get such a
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  S1: kick out of this. Oh, God. I don't have the
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  S1: words to say. I'll give you the words. Jeremiah seven
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  S1: chapters later, verse 27. Oh, by the way, Jeremiah, nobody's
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  S1: going to listen to you. But this man had such
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  S1: a rich faith that even in the lamentations he writes,
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  S1: the steadfast love of the Lord never ceases. His mercies
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  S1: never come to an end. They are new every morning.
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  S1: Great is your faithfulness. But we get an indication here,
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  S1: and this sets us up for a guest we're going
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  S1: to bring in right now. The Lord is my portion,
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  S1: says my soul. Therefore I will hope in him. The
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  S1: Lord is good to those who wait for him. Lina.
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  S1: This is Jeremiah's lamentation talking about the greatness of God
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  S1: right after Jerusalem has been sacked, the temple has been
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  S1: burned and all of his buddies have been hauled off
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  S1: to Babylon. There is something going on deep in the
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  S1: soul of this man. Right, Lina?
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  S8: He's one of my favorites because I've needed to look
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  S8: at his life and example so much in my life. And,
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  S8: I mean, let's not make any bones about it. This
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  S8: guy's called the weeping Prophet. I mean, he had a
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  S8: lot of down days. This is not a guy who
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  S8: is constantly like, God is so good. He wrestled like
• 32:54
  S8: nobody else did. And I mean, he imagine him in
• 32:57
  S8: social media. Now imagine if he had a social media.
• 32:59
  S8: No followers, only haters, no converts, even the leaders, the
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  S8: Christian leaders. Like it's just like I just read an
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  S8: article that popped up in my Facebook yesterday. A pastor
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  S8: was saying that in a four week stint at his
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  S8: church and praise God for that. I'm not taking away
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  S8: from that. Had 147,000 people attend.
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  S1: That's a lot of people.
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  S8: How would Jeremiah fit in there?
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  S1: Well, Jeremiah.
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  S8: Looked like a success.
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  S1: Yeah. I mean, and he was a success. And the
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  S1: amazing thing about Jeremiah, in God's eyes and in the
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  S1: living legacy of Jeremiah, is we get to learn from
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  S1: his life. That's the powerful thing.
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  S8: When they were living there, when they were in the place,
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  S8: he got put in more prisons and potholes and pits, holes.
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  S8: And I mean, the guy to write Lamentations three is
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  S8: mind boggling because his life experience was so hard, but
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  S8: his ability to wrestle with God and come out on
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  S8: the side of what you just read is what makes
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  S8: him a hero of the faith.
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  S1: It's just amazing. Okay, Lina, let's just jump in here.
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  S1: You've got a new book releasing today, and we're going
• 34:03
  S1: to give a link for that in just a little bit,
• 34:04
  S1: guys with a bunch of freebies and cool DeVos and
• 34:07
  S1: all kinds of stuff you can get connected with. We'll
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  S1: get into that. So when I was a kid growing up,
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  S1: I always heard about what it really meant to live
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  S1: for Jesus and what I was told by a youth
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  S1: evangelist who came to our little church in Anchorage, Alaska,
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  S1: is it means that you put the Bible on top
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  S1: of all the other books and you walk from class
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  S1: to class. So I tried that. It was really hard
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  S1: for me, though, and I quit after one period because
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  S1: I wasn't a Christ follower. So I want to talk
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  S1: about this gap. We've got a lot of people that
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  S1: are trying to live for Jesus that aren't regenerate those number.
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  S1: I'm not lying because we got 70 plus percent of
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  S1: Americans say they're they're Christian, but only 4%, according to Barna's,
• 34:48
  S1: most recent stats have a Christian worldview and attempt to
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  S1: align their life privately and publicly with it. So that
• 34:54
  S1: gap is enormous. So let's begin with what does it
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  S1: really mean to live for Jesus? Let's quantify it. What
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  S1: is that? What are we aiming for?
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  S8: Look, I think, pastor, you've said it best, as I've
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  S8: heard you say it a million times before, which is
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  S8: Galatians 220. I've been crucified with Christ. Nevertheless I live.
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  S8: Yet not I, but Christ. Christ lives in me. So
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  S8: you basically come to Christ. You give up your life.
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  S8: There's no other way to say it. You're done. You're
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  S8: not your life anymore. It's Jesus in you. Which if
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  S8: you're like, I hate this concept and you have to
• 35:26
  S8: question whether you really know the Lord. Right. So because
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  S8: he's worth it, because the other side of it is
• 35:30
  S8: he's so worth it. And he, he's, I mean, he's
• 35:32
  S8: everything that we, you can imagine to have in life, security, peace, joy,
• 35:37
  S8: not riches and possessions. Yes, heaven will have everything you need,
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  S8: but even here on this life, to have him is
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  S8: to have everything. And when you understand that, it becomes
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  S8: an honor to give him your life. So there's that.
