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Episode 2 · Coach Speak The Return

• Matt Seidl: Here we go. Four quarters, two coaches, plenty to talk about. I'm Matt Seidel, he's Josh Trope, and this is Coach Beak. What's up, my man? Josh: How we doing this morning? Matt Seidl: I am fresh after watching my Texas Longhorns. My Texas Longhorns. I hate Texas, but I I hate them less than I hate Ohio State. What a great comeback. Josh: Yeah, it was. Unbelievable game. I think, since we're leading with that, I think we should let the viewers and the listeners know that we record these podcasts on Sundays, and then we're going to plan on releasing them every Thursday morning. Is that correct? Matt Seidl: Absolutely. I think that's well, that that's our plan right now, but stuff happens. So but the release date should stay consistent, th whether we tape on Sunday or not, we'll see. But yes, that is our that is what we've been doing. So like our NFL picks from last week, they're not even in yet. other than th I guess well Seattle is because they played early, but the Lion Josh: Right. Matt Seidl: the Lions Saints game, we don't even know the outcome yet to even calculate our totals. But we're gonna tie by the way in our our football picks after that Texas comeback, so yeah. Josh: But I'm thrilled with that. Anytime Ohio State loses, it's a good thing. Matt Seidl: Yeah, no doubt. I see you're wearing a Notre Dame t-shirt today. I want you to notice that I'm wearing a polo. Now, again, t-shirt, polo. Scrub classy. I'm just saying there's a difference between the two universities, but I thought Michigan would be appropriate after all the bashing that took place on this podcast last week about Michigan. I figured this wasn't appropriate where I was gonna show you the the the Whittingham sign that mini helmet to, but you know I actually I am gonna show it to you. I am showing it to you. So yeah. I got this at the National in Chicago. That was kind of a cool little little gesture, but anyway. before we get started on our our main topic or conversation today, again, you can follow us on multiple platforms YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, our personal X accounts, and then the Apple Podcast app as well. We're loaded there. So we're just getting this thing rolling and off the ground again. This is episode two. But we are excited. So our show today, we're gonna we're gonna talk after we our main topic, we're gonna we're gonna do again what we're watching briefly, we're gonna do some more football picks. And then our guest today is Mark Comstock, the new Head girls basketball coach at Brooklyn Columbia Central. Mark is well known in southeastern Michigan for his expertise formerly with the Tecumseh Indians as an assistant as they spent some time at the Breslin Center the last two years. But anyway, let's get us into our our our our topic. And I guess what got me going on this, even to start thinking about league alignment and expansion. One is I'm experiencing it as an SEC athletic director right now. I know you are experiencing some growing pain. In the Catholic League, and then the the the Cascades Conference is just keeps you know changing almost every year. But I I was thinking about yesterday, they're talking about Big Ten. You know, there are 18 schools in the Big Ten. That's kind of funny. And then I heard the Pac-12 reference yesterday. Well, there are nine schools in the Pac-12. So what are we doing with that stuff? But let's get a name. It's like the the I-8. They I don't think they have eight anymore. And the the Big Eight, Josh: They certainly do not. Matt Seidl: the Big Eight was all over the place. They they look for and they might be back to eight or they will be next year, but they haven't been for a while. So it's just kind of an odd thing. But we're gonna start with the Southeastern Conference. Again, I let me preface this by saying I I admire all of my colleagues. the the the thirteen that I have currently in the SEC and our fourteen teen fourteen Josh: Wait a minute. All of All of Matt Seidl: Publicly all of them, yes, publicly all of them. And then Josh: All the okay, okay. Just checking. Matt Seidl: and then the thirteen new ones that are coming in, for our twenty seventeen SEC that will be in twenty seven, twenty eight. I all these people are are great professionals, some of them are close friends, some of them are are just professional colleagues and so forth. So I have nothing against them. I I publicly have said this to anybody that will listen. I think the SEC expansion to twenty seventeens in the twenty seven, twenty eight season is a big move. State. I I mean Pinkney was one of two schools of the 14 that voted against it. Originally the vote was nine to five for the expansion and they didn't have enough votes to do the change. After some backroom politics, it became 12 to 2, with Dexter and Pinckney voting no, but that was enough to approve the expansion. So again, in 27-28, we're adding we're adding 12 KLAA schools and Jackson Northwest from the the I-7, I-whatever, I-8, whatever they're called over there, and that's going to give us 27. I my pro my issue is being the smallest school in the conference, it does nothing for us. We are in a we're going to be in an eight-team white division with three other divisions. don't really know the benefits for any of us in the white division, the eight smaller schools. There's no really no benefit at all. There's a couple of sports that maybe some cross Crossovers that are needed like in a sport like field hockey, which I I should say that is a pro for us because we're not even in the SEC in field hockey right now. But overall I just I'm not feeling it and I've got multiple reasons. But I'm curious what you think as an outsider to the SEC, even though you're never too far from it. What were your thoughts when you heard about this expansion? Josh: Well, I I think there's a couple of things. One, I I don't necessarily understand the purpose of it. Like why why did we need to do this or why did you guys need to do this? so I guess the first question i is what are the benefits? Matt Seidl: The benefits were Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: to protect the interest of the bigger schools in the current SEC, the Ann Arbors, the Celine, Really, those four to be honest. Dexter was not even for this thing, and Bedford and Monroe Monroe was the one that had left and now they're coming back. and also the six schools that remained in the one K LAA division. Novi and Northfield are going elsewhere. They took their ball and are going to the O Oakland League. But Josh: I s yeah, I saw that. And and it's so going back to you just mentioned Monroe, they're really not coming back. I mean, I saw that they're in the gold division with teams that make sense geographically, so that makes sense. I mean, they're not coming back to the old SEC. so this is all really about the Ann Arbor Celine. Matt Seidl: Well, a and again, the it was being pushed really hard by the K L A. I used to think that that division of the three Livingston County schools, the three Plymouth schools, and the two n the Novae Northville's of the world, that eight team division was the cool Josh: Great league. Matt Seidl: the coolest one in the entire state. Novae obviously in Northville decided to go elsewhere. I really you know, for the t three Livingstons and the three Plymouths, they they I think they they accept their their brothers and sisters from the the other division, but that's not their comfort zone. Their comfort zone probably are more like the three Ann Arbor's and Celine, and that's why they pushed really hard to go to this 2017. W my point is let's just cut the white division right out and just make the white division its own conference because Josh: Right. Matt Seidl: w we're promised supposedly no forced crossovers. We'll see how that rolls in about two or three years when things start getting you know