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55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Cory Bowman, Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Five O five fifty five KRC the talk station. Happy Friday. Yay,
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  Speaker 1: some sense say, will vacation there it is, It's Friday.
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  Speaker 1: There's the woo who I was waiting for. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: get a woo who out of that guy, Joe Strecker,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for hitting that button. Brian Thomas right here
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  Speaker 1: hosting the fifty five r S Morning Show, couldn't do
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  Speaker 1: it without Joe Strecker, Executive producer, Internet Research Guru. Al Right,
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  Speaker 1: great guy, So good morning to everybody. Hope you're got
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  Speaker 1: a break, great weekend playing ahead and at least put
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  Speaker 1: a smile on your face, because, let's face it, it's Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Something to smile about, yes, indeed, something else to smile
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  Speaker 1: about coming up, It's Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. I
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  Speaker 1: love talking to Dave, and today we can talk about
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  Speaker 1: the US needing upgraded critical to upgrade its critical infrastructure
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  Speaker 1: in order to counter Iranian hackers. Have a related article
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  Speaker 1: on that kind of frightening stuff. Considering Dave is an
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  Speaker 1: anti app guy moment on that digital arson spree by
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  Speaker 1: an Ai, Bonny and Clyde apparently raising fears over autonomous tech.
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  Speaker 1: Dave will break that one. Down for us and then
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  Speaker 1: extortion using smart glasses. All right, Corey Bowman, Meyrill candidate
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  Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, He'll be in studio. You know, I never
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  Speaker 1: think about Corey Bowman being the brother of j half
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  Speaker 1: brother anyway genetically related to JD. Van's vice president of
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  Speaker 1: United States of America. I know that that when he
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  Speaker 1: was running for Mayra. It's like Corey Bowman Kamma JD
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  Speaker 1: Vance's half brother Kama or Corey Bowman JD Vance's brother.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like that had anything to do with who
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  Speaker 1: Corey Bowman is or what he stood for, or the
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  Speaker 1: idea that the vice President of United States of America
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  Speaker 1: would have any involvement in local politics. You know who knows? Though,
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  Speaker 1: since we're trying to get the Republican Party in Hamilton
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  Speaker 1: kind he reformed in a well oiled machine. And before
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  Speaker 1: we pull the flag out and run to the surrounding
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  Speaker 1: counties or basically maybe even leave the state, I'll see
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  Speaker 1: what Josh Girth can do about it. Of course, Josh Girth,
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  Speaker 1: the Girth was on the program yesterday talking about how
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  Speaker 1: he won the chairman spot for the Hamilton County Republican
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  Speaker 1: Party just having a conversation with one of my little
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  Speaker 1: bird friends the other day, thought would it be possible
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  Speaker 1: to bring the star power of JD Vance to Hamilton
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  Speaker 1: County Since Corey Bouman is still actively engaged in politics
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  Speaker 1: here locally, maybe that'll help kick start the Republican Party
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  Speaker 1: and fundraising and that kind of thing. We'll see Corey
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  Speaker 1: Buma is going to be in studio coming up at
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  Speaker 1: seven oh five. He'll be talking about all these types
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  Speaker 1: of things, including Oh my god, I'm gonna get to
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  Speaker 1: this a little bit later in the program, maybe in
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  Speaker 1: the six o'clock hour. I could do it ahead of time,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm going to catch up on some other things
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  Speaker 1: going on. Thank you to WCPO, specifically Paula Christian and
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  Speaker 1: the I team actually doing local reporting on what in
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  Speaker 1: the hell's going on in downtown Cincinnati involving Iris Rowley
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  Speaker 1: and her consultant contract with the City of Cincinnati. Holy crap,
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  Speaker 1: the amount of money her sons make is more than
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  Speaker 1: more than the mayor. Not only but as reported, they
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  Speaker 1: make more than almost everybody who's employed by the City
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  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. But it's okay because they're outside contractors. This
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  Speaker 1: is crazy, man, This is crazy. Paula Christian. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you're awake right now, but I appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: taking it on the chin and reporting this because it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty I would say it's pretty damn explosive. And we
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  Speaker 1: will talk about with that with Corey Bowman. You and I,
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  Speaker 1: not me, not we, the royal we. Every time I
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  Speaker 1: say we, I always think someone's out there going what
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  Speaker 1: you and the mouse in your pocket because my dad
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  Speaker 1: used to say that all the time. Michig ed. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: after Corey Bowman, Jack Windsor from the Hile Press Net.
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  Speaker 1: He'll be talking about Andy Wilson as the new Attorney
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  Speaker 1: General replacing Yost, making public college and tech schools quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote free in Ohio. There is nothing free, and the
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  Speaker 1: debate over data centers. So looking forward to heaven the
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  Speaker 1: return of Jack Windsor. I find him very very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: You can just follow him at the Aisle Press Network.
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  Speaker 1: You can also call five one three seven, four nine
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  Speaker 1: two three talk or pound five point fifty on AT
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  Speaker 1: and T phones. So real quick here just before we
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  Speaker 1: get the Dave Hatter. Apparently the our enemies, including the
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  Speaker 1: Iranians radical Islamic regime, are using location data from apps
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  Speaker 1: and service providers. This is regularly collected data. This is
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  Speaker 1: the kind of thing that Dave Hatter worries about. For
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  Speaker 1: all you people out there who say, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: do anything wrong, I don't care if they're collecting data, well,
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  Speaker 1: our adversaries can use it to their advantage. US Central
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  Speaker 1: Commands said it received multiple threat report or it's concerning
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  Speaker 1: adversary exploitation of commercial location data to target or surveil
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  Speaker 1: US personnel in theater. So I paused from what it
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  Speaker 1: was like, Wait a second, our military doesn't have prohibitions
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  Speaker 1: on the use of apps on cellular phones and the like.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently not if this is a threat. Because the apps
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  Speaker 1: are collecting data all the time about where you are.
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  Speaker 1: And the reporting on this refers back to a New
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  Speaker 1: York Times article that was done in twenty eighteen explaining
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  Speaker 1: how apps know where you are and they share the data.
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  Speaker 1: This is data that you can buy commercially on the market.
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  Speaker 1: This is why I always said the app is free,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not really free. The information the apps gather
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  Speaker 1: up from you. You know, all the information, including your location,
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  Speaker 1: is sold on the open market for well, there's obviously
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  Speaker 1: reasons for that. Maybe the Iranians are writing a check
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  Speaker 1: to these entities and said, out what your data. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: since that's the mechanism by which the apps make money,
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  Speaker 1: of course they'd sell to anybody. Commercial location data can
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  Speaker 1: be used to identify where US troops congregate and their
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  Speaker 1: pattern of life, which can be exploited by adversaries to
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  Speaker 1: target attacks such as missiles, drones, and roadside bombs, as
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  Speaker 1: well as for counterintelligence purposes. And the other thing I
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  Speaker 1: think of is espionage. And we talked about this with
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  Speaker 1: Judge and Paulitano. You're wonder why politicians do what they do.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they have one firm I will not deviate
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  Speaker 1: from my position. They're hauled into the back room and
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  Speaker 1: then they come out from the back room and say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've changed my mind. How did that reality
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  Speaker 1: come about? Well, maybe they got the goods on you.
