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Schedule Anticipation and State of the South | Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, May 9 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaggs Drivetime with John osher Herson and Brian
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  Speaker 1: Sexta Sex. Jangs Drivetime starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to Jags Drive Time on a
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday morning from Tia bank Field in Jacksonville. I'm Brian
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  Speaker 2: Sexton along with a senior writer from Jaguars dot Com,
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  Speaker 2: John Oser, and a couple of weeks here of some
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  Speaker 2: activities before we hit that summer break. Rookie Mini Camp
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  Speaker 2: O TA started two weeks. There's a veteran mini camp
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  Speaker 2: that's on the schedule as of right now. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're always wanting to point out that we never talk
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  Speaker 2: about the off season when we get to the season.
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  Speaker 2: How much of this do you suppose in your mind
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  Speaker 2: is really valuable time. I mean, the coaches are gonna
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  Speaker 2: say it's all valuable time.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think we saw last year. I just want
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  Speaker 3: to bring it up how valuable really is. And what
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  Speaker 3: I mean by that is this, Doug Peterson gave the
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  Speaker 3: veterans that last mini camp off.
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  Speaker 4: He did it because.
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  Speaker 3: He felt like there had been very good participation up
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  Speaker 3: until that point. He did it because I'm sure he
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  Speaker 3: did it. He hasn't really said this, but my interpretation
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  Speaker 3: was he did it to show them, Hey, we're not
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  Speaker 3: a college team, we're a pro team. You guys are ready,
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  Speaker 3: You've done your work. I'm not going to grind you
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  Speaker 3: down for three days in June because I feel like
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  Speaker 3: we need all the work we can possibly get on
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  Speaker 3: the field. So what I'm getting at Brian is I
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  Speaker 3: think the mental part of this, particularly for Trevor Lawrence,
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  Speaker 3: the skill players who feel like they need it, is
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  Speaker 3: very important. Mentally. It's important physically. I don't necessarily think
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  Speaker 3: that it's particularly you know, chemistry. This time of year,
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  Speaker 3: you can talk about it. I suppose it's important for
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  Speaker 3: Ridley and Lawrence because Redly's.
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  Speaker 4: Never done it before.
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  Speaker 3: Here is it that important chemistry wise? For Christian Kirk
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  Speaker 3: and I Trevor Lawrence wouldn't think. I Again, I don't
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  Speaker 3: expect them to say that, But I do think mentally
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  Speaker 3: it's very important because right now, I think a big
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  Speaker 3: thing that's going on is the coaches have looked for
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  Speaker 3: three months in the off season about what worked last
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  Speaker 3: year and what did how we're gonna look tweaking it.
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  Speaker 3: They're pouring that into the player's minds now. So I
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  Speaker 3: it it's like I wouldn't tell you that it's a
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  Speaker 3: bad example because I didn't go to class that much
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  Speaker 3: in college. But it's important to go to class in September, right, right,
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  Speaker 3: But it's really important to nail the final at the end.
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  Speaker 4: But if you haven't.
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  Speaker 3: Been there and learned it, then it's hard to nail
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  Speaker 3: the final at the end.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're not.
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  Speaker 3: In class and you're studying, you can do okay. So
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  Speaker 3: I would sort of say it like that as long
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  Speaker 3: as they're and mentally it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the other reason I bring it up, because remember,
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  Speaker 2: there was a conversation a hallway at some point and
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  Speaker 2: Doug was talking to the media and just kind off
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  Speaker 2: the Cuffy goes, you know, you don't need to make
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  Speaker 2: a big deal about who's here and who's not here
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  Speaker 2: in the off season program, because we're not gonna we're
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  Speaker 2: not gonna get all bent out of shape about that.
