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INTERVIEW: Angela Rye On Pressing Federal Govt, Trump's Shrinking Fan Base, Uncovering The Epstein Files + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's the j n V. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the God.
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  Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building in front
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  Speaker 3: of the room. Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Angela, rae.
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  Speaker 4: Hi friend, Hi brother, how are you? I am good?
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  Speaker 4: I am you know, making it in the apocalypse?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, the best of times, the optimism, optimism.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, raise the Lord, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you are here.
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  Speaker 3: Your brother has been doing some disrespectful stuff. He has
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  Speaker 3: caught ice on me three times to try to get
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  Speaker 3: me shipped out of this country.
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  Speaker 1: What's the problem?
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  Speaker 4: You did not do that?
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  Speaker 1: What's the problem?
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  Speaker 4: You didn't do that?
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  Speaker 1: The problem?
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  Speaker 4: That's not funny.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see the problem.
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  Speaker 6: And then Angela, he'd be rioting and just talking crap
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  Speaker 6: against the Democratic Party every day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's factual.
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  Speaker 4: That is I know that that's true.
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  Speaker 7: And there are many, there are many in the Democratic
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  Speaker 7: Party who deserve to be trash talk.
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  Speaker 4: Not as bad as these Republicans.
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  Speaker 7: Since they're trying to take us back to eighteen sixty three,
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  Speaker 7: I can argue it.
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  Speaker 1: The Dems of the reason we're here. But that's a
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  Speaker 1: whole You could.
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  Speaker 7: Argue that, but that would be silly of you since
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  Speaker 7: seventy five million people voted.
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  Speaker 4: For this man.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but why did they do that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, allegedly, but why did they do that?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean why they did that?
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  Speaker 7: Because there's some of them are biggest, because some of
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  Speaker 7: them are fascists, because some of them are sexist, because
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  Speaker 7: some of them are homophobic, because some of them got issues,
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  Speaker 7: and some of the others that were disenchanted.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to that, Okay, congratulations on your State
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  Speaker 1: of the People tour.
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  Speaker 7: You know what, I would love to take the congratulations,
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  Speaker 7: but I got to tell you the tour was so
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  Speaker 7: eye opening. We're really hurting, like as the people were
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  Speaker 7: really really hurting. Is something, and I'll say it publicly
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  Speaker 7: to you because we talked about it privately.
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  Speaker 4: I used to get so.
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  Speaker 7: Mad at Leonardo, but for all the reasons, but at
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  Speaker 7: Leonard for the times where he was saying to me
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  Speaker 7: I was out of touch. I would get so upset
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  Speaker 7: and I would I'm like, where you spent my whole career,
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  Speaker 7: like helping a craft legislation for our people, doing jobs
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  Speaker 7: like all of these things.
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  Speaker 4: But the truth is, even if you're you know, out.
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  Speaker 7: Of touch for a week, for two weeks, for a month,
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  Speaker 7: you can get really out of touch. And you're thinking,
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  Speaker 7: I'm helping people because I'm working on behalf of their
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  Speaker 7: best interests. But how do you work on behalf of
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  Speaker 7: somebody's best interests if you're not in community and talking
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  Speaker 7: with them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about you bringing private
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  Speaker 1: conversations to the radio.
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  Speaker 4: You do it all the time. Can you can you not?
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  Speaker 7: Can you not for two seconds what you do? So
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  Speaker 7: my point is saying, yes, just be quietet.
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  Speaker 4: For two seconds.
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  Speaker 7: But I was gonna say that there was humbling, you know,
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  Speaker 7: like to go to to a church and meet this
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  Speaker 7: woman with two young kids like under three, who made
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  Speaker 7: it determination to come sit with us and get her
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  Speaker 7: light bill paid and didn't know if the car would
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  Speaker 7: make it to work.
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  Speaker 4: She had to get a jump at the church.
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  Speaker 7: You know another woman who was a teacher in Atlanta
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  Speaker 7: who said that she goes to teach our students every
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  Speaker 7: day and then goes to sleep in her car at night.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, there's so many stories like that. We had
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  Speaker 7: a woman who volunteered with us in Newark who lives
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  Speaker 7: in a red roof inn and every day she is
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  Speaker 7: bringing groceries back home to.
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  Speaker 4: The seniors who live in that facility. But she's struggling too.
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  Speaker 7: So we met these people, we were able to meet
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  Speaker 7: their needs. But you all know, like you go see
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  Speaker 7: something like that, you ready to empty your bank account,
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  Speaker 7: you emptying your bank account. Maybe y'alls would last a
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  Speaker 7: little longer than mine. We talking maybe about two or
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  Speaker 7: three weeks worth of relief. You know, for these people,
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  Speaker 7: we have to have structural systemic change in order for
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  Speaker 7: folks to really see a difference.
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  Speaker 4: And instead of people working to meet the most.
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  Speaker 7: Basic needs and relieve our folks, they're creating cuts that
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  Speaker 7: are gonna hurt them even worse.
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  Speaker 4: That's gonna be on all of us.
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  Speaker 7: But because what I refuse to do is say, well,
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  Speaker 7: we're gonna wait until people who are like minded and
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  Speaker 7: more compassionate get in charge.
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  Speaker 4: No, that doesn't put food on their table tomorrow.
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  Speaker 7: So I've been like, what do we do to solve
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  Speaker 7: immediate needs to make sure that our folks know they
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  Speaker 7: can always turn to community and be okay? That is
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  Speaker 7: the black way, you know, we always look out for
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  Speaker 7: each other. And I don't want to lose sight of
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  Speaker 7: that with all of this crazy infighting has happened.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what the State of the People Tour was like.
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  Speaker 1: What was it for people who don't.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So it was a tour where we focused first
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  Speaker 7: on relief, and then we also ensured that we had opportunities.
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  Speaker 4: To listen to the community.
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  Speaker 7: What are you saying, what are you feeling, how are
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  Speaker 7: you how is your life? What can we do to
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  Speaker 7: make it better? And then we also emphasize policy by
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  Speaker 7: creating a platform for our Black Papers policy initiative. Y'all know,
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  Speaker 7: normally when it's a policy paper, it's called a white paper.
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  Speaker 4: We have black Papers.
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  Speaker 7: So Black Papers was more than seven hundred pages of
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  Speaker 7: policy now thirty four papers, everything from healthcare to reparations,
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  Speaker 7: to education, early childhood education, everything you could think of.