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  S8: So I think there's two categories to, to kind of
• 35:51
  S8: break down what you're saying, because I think there's the
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  S8: person who thinks they're a Christian and is not, so
• 35:56
  S8: to say, you know, first, am I a Christian? But
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  S8: I think my other concern writing this book is the
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  S8: many who truly are like. Right now, we are experiencing
• 36:04
  S8: a somewhat of a revival in the United States considering
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  S8: how things have been and where they are now. And
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  S8: men are coming back to church and we hear we
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  S8: see on social media people flocking 147,000 people in a
• 36:15
  S8: month at a church, you know, Forrest Frank concerts, millions coming,
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  S8: you know, all the numbers that are there, Asbury and
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  S8: the like. But but I think also not just there's
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  S8: a group that thinks they're Christians who are not, but
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  S8: then there's ones who truly are but have a skewed
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  S8: expectation based on cultural norms and social norms of what
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  S8: it really means to be a Christian.
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  S1: Okay, so on that topic, what lie have we bought
• 36:38
  S1: from Satan that is askew from the gospel?
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  S8: Okay, you started the segment. I couldn't, I mean, again,
• 36:46
  S8: is the Holy Spirit alive for you to bring up Jeremiah?
• 36:49
  S8: I mean, again, this is the prototype at the end
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  S8: of the day. So the biggest lie is that if
• 36:54
  S8: I give my life to Jesus, everything circumstantial is going
• 36:59
  S8: to be okay because everything is going to be okay. Yes,
• 37:02
  S8: but everything Western circumstantial is going to be okay. Meaning
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  S8: if I do what God wants, he'll give me what
• 37:09
  S8: I want.
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  S1: Yeah. That's what we boiled it down to. Yeah.
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  S8: And we may not say it this bluntly, but we
• 37:16
  S8: believe if I do what God wants, then I'm going to.
• 37:18
  S8: This was the lie of the purity culture. I'm going
• 37:20
  S8: to find the perfect person to marry my. My life
• 37:23
  S8: is going to be happily ever after. My kids are
• 37:25
  S8: going to follow Jesus if I bring them up in
• 37:27
  S8: a nurturing, you know, in the ways of the Lord.
• 37:29
  S8: So we take a little bit of Scripture and now
• 37:31
  S8: we impose on it the American dream of blessing and
• 37:34
  S8: prosperity and all the things that ease, ease and comfort.
• 37:38
  S8: And I think the lie is that ease and comfort
• 37:41
  S8: come from perfect circumstances. And it is God's job to
• 37:44
  S8: give me perfect circumstances. What God offers is peace and
• 37:48
  S8: comfort that come from his presence.
• 37:52
  S1: How do we jar ourselves free from. I believe what
• 37:55
  S1: we've taken is the American dream and we've tried to
• 37:59
  S1: layer that over God's vision for our life. And on
• 38:03
  S1: that whole tenant that you just raised the tenant of,
• 38:06
  S1: how's my circumstances going? They don't cross paths at all.
• 38:12
  S1: The American dream and God's vision for our life. They.
• 38:15
  S1: They don't cross paths. Lina.
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  S8: I think the the solution that God has given us
• 38:22
  S8: to overcome this malady is suffering.
• 38:25
  S1: You're right.
• 38:25
  S8: Personal suffering, emotional suffering. The fact that anxiety. Number one,
• 38:30
  S8: you know, Gen Z right now. I mean, the book
• 38:31
  S8: I wrote is for Gen Z's. It's to help them
• 38:33
  S8: navigate this because you're kind of looking, we look at
• 38:35
  S8: Gen Z as a problem that needs to be fixed.
• 38:37
  S8: I come to Jesus. I put my trust in him.
• 38:39
  S8: Why am I still struggling with anxiety? Yet suffering is
• 38:42
  S8: the very thing. I mean, anxiety for that person is
• 38:45
  S8: the very thing God is using as the invitation to
• 38:47
  S8: experience him more deeply. You may never be cured of anxiety,
• 38:50
  S8: but you will have the Lord who will heal you
• 38:52
  S8: in that space.
• 38:54
  S1: Yeah, and that's the difference. You know.
• 38:56
  S8: I know, I see your brain rolling.
• 38:58
  S1: No, my my brain, my brain's rolling here because I
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  S1: think a lot of people we went through a season
• 39:05
  S1: where in the church where if you're in Christ, you're fearless. Well,
• 39:09
  S1: then why in the world did God talk about fear
• 39:11
  S1: so much? If we're fearless, and why did the Apostle
• 39:14
  S1: Paul reference anxiety? And why did James, the half brother
• 39:18
  S1: of Jesus, uh, allude to the fact that you're going
• 39:20
  S1: to be anxious for a lot of stuff, but God
• 39:22
  S1: will give you wisdom through these trials if they aren't
• 39:24
  S1: going to be there. So it's not. We don't get
• 39:27
  S1: delivered from Jeremiah. Again, it's proof positive we get delivered
• 39:31
  S1: through him.