different in the in the voice voices become or the s the shift of power starts to come into effect. I don't know that I'll be still an athletic director at that point, but I'm I'm really fearful that it's not going to be exactly what people think it's going to be, that's for sure. So Josh: Well and so essentially they're also protecting based on what you're saying, they're really protecting Brighton, Heartland and Howell as well, because they're such big schools in an area where there are no other big schools. So really they need this. They really need the three Plymouth schools. They really do. And if Novi and Northville are leaving, the merger needed to happen possibly. I mean, I I think that's another way to look at it. But you mentioned the two divisions of six. So as an A D, and I gotta ask you this because I don't know the answer, but I can imagine this is a like football nightmare. You now have five league games in the blue and the red division. So you have to go out and find four non-league football games. Is that do you have some promises to play the red? Do you have to go out and find four? Because that could be a nightmare to do. And even in the gold and the white division, you only have six league games. You got to go out and find three. So my question is is like I I we we both know usually football drives all this. It doesn't look like it did in this case, but what's that gonna look like as an A D trying to find football games? Matt Seidl: Well, th I mean there's some drafts of every sport and i and that's the other thing. Twenty eight and all the new ideas, it's mind boggling. It's we we put more on our plate than any of us really needed. I know, at least speaking for myself. The the the blue and the red divisions, that's the you know, the the big schools in the SEC and the the Livingston County Plymouth conglomerate over in the K L A, those two divisions are gonna have They're gonna interact with each other quite a bit. And I have not looked at the final draft of the football schedule for those divisions yet. I think there's gonna be some crossovers. It's not gonna be they're not crossing all the way over, but so they're you know five league games and maybe there is gonna be a crossover each year and it'll be a different one. I could I might be misspeaking on that one. But again, they're trying the blue and red are gonna align themselves and do a lot of things together. Josh: That makes sense. It makes sense geographically. Yeah. Matt Seidl: The pro the problem the problem is yeah, the problem is the gold and the white divisions are not compatible. There's nothing we have nothing in common with the Josh: No. No. Matt Seidl: gold division. But in some sports, they are going to put us, the us being the white and the gold division, in some, you know, tournament play and some crossovers. Again, I have no problem with anything. I l I look at the list of them. We do some things with those schools. Heck, we played Bell Bell in tennis this year. you know, we've never done that before. And so it is kind of cool to have that. But we could have done that with a non league it was a non-leaguer anyway. The gold white not a natural fit together. The blue and the red is. But and and that's where that's where it all comes down to. The blue and the red could be their own twelve team conference. And just you know almost like how the Cascades operated. Right. Josh: And that would be a and that would be a great conference that makes sense school size-wise Matt Seidl: Right. Josh: and geographically. It it well, I take that back. You gotta take Bedford out of there. I mean, you have Bedford traveling to Heartland and to Howell and to Brighton. That's that's a great drive. I mean, how about yeah, Matt Seidl: Yeah. Josh: I mean, it's a simple switch. Bedford should be in the gold geographically. I mean, with the Monroe's, the John Glenn's, the Fortsons, the Dearborns, you know, and and to me, you You know, I'm sorry, Ipsy Lincoln, but it's time to step it up, couldn't beat up on the white division. Ipsy Lincoln should be in that red division with Dexter, Huron, Pioneer, Celine, Skyline, and geographically they fit better with the blue. Matt Seidl: Well, Lincoln's an interesting glue piece in all of this. They really want, you know, Chris Westfall, good good smart guy. He really wanted this expansion. He's a one of the guys really pushing even behind the scenes. But Lincoln can play both ends of this thing. When Lincoln's good and big, they can they could be in one of the other divisions. When they are struggling in certain sports, they come down to the white 'cause that's where they are right now. I mean they're they're as big as Dexter. And Dexter Josh: Right. Yeah. Matt Seidl: is going through its its glory years right now, but is that gonna gonna last forever. I mean Mike Bavanaugh's smart enough to realize that it it can change in a in a second. And then all of a sudden Dexter is not really where they belong because Dexter's enrollment is much less than people realize. So I don't know. Like I said, I I also when you're one of fourteen schools in a meeting, one of fourteen athletic directors in a meeting, you already have a a small voice, especially when you're the new guy, but not that I ever have a really small voice, but I try to just sit and listen for a year or two and then maybe start interjecting. Josh: Wait a minute, wait Matt Seidl: I I do listen. I I I listen. I pretend to listen. So Josh: a minute, hold on. You listen? I I don't know. I mean you you I was gonna say you pretend to listen. I I I mean I Matt Seidl: But when you're when you're one of twenty seven, it's you have you have zero voice. Like you l let's just face it, especially when you are th th the school with the least enrollment in the conference. People nod their head respectfully when you speak. I don't think they really care what you're saying. So and and again, that's just human nature and you gotta as A D's you fight for your own school. You try to do what's best for you. What's best for Pinkney was not this expansion. What's best for Penney is let's have this white division just break away and be our own conference. It's not going to happen any time soon. And heck, we had we had a s you know, we had we had a school we had a school that's in the white division that as soon as this expansion became like r a reality, they an they announced to the conference that they were actually seeking membership into another conference. So it was like what do we do what what denying or yeah, it was a comfort. And and I Josh: La wait, let me guess. And and you have not told me this, but let me guess, Tecumsey. I mean it I mean every year. I mean, listen, I we love we love the Zayjax, friends of the podcast, actually friends in life, but they have applied to go to every league in Southeast Matt Seidl: Ha ha Josh: Michigan for the last ten years. And I mean, in their non league schedules in sports, I mean, it is the hostess of non league schedules. I mean Cupcake City, baby. Matt Seidl: Well, nobody wants to come see right now, especially like, you know, with with the the the Zajak girls coming through in volleyball and basketball, even though those just two sports. But heck their football team is really good this year too. They've done a great job over there. Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: but it's just, you know, and and and John again he he's gonna he's trying to make decisions what's best for it to come see. He's not necessarily worried about Pinkney or Ypsilani or Wayne Memorial or whatever. So I I totally understand. If there was a better league for us, we would politely say C S E C we would go too, but there isn't. Josh: Yeah. No, I get that, but there Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Josh: there isn't a better league for them. I mean, it let's be honest, they're playing Chelsea right down the road, Lincoln right down the road, Adrian, Pinkney, Ipsy, Tecumseh is exactly where they should be. Now, if they get forced into playing non-league or crossovers, I get that then. That's different. But if if they're just playing in the white division, they're exactly where they should be. They should not be playing with Sand Creek and and Adrian Madison and Hillsdale and schools like that. Matt Seidl: I think they're a good fit too. although the you know, they didn't now have two trips to Jackson, they have to come to Pinkney. I mean Adrian's close for them, but other than that they do have some travel. But I mean look look at Pinkney has some travel too. But it is what it is, you know, and we just kind of accept Josh: I nobody can talk to me about travel. Let me just say that. Yeah. Matt Seidl: yeah. Yeah. Well speaking of that, let's get into our we're gonna examine three leagues today. One was the SEC. Let's look at the the the Catholic League, which I'm not even sure why it's called the Catholic League. Isn't Country Day and Green Hills in the Catholic League? What what is that? What are we doing here? Yeah, thank well Josh: Yeah, it's it's le we should be called the private school league, but Matt Seidl: really, or the club league, the you know, or whatever we wanna call it. But so was I. S so so was I. Josh: jeez. You know, I was very cordial on the first podcast because we needed to get off to a soft start. But but let but let's be honest. I mean, in you know, we're gonna talk about this later when we talk about our football picks, but there are a lot of public schools that are recruiting and getting more transfers than any private school, but I I'll leave that for another podcast. But the Catholic League adds country day this year. we we're gonna add Monroe St. Mary's Catholic Central next year, which I am still in shock that that's happening. They've been a part of an eight team league for as long as I can remember. even being the only Catholic school in that league, they're well accepted, appreciated, all those things. And they have half or less than half of the enrollment of most of those schools, sometimes a quarter of the enrollment of a lot of those schools in there. And geographically they're placed right in the middle of that league. So I'm a little shocked they're leaving, but obviously we're glad to have them. They have great administration, great coaches, great tradition there. So that'll be a good addition. Matt Seidl: I interesting by the way that Lumen Christie leaves an all other than themselves an all public league and goes to the Catholic League and then not not too long after Monroe St. Mary does the exact same thing. Hmm, I wonder what the what the problem is. But anyway, I'm gonna we'll leave that. I I don't know either. I don't know either. Josh: I don't know what the problem is either. We we I I mean, I I don't get it, but we'll we'll again. yeah, yeah. Matt Seidl: That was a r that was a rhetorical question by the way, but if you need me to explain it we're we'll move on. Anyway, keep keep going on the Catholic League. Josh: So and then Lutheran Northwest left again, not a Catholic school as well. Lutheran Northwest, though, left our league to go to a public league. So it which made more sense for them geographically. the Catholic League obviously the competition is next level and it's incredibly organized and well run. And I said that last week. I don't need to go back to that. You know, and this is a basketball podcast. We've been talking a lot of more almost football type thing. But with basketball in the Catholic League, our top division, the elite of the elite, you know, they only have to play each other once, but the other divisions have to play each other twice, which I'm not in favor of. And I've said that publicly. the coaches in the league in my division agree with me. We've tried to convince people to make changes that hasn't happened. So for instance, We could play up to three teams in our league three times in a season. And that has happened the last two years. and then in our case, two years ago, we played Riverview Gay Richard, the by the way, the team that won the state title. We played them four times in one year. And that also happened to FGR and Divine Child. And again, it just it's too much. What we shouldn't be playing. a team four times in a season. So I you know, I think you could either blame the double round robin, which I really don't want to blame that because I think any good league, everybody plays each other twice. I believe that. To decide a real league champion should play each other twice. My issue is the league tournament is so after playing each other twice, then we go play in a league tournament where now we're playing, like I said, up to three teams for the third time and and then you could play somebody else again. And that could happen to us again this year, by the way. We we could play Loyola four times this year. Matt Seidl: W once at the Brussels, maybe, or quarterfinals or okay. okay. Re okay. All Josh: before that. But yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: right. Yeah, I mean you you get you know, and then we didn't even we haven't even talked about the travel that the Catholic League presents. I mean you you you complain about it, which rightfully so all the time. I mean Tuesday trips into traffic taking well over an hour, not getting any fan base to follow because of the logistics. I mean it's not ideal. now, nobody wants you in the their league. So it is you made a comment last yeah, why you know, why don't we why don't more teams want to play us? Wha wh why do you think, Josh? But anyway. the travel's gotta wear on ya. Josh: Well and and I I love that you brought up the other point because you know I had somebody say to me last year, wow, it's too bad you guys don't get better home crowds. Well, first off, the schools were playing. are not rivalries there yet. It's our only our third year in the league. And then on top of it Their fan bases are not traveling. So I mean Lum and Christie, we're the outlier distance wise. So when we play a country day or a divine child and or Detroit Loyola, you know, the the better teams in our league, they're only bringing their parents. Or we play Cranbrook. They're only bringing their parents. so you know it and again our students, they want us to play the Northwest, the Jackson High, the local schools, which I wanna do too and we're we're doing. But yeah, it it is it's tough. Matt Seidl: Yeah. Well, you know, it's so the Catholic League, I mean, is they have different issues because again, because of how good some of these teams are, they're not welcome, let's face it, into the the the local public school league. The Cascades, you guys would be a perfect fit, you know, right, l in terms of geography wise, into the Cascade Conference. Ain't no way the Cascades is letting you in. Like it's just not happening. especially when you know all of their best players end up at your school at some point anyway. Like you know, anyway, that's another thing. But the Cascade, let's let's shift to the Cascades. I know, you roll your eyes. I I just wanted to see if you're awake. But Cascades Conference, that's the one and I want to focus on the basketball part here. They're interesting. They had eight schools forever, the perfect league, right? Everybody within a sh- I mean you could almost throw a rock to your neighbor's school. Like you could you could ride a bike to To the game. It was crazy. fall of twenty-three, they add four schools. Columbia Central from the LCAA, and then they get Leslie from the old GLAC, which by the way was a cool league. I remember that league. And Jonesville and Homer. So now they're up to twelve, so they go quickly to two six team divisions. And they had some growing pains in how they're going to schedule. This fall, two teams leave. East Jackson and Homer. Homer says, nah, not really what we want to be. And they're going back, they're going. Josh: What how long was Homer there? Matt Seidl: Two years? Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: Yeah. Yes, it didn't didn't work out well for Homer. East Jackson, I think they wanna be more competitive. They figure the the Big Eight is the way to go. So they're leaving. So now they're now they're at that weird number of ten. So this year, like in basketball, they're playing everybody twice. They have eighteen conference games. Yeah, Josh: what a nightmare. Matt Seidl: and so it's like yeah, it's it's it's wild. and then next fall, Hillsdale from the L CAA and Stockbridge from formerly of the Glack, currently in the big eight, are coming in. They're gonna go Back to the 12 team, two, six-team divisions, which is not bad. And the SEC had that for the longest time. There's so many different ways to do it. They are looking at Derek was telling me that they have a ton of conversation going on right now how they're going to run their basketball schedule once they get back to 12 teams. And you know, whether it's you know it used to be the play everybody in your division once or twice, play everybody in the other division once, so there's Josh: Make sense? Matt Seidl: there's sixteen games. And then you have the crossover, which is i it it crowns a league champion at the end of the year. So you're you're but it's still now seventeen of your twenty two games is in conference. It's part of being in a big league. They've also they're they're examining some things where they just play everybody once and then they have a tournament at the end, like the top eight are in a tournament, Josh: Like that. Matt Seidl: and the other four do around Robin. So they have like right. Josh: I like that because they'd only play each other twice. I I I wouldn't like it if it was the third time. Right, yeah. Matt Seidl: Yeah, and know, the home and away just alternates every year. So they're looking at a bunch of different aspects. But they they have a nice number and and their evolution, their story is a little bit different than the SEC. I don't think they're messing up. I think they just keep They just keep trying to evolve and twelve with two sixteen divisions is fine. I think anything bigger is you're you're stretching way too far. And eight is still you know the the greatest league. You have fourteen league games in basketball. You've got eight non league games. It's you know, it's the same eight schools every year. SEC White, we could do that right now if we wanted to. Just saying. But but anyway, I d I don't know how you feel about the Cascades, but that's I I think they got a pretty cool setup and they just got some decisions to make about scheduling. Josh: I have nothing to say about the Cascades. I mean, I guess I have one thing to say. as we get closer to the season, we're gonna examine Derek's and the other Cascade basketball coaches' non-league schedules and see if they're actually playing anybody with a heartbeat this year. But besides that, I have nothing to say about the Cascades. Matt Seidl: You mean nobody will play you anymore? You mean hand o okay. Josh: No, I'm not talking about that. I mean w in general the Cascades doesn't play anybody non league. But like I said, we'll we'll examine that as we get closer. Matt Seidl: Well, they they you know, they get to they just wait for the district and then they you know, they draw Loom and Christie in a district game. That's and this it's always fun for, you know, a team. Josh: Well maybe if they scheduled tougher they'd be ready for us. We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying. That's right, absolutely. Matt Seidl: that's all it would take. That's that's how we solve the club versus community thing. Just schedule it up. Get better, baby. Get better. Okay. Is your last name O'Dowd or Long? Or is it or is it Trope? Okay, just checking. Anyway. all right. I I I told you I was gonna drop some names eventually. So all right, I think that that's good stuff. There's so we could go on forever on this topic, but Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: it's it it is it is relevant in our area right now. So that is the end of our first quarter. We're gonna move to our second quarter, and that again. Again is a a little segment called What We're Watching. so we had a couple of good takes last week. Josh, what what are you watching right now? What what's what's catching your eye? Josh: Well, I'll tell you what, that first quarter had a ton of fouls in it and it lasted forever. So we gotta make sure we had a short second quarter, kind of like a running clock when a superior team beats another team with you know soundly. But we won't get into Matt Seidl: We can do that. We can do that. Josh: that right now. but I I will just tell you one thing that I'm watching in instead of more, and that was the NFL and how awful it has been to this point. And I am hopeful that it gets better today. I am. I I'm a fan, but it was Brutally bad on Wednesday and Thursday of this week. the Seattle Patriots game, you know, Sam Darnold gets hurt on the fifth play. Tate Locke comes in and quarterbacks the team. I mean, it was just a brutal game. Drake May throws three picks in the second half. I mean, makes a mistake a high school quarterback shouldn't make where you throw the ball out of bounds, take the three points, and go to overtime at the end. I mean, brutal 13 to 10 watch. And then eight Sean McVay probably should have gone to Australia a little earlier because the Rams looked Matt Seidl: huh. Josh: putrid. And that was also tough to watch. It a beautiful looking field, beautiful looking weather over there, but besides that, really bad football. And, you know, like I said, I'm a fan of the NFL. It'll never be as good as college football. and this week just kind of proved that. Matt Seidl: Yeah, everybody wants to bash on college football and then you watch that the end you know the the fourth quarter of the Texas OSU game, that changes everybody's mind. But Josh: Yep. Matt Seidl: I agree, it's it's been a it's been a rough start, but maybe those teams are just playing too early and of course, you know, I I've got the Los Angeles I got the you know the the Rams or my fantasy defense and I I just can never I always draft a defense too early because I'm I'm used to like high scoring defenses. I am. Well the problem is like Josh: You're that guy, aren't you? You like you got a you got a kicker in the third round, is that kinda how you roll or Matt Seidl: We our our League Commissioner, our League Commissioner one Derek Seidel, he's just he diminishes the value of defenses by the scoring system. I like a higher scoring system for defenses, but my defenses just I can't I can never pick the right one. But anyway, that's just another one. The one thing I'm watching, and I haven't watched it yet, but I'm going to watch it on Tuesday coming up when this podcast releases. I will have already seen it and I'll maybe have a comment about it next week. And that will be Josh Trope, Coach Trope, who I respect greatly his basketball knowledge. I respect greatly his baseball knowledge, being a former college baseball player himself. I didn't I don't always respect his football ability. And he, Josh Trope, you, young man, are an assistant eighth grade football coach at Beach Middle School, Chelsea Middle School, and will be Josh: Correct. Let's go. Matt Seidl: in Pirate Country on Tuesday, bringing in those young dogs to play the young Pathfinder Pirates. or whatever we call ourselves at the middle school level. How in the heck did you get that and what is your responsibility? Josh: Hey, so I am part of a wonderful staff. we have a Hall of Fame coach on our staff and Chris Orlandy. He kind of runs the eighth grade show, runs the offense. but just a great staff overall. There's there's eight of us that work with the seventh and eighth grade. just everybody's a good teacher, good coach, people that love kids, either work at the school or work in the community. so my role will