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How UN Women will destroy us all | HBR Talk 378 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three seventy This is
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  Speaker 1: HBr Talk three seventy eight. How you and women will
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  Speaker 1: destroy us? All I have to fuck at least one
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  Speaker 1: and I can see our chat is, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: talking about the the the foibles of women, although they
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  Speaker 1: don't realize that it's uh. They're they're discussing New York
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  Speaker 1: City's new communist mayor, but you know it is. It
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  Speaker 1: is women that vote for communism.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, hello, can I check if I'm all tobrew? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: You are all right? Good, second to go.
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  Speaker 1: But it disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just checking I again. My desktop sucked up, my
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  Speaker 2: laptop fucked up, so I'm using my phone now. And yes,
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  Speaker 2: I can confirm, uh, commun and Islam will be the
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  Speaker 2: death of you. In a pincer movement, Welcome to life
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  Speaker 2: in the UK.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It has now spread to the USA in its softest
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  Speaker 2: entry point, namely New York.
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  Speaker 1: It is no longer a red herring, guys, it is
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  Speaker 1: it is the blood of the city. I weep for
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  Speaker 1: New York. You know. It's just it's the way. It's
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  Speaker 1: the way women vote. And I think in New York
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  Speaker 1: you do have a lot more women and other feminists,
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  Speaker 1: male feminists, and and you know, most most of the
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  Speaker 1: left wing is feminists. Either they acknowledge it or they're
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  Speaker 1: like the Fifth Wave. Yeah, the fourth Wave, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their thing was not all feminists are like that, We're
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  Speaker 1: the good wave, We're the nice wave, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: fifth wave. You know, like the fourth Wave was, that's
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  Speaker 1: not my feminism, that all that horrible stuff. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not what happened. That's not my feminism. That's not
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  Speaker 1: real feminism.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, the the fifth wave is I but I believe
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  Speaker 1: everything feminists believe, and I say everything feminists say, and
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  Speaker 1: I am uh in lockstep on every issue with feminist.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm totally not one. And I've run into several
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  Speaker 1: of them, and they they are absolutely infuriating. And some
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  Speaker 1: of them are presenting themselves as uh sort of traditionalist
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  Speaker 1: bordering on m r A without realizing that we're not traditionalist,
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  Speaker 1: not not as a movement. There may be traditionalists in
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  Speaker 1: the movement, but the movement is not traditionalist.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, there are there are. There are three things
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  Speaker 2: that I criticize more than anything else in my online presence,
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  Speaker 2: and they are feminism, leftism, and Islam and and some
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  Speaker 2: and some may wonder how those things connected, but I
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  Speaker 2: hope at this point you can see how they are
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  Speaker 2: counterintuitively connected. And I won't even mention the fourth thing,
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  Speaker 2: which is dark people, because that's going to piss people off,
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  Speaker 2: as it always.
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  Speaker 3: You always pissed people off with the dog babe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna that's That's not what we're here to
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  Speaker 2: talk about.
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  Speaker 1: So the Canine Nights, that's horrible. Even that was really good.
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  Speaker 1: But in any case, yes, and yeah, people are talking
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  Speaker 1: about the waves now, can't keep track of the waves. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is what happens, right, You have sex
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  Speaker 1: positive feminism and they they put a giant vibrator in
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  Speaker 1: the waters of feminist movement. And so now the waves
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  Speaker 1: are I mean harder, faster, and well weaker. Really, the
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  Speaker 1: the the last two waves were pretty pretty weak. I'm
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  Speaker 1: almost anticipating you know that the sixth wave of feminism
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  Speaker 1: will be the death of the movement, but we'll see
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  Speaker 1: what happens. They may turn around and like the sixth
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  Speaker 1: wave will be a return to radical feminism being the
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  Speaker 1: mainstream of feminism. And then then you know, we'll we'll
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  Speaker 1: see more violence. But it just depends. It depends on
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  Speaker 1: how Jen Alpha looks at at the isms and the
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  Speaker 1: phobias and in particular all of the iterations of communism
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  Speaker 1: that are being taught in their public school system. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: murder of crows, they're there is something akin to an undertow,
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  Speaker 1: but as New York has has just demonstrated to us,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually a camel toe.
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  Speaker 3: A camel tooe.
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  Speaker 4: God damn it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it hit the puns right out of my mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Hand us.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, can't help it. It's it's in my blood, not
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  Speaker 1: the camel toe. The puns like that would be bad.
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  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you know, humorous side, we have
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the serious issue of you and women
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  Speaker 1: and there I don't know, their war there's ghot against
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  Speaker 1: the men's rights movement because they definitely have decided we
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  Speaker 1: must go. And last couple of weeks we were looking
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  Speaker 1: at this, we very far in it and part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason for that is that what we are dealing
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  Speaker 1: with is a gish gallop, and I've I've run into
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  Speaker 1: those before. Years ago, during the gamer Gate controversy, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: Leonna Kurzner published a gish gallop against the men's rights movement,
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  Speaker 1: how how much she hated the men's rights movement, and
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing was a giant straum man. So it
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  Speaker 1: was I haven't heard in forever. Yeah, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: usually discuss her because you know, I'm not. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have anything nice to say about her, So like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's that's pretty much the extent of it. Like
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  Speaker 1: I generally don't, but a gish gallop.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, you might wonder why there's no men's
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  Speaker 2: rights movement in the Muslim world, and I suppose the
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  Speaker 2: answer is because, well, of all places, I mean in
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  Speaker 2: the in the Muslim world, men already have all the rights,
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  Speaker 2: even more than in the West, where were where we
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  Speaker 2: in the themisphere insists that men have all the rights
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  Speaker 2: as well. But it's even more the case in the
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  Speaker 2: Muslim world, right even though we're not allowed to say that,
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  Speaker 2: but we do, but we do say that whenever it
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  Speaker 2: comes up but if, if, if, if the Islaming well
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  Speaker 2: was truly a patriarchy, it would have a men's rights movement.
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  Speaker 2: It would have nothing, It would have nothing but a
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  Speaker 2: men's rights movement where they continue to advance men's rights.
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  Speaker 2: But they don't, I mean, they don't have much of
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  Speaker 2: a women's rights movement. Well they do, I mean in
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  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia they recently allowed women to drive, which can
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  Speaker 2: only be as a result of some kind of women's
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  Speaker 2: rights movement, But they don't have.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly in fact, you know, and this is something that
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  Speaker 1: I've pissed off a number of feminists by pointing out.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, if you are a lesbian, they don't
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  Speaker 1: throw you off the top of the building, but if
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  Speaker 1: you are a gay man, they do, or they execute
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  Speaker 1: you in some other way in various states that are
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  Speaker 1: run by Shuria law. There are numerous other things that
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  Speaker 1: they do to men that they don't do to women.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, men are if you're not married and you're male,
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  Speaker 1: they're definitely going to rope you into military service. There's
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  Speaker 1: no getting out of that. You will be bottom rung.
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  Speaker 1: You're unimportant because you're not producing children, and therefore your
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  Speaker 1: cannon fodder, or you're in the dirtiest of jobs, the
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  Speaker 1: dangerous jobs, the nasty jobs. Whatever. If you're female and
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  Speaker 1: you're not married and not having babies, they find a
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  Speaker 1: way to get you married and having babies, which really
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  Speaker 1: isn't anywhere near as dangerous as being in military service
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  Speaker 1: in war torn nations that are all at odds with
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  Speaker 1: the biggest warmonger in the world, which is the United States,
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  Speaker 1: And so we end up, you know, we look at
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  Speaker 1: Islam sometimes through a guynocentric filter from the West, because
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  Speaker 1: we're it's so ingrained here that it's almost impossible to
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  Speaker 1: completely remove it. It's almost like you're born with a
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  Speaker 1: set of goggles, a pair of rose colored glasses that
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  Speaker 1: sees everything through that pink filter and ignores all of
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  Speaker 1: the bad that happens to men. Thinks of it as normal. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's just the way things are for men. You know,
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  Speaker 1: these are necessary evils, but we don't have to also
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  Speaker 1: do them to women. Blah blah blah, right, a similar fact,
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  Speaker 1: when in fact we don't really have to do them
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  Speaker 1: to men either.
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  Speaker 2: As similar thing to what goes on in the Third World,
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  Speaker 2: especially the work goes on in what is often stereotyped
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  Speaker 2: as as the as the right wing red states of
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  Speaker 2: of of the South of the U s A. And
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  Speaker 2: even what goes on in in in the in the
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  Speaker 2: working class sticks of European countries, where if if you if,
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  Speaker 2: if two women are seen kissing each other in public,
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to get stabbed, They're not going to
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  Speaker 2: get beaten and dragged by a truck across the wilderness.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they might get the occasional Karen coming up
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  Speaker 2: to them and saying, but yeah, if two men are
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  Speaker 2: pictured kissing each other in any of these stereotypical, stereotypically
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  Speaker 2: right wing parts of the West, yeah they actually they
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  Speaker 2: risk being objected to all this bullshit, And yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: as intuitive as it seems that the same thing goes
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  Speaker 2: on in the Third world, and especially the Muslim world.
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  Speaker 2: People just can't get their heads around it, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the same thing goes on across pretty much the entire planet.
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  Speaker 2: Men loving each other is a hideous crime, punishable by
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  Speaker 2: anything from stigmatization to death. But women loving each other
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  Speaker 2: is like, well, yeah, sure, I mean, why wouldn't women
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  Speaker 2: love each other? I mean, everyone else loves them, Why
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't they love each other? I mean, we'd we'd rather
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  Speaker 2: they contribute to society in some way, such as producing children.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if they really want to. We're not going
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  Speaker 2: to push you that to We're not going to stone
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  Speaker 2: you to death if you refuse to produce children. But if, if,
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  Speaker 2: if men love each other in a way that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: produce children, oh yeah, we'll fucking kill you, or at
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  Speaker 2: least will we'll throw stones at you, or at least
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  Speaker 2: will you know, will hassle you as much as we
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  Speaker 2: possibly can. So yeah, so many of us, even in
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  Speaker 2: the sensible right wing, we'll do anything they can to
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  Speaker 2: stop men loving each other at any scale, like even
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  Speaker 2: even at at the platonic scale. Like men can't hold
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  Speaker 2: hands anymore, even even a hundred years ago, a couple
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  Speaker 2: of hundred years ago, is definitely know for men to
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  Speaker 2: hold hands. And that changed. It had a lot to
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  Speaker 2: do with the Oscar Wild Trial, at least in Britain.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, in the last couple of hundred years, especially
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  Speaker 2: since the advent of you know, political guyn of centrism,
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  Speaker 2: which we call feminism, men can't even hold hands anymore
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  Speaker 2: because that's considered gay, but is considered degenerate in a way.
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  Speaker 2: That women holding hands isn't like, why is that women
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  Speaker 2: can hold hands but men can't hold hands. There's nothing
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  Speaker 2: sexual about it. It's friendship. It's failiures, as the Greeks
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  Speaker 2: would call it. It's not eros, it's well it's a
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  Speaker 2: gape and it's you know, to some degrees. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just illustrating that this is something the
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  Speaker 2: West and the East and the Middle East all have
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  Speaker 2: in common, even though it's at very different scales. But
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's much the same like men loving
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  Speaker 2: each other for any reason, for any definition of love,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's friendship, even if it's companionship, like it's
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  Speaker 2: all stigmatized. Like we're not that different. Well, in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways, our cultures are very different, like I
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  Speaker 2: said in the in the way these these crimes are punished,
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  Speaker 2: but there's they're still considered crimes in all sorts of ways.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, homosexuality between men isn't punished in the West,
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  Speaker 2: but men advocating for each other's rights very much is punished. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's great irony. If I if I stood
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  Speaker 2: up here in Britain and said I love men, everyone
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  Speaker 2: would cheer for me, because they assume that means that
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  Speaker 2: I like to fuck men in their ass or get
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  Speaker 2: fucked in my ass by men. But if I then
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  Speaker 2: clarified that when I say I love men, I mean
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  Speaker 2: I advocate for their rights, I'd get chased out of town.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not gay. That's that's not gay, that's not
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  Speaker 2: what it's considered homosexual lenity ways, it's just men sticking
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  Speaker 2: up for each other's rights, which is why it pisses
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  Speaker 2: me off that so many people are like blaming all
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  Speaker 2: of this ship on on on people going too far
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  Speaker 2: with human rights and they're giving too many human rights
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  Speaker 2: to immigrants and whatnot. No, the the problem is that
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  Speaker 2: human rights are being are only being given two to
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  Speaker 2: the client class, to to the to the approved regions
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  Speaker 2: of the progressive stack. Like men fucking each other absolutely fine.