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  Speaker 7: We tried to cover mass incarceration, really ensuring that our
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  Speaker 7: folks know that they don't just have a project twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty five and we're sitting idly by. We have black
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  Speaker 7: experts from all over the country on all of these
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  Speaker 7: varying subject matters that can contribute to making your life better.
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  Speaker 7: And then finally we did it in coalition with more
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  Speaker 7: than two hundred local and national organizations. Black folks like
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  Speaker 7: this have not come together since the Bloods and the
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  Speaker 7: Crips came together to do that little.
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  Speaker 4: Mixtape back in the nineties. So it was very good,
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  Speaker 4: very very good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, so, you know what can
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  Speaker 2: people do?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: So, usually, you know, fast food restaurants back in the
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  Speaker 3: day was the way to get cheap food and to
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  Speaker 3: feed the family. Right, But if you go to any
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  Speaker 3: of these fast food restaurants, a meal now is fifteen dollars,
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  Speaker 3: seventeen dollars, so it's expensive. Groceries are expensive. So you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about the lady that was helping to feed you know,
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  Speaker 3: other people in the red roof, and she probably couldn't
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  Speaker 3: feed herself. So what do you tell people to do
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  Speaker 3: at this specific time?
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  Speaker 2: What could they do? What can they do? What's the change?
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  Speaker 2: Where's the change?
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  Speaker 1: Car?
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  Speaker 7: I think the change comes from within. And by that
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  Speaker 7: I'm not talking about find your food inside yourself. I'm
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  Speaker 7: talking about us, right, like, we have to change our mentality.
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  Speaker 7: We have more than enough.
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  Speaker 4: I was waking up.
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  Speaker 7: My prayer every morning during the tour was God, I
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  Speaker 7: thank you, we have everything we need, and that is
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  Speaker 7: the truth. So if we embody that and we say, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: I have all of these extra clothes that I don't need,
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  Speaker 7: can I give these away to somebody in need? We
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  Speaker 7: have school supplies. We I had twenty dollars to give
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  Speaker 7: towards a child school supplies. Like there are all of
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  Speaker 7: the things that we have that we can make use of.
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  Speaker 7: And I think that is what's most important. Policy only
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  Speaker 7: works when you prioritize the needs of the people, when
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  Speaker 7: you're compassionate towards people, regardless of their immigration status, regardless
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  Speaker 7: of where they live, regardless of if you agree with
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  Speaker 7: them or not, doing the right thing is it's always
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  Speaker 7: the right time to do the right thing, to paraphrase
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  Speaker 7: doctor King. And so I think some of that is
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  Speaker 7: about what can we do differently? So I would ask
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  Speaker 7: people who wanted to join the tour, what do you
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  Speaker 7: feel called to do? And asking people to do exactly that.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's how we meet our most basic needs.
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  Speaker 7: I shouldn't do everything. I'm better at rapid response than
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  Speaker 7: long term planning. I think some of that is undiagnosed.
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  Speaker 7: Add some of that is just.
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  Speaker 4: What interests me.
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  Speaker 7: So I should be on the rapid response squad, but
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  Speaker 7: somebody else should be on the now what do we
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  Speaker 7: do to build out the long term solution? So David
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  Speaker 7: John's who I know, you all know has been on
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  Speaker 7: Breakfast Club. He ran our black Papers Policy initiative. I
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  Speaker 7: was like, I know, we need to do this. I'm
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  Speaker 7: too unfocused to do it. But he had thirty four
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  Speaker 7: papers done in a month with working with some of
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  Speaker 7: the best black experts around.
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  Speaker 5: So what was the biggest thing you learned from the
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  Speaker 5: state of People are like like one if you got
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  Speaker 5: to take one.
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  Speaker 1: Takeaway to see the marathon or the tour the tour,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, tour.
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  Speaker 4: So the tour was twelve cities and then we did
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  Speaker 4: a national Assembly in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 7: I think the most important thing that I learned is
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  Speaker 7: that we can do anything when we put our minds
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  Speaker 7: to it. When we decide that our unity means more
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  Speaker 7: than anything else, we're just unstoppable. We are really unmatched.
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  Speaker 7: So I learned that I learned the importance of listening.
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  Speaker 7: I listened a lot more than I talked on that tour,
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  Speaker 7: and I think that that was abundantly important because I
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  Speaker 7: don't know how you change people's circumstances, you don't know
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  Speaker 7: what they are.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what would you say to people who say,
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  Speaker 5: I hear you, Angela RAI, But we've always felt like that,
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  Speaker 5: like where you are now we've been there.
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  Speaker 7: Well they said that, you know, Like so there are
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  Speaker 7: two things that came out of the tour too. Some
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  Speaker 7: folks were like, well, we've been here, now y'all care
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  Speaker 7: because we're all about to be in the same situation.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, you're right, it's sad, but that's true
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  Speaker 7: in so many ways. That's true because now more people's
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  Speaker 7: health care is going to be cut. So now everybody
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  Speaker 7: feels like the folks who are worried about what may
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  Speaker 7: happen with Medicaid or Medicare or anything in between.
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  Speaker 4: So that is absolutely the truth. Is it right? Absolutely not,
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  Speaker 4: But that is the truth.
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  Speaker 7: I think some of us, and I'll speak for myself,
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  Speaker 7: when you see somebody in need and you know you
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  Speaker 7: can't help right away, it's easier for me to try
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  Speaker 7: to turn.
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  Speaker 4: A blind eye.
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  Speaker 7: That's not the right thing to do. But I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: if I don't know how to fix it, I'm a
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  Speaker 7: natural fixer. I'm like, shoot, I can't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm gonna try to pretend like I'm not here.
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  Speaker 7: That's not the right solution.
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  Speaker 4: I think. The other thing that came up a lot,
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  Speaker 4: especially from folks in the South, was well.
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  Speaker 7: Y'all worried about Trump, but we've been having people just
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  Speaker 7: like him as our governor's local elected officials, and that
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  Speaker 7: kind of thing I would offer to them, and I
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  Speaker 7: did on the tour.
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  Speaker 4: This key distinction.