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  Speaker 2: But my sense is just seeing guys who were here
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  Speaker 2: and coming in and out and not keeping track in
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  Speaker 2: any way, shape or formance. There's been pretty good participation
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  Speaker 2: once again, and I think part of that is obviously
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  Speaker 2: the coach the culture he sets, but the expectation for
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  Speaker 2: this football team to be better this year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always talk out both sides of my mouth
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  Speaker 3: and miss a little bit because I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: particularly necessary for veterans to be here if they know
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  Speaker 3: themselves and how they prepare. And I always use the
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  Speaker 3: example in Indianapolis after his maybe his second year, Reggie
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  Speaker 3: Wayne would come at the very start of OTAs and
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  Speaker 3: he would essentially make sure that the offense hadn't changed
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  Speaker 3: that much, and then he would we even come back
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  Speaker 3: for the veteran in mini camp. A lot of defensive
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  Speaker 3: players did that too, Frannie math. I mean, I remember
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  Speaker 3: if if Matthew said, but Freanie, you know, a couple
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  Speaker 3: of days here and there, they didn't need it. They
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  Speaker 3: knew how they prepared younger guys. But where it is important,
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  Speaker 3: I think, and I think most quarterbacks agree with this.
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  Speaker 3: It's voluntary for quarterbacks, but unless you're Brady Leyden career,
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  Speaker 3: Rogers Leyden career, different circumstance. Quarterbacks need to be there
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  Speaker 3: because everybody else is dependent on them. Wide receiver next year,
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  Speaker 3: does Christian Kirk need to be You know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: Christian will be every day start, he's that guy, But
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  Speaker 3: does he need to be here every day to have
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  Speaker 3: chemistry with Trevor Or. An argument could be made, do
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  Speaker 3: the other guys get better by giving some reps that
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  Speaker 3: Christian really doesn't need in May when he knows the
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  Speaker 3: offense and there's a chemistry already there and.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna get most of them when August rules around. Right,
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's roll right into Big Things here on
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  Speaker 2: a Tuesday, when we start with Big Thing one, and
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  Speaker 2: that's the schedule, and the question mark is there because
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  Speaker 2: when I wrote the show yesterday morning, there was a
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  Speaker 2: question as to whether it would be ready. Remember, this
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  Speaker 2: is the year that they are totally upending what we
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  Speaker 2: always knew that Fox had the NFC and CBS had
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  Speaker 2: the AFC. Now the entire schedule is sort of a
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  Speaker 2: grab and pick and could be on any channel at
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  Speaker 2: any moment during the season. So was it going to
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  Speaker 2: be ready? Well, it is ready, and it will be
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  Speaker 2: unveiled on Thursday evening on NFL Network, and of course
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  Speaker 2: we'll have something clever and creative to say about that
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  Speaker 2: as well. More on the schedule in just a moment,
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  Speaker 2: on to Big Thing two. It's the Rookies Rookie Mini Camp.
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  Speaker 2: This week. We've talked about this. Ever since Dante Fowler
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  Speaker 2: Junior tour his ACL on Mini camp week when he
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  Speaker 2: was a rookie in twenty fifteen, we've going back this
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  Speaker 2: thing off. Now it's more of an orientation than it
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  Speaker 2: is a full fledged mini camp, but they get the
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  Speaker 2: guys out on the field and give them a taste
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  Speaker 2: of what they expect or can expect when training camp
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  Speaker 2: rolls around. We'll talk about that and finally, Clickbait. Are
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  Speaker 2: you falling for click bait? And John, Let's go right
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  Speaker 2: to this one because it's interesting and if we could
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  Speaker 2: have the graphic please. Kyle Brandt got everybody all up
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  Speaker 2: in arms last week with his chart of quarterback tiers,
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  Speaker 2: and then yesterday Peter King put the Jaguars in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of a mid level tier. And he obviously is
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  Speaker 2: a very well learned football observer and has an opinion
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  Speaker 2: on these things. But it gets people all fired up.
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  Speaker 4: Where did Peter have me?