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  S8: Yes. And in them. Yes. And look, I mean, I'm
• 39:35
  S8: watching right now. I'm in a season of life where
• 39:37
  S8: I'm watching probably my hero of the faith. My mother,
• 39:39
  S8: who brought me to Christ, led me to the Lord.
• 39:41
  S8: And and she's 85 this march. And bless her heart,
• 39:45
  S8: you know, she has lived as faithful. And God has
• 39:48
  S8: blessed her with a sharp mind. She looks great. Everyone
• 39:51
  S8: can't believe she looks like she does. She is in
• 39:53
  S8: the Word of God. And I don't know of a
• 39:55
  S8: person who loves Jesus so purely as I am. Many.
• 39:58
  S8: There are others in her generation, but but but you
• 40:02
  S8: know that you know that Christian, that I am.
• 40:04
  S1: Yes, yes, yes. Rich in faith.
• 40:06
  S8: She walks around the house, humming hymns, practicing the the.
• 40:11
  S8: Everything like she's lived her life honoring her husband, bringing
• 40:14
  S8: up her kids, you name it. Not deviated through church hurt.
• 40:18
  S8: ET cetera. ET cetera. She's she's a refugee from Palestine.
• 40:21
  S8: Back in 1949, when she was seven, they ended up
• 40:24
  S8: in Lebanon, you know, went through a lot of different
• 40:27
  S8: family dynamics, did not grow up as a believer, gave
• 40:29
  S8: her life to Christ, and has faithfully walked the path.
• 40:31
  S8: And now at 85, she gets hit with leukemia. She's
• 40:35
  S8: got a shoulder that's frozen. She's got some kids that
• 40:38
  S8: give her trouble. You know, it is like I'm watching
• 40:41
  S8: her level of suffering. This is a person who has
• 40:45
  S8: she's not leading a Bible study, though. She has been
• 40:47
  S8: faithful in the church her whole life. And part of
• 40:49
  S8: your brain looks at a person like this and goes,
• 40:52
  S8: how do you still like? Is this a faithful like,
• 40:56
  S8: what's the payoff? Yes, that's the American mindset. Yes. To go.
• 41:00
  S8: What's the payoff for a person who's lived so faithfully?
• 41:03
  S8: If you get to 85, she has more trials in
• 41:05
  S8: this last year than she's had in the last ten
• 41:07
  S8: years combined in 2026, in six months. Yet I've never
• 41:12
  S8: seen her so deeply dependent and rejoicing. And she if
• 41:17
  S8: she was sitting here next to me and she's right
• 41:19
  S8: down the street, if she was sitting right next to
• 41:21
  S8: her first thing, this is what it means to live
• 41:23
  S8: for Jesus. It is understanding that though the trials are many,
• 41:27
  S8: the Savior has become sweeter. She cannot wait to see him.
• 41:30
  S8: Whether it's a month, a year, or a decade, she
• 41:33
  S8: is ready and she's experiencing him out. She's not waiting
• 41:36
  S8: for heaven to see him. To me, that is the
• 41:38
  S8: picture of the Christian life that I don't think we
• 41:40
  S8: see enough of on social media, because these people are
• 41:43
  S8: not busy posting, they're busy worshiping.
• 41:47
  S1: So we look at a verse, a basic one that
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  S1: if you've been in church any length of time at all,
• 41:52
  S1: you know it. The thief came to steal, kill and destroy.
• 41:54
  S1: I came that you may have life and life abundant. Here's.
• 41:57
  S1: I think here's the rub, Lina. I think we have
• 42:00
  S1: defined abundant wrongly. I think we've wrongly defined.
• 42:06
  S8: Correct.
• 42:07
  S1: And when we define abundant wrongly, we set ourselves up
• 42:12
  S1: for disappointment upon disappointment and despair, don't we?
• 42:17
  S8: That's it. I mean, you took the words out of
• 42:19
  S8: my mouth. That's it. The disappointment leads to despair. Where's God?
• 42:22
  S8: Why isn't he fighting for me? And I think we
• 42:24
  S8: do it. I mean, I'll tell you, as a person
• 42:26
  S8: who's given my life to not just to to Christ,
• 42:28
  S8: but my calling, my, my, my I've put ministry above
• 42:33
  S8: medicine and a medicine is a ministry. But in my mind,
• 42:36
  S8: teaching the Word of God, bringing souls to Christ, discipling
• 42:39
  S8: all those things that are of greater value to me.