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  Speaker 7: There was a time where you could go to petition
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  Speaker 7: the federal government to protect you in the face of
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  Speaker 7: your Mini Trump rohnd de Santis or you know, Greg
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  Speaker 7: Abbott or whoever it is. Now the federal government looked
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  Speaker 7: just like them, look just like the January sixth ers,
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  Speaker 7: the insurrectionist So who do you go petition?
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  Speaker 4: Who you gonna who are you gonna call? I do
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  Speaker 4: have a ghostbuster.
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  Speaker 1: This is just I agree with that.
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  Speaker 5: But some people have felt like that about the federal
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  Speaker 5: government forever. They've always felt like the federal government is
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  Speaker 5: not showing up for them, and I think for so long.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the feeling like it and the and
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  Speaker 4: the factual reality is different.
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  Speaker 5: What if your factual reality have been poverty and your
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  Speaker 5: factory reality is being poor and disenfranchised, regardless of who's
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  Speaker 5: in office.
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  Speaker 4: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Why should you ever have any faith in government?
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  Speaker 7: I think that it's is a challenging thing to have
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  Speaker 7: faith in, and I think that the only way that
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  Speaker 7: we can change it, and we've seen this recently is
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  Speaker 7: by applying pressure. Historically we've seen it by applying pressure,
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  Speaker 7: things change. I think it is foolish for us to
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  Speaker 7: believe that anybody is always.
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  Speaker 4: On our side.
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  Speaker 7: Like, what you should expect from the federal government is
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  Speaker 7: that they need to hear about your issue. Like let's
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  Speaker 7: look at it like this way. Let's say that you
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  Speaker 7: live in an apartment building. Your apartment building has a
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  Speaker 7: property manager and it has a landlord. So let's treat
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  Speaker 7: the property manager like it's an elected official like a
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  Speaker 7: member of Congress, and your landlord.
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  Speaker 4: Is the president.
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  Speaker 7: If you have a leak in your in your apartment,
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  Speaker 7: you ain't about to be like, well, I hope they
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  Speaker 7: figure it out because it's their obligation.
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  Speaker 4: Figure I pay rent.
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  Speaker 7: You not doing that, You're gonna send in the complaint,
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  Speaker 7: You're gonna knock on the door, You're gonna go find them.
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  Speaker 7: That's the same way we should treat the fan like
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  Speaker 7: they are paid to do a job. We pay them,
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  Speaker 7: but they not they We're not gonna let them rest
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  Speaker 7: until they meet our need. That's the same way we
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  Speaker 7: would do if we would do that about a leaky faucet.
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  Speaker 4: How much more?
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  Speaker 7: If our kids can't eat, how much more? If they
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  Speaker 7: can't be educated, how much more? If they're taking our
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  Speaker 7: history out of classrooms. That's a good analogy. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 7: use it again.
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  Speaker 2: People feel like they do complain so much and.
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  Speaker 3: So complaining to I'm sure they complain into their property man,
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  Speaker 3: their counselmen. They're local people, and a lot of times
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  Speaker 3: that local people, I'm sure they feel they don't do
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  Speaker 3: anything well.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what's hard for me.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm gonna say, I exist in this privilege, but bubble,
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  Speaker 7: so y'all burst it if I'm wrong. To me, most often,
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  Speaker 7: when I tell people to call their member of Congress
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  Speaker 7: if the something is going wrong, or show up to
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  Speaker 7: a council.
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  Speaker 4: Meeting, they're like, how when is it? Where is it?
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  Speaker 5: So?
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  Speaker 7: If there are those who are complaining, often I think
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  Speaker 7: it's to select few. And what happens is, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: If y'all have this, you guys all do public appearances.
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  Speaker 7: You know that one person to come to every show.
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  Speaker 4: Uh huh. So that when what happens is for the.
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  Speaker 7: Elected official that like, oh, here goes Susie again, and
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  Speaker 7: she just gonna be right, and so they they get
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  Speaker 7: tuned out. But if Susie and all the fifth grade
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  Speaker 7: class comes and all of the seniors come, now it's
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  Speaker 7: a different type of experience. We are a people powered democracy,
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  Speaker 7: at least we should be, and that means more people
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  Speaker 7: have to show up.
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  Speaker 4: If it's the same two or three, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: that it's moving the needle.
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  Speaker 1: You said something, and I think it tends to be
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  Speaker 1: a problem. Somebody asks questions.
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  Speaker 5: Right when somebody says, I don't know how you have
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  Speaker 5: these elitists ask democrats who call people stupid and.
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  Speaker 4: You don't saying that to me. I don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to defend them, no, but I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Just saying that is part of the problem.
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  Speaker 5: When people ask questions, you'll have these people that get
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  Speaker 5: on these high horses and tell them how stupid they are.
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  Speaker 1: You should know any things, You should know what that
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  Speaker 1: meeting is. Wont you just teach them?
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  Speaker 7: I do feel like I think people should know because
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  Speaker 7: I think it's part of our responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that they should be scolded.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think they should be scolded or we
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  Speaker 7: should be scolded when we don't know things, because there's
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  Speaker 7: it's hard already to say I don't know you know.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't think we should make people feel bad,
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  Speaker 7: but I do think.
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  Speaker 1: So many and I don't say my gullet. No, I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about the elite Democrats.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, what do you think about President Obama critiquing Demo
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  Speaker 5: critiquing Democrats and saying they need the tough enough and
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  Speaker 5: take action. Don't you feel like too little, too late?
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  Speaker 5: I don't feel like he should have been saying that.
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  Speaker 4: What's I heard that he said? This was the context
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  Speaker 4: for him saying this just period.
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  Speaker 5: It was at a fundraiser in Jersey, and I guess
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  Speaker 5: he was just talking about, you know, what they should be.
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  Speaker 1: Doing in the future.
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  Speaker 4: I guess my issue right now.
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  Speaker 1: Exact quote.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's okay.
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  Speaker 7: My issue right now with President Obama and Michelle Obama
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  Speaker 7: is they like out here doing Tiger Woods documentaries and
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  Speaker 7: they have this show, which I'm not mad at that
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  Speaker 7: he actually was on her podcast talking about how young
• 13:57
  Speaker 7: men don't feel seen in this uh in this new,
• 14:00
  Speaker 7: this new space, and I think that that's true. However,
• 14:03
  Speaker 7: if you can go on the podcast to talk about
• 14:05
  Speaker 7: how young men don't feel seen, can you also talk
• 14:07
  Speaker 7: about these snapcuts?