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  Speaker 2: You I can't read that from where I'm sitting right here,
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  Speaker 2: but he had them in sort of a mid level tier. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well he put him in tears.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've I've been righting this all off season,
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  Speaker 3: and I think Kyle had Trevor Tuba.
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  Speaker 4: He had him below Garoppolo, which I sort of get
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  Speaker 4: the point.
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  Speaker 3: If it's veteran guy Ben there, guy, I would have
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  Speaker 3: to ever higher than that.
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  Speaker 4: But with thirteenth for Peter.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Peter was putting him in tears. It wasn't the
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  Speaker 2: numbers as much as it was here are the teams
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  Speaker 2: that you can count on, and here are the ones
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  Speaker 2: with question marks. And he makes a valid football observer
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  Speaker 2: point about this well team with the questions on the offensive.
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  Speaker 3: Line, well, the offensive line, and frankly, this team has
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  Speaker 3: earned the right and they've earned their status as AFC
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  Speaker 3: South favorites. And if they trend in the direction that
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  Speaker 3: they were trending late last season, which I've ever reason
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  Speaker 3: to believe they will, and if Trevor continues to take
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  Speaker 3: a step like you like he took last year, then
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  Speaker 3: I think this team has a very real chance to
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  Speaker 3: turn into the.
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  Speaker 4: Flexed team of the AFC South.
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  Speaker 3: The other side of that is the Tennessee Titans have
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  Speaker 3: competed for this thing every year. They were the three
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  Speaker 3: time defending championship two last year. The Titans were one
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  Speaker 3: non fumble away from probably when the division last year,
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  Speaker 3: So the Jaguars have yet to separate. They should separate,
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  Speaker 3: but until they do, I don't mind them in that tier.
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  Speaker 2: The point of it, though, is is that this is
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  Speaker 2: the time of year when everything's are ranking, everything's in opinion.
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  Speaker 2: It drives social media and engagement in Q ratings and
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  Speaker 2: all of that stuff, and we're talking about it, so
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about so it just it just it's a
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  Speaker 2: self fulfilling prophecy. I just going through the websites, you know.
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  Speaker 2: The other day there's one on Sports Illustrated dot com
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  Speaker 2: and it's rookies who will dominate? And I thought, dominate.
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  Speaker 2: How many rookies come into the NFL and dominate, right?
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  Speaker 2: And they don't. I mean Randy Moss dominated in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight, that's the first name that came to mind. Dominated.
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  Speaker 2: Fred did that year too as well, with seventeen touchdowns.
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  Speaker 2: But it just doesn't happen very often. No, But that's
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing. They want you to click, they want
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  Speaker 2: you to drive their engagement.
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  Speaker 3: And every site has five veterans the Jaguars must trade for,
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  Speaker 3: or five rookies they must draft, or they will close
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  Speaker 3: the franchise. I mean, it's it's I get it. Usually
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  Speaker 3: the sources are it's clickbait and it's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The problem the old man who shouts at kids on
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  Speaker 3: his lawn has whereas they write me saying, well, what
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  Speaker 3: do you think of that? Well, I don't know about
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  Speaker 3: trades really until they happen. Because you if you talked
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  Speaker 3: about every trade that people wanted to have happened, how
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  Speaker 3: many actually happen.
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  Speaker 2: It's minuscule percentage.
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  Speaker 4: It's not my thing. So and here's something else.
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  Speaker 3: The old man didn't like this whole thing of grab
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  Speaker 3: bag TV schedule.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not a fan really.
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  Speaker 3: I like, you know, the old man and me liked
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  Speaker 3: turning on and seeing the NFC on CBS and the
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  Speaker 3: AFC on NBC back in the day, well ninety four
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  Speaker 3: for that, well nineteen seventy three nine, he'saventy four and
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  Speaker 3: that's when football is real man Brian Fox and CBS. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I like there being sort of an identity with
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  Speaker 3: the conferences. Uh, but I also like wooden tennis rackets.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we got real quick. Let's go back to
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  Speaker 2: the top. We talked about the rookies schedule. One game, right,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter whether there's home or away. One game that
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  Speaker 2: you are most looking forward to on the Jaguars schedule.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, probably.