• 42:42
  S8: So in some ways, because of my goals are Christian,
• 42:45
  S8: the assumption is that now God is going to bless
• 42:48
  S8: this Christian thing even more. So even as we see
• 42:51
  S8: young people come to know Christ more and revive more, again, psychologically,
• 42:56
  S8: when you impose the American dream, you think, oh, well,
• 42:58
  S8: if I'm going to go be a missionary as an example,
• 43:00
  S8: or if I'm going to go be a pastor, then
• 43:01
  S8: God's going to bless those endeavors because I'm sacrificing a
• 43:04
  S8: career in finance, a career in medicine, whatever it is
• 43:06
  S8: that you think you're sacrificing Christ. So now you live
• 43:09
  S8: this Christian path, and now you find yourself maybe in
• 43:12
  S8: Montana somewhere, pastoring a small church that isn't growing a
• 43:16
  S8: social media account that doesn't bring you revenue and you're
• 43:19
  S8: kind of going, God, I did this for you. You're
• 43:21
  S8: writing books that nobody wants. You know what I mean?
• 43:22
  S8: Whatever it is that we think should be. And you're
• 43:25
  S8: kind of going, well, that didn't pan out because again,
• 43:28
  S8: abundance in our life means hundreds of people getting baptized,
• 43:32
  S8: many people turning their life to which comes back to Jeremiah,
• 43:34
  S8: the man who had no converts during his life. The
• 43:37
  S8: Ethiopian was a man who saved, I don't even think
• 43:39
  S8: knew the living God from a personal experience, but saved
• 43:42
  S8: him from the pit because he felt sorry for him
• 43:44
  S8: when his own religious leaders didn't save him. That's Jeremiah
• 43:46
  S8: in the book of Jeremiah. And so again, a bog
• 43:49
  S8: mind boggling exercise when you compare life in Christ biblically
• 43:54
  S8: and life in Christ, American and Western.
• 43:57
  S1: You would contend that our greatest disappointment flows out of
• 44:01
  S1: a misguided plumb bob, not a plumb bob of truth,
• 44:06
  S1: but a plumb bob of earthly standards.
• 44:09
  S8: Whatever our expectations are, this is why the purity movement, again,
• 44:13
  S8: to pick on that, because people are familiar with the
• 44:15
  S8: controversy of the purity culture, where if I stay pure
• 44:18
  S8: and and guard my heart, and then I find someone
• 44:22
  S8: and God's going to give us a happy marriage. And
• 44:23
  S8: a generation of millennials were disappointed because they got married
• 44:26
  S8: and then they were disappointed and they divorce rates were
• 44:28
  S8: just as high. And, and again, it's whatever your expectation
• 44:32
  S8: that you bring to God, if it's not if it's
• 44:34
  S8: built on earthly measures, you are going to be disappointed.
• 44:39
  S8: So when you think about what does it mean to
• 44:41
  S8: really live for Jesus with all of your life now,
• 44:44
  S8: the complete whole of your life, and for all of
• 44:46
  S8: your life in the future. It is to set expectations
• 44:50
  S8: that God wants and gives us. And when you talk
• 44:54
  S8: about the abundant life, what Jesus was talking about had
• 44:57
  S8: nothing to do with money, status, position, or power.
• 44:59
  S1: None.
• 45:00
  S8: And yet his disciples. I don't think there was a.
• 45:04
  S8: Once they got that because during the three years of ministry,
• 45:06
  S8: I don't think they understood it. So I think, again,
• 45:08
  S8: you can be following Jesus and still not get it.
• 45:10
  S8: But once they experience the living Christ, the resurrection, the
• 45:12
  S8: Holy Spirit in them, and they were massively aware of
• 45:15
  S8: spiritual realities. I don't think you could have found a happier,
• 45:18
  S8: more content, more abundant life bunch. And almost every one
• 45:22
  S8: of the disciples was killed for the gospel except for
• 45:24
  S8: John the Beloved.
• 45:25
  S1: Yeah. I wonder as I look at the word, because
• 45:28
  S1: I see in John four it is that that Peter
• 45:31
  S1: and John, they're threatened and they're, they're, they're identified as
• 45:36
  S1: pretty uneducated dudes. But they'd been with Jesus and they
• 45:40
  S1: just come back and they have a prayer meeting. And
• 45:42
  S1: I got to believe that as a result of that
• 45:45
  S1: prayer meeting and then watching God use them to rock
• 45:48
  S1: that world. Not with this health, wealth, prosperity, Jesus, but
• 45:52
  S1: with a transcendent Jesus that overcomes family alienation, loss of inheritance.