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: Can you also talk about the Medicare and Medicaid cuts?
• 14:11
  Speaker 7: And I think for me, if you all were saying
• 14:14
  Speaker 7: that we were about to or this country was about
• 14:16
  Speaker 7: to elect a fascist, why are you not treating fascism
• 14:19
  Speaker 7: as it's just that critical?
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: So I'm confused about.
• 14:25
  Speaker 7: Why there is an expectation of Democrats or any elected
• 14:28
  Speaker 7: official to do something different when they're doing exactly.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: What you're doing.
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: Right, So, if you're treating all of this as normal,
• 14:34
  Speaker 7: it's normal times, We're gonna go to Martha's vineyard to
• 14:36
  Speaker 7: hang out and like nothing is different. Yeah, Like they
• 14:39
  Speaker 7: don't know what to do either. So we have these
• 14:41
  Speaker 7: high expectations. And this is also why we started to
• 14:44
  Speaker 7: say to the people of our elected officials, like, Okay,
• 14:47
  Speaker 7: you got to meet the moment, you got to meet
• 14:49
  Speaker 7: the moment, you got to meet the moment. Everybody, even
• 14:51
  Speaker 7: if they don't say it out loud, is saying, how
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: how do you meet this particular moment, and this moment
• 14:57
  Speaker 7: is changing massively every single day, so how I met
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: it is going to continue to change. We're not giving
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: them the grace to figure it out on the fly,
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: but we're giving ourselves that grace. And for me, I say,
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: you know what, I'm demanding something of them that I'm
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: not demanding of myself. If it is the last and
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: evil days, as the mothers used to say in the
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: church for years and years and years, I really do
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: think it might be the last in evil days. Now,
• 15:18
  Speaker 7: what am I going to do different? And if I'm
• 15:20
  Speaker 7: not doing anything different, then I'm part of the problem.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: That actually gives me hope. That's why.
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like my grandmother was saying the same thing in
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: the eighties, this is the last time. It's the worst
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: I ever seen it, that damn Reagan bly like. So
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: it's just like, I don't know if we just you know,
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: going through what they went through and we made it
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: through before, I don't know.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: And let me just tell you the only caution I
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: would offer us. And you're right, we have always said that.
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: The folks have always explained why it has been we
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: have gotten progressively worse over the last decade at least.
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: And what I would say is, if we think that
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: this isn't the worst it's been, can you tell me
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: why our human rights have been rolled back sixty plus
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: years in a matter of six months, right Like that
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: is I know, And some people are like, well, I
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: don't need civil rights, just give me my paper main whatever.
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: I don't know how you think you're gonna keep your
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: paper main and you can't. You don't have any protections.
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: The ways in which we're watching human rights abuses come
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: forth in this country visa VI, these deportation processes, ice
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: detention holding facilities where people don't even have deportation orders,
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: and watching folks who look like us saying I don't care,
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: that's not my problem. Until you didn't realize that your
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: little cousin daddy was Haitian, you know, until you didn't
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: realize that, you know, your favorite Jamaican spot is about
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: to close down. I keep trying not to do this
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: in the terms of like what people are giving us,
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: but just through our humanity, like you are gonna be
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: in a position really soon where somebody you did not
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: know was that close to you is hit And I
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: don't understand why even needs that, Like, what's just just
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: about our humanity? Forget what should be given to someone
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: who is a citizen here? What about humanity? And that
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: is the thing that is really troubling me.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: How do you feel about democrats who all of a
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: sudden have the courage and courage in parentheses to tell
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: the truth, Like when you see books like the Original
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Sin or you know Karen john psaying she's a independent. Now, like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: why all of a sudden do they have the courage
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: to speak truth to power?
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: But they didn't do that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to figure out why you think it's all
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: of a sudden, like I think everybody?
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: No, I think right, Okay, So do I have my
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: own opinion?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: So I just feel like if somebody this question, but
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: what was the original saying about buy Jake Tapple?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: It literally was about the cover up that democrat.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know if Jake Tapper identifies as a Democrat.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: He's on seeing that every day, talking to talking to the.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Left and talking to the right. I don't know if
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Jake Tapper's Democrat brother, I really don't know.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what do you think about them just all
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: of a sudden having the courage.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: I don't know that it's all of a sudden. I
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: think they've been doing these, you know, expose books for years.
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: Jakes is the latest of those. I think that Koreine
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: had Why.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Tell us after after it's too late?
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Why didn't they say these things two years ago when
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: they could have alerted the American people, and the American
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: people could have been like, you know what, something is
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: wrong with him. Maybe y'all shouldn't run a different candidate
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: than probably wouldn't be in this situation.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: I think that the lie was sexier to people than
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: the truth, and they went with the lie, and they
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: knew Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: so the.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Lie wasn't Joe Biden is okay? Remember remember when was
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: up there.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Saying that Joe Biden had dementia and you and Tiffany
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: got mad at him.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: It was like, don't say that.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Well, And I told you, guys, why, I told you
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's funny. I told y'all why.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: My grandmother literally was suffer from dementia. And he still
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: doesn't have dementia. He does not have dimentia, showing early.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Signs of dimion according to the original sin that we
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: According to my own eyes, we do know he does
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: not have early signs, just like his mom had dementia.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I said, he is showing early signs of dementia something.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: And you just knew something was wrong, and we knew
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: we couldn't We knew he couldn't win in November.
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: All I'm telling you is I was personally offended because
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: my grandmother had dementia.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: So y'all got on my nerves that day because of that.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: Now, as for what Karina's doing and Jake invite them
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: on the show and asked them, I don't know.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: But what I can tell you is Karine had her
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: own experience of.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: Being regularly challenged her brilliance, being challenged by white men
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: who she was supposed to.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: For that white man all the time.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I'm not talking about that, Leonard, and I'm talking about
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: staff people as well. And so when you are being
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: challenged by your peers rather than covered because they don't
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: want you in a role that may you know jade
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: you just a little bit. You might be a little
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: frustrated by that. So I mean I get it, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: I feel like I've always been independent minded and voting
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: down a Democratic ticket because that's where my values are
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: more aligned.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Are they perfectly aligned? No, No, that's never been the case.
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: You ain't never seen me come up here talking about
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: the dim Democratic parties the only way.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: That's not it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: But I'm saying I know what for sure is not
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: the way. I know what for sure is a dead end.