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  Speaker 2: Men supporting each other's human rights absolutely not. We will
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  Speaker 2: destroy you.
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  Speaker 1: And also women have to take it over and control it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: even men's sheds. If you look in on you know,
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  Speaker 1: like there's there's been several different iterations of how can
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  Speaker 1: men help other men handle difficult circumstances? Didn't men men's
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  Speaker 1: mental health? Men's uh stress situations. You know, the the
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  Speaker 1: difficulty of balancing work and family and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the the stress over getting the bills paid over you know,
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  Speaker 1: all of the different difficulties that men face in life. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the responsibilities that men face in life that very often
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  Speaker 1: women really don't unless they decide to live their whole
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  Speaker 1: life without a man. And even then, if they have
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  Speaker 1: kids and they don't have a husband, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times they qualify for assistance from the government, so they
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  Speaker 1: still have a man in their life. In fact, they
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  Speaker 1: have half of you know, three hundred some thousand men
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  Speaker 1: in their lives. And so it's not something that really
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  Speaker 1: women are aware of the degree of loneliness and like
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  Speaker 1: the ability of life to just pull a rug out
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  Speaker 1: from under you and there's nothing underneath living without a
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  Speaker 1: safety net, right, unless you create your own by having
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  Speaker 1: contingency plans in place and having them be actually workable
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  Speaker 1: contingency plans. And some guys are not even in a
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  Speaker 1: position to have that. They're barely keeping their heads above water, right,
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  Speaker 1: and some of them aren't, many of them aren't. Most
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  Speaker 1: of the people who are not keeping their heads above
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  Speaker 1: water to the degree that they have no place to
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  Speaker 1: live for instance, are men. And nine percent of the
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  Speaker 1: ones that don't get help from anyone anywhere that are
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  Speaker 1: completely unsheltered, they get stepped over in the street, arrested maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but otherwise not helped at all, are men. So it's
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  Speaker 1: something that women don't have a real solid picture of.
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  Speaker 1: Most women think, what would happen if I go broke?
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, I'll apply for welfare benefits. What happens if
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  Speaker 1: I go broke? I'll go to my family for help.
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  Speaker 1: What happens if I go broke? We'll start posting titty
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  Speaker 1: pictures on OnlyFans, you know, and for six dollars a month,
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  Speaker 1: like the average, but or whatever. A lot of times
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  Speaker 1: men just don't have that option, even if they're young.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have that option even not even and those
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  Speaker 1: that do, you know, end up in in worse trouble. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the perspective is, the perspective is very different, right, So
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  Speaker 1: it takes men to understand what other men are going through.
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  Speaker 1: You can't get the mentality of I fully understand this
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  Speaker 1: life without a safety net right where where you the
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  Speaker 1: rug is pulled out from under you and there is
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  Speaker 1: nothing underneath, and you just keep falling and rock bottom
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  Speaker 1: is not the bottom. Like, only only guys really understand that,
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  Speaker 1: m hmm, And only guys can really help other guys
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  Speaker 1: deal with I have to be able to live every
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  Speaker 1: day of my life and do normal things and exist
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  Speaker 1: with that looming behind me. Women women can't help men
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  Speaker 1: with that. When women are faced with that, they turn
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  Speaker 1: to a man for support. They're never faced with the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: whole thing because they do turn to a man for support,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: or a lot of men for support. And they don't
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: even have to be you know, they don't have to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: be the nicest women. They don't have to be the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: prettiest women. They don't have to be there are to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: be anything that a man thinks he's going to get
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: out of it for women to actually have success in
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: getting help from men in those circumstances, right, So, men
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: have created things over the years. There's the methopoetic men's movement.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: There's been men's groups in and out of churches, men's activities,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: clubs for men, organizations for men, and so on. Women
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: have invaded every single one of them. And now the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: latest one is Men's Sheds, and it is it's never
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: going to change. Women are never going to stop doing
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that because they don't see it as imposing on a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: boundary that they should not cross. They don't recognize that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: boundary issue. So it's up to men to just say no, no,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you can't come in here. This is a therapeutic space
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: for men where men are helping other men. The theme
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: of this is men helping men. You cannot come in here.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And there has to be a way for men to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: argue within the court system that you know, women have
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: their female only spaces that they require men stay out of.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: There must be at least some spaces that women stay
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: out of for men, and but unfortunately that's not the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: case at this point, and it's taking of all of
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: all things. It's taking you know, women arguing about this
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to get people to understand that no, you cannot just
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: give in every time women ask for this. Betina Aren't
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: is one of the bigger advocates of don't let women
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: into these spaces in in the men's shed movement, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: not not the biggest, and I know that there are
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: men who have explained this before her, but at least,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you know, women might listen if another woman says leave
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: them alone and let them have a space without you
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: mhm yeah, but Gish gallop. So getting back to Gish gallup,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and I know some Christians don't like the term because
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's in reference to an actual minister, Dwayne Gish,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: who used to argue creationism against atheists. And his thing
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is he would he would make these laws arguments that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: had a whole bunch of different talking points that you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: had to knock down. So it might take him thirty
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: seconds to a minute to say fifteen things. And you
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: can't knock those things, those fifteen things down without an
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: explanation for why each one of them is wrong. That
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: might take five minutes. And the example I used when
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I was actually talking to Brian about this before the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: show started was somebody says the moon is made of
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: green cheese. Well, the evidence against that is what the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: moon is actually made of. But you can't just say
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: what the moon is actually made of. You have to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: also explain why we know that and why that knowledge
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is proof that the moon is not made of green cheese,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and also explain the way the moon would behave if
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it was made of green cheese, What would be different
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: about it than the way that it actually is Because.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Cows on the moon there are no there are no
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: mammals on the moon. Do we have to spend an
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: hour proving that, I mean, somebody, that's every for every
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: small point of guests gallup, you can find a small
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: point of retort. It just it doesn't occur to us
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: until we've thought about it for a while.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to like actual debunking, like disproving something,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: if you really want to solidly prove that that is bullshit,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you absolutely have to, uh demonstrate this is
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the actual truth. Is you know, A, B, C. And
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: here's the evidence of A. Here's the evidence of B,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: here's the evidence of C, and here's how they fit together.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And uh that that video that I was talking about
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that Kurzner made, she made a fifteen minute video. I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: think my rebuttal of that was three or four fifteen
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: minute videos. It was. It was very long, maybe even
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: longer than fifteen minutes, but it was just one long
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: gish gallop that was also a straw man of the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: movement's behaviors, talking points and so on, and so in
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: order to knock down each one, you know, again, there's
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you have you have to explain the actual truth and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: then provide evidence to back your case that that is irrefutable,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and you make an irrefutable case against each individual statement
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it takes the statement might take ten seconds to say,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in five minutes to refute. So this article is like that,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: it's a dish gallop and and so you end up,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: like in an actual debate forum, you have limited time
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to answer your opponent's statements. So they say you have
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: they have a minute, and then you have a minute,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and then they have a minute, and you have a minute.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: If they have if they make fifteen false statements in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a minute, that each one requires a you know, several
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: minute rebuttal, you're gonna end up unable to address all
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of their points. So that's why this was, this was
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: coined and it's actually been this this this fallacy has
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: been named since the nineties, so it's it's not new.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But in any case, so to the article, we got
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: through the paragraph on mental health, the paragraph on gender attitudes, uh,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the paragraph on dangerous social and dating behavior, and we
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: looked at a little bit. Uh, I think this was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the article the normal normalization of gendered hate speech, which
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: this was this was the article that it linked to,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and as I, as I showed here this was an
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: interview their uh, their their solid, their rock solid evidence
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: for that particular dish gallop was an interview in which
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a couple of women just made a bunch of allegations.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Here they made a bunch of claims and talked about uh,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: different feminist protests in history and and things that have
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: been said about feminists. But they really didn't get all into, uh,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: exactly how this is, this is mainstream and so on. Instead,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, they talked about things like criminalization of uh
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of a feminist protests and so on, without actually describing
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: what was criminalized or how so we don't know if
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the thing that was criminalized was walking down the street
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: carrying a sign, you know that said sexual violence is
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: bad or which is unlikely that that that that would
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: be criminalized, right, or throwing you know, a molotov cocktail
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: through the window of a local Catholic church because they
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: oppose abortion, which did happen in South America and churches
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: were firebombed by by feminists over the abortion controversy, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: women were arrested, and they called the arrest misogynistic, as
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: if that kind of violence doesn't usually result in an arrest,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and only women have ever been arrested for fire bombing churches.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: This is a common feminist tactic, right, they do something
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that is unacceptable when men do it. That gets men
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: jailed for years and years and years, and if they
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: are arrested, charged, convicted, and and then even just receive
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a suspended sentence. Oh the misogyny, you know, Oh, the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: discriminations we have been We've not been excluded, we've not
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: been exempted from from culpability for this thing that you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: there's the horrendous consequences when a man does it. So
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that's feminism. So we are at less safety for women
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and girls in digital spaces, you know. I yeah, I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: hate it when I go into a digital space and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I fall down the digital stairs and break my digital
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: leg or my fingers. That's very digital, right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I've lost I've lost count of how many
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: times I've been raped in digital spaces.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, virtual rape is worse than being virtually murdered. Oh god,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: it can't.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm being figurative, but in h in so
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: far as I'm being figurative, I have kind of being
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: raped in digital spaces quite a lot.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Part of his body shaming, mic.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I am I'm a raped husk of a content creator
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: in digital spaces. But you can't complain. I mean, you
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: can try, but you'll get arrested.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh so we remember, we looked a little bit
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: at their idea of online violence, and you know, it's
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it's not like there's no connection to real world violence
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: between online actual threats not threat TOIDs. Right, the difference
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: between an actual threat and a threat TOID by the way,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I have received threat TOIDs. The kind of one threat
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: TOIDs that and he is archisi and raised like half
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a million dollars on one of them was a chick
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: wished that I would be rape so I would know
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: what it was like, Like she wish that on somebody
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that knows what it's like. But and feminists, you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they have this belief that they have at least a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: twenty five percent chance that they're talking to a rape
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: victim if they're talking to a woman, right, But they
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: but she said that anyway, And another threat TOID was
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: getting docksed and having my my not just my address,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: but my address, my parents' address, the last address that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I lived in, uh, the address of a friend of
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: mine that I lived with for a while, my address
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: when I lived in Findlay, Ohio. All of that was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: published on X while on Twitter back before it was
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: X and it took them three days to take that
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: shit down. That's a threat TOID because nobody said We're
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: going to come to your house and kill you, right,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that would be a threat. Somebody saying I'm going to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: come to your house and kill you is a threat.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Somebody telling everybody where your house is is a threatoid
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: or suggesting that something bad should happen to you, but
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: not saying that they're going to do it. And the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: difference is if somebody says I'm going to come to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: your house and kill you, and they do it in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a way that indicates you know they might be serious
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and you should actually be nervous about this. That's a crime,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and you can actually file a complaint with police and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: they will take it seriously enough at least to nail
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: down whether or not you're actually in danger, and if
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you are, then there are further measures that they can
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: take that are mostly useless.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: You'd think it would be the opposite, because if someone
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: threatens to come to your house and kill you but
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: they don't know your address, then it is just pissing
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: into the wind. It's just a thought with no real consequence.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: But if someone says nothing other than here is this
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: person's address, you say, it opens the door to anyone
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: who does want to come to your house and kill you.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's worse if anything is far, far worse.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And this has happened to both of you, It's happened.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: It happened to Lauren as well. It's it's by the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: grace of God, Lauren. It's by the grace of God
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: that it has never happened to me. And I thank
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: the YouTube gods for for burying me in the algorithm
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: so deep that no one even gives a ship anymore.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's like it's it's like someone waving
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: an air sword in your direction, Like that's that's not
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: actually a threat at all, if it's just a pretend sword.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: But if someone hicks open your door and then goes
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: anyone with a real sword there you go just kick
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the doors open and and and told everyone where your
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: fucking addresses. Like that's that's that's the way worse. That's
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that's the that's the beginning of the terrorism. It's it