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  Speaker 3: Probably Kansas City, you know, just because that will really
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  Speaker 3: be a a a measuring game. Too much will be
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  Speaker 3: made of it because whichever team wins, if any of it,
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  Speaker 3: if either of them are good, they'll play again in
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs kind of thing. It could be so, but
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  Speaker 3: that's obviously the one that's gonna be very interesting to
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  Speaker 3: see how they match up. And I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 3: seeing all the games against the AFC Division. They're part
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  Speaker 3: of that click for next year, and it'll be time
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  Speaker 3: to sort of put up her shut up.
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  Speaker 2: I'll go in the NFC and I'll go to San Francisco,
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  Speaker 2: because I really Kyle Shanahan is the guy, and I
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  Speaker 2: said this last fall that I always like to watch
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  Speaker 2: the way that he executes his offense. And of course
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  Speaker 2: last year the story out there was Brock Purdy and
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  Speaker 2: the number one defense in football. I watched Doug in
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  Speaker 2: the way that they did it here and I thought
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  Speaker 2: that's I couldn't wait to see that matchup between Doug
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  Speaker 2: and Kyle Shanahan, between the Jaguars and an offense that's
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  Speaker 2: on the rise and a defense that's as good as
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  Speaker 2: it comes. That San Francisco game is exciting to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm not a big.
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  Speaker 3: This is one of the weeks of the off season
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  Speaker 3: that I don't love because I'm not a big breakdown
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  Speaker 3: the schedule guy, because I firmly believe that so much
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  Speaker 3: changes team to team. But you can tell a little
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  Speaker 3: bit with this schedule of when they're playing teams with
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  Speaker 3: the leak quarterbacks, because elite quarterback does tend to go
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  Speaker 3: year to year and you can trust that, and it
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  Speaker 3: does look like a schedule. Frankly for the Jaguars that
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  Speaker 3: looks like a lot of hals against a lot of
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  Speaker 3: have nots.
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  Speaker 4: Like the top of the schedule is very, very tough.
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  Speaker 3: The bottom of the schedule they should be able to
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  Speaker 3: make hay on if it plays to last season, So
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  Speaker 3: I think that'll be a trend. I don't particularly believe
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  Speaker 3: they have not stay have nots during the NFL season
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  Speaker 3: and games don't usually play out that way.
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  Speaker 4: But in breaking down the schedule, that's going to be
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  Speaker 4: a theme.
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  Speaker 2: When we return to Drags Drive time here on a
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, we'll take a look at the AFC South.
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  Speaker 2: State of the South is next week. The John's thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on the additions to the Colts, Titans and Texans. That's next.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Drags Drive Time. Brian and John with
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  Speaker 2: you here on a Tuesday morning time for a look
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  Speaker 2: at the state of the South. We've talked about the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars and how we see them as the best team
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  Speaker 2: in the South when you look at them on paper. John,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned that last year. You know it's a fumble away.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, if you go back and look
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  Speaker 2: at the first game against the Titans, Ryan Tannehill had
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  Speaker 2: a fourteen to nothing lead until Trayvon Walker sacked and
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  Speaker 2: stripped him and they got the ball for Trevor in
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  Speaker 2: Titans territory and they were able to mount that come
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  Speaker 2: from behind win.
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  Speaker 3: So both games they were going in late and it
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  Speaker 3: would have gotten dice the I mean, it's not going
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  Speaker 3: to be It's always fascinating to me in this league
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  Speaker 3: how perception winning changes everything. Boy, and the Jaguars won
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  Speaker 3: nine games and lost eight. Had they won eight games
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  Speaker 3: and lost nine and the Titans won that game out here,
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  Speaker 3: the tone would be so different. And it was really
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  Speaker 3: one play. I get that, but division games, I'm getting
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  Speaker 3: emails it from people Oh, they should sweep the division
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  Speaker 3: for the first time ever.