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: Quite literally is on the other side of the eye.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: So if we knew that, how come we did? Who
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is we the people?
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Because clearly, like it was like seventy percent of people
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: felt like they didn't want to Biden Trump rematch. Fifty
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: six percent of Democrats said that Joe Biden should not
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: be I think we all agree.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I think we all agree with that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: He told us initially he was going to do one term,
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: and that was the expectation that I think many of
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: us had. So I never was like, oh, please run
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: Joe Biden again. I think we run the tape back.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: Guess I'm on here saying that.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you. I'm sorry, I just want to
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: say one thing. Let me ask you a question.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Right, you fought for Marilyn Moseby to get parton Joe
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Biden didn't pardon them.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: His whole family, part in his whole family, right, Donald
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Trump part is anybody that's cool with him all the time.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: How did that make you feel that? Did that make
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: you feel like like what Obama said? Democratsic cowitch is
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a lady that did nothing wrong, who does the right thing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: You guys, fought to get her pardon. You fought for
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: the Democrats. You rode for Joe Biden, you rode for
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: This is very loosely fought for the Democrats and rode
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: for Joe Biden. Want I wanted Kamala Harris to be.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Our president before she was announced.
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: I was gonna go with the nomination. I think there's
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: a difference, and I am going to a fact that
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: pardon her and accept this man. And then you see
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: him part in his whole family, who we said he
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: wasn't gonna pardon. You see Trump parting everybody first day.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: He just came with a stage and part in everybody.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: How does that make you feel about Democrats? Because it
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: makes me feel like Democrats don't ride for their own
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: But then you look at Trump. He rides for his call,
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: he rides for his base. So it's like, damn well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: and I think I think that the challenge that I
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: will offer us to consider and I respond to the question,
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: but I just want us to contextualize this.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: He is very crooked.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: He is violating the emoluments Clause every single day. He
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: is taking gifts from foreign governments to be persuaded, to
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: be conflicted out of basic decisions. So I take issue
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: with striving to be more like somebody who's very crooked,
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: who had eighty eight indictments but was ninety one.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: They dropped a few. But I have issues with trying
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: to be more like corruption. I don't want an elected
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: official to be corrupt.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: I will say it pissed me off that Joe Biden
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: and the team that was advising him would not stand
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: for this black woman. I know of black people who
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: worked in the White House Counsel's office who were fighting
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: for Maryland and they were not heard. So it was devastating.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: What I will say is very vindicating though for her,
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: at least is in her appeals case that was.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Just recently heard. Her mortgage fraud conviction.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Was overturned, which which I think is bizarre too because
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: I felt like the perjury was the weakest link.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: But I will say it is so vindicating.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: She gets to keep the property that the black judge
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: who was appointed by Joe Biden told her she could
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: not have and needed to be forfeit. She doesn't have
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: to give up her property, which I think is really
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: important for her and her girls.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: So I heard you mention the Epstein files earlier.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Does this?
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Do you think that this can really really hurt Trump
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: because they don't really seem to care about it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. He doesn't seem to care about much nothing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: I would say that it could hurt him, especially if
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: the you know, the fringe of his base, the folks
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: who's ascribed to all of the conspiracy theories, continue to
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: write it out and he doesn't respond in time with
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: actually unfeeling the files or appointing a special prosecutor. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: think it's bizarre that this man, who he was friends
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: with at least for two decades, was on the private jet.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Now he's not going to release the files, But what's
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: in there?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump? Why you don't want to share it?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like Democrats should never stop talking about the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Epstein files.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, because I feel like this is their
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: transgender in women's sports issue.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with that. I think that they should
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: talk about it because it also creates that same type
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: of ambiguity, the cloud of corruption. He does what he
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: wants to do whenever it's beneficial to him, and he
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: doesn't really care about you. I think that that is
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: the most important thing they could say, because there are
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: a lot of people who were Trump supporters who are poor, broke,
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: busted and discussed it, still down on their luck, still
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: don't have anything to show for his election. So if
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: you still don't have anything to show for it, but
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: you see this man now has a multimillion dollar jet,
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: his family is doing really well, his cryptocurrency sword on
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: the other side of the inauguration, what do you have
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: to show for it? How did you benefit? Because if
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: you don't have anything to show for it, well, what
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: is your.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: What does your vote really do?
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: And it builds a bridge between Democrats and Magna Ever
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: since Trump won, they've been trying to do that, right now,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: whether there's Gavin Newsom with his corny ass podcast, right
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: but I'm just saying like they're always trying to, you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: build support, build.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: A bridge with me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Gavin tag right into his whiteness. He chat right into
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: his whiteness in a very.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: In authentic way. But you know this is an actual
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: authentic way, because this is something that is the truth.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: Yes, I think that there's nothing better than the truth.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: You always talk about how important it is to tell
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: the truth.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I think that too.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: So we shouldn't be pontificating on conspiracy theories. We should
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: be asking real questions. We don't know, no, no, yeah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: that's as I say. We don't know what's in the files,
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: but you do, so release them.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Make sure we all know.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Do you think the files haven't been released, because if
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: they do, it'll be mutually assured destruction, meaning that you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: high profile individuals from both parties are definitely probably in
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: the files, Allies probably.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Allies donors.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really don't know what's in the diplomats. I
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: don't know what's in the files.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: And just based on what I just was saying, I
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: don't want to deepen more into the conspiracy parts of it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: What I would rather say is, if your people ask
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: for it, this is what you promise, your people, make
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: good on your promise, be true to what you said.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I and if I'm a Democrat and I'm, you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: constantly staying on the epsteinm file. Even if I know
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: that there are people from my party in there, they're
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: probably people you need to throw under the bus anyway, Yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: because I feel like whoever is the future of the
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Democratic Party has to throw the old regime under the bus.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Especially if the old regime was engaging in child abuse.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, like there's there's no we should
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: that should be a bipartisan or really a nonpartisan thing.
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: There are some things that we should not allow or
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: hold to be acceptable. We shouldn't be covering up anything
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: for anybody.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, how do you feel about
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: folks who may have supported Trump having buyer's remorse now
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: and speaking out against it?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Like is it the time to say I told you so?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Or is it the time the coalition build?
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: You want my higher self answer, I want you just
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: to answer, well, I have two answers. My first answer
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: is something I should say on radio, forget y'all. I'll
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: say it that way, forget y'all, like we tried to
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: tell you over and over again, like you are sofoul.