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: is the terrorism.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's except if somebody says they're going to do something,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you don't always know that they don't know where you live.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: That's the difficult part. Because of anonymity on the internet.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: You never know. Somebody can say they are you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: oh I'm from Australia, you know, but they're actually they
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: live in the same community that you do. Or conversely,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: they could say that they're from, you know, the same
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: neighborhood you live in, and they're actually in Europe or
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: South America and you're not. So it's it's a threat.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Is a threat, even if even if it's comical. We
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: used to have a when I when I lived with
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: my parents, there was a drug dealer living next door
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to us. It was a small time peddler of prescription pills,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: pain killers and stuff and uh, and the guy used
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to get his whole supply into donald's bag that the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: person would come up and deliver it like you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: they were bringing him his lunch. And then he would
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: turn a red light on on his porch and all
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody and their uncle came to spend
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: five minutes at his house and get a can of coke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: The the the the can of coke, of course, had no
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: nothing in it but pills. But in any case, when
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: he moved into that house and we that already had
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: an established portrait studio on that property that did indoor
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and outdoor portraits, my mom had the whole backyard designed
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to with flowers and everything be a backdrop all around
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the yard. And he decided that we weren't going to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: do that anymore. Our business was over because his business was,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: you know, not wanting to be photographed. And so one
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: day he came over and threatened to kill us all
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in our sleep. And the thing about it is, this
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: guy barely came up to my tits. And I mean,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit tall, but I'm there's women, there's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of women that are taller than me. Most
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: women aren't, but a lot are. And that's biological women,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: not trans women. I mean, obviously there are lots of
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: trans women that are taller than me, but biological women
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that there are biological women that are taller than I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: was five 'ot nine and a half at the time,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and you know, so this guy barely came up to
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: my tits. He sort of had a Sam Kennison look.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: About him ran around in a beret and everything, had
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the long jacket and all that stuff kind of cultivated
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the look and everything. But he had had throat cancer
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and he had a stoma, and he had a vocalizer,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So he didn't, you know, I'm gonna come over to
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: your house middle of night kill you all in your
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: sleep like that might have been scary, especially if he
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: was a lot bigger than than us. I think my
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: mom was bigger than him, and she was tiny. But
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: from a guy that's not very big and who is
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: on death doorstep with cancer, going through chemo and all that,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: speaking with a vocalizer, who has to look up at
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: you from underneath a beret because he's a caricature of
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Sam Kennison, I'm coming to your house in the middle
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of the night, ulating you on your sleep. Really, okay?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Did you say so? You know? But I still slept
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: out in the in the family room, blocking the back
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: door and for for two years because of that, just
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: in case somebody came in. Yeah, and with a with
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a big stick. I carry a walking stick, that is
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's not hardwood, it's pine, but I do carry
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a big stick.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to when I'm old enough to carry
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: a cane. I've always wanted to carry a cane and
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: wear a cape. I want to wear a cape and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: carry a cane that's fucking fast as ship. I'm going
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: to do that as soon as I'm able to. I'm
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: going to do it before i'm able to.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Before you get se nile, because you don't want to
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: forget and wear the cane and carry the cape. It's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: not as effective.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: You can smother someone with a cape as.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: You can and well, or you just throw it over
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: their head and punch them a bunchet times when they
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: can't see it coming. But but yeah, I'm not violent.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Unless you scare me, then then maybe a little bit.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: And and I did. I stayed. I didn't get very
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: much sleep for that whole two year period because every
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: time there and noise I woke up, it had a
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: light shining out into the backyard. So I wasn't I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't scared, but I was still cautious, and I took precautions,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, And you do that right, because you don't know. Somebody,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: even somebody on death stor step, even somebody that is
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: a caricature, could be dangerous. Even somebody that's short can
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: be very dangerous. Somebody that's weak can still be very dangerous. Right,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: women have killed men twice or more of their size.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean all it takes is a weapon
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: or or the right amount of leverage or poison.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a long history of women using poison. So
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: oh God Richard here says uh. Here in Texas, there
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: was a group of Muslims who decided to build themselves
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: a community center. And the property they chose to do
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: this was next to a pig farm. I bet they
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: hassled the pig farm, right, because pigs are considered dirty
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: animals of firemen. The throat really need.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: To use, we really need to use pigs to fight
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: back against Muslims. By the way, like people are reluctant
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: to do this because because it seems like like uh religious, Yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: it's it seems like uh using it seems like a
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: bad form to use their religion against them.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: But I believe that to it as a war crime.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Remember there was that guy that got sent to jail
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: because he put pork or like bacon on the mosque.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and put the jail in the Middle East or
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: in regions around the area, in certain soldiers have figured
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: out that if you dip bullets in pigs blood and
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: shoot Muslims with those bullets, they won't go to go
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to heaven because as soon as they come into contact
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: with pigs blood, no matter how devout you are, no
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: matter how pious you are, you're going straight to hell
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: because you've got pigs blug blood inside you. And I'm
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: not saying you should do this, but if you are
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: in the business of shooting Muslims with bullets, you might
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: as well dip them in pigs blood and let them
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: know that that's what you're going to do.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Because you don't even have to actually do it. You
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: just have to spread enough of a rumor that I
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: think you might have done it exactly right. And that's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that's something that has been done in the past. Actually,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I've I have known people who were in a desert
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: storm and desert shield who have said, oh, yeah, we
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: we did. We floated those rumors. We we did spread
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the idea that this was happening in the hope of
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: intimidating them so that they would not actually, you know,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: come our way and cause an actual firefight, because you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: they don't want to get shot with those bullets. And
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know how effective it was, but that is
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: a thing, right And and again you know, a threat
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be backed with any real intent to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: be a threat. And if you do it in person,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: like if I was standing next to you and I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: said I'm going to come over there and kick your ass,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and if you believed me that, it's enough to catch
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: a charge.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: War like like so many given armies have these superstitions,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: because so many of these armies are driven by superstitions
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: in the first place. And make no mistake, Muslims are
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: doing this to us. They're using our superstitions against us.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And our superstitions are guinescentric ones and and and and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: this sort of thing. They and you know socialist that
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: they're using our leftism against us. They're using our g
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: centrism against us because they know that's that's our Achilles heel.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: And it works. It shouldn't work. I mean, the Christians
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: shouldn't fall for this, because there is no animal that
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: is as religiously demonic to Christians as pigs and dogs
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and shrimp are to use and Muslims like you can
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: you can dip your bullets in any animal's blood and
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: we're like, I will be like, no, it's it's just
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: it's just fucking blood. It's the bullets. We don't like,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: just don't shoot us with the bullets. Yeah, but but
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: they figured out how much we fucking love women, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: they're using that ship against us. We can get over that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: There's nothing in the Christian ethos that instructs us to
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: be so fucking guynocentric. There's nothing in the liberal hyper
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: rational order that that should make us so susceptible to
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: any of these superstitions. We like to think of ourselves
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: as wholly unsuperstitious and completely rational, but we're not. We're
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: fucking that. We're the most guynocentric fucking ideology in the world.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: But but we we fall for it anyway, and it's
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: it's very easy to get over this. We just need
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: to be like, no, women aren't better than men. Fuck you,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: we got but yeah, we can't fucking do this. And
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: if we could get over that and use their superstitions
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: against them, this would be the easiest war to win.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: But we can't do that because because we because we
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: so oh no, you have to respect their superstitions and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: and we totally don't have any superstitions, but we still
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: have to respect them. The superstitions that we totally will
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: not admit exist. Like, it's you've got to navigate through
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: this fucking hypocrisy. And that's what's so difficult, because this
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: fucking hypocrisy is being held up by our mass media
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: at every fucking element. It's yes, you know, our mass
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: media and our police will fucking destroy us if we
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: say anything that diverges from from the gynocentric narrative and
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: from the like a for abic narrative. I'm just going
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to say that to be as brief as possible, but yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: we we we've really we've we've handicapped ourselves in a
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: culture war and a religion war in which in which
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: our opponents have all the necessary handicaps and all we
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: have is unnecessarily self imposed handicaps. It's like, this should
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: be so easy, but we've made it so difficult.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: The worst part is that, you know, with and it's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: not just with Islam, it's feminism is really bad about this.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: They're they don't really follow that. So Stacy Carlton has
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: pointed this out in the chat. Actually, if if you're
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Muslim and you are starving, You're permitted to eat anything
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: to stay alive, even if it's not a lot. If
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: you're shot by a bullet, somebody else put pork on
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't matter. You're not going to help
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: for that. And so the rules are in other words,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: the rules depend on whether or not it's convenient to
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: follow them. Right, and with feminism it's even worse. You know,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the idea that violence against women is is the ultimate evil,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: and anything that displeases women is violence only applies to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: women who are feminist and pro feminist. If you're a
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: non feminist women, you don't count. So you know, when
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I talked about I've I've had threat tooids. I haven't
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: had any any real serious online threats, but I've had
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: threat tooids. They didn't come from people in arguments over
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: you know, whether left wing or right wing was a
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: better direction to go, or either one being a decent direction,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you know, among men's rights movement supporters. Nope, they came
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: from feminists.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: The person who told me I should get raped so
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I would know what it was like was a feminist.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: That was an anti gamer gate feminist debater on on
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Twitter that said that to me. The person that docksed
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: a bunch of us that that that we're involved with
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: A Voice for Men was a feminist associated with David Fotrell,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the guy that wrote that, that wrote the blog Man's
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: man boobs. That is now we.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we never did hunt the mammoth. By the way,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: we found her, and that's all we ever did.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: We did find her. She's one of the marchers at
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: uh in the Women's March, tearing around a disembodied hand.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Ye, but.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I have an image this this chick. Her her whole
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: style was really bizarre. She kind of looked clownish and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: she actually was carrying around a disbodied hand. I'm not
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: quite sure what that was for. But in any case,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and she had her tits out for equality or down
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: for equality, I guess, but way down. And you know,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: my my meme that I created from that is at
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the bottom or at the top. And why doesn't anyone
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: and at the bottom take me seriously? Because but in
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: any case, yeah, none of that, none of that ever
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: seems to come from the people that are accused of
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: being violent toward women or intimidating women online. Right when
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I when I experienced that kind of stuff, when when
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: we and the men's rights experience, men's rights community experience
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's from feminists, including feminist men.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Some of the most aggressive behavior that I've received online, uh,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: came from a feminist man who was trying to get
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: me banned. He got himself banned. Trying to get me
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: banned because he wasn't very bright. Is a total dipshit. Actually, like,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: the closest thing I've had from a to a threat
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: coming from within the men's rights movement was Karen telling
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: me she was gonna take my arms off and beat
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: me with him if I made any more puns in
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: her presence, which is her thing that she loves me.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I will take that as a serious threat, ma'am.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but no, no, no, no, no,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that is that is that is Karen's love language threatening
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I haven't lived until you've been threatened with death by Karen. Yes,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the original Karen.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: H But in any case, according to you and women,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: because of the men's rights movement, there is less safety
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: for women and girls in digital spaces. And this is
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: what they have to say about it. All right, attitudes
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: and behaviors promoted in the manisphere are making online spaces
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: more hostile, for example, And then then they completely skip
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: over again those of us advocating for two process rights,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: father's rights and stuff like that, and went after those
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: of us that were involved on the consumer side of
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the Gamergate controversy. Gamergate was a harassment campaign in which
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: female gamers were targeted by oh right, male supremacists.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: My god, And you know what really pisses me off
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: about this is that, you know, there's I mean, of
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: course we all know that this is just the mo right,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: but like so so female gamers or any less vulnerable
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: than male gamers in some sort of way or fashion.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: How the hell do you make that? How do you
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: square that circle? It just doesn't fucking work. Like if
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: anyone is, uh, you know, at risk, you would think
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: that it's males because.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Aren't they terminally online?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Right, But no, it's I mean, consider consider not your shield,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: hashtag not your shield. Those of us that were female,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: are female that were involved in gamer Gate, that were
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: part of the men's rights movement, that got involved in