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  Speaker 4: They should do that. Let's just.
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  Speaker 3: Win a couple in September, get this thing rolling a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, and then figure out how good they're going
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  Speaker 3: to be.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so I thought, since we talked about the division,
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  Speaker 2: we'd take a look at what the other teams have done,
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  Speaker 2: and so let's start, and we'll start on the Titans.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing with Tennessee. Are they a team in transition? Right?
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  Speaker 2: New general manager, same head coach, same quarterback, right, Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Tannehill still the guy until Will Levis takes it from him.
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  Speaker 2: You see what they did in free agency. They added
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  Speaker 2: a left tackle because they let Taylor Lewan go and
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  Speaker 2: their offensive line at the end of the year was
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  Speaker 2: in trouble. They signed Ard and Key We've talked enough
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  Speaker 2: about that, and a veteran receiver in Robert Woods to
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  Speaker 2: help take the pressure off Treylon Bergs. And then they
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  Speaker 2: drafted an offensive lineman and the quarterback. I can't tell,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think anybody knows for sure yet where
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  Speaker 2: Tannehill and Henry fall on this. Are they transitioning in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three or are they just setting themselves up
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  Speaker 2: to break it up and change everything in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they're trying to transition on the fly,
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  Speaker 3: and they have a chance to.
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  Speaker 4: Because the Titans were.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty good for a while last year and then I
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  Speaker 3: think the thing that some Jaguars fans forget, they got
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  Speaker 3: really injured the second half of the season.
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  Speaker 4: It went on that swing. They lost what their last
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  Speaker 4: seven or eight?
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  Speaker 2: They lost their last seven games.
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  Speaker 4: I knew they Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think the Titans believe interior inside the
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  Speaker 3: organization that they are a team that has to.
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  Speaker 4: Tear down Go four and twelve get top pay. That's
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  Speaker 4: not their approach.
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  Speaker 3: They took eleves because they don't want to have to
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  Speaker 3: do that, So they don't believe they're that team. I
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  Speaker 3: think they're a team with a chance to be nine
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  Speaker 3: and eight. In that range ten and seven, I think
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  Speaker 3: it will be up up to the Jaguars to be
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  Speaker 3: better than that and sort of clear that hurdle and
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  Speaker 3: not make them a factor.
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  Speaker 4: If the Jaguars have a.
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  Speaker 3: Nine and eight ten and eight type record, then I
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  Speaker 3: think one team in this division, I would think the
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  Speaker 3: Titans will be there around them.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Jaguars should be better than that.
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  Speaker 3: They should be able to clear that hurdle and make
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  Speaker 3: nine and eight, not a contending record in this division,
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think. I don't think the Titans are
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  Speaker 3: necessarily going to be a team. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be an eleven and six first place team
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  Speaker 3: and a bunch of six and ten teams. I think
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  Speaker 3: the Titans can get there and compete.
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  Speaker 2: The question I have is if they still lean on
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  Speaker 2: Derrick Henry as heavily as they did, can they win.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know think they can well.
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  Speaker 4: I think they can get off.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about Yeah, if their offensive line is better
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  Speaker 2: than Henry should be better. But you just wonder if
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  Speaker 2: a thirty year old running back who has the mileage
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  Speaker 2: and the wear and tear that Derrick Henry does.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they would have been Frankly, I think
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  Speaker 3: they'd have been a playoff team if last season, if
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  Speaker 3: they hadn't gotten beat up, the Jaguars earned their way
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  Speaker 3: into the playoffs. They wouldn't have gotten there had the
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  Speaker 3: Titans not had that swoon, because they got really beat up.