• 45:59
  S1: Because these were the costs attached to those early disciples,
• 46:02
  S1: they lost everything. Lena to follow Jesus. Yeah, that's the
• 46:07
  S1: real stuff.
• 46:07
  S8: Yeah. And you know, I agree. And also, I think
• 46:10
  S8: it's important to remember because I feel in some ways,
• 46:13
  S8: like even the disciples, they were like, you know, the
• 46:15
  S8: forest Franks, the, you know, the Asbury preacher, whatever. You know,
• 46:18
  S8: they were like the, you know, the highlight reels, like
• 46:20
  S8: in a sense, I love them. But I also think
• 46:22
  S8: remember that for every Peter, there's a Dorcas. Yeah. Dorcas. Yeah.
• 46:26
  S8: The woman who is serving, no one even knew about
• 46:28
  S8: her until she died. And then everyone was so devastated.
• 46:31
  S8: She was serving in the church. She wasn't even like,
• 46:33
  S8: she wasn't even, you know, because you could be like, well, man,
• 46:36
  S8: if I was winning a million, if I had 147,000
• 46:39
  S8: people in the month at my church, like I'd be,
• 46:41
  S8: you know, but what if you're the Dorcas?
• 46:42
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• 47:43
  S1: Let's we've we've been working at getting some voices in
• 47:47
  S1: from Spokane, Coeur d'Alene, and it's all in the same
• 47:51
  S1: area right there. And let's get Jay Pounder in here
• 47:54
  S1: right now. Jay is with Moody. Jay. Jay you boy,
• 48:00
  S1: what you're doing right now is shifted. Your senior stewardship rep,
• 48:04
  S1: they're based out of Spokane. God has used you powerfully
• 48:08
  S1: and now he's got your focus shifted here. What's going on?
• 48:11
  S1: Give us an update. What's happening in Spokane?
• 48:14
  S9: Yeah. Good morning everyone. Um, yeah, it's been probably one
• 48:19
  S9: of the most challenging weeks in Spokane's history. Uh, what
• 48:24
  S9: we're looking at right now, um, between the three fires
• 48:27
  S9: is about ten 000 plus acres burned, a thousand plus
• 48:31
  S9: structures destroyed or damaged, a lot of those being people's homes, uh,
• 48:37
  S9: at the height of, you know, the evacuations between, you know. Saturday.
• 48:42
  S9: And now about 67,000 people have had to be relocated. Um,
• 48:48
  S9: we've got three main shelters in Spokane. Um, they are
• 48:52
  S9: filling up pretty rapidly. Um, some folks are relocating to
• 48:57
  S9: other areas. Idaho, central Washington, Tri-Cities area to find hotel rooms. Um,
• 49:04
  S9: you know, and we've got a lot of first responders
• 49:07
  S9: on the ground and more on the way. Um, you know,
• 49:10
  S9: our governor has done everything he can. Uh, he's working
• 49:15
  S9: with a consortium of, of both, both sides of the
• 49:17
  S9: House of legislators. I'm in contact with those legislators, and
• 49:21
  S9: they're keeping me updated pretty regularly. Uh, we're asking for
• 49:25
  S9: relief dollars. Uh, our governor was on the phone with
• 49:28
  S9: the president just, you know, a day or so ago
• 49:32
  S9: asking for relief dollars. We're waiting on those to be approved. Uh,
• 49:35
  S9: and yes, they they did make an arrest yesterday, a
• 49:40
  S9: very disturbing individual. And it's Spokane. This is historically the
• 49:48
  S9: biggest fire we've ever had. It's burned more acreage than
• 49:52
  S9: firestorm 91 and the Great Spokane Fire back in the
• 49:56
  S9: 1800s combined. It's a it's a humanitarian issue. Karl. It's
• 50:02
  S9: extraordinarily disturbing. Um, people have lost livelihoods, homes. It's there's
• 50:09
  S9: a lot of confusion on the ground. There's a lot
• 50:12
  S9: of people trying to do a lot of good. Um,
• 50:14
  S9: I'm currently trying to work with a group of churches
• 50:16
  S9: to open up their buildings, uh, to partner with the
• 50:19
  S9: Red cross to try to alleviate some of the pressure
• 50:21
  S9: on those shelters. Uh, so kind of shifting, wearing a
• 50:25
  S9: different hat right now, other than stewardship and working to
• 50:29
  S9: try to, you know, help those kids go to college.
• 50:31
  S9: We're shifting gears here in Spokane and trying to be
• 50:33
  S9: the church that, uh, that acts was to help those men. Yeah, absolutely.
• 50:39
  S2: J. The, uh. I mean, it's for those of us
• 50:42
  S2: who are not there. Paint a picture of what you're
• 50:45
  S2: what you're seeing the, the impact, obviously, uh, structures burned,
• 50:50
  S2: but also the power outages for those who aren't even
• 50:53
  S2: in evacuation zones, but water shortages, obviously, the, the stress
• 50:57
  S2: on first responders, uh, help us, help us get a
• 51:00
  S2: picture of it.