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: comics Gate, and to a degree the Sad Puppies incident
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: as well, Like those areus that sort of had her
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: fingers in a little bit of everything. A lot of
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: us are female, yeah, or we have disabilities or or
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: there were several There were many people involved with hashtag
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: not your Shield that were minorities, many people involved with
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: hashtag not your Shield that were alternative religions to the
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the the religion that is usually accused of being male supremacists,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: which is Christianity. So everything that that they've said about
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: gamer Gate being a harassment camp pain there was, to
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: my knowledge, the entire time the whole controversy was going on,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: there was only one female gamer and comic book creator
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: that was actually targeted for removal from the community, that
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: was actually excluded and excommunicated and deliberately publicly attacked online
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: and kicked out of a convention in the process. Now
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: was Allison Yep.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Well, there were probably many more, but I by Jeradio
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: was reasonably large at the time. So we have the
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: capacity to kick up a stink about it. Yeah, you
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: never know how how many other such women have being
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: kicked out of these spaces, and they didn't have the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: the the public online capacity to kick up such a stink.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: That's like all the men who never had such a capacity,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: and and they and they were kicked out without having
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the ability to to kick up any such stink. It's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: it's good that we were there at the time, ah
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: to be able to kick up that stink. And and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: that didn't work either. We even took them to court,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: and it takes several years, and even that didn't work,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: and we.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Discovered that the Canadian court system was corrupt.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Even that serves as a cautionary tale to let people
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: know that, yeah, they don't give a ship about women
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: any any more than they give a ship about men.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: All they give a ship about is is is being
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: able to enforce that their propaganda and their ideology. And
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: they will use women to enforce that propaganda and that ideology,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: and they will use men to do it as well,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: and indiscriminately. Like they will say, they will say, believe
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: all women until a woman says what they don't want
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: them to say, and then they will say no, no, no,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: don't don't believe those women either. In fact, we will
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: push back even harder on those women than we do
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: on the men. Well, not necessarily, I mean, they don't
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: need to push back as hard against the men because
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: they already have this, uh, this ideology in place to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: push back on the.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Men harder on the men, like for instance, you know,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I got I got addresses published, and Jack Barnes, they
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: published his kid's kindergarten address.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: There were a couple of other guys from a Voice
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: for Men that were sent beheading videos from from Muslim
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: terrorists organizations that have sent beheading videos out. I believe
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: one of them was a journalist, mister Pearl, and I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: can't remember. The other one was another famous beheading video
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that made it onto the Internet, and they were sent
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: those via email. They had found their email addresses, and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I told, you know, if we get our hands on you,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: like this is the kind of thing that should happen
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: to you. I now, recently I was I was sent
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: stills from the Charlie Kirk murder over and over again
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: by a feminist woman. Oh jeez, but yeah, she spanned
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: from X Now. I think everybody watching that conversation reported
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: every single one of her posts. But in any case,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: when when she sent them, she just sent them. It
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: was just you know, hey, look at this, hey, look
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: at this, Look at this gore. And I mean it
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: it's upsetting because you know, he's about the age of
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: my kids. But it's not like, I've seen a lot
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: of gore online. It's not you run into it in
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the weirdest ways, especially when search engines were new, and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: you'd look up some completely innocuous thing in not thinking
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: that it had any connection to gore, and somebody would
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: have some keyword on their website where they had gore
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: pictures or porn pictures or you know, some weird combination thereof.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: And and in the middle of all your zucchini bread
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: recipes there's you know, something insanely gross that you never
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: really wanted to see. Thank goodness that that's changed to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: a degree. But yeah, oh yeah, you've never.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Had a bread that sounds awful.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I it's one of the youngest, yummiest things. You make
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: it with grated zucchini, and uh it. Most recipes are
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: are a sweet version, but you can make a savory
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: version that's really good too.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Whatever it's.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: You have to well, it's got walnuts in it, so
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: it depends on whether or not you're allergic to walnuts.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: But you have to try it before you before you
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: knock it. But in any case, yeah, like all this,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: it's it's the men always. People were always rougher on
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the men when they when they do this kind of
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: thing like I got sent gore, Charlie Kirk got shot
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: in the neck and died. There's a significant difference there, right, Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I can never unsee that that footage. I saw the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: close up shot.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: You know, if you wanted to send a message that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: that was it, just shut up and don't talk, you know. Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: But well the message was you can't let us win
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: because this is the kind of people we are. That's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: what their message to us was. Yeah, you can't let
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: us win because this is what we do.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Yep. How how old? How old? How old were y'all?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: This is a question I'll send out to most of
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: the honest, how old were y'all before you actually saw
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: footage of someone actually getting murdered of? Our parents of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: the perhaps Gen X generation will have a different answer,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: and boomers of our grandparents' generation will have a different answer.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: We we were generally, we were generally spared this kind
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: of footage in this in this generation, it is afforded
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: to us to actually be able to to see the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: live footage of of someone actually getting executed right there
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: and then instantaneously, and it's I would hope that this
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: would radicalize people in the right direction. I mean, my
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: hope is that we don't have to see this kind
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: of thing because it is. It's traumatizing in the same
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: weather it's traumatizing for children to be presented with Bambie's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: mother getting executed off screen, and even that was traumatizing enough,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: like is she Deadd's mother just where you can expect
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: that kind of reaction from a child, and Charlie Kirk's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: death was the adult equivalent of that, like, oh ship,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I just I just watched I just watched a person
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: actually get But why haven't I seen this before? And
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: some of us have because occasionally you'll see it, you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: and Ebam's World or some fucked up website like that.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: But we're now at the point where, yeah, it is
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: perfectly possible to see someone actually get fucking murdered brutally
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: in real time, and it's I just I just hope
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: it doesn't desensitize everyone. But I think I think that's
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: probably gonna be what's happened. Well, We're just going to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: see so many of us just get fucking executed right
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: there and then in real time, and we'll just get
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: used to it. It'll be just yeah, yeah, another fucking
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: right wing and got fucking insecuted. Yeah yeah, whatever. Yeah, God,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: oh god, I think that's already happened.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's already happened, you know, because you know
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: what you see. I mean, listen, if you go outside
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: and touch grass, you know, notes, you will realize that,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people just aren't in tune
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: to what's actually happening, you know. So they may not
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: have seen it, and they may not have heard about it.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: They don't know who Charlie Kirk is. They don't understand
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: what the whole hullablue is about, you know. But for
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: those of us who do spend our time online, I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: think a lot of us are dissensitized to it. And
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: that's why you see these people who are just gleeful,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: you know, just just happy and very happy to share
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: their joy about the whole situation, you know, because they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: have been desensitized to it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's it's not only become the normal,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: it's become like, well, this is what we do, this
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: is what you should do. Why aren't you doing this?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, thank.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: God. We live in the universe where We didn't watch
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Trump's head get exploded by that bullet because god damn.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: We were in other instances like and this is the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: thing gen X has had sort of a weird trip
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: with us. We didn't see we didn't see a lot
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: of people getting murdered live. But there were a few
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: suicides that occurred live on the news that uh there
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: was no lead up to it where you you didn't
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: know this was gonna happen. There was an instance of
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: a news studio getting held hostage at gunpoint at one
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: point in time. It was another one. There was the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: guy that jumped out of the airplane without a parachute,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: didn't realize it untill he was he went to pull
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: the ripcord and there was wasn't one. So there there was.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: We've seen a few things, and then the faces of
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: death videos were published. Uh when when a lot of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: us were young, so you know a lot of us
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: saw stuff like that, and then you know, most of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: us were adults by the time. The Wild Wild Reddit
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: days when it was you know, young and you know
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: our slash gore was it was a subreddit. I don't
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: know if it's still even allowed. Was another one that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: was really fucked up space sticks our our slash spacetick
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: was really fucked up, and uh, you know there were
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: a few other things like that that you run into
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of that. Or in the early days of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: the internet.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there there there were websites dedicated to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: it's like rotten dot com, you know, and you could
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: go and you could see like decapitated people, you know,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: and it's just again.
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  Speaker 1: Win is you know it was when we're talking about this,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: the one thing that we're kind of dancing around is
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: almost exclusively it was men. Yeah, right, And if you
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: look at arc or if you look at now, it's
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: not all. For instance, Uh, there was a rich girl
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: that had an automotive accident that was particularly gruesome in
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a in a sports car that her father had bought
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: her that the rounds I think the whole top of
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: her head was missing. It was really horrifying to look
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: at and realize what had happened and everything that that was.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: But most of the time, when it was somebody else
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: doing something to the individual, or when it was a suicide,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: or when somebody was being held at gunpoint or executed
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: or you know, held up whatever, there's men and the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: thing that I think the reason that the desensitization happens
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: is because of male disposability. People compartmentalize stuff like that.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Kids don't have an easy time like I can still
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: very clearly in my head if I think about it
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: more than I should visualize the Bud Dwier suicide. But
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: because he's so much blood, but it was, you know, again,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: something that you generally speaking, compartmentalized because we are so
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: used to mail the disposability already. We know that men
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: die in war, and we grew up with pictures of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: World War two battles and deaths in Vietnam. Uh, the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: one where the one soldier is actively executing a spy
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: from the other side in Vietnam, and you can see
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: the grimace on his face and and everything after he's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: shot him. The emmolation video or not video photo, a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: lot of those news photos.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: People see this, then they talk for a minute about
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: the horror of war, and then they go to McDonald's
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: for you know, for dinner, or they ghost go watch
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: a movie or you know, and forget about it because
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: it's men and men men are considered or treated as disposable.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: But a woman gets upset because maybe people didn't like
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: the walking simulator that she created and didn't think that
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: it deserved the attention it got, and all hell breaks loose.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Oh, the misogyny, Oh the victimhood. There's this
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: whole consumer revolt against all of the false advertisement and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: all of the advertisements disguised as news stories and fixed
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: contests and and so on. It's all about this poor
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: woman and her sex partners that she didn't actually sleep with.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: But we're saying, but you know, slus shaming and stuff.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm and stuff and all of this stuff.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: And then there's then there's the Hollywood problem that we
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: see so many movies in which people get killed not
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: just by guns but by knives. And you know, in
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: in westerns, when someone gets shot in any part of
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: their body, they just fall off the roof and do
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: the Wilhelm scream and then they just die. And the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: same thing happened with knives, Like if the hero stabs
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: a villain with a knife anywhere in the body, they
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: just die instantly. Like yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want to engage in any kind of cancel
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: culture or anything that is going to be fair Hollywood,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: But when someone gets sabbed with a knife anywhere in
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: the body except perhaps the direct middle of the fucking head,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: and you can't do that because the skull presents, you know,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: to stop this from happening. But when someone gets stabbed
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: with a knife, what happens, right, is they screw for
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours while they slowly bleed out.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you unless you get them in the femeral
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: artery or the brachial artery, and then it's minutes.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: And even even then, it's nothing like what we see
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: in the movies where you can just stab a villain
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: anywhere in the body and they just instantly die. They
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: just go and then they just fucking keel over and die.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely not what happens.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: No, and in fact, quite frequently most when people do
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: die from stab wounds, it's not from the damage caused
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: by the knife. It's from sepsis caused by the bacteria
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: that was on the knife or on your skin exactly.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: And people see this in just the movies, but in TV,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: the same TV that is presenting this propaganda that you
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: should all murder Europeans. Right, we talk about this every
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Tuesday show because this fucking ship happens like every fucking
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: week in Britain and in the American but especially in Britain.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Every day. This happens in Britain because people I've given
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: this romantic notion that you could just stab a bunch
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: of British people and they'll just die, and they don't.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: They just assume this. You can just you don't have
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: to deal with the with the unbelievable amount of pain
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: and visit to that happens when you stab people. So
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: we'll just go I'm just gonna stab a bunch of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: British people and presumably they'll just die. I could, I could.