be to work with the special teams and quite honestly, to make sure the right kids are on the field at the right time, which and those type of things. I'm looking forward to it. I'm just looking forward to working with the kids. Matt Seidl: Are you gonna be the high energy special teams coach on the sideline? Sprinting up and down. Mm. Okay. Josh: I'll I'll I'll be the get back coach. I'll be the get back coach. I'll be grabbing Coach Orlando and throwing him back when he gets all fired up and no, I'd I I will not be the hot energy coach. I will be the you know, w when ki I think I'll be the guy when everybody's complaining about playing time they're yelling at. So Matt Seidl: I'm gonna spend most of my time at the cross country meet that day, but I will try to get in and take a little video or photo and see if we can have a little fun with that. But I I'm looking forward to it for sure. So anyway, Josh: I'm sure. Matt Seidl: that's what I'm watching. So all right, that's a quick second quarter. Let's move on to the third quarter, which is our football predictions. We've got six of We are gonna reduce our NFL picks because again our podcast releases on a Thursday, but we tape on Sunday and we don't even have the results. Like we are we do have one NFL game this year week, and that's the Thursday game, which has a little local flavor to it. But let's start with our high school games and let's start with a little Jackson County special. these two teams aren't the best this year, perhaps, but they are playing each other. It's a big rivalry game. Parma Western at Jackson Northwest on Friday. Josh, what are your thoughts about those guys? Josh: Well, first off, there's no perhaps. this is my thoughts on the game. Western did win their first game of the year, they beat Jay High 20 to 12. This week is probably their only chance to win another game this year. they lost to Paw Paw 42 to 7. They lost to Harper Creek 20 to 9. and really, I looked at the rest of their schedule. This is it. If they can't beat the Mounties this week, Western's in trouble to find another win on the schedule. Northwest comes in 0-3. they've given up 33, 53, and 30 points. So I think defense is optional right now for the Mounties. I mean, maybe they're playing with nine guys or something like that. and they are 0-3 coming into it. thought Matt Seidl: Mm. Josh: they were gonna have a high-powered offense this year, and they have. I mean, they they've put up 30, 25, and 22. and They only have two possible wins left on the schedule, and that's Western this week and J High the last week. I'll say Panici does a great job with Western, holds Northwest and check maybe to 28 points, but Western They're not gonna put twenty eight points on the board, so I'm gonna go with northwest twenty eight, western seventy. Matt Seidl: Hm, okay. Wait, say that one more time? Josh: I'm sorry, Northwest twenty eight, western seventeen. Yeah. Matt Seidl: Okay, all right, gotcha. Okay. I and I you you checked all the boxes. I mean that the giving up thirty nine points a game right now on the average, although scoring twenty five for Northwest is something. I have a little bit of a feel for the level of play of Jackson high, which is the the win that Western has and in Jackson, you know, they they still have players and and they're a team that still could win some games going forward. So I think that is an impressive win. I don't know about Harper Creek. It was a competitive game with them. I'm gonna pick Western on the road in this one. any close game which, you know, it seems like those two teams when they're any sport it's pretty competitive. But I'm gonna go against you on that one and take Western on the road. So I Josh: Hey who won the Pinney Jackson game this week? Matt Seidl: That was that was Jackson. Pinkney leads at halftime, but falls thirty to twenty three. the the the Jackson ground game kind of wore him out a little bit. So but our other game and this is Celine at Dexter, the the Hornets at the Dreadnoughts. I know Celine put up sixty one on Dexter last year. I'm afraid, honestly, that it could be something close to that again. I d I I think it's gonna be another well last year's game was just back and forth. and then Celine pulled away at the end. 6134, something crazy. I could see this one also being a high scoring affair. I just don't think Dexter has the offensive firepower to match Celine, you know, touchdown for touchdown like they were last year for a while. so I'm gonna I'm gonna take Celine in this one by double digits. Josh: Okay, I I will say this. I Kyle Short, the coach at Celine, love that he breaks his season into thirds. And Matt Seidl: Mm. Okay. Josh: the first third, he talks about them being three-0. I love how he does that. As basketball coaches, we kind of do that as well, you know, break it pre-Christmas break, Christmas break, you know, pre-season league, all those things. So I really like that. I love the motto because they graduated a great senior class. Their motto this year is our time. Very cool. they got some explosive players and another great quarterback, shocker, Casey Campbell, just rolling over there. And he's got a great tailback to hand it to in Carson Cherry. So Celine, you know, they don't they don't they just reload. I mean, there's no down years in Celine. They just reload. new defensive coordinator Jesse Hoskins at Dexter has his work cut out for him this week. They held Monroe to seven and here on to 14, but I don't think they're gonna hold down Celine I do think Celine rolls. If I was Dexter, I would probably show up at the game wearing your public school state championship t-shirts, maybe feel good about the game before the route starts. Matt Seidl: Yeah, okay. All right. Let's go. Shots fired. Let's move on to the college game. Speaking of that, we got a we got some interesting matchups at the college level this week. let's start with I don't know if it's interesting. I I find it interesting because of the two coaches. But let's start with North Carolina at Clemson. I think Clemson's currently, this is, you know, again on Sunday, eight and a half point favorite in this game. What are your thoughts on that one? Josh: you know, Clemson got just routed at LSU 51 to 14. And they didn't look much better yesterday, barely beating a Georgia Southern team 22 to 7. Belichick's got North Carolina playing better than I think most of us thought. it was a big win overseas against TCU, and then they handled their business yesterday, 35-3 against East Tennessee State. I think Clemson gets the edge in this only because it's a home game. if I was a betting man, I'd stay away from the spread, but I would bet big money on the under in this one, no matter what it is. I I think first team to seventeen wins. Matt Seidl: I agree. Low scoring game. There's something about the Belichick thing, the fact that he didn't you know, I think people probably thought he was gonna be one and done after all the controversy last year and the fact that they didn't have a great year and all that. I actually I got a weird feeling that they're going to not only cover, they're gonna actually win this game outright. And it's partly they're I think they're more solid this year. I think he's got some more pieces in place, they get a little more offense if they can stay healthy. There's something about Clemson in in in know s Sweeney's been a great coach and in but he's pretty stubborn right now and and then he's they're they're just not good. Like they they were so bad against LSU and maybe maybe I mean Michigan was the same way against Western and they flipped the the switch a little bit the second week. But I'm gonna go with North Carolina close game very low scoring as you as you covered as well so all right how about this one a couple of ranked teams SMU at Louisville Louisville is a a slight favorite a week out in front of that game. Hmm I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Louisville on this one. I like the quarterback, Lincoln Keynotes I yes, Josh: Ohio State transfer, yeah. Matt Seidl: yeah, and the running back is pretty good, Brown. Two big time offenses in this game. Th this one could be fun. It's gonna be exciting. It's one of those games where you're bored and just want to lock in. I I don't know enough players on either team. I I follow the results more than anything. I think this is gonna be a fun game, but I I see Louisville pulling this one out. Josh: Yeah, I I think you nailed it. I think this is gonna be a really fun game. I mean, forty-two thirty-five, just a shootout. Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Josh: two great offenses, two great quarterbacks. Jennings for SMU is, you know, he's not really in the Heisen race, but he should be in the discussion. There's just so many big names this year, but but he's a big time player. you know, SMU put up almost six hundred yards of offense in week one against Florida State after a two and a half hour delay with power. if they didn't Matt Seidl: Right. Josh: have so many turnovers, you know, they route Florida State by Matt Seidl: Right. Josh: I don't know, twenty one. I I'm gonna go with SMU on the road here. Matt Seidl: Okay. All right. It's gonna be a good one. I I th this one slipped on me, in terms when we were picking games and you had to remind Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: me this morning that we have to we have to have this game. This would be LSU at all miss. Like it should have been our headlining game. But anyway, sorry about that. why don't you tell us what you think first? Josh: Well, I am a huge Lane Kiffin fan. I mean, I love the lane train. I I love the chaos, the I I mean, I Matt Seidl: Cour of of course you are, by the way. Just throwing out. Josh: ordered the shirt last week. I mean, are you kidding me? When I saw that at game day. I mean, he's he's the Nate Oates of football. I love him. Just like I love Nate Oates, I I love the lane train. going back to Ole Miss, I cannot imagine the scene, what it's gonna be like there. I mean, it's gonna be incredible. Probably have to pull the National Guard in there to protect them going in. but let's not forget, Ole Miss is a really good football team and a really good program. I am actually going to go, and it it's it pains me to say this, but I'm gonna go with Ole Miss at home. And the reason why is I as much as I love Lane, they are running the quarterback too much. I don't think he survives four quarters in this game. I think they have to go to the backup. I think Ole Miss wins this game and I I think this will be a shootout as well. I mean, I mean, eighty points will be scored in this game, but I'll be rooting for Lane, but my money's on Ole Miss. Matt Seidl: Well, Sam Lovett, he he was the Arizona State, but of course he got hurt last year. I don't know if he got hurt running the ball or not, but he didn't play the full season. But Josh: Correct. Matt Seidl: you're right. He is a Bryce Underwood's carrying the ball a lot for Michigan right now. It does make you nervous. I think he's just Josh: Well, it's 'cause he can't pass the ball, so you might as well run the ball. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: starting to play to his strengths a little bit, or they're playing to his strengths. The four Kiffin's got what four, maybe four transfers that he brought from Ole Miss to LSU. Some some kids, and these guys are kids, let's face it. hand. that situation poorly and then some handle it well. I just think s the mindset of some of these guys, I I think they're going to be fine. Wi Winnie Watkins, I I I got a feeling he's gonna be a difference maker in this one. But I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with LSU in again a a crazy game. Josh: I hope you're right. Matt Seidl: but I the it would they'd be a very cool game to attend just to watch. You know, just to kind of watch all the dynamics that are gonna go on, not just football. So it should be a fun one. LSU, by the way, is favored currently by two and a half. So and finally we have the the our NFL game because the Lions play on Thursday night. So the Lions are are at the Bills and the Bills currently, even though no one's played yet, the Lions haven't, is our three-point favorites in this game. I am going to take, you know what? I picked Oklahoma to beat Michigan, but then I was thrilled when Michigan won, and I'm okay with taking the L and the predictions. And so I'm going to play the same game right here. And I'm actually picking Celine right to beat to beat Dexter, even though I'm definitely pulling for the dreadnoughts. And I'm gonna I'm gonna pick the Bills even though I'm really pulling for the Lions. I'm gonna start playing this game and see if it works out. So that's what I'm going. Josh: Well, the Bills open their new stadium, so that that'll be exciting. and I do think it's to the Lions' advantage. The Bills have to play the Texans this week. I think it's a much tougher opponent than the Lions playing at home against the Saints. That being said, Lions don't have a chance. I love but this this is one of their L's on their schedule. Matt Seidl: Gotcha. Okay, well hey, that wraps up our third quarter, the football predictions. We are going to move into our fourth quarter, and that is going to be a a little time, a little conversation with Mark Comstock. Coming up. Okay, we are joined by the legend, Mark Comstock, the the new head girls basketball coach at Brooklyn Columbia Central. Congratulations, coach. That's that's a very cool gig you got going there. Marc: Well, I'm excited. It's been a a good girls basketball program. It's a it's a tradition rich program and they've had a lot of success recently and I'm excited to get going. Matt Seidl: So before we even you know, we're gonna talk about a couple other things on your resume after this, but so how did this how did this job how'd this one come about? Like what you know, I I know you you've had a few positions, you maybe have had even more than Josh and I and we've we tend to bounce around so we're not gonna judge anybody. But it I think it's kinda cool that you do it. But w how did this how did th this one come about? Marc: Well, it's an a c a little bit of an interesting story. I I pretty much had decided that unless something really ki really good came around, I didn't want to just jump back in to say I'm coaching. I could have easily stayed at at Tecumseh, but my time had kind of run its course there. for for a couple of reasons, but I really didn't think I'd be coaching this year. Christy Zajak had text me, I'd sent her a book. that I wanted her to read. And she'd text me back and it was late in June and just said, I have you found a coaching job. I said, Well I'm really not looking. I I did have a couple interviews and that kind of thing. She said, well that the job at Columbia Central just opened up. So I think it's a good situation. They've got a lot of good players that have been doing travel and and she said, you know, you know, you may want to take a look at it. So I did a little homework applied for it and went through a fairly extensive interview process to get the job. Matt Seidl: You know, in the in the real world when when your your boss kind of tells you about j other jobs that are available, that's sometimes that's not a good thing, but we gotta appreciate well we're I'm just messing with Marc: No, I you know, I was Josh: Ha ha. Marc: I was fortunate to to be with the girls at Tecumseh the last two years and and she gave me full reign over the defense. And honestly God, I I've coached, as you know, a long time. The two years at Tecumseh Girls w was as good as experience as I've ever had in coaching. And Matt Seidl: I believe it. Marc: to to to play the kind of competition that we played, to make the two runs that we made through the state tournament. And you know, to feel like I was really a part of it. Not just somebody