• 51:02
  S9: Yeah, absolutely. Um, what we're seeing, uh, the power outages, uh,
• 51:06
  S9: our local utility, Avista Utilities, has done a great job
• 51:10
  S9: of getting power back on. And as of about 2 a.m.,
• 51:14
  S9: I got a text message from a legislator that they're
• 51:16
  S9: trying to restore power in to some of the previously
• 51:19
  S9: burned areas because their infrastructure has been burned up. So
• 51:23
  S9: they're having to set up temporary temporary utilities and, and
• 51:27
  S9: depots for power distribution. Uh, the biggest problem in some
• 51:31
  S9: of these areas is that the natural gas lines are
• 51:34
  S9: still burning. Uh, and you can just see flames shooting
• 51:39
  S9: out of the pipes. So they're having to shut this
• 51:40
  S9: stuff off and figuring out how to reroute it, uh,
• 51:43
  S9: to protect both first responders and maybe anybody who's returning, uh,
• 51:48
  S9: to their property in the level that's been downgraded from
• 51:50
  S9: the evacuation zones here in Spokane. Um, as far as
• 51:54
  S9: water shortages, uh, yeah, some of the rural parts of Spokane,
• 51:59
  S9: which is more north, um, there's just not the hydrants
• 52:02
  S9: in those areas to be able to fight those fires.
• 52:04
  S9: So these tanker trucks and support rigs are having to
• 52:07
  S9: leave fires come back. And, uh, we've got a real
• 52:11
  S9: problem right now that I hope that people in Spokane
• 52:14
  S9: listen to is drones. Um, yesterday we had 13 firefighting
• 52:18
  S9: aircraft in the area. Um, those were grounded due to
• 52:21
  S9: the fact that people were flying their, their own personal
• 52:24
  S9: drones in the flight path of some of these, uh,
• 52:27
  S9: some of these tankers. Uh, so they had to, they
• 52:30
  S9: had to ground those aircraft late yesterday afternoon. Um, the fire.
• 52:35
  S9: The main fire right now they're trying to fight is
• 52:37
  S9: the Autumn Lane. Fire. Old trails fire, um, is slow.
• 52:42
  S9: It is jumping from residential property to residential property. But
• 52:45
  S9: they have crews on that, uh, the Fairview fire, they
• 52:49
  S9: stopped forward progression on, uh, and they seem to be
• 52:52
  S9: kind of in a containment mop up mode from everything
• 52:55
  S9: I'm seeing and hearing from legislators, law enforcement on the ground. Uh,
• 52:59
  S9: we're really blessed to have some really great partners, uh,
• 53:02
  S9: to connect with us on that and feed us information,
• 53:05
  S9: but we've got to get those drones out of the air.
• 53:07
  S9: We've got to get those aircraft back up to really
• 53:10
  S9: knock down the progression of those fires. Winds are coming
• 53:14
  S9: out of the north today. Uh, but Friday, Saturday, they're
• 53:17
  S9: looking to pick back up in a more easterly fashion
• 53:20
  S9: at 15, 20 miles an hour. So if they can
• 53:22
  S9: get those aircraft in the air today, uh, really be
• 53:25
  S9: dumping quite a bit of water on that, they can
• 53:27
  S9: stop the forward progression of the Autumn lane fire. Wow. Uh,
• 53:31
  S9: and really stopped in its tracks.
• 53:33
  S1: Jay pounder, a guest right now live from Spokane, normally
• 53:38
  S1: in stewardship and boy has had has changed here big time.
• 53:42
  S1: You have given us a very thorough update about what's
• 53:45
  S1: going on. What? One last question. Visibility. My what's going
• 53:50
  S1: on with visibility? I mean, and even air pollution, it's
• 53:55
  S1: got to be rough.
• 53:57
  S9: It's, it's really bad. Um, the parts per million when
• 54:01
  S9: smoke is just increased in the six and seven hundreds,
• 54:04
  S9: you know, the law enforcement, medical call outs for people
• 54:08
  S9: having difficulty breathing are, are very rapid. Uh, right now
• 54:12
  S9: I'm paying close attention to, uh, the police scanner radios,
• 54:16
  S9: ham radio. I'm a big ham radio guy, so I
• 54:18
  S9: have that going and listening to the call outs for
• 54:21
  S9: the sheer amount of people just having difficulty breathing is astounding. Uh,
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  S9: visibility as I kind of look out over my farm
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  S9: here in North Spokane, it's it's bad. It's we haven't
• 54:31
  S9: seen it like this in years. Um, you know, some
• 54:35
  S9: of our teammates experienced that when they were back at
• 54:37
  S9: Oshkosh and saw how bad the smoke out of the
• 54:40
  S9: Canadian fires were. It's it's as bad or worse at
• 54:44
  S9: some points during the day. Uh, depends on what direction
• 54:46
  S9: the wind blows as well. Carl.