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  Speaker 2: I could just deal with these British people by just
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: stabbing them and I don't have to be faced with
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: their humanity or their mortality. And it's it'll be it'll
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: be fine. But it's not fine. It's unbelievably Oh I
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: can't sorry with.
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  Speaker 3: Those perfectly legal knives.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, uh, yeah, it's it's it's there's a lot of
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: misconceptions about how how violence works and and Hollywood perpetuates
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: all of them. But in reality and when you when
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: you really examine it, when you take off your rose
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: colored glasses and you examine it, you'll notice that women
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: are heavily protected. We are. And it's not to say
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: that violence never happens, right, I've experienced my fair share,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: maybe a little more than that, mostly from other females, right. Uh.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: But uh, what I've noticed is that when I do
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: experience any male perpetrated violence, when I have experienced male
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: perpetrated when I've gone someplace, aside from when I was
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: a kid, and kids areolent toward each other, it's when
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: I've gone someplace and associated with guys that normally other
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: guys would protect me from those guys. But if you
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: know you isolate yourself away from the guys that would
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: protect you and associate with the guys that don't have
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: that guynocentric tendency to avoid violence against women, then you
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: face the violence. And I think that happens in a
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: lot of cases. If you look at all of the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: various types of criminal violence that occur in the world,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: and feminists will tell you you know that ninety nine
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: percent of that is perpetrated by men. It's actually about
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: seventy nine percent, and that violence is one tenth of
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: one percent of the population committing that violence. The other
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent of men are nonviolent unless
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: they are themselves or provoked in some way. They don't.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: They don't just run around engaging in violence for no reason. Right. So,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: But but if you look at that, the overwhelming majority
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: of it is perpetrated against other men, not against women.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: And usually it's not for uh, gendered reasons or power
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: and control. It's I want your car, I'm gonna take
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: it away from you. I might kill you in the process,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: as long as I get the car, it's okay, right,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Or I want your wallet or your girlfriend and I'm
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: gonna get it from you and get her from you.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: However it takes. I'm angry about you doing this or
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: that to me, I'm an a rival gang, you're on
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: my territory, or we're coming to take part of your territory. Right,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: It's never, oh, look that dude, We're just going to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: randomly be violent toward him. And feminists portray violence against
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: women as if it's it comes out of nowhere. Right.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Violence doesn't come out of nowhere. It comes out of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: conditions and conflict, and they'll ignore both quite frequently. When
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: women face violence, it's not random, and it's it's not
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: and facilitating theft, and when they face violence. For men,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: it's not usually as a as a territorial dispute or
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just angry with you or anything like that. It's
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: you know, conflict that the woman started, or she has
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: chosen to associate herself with men who are violent or crazy,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: or or drug addicts, or have something else wrong with
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: them that leads them to be more likely to respond
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: violently to things that don't normally inspire people to behave violently.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: And again, that happens when they isolate themselves from the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: men in their lives who would do their best to
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: protect them from that violence. So this, this paragraph about
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: gamer Gate, the thing that pisses me off the most
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: about this. I think like everybody that tells this lie
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: about gamer Gate knows that it's a lie. They're aware,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: They're fully aware, they were present in the moment. They
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: know damn well that it was not anything to do
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: with targeting women. That the controversy was. Gamers discovered that
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of reviews are fake. You read a review
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: of a game thinking, ah, this will tell me whether
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: the game's good or not, and actually it's because somebody
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: got paid or got favors to write a review, they
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: got a free game. They didn't disclose things that would
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: have made a difference in whether you had faith in
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: their review or not. And it started with that, and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: then you know, find out that certain contests were rigged, right,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: and not everything that was an AD was disclosed to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: be an AD. Yeah, And as we went through that controversy,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: we learned more and more that games journalism was mostly
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: just disguised advertising that we were being lied to. When
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: somebody gives you a recommendation and says you should try this,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: you'll like it because I liked it and it was fun,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: And actually that's you know, a lie, it's a betrayal,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: especially if that's their profession and they've risen to prominence
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: with this, you know, claim of I tried it, so
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: that you know, you can sort the stuff you're going
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: to like from the stuff that's just prap. And it
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: where gender did come into it was that, you know,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: the the anti slupt shaming narrative was used as an
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: excuse to shut down criticism of these other issues, the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: collusion and the uh, the lies, the chicanery, the rigged
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: system and so on, and uh that that's typical, right,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna use gonna use women as a shield, gonna
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: gonna say you can't do anything about this wrongdoing, or
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: we'll hold up this woman and say you're victimizing her.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: And honestly, that's one of the reasons why I started
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: saying we're not ready for a female president. We were
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: not ready for female politicians. The women who are in
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: office right now, it's it's not legitimate that they're holding
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: office because as long as wrongdoers can say, well, you
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: can't criticize this wrongdoing, because we'll just say you hate women.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: We'll just say that in criticizing this wrongdoing, you're actually
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: victimizing this woman. And you know who was was marginally
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: involved in one incident of it, one instance of it.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Therefore you can't criticize the entire phenomenon.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Remember all those times when everyone said, you can't criticize
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: our leader because he's a man, and if you criticize
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: what he's doing, then you just hate men. You remember
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: all the times that happened.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we never never times that had happened.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Yea of them, yes, all zero zero, zero thousand of them. Yes.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: And and that's that's the problem. If Hillary Clinton, for instance,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: had become president and she had gotten this involved in
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: sixteen Forever Wars New Ones. People would have like, she
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: could have involved us in multiple New Vietnams and what
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: could people say? Oh, you're just criticizing a woman. You
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: can't you can't handle her military strength because she's a woman.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: They doubled down on this with Kamala Harris because even
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: if white women were like, Kamala Harris can't do this, well,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: you're only saying that because you're not a Jamaican Indians.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, jamaking me crazy.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: I'm more Jamaican than fucking Kamala Harris. Okay, fuck right off,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: because you're not Indian, Well, no, I I am not,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: but I actually do have Jamaican ancestors. My father's my
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: father's grandfather, so my great grandfather on my father's side
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: was actually Jamaican. So yes, I am more Jamaican than
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: fucking co.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: And that makes Kamala Harris better than you because she's
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: part Pajit. Yes she's not just part French like you are,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: like no one gives a fuck about the French. But
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: she's part part of Jamaican and part Pajite, so she
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: covers all the bases whatever. But you know, if she
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: was president at this point, like, there would be no
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: defense against her going to thermonuclear with war with Russia
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: because they'd be like, well, not only not only are
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: you a misogynist, you're also a racist. You're two kinds
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: of racist because she's Indian and whatever the fuck else
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: she is, so nothing she does can ever be criticized.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: And yeah, this is why we don't allow women, let
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: alone the women have protected races, to be the fucking president,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: because because she will have this fucking force field around
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: everything she fucking does. Yeah, yeah, sorry, as long as
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: long as men don't have this force field, men should
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: be the leaders. If at any point men do have
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: this force field, then yeah, maybe we'll maybe we'll we'll,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: we'll change this paradigm, but it doesn't look like it's
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: going to happen. Men. Men will never have this force
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: field of well, well, you're only saying that because I'm
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: a man, because you hate men. It's never gonna happen
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: as far as as far as can be conceivable in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: even the distant future. And this is why it would
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: have been an absolute fucking disaster to have Kamala Harris
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: as a president, because everything everything you're you left, his
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: hate about about what the fucking US government is able
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: to do, it would have been multiplied by a fucking
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: hundred if Kamala Harris Harris was president, Like, why couldn't
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: you not see this? Well, the rhetorical question, but yeah,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: fucking hell, you'll dodged a bullet. I know a lot
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: of you are like, well, fuck your as well, and yeah,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: in many ways suck Trump as well. But the bullet,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: the bullet you dodged. Think of the bullet you dodged, gentlemen.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Well, the real bullet that we dodged was Hillary Clinton,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: because had she somehow made it to office, then it
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: would have just opened the floodgates for these female presidents too.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Then Kamala definitely would have fucking won, you know, but yes, no, absolutely,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: it just would have been a ship show and men
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: would have had to lose their lives because of all
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: the endless wars that Hillary would have gotten us into.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: And then you know, after her, then Kamala, you know,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: because they just don't. They don't operate off of logic,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: They operate off of feelings.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, and uh, I think what gamer Gate really was
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: to a lot of of gamers, was their their first
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: lesson in it's not just politics, in all aspects of life.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: If somebody wants to step on your toes, if somebody
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: wants to uh tread over your boundaries, violate your at
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: least your right to know, right, your right to informed consent.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Because that's really what what gamer gate boiled down to
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: was one group of gamers finding out that their consent
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: was not informed when they were making their purchases. Uh,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: they were, they were told they were being informed, uh,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: and then they were they were being lied to, right,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: and they they found out in the the process of
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: the whole argument that took place over the course of
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: a few years, that the shield for that is, uh, well,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you're just saying that because the liar was was a woman,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: or you're just saying that because the liars were exposed
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: by sex with a woman. You're just saying that because
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: the liar is black. You're just saying that because the
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: liar is handicapped. You're just saying that because you know
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: you you would allow these people to step all over
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: you if they were white. Ah, you know, straight able
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: bodied males with who identified as males. You know, with
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: with some money in the bank like that. That's that's
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the rest of us kind of had that already. A
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: lot of us encountered it in the abortion controversy. Oh,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: you're just if men, If men got pregnant, abortion would
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: be a sacrament. No. No, If men could get pregnant,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: every time the birth rate fell below what politicians I
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: thought was reasonable, they would start another have a baby
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: for the furer program. That's what would happen. If men
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: would get drafted to become pregnant. If men could get
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: pregnant when the time you know, the time frame was
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: during some period when the birth rate was lower than
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: politicians liked, that's what would happen, right, But men can't
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: get pregnant, and so since women are the ones, we
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: can't even criticize the fact that right now three in
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: ten pregnancies, nearly a third of pregnancies in the world,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: and an elective abortion. Right now, women have made being
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: aborted the leading cause of human death in the world.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: We can't criticize that as a too much, too much abortion,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: too much killing babies. We can't say, what the fuck,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: why are you doing this when you have you know,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: umptying gazillion forms of birth control that can keep you
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: from getting pregnant, especially when you can use several of
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: them in combination if you want to, and it costs
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: a lot less than an abortion. Now, we can't do
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: that because slut shaming women. Right, nobody says slut shaming
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: when we're talking about men. By the way, if a
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: guy sleeps around, he's taking advantage of all those women.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: He's he's a cat, he's a player, he's he's a predator. Right,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: he's disloyal, and he's a threat to women because sti's
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: but if a woman does it, you can't say a word, right.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: She could spread herpes across half her community. And how
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: dare you get upset with her for it? She's just
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: exercising her right to freedom of association and free enjoyment
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: of her sexuality.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: He's living her best lie.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, by by killing the life that's inside of Jesus Christ. I.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: I just hate this.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: They're just.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: So irresponsible and it's everybody else's fault and everybody else's
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: problem to deal with. And you know this is.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: It's just healthcare. It's just we're just caring for the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: health of this woman, never mind the feetus that's growing
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: inside of our body. No, no, that's just it's a parasite.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: And this is how they treat children, and we wonder
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: why why we have.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: This generation of young people who don't really value life.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, very much so. I mean, hell, you know,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: they had the three and ten chance of not making
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: it into the world when they were conceived, right, so
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: so yeah. When it comes to the Gamorgate campaign, journalists
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: are never honest about it. They don't talk about the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: actual controversy. They don't talk about what the consumer revolt