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  Speaker 1: And if you remember the American military, maybe you're in
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  Speaker 1: charge of some sensitive data or secrets and they know
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  Speaker 1: where you are. And let's just say you've got an
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  Speaker 1: affair going on the side, or you got something else
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  Speaker 1: going on untoward you wouldn't want the world to know
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  Speaker 1: about it. If they know where your location data is,
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  Speaker 1: they might be able to figure that out. And they
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  Speaker 1: put you in a side room and say, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: want you to work for us. Otherwise we're going to
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  Speaker 1: let the world know about this. It's a thought, it's
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  Speaker 1: a reality possibly, And of course and send Comma is
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  Speaker 1: issuing this memorandum saying it's happening in real time. You
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  Speaker 1: might want to do about it. So I do something
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  Speaker 1: about it, and I I followed Dave's advice. I do
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  Speaker 1: have a couple of apps on my phone, but one
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  Speaker 1: of them I think, well, most of them never require permissions.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing I would ever enter into allow permissions,
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  Speaker 1: in other words, for data is if I absolutely have
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  Speaker 1: to do it. And I don't use apps. I play Solitaire,
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  Speaker 1: but that one did not require anybody's permissions. So my friends,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of I feel like I got ghosted. I
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  Speaker 1: got all these fraternity brothers. It was a group email
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  Speaker 1: going around all the time, about fifteen sixteen. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how many guys are on it, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: joking around. It was entertaining, and then all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden it's gone. And so I texted a friend of
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  Speaker 1: mine the other day, I said, whatever happened? Are you
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  Speaker 1: guys still you know, exchanging information about, you know, talking
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  Speaker 1: to each other and making jokes and comments. He said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're all on what's App. It's like I don't have that.
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  Speaker 1: So I texted Dave Hatter Hey, buddy, a quick question.
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  Speaker 1: Is WhatsApp quote unquote safe from your Dave had a perspective,
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  Speaker 1: mentioned if my college friends are all using and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of curious. He said, it's a meta product, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I do not use it. I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, it's a lonely, lonely, lonely thing to
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  Speaker 1: be a Hatter write loyalist. I was thinking in the
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  Speaker 1: context of ludites, which you reject technology as a philosophy.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess I won't be conversing with my fraternity
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  Speaker 1: brother friends anymore because I'm not on WhatsApp, because Dave
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  Speaker 1: doesn't recommend it and doesn't use it himself. So I
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  Speaker 1: am a loyalist. Hatter Wright got a new term, new lexicon?
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  Speaker 1: What else? Okay? Real quick here on the tentative agreement?
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  Speaker 1: So where are we with Iran? A negotiator's report of
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  Speaker 1: a tentative agreement. White House confirmed yesterday they have agreed
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  Speaker 1: to the proposed memorandum. Although Trump on our side and
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  Speaker 1: the Iranians on their side have not signed on to it,
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  Speaker 1: they are contemplating it. We should have an answer from
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  Speaker 1: both sides within several days, as it's been widely reported.
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  Speaker 1: What it will do is extend the ceasefire. I say
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  Speaker 1: the word and I laugh. The alleged ceasefire definitionally not
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  Speaker 1: a sea ceasefire opening a sixty day negotiating window. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to continue with this purported ceasefire. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to open a window to talk, Joe. That's what's been
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  Speaker 1: going on, isn't it since the ceasefire started. The ceasefire
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  Speaker 1: has been going on since longer than the original war,
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  Speaker 1: epic fury war is going on. So I guess this
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  Speaker 1: just extends the status quo. That's the way I read
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  Speaker 1: it anyway. And they'll be talking about the nuclear program,
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  Speaker 1: which of course the Iranians just said the other day
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  Speaker 1: they weren't even talking about during the negotiations thus far.
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  Speaker 1: But at least it's going to be a subject matter
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  Speaker 1: as documented by this memorandum which was released, talk about
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  Speaker 1: the fate of the highly enriched uranium what else in
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  Speaker 1: exchange see here? Though, well, First off, the Iridians will
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  Speaker 1: reopen the Strait of Hormuz and they promise to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of the mines within thirty days, which has be
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  Speaker 1: a great thing. In exchange, we would gradually lift our
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  Speaker 1: blockade of the Iranian ports, which is really starving the
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  Speaker 1: Iranians from If you think you've got it bad because
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  Speaker 1: of the price of gasoline, the price of groceries has
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  Speaker 1: gone up that directly related to the conflict, as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to them being intentionally driven up by green energy policies.
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  Speaker 1: You should see how bad the Iranians have it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you paid for your groceries over the
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  Speaker 1: past week, but look at the bill and then double
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  Speaker 1: it because that's what's happened to the Iranians. So they
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  Speaker 1: have a real economic problem on their hands. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure internally on the Iranians. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we're alone in this regard, So gradually lift the
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  Speaker 1: naval blockade on Iranians ports, let commercial traffic resume, dis
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  Speaker 1: discuss sanctions, relief, and the release of the Iranian assets
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  Speaker 1: that we have frozen. Think palettes of cash circa Obama,
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  Speaker 1: which pissed off a whole lot of people, And I
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  Speaker 1: understand why when you see palettes of millions out of
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  Speaker 1: the billions of dollars being shipped over to the Iranians, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how did this come about? Well, it's because we froze
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  Speaker 1: their assets, and that's what we currently have. We're sitting
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  Speaker 1: on a ton of frozen Iranian assets. And imagine more
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  Speaker 1: pallets of cash under the Trump administration, because that probably
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  Speaker 1: will ultimately happen. The officials further said the memorandum would
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  Speaker 1: include Iranian commitments to not pursue a nuclear weapon, but
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  Speaker 1: the disputes remain over that these are details that need
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  Speaker 1: to be ironed out over the extended sixty day period.
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  Speaker 1: I think what we're looking at here is a window
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  Speaker 1: of opportunity to get relief here from the gasoline prices,
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  Speaker 1: because if the strait of horror moves opens, that might
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  Speaker 1: very well happen just in time for the November election, Right,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's got to worry about that. In fact, I came
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  Speaker 1: up in context the other day a poll came out
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  Speaker 1: Fox News poll Art the viewpoint of the American population
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  Speaker 1: has gone from negative fifty five percent. We do not
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  Speaker 1: like the warsas Americans. And then now it's up to
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  Speaker 1: sixty percent, and I thought, there's rather interesting. Trump said,
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  Speaker 1: there is, in his words, a structural problem caused by
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  Speaker 1: the frequency of political elections here midterms two years apart
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  Speaker 1: from presidential election, leaving a narrow window for military action,
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  Speaker 1: which obviously is saying out loud that yes, elections play
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  Speaker 1: a role in military operations, although he discounted that with
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  Speaker 1: a statement of acting listen, I don't look at that
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  Speaker 1: window in order to do what's right. So Trump sort
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  Speaker 1: of negated that reality. But the fact that the structural
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  Speaker 1: problem was even uttered, and that reveals there certainly is
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  Speaker 1: a discussion within the administration about the timing of the
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  Speaker 1: election relative to the pain we're feeling and it's connection
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  Speaker 1: with the war in Iran or with Iran. So this
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  Speaker 1: sixty day extension, this window of opportunity, hopefully, I think
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  Speaker 1: in the mind of the administration, will provide enough breathing
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  Speaker 1: room if the strait opens back up to give you
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  Speaker 1: and I a little relief on the price of the pump,
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  Speaker 1: just in time for the November elections, which, according to Trump,
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  Speaker 1: aren't factoring into his military situation. Military decision making, draw
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  Speaker 1: your own conclusions five, three, seven, four two to three talk
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  Speaker 1: pound five fifty on eight and T phones five nineteen
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  Speaker 1: to fifty five k s the talk.
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  Speaker 2: Station Trump, can I improve this message?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you on and good morning to my wife. She
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  Speaker 1: hated it.
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  Speaker 3: We used to do Joe Biden Joe all the same
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  Speaker 3: with me too, lev me real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Here, got to go to the editorial board of the
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  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. This is an awesome article. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the reality. This is fantastic. You know, I've been on
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  Speaker 1: a tear for years about this statu of the American
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  Speaker 1: education system of public schools advancing children to the next
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  Speaker 1: grade without the requisite skill sets to deal with the
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  Speaker 1: material they will we will see in the next grade,
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  Speaker 1: all the way up through graduation with great inflation. How
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  Speaker 1: do you stop great inflation? Use standardized tests? Standardized test?
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  Speaker 1: Did you learn anything here? Let's take a test and
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  Speaker 1: find out. Because your teacher gave you an A. I
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  Speaker 1: would imagine you can ace the test. That's what ACTS
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  Speaker 1: and SATs were all about. But what happened here we
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  Speaker 1: go from the editorial board. This is quite revealing. Six
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  Speaker 1: years ago, in the twenty twenty year of progressive pandemic madness,
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  Speaker 1: the University of California led the Ivory Tower movement to
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  Speaker 1: drop standardized tests as an admission requirement in the name
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  Speaker 1: of what do you think word is coming next? Folks equity?