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  S1: Yeah. Oh. J. J. Our guest right now also have
• 54:52
  S1: with us right now Jim Conrad from Spokane. Conrad. He is, uh,
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  S1: dean of Moody Aviation on the Spokane campus of Moody
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  S1: Bible Institute. Some of you are listening right now. Don't
• 55:02
  S1: know that we have Moody Aviation there, but we've got
• 55:05
  S1: Jim Conrad. Jim, have you? I, I know that you're
• 55:10
  S1: a you're a pilot of small planes. You've been in
• 55:13
  S1: the bush, you've probably seen a lot of wildfires. How
• 55:16
  S1: does this strike in you first, Jim.
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  S10: Good morning Carl. Yeah. This is probably, as Jay was saying,
• 55:24
  S10: the worst fire that we've seen in Spokane since Moody
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  S10: Aviation moved here, uh, 22 years ago. So definitely impactful. And, uh,
• 55:34
  S10: as a lot of people concerned, but at the same time,
• 55:38
  S10: we know that even as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego found
• 55:42
  S10: out that the Lord is with us even in the fire.
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  S2: Yeah. Jim, has Moody Aviation been impacted? How are you
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  S2: and the staff, the students?
• 55:52
  S10: Thankfully, Moody Aviation Campus itself, based out of Phelps Field, uh,
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  S10: here in Spokane, Washington, has not been in the path
• 56:01
  S10: of this particular fire. And we're able to operate. Um,
• 56:05
  S10: and so that's, that's been a big praise. We do
• 56:08
  S10: have a number of our students and staff families who
• 56:11
  S10: had to evacuate. Uh, homes were in the path of
• 56:15
  S10: the fire. Uh, and, uh, praise the Lord. The, as
• 56:20
  S10: far as I know, um, they're the majority of all
• 56:24
  S10: the homes have remained intact of the moody, moody family.
• 56:30
  S10: There's one that's a question mark that I am trying
• 56:34
  S10: to learn more about today. If it may have been
• 56:38
  S10: impacted by the fires yesterday or not, but people are
• 56:43
  S10: safe and the community has been caring for one another. And, uh,
• 56:49
  S10: we just actually opened up an apartment complex for Moody
• 56:54
  S10: aviation that a partner built on our behalf. And so
• 56:58
  S10: that's able to house a number of our, our students
• 57:01
  S10: that are displaced right now and not able to be
• 57:04
  S10: at their original place of residence. So God is watching
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  S10: out for us. Uh, and, uh, we're praying that, that
• 57:14
  S10: we can use this time, uh, in the midst of
• 57:17
  S10: challenging situations to respond in ways that will make the
• 57:22
  S10: world hungry for, for what we have with the peace
• 57:24
  S10: that passes understanding that he guards our hearts with.
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  S1: Amen. I know, Jim, in the coming weeks, you're going
• 57:31
  S1: to be able to get airborne and get some aerial
• 57:33
  S1: footage of the devastation. But right now, what's your day
• 57:38
  S1: to day looking like? You move from Dean of Moody
• 57:40
  S1: Aviation into fire watcher. It's got to be a tinderbox there, right? Still,
• 57:45
  S1: I mean, it's this thing could crop up again, I guess. Correct, Jim.
• 57:50
  S10: It can. We're not out of the woods yet. The
• 57:54
  S10: fires are still burning. And even as Jay mentioned this weekend,
• 57:58
  S10: the winds are forecast to pick back up. And so
• 58:03
  S10: the we have ash. That's that's traveling throughout Spokane. Uh,
• 58:08
  S10: my daughter even found some burnt leaves in our yard
• 58:11
  S10: just yesterday. So, uh, as the wind picks things up
• 58:16
  S10: and carries them around, we need to be praying that
• 58:19
  S10: the firefighters will be able to have the strength and
• 58:22
  S10: energy to continue putting out those fires today, while the
• 58:24
  S10: winds are a bit calmer so that it doesn't get
• 58:28
  S10: stirred back up again this weekend.
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  S1: Yeah. We're so grateful for you, Jim. And you, Jay,
• 58:35
  S1: two of Moody's finest man boots on the ground. And
• 58:38
  S1: they live there. They minister from there. And now their
• 58:41
  S1: ministry shift has changed for sure. The emphasis and focus.
• 58:46
  S1: We're going to pray here right now. We're going to
• 58:49
  S1: keep it pinned right here. And we're going to pray
• 58:50
  S1: about this. Uh, young Thunder, I want you to pray.