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: was actually about, you know, they only talk about the
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: shield that was used to try to keep the consumers
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: from bucking the system and suggesting that perhaps, you know,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: lying to us as a shitty way of doing business, and.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Of course that should be that should be your litmus
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: test when it comes to Grockipedia. By the way, compare
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: the Grockipedia article on gaming Gate versus the Wikipedia article.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: If you find if you fancy looking at the Wikipedia
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: article as to what the fuck gamer Gate was, I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: would recommend you do not because it's pure propaganda and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: this is why Grockopedia needs to exist. But I will
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: reserve judgment until I see what we look we look
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: at what Grock has to say about it, you.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Know, we looked at that, and an after show we
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: might have to go over it in the main show.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: It's actually not a bad article. They Grock did a
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: good job which actually have been pretty pretty pleased for
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: the most part. The thing that I don't like is
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: that after after Grock was nerved for noticing some things
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: and then drawing conclusions that were maybe not the best
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: conclusions after noticing those things. Uh that that that that
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: has led to uh Grock treating a lot of feminist
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: sources as authoritative. But it's still more accurate on gamer
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Gate than Wikipedia, and it's it's also Wikipedia. The Wikipedia
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: article on gamer Gate, you could tell that nothing's been
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: added to it for about seven or eight years. It's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: it's ancient. And they they had one on us too.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: There's a they got a stub I think on Honeybadgers
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: and groc actually has a better entry in Grockipedia there
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: as well. Oh gosh, murder of Growth. Yeah, it was
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: typhoid Mary living her best life. A lot of people
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: don't actually know who Typhoid Mary was or what she
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: actually did. And this is an interesting typhoid people. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: she her but her her story is a story of
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: female entitlement. Okay, So back in her day, if a
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: woman was uneducated, you know, there weren't a whole lot
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: of different types of jobs and an uneducated woman could
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: get that were very lucrative. But one that was was
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: cooking for families, wealthy families. Right. If you didn't do that,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: you know, you could do laundry, you could work in
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: a textile mill, you could There's a lot of other
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: stuff you could do. But want a wealthy family hire
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: a cook back then, and I'm assuming the same thing
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: is true today. If a wealthy family hires a cook,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: they pay quite a bit. And so typhoid is. If
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: you get salmonella poisoning, it can live on in your
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: intestines where you're immune to the effect of it. It
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't make you sick anymore. But if you're not careful
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: washing your hands after you go to the bathroom, you
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: can get the bacteria on anything that you touch. And
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: if you're a cook, you can get it in people's food,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: and then they get a stronger form of salmonella poisoning
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: and it can be deadly for children. That's typhoid. So
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: this this cook had that condition. And it was at
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: a time when, like especially in the lower economic classes,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: people really didn't understand the importance of hand washing. And
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: initially it took a little bit. She worked for a
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: family and their kids all died, and nobody understood why
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: they weren't poisoned. They got typhoid fever and they died.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: And then she moved on to another house and worked
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: for that family, and those kids got typhoid fever and
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: they died. Pretty soon they traced it back to her.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: They figured out that she was the one that was infected,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: and so the health department came to her and said,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: you need to very carefully. You could still work as
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: a cook. You just had to very carefully wash your
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: hands and keep them wash like if you go to
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: the bathroom, gotta wash your hands. You gotta scrubble really good.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: She chased them out of her kitchen with a meat fork.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: She was very offended and pissed off. Didn't like being
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: blamed for these deaths and took the accusations as an
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: attack on her. So, you know, she continued and infected
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: another family, and the state came after her and and
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: basically said, all right, that's it. You cannot work as
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: a cook anymore. You are no longer allowed to work
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: as a cook because you will not wash your hands
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: and you are killing people. So, after being forbade to
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: work as a cook, she went into working in laundry.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: Wasn't luc lucrative enough for her, so she sort of
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: went behind the back of the state and tried again
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: working as a cook. And because she refused to stop
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: doing the job that she wanted, but she also would
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: not do the very simple task that would have protected
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: the people that she was cooking for, she she got
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: put into an institution. The news media wrote articles about her.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: She was essentially she was incarcerated in a in an
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: asylum because or not an asylum, but I can't think
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: of what they used. They used to have these like
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: retreats that you would go to that were health retreats.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: She was incarcerated there though she wasn't allowed to leave,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: and they kept her incarcerated for years. And she got
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: the nickname typhoid Mary because she was spreading typhoid, just
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: not to hundreds of people, to individual families, and she
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: was killing children. And it was a combination of ignorance
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: and entitlement. Like if you're told to do something for
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: the safety of the people that you're providing some degree
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: of care for, whether it's cooking, cleaning, med passing, you know,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: whatever you do it, you don't get mad. I have
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I'm medpass certified, so I can if I'm providing care
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: for one of my sanitarium that's right, Richard Pierre, if
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: I'm or sanatoriums, which was I think what Murder of
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: Crow said. But like if I am giving meds to somebody,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: if I take care of somebody and they have a
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: regular prescription to take, I have a set of steps
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: that I have to take, and it includes going through
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: three times, three separate times, and comparing the information on
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: the packet of medicine that I'm giving and the information
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: in the medical administration record that I'm documenting the medpass
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: on and ensuring that you know, I have the correct
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: recipient for the medication, that I'm giving the right dose,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: that I'm giving it at the right time, that I'm
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: giving it by the correct route. Because there are pills,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: there are shots, there are eye drops, there are nose drops,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: there's stuff that goes on your skin, and so on,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: and in the right method. Sometimes people can't swallow pills
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: in pills have to be crushed, or they have to
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: be given a liquid, you know, form, and things like that.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Some people can only swallow pills if they're inputting. Some
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: people can swallow the crushed version if they're in putting
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: or apple sauce or some particular thing. So various things
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: details about this. They have to be very carefully followed.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: And if you mess that up, say you have somebody
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: that has four or five different prescriptions, which is not
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: unusual in in UH caregiving for people with disabilities, because
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: often if somebody has one catastrophic genetic health problem they
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: have those genes don't just affect one thing, they'll affect
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: other things as well. And so maybe they have a
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: catastrophic heart problem, but they also have as a result
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: a need to take something like I don't know, blood thinners,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: or maybe they have chronic pain and they're on a
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: pain medicine, or uh, you know, maybe they have a
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: mental health condition and they're on a controlled substance or
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: that some of those substances. If you make a mistake
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: and you don't notice that one of the seven o'clocks
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: is am and one is PM. And you double dose somebody,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: you can kill them with the wrong med depending on
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: you know what you're giving them. And so if you're
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: not careful or if you give if you give a
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: heart medicine to somebody that doesn't need it, or the
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: wrong medication to somebody with a heart condition and so on,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: you can kill somebody. And there have been medairrors historically
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: that have caused antient deaths, and you know, it's it's
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: a very serious issue. You don't have to be a
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: nurse to do that task. You have to be willing
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: to follow procedure. You can be completely uneducated, like you
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: could be just a high school graduate. You do have
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: to be a high school graduate in Ohio and do it,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: but you have to be willing to meticulously follow procedure.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: I remember my mom had diverticulitis and it ruptured and
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: so I had to be there to administer she had
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: she had a pick line. Oh yeah, so I had
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: to be the one to put the ivy into her
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: into her right and like I was so paranoid because
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: I know, you know, when if there's an air bubble
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: in that needle, when you injected into her, I could
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: have killed my mother.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Nobody have EpiPens now, yeah, well, yeah, it's.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if they don't necessarily work for everything.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: I I I frequently find myself taking up the responsibility
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: of giving you your appen because of.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Your thing you inject me.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: But I don't think it's technically an epi pen.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: But it's a similar thing, isn't it. You just push
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: it and it and it does the thing, so you
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about the abbubbles, right, yeah.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: Well, and there's there's other medications like really common one,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: really super common one that that can kill you if
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: you use it wrong is insulin mm hmm. Insulin can
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: cause a sugar crash if you overdose.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: And and then there's the other thing, right, A person
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: can take a medication for two or three years and
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: then develop an allergic reaction to it, And some medications,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: the allergic reaction can be so bad that it can
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: be deadly. You could go into anaphylactic shock and die.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: So like there's there's if you if you have an
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: allergy to it, and and one of the ones that's
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: more famous for that is penicillin, but there are other
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: medications like I can't take opiate painkillers. They don't make me.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna go into anaphylactic shock from them.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: But I do have an anaphylactic reaction. I will get
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: hives and I get a rash. If I eat a
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: poppy seed muffin. I think I'm allergic to the whole
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: freaking plant, which sucks because they're really pretty. I I
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: don't get near them, but they are pretty. But in
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: any case, Yeah, so it's it's one of those things
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: you have to be super careful, right yeah. Uh, And
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: and you don't have to be a high class of education, uh,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: you know, recipient to have the oblo gation to be
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: that careful. There are a lot of jobs like that.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: That's just one thing, right, That's one that's kind of
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: common among women. Men have a shitload of jobs like
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: that that you come out of high school and you
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: get some training maybe on the job, or you go
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: to a trade school instead of a college if it's
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: more complicated thing like welding or carpentry. But a lot
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: of a lot of low end jobs that are just
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: dirty or dangerous, and stuff like that can be extremely
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: deadly when you know, like it's you don't get a chance,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: you don't get a second chance. There's this, there's if
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: you look at funny signs online, there's one that that
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: pops up this machine. Don't touch this machine. It will
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: kill you and it will hurt the whole time. Like
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: it's it's not it's paraphrasing, but basically, don't touch this.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: It'll kill you and it'll hurt the entire time. You're dying,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: and you know it's it's it's in an area where
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: maybe it's a machine that will shock you or burn
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: you or something along those lines. But a lot of
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: jobs that men do have stuff like that that if
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: you're not careful and you don't follow procedure exactly as
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: you are told, you can lose a limb. You can
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: you can get killed, you can get My uncle Giles
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: had his arm caught in a rubber press when he
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: worked at a rubber processing plant and it took it
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: all the way up to the elbow, crushed it to
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: about half an inch thick, and he actually had a
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: threaten to kill the guy that he was working with
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: to get him to break out of his stupor shock
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: of seeing it happen and turn off the machine and
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: then they had to roll it back out and you know,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: he lost the use of that arm and it's safety
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: procedures were put into place afterward to prevent that kind
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: of accident, but if somebody doesn't follow those procedures, that
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: accident could happen to somebody else again. I worked at
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: a factory that made cookies and potato chips and stuff
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: like that. Everything was on a conveyor belt and part
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: of my job was to just make sure that the
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: the items were the way they were supposed to be
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: before they went into the packaging, and that involved watching
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: a shitload of it at once, going passed me on
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: a conveyor belt and being quick at grabbing the ones
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: that were wrong and removing them and crashing them. Basically,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: there was another lady that was doing the job, and
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: during the time that I worked there, I kept my
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: I had an engagement ring and I kept it in
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: my wallet. I didn't have any jewelry on at all
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: when I was at work, and I wore my clothes
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: tight when I was at work because you don't want
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: to get something caught on the conveyor belt. It's really
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: not a good thing. And they had told us no rings,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: no dangly necklaces, no dangly bracelets, you know. Like, so
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: my hair was always up in a bun. I made
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: sure nothing could get caught in the conveyor belt, and
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: I got made fun of for it until one of
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: my colleagues got her wedding band caught on the belt
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: and lost her ring finger. Wow, like it came off.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: So you know, these are when you get these kind
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: of instructions. But typhoid Mary felt exempt she didn't She