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  Speaker 3: So innically you can earn it even on other teams
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  Speaker 3: giving it away. I don't think that'll work for the
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  Speaker 3: Titans this year. I think the Jaguars can get to
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  Speaker 3: double digits and up, so I think the Titans can
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: be good.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think they win the division.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Colts. Now you can see they didn't do a lot
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: in free agency, even though they have as clean a
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: cap as anyone in the league they anywhere in the NFL.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: They signed a kicker right and they grabbed Gardner Minshew.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: The real story with them is the quarterback Anthony Richardson.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: How long until Shaneesdyke and the new coach can try
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: to implement a system with that talented young man like
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: he was able to achieve last year with Jalen hurtson Philly.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: They look like a team that will have three or
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: four games where their Sports Center team where.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: He's doing things that you just can't expect.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Wow, look at this kid and people get excited about it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like a team with him at quarterback
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: in his rookie year that's going to be consistent enough
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: to get to ten wins. They look like a team
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: that knows that they would love to be better than
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: that might flash early and then have trouble sustaining late.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Because teams will get a book on a rookie quarterback
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: who's not great in the pocket, shut him down for
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: a time. It will be up to him to see
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: how he responds to that, how the offense responds to that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: That's how seasons with this level quarterback meaning very very
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: good but very very young, usually go. So I'd expect that,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: And it feels like with their cap approach, not spending
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: a whole lot, not re signing unique, sort of letting
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: that get clean, it feels like they expect six seven
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: this year at the most with a jump and go
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: for it after a peak at the end of the season.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: That's what you hope for if you're the Colts.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Through Will Mallory's name in there by the way, just
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: to throw a shout out. He was a fifth round pick,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: tied end from Miami who played at Providence, whose father
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: was here for a number of years in a special
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: team's capacity, and then yeah, it was good for Will.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Good kid. And then we'll go over to the Texans.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: You know, the C. J. Stroud is there, and you
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: would expect, why wouldn't you that he would be the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: opening day starter, right case. Keenum already had his time
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: as the starter there, and it's been a backup. They
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: grabbed Singletary and Schultz right from Buffalo, and now let's
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: in Jimmy Ward, the defensive back who will help Demiko
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Ryans with the defense. But everything rests on those two
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: guys who are at the bottom of the list, the
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: second and third picks in the draft.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they look very interesting.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: And by the way, they signed a ton of mid
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: level free age. I mean, they really up the roster.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: They look like a team and I could I could
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: be dead wrong on this. They look like a team
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: that might have wanted to draft Stroud, draft young and
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: give them a year to develop before going after it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Except the GM has been there maybe a little too
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: long to have one more year where they're down before
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: they make their jump.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It does so.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So maybe putting a lot on the rookie and saying, hey,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: rookie quarterbacks have succeeded, let's get something around them, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: let's get this thing rolling right now and go after it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: They look on paper and from a distance from a
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: you know, thirty thousand feet view on a similar timing is.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: The Colts because of the quarterback.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: But they're acting like they feel like they ought to
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: make that jump this year.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: You know, I all logic tells you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: That the Jaguars are two years ahead of these franchises
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: because of the quarterback development logic in the off seasons
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: hasn't always played the regular sea and I don't think
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: they're that far ahead of the Titans.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: The Titans still feel dangerous.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: To me because I always say that about this franchise
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: or always say this about that franchise. They know how
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: they want to play under Vabele, They know what they are.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: They're gonna get some games because they know their identity
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: that people before the season said, well, they shouldn't win
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: that game, but they always sort of do if they
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: stay healthy. Again, I keep going back, there's a probably
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: eleven win hurdle that Jay Auways have to get to
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: to me to make sure the Titans aren't a factor.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Well, all you need to remember is that Joshua Dobbs
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: have been on the roster for three weeks and came
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: down here and it took Rashaan Jenkins stripping the ball
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: on a sack with just a couple of minutes left
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: on the clock and josh Allen having a free run
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to the end zone. Otherwise the Jaguars are gonna lose