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: My higher self answer is I think that people make
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: mistakes and some mistakes they make are extraordinarily costly, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: so I would really want to understand how they got
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: there and what do we do as a people to
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: ensure that folks don't get there. Ever again, they got
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: that though, No, I don't me and you disagree on this.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: I think there are multiple pasthway to get to the
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: pathways to get to this dummy well.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I think I think for so long we've tried to
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: tell people why they should care about politics or why
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: they should vote a certain way, but we don't talk
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: to them to see why they voted that way.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: For me, when Donald Trump won, it wasn't a surprise.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: We was together anyone.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: It wasn't a surprise because I've been having these conversations.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: I can see where Democrats were missing the mark and
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: where he was speaking to dinner table issues.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Now whether he wanted to do.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: Those things dinner table issues and knowing someone from their
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: past four years in office is a liar and it's
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: not going to look out for the least.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: That last year.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: We've had this conversation a million times. Not with that
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: last year, PPP checks was flying in them and.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Now these PPP people's in jail.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But sure, but people will.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: People will forget what you did, they'll forget what you said,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: They'll never forget how you made them feel.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: I wonder how they feel behind bars, like I think behind.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: A lot of sending them trailers in South Carolina to
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: live in the life. They still got that Christ of three, honey,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: some of them living their best life right now, still
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: waiting for another stimmy. And you know what they do
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: every now and then when those touches happening and everybody's
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: getting mad, We're gonna give everybody five thousand dollars. Y'all
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: just relaxed. Everybody's like, yeah, that's what we voted.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: For, and then where's that five thousand dollars?
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: I guess all I'm saying is, you know, at some
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: point people have to understand how the government works.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump didn't write a blank check.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: He did sign the checks smart.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I agree it was smart.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: But in all of that, what I hope his supporters
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: and even people who are like indifferent, I hope what
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: they see over time is this this man will do
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: anything to promote himself, and that is all that he's
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: good at. He's not good at keeping his promises. He's
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: not good at telling the truth. He's not good at
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: people first policy. He's good at promoting himself.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: That's why the Epstein list is good and why Democrats
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: stay on it, because this is the one time I've
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: seen people who voted for Trump and the MAGA.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Base be like lying. Yeah, so yeah, so not only
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: is he lying about.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: This things, That's right. Go be a consultant. You good
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: at this, That's good.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask about what was your thoughts on
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: everything that happened with the Essence Festival?
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, so a lot of people upset that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: You know that Target was still the sponsoring people with boycotting.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: What was your thoughts on all that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: I still say boycott Target number one, Target fast. If
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: I see black people with Target bag just I'm mugging y'all.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: All right, Lauren got once she got a makeup, No
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: one right now from I didn't get you know, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: didn't get this from. I would tell you if I did.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: I did support when my girl Klina was in there.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: But I'm telling you right now, they better get it together.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: I think that this is a really dope oppert tunity
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: for black people to show we don't just support black
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: business in a boycott. We do that because it's the
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: right thing and our stuff is better anyway, So I
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: just yes, I'm irritated that they were a sponsor, but
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: it's a multi year deal, so I understand that. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: thought it was hilarious that they tried to make their
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: activation pink so people didn't know that. It was like
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: the red and white target was like, let's if we're
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: really in red and white, it's pink, let's.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Make it pink. People couldn't see the logo till they
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: walked all the way in.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: I want to shout out Alfonso David has become a
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: brother to me from Global Black Economic Forum.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: He did a tremendous job on his stage.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: There were a lot of really good things about Essence
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: Fest and the videos that I was saying. I was
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: telling then I was like, I didn't see any of
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: this stuff the way that they're portraying it. So I'm
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: just not sure. I will say I did not go
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: to any of the concerts, so I didn't. I don't
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: know what that experience was, Like. I wanted to go,
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: and my day that I could go, I just was
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: not feeling well.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: So it worth it taking the money to create black joy.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: That's what we are right now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Right We're in a space right now where we need
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: to empower each other in various ways, and creating spaces
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: of black joy is one of those things.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So taking that money to create I think I'm not.
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: I just wanted I want us to divorce ourselves from
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: Target until they meet the demands that Jamal and Tamika
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: and Nina have been very clear about.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: The demands are great, including standing.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: Up opportunities for HBCU students at business schools. At HBC
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: there's no you have retail shops at twis at traditionally
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: white institutions. You can do that same thing at HBCUs.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: You can appoint another black board member, you can have
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: a black CEO, your CEO about to step down. You
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: can put black people in position to succeed as contractors,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: as vendors, and as employees at Target. So I don't
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: understand what the issue is. If they can't meet those
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: most basic needs, they don't need our money. What I'm saying,
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: I understand what you're saying. I think that there still
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: have to be parameters. If you look historically at some
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: of the nation's civil rights orgs, some of our other
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: folks who if there are influencers who y'all know, who
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: take money from some of these large corporations to distract
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: us from our demands of these corporations regularly, I would
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: name drop, but I'm.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Gonna be nice.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think you should.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: No, I won't, but I think that what's important is
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: that we are all aligned. So if we're gonna take
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: the money, we know that these are the accountability metrics.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: You don't get a blanket endorsement from us. We're saying, yeah,
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: here's this partnership. We're not doing anymore right now. Some
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: of our black denominations in the churches have taken money,
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: but they know that they see one of a pastor
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: leading this charge.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Don't do that. It undermines us. That is literally how
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: black people got into slavery.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: Oh, I'm gonna take this five dollars from my family,
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: but I'm gonna send y all over there.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Don't do that. That is so harmful.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: One thing people say, and you know, we've had this
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: conversation with Jamal and Tamika as well. What about all
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: the other companies who rolled back DEI initiatives? Yeah, the
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: metas we on Facebook and we on Instagram every day.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: You know the Walmart, the Amazon? Do you get Amazon packaged?