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: didn't think that she should be told what to do.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: You know, you ain't gotta sell me Twise.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: Let's let us let us compare Typhoon Mary with Ignos Themowis.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Now that's a name you may have heard because Karen's
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: talked about it a lot. A lot of us have
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: talked about a lot. Tyfod Mary was a woman who
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: did not understand jem ferry or why you should wash
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: your hands. Ignos Samowis was a Hungarian surgeon who populated
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: the idea that surgeons should wash their hands. They didn't
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: know about germ theory at the time, but ignore Simolwise.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: It started the idea that you know, when when surgeons
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: don't wash their hands, it seems to increase all of
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: these infected infections. And he was like, what if right,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: surgeons washed their hands as as vigorous, as vigorously as
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: they could with every chemical agent available to us at
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: the time. It was like, maybe we wouldn't kill so
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: many people in these hospitals. Maybe hospitals wouldn't be places
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: of death but places of the preservation of life if
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: surgeons washed their hands. And he died penniless and his
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: funeral was unattended by anyone because he was he was
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: ridiculed for his entire lifetime like nobody, nobody cared. Everyone
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: thought he was a kook who was talking shit. But
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: it was It wasn't until many, many years after his
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: death that people thought, oh shit, ignore simbel Weiss was
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: onto something. And ever since then everyone's been like, oh, yeah, yeah,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: he was right. He was entirely right about all this ship.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: And you know, and for all the for all the
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: concessions that we gave Typhoid Mary about they totally wasn't
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: her fault. And you know, to some degree, I guess
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: it wasn't because because not only did they not know
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: anything about germ theory, but they didn't know anything about
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: well ignore Civilwise taught us. But you know, but she
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: was given all of these concessions, and ignore Simlwise was
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: given none of these concessions. He was. He was just
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: pushed back at every possible opportunity, including an up to
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: and after his death. And that's and and that's what
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: I mean about how many concessions women are given, women
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: are given even though they're just nurses, and how many
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: concessions met are denied even though they are top surgeons.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: And you know, because I studied history in GCS, and
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: that was from age fourteen to sixteen. There were several
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: modules in that course, and one of them was the
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: history of medicine. They taught us all sorts of things about,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: you know, Hippocrates and the theory of the for humors
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: up to you know, they taught us about Joseph Leicster,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: the inventor, the inventor of antiseptics, and Edward Jenner, the
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: inventor of vaccines. That's historic for another day. But they
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: never taught us about Igno Smerwise. And I can't assume
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: that's because his because people still to this day are
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: kind of like they're they're trying not to accept he
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: was so right to this day, maybe it was because
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: he was Hungarian, maybe it was because he was male,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: but I probably not. But they did it was. It
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: wasn't until fucking fifteen years later when I had to
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: when I when I had to listen to to my
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: own peers in this in this esoteric part of the Internet,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: before I discovered what ignorre ignore symbol BCE taught us
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: mm hmm, And And that kind of goes to show
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: you like Joseph Lister and Edward Jenna were paraded as
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: as heroes of of medical breakthroughs, whereas to this day
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: ignore simbleweis is sort of still pushed into the background
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: because so many scientists at the time were like, no,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: he was wrong, he was completely wrong. You can't you
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: can't do it. And to this day they still can't
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: get over how fucking wrong they are, which sort of
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: goes to show you that, you know, scientists are just
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: as parochial and egocentric as religious people, Like they can't
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: admit that they were wrong, but centuries they can't fucking
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: admit they were wrong because that they are married to
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: whatever cultural ideas they had at the time, which included
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: the term yeah again, female nurses can do whatever the
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: fuck they like, but male surgeons no, no, no no
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: no no no no no no no. If they if
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: there's any pushback against them, then we then we should
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: keep pushing back against this. Even Edward Jenner, who to
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: be fair, did have a lot of idea of right
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: ideas about vaccines. I mean, they're called vaccines because they're
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: named after you know, cowpox, and he fixed smallpox with
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: with cowpox, and that's why vaccines are called vaccines because
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: vash is the French word for power, and that's this
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: shit happened.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: And like anybody remembers the line, FESSI lavas from I
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: Python and the Holy crail get the care right.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, scientists can accept that that people are right as
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: long as there's not too much pushback against it. But
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: if there is too much pushback against it, then you
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: get the likes of typhoid Mary, and you get the
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: likes of Ignoscemowise, Like, we we have to give women
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt, but we don't have to
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: give men the benefit of the doubt. And yet we
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: we should have learned our lesson and I'm not just
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: talking about fifty years ago with the fucking solidimite thing.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about fucking two hundred years ago, with the
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: likes of all the of all the male surgeons and
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: all the male doctors had exactly the right idea. But
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: we still can't accept that they had the right idea.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: And in light of recent episodes, I have to wonder
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: how many hundreds of years it's going to take before
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: before the general public can get on board with the
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: idea that recent events were mistakes. And you know what
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, but I can't what I'm talking about.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure which ones are you talking about, Mike particular.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: Nothing in particular. I'm not saying anything, but.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: You're right, and it is a lot of it is vanity,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: which you know, again, this goes right back to what
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: we're reading. Women women are more tolerated in their vanity
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: than men. So you see more instances where women women's
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: egos are allowed to dictate that individuals who are being
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: tread upon, you know, tread upon, or that their rights
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: are being trampled, that that they just have to put
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: up with it because the people trampling them are women.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: I really that line in the Advocate where where God
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: I can hear the actor's name. Fuck Pacino says, says,
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: as the devil says, vanity is my favorite sin. I
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: do believe that that is true. I think pretty much
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: every other sin you know, it's It's just like the
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: the part of the Bible where Jesus tells Nicodemus that
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: all of the law and all of the prophets hang
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: on the two commandments about love, which love is the
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: opposite of of vanity. You cannot have love for someone
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: other than yourself, whether it's God, whether it's another human being,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: without humility. Humility is a precursor, it's a prerequisite to love,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: because you have to be the other person before yourself.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: But vanity is the opposite. And even though people think
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: hate is the opposite of love, vanity is the true
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: opposite of love. And narcissism is the epitome of vanity.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: And I think women we get society does not inoculate
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: us against narcissism the way that it does. Functional men,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: boys that grow up in in good circumstances, at least
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: good enough that they mature the way a human being
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: should mature. They are they they are inoculated against u
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: against that narcissism and against that level of vanity to
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: where they define themselves based on how they benefit their community,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: and girls, rather than being inoculated against that, are actually
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: taught to at least in part, define themselves on how
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: their community benefits them and how their community venerates them,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: and to feel entitled to have a good self image
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: and to be fed basically something that will give them
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: that good self image, so to have their narcissism fed,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: and as a result, you end up with that level
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: of entitlement. Like typhoid Mary couldn't be humble about being
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: told to wash your hands because her pride as a woman,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: you know, she couldn't be told she was dirty, Like
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: she couldn't be told that she had, uh, you know,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: some sort of flaw that she needed to wash off
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: in order to cook for people and be safe. It
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: would it was an insult to her femininity. And I
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: think to a degree people who are highly educated develop
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: that same kind of vanity. But it's they can't be
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: told there's something they don't already know. Yeah, they can't
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: be told they're wrong about something, and it's it's a
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: feminine behavior. Yeah, she couldn't be told not to work
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: as a cook night motorcyclist. That is correct. She couldn't
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: be told to get a different job. You are not
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: qualified to do this job if your ego is going
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: to prevent you from following instructions. You know, men, men
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: get told that all the time. You can't do this
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: job because your ego prevents you from following instruction. You
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: won't follow safety procedures, you won't wear your ppe. All right,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: that's it. You've been written up this many times. You're fired.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and similarly, we'll get into the paragraph more
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: about violence and against women and girls next week. We're
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: going to look at the fact that they lie about
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: connections between mass shooters and the men's rights movement. But
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: this is one of those instances. Before we get into
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: this next week, I want to point out this week
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: again just to remind you, a very small percentage of
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: the violence in the world targets women and girls, and
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: feminists will single out that percentage and a very small
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: percentage of that primarily targets women and girls if you
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: define it the way feminists define it. For example, if
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: you have Jack and Jill that they're fighting over their
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: pail of water whatever, and Jill shoves Jack, and Jack
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: puts his hands up to keep Jill from hurting him,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: and Jill bruises herself on the thick bones in Jack's wrists.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: Then feminists define Jack as the abuser because he hurt Jill.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: Jill was engaging in preempt a self defense because she
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: knew he was going to do that to her, right,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: So that's how feminists are able to claim that domestic
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: violence primarily targets women and girls. Meanwhile, seventy percent of
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: victims of domestic violence who don't use violence, even in
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: self defense are men. Only thirty percent of nonviolent victims
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: of domestic violence are women. And when when there is
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: two way violence, that's associated with more frequent perpetration among women,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: but not more frequent perpetration among men, Which means even
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: when the violence is two way, women are initiating more
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: and they're doing it and not getting retaliation every single time,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: They're not getting self defense every single time from the guy,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: indicating that when a guy finally does defend himself, more
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: often than not, it's because he's been pushed to the
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: point where he has no other choice or he cannot
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: like it's a snap thing. And of course the other statistic,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: the one that feminists like to focus on, is that
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: when there is one way or two way violence that
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: affects female, she's more likely to be injured than violence
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: affecting a male in heterosexual relationships. Well, if you take
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: somebody who is bigger and stronger, faster, and more experienced
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: at using violence, and you remove their ability to pull
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: their punches, you put them in a situation where the
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: violence is completely out of control it's happening, and in
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: the heat of a moment where they snap, where they're
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: trying to defend themselves against somebody trying to stab them
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: or otherwise do them serious harm. They don't have the
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: control available to them at that point to pull their
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: punches to the degree that you know, coddling their attacker
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: can happen, And of course that means their attacker is
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: going to get hurt more. Now that doesn't mean that
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: there aren't any There are still those, you know, the
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: smallest percentage of domestic violence is the category where the
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: guy perpetrates and the woman doesn't fight back, right, and
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: women get to get hurt in that circumstance as well,
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: But it is the smallest category, and so feminists will
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: treat that as the main thing. And then the other
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: thing that they'll do is they'll single out how many
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: women who are killed by homicide are killed by their
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: their family members, and they'll refer to all of that
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: as partner violence, even if it's their kids, their siblings,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: their parents, you know, still aren'ner violence. About worldwide, about
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: forty four percent of homicides in that category affect men.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: It's male victims, so it's actually pretty close to half
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: and half, But something like sixty percent of female victims
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: of homicide are killed by family violence and not stranger violence,
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: whereas most male victims are killed by stranger violence. It's
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: just that there are so many more male victims that
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: you know that that that's the case, that that most
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: of them are killed by stranger violence. Strangers don't attack
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: women as frequently. Feministsly use this to imply that women
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: are the bigger victims of homicide and family violence, but
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: the reality is women are still the bigger perpetrators. And
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: when it comes to violence in general, women are mostly protected,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: and it's only under very limited circumstances where women remain
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: in violent environments with a violent partner or violent family
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: members that they actually end up getting injured or killed.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: So it's something to think about. But in any case,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to our super chats and then
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: if you guys have anything else to add, speak now
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: or forever. Hold your peace till next week.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: But I'll wait till I see what this super tests
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: have to say.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: We have two. We have a super chow from Meredith
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: g who gave us five dollars and said, HBr talk
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: three seventy eight honey for the Badgers. Thanks for the
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: thought provoking conversation.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: How dare you you can't say things like that?