on the bench, you know, sitting there being a consultant, but really being responsible for the defensive end of the floor. it was it was a well, all coaches want to go to the genison, let's face it. I mean, w we'd all like to take a team there and and I was fortunate to to go with them the last two years. Matt Seidl: You you just call the br you just called the Breslin the Jennison, but I mean I could I can relate to the genison, but yeah I know what you're talking about. No, that's a no that that was a great venue. so I'm Marc: Or Very well. Yeah. Yeah. Well when I when I was in school that's where I wanted to go. Josh: That that predates me, yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: I'm yeah, I hear ya. Before go go ahead. Josh: Yep. Coach go away. Matt Seidl: I I do wanna I wanna circle back to to Brooklyn a little bit though before we jump into the Cumpsy thing. But Brooklyn, again, I when I you look at on paper They have I they've won like four or five district titles in the last six years. They've they've been flirting with 20 wins most of those years and at least in the high teens. They seem to be really good to a point, but they getting over the hump, they constantly have to play like the eventual state title team in in a regional game. I is is that something that's on your mind you just want to try to sustain or is there is in your mind you've been now to the Bruxlin. you know what that feels like. And they sometimes I people probably feel they have the tank Marc: Well, they were twenty and five last year. Two of their losses was to Grass Lake, one to Loomen Christie, one to Hazlitt, who I thought their girls was as Matt Seidl: Yeah, they're good. Marc: I thought they were as good as any team in the state. And their other loss was to Michigan Center, which has a quality girls program. so a couple of people asked me, why do you want to take the job at Columbia Central? Your district's gonna have Grass Lake and Lumen Christie in it. I said, Well, okay, we don't have to beat them ten times. We only got to beat once. And if you can get out of that district, you you pretty much think you got a pretty good chance to to do something in the tournament. So Josh: Absolutely. Marc: we're gonna we're gonna try and take it to the next level. we do have a pretty good window, I think, with the current group that's there for two years. And they tell me we got a really good loaded eighth grade class. Now, I don't know much about that. I just have been told that. And so we're in a window where I think the next five or six years we can be pretty good. But We're gonna we're gonna upgrade our our scrimmages. We're gonna our schedule is very competitive. We got Parma Western in there, Niles Brandy Wine. we got Grass Lake twice. I'm not real happy that Joe we're gonna go to Tecumseh and play on this big B cam event. And we gave up our home game with Grass Lake to go play it at Tecumseh. so I'm Josh: Yeah. Marc: still happy with that. But yeah, our schedule will be tough enough and And I think if we if we prepare to to beat the best, we'll be okay. Josh: Okay. Well, you obviously I I'm thrilled that you're coaching in the girls' game because it when you were at Grass Lake I couldn't beat you. So I'm glad you're out of the boys' game. That's good for me. and because I couldn't, I decided I was gonna take you out to dinner and and have you tell me all your secrets so I had a chance. And I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and and having a few sodas with me that night. but I wanna talk about defense for a minute because when you were coaching the boys in your last run with the boys. you had your your matchup zone, you know, hybrid that nobody could figure out. And that night that we met, you told me you started as a man-to-man coach back in the day. And obviously at the Cumpsy you were running man to man. So where like where are you at now? And or is it more you're gonna look at your your where the girls are at and you know the personnel and things like that. Marc: Well, you're exactly right, Josh. I was a man-to-man guy and a fanatical. I mean, I I I I I was lucky in coach and I got started with some great coaches. I mean Hall of Fame type coaches. And I've been a man-to-man pressure guy. And then when I got when I was in the SCC with Adrian, we started playing you know, the Chelsea with Soverland and Robin Raymond and guys that just could really cope. And then we started playing all the athletic teams on the on the Ann Arbor schools and I went to the matchup to try and slow down. And I had tremendous success with the matchup at Grass Lake and other places that I've been. And then when I went to with the Thempston Girls, we played almost we might have played a half dozen possessions of the matchup, but we played man to man pressure. and stream, get after it, get out in the passing lanes. and turn people over and and that kind of thing. And w my you know I that's my big decision right now is what to do at at to Columbia Central. Two things. One, I think I think we've got enough athletics girls to play man to man pressure. But the two teams on our schedule we need to beat is Brass Lake and Loom and Christie. And as you know Josh: Correct. Marc: they got two girls that if they can get to the basket, they can really hurt your hunt. and the Lakes girl at Grass Lakes. So I think we'll probably mix in the matchup as the season goes along, but we're gonna start out probably playing man to man. Matt Seidl: Yeah, I got it. It's funny. I was on that staff with Randy Swoverlin, but I think when you when you first got to Adrian. And we knew your your history, and Randy knew your history because of all his contacts in Adrian. And you were a man to man guru and great principals and watching your teams play and they did everything right. You came on a Christmas break one year and all of a sudden you were in a zone. And it seemed like you you you were in that zone for several years after that, and we used to laugh about it. Something happened over Christmas break. I think you just explained what happened. You your mind That was we need to prepare for the teams on our schedule. But it was hilarious. The other thing I remember being on that staff with Randy, we'd look up at halftime sometimes and the score was 13 to 9, and we had run 12 sets against your whatever you want to call that. I know you don't like to call it a matchup zone. we just do that for lack of a better term. And it just couldn't, you know, couldn't figure it out. I think we had senior night when I was at Celine, and I I think we had a great first quarter and shot the heck out of it, and then got shut out in the second quarter. quarter and we're barely leading at half. That zone w that zone was tough and it was it was tough to attack and when you had the kids the kids you wanted and when they were buying into your your concepts it was it was really sticky for sure, man. Marc: Yeah, my Grasslake boys team really, really picked it up. It got really good. And in our second year, and people always thought we played slow. I didn't want to play slow, but the matchup it was hard for people to get a Matt Seidl: Yes. Marc: quick early shot against us and they had to really work at it and it it slowed the game down. And at times we had to worry about getting laid into the game. And if we were behind, that we had to get out of it. I mean, we you know, we had to pick up tempo and get things moving faster. But and Josh: But you've always Marc: and I've always wanted to be somebody different. I mean I wanted to be hard for somebody to prep for. And I think people had had trouble prepping for the matchup. And really when you play the matchup, there's only only so many things you can do. You're pretty much going to go with your zone offense, which is usually a lot simpler. And the other thing when I came when I came out of central to the high school I wanted to spend less time prepping for my opponent and spend more