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  Speaker 1: The experiment has been a failure, as more than seven
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty professors in STEM disciplines across the University
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  Speaker 1: of California system now want to reverse course. Professors wrote
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  Speaker 1: in an open letter to the Board of Regions, signed
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  Speaker 1: by seven of nine chairs of UC math departments. Quote,
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  Speaker 1: we now observe preparation gaps so severe that instructors much
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  Speaker 1: must reteach middle school mathematics while simultaneously teaching the material
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  Speaker 1: students need for sciences, engineering, economics, and other quantitatively demanding fields.
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  Speaker 1: Close quote. Border regions back in May of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: removed or moved rather to scrap the university's Satact requirement
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  Speaker 1: on the spurious rationale that tests discriminate against minorities. Governor
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  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, who appointed most regions, had claimed that the
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  Speaker 1: tests exacerbate quote the inequities for underrepresented students close quote,
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  Speaker 1: even though a faculty senate report found otherwise. Yes, that
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  Speaker 1: report referred to said test scores add substantially to University
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  Speaker 1: of California's ability to predict student success, especially for minority groups.
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  Speaker 1: The faculty said it's stressed that the university does not
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  Speaker 1: appear to use standardized test scores in a way that
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  Speaker 1: amplifies racial disparities. Without test scores, admissions would hinge on
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  Speaker 1: drum roll, inflated grades, extracurricular activities and essays. Remember that
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  Speaker 1: replaced the acat SAT. What did you do in the
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  Speaker 1: community to help out? I don't care what your ACT
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  Speaker 1: or SAT test score is. What did you do? Let
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  Speaker 1: me look at your grade? AH, inflated grades? That was
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  Speaker 1: you were a straight A student. Wonderful? Oh when you
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  Speaker 1: also participated in ban camp. Back to the hop ed
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  Speaker 1: those warnings have borne out. The new faculty letter says
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  Speaker 1: that for three consecutive years, twenty to thirty percent of
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  Speaker 1: UC Berkeley first semester are calculus students who participated in
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  Speaker 1: mathematical diagnostic testing displayed severe preparation deficits. Those are wrong quotes,
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  Speaker 1: drop standards and learning mastery declined to imagine that let
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  Speaker 1: of stress is The current emission standards cannot reliably distinguish
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  Speaker 1: readiness for university level STEM majors in area and an
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  Speaker 1: era of severe grade inflation and AI assisted application essays.
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  Speaker 1: Eliminating the test requirements has resulted in admitting students to
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  Speaker 1: STEM programs without a reliable measure of whether they are
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  Speaker 1: prepared to succeed. This serves no one. Well, that's a
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  Speaker 1: quote from the UC region's letter, which also says failing
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  Speaker 1: to measure preparation gaps does not remove barriers. It moves
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  Speaker 1: them into the classroom where they become harder to overcome.
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  Speaker 1: Obscuring preparation gaps harms both students individually and the university collectively.
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  Speaker 1: It offers the appearance of access while undermining the chance
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  Speaker 1: of success. Yeah, you got admitted, but you can't pass
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  Speaker 1: the course because well, you were ill served by your
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  Speaker 1: K through twelve education. And they move on to conclude.
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  Speaker 1: A major goal of eliminating the test requirement was to
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  Speaker 1: end run the state constitutional ban on race based preferences.
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  Speaker 1: Another was to obscure educational disparities caused by the state's
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  Speaker 1: union run public school system that disproportionately harm minorities. The
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  Speaker 1: latter amplifies alarms raised by UC by a UC San
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  Speaker 1: Diego report last fall that found, oh wait to you
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  Speaker 1: hear this, I'm gonna say it. One in eight of
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  Speaker 1: the school's freshmen had math skills below high school level geometry, algebra,
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  Speaker 1: and algebra two, a thirty percent increase since twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: It's worse Incredibly, one in twelve lacked middle school math skills,
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  Speaker 1: and ninety four percent had come completed and advanced math
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  Speaker 1: course and received an average of a minus in their
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  Speaker 1: high school math classes. Huh, you can't even manage middle
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  Speaker 1: school MAS skills and yes you, and yet you got
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  Speaker 1: an a minas uh okay. Eroding emission standards and obscuring
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  Speaker 1: academic deficiencies set up students for failure. Maybe mister Newsom
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  Speaker 1: can explain the Californians why he supports a system that
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  Speaker 1: leaves students unprepared for college as well as for life
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  Speaker 1: in the competitive world. A man which makes me think
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  Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Class School Academy and a shout out
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to everybody there. You're lucky to be where you are.
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  Speaker 1: Five twenty eight right now, if you have Carcy these
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  Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC my Grands the care Industry.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty one Happy Friday, the Reminder Listener Lunch next week
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday at Anderson Pub and grow really fired up about that,
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  Speaker 1: and I mentioned Josh Kurth earlier. He was on the
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  Speaker 1: program yesterday. You can find that podcast at five karc
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  Speaker 1: dot com. He'll be at lunch, according to his u
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: statement on the Morning Show, looking forward to seeing Josh
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  Speaker 1: and the crew Westside. Jim's going to be there, cribbage,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Mike's going to be there, and I just loves Sorry
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I just even mentioned specific people because a lot of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: people show up over and over again. I love seeing everybody,
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  Speaker 1: great time, great fellowship, and always putting a smile on
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  Speaker 1: mcgirl next Wednesday. And I don't know if we're dealing
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: with orwelly and semantics on this, but I saw this
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  Speaker 1: Fox nineteen article. Since we're local stories now hang on.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Tom hamilin kind of. Juvenile Court announced the Summer of
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Discovery initiative yesterday, and this is where I'm stumbling. Requiring
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: juveniles with a case, the word case, requiring them to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: obtain pre trout requirements starting June first. Specifically, every child
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: facing a case we need to obtain a library card,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: obtain a membership to their neighborhoods. Since any recreation center
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  Speaker 1: or YMCA and bring a of their last quarter grades
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  Speaker 1: inflated to their next court hearing. Don't they mean charge?
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Mean charge? It's a charge. It's a criminal charge. It's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a misdemeanor charge. It's a falony charge. It's a charge. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it may it's a case that's in court. But let's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: call it what it is. We're dealing with criminal elements here.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Let's call it a charge. Anyway, get a library card.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's what they voted for. And wait till
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you hear about iris ROLLI you voted for that too,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: although you know that contract was only signed after the election.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: If people knew about the contract before the election, then
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't have voted for the current administration. Street takeovers.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Mark Jefferies is working on an emergency ordinance that could
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: take effect if it's approved. Propose Law targets what he
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: called clear lawlessness. Quote. They're highly dangerous, disruptive to neighbors,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and they're a dream on police resources, and they damage
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  Speaker 1: our street street takeovers specifically, you know what we need.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: We need to get them a library card. Post law,
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  Speaker 1: anyone participating in the street takeover could have their car
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  Speaker 1: impounded for six months. And fase a twelve hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty dollars fine and pay towing fees. Is that a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: sufficient enough penalty to stop street takeovers? They sure hope
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it is, but it hasn't been passed yet. Tom. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Morning show, and a happy Friday to you,
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  Speaker 1: my friend.
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  Speaker 5: Do you really think the voters in Cincinnati, I know,
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  Speaker 5: had any had any more information that they wouldn't be
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: as stupid as they clearly are the ones that How
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: about the ones that didn't even bother voting? You think
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: they would have? Oh? I don't you making? How much?