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: A lot of churches are boy Amazon to a lot
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: of interviews. A lot of interviews are boy kind of.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Go to the house and see if they got packaged.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: I want to say, I have cut way back. All
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: I have is my just Water on an automatic subscription.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: But I have cut way back. I did have an
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: Amazon problem. I have since been delivered like every day ordering.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Like that's how I was.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: So what do you say to those people who feel like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: wellocott and.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: You know what, I feel like, it's hard to boycott
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: everything at once, especially if you live in communities where
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: there are not that many options to shop and all that.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: It's hard.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: So I think to make an example out of one
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: so that other organizations, other corporations fall in line is
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: also a smart tactic.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I think Target was personal for.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: Us, Like I don't know about you just but I
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: would just be up and down the aisles like I'm going.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: I would say Starbucks and Target for one thing and
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: leave with a cart full of five hundred dollars worth
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: of stuff I did not need.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: So I think that it was personal. It was like
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: you messed with our sanctuary, Like why.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: That's how I feel abot Walmart TALKINGT I used to
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: go to Talking for T shirts, but Walmart was because
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: you know, growing up in most corner, that was the
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: place that was open twenty four hours, and we were kids,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: we would go wandering around Walmart.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: That's both of them for me, Walmart and Target. Yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: talking got they had better selections and stuff. He was
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: a little he thought a little boogie me was in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: that was the thing.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And sometimes you go around there, you just wandered because
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you high. Were you high?
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: He's trying to say me.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: You know, I will say, I am grateful for what
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: cannabis is doing for my mother right now. She's going
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: through chemo, and she my dad has been very eager
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: to make sure that she had an edible.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: The first edible that my mom had was not for
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: her because she was sitting on the floor facing the
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: wall and the TV was behind her. Said, that's exactly
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: how she has one that has been recommended by the
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: nutritionists now and she's doing much better.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: So her appetite is good and she's so proud of
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: my mom.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: She found on that because your mom is dealing with cancer, yes,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: and so the nutrition just recommended her edible for.
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: What exactly, So it's I think it's a I don't
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: remember if it's one to one or something CBD and
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: THC yeah.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: CBN, CBN and THC yeah, yeah, okay.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: So she's on that and it's helping her to eat
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: a lot better. The other ones just had my mom
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: like she was gone. I was sitting here.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: I said, I see that you like to get up?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Did you ask your mom which one she like better?
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: She might like that, But if she's not eating, because
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: like she's literally like I can't even move, Yeah, no.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I got what if she was enjoying what she was
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: seeing on the wall, and she's enjoying.
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: What she's seen on the wall, but she's still twenty
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: pounds lighter and she's already tiny, not to.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Get her stuck looking at the wall.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: What advice this is my last question, What advice do
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: you have for people listening who just like don't even
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: care about you know, they've given up all hope for
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: like the government, they don't.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Have any faith, like anymore in it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: What would you say to them?
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: You know what I would say is I know this
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: is a government that was built on our backs and
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: never for us, and I think that it's important to
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: decide whether you will reform it and shift what it
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: was designed to do, or whether you will overhaul it
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: and do something different. Regardless of what decision you make,
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: it's just most important to engage. You know that we
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: advocate for our collective best interests, that we show up
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: to ensure that our voices are heard, that we're seeing
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: that our people can't be ignored. And I think some
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: of the best ways we can do that right now
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: is just showing up together collectively and making a difference
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: for ourselves. I think we could still build structures outside
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: of the government that serve our most basic needs. But
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: I absolutely suggest that if you are paying a tax
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: ban citizen, you have every right to demand something better
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: at this government, and.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: It owes us for sure.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I got a couple more questions.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Do you think traditional media, because you know you're having
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: great success with the Native Land podcast yourself, Andrew Gilliam
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: and Tiffany Cross, do you think traditional.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Media still plays a role in shaping.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Not just black political opinion, but political opinion overall, or
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: have we fully moved into an era where non traditional
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: media is controlling all the naratives.
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: I think that they have a role and they have
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: an obligation, and for the most part, traditional media is
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: epically failing. Like there's an epic fail, like the fact
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: that the fines that they're paying to settle cases with
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump. The ways in which they're talking about some
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: of the greatest crises right now is insane to me.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I'm like, are we living in the same universe? Are
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: you seeing what I'm seeing?
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: Are you hearing what these members of Congress are reporting
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: back from visits or state elected officials. We're living in
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: really rough times and for them to not be talking
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: about it or for me, I was upset when they
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: were spending just as much time on Puff's trial.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: As they were on the budget cutting irresponsible. So, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's it is.
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: There isn't a huge obligation on behalf of media, and
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: yet I feel like they're failing. So because they're failing,
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: new media has opportunities to tell the truth and to
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: make sure that people know that they exist and they're
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: not and folks aren't crazy sitting at home.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Is that why you focus more on I don't even
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: like to call it non traditional media no more, because
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: I feel like that is media nowadays. But is that
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: why you focus on like I'm gonna do the State
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: of the People Marathon on YouTube or I'm gonna do
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: Native Land. You know, podcasts on YouTube and you know
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: we have a podcast is distributed.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Is that why? Because it's not like you can't go
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: on television when you want to.
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think for me, I'll say the last TV
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: interview I did reminded me of what I did not
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: miss about it touched you? Yeah, But I think it's
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: more like it's just I'm a germophobe, and I think
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: so especially white men know just.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: They don't wash their hands. The Italian he said he
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: washed his hands too.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, first of all, first.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Of all, you're not gonna fame. Mean, while I'm holding
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: this camera, I didn't say.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I did not say that carcause of your hands.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Looked clean.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: But I'm just saying it's a lot of people, you
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: can tell, even how they move about the world, they
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: don't watch it. Yeah, So I'm like, why didn't you
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: touch me? So I'm a germophobe and it was like
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: not even thought about you.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: But I think that what it was kind of was
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: a shushion too, like it was Yeah, I think sometimes
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: they do that on TV.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: It's like to minimize you in a way.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he went about to do that.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: But I just think that you have a conversation after that, no, no,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: about what because you're just like, you don't touch me.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Don't touch me, don't put you don't know this, you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: don't know this.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Hood if he came bologize.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: But I think that he's so cocky that he you
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: know that he wouldn't.
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: But my point in bringing that up is I think
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: it reminded me of how unproductive those conversations are.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: I'm going on to argue with you. You got the
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: people who are backing you in your corner.
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: I got the people back in me in my corner,
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: my corner, and there's a very small, convincible middle. And
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: I I just think, you know, if we're not having
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: conversations to really get to yes and be like, well,
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: I can understand your perspective. What is it that you're saying,
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: like people should have to be held to facts, right,
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: people go on there and just lied to make up numbers.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: It's like, what's the point of this? This is reality TV?