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to Josh Jobs.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: They've always got to earn it to get past them.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I guess what I'm getting at. Always they're not gonna
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: give it to you. Somehow.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: They're gonna get to nine even if they're not on
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: paper very good, which they sort of did last year though,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: So you always got to take it from them. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: they're a good organization because of that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm curious what they do. I mean,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: there's been talk that Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill are
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: available if anyone's willing to take their contracts on, because
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: they could easily make the adjustment right now and go
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to Will Levis. He's a highly thought of quarterback. What
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: will they do? We'll find out. That's our look at
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the South. When we come back, we go to the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: ozone Mailbag. This podcast is own friendly. Oh soon, all right,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: let's go the Ojoe mailbag right here on Jagg's Drive time.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Sean from Oakley, who wants, of course,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to talk about the schedule. He asks, once you're over
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: under for primetime games, the Jaguars get this season?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Well, he asked, including flexes and it's it's so hard
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: to know because you don't know how to circumstance. That's
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: not always up to the Jaguars. Sure, it's up to
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: how other teams fare. I'm gonna say three, and fans
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: will go nuts over that because the most you can
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: get his five.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: But I don't know that the league will. The market
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: is still small and they're not a perennial contender yet.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I think once they're a pernal contender, I think they
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: get five. No, no, no, I think three.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Well, no, because I think once, if they're good this year,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: if they're a twelve win team with Trevor Lawrence, with
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: this offense, I saw it in Indy, Indy before Peyton
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: got there was a non prime time market.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But they're always going to try to get the Jets.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I had four.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: All I know is every time I looked up in
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, I was
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: getting off a planet three in the morning.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: So it's the quarterback.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's the quarter Well.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Right, you want if Trevor's what Trevor is going to be,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: teams want him in that star graphic next to Justin Herbert,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: next to when they're promoting the next week's game. You
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: follow me, I mean or networks want that. So yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I think they can be, but I don't think this
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: first year. I think he'll get them three. If you
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: recall in twenty eighteen, when there wasn't a guy like that,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: they got one. So I think you'll see that difference.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I'd be disappointed for the Jaguars fans because they want
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: this so bad. I love one o'clock home games, but
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Jaguars fans want these primetime games. I'd be disappointed for
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: them if there's not two or three.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I add to their credit, they showed out with
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: those two Saturday night primetime games last year against the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Titans and Chargers, and you would think that the networks
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: would say, hey, if we've got a good Jaguars team
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: late in the season, we want to be there again.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: But again, if if they're on three times, it's because
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the kid with the hair.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Anybody said you when you have the long hair.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: But the kid, now, they said, the old man who
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: looked ridiculous with.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Her right ken from Saint Augustine is up next. Hey, John,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: how many of the thirteen picks need to have a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: meaningful impact to consider the draft success.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Is there a Hall of Famer, there no take value? Yes?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: So uh well, and when I answered this, I forget
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: how many picks they had, ninety five, but they had
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: no prol no Pro bowlers except for Tony. But it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a good draft because he made the Hall of Fame,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: right and he was draft this year.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so uh.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: You know, the way to answer this is always if
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: your first three picks, first three round are impact guys.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: If you have a couple who signed second contracts, uh,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: then it's.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: A successful draft.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: If if you've got a bunch, if you've got four
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: or five or six who were who were starting contributing,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: and then two of them go off the roster and
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: and you re signed to and one of them hangs
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: around for one more one year contract, those are the
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: kind of drafts that you can maintain a team with
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: as long as you've got a quarterback.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You know, as I looked at the draft, and I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: wrote this for one of the columns that we had
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: last week, it looked like you got three guys who
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: you can point to and say they're gonna have a chance
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to be starters for us, right, Harrison obviously, Johnson, the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: safety from Texas A and M looks like a guy
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: who can fit that mold. And then you think Brenton Strange.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You took him with a second round pick. At some