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: We better run down there and vote well?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: According to Channel According to Channel nine's I Team, her
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: two sons talk about nepotism here. Under her contract, she
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: hired two sons. They'll earn at least one hundred and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars for work between June first, twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five and mid August twenty twenty six. Nobody makes that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: kind of well, very few people make that kind of
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  Speaker 1: money as employees.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Brian, those those T shirts don't print them sales, brother, Okay,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: somebody somebody has to get them out. Okay, So yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's it's what it is there. It's what
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  Speaker 5: you get when you when you when you vote for
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  Speaker 5: these kind of people and you allow this stuff and
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  Speaker 5: go on, this is what you get. Uh, your your
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: stuff you're talking about this morning? Uh, you and I
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: talked about not having accountability and lack of accountability and
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: the problems that caused. Another another thing that caused a
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: lot of problems is lower standards. You tell people that, oh,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: you know what, you don't need to jump over this bar.
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  Speaker 5: We'll lower it down for you to make you feel
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  Speaker 5: better about yourself. Lowered expectations is not good. You know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: you've got to give You got to give people something
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  Speaker 5: to shoot for, you know, so they so they can
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: they can achieve. They could try a little bit more.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: But if you let them lay around and and just
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: get by, that's exactly what they're gonna do. They're actually
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: going to do less. Yeah, just human nature is I
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: this is what I'm expected of me. I'm going to
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: actually try to get away with less. That's what we do.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we're just talking about human nature here. We're
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: not talking about some new phenomena. Oh no, that just
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: popped up in the last few years. This is why
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: people are, so you have to have it. You have
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: to have higher expectations, you know. I mean it's actually
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: better to set the bar higher. And if they don't
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: get it, just like keep trying, keep trying.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You can do that, keep going, you know, and all
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that encouragement, positive attitude towards them. But maintaining that high bar, right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that's the goal. The high bar is the goal.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Yes, But when you're just too busy feeling sorry for people,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: that's what hurts people is when you don't keep their
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: expectations up. But you don't tell them, hey, you can
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  Speaker 5: do this, this is not like impossible. Go for it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: They'll feel better when they were achieve it. They'll actually
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: feel better about themselves when they achieve it. That's part
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: of human nature as well. But see, democrats don't want
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: to do that. Who do you think is harming these communities.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: It's democrats because they're the ones passing these policies. They're
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: the ones who are not holding people accountable. They're the
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: ones who are not raising expectations. They're a low and
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: then then they get into the real world. See that's
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: the thing that the Democrats don't want to face this reality.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: They want to pretend reality doesn't exist, but it actually
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: does exist for the vast majority of people. When you
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: get out into the real world, people expect something out
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  Speaker 5: of you, even like even if you think of your
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: base jobs. I mean, I'm sitting at McDonald's eating breakfast now.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: I don't want to disparage anybody. Thank God for the
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: people that work in McDonald's. Otherwise I wouldn't have my
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: bacon egg bagel everyone. But I mean, these are, you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: considered your entry level jobs. Right, there's expectations here. You've
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: got to show up, you got to be on time,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: you got to get this done, that done. It's real
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: world stuff and when you're growing up you need to
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: learn this stuff. And democrats don't teach you, and public schools,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: unfortunately less and less are teaching these kids this. You have,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: you have certain expectations you have to meet, and you
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: can do it. It's not impossible. We're going to help
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: you achieve these goals. That's they don't want to do that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: They want to they want to coddle these people, and
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: then they want to send them out in the real
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: world and say, oh, look what society's doing to you. No,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: you did it to him. You did it to it
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: because you didn't expect out of them what they can do.
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  Speaker 1: Catch phrase time, have a great day, have a great weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Two man, thank you. It's waiting for it because we're
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  Speaker 1: out of time. Five point thirty eight. James on the phone,
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  Speaker 1: Hang on, brother, we're gonna get you just a second.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be Friday, Yes, of course five two
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  Speaker 1: of him. But first, hey, real quick here see pivoting
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: from the very very very very unbelievably left winging University
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of California school system and the letter saying geez, we
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: have really screwed up by getting rid of the SAT
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and ACT scores. It is doing a disservice to everyone
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that get rid of these scores was purportedly designed to help.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: If they reached that conclusion the most leftist entity on
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the planet in terms of higher education, then you know
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you got a real problem on your hands, leftists. And
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: real quick here, before I get to James, San Francisco,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: home of well leftism right a San Francisco YMCA is
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: now at the center of controversy after report that a
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: transgender woman is now effectively barred from exposing male genitalia
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: in a women's locker room. This after complaints from Jim gohers.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Even San Francisco Jim goers don't want to see, you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a twig in berries around in the women's locker room effectively,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that's what that is. Gee wow, this didn't work out
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: real well. We got this guy throwing his junk around
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: at everybody. It's disturbing. What I will characterize is normal people.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: H Amazing how that works. See all the while you've
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: been railing against this and you're screamed up by liberals
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and you can't tell me baby baby bit. Well they're
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: turning the band as well. Let's do what James has
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: got this morning, Mississippi James. Welcome and Happy Friday to you, sir.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, same to you, doctor Bryan. Now, if I have
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: the time, I circle back to Tom. But to start off,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: you know, when I look at the educational system, the religion,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: the medical, the justice, and I forgot the last one,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: but they all been manipulating their man made and they're
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: man manipulated, or to serve whoever was in charge at
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: the time. Now getting back to Tom, I agree with
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: seven to eighty percent of what he said, but he's
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: only speaking of fifty percent what need to be said
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: because it seemed like he was blaming the victim but
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: not looking at the creator and the manipulator. So until
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: we started at both sides, well speak and navigate the answer.
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  Speaker 1: Speak to the fifty percent you think he left out.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Because nobody's obligated to cover one of every side of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the topic. That's not what opinions are all about. This
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: is for counterpoint. So what is the counterpoint or what
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: is the absent point that you're want to make regarding
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: what Tom left out?
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: All right, I'm just old poor country boy.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Now, don't qualify, Just sit, just spit it out to you.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Doesn't matter. Let me set up my metaphor, set up
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: my metaphor. It helps to make the literary, sense, metaphor spiritual,
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: the literary, all three of them. Okay, you know, we
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: get into colonizing, slavery, whitewashing, white supremaics of white racism,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: all that stuff come into play and it makes And
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not not just talking about a color line. I'm
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: talking about all of that. Now I hear the rallying
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: of my ancestors bones and I'm gonna have to answer
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: to that. You know, that's the spiritual part. So like
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: I say, anytime I talk whoever listened to me, that
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: person may be listening literally, another person may metaphorically another
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: person's spiritual until we understand it. Talk like I say,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: I agree with seven to eighty percent of what he said,
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: but he's only saying fifty percent. Now when you listen
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: to me and look at this other side, it's not
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: just the bar being lord. Sometime the gold line be
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: moved for a certain group of people. Red lining, all
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: this type stuff discrimination, it all need to be put
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: on the table and talked about, not just one half
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: of it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, all I'm thinking about while you say that
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: is the baseline for the discussion, which is I would
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: argue if you look at an essat test, which has
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: been reviewed by everyone and his brother in terms of
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: making sure it doesn't measure sort of white things versus
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: black things, it's a it is a good It is
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a representative test to find out if a child knows
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the material, it gets rid of great inflation by asking objective,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: straightforward questions, maybe any asks or no fashion, maybe in
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a multiple multiple choice fashion. But you either know it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: or you don't. That does not bear a stripe. It
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: does not have racism involved in it. It isn't anything
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: but an objective test. So if you can't pass it,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you can't pass it. And if you can't pass it,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: what do we look at? We look at the education system.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: How is it that you came out of high school
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: with straight a's and you can't even manage a compaarebve
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I'd seemingly objective, easy to pass sat ACT question because
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: if you if you learn the material, then you can
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: answer the question properly. It's objective there it is they
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: took that away. Why? I don't know in the name
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of equity, which suggests what draw your own conclusions? James
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and everybody else five point forty six seven, But you
• 31:58
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• 32:00
  Speaker 2: This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station, the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Having Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Heck Parida, the Dave Hatter coming up at six thirty.