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: We have provoked all the thoughts.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Meredith, love you.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: And we have howl. I think h A h O
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: A U L. That's O is first. It's hard for
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• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: I think that howl. Yeah. Howel fourteen O six gave
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: us five GBP and said, will you guys ever go
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: back to talking about these suffragettes like before? I guess
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: we will eventually get back to that. There's there are
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: several things I want to talk about it's just that
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: right now, with all of the USA budgeting stuff taking
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: place and the controversy over US relationships with the UN
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: and NATO, I wanted to point out these things. And
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: we've been going over the financial stuff too, So there
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: we go. But we will eventually get back because I
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: still have more of that timeline to go over and
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: I still want to publish the timeline, probably make a
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: video with the timeline as well, because it is a
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: lot of work went into that timeline. I won't call
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: it my masterpiece, but I feel like it has a
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: lot of information all in one place, and I think
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: it would be a good resource for people in the
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: Men's Rise movement trying to explain about female voting rights
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: and why they were never earned the way that men's were.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, so we will get back to
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: it eventually. Uh and uh, you know, we'll we'll see
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: if people really understand It's it's funny. I've actually discussed
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: the issue like outside of the men's rights movement with
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: people and they do the la la la. I can't
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: hear you mm hm. Actually had a bunch of guys
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: on a on another stream shout me down because I
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: said there are value valid reasons for questioning women's right
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: to vote. No, there's not. You can't say that, my god,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: yes fucking is. And don't get so emotional about it.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just I mean, open your mind to
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: the suggestion. Just maybe you might need to, you know,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: just take a step back and and think about it
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: for a second, think about the arguments that we present.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Well, and the thing is that the
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: arguments aren't valid. You should be able to argue against
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: them successfully correct, correct, But no, that's not they want to.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: They want to.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: Argue, argue and be right, and it's it's sorry, but
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: should just not write on this. There are plenty of
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: valid reasons why women should not vote. And yes, I
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: am a woman and I am saying this, and I
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: absolutely agree.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: I would gladly.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: Give up my vote if it means that Cardi B
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't get to vote.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: I don't want to either, Like I don't think you
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: men should have the vote either, if that means Hassan
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: Piker doesn't have to vote. But the vote was always
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: a mistake.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, the primary reason why why men shouldn't
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: vote is because government shouldn't exist. Yes, But the primary
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: reason why women shouldn't vote is not the same, although
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: like that's government shouldn't exist, but it does. Right, So men,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: men vote, Men vote because if they don't, they don't
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: get to say in how things are run. And just
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: a recap for people who weren't around for our older discussions,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: like if you go back through our live streams, you
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: can find us discussion discussing the suffragettes, the history of suffrage,
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: which is not just women's suffrage but all suffrage in
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: English common law, which is the governing sort of the
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: framework on which law in general is based in the
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: United States, Canada. Yeah, all the all the nations that
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: started out as English colonies. Uh that that in their
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: current iteration started out as English colonies. And the fact
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: that most people don't realize where voting came from in
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: English common law. Really when I realized people didn't understand that,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: I still get these arguments too from from feminists. Men
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: didn't always vote, Men didn't alise all have the voting
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: rights that that that they have today. Feminists will tell
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: me that the old men always had the vote. No, no, no,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, if you go back to uh, the
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: the early days after the collapse of of Roman control
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: over over Europe, over Western Europe. When when you had
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: England being run by a king and barons, and it
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: was they just sort of continued the landlord system. Voting
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: didn't exist and in the way that it does now.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: What you had was the king being financially supported by
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: the barons. So if he wanted a war, the barons,
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: the land barons, the lords, you know, they would they
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: would give him money and they would send men largely
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: skimmed out of the feared, which was like combination militia
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: cop system. And that was you know, an early system
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: of kind of taxation in an early system of uh conscription. Right,
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: and there was no lottery though, like you're you're among
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: the serfs. The lord or the baron would simply say,
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: I want these people to go.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: The magna carta, the magnaicarta basically didn't involve the peasants.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: It involved the king and barons. Right. It's an important
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: part of our culture, but it doesn't translate into the
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: modern age, Like we don't need the Magna carta either.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: We just need the notion that if people know that
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: they're being invaded, they should be able to conglomerate in defense.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: Of that invasion, if only we had that notion today,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: which alas we don't, because you know, if we if
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: we come together against the invasion that is happening, we're
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: to do that because regardless of the magna carts of
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: the government could just tell us, no, we're going to
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: send you to jail if if you conglomerate against the invaders.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: Right, that's kind of what they're doing now. But during
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: that time you had King John, like the the King
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: John from you know, Robinhood's the Mythology, decided to pull
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: a bunch of shit essentially, and the barons were pissed
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: off and they went to war against him, and the
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: result was the first iteration of the Magna Carta, which
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: he promptly began violating, and there was the that was
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: the first Barons War. The second Barons War went, if
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: I remember, right, against his son, and we talked about
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: this during multiple episodes. And during the second time there
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: was one baron who there was a system of conference
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: between the king and his barons called Common Council, where
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: they basically would have a meeting that was kind of
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: like a board meeting with the king acting similar to
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: being you know, the CEO of the country and the
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: barons going, well, we don't we don't want you to
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: do this or that, and we're not going to financially
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: back it, or we're not going we don't want to
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: send you men for this. And essentially John had ceded
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: Land to France and he then wanted to go to
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: war with France to get it back, and the barons
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: were like, no, that's bullshit, We're not this is you know,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: he was funding this war and it was getting more
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: and more expensive and they were not seeing a return
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: on their investments and people were dying and people were angry,
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: and no, we're not doing this anymore. And that was
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: basically the conflict that the first barons were and involved,
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: and the second one was fairly similar in that the
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: king stopped listening to his financial backers, and his financial
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: backers were like, all right, fuck you, we're going back
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: to war with you again. But in the middle of
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: that a parliamentary meeting was had, and when England formed
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: its parliamentary system it was based on that initial meeting.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: So the parliamentary system when that came about, it came out.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: Of that.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: Objection to wrongful taxation without any consultation. Basically, no taxation
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: without representation, and it was the the land barons that
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: were objecting to being taxed for these forever wars without
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: being being able to have us say and you know, hey,
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: we don't want you to do this, we don't want
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: to fund this. And then you know, the parliamentary system
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: involved sending representatives to essentially the same thing as Common Council,
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: but it incorporated representatives of commoners in addition to representatives
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: of the elite. Because these these barons, the landlords, they
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: tax their commoners and then they paid taxes to the king.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: So it would be like if you paid your state
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: taxes and then the states paid a federal tax, but
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: you didn't pay a federal tax. So you end up
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: with a voting system coming out of that, and at
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: that time less than three percent of the adult population
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: could vote, and it included women. You had to meet
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: certain criteria. They came up with what they called it's
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: at forty shilling franchise or the fourteenth I can't remember
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: the exact number, but it was essentially you had to
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: have enough of an income that you were a taxpayer,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: So you had to be a taxpayer to vote. And
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: you voted for a representative for your community, and the
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: barons would go. So you had the lords, you had
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: a House of Lords, and then you had the House
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: of Commons, and that's where that came from. And during
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: that whole time, it was the breadwinner, the potential draftees,
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: the men who are willing to fight for it that
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: they got a right to vote, and a small percentage
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: of women who controlled enough property that they were also taxpayers.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: And it you know, as we went through we saw
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: that it took eight hundred years for men's voting rights
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: to get from less than three percent of the population
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: gets to vote to the entire male population gets to vote.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: And then women were like, we want it too.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was never as simple as no kings. Ye,
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: for anyone who's still rustling around that particular notion, it was,
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: you know, now, kings are fine, Just leave us the
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: fuck alone to the best of your abilities, leave us
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: the fuck alone. We're okay with. Having kings is a
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: hell of a lode better than having politicians. Not that
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: we knew what politicians were at the time. If only
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: we did, we would have, you know, we would have
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: signified that at the time. But you know, the French
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: Revolution is what happens when you go so far as
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: no kings, where we will put all of our kings
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: and potential kings in the fucking guillotine, and and we
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: end up with the a personal state of affairs that
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: we have today. This is the difference between the Magna
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: Carta and the French Revolution and and and the American Constitution.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: Like it's somewhere in between these these these points of reverence.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: Is the right thing to is the right thing to do?
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: We we don't quite know what it was. I mean, yeah,
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: the French nobility went too far. That's how they offer debate,
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: and that's why the French Revolution happened. And this was
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: what set the ships up of the royalty of all
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: the other European nations, and that's largely why that's certainly
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: what inspired the American Revolution. And good on you. You
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: went in the right direction. But replacing kings with politicians
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: has caused all kinds of other problems. And you know,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell you what the right thing
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: was to do. I don't know whether the right thing
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: was to do. But like I said, it's somewhere in
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: between the Magna Carta and the French Revolution and the
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: American Constitution. But you should probably move away from the
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: French Revolution because that was a mistake. The Magna Carta
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't a mistake, but it wasn't a fool proof document,
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: nor is the American Constitution of full proof document. Has
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: been as corrupted as the Magna Carta has been, almost
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: as corrupted as the French Revolution has been. But yeah,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: I look forward to the future where we can figure
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: out the happy medium between between between these various revolutions.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: Good luck everyone, Yeah, if there.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: Is one to be had. Yeah, And that's the that's
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: the difficult choice, right is trying to figure out can
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: we believe the idea that some humans should have been
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: in a position of authority over all of the other
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 1: humans in their nation, that they're so superior that other
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: people should have to do what they say? Can we
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: can we have that and not have those people become corrupt?
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: Like and it's it's a very difficult prospect. And I
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't know of any
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: government that ever existed that never became corrupt at at
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: some point, So, you know, it's one of those like
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: I've I've developed a philosophy with medication. If I'm not
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: going to die without it, I don't want it in
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: my body. Right, If I'm not going to get so
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: sick that I can't do stuff without it, I don't
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: want it in my body. Like I'll take allergy pills
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: because I have to if I want to breathe and
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: stay in Ohio and not move to Arizona, which I
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 1: might be able to not take allergy pills if I
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: live in Arizona. Maybe it's it's just a maybe though.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: But but like when I get to to you know,
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of chronic pain from the stuff
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: that is going on with my body. I don't take
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: anything for it. I don't usually even take aspirin or
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: ibuprofen unless I'm in real trouble because I don't want
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: to make my body process that. So essentially there has
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: to be a really good, solid reason for it, and
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: that way I'm not damaging my kidneys and my liver
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: by just throwing drugs at it willy nilly. And my
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: reason for that is because I was a victim of
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: something called polypharmacy, which is they give you too much medication,
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: too many different having a lot of medication. Different medication
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: that you're taking is a condition called polypharmacy. But when
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: it's not all necessary, then it's an advert condition and
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: it still uses the same name. And they had me
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: on six different steroids, they had me on anahist means,
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: they had me on decongestions, they had me on all
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: kinds of crap. I became linked the little Lady that
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: swallowed the fly right, And I think we do that
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: with government, where we start every time a problem comes along,
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: instead of people banding together to figure out what can
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: we do about this, how can we empower individuals to
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: solve this problem, they want government to step in and
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: take over and solve it for them. And it's become
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: the magic pill that people take for every little thing,
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 1: whether it's needed or not. And it's quite it's quite
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: lazy on one end. At one end, it's very much
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: like modern medicine has got this thing of well, instead
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: of working on yourself, going to therapy, we're just going
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: to give you this pill. This is going to get
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: rid of your anxiety. You know, instead of doing the
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: exercise and dietary changes you need to lose weight, We're
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: going to give you a drug to make the pounds
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: come off right and and so on. No, we're not
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: going to bring your blood pressure down by getting you
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 1: to lose the weight. We're going to give you statins
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, just pile it on pilot on right.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 1: Government is the same way. Instead of getting going through
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: the growing pains of starting out at minimum wage work
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: and getting income increases and rising in the ranks of
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 1: you know, the company and so on, you're you're going
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 1: to get food stamps and welfare even though you're not
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 1: disabled right where it's not just for disabled people. Now
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 1: Medicaid's not just for disabled people either, you know. And
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: suddenly we end up with a large percentage of the
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 1: population relying on government handouts as part of their income.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: And when we have a government shut down like we
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: have right now, then those people feel the pain because
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: they've discovered that they've given the government the power to
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: pull the rug out from under them at any moment
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: without warning. And that's one of the reasons why I'm
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: an end cap. If you offload your responsibility for yourself
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: to an entity like the government, you give that entity
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: the power to pull the rug out from underneath you.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: At any time and create a situation that you can't overcome.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: You give that entity the power to control what you do,
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: where you go, how you think, what you say right.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: The more dependent you are, the less you can defend
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: your boundaries. And that's very dangerous, and unfortunately most women
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 1: don't realize that, and so they vote like shit. They
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: vote for communists, and because communists promise them, you know,
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 1: every day is going to be a Christmas Morning of
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: Gibbs for girls. And they vote for that because they're stupid.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: And that's no better reason than because they're stupid. They
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: don't think about it ahead of time. They don't think
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: about the fact that if the government is giving you everything,
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: and you're reliant on the government giving you everything, that
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: gives politicians the power to take it all away from
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: you if you don't do what they say.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: So.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, that is the entire reason, in my opinion,
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: that politicians wanted to give women voting rights in the
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: first place, because they knew that women seeking security and
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: seeking safety nets would give them more power. And they have.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: But with that, we are done with super chat, super child.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: Have we fix the world yet? Please tell me we
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: fixed the world?
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: Have we no, it's still tilted on its axis.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and brace us for not fixing the world yet.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: Dear audience, I'm so very sorry that we haven't done it.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre wants to know how difficult If I know
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: how difficult it would be to adapt to Arizona time.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: I just want to point out I'm a night worker
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: who sometimes works swing shift and frequently works double shifts.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: There's not I don't get jet lag when I travel overseas.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: I can adapt. Thanks everybody, Thanks for listening. Thanks to
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: Mike and Lauren for chatting about all this stuff with me.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Brian for making sure that we could have
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: the vertical chat and everything and everybody else that works
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: in the background and make HBr talk happen. And good
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: night all.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 3: I love you, and good night,