time with my team. And as you know, we we all get caught up. We want to run through their end out of bounds plays, their sets, their everything. And you know what? If you start taking all those minutes you spend on another team and apply them to your team, I think you might be better off in the long run. I want to coach my team. Josh: I love that. I think there's a lot of truth to what you said. there there's no question. I was smiling as you were talking because I'm thinking about the day before a game, what what the prep looks like Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Josh: for our opponent. I also want to go back to something you said about speeding up the game when you know if you got behind things like that. You've always done such a good job of that. I remember when you were at Tecumsey, you guys were a good diamond press team. I mean I I just had better players at Myland, but you're a good diamond press team. And at Grass Lake, when we got ahead, you you extended that zone to a half court trap, sped it up and things like that. So you, you know, I mean, I you you have all those things in place. I will say I I loved what also what you said is I for the majority of your season, you can be a pressure man-to-man team, but to beat the grass lakes and and the Lima Christie's, you probably gotta mix it up and things like that. You're also the reason why when people ask me like from Columbia that have reached out to me. Like, what do you think about the hire? I said, I I think it's a home run. I go, if there's anybody basketball wise that can beat Grass Lake and Luma Christie, it's Mark. He will muck it up. He will that zone will mess things up. He'll have different plans and it's no one's ever gonna outcoach you. And I think that's why Columb if I was a Columbia Central parent, I would be extremely excited about the possibilities of all the things that could happen the next few years. Marc: Well, that's that's nice of you to say that. I I'm excited. I I do you know, as a coach, I I I love thinking about my team. I mean, I know you guys are the same way. I mean, I love thinking even today, you know, you know, what are we gonna do? I haven't had a chance to even meet with I've I met with the girls this week. We're gonna get started the following week with some some workouts and that kind of thing. But you know, I I love you know, my plan was always to go into the season with a plan and then at Christmas break, if it's not working or it needs to be tweaked, take that maybe seven to ten days you've got and and make the change then because, you know, as you know you get January, February, there's your plane two, maybe three nights a week. You just don't have time to tweak it. Matt Seidl: Qu question for you about Tecumseh too. Wanna circle back to that. I mean, obviously, I'm I'm curious what you learned from that experience. You're coaching girls maybe not maybe not for the first time, but maybe for the first time after Marc: Yeah, Matt Seidl: d after doing boys. And obviously you you're you're an assistant coach when you had gotten used to being a head coach for a long time, but what what did you take away from that Tecumseh experience other than some a lot of wins and and some good relationships? Marc: Well, the passion on the girls' side just strong or stronger than on the boys side. And I coached girls just like the boys. I did we did we did the same drills. Matt Seidl: Sure. Marc: we did everything there was no change. guy took the guy told me that I'd been coaching girls this before I took the girls' job. He said, I'm gonna tell you the difference between the boys and the girls. The the boys think they know more than the coach. Girls don't think they know more than the coach. And you know, that that's really they're they're just a little more receptive to whatever the coach trying to do with them. Matt Seidl: Gotcha. switching gears, kind of jumping away from your current position and even your most recent one, you know, you you've been around high school basketball for a long time. And Josh and I, this podcast, even when we had it going right at during the pandemic, we're always looking at things that need to be changed and and getting on different pedestals and and screaming as loud as we can about it. What, if any, changes do you think would help the high school game? Marc: Well, I Once the ball is in the front court, it should never be thrown to the backcourt. When the ball's being taken out and and out of bounds, you can't throw the ball into the backcourt. That you can't do that. And if the ball if if you want to you know how we call timeout, we want to race the ball up to court. If you want to stop if you want to run it into the front court, you can't enter it into the backcourt. Now if you want to run it up and call timeout in the backcourt, we all run it up and call timeout in the front court, right? Matt Seidl: Right. Marc: You shouldn't be able to throw the ball into the backcourt. Now what does that do? It gives the defense, you know, a chance late in the game or end out of bounds play. I I can't stand to watch college basketball in Michigan State, I use them for example. They throw the ball all the way the backcourt. That's not that's not the way the game is intended to be played. Once you get the ball into the front court, it stays there or it's over and back. Josh: You know, that's a great point. I've I mean, I've never thought of it that way, but it's but you're right, but our slobs, we usually have to throw it in the backcourt. And sometimes when you can't get it in baseline out of bounds, you launch it all the way into the backcourt. Marc: Right. And I th that's not you know, once once the ball's entered the front court, if you go to the backcourt, you know, it's over and back. So I I've thrown that out. I threw that out twenty years ago at a missing high school. I was on the the board the rules. It got nowhere. Matt Seidl: No. Josh: I I know you gotta go, but I have one more question Marc: Sure. Josh: for you that I I'd like to throw at the at you real dick real quick here. going into this season, I mean, like you said, you the goal is to t to take the next step, where is that district gonna be held at? Marc: I believe it's at Lumen Christie. I I'm not a hundred I'm pretty Josh: Okay. Marc: sure it is. And you know it it it's that that's something f a long time down the road for us. But as I mentioned to the girls in our first meeting, I told them to close their eyes, close their eyes, visualize what it would look like, what it would look like if we if we raised that what it would look like for the for the student body running out on the floor and the parents looking at each other like Hey, we did it. We did it. We got we got through the district with with obviously the the the the team that's gonna be picked to win it. I mean to to visualize what's possible. And I said there's a long process between now and that time, but you know, our our goal has to be that. And and and everything we do between now and then is to get better and get to that point. Matt Seidl: Well Mark, we appreciate you having finding time to to be on the podcast. Make sure you say hello to Fred Smith for me. I got to I bumped into him. He he worked the game that we played at Brighton against Tecumseh and I got to Marc: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: talk to him for a little bit. He brought up some inappropriate stories back in the day and when I used to bring our teams to Sienna Heights every summer. But we I'm gonna leave that alone for now. But no, say hello to we again appreciate ya. Listeners, thanks for thanks for joining us again. This has been a lot of fun and we look forward to next time. Marc: All right, thanks guys. I I love being on and I know you guys are are basketball junkies and you're good for our state too. So hang in there and keep keep pushing the envelope, all right? Yeah. Matt Seidl: Thanks, man. Josh: Thanks, coach.