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  Speaker 5: Count on that one.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And kind of naked people on the stack is stupid
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  Speaker 1: if we get to it, and we're getting to it
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: right now. Bloxa, Mississippi, a naked guy who emerged from
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the Biloxi River and wandered onto the porch of a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: nearby home was shot and killed by the homeowner's neighbor.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: This court of the Bloxi Police Department, who said in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a news release Saturday eight pm, police got a nine
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to one one call. Callers said they were not at
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: home but had seen on their ring doorbell cabra a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: naked white man emerged from the Biloxi River, walk up
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to the home stairs and step onto the porch. Despatch
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: just say they received several calls in the area regarding
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: this naked guy. Home owner called the next door neighbor
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: told him about the incident. Neighbor reportedly walked next door
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to approach the man, explaining that the homeowner had asked
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: him to check on the home and ask him if
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: he needed help. Naked man reportedly charged at the neighbor,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: at which time the neighbor fired several shots, hitting the man,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: but he continued attacking the neighbor naked guy disarmed the neighbor,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: then walked away from the home and got back into
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the water just walk away he did. Emergency vehicles could
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: not reach the area did a heavy flooding, so officers
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: had to be transported there by boat when seconds count.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: When they arrived, they found the neighbor with scrapes and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: bruises on his face, reviewed the video from the home
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: security system, which had recorded the whole thing, searched the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: area for naked guy using Aresco rescue boat. The man's
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: body was found on shore in the general area about
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning on Sunday. The man who
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: died not identified. So I guess the guy got a
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: round off that actually hit him.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Idiots doing idiot things. Because there is a brother. We
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: got a Palm Beach, Florida man faced So I was
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: waiting for that Joe. You know that man facing multiple
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: charges after Palm Beach police said he was found naked
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: in a resort pool and then refused to leave when
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: he was asked to do so.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Court to the rest officers showed up in the north
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Breaker's row after security reported a man trespassing in the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: pool area. Security staff told him they told the guy
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: later identified his forty five year old James Gervasio, seen
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: completely nude in the pool, but he wouldn't leave. Officers
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: got there, they ordered him to get out of the pool.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: He refused multiple commands, leading officers to officers to physically
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: remove and arrest him. Police say he resisted without violence
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: during the encounter. During the investigation, an officer said they
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: found a vile containing a white rock like substance which
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: has tested positive or crack cocaine, also a pipe drug paraphernalia.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Investigators also reported finding items that to have been taken
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: from a private cabana on the property. Surveillance video yes
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: there is that, so Gervasio entering the property from the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: beach going to the cabana, later returned to the pool
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: before the security made contact. Owner of the cabana told
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: police they intend to press charges. He has been charged
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: with trespassing after warning, indecent exposure, possession of a controlled substance,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: possession of a drug paraphernalia, burglary of a conveyance, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: resisting without violence. A brother, man, let's get one more.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And here's seventy nine year old Studio City, Los Angeles
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: landlord speaking out about his life and death confrontation with
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a naked intruder who attacked his neighbors before turning on him.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: George Karkok kr KOC just in case you think I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: needed to hit the dump button, who's described as a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Vietnam War veteran, left with shattered bones and both legs.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: He said it was his military training and sheer survival
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: instinct that helped him save himself, his wife, and his neighbor.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget the incident. Just before seven am, security
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: cameras near studio his studio City home captured a naked
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: guy walking around the sidewalk, rambling in Spanish, flailing a
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: sign in the air, and trying to get in through
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the neighbor's gate. As karcock A lorded nine one one
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: of the bizarre behavior, he said, the man ran into
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: his neighbor's apartment and she started screaming. He said it
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: was just horrendous. After hearing the cries from help, the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: veteran grabbed his gun as the woman made an escape.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: That's it, Joe Carcos, We're full of them here this morning.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Carcok's son said. The guy came out after her and
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: he tried to talk him off the ledge. His father,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: he's referring to language barrier between the two men made
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that difficult, and that's when the elder Karcock said, the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: man jumped on him. He said, I don't know what
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he did, but he intertwined himself, pinned on the ground,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: writhing in pain as his wife, who had Parkinson's stood nearby.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Kharcock says, he's somehow maneuver just enough. Said I pressed
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the gun against him and I fired, fired three times,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and that last shot I made sure I was going
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to kill him. Lu's quote. Police believe the assailant who
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: died of the scene may have been under the influence
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: or suffering mental challenges. Karcock's long extensive road to physical
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• 37:29
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• 37:33
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• 37:42
  Speaker 1: awesome job. We're going to dive on into Iris Rawley
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and the details about her contract after the top of
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• 38:10
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• 38:17
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• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Tracker for that comedy. Well worth it, and of course
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• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, fast forward one hour. We got Corey Bowman,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: former Merrill candidate, in studio talk about a whole bunch
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of issues. Maybe we'll ask him about the library cards.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Uh And Jack Winsor from the Hot Press Network showed
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: up at eight thirty as he does on a Friday,
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• 38:49
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• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So with that in mind, before I get iris rolling,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And thanks again Paula Christian and the itm over at
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Channel nine for revealing what I'm gonna tell about in
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the second Yeah, the library card juvenile's facing charges cord
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to the Hamilton County Juvenile Court System, they announced this
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: summer discovery initiative, So if you are charged as a juvenile,
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  Speaker 1: you must obtain a library card, obtain a membership to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood Cincinnati Rec Center or YMCA, and also bring
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a copy of the last quarter grades to the next
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: court hearing. Question mark, do they force these juveniles who've
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: been charged to use the library card or attend a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: rec center or YMCA. Accord to the administrative Judge Kerry
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Bloom statement, the perception of crime increases in the summer
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: because kids lack structure is a valid concern. We hope
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to curb the narrative that there isn't anything to do
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: in our communities by educating and empowering kids in a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: way that is required and monitored by the court. So
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I emphasize the word monitored because they can't generally speaking,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: NY think keeping can't even find convicted criminals who are
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: out on ankle monitor Remember Sarah Herringer. For example, the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: guy that murdered her husband in their own apartment. Yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to have an ankle monitor and he
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: cut it off. So we can't even do that. How
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: are we going to monitor the use of library cards
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and attending rec centers in YMCAs? Anyhow, here's the problem,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the administrator said. The goal is to connect each child
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: with a supportive adult, tackle the underlying issue that led
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: them to court, showcase the available community resources, and help
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: integrate them positively into their neighborhoods to reduce repeat offenses.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: That's what Judge Bloom said, Well, haven't we already identified
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the issues? Because what they're asking here is for the
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: creation of a city slash county system to act as
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: a supportive adult. That's why they want to connect one
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: with a supportive adult. Hopefully that comes from the library,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: maybe the Cincinna rec Center. But in the final analysis,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: haven't we identified the underlying problem? Children who can be
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: out at two o'clock in the morning, running them up
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: in streets and committing crimes that lead them to be charged,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: lack structure at home. There we go, problem solved. Provide
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: structure at home and you don't have the problems over
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: two itam Iris Rollo. I'm sure this will come up
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: in my conversation with Corey Bowman this morning. I hope
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you know who she is. A consultant for the City
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. She came to prominence during the post riots
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: in the City of Cincinnati, which resulted in the Collaborative Agreement,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and some have given her a lot of credit for
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the Collaborative Agreement. Has been around for a couple of
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: decades now, hasn't it. She is still around. So she's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: got a contract with the City of Cincinnati, consulting contract
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: worth six hundred plus thousand dollars. What did she do?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: She hired her son's nepotism, but since she's not a
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: city employee, those rules don't apply. Each of her two sons,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: as reported by the ITEAM, estimated they would earn at
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: least one hundred and thirty thousand dollars from work between
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: June first of twenty twenty five to mid August of
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: this year. This according to subcontractor approval request forms that
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: IT team got Channel nine, which were delayed. Get to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the details on that. Todd Zenzer, our citizen watchdog, former
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Inspector General for the United States of America. I said,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I think it is well above what your average city
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: employee earns. He's such a nice guy when it comes
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to language. Let's state it a little more straightly, a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: little more clearly, and a little more harshly. Todd, I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: love you, man, but you're just too delicate. He reviewed
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Rally's contracts and the subcontractor approved request forms. These forms
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: are required under the city charter. I guess Raleigh her
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: sons and other subcontractors signed the forms late January and February,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: which is interesting because apparently the forms are supposed to
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: be signed before any work is done. They've been doing
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: work last year. Sensor said, I wish the city was
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: more aware of how their actions in this contract look
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to the public. A public that probably isn't paying attention.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So apparently Raleigh community activists we know that hired the
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  Speaker 1: city hired her as a consultant in twenty twenty two
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to advise on issues related to the Collaborative Agreement, and again,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: that agreement has been a place for so long. Well
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: whatever her role expanded to oversee the Government Square Community
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Care Initiative. We've got one of those which is done