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: point he's going to become a starter for you.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And then Bigsby.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Biggsby's a rotational position.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: We talk way too much, especially on offense, about starters.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: You have starters in the offensive line and a quarterback
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: in this Doug Peterson's scheme, I don't know that you
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: have starters per se at wide receiver, tight end or
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: a running back. You have starters, but you have nine
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: or ten guys if you need at those spots, not five. Well,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: so I think Bigsby fits into that, and so does Strange.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Lacey does right. Tyler Lacy, the defensive lineman,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: is a guy that looks like he can fit into
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a rotational they're hoping that he is. And then you're
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: a duel the pass rusher, you know, the guy that
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: looks like a unique and Gockway kind of player who
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: can get after the quarterback. If those six guys, three
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: of them men up starters, three of them med up
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: role players, maybe Miller, Yeah, I don't I don't take
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: away from anybody's chance to be that guy. But then
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you look at the rest of the class and say, hey,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: if I hit on two or three of those guys
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: for special teams and they play for a couple of years,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what this is about now.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Uh. And I said several times on draft weekend, this
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: draft to me felt like, uh, in twenty twenty one,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: they signed free agents to make up for a lot
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: of years of not drafting and development, and this feels like, Okay,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: now we've we're back to the point where we've drafted
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: our depth, our when when we get off the bus,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: we look like an NFL team.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: For a while, they didn't feel like it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Now they're back to where uh, they've got the numbers
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: to draw from. Guys get hurt, you're not in trouble.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: They feel like a roster that now has a chance
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to be what Balkey wants it to be, which is
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: a big, fast roster that looks the part.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Final question from the Ozone today comes from Reagan in Melbourne.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I have the Drags done enough to improve the twenty
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: seventh ranked past defense to make a deep run into
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the postseason.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a couple of things here that
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know that they need to improve dramatically. They were,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: you know, seven points away from a AFC Championship Game appearance,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: so they've made no k running the postseason last year.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: They want to finally eight teams playing. So I think
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: there's certainly scenarios out there where their past defense is
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: exactly what it was this year and they make.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: The championship game and go to.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl, because if their offense is better, then their
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: past defense can be what it was and if a
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: break or two go right. But I think the things
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: that will improve the past defense are this. The front
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: seven should get better because of a Walker Lloyd and
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: maybe Muma being better making you more stout. The past
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: defense overall should get better from those two being better.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: And if the offense gets better, then all of a sudden,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you're in many more passing situations. You're obvious passing the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: situation that should make your pass rush better.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: You know, it needs to get marginally better. Brian gotta
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: break surf at the right time.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, I think that I want to reemphasate
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the point if they're playing with the lead, which this
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: team has not done a lot of you know, going
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: back to twenty seventeen. Then all of a sudden, Josh Allen,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Travon Walker, you know, Chad Muma, Devin Lloyd, the defensive back.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: They're that much better. So instead of thinking, well they
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: didn't add a corner, well yeah, they added a wide
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: receiver Calvin Ridley, that should be able to give them
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: more points on the board with a chance to play
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: with the lead, which is when you tee off and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: go chase the quarterback.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: And when you do that's what they're counting on.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Sacks, interceptions come right, and a better pass defensive ranking
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: comes as well. That's it for the Ojoe mail back.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: We'll come back and wrap up the show in just
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: a moment, all right, that'll do it for the show today, John,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: huddle up tomorrow with Bucky.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, and then we'll have roocky minicamp and schedule. I
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: mean now this turns in for four or five days
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and the end of the week to one of the
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: busier weeks of the off season.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: So we're ready to get.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and drivetime with JP and Jeff comes up Thursday
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: night as well. We'll have coverage of the mini camp.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Doug talks on Friday, players after practice on Friday and Saturday,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and of course the schedule release which is eight o'clock
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: on Thursday evening. So stay tuned at Jaguars dot com
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and all the social media channels for all the events
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of this week in living color. That'll do it for
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: our show, for Joe and Bret Rieber, David Shoe and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: our entire crew. Have a great Tuesday.