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: This isn't the news.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: That's why people like you need to be there though,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: And I think it takes a very special person to
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: occupy that space, and You've always been a very special
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: person in that space.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: That's why you stand out.
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: Thanks brother, Well, I like doing the podcast and say
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: that people wasn't just about content development, It also was
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: really about touching lives.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, do you really feel like Republicans cheated in
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four? It was all over Fox News this week?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you would. Fox News really like our podcast. That
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: is so nice. They should put the link in there
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: so people could watch that tune into them.
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: I would just say I am very you know, I
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: feel like Black women and the Holy Ghosts are very close.
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: And I feel like if something about my fighty senses
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: are tingling, and they have been since the day after
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: the election when we were all together.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Some is not right. There's the elections troop,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: the Lions.
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: I believe ETA has a whole report on some of
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: the inconsistencies and election results. There is another entity that
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: I can't think of right now that also has a
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: report on this. Clark County had some irregularities in Nevada.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I have questions.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: And then why did Donald Trump say in January that
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: Elon musk knew how to work the Pennsylvania the local
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: machines in Pennsylvania better than anybody and that's why he
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: won by landslide. Who says that if you know, it's
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: just and maybe you guys could say he has dementia too.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: I hope you don't without any you know, proof, but
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: I think that, you know, he says some things that
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: are jarring.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Especially about how he won the election. We got some
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: surprises for.
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: You, I think they said too. So yeah, I'm not sure,
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: but I definitely don't feel good about it. It would
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: make me feel better knowing that he's stole it rather
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: than this many people would vote for this man.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Nah, not really.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, because you know, like we knew Biden had
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: a record low approval rating, and you know, you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: the VP her approval rating was just as unpopular.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And they gave her one hundred days and she did
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a great job, and that was one hundred and seven days.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: She did a great job in one hundred and six days,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: just putting some energy into the campaign.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: But I don't just think she put energy into the campaign.
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: She also did something structurally that were very, very helpful.
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: I think people got to see another side of Kamala Harris,
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: and I still think that it was hard to break through.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: They wasted a lot of money on things that weren't
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: going to help her candidacy, but made the consultant who
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: work for her campaign rich.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And she dropped.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: She did drop the ball in very key moments, like
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: on the View when she says she wouldn't do anything
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: different from President Biden.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: I think he had a record low approval rating. People
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: wanted something different and you just didn't offer anything.
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: I think, let me just say this, I hear your point,
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: and I also think that there are moments where your
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: loyalty to somebody supersedes what you think will help you
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: stand out. And I can say firsthand, I know I'm
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: a person like that, where I will be blindly loyal
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: to the people I love and.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: It will cause me harm. It has you know, So
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I get why she did that.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: I do think it was a moment that she probably regrets,
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: but I understand why she did it. She wouldn't be
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: there if it wasn't for him, right, like he picked
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  Speaker 7: her as his VP. We all believe she deserved it,
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  Speaker 7: but he did pick her. There were other options. And
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  Speaker 7: then when she when he stepped down, it was Joe
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  Speaker 7: Biden that made sure that Kamala Harris, because she was
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  Speaker 7: a part of the ticket, was the nominee.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's major. It's hard to turn
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  Speaker 4: your back on somebody that does something like that. I
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  Speaker 4: get that.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 5: I think what I hope everybody learns moving forward is
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: America wants something different. When you look at the low
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: approval ratings of Trump, when you look at the low
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: approval rating of the Republicans, you look at the low
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  Speaker 5: approf ratings of Democrats, America is ready for somebody.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: America gets some different right now. I wonder how much
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: they difference. Yeah, but back in eighteen, what year you
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: think we in?
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  Speaker 4: Right now?
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  Speaker 5: We in twenty twenty five. Nah, I'm just saying it's good.
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  Speaker 5: All of this needs to be destroyed. So what what
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  Speaker 5: can what can really be?
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  Speaker 1: Can be?
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  Speaker 7: Do you think it's going to be on the receiving
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  Speaker 7: end of the destruction though? I think that's the part people,
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: But it's and it's going to be mostly people who
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  Speaker 7: look like us, Like that's the part that I think
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  Speaker 7: that we have to grapple with. It is so easy
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  Speaker 7: to say and very privileged to say, we need to
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  Speaker 7: destroy this whole thing, tear it all down. So now
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  Speaker 7: they're defunding the Department of Education, or at least have
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: the clearance to do that. That's going to hurt our kids.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: To say that it's true, and I don't disagree. I
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  Speaker 5: think it's just going to hurt poor people.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: But if we're disproportionately poor, we're disproportionately not paid what
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: we what we deserve, what we should earn. Our businesses
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: disproportionately suffer. Our accesses to contract well, access to contracts
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: at this local, state and federal level is disproportionately low.
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  Speaker 7: It is going to be us on the receiving end
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  Speaker 7: of these things.
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  Speaker 5: But I think this is the time where we need
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  Speaker 5: to look at what Martin Luther King Jr. Was attempting
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  Speaker 5: to do before he was taken out. Probably what he
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: was taken out for, Operation bringing Together pouring disenfranisized people
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  Speaker 5: of all colors, because we need that whole coalition right
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: now to topple what's currently in our federal government.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think black people cannot do it. A little.
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  Speaker 7: I agree with that we don't have the numbers, but
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: I would say this, I am focused on black folks
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  Speaker 7: right now because I believe that we have to get
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: our house in order first and then we can coalition build.
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  Speaker 7: I think normally what we've done historically is we go
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: out to the larger coalition before we're tight. I want
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: to make sure that we're tight. Are we all aligned,
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: are we all good? Are we moving forward meeting our
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: basic needs, advocating for what's in our best interest?
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: And then we grow out.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be humane in your approach,
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: like you can still fight for other people's issues, but
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: make sure your coalition is tight.
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  Speaker 5: This is what we always argue because it ain't gonna
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: happen everybody. Don't get on the same page everybody.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think that everybody has to, but I need
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: a larger group of us two.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I know it just took animals on the
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: art because he knew that them niggas wasn't coming.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this so much. Let me.
• 46:13
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• 46:19
  Speaker 7: At Angela Ryan Instagram that Leonard said we are now boycotting.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not and uh yeah.
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  Speaker 7: At Native Lampid podcast Every Thursday its Angela Rai.
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