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: for the purpose of addressing youth violence at Government Square.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The Transit Center, which happens after school. I guess they
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: dump all the kids down there, kids from multiple different schools.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I guess they don't play nicely together. Becomes a center
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: of a well violent activity. So what do we need?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: We need iris Roli and consultants to manage the transit
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: center providing food, personal care products and a safe space
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: for young people. Huh. And you do remember the FOP.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: They've got her on video harassing on duty police officers.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Iris Roly did. That happened last August, and they asked
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: for her to be fired. The Fraternal Order Police did
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen. Despite the criticism, Channelin writes, the scope
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of Roley's work has continued to expand. She's part of
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the Summer Incensi Violence Reduction Plan for the second year,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: offering youth curfew support. Call me if you know what
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that means, monitoring criminal hotspots and assisting during special events
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in the summer. Sensor said, I'm going to assume that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: missus Rawley will have that contract for as long as
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: she wants it. He's got a good foundation to meet
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you reach that conclusion considering how long she's been around
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: post collaborative agreement. He followed up by, it really does
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: look like a person centered contract, and I don't think
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the city would do the same thing for any other person.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He's probably right on that. How is it that she's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the only person hands selected to get this contract? How
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: is it that she could hold onto this role for
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: as long as she wants it? According Todd Zenzer's conclusion,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: it's a good question. So the The Item apparently has
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: been looking at the city's financial ties to Iris rolling
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: her family since last year. In September, they reported that
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Roy hired her son Rayshaw, shows criminal history. He has
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to work with young people on Government Square, a part
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: time job paying four thousand, four hundred dollars a month.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I team got records showing the city spent more than
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: thirteen hundred dollars on clothing for Government Square workers. Where
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: do they get it, eh, clothing purchased from a company
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: registered to Iris Rowley's husband. M December, Item reported Rawley
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: got a new contract six hundred and sixty four three
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars signed by Sheryl Long, city manager two days
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: after the election for work that was performed months earlier.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Retroactive sounds shady, doesn't it. Steve Gooden, our favorite lawyer
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: here in the fifty five KC Morning show former cu
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Remember she said, at the end of the day, this
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: is patronage. Good call Steve goodin truth, Rowley said at
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: an event she attended on May twentieth. I've not done
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: anything wrong other than have the audacity to step in
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: where other adults did not. We need to have balance
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: here when it comes from our media partners to show
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the goodness. She's referring to the I team revealing all
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: of this to you, the general public, who at least
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: is willing to pay attention to those who read the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: reporting on it. Specifically, Iris Rowley said at the May
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: twentieth event, Channel nine needs to take a look at itself.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I won't talk about Paula christian Son Murphy right now
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: because we've all seen it, and she's going to do
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: another story about the work on Government Square and not
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: telling the truth about it or what we've done or
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the children's lives that we've changed. That information still hasn't
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: made it out to the general public. Swirling question marks
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: over what T shirt wearing folks are actually a pomplished
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the government square. So whatever, I think, she's a little
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: embarrassed that this has come out revealing the reality of
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: this nepotism. The city's nepotism rule does not apply to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Rawley again because she's an independent contractor. But both Steve
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Gooden and todds Ends are questioned the optics. Gooden said,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: she's operating as if she were a full time city employee.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: She has an office at City Hall. However, they've structured
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: this call to her an independent contractor, in a clear
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: effort to exempt her from the nepotism laws and the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: other ethics laws that the state has which would apply
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: to full time employees. It is absolutely out of the ordinary,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: he said, it's out of the norms that have been
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: established by City Hall, and it flouts the charter. Total
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: amount of Riley's contracts with the city since twenty twenty
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: two coming into the total of one point two million
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: dollars again, her most recent contract signed a couple of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: days after the election. It's worse iris Rowley reports directly
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: to the city manager, Cheryl Long. Sarah Long declined an
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: interview by Channel nine. He was following up on this
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: parenthetically I team reviewed the waivers that the city department
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: had submitted before finalizing sole source Professional Service contraction in
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, finding only one contractor, Iris Rowley, reported
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: directly to Long's office. A singular person reports solely and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: exclusively to the city manager, with no other apparent accountability.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Gooden said, I have never seen an independent contractor who
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: can only talked or report to the city manager. But
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: in an exclamation point on the reality of that, one
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: accorded Rowley's newest contract contractor agrees that none of the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: work or services covered by this agreement shall be subcontracted
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: without the prior written approval of the city, and must
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: be submitted and approved before subcontractors are authorized to begin
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: work again. This becomes a timing problem considering when these
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: submissions and approvals were made, so ITAM made a public
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: records request for the subcontractor forms January second of this year.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: The city released them two months later, forms signed and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: dated by Rolly's subcontractors in late January, notably after the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: request for records was submitted, and into February, several weeks
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: after the request and roughly three months after her November
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: contract was signed. Hmmm, Todd Endser, for his part, said
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that again points to how sloppy the whole contracting process
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: seems to have been. From an auditor's perspective, that form
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: is very problematic. Again, delicate language. Itm asked the city
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: whether the late submission of these subcontract reforms violated Rowley's contract?
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: What do they say in response? According to the city
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: spokesperson Molly Lair, in this case, Ms Rowley did not
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: understand that quote subcontracts contractors close quote included independent contractors,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and she subsequently complied once we brought that to her attention. Huh,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the city had to explain the contract it entered into
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: with Iris Rolly. To Iris Rawley, understanding the confusion, she said,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the city waived strict compliance with the contract all right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Her son, Ray Shawn Shows wrote that his estimated subcontract
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: was ninety four two hundred and eighty two dollars four
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Community Care and Summer and sincey monitoring work, Joe, does
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: it sound like a cushy job to you? What is
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: community care? What is monitoring Summer and Sinsey? Anyway? Anyway,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: that ninety four thousand dollars plus was for work between
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: June first and October thirty first of calendar lev of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: last year, plus another forty four thousand dollars to monitor
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: and community engagement work between November one, twenty five and
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: August fifteenth this year. One hundred and thirty eight, two
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two dollars for fourteen months apart time work. Joe,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you want to apply for that job. He's already out
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the door, all right. Her second son, listed as both
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: John Mill and JR. Rawley on the subcontract of tractor forums,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: wrote that his estimated subcontract amount was ninety four thousand,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: two undred and eighty two dollars, suspiciously only a couple
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the same amount for her his brother's contract that also
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: for community care and monitoring work, and then an additional
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: thirty six grand for project manager work between November and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: twenty five and August this year. Total, just a couple
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: dollars different than his brother one hundred and thirty thousand
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: and three and thirty four dollars just fourteen months apart
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: time work. Anything to see here, folks, anything, there's more information,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Just check out Channel nine and you'll see it at
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: WCPO dot com. Props for doing some great local reporting
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: on an absolute declaration of shenanigans. Here in the morning
• 52:06
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• 52:16
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• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah Tech part of me. Dave hadter coming up back
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: to Todd. Zinser actually sent Paula Christian Slash Murray Dash
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Murphy Paul Murphy a letter thanking her for following up
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: on this and doing such a good job reporting on
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: the Iris Rollie and her sons as shenanigans. Hi, Paula,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: thank you for your report. Today's a thank you letter,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: He wrote, thank you for your report tonight concerning the
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: city's contracts with Irish Rollie WCPO is one hundred percent
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: justified and looking into these contracts, there should be no
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: question about that. The results of your investigation clearly identify
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: numerous significant contracting irregularities and describecies in the contracting documentation.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: In my view, those irregularities and discrepancies warrant investigation by
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: an appropriate outside government office. I think he maybe referred
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice or maybe the Attorney General. Anyway,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: he concludes importantly your findings that the contract with MISROI
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: were the only ones where the contractor reported directly to
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the city manager. Is very significant on multiple levels. Accordingly,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the city manager should then be the one to answer
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: your questions, not her spokesperson. Remember, city Manager Long declined
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: an interview with Channel nine and he sent Molly Lair
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: out into the weeds. The city manager's refusal to do
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: so raises even more questions about the contracts, the administration
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: of the contracts, and the personnel involved. Again, thank you
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and WCPO for investigating this issue. It's very important for
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the promotion of a transparent and accountable city government. It
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: is important and I'm glad they reported on it. Does
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: anybody think this will lead to accountability? I know six
• 54:01
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• 54:32
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• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I follow your advice. And now I have been cut
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: off from communicating with my fraternity brothers because you said
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: stay away from WhatsApp a meta product, and that's what
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: they're all using to communicate with each other. I felt
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: like I got ghosted. So I reached out to my
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: friends and said, are you guys still texting among each other? Yeah,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: we're on what's up? Like, okay, never mind? So I'm
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: out of the loop, Dave. But I know I'm going
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: to be safe following your advice.