• 58:56
  S1: And then, Allie, I want you to cap this off
• 58:58
  S1: if you would. Let's just take it before the Lord
• 59:00
  S1: right now.
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  S3: Yeah. Father, I thank you so much that you have
• 59:06
  S3: placed brothers and sisters in Christ in the midst of
• 59:09
  S3: this disaster right now, to be your light to people
• 59:12
  S3: who need to see you right now. God, I pray
• 59:15
  S3: that you would have your hand over Spokane first for
• 59:18
  S3: the immediate disaster. Lord, I pray that you would give
• 59:21
  S3: the firefighters and law enforcement and government wisdom to be
• 59:24
  S3: able to take care of this and to take care
• 59:26
  S3: of it quickly, Lord, that these fires would would come down.
• 59:30
  S3: And Lord, I pray that before even the firefighters contain them,
• 59:33
  S3: I pray that you would. I pray that you would
• 59:35
  S3: put your hands around them and stop them from moving
• 59:37
  S3: and quench them. Lord. Uh, God, I then pray for
• 59:41
  S3: your light to shine to your people and those who
• 59:45
  S3: are yet to be your people, that they may see you. Uh, Lord,
• 59:49
  S3: as we've been talking about today. That your sons and
• 59:52
  S3: daughters would let their light shine, uh, among men so
• 59:56
  S3: that they would turn and glorify you. Lord, let your
• 59:59
  S3: presence be undeniable in this situation. God, I pray.
• 1:00:02
  S2: Lord, we thank you that you are sovereign, that this
• 1:00:05
  S2: did not catch you by surprise, that God you. You
• 1:00:09
  S2: work all things for good, Lord, even when we don't
• 1:00:12
  S2: understand it, even when it doesn't make sense. So Lord,
• 1:00:15
  S2: I just pray that you would extend your hand of mercy,
• 1:00:18
  S2: that you would just be merciful to the people of Spokane.
• 1:00:21
  S2: Oh God, that you would stop the fires. God, we
• 1:00:24
  S2: pray just the most simple, basic request. Lord, we know
• 1:00:27
  S2: that it's not hard for you. We pray that you
• 1:00:30
  S2: would turn back the flames. God, that no more structures
• 1:00:33
  S2: would be burned. Lord, that there would be no lives
• 1:00:35
  S2: lost in this. Oh God that the rebuilding effort, oh
• 1:00:39
  S2: God would go smoothly. Lord, we just pray that you
• 1:00:42
  S2: would somehow use this Lord for your. That you would
• 1:00:44
  S2: be glorified God, that your light would be seen, that
• 1:00:48
  S2: your power. God that your goodness, that it would be
• 1:00:50
  S2: seen even in this Lord. And I pray that you
• 1:00:52
  S2: would strengthen those who already know you. As Jonathan said,
• 1:00:57
  S2: that their light would shine, that people would see that
• 1:01:00
  S2: they would want to know you, God, even as they
• 1:01:02
  S2: are going through maybe one of the worst times of
• 1:01:05
  S2: their lives, that God. That they would see that you
• 1:01:07
  S2: are not far off. God, that you are right there,
• 1:01:10
  S2: that as they mentioned, the name of Jesus, as they
• 1:01:12
  S2: call upon the name of Jesus, they can know you
• 1:01:16
  S2: as well. So, Lord, I pray for the the fire
• 1:01:19
  S2: of revival to spread God, even right now in Spokane. Lord,
• 1:01:23
  S2: that is not too hard for you. So we ask
• 1:01:26
  S2: that you would do it. Comfort those who are afflicted
• 1:01:29
  S2: right now. God. Comfort those who are fearful, those who
• 1:01:32
  S2: have experienced loss. Lord, would you meet practical needs, protect
• 1:01:36
  S2: those who are responding. And Lord, be glorified through it all.
• 1:01:40
  S2: In Jesus name.
• 1:01:42
  S1: Amen. And let it be total agreement there J and Jim,
• 1:01:48
  S1: we love you guys and we're grateful that you can
• 1:01:52
  S1: be that salt and light in this crisis right now.
• 1:01:55
  S1: You guys keep it up and keep us posted. We're
• 1:01:57
  S1: going to try to get you in again to give
• 1:01:59
  S1: us an update down the road here a bit. Okay.
• 1:02:02
  S10: Thanks. Thanks so much, Carl.
• 1:02:04
  S1: Yeah. Godspeed, J. Jim Conrad, two of two of Moody's best.
• 1:02:09
  S1: Can't you feel it? You know.
• 1:02:10
  S2: Man, men of faith. That's what's needed in times of crisis.
• 1:02:15
  S2: Men of faith standing strong. Leading the way.
• 1:02:18
  S1: Yeah.