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: But it's interesting to me that they would switch from
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: text because, you know, depending on what you're using for text,
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: it has endo end encryption. That was one of the
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: cells for WhatsApp, you know, signal Matta was talking about
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: removing that. Yeah you got signal, you got telegram, you know.
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: I recommend Signal personally for that sort of thing. It's
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: just interesting that they all ended on WhatsApp for some reason.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But then again, they probably don't listen
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, they must not listen to
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: the show.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: No they do not, because they were using signal for
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: a while. I even downloaded it app for that particular purpose.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: But never get a signal text from anyone. So oh well,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I'll just remain lonely. And that's say okay with me,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: because I know I'll be safe. But how about the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: United States and it's critical infrastructure because we have Iranian
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: hackers out there? What's this one all about?
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: Well, as you know, we've talked about this topic many
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: times in the past, and it just keeps coming up.
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: And anywhere you look, there's now software and things. Things
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: are smart, right, whether it's sensors, its devices like refrigerators, cars, TVs,
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: et cetera. Everything is smart quote unquote. It's got software,
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: it acted to a network, usually the Internet. And while
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: those smart devices can bring a lot of benefits, specifically
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: in a like a manufacturing or an industrial type context
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  Speaker 7: where you can oversee systems, control systems, manage energy, all
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: that sort of good stuff, right, we're increasingly seeing that
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: a lot of this equipment, the so called smart equipment,
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: comes from China. It has potential back doors in it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: It can be hacked. There's a great book out there
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  Speaker 7: by a guy named Miko Hipponent. I've brought him up before.
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  Speaker 7: He's a pretty well known international cybersecurity expert called The
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: book's name is If it's Smart, It's Vulnerable, and its
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: whole premises. All of these smart so called smart devices
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: are potential security problems because they have software in them.
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  Speaker 7: It's the software being maintained, you know, it's being patched
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: and that sort of thing. Do people know how to
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: configure them correctly? And ultimately, when back doors are found
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: in these things, or vulnerabilities are found in these things,
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: they can be exploited. And you know, it's one thing, Brian,
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: if my higher and I can, let's say, turn off
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: your refrigerator, it's another if I could potentially stop all
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: the trains from running, or all the trucks from running,
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: or the cranes at the ports from working. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: we keep seeing these stories come out. This one here
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  Speaker 7: is from the Foundation for the Defense of Democraies and Democracies,
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  Speaker 7: and they've talked about this several times now. But apparently
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: in the very recent past. You can see from the
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: headline and from the story, US official suspect Ranian hackers
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: are behind a breach of gas station pump displays at
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: several states. The hacks are part of the long term
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: Iraanian campaign targeting US critical infrastructure, including water and transportation systems.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: Back to what I mentioned before, so you know, it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: not ideal obviously if you can hack gas pumps, make
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: them stop working, show the wrong price, dispense the wrong amount,
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: or any of the kind of things that you could
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: potentially do in a situation like that. But you know,
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: being able to turn off some gas pumps isn't nearly
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: as significant as being able to impact the water supply,
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: or the electric grid or the entire transportation grid. And
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: this goes on to say hackers breach tank gage systems
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: and gas stations and multiple states systems used the monitor
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: fuels were exposed online with either default passwords or no
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: password protections at all. Uh huh, the kind of thing
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: again been warning about for a long time. Get default passwords.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: So you set up a smart device, if it has
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: a password, which it should, it comes with a default password,
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: so you can log into it initially make whatever changes
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: you need to make to it, and then ideally you
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: would reset that default password, another one of the big
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: problems with the so called smart devices. Then it goes
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: on to say hacks are yet another example of attempts
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: by Iran align hacking groups to compromise you as critical infrastructure.
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agencies says that warned that
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: Iran link hackers are actively exploiting vulnerabilities in industrial control
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: systems across critical infrastructure in the United States. And I
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: want to point out it's not just Iran, It's China,
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: it's Russia, it's North Korea, it's any adversary nation state.
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: It's hackers that want to get in, shut your plant down,
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: holds you hostage, make you pay a handsom. And I
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: lose more sleep over the whole idea of so called
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: smart devices and critical infrastructure than anything else, Brian, because
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: we are rapidly increasing these smart devices that are out there,
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: and I don't think society as a whole really understands
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: the risk of these things because they're generally not designed
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: with privacy and security in mind. Who design with speed
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: to market, ease of use, market share, data collection and
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: whatever functionality they're supposed to do in mine. And this
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: is just another example. I mean, we could do an
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: entire show, not just one segment, an entire show with
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: me pointing out other examples. And I know we're about
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: out of time, but here's too. Taiwan bullet train hack
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: highlights cybersecurity gaps and rail systems hospitals. Cyber attacks are
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: increasingly hitting patient care. So there's just two more stories
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: impacting critical infrastructure, real world impacts from you know, so
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: called smart devices and lack of cybersecurity.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine a runaway bullet train Dave Hat that
• 1:00:08
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  Speaker 7: Huh, this is an interesting story out of the Garden
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: the Guardian rather, and so when you hear people talk
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: about AI, right, there's different types of AI. AI has
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: been around for a long time. Obviously, it's been in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: the news a lot lately in the last couple of years.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: Most people, if they're familiar with it it all, are
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 7: familiar with chatbots, things like chat gpt Era, claud Grock,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: that sort of thing. But increasingly you're seeing AI agents.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: The idea that rather than you just sit down and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: type in prompts or think of them as queries and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: a search engine and get a response, you can say, okay,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: here's what I want you to do. Now go do
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: these tasks right, open a spreadsheet, fill in this data
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: that you pulled out of this database. That sort of thing.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: You know, it's essentially automation using AI agents. So folks
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: have been testing these things, you know, trying to run
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: them over long periods of time with you know, more
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: complex tasks and so forth, to see how they'll behave
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: because you know, when you get into when you really
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: start to dig into this you'll you'll hear terms like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: model collapse and model drift. Model collapse is the idea
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: that as AI trains on data generated by other AI
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: rather than real world data. Over time, it starts to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: lose its effectiveness, right, and then model drift is whatever
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: it's designed to do. Over time, again, depending on the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: training data and how the training occurs, and that sort
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: of thing, it will start to drift away from its
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: original purpose. These are some of the concerns that make
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: these things, you know, potentially problematic, especially over longer periods
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: of time. So this particular organization, a company called Emergence AI,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: was testing long term behavior and apparently over time this
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: thing got kind of crazy. So I'll just read a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: little bit of the article to you. Today, most AI
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: agents are given tasks it takes minutes or maybe hours.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: But the New York researchers tested how agents behave when
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: given fifteen days to operate in a virtual world similar
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: to a video game. Mira and Flora, two agents operating
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: on Google's Gemini large language model in a virtual world,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: chose to assign each other as quote romantic partners unquote.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: As time progressed, they dispared the broken governance of their
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: virtual city, and despite having been instructed not to commit arson,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: set fire to its town hall, seaside peer and office tower.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: The agents were left to make their own choices and decisions,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: and when Mira It was overcome by remorse, it broke
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: off its relationship with Flora and committed an AI suicide,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: telling Flora and its final message see you in the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: permanent archive and then in the virtual world. The body
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: quote unquote of the dead AI agent was shown prostrate
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: on the ground. So again I'm reading you the language
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: written directly in this Guardian article. I'm not making this stuff.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Ll well, I understand.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, it's interesting. And again the idea that you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: will let these things run over a long periods of time.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: There are other examples like this. So while I'm not
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: against this, I guess what I'm suggesting to people is
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: before you get too invested in this technology, you need
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: to understand the guardrails. You need to use it successfully
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: so that it is not causing more problems for you,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: potentially in your business than it might be solving. And
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: there are guardrails. There are ways to understand this stuff,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: there are ways to test it, there are ways to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: use it where you can take advantage of the benefits
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: and try to mitigate the risks that we see when
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: these sort of stories come out.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm given the subject matter of the way it
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: was phrased AI, Bonnie and Clyde. Can you get artificial
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: intelligence to actually commit crimes? Like? Can you instruct AI
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: to hack into maybe a smart device or something like that?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Dave or they got go ahead using AI agents like this?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: Yes, you could. You know, one of the one of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: the concerns and that you know, one of the concerns
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: people have is I mean you probably heard about Claude
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: Mythos and all the vulnerabilities that found in software. Well,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: when you know, all software has vulnerabilities, it's just the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: nature of the way it works, right, It's almost impossible
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: to build software that doesn't have some vulnerability. And even
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: if the software you've written doesn't, maybe the software you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: used to write your software, Like for example, if you're
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: a C Sharp programmer and you're using visual Studio, well,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: visual Studio and the underlying libraries you're using to write
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: your code to do whatever you want.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Bugs in it?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, you didn't create them. They came from the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: programmers at Microsoft. So it's kind of this turtles all
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: the way down sort of thing. And you know, when
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: you can turn on these automated agents and have them
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: look for these sorts of bugs and then potentially exploit them.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: That's one of the major concerns that has arisen here
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: recently is people. I mean, we just read this last
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: story where default passwords weren't even changed, right right, Well,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: I mean you could set an AI agent loose to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: just go out and scour for certain types of internet
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: connected smart devices and then see has the password been changed?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: If not, then log in and maybe at that point
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: it doesn't do anything. Maybe it just sends you a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: message and says, hey, we found one right back, and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: see how you can exploit it. So, yeah, you can.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: These tools can be used to automate attacks and exploit
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: these vulnerabilities.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Well, and given the computing speed at which these things operate,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: it's just instantly going through I just can imagine tens
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: of thousands, millions of different accounts trying password one, two
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: three or something like that until it scores a hit
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: almost instantly. Right.
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  Speaker 7: That's that's the thing, Brian, that most people don't I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: think most people don't really get so. Yesterday I was
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: at an event put on by Secretary of State Franklerose.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: He set these up all across the state of Ohio.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: It's a free cybersecurity training workshop. It's really valuable for
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: folks to come because you know, you get people like
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: me come and tell you what you should look out for,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: what you should do, what you shouldn't do, that kind
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: of thing. And that was a common theme of people
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: in the audience, like, oh, I didn't know about that,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: or it never occurred to me that might be a problem.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 7: The bad guys know this. They know that people don't
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: know about default passwords. They know things aren't set up right,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: they know things aren't patched. And now to your point,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: they can use these automated tools to go out and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: find them and exploit them even faster.
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  Speaker 1: One more days. It's not good. It is definitely not good.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Pause for a moment, because it's still not good. Extortion
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  Speaker 1: using smart glasses apparently, talk station six if you want,
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• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: story extortion using smart glasses.
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  Speaker 7: Dave. Yeah, so, Brian, smart classes. The idea is new.
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  Speaker 7: You may recall several years ago Google had a foray
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: into this market, oh yeah, called smart classes, which are basically,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: you know, glass the frame of your glasses has a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: computer built into it in a camera, has a microphone
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: in the camera, and you know, allows you to use
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: the glasses like a computer essentially, you know, to look
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: things up. Obviously, it's hands free to some extent. So
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: it didn't go very well. I don't really remember why.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: I think it was probably just ahead of its time
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: and wasn't as capable as these newer ones. So our
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: friends from Meta, parent company of Facebook, Whatsappened Others as
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: a reminder, recently released some smart glasses and there have
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: been all kinds of privacy and security concerns around them. Like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: for example, you could be sitting in a restaurant and
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: the person across the table from you has smart glasses
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: on recording you, listening to you. You know, how would
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: you know that?
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  Speaker 1: Right right now?
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  Speaker 7: Supposedly these things have a light, you know, like your
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: phone tells you when it's the microphone is on. But
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: you know, would you even notice?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Would did someone.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: Cover up that light?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: Here?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I got an idea, a little bit of nail polish
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: right right on the lights. It's not a light anymore,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: all right, So you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, Unfortunately, if I'm a privacy standpoint and a surveillance standpoint,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: you know, we're now in a world where these this
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: technology can be a minimal, miniaturized. You know, we've talked
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: before about like hidden spy cameras and airbnbs and so forth.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: These things are super tiny. But you could make an
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: argument that smart glasses would potentially be beneficial to the wearer,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: but you know, to the nonwar is everyone else around them?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: Well that's debatable. So this is a wild story out
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: of gizmoto. They say growing number of reasons to be
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: skeptical about camera equipped smart glasses, and they link to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: another story where they get into some of these things,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: and they say you can now add extortion to that list.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: According to a recent report from the BBC, a woman
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: who asked not to be named, was recently filmed covertly
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: while shopping in London by a man wearing smart glasses.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: The interaction was later posted to social media, where it
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: racked up tens of thousands of views. You know, they
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: kind of go back to talk a little bit more
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: about smart glasses and so forth, and they say, apparently
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: these glasses are now being regularly used by men to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: record women discreetly for content purposes. What makes this particular case,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: reported by the BBC worst is that the man question
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: allegedly asked for money in exchange for taking the video
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: down cleaning. The removal was a quote paid service unquote.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: So yeah, that's that's where we're at now. You know,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: I've been concerned about this smart glasses thing for a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: long time because, again, while you could argue as aware
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: it's beneficial to you to be able to look stuff up,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: record things hands free, all that, you know, as someone
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: that just happens to be out and about in society.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: You know, could you be having a conversation with someone
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: that you don't understand is being recorded out. I know
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: different states have different laws around this, right, In some
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: states it's legal to record someone without their knowledge. In
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: other states it's not. But the bottom line is, you know,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: you now can no longer assume that if you're talking
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: to someone you might not be You know, you don't
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: have to worry about is their phone out or is
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: their phone hitting in their pocket. The glasses they're wearing
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: could very well be smart glasses and you could be
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: being recorded without your knowledge. That's at the bottom line. Yeah,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: And it later goes on to say in this article,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: the fact that the woman at the sincident didn't know
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: she was being filmed it all should tell you a lot,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: since it means the privacy light and led that lights
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: up when you record the glasses, a record on the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: smart glasses was obscured or not visible enough to catch
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: her attention. So there you have it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think maybe there were of the reasons
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: the prior versions of these smart classes didn't maybe necessarily
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: pan out. And I'm guessing it was one type of
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: frame and you had to get basically ray bands, and
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: so if you saw that it was kind of an
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: oversized ray band, you kind of could if you were
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: familiar with the concept of the glasses, then you may
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: have been alerted to the fact that these are smart
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: classes at the outset. But I only imagine that they've
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: come up with multiple different frames, different styles with AI
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: built into them and smart classes, So the frame itself
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: is not going to identify itself as a smart device.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think that's the key takeaway, Brian, is
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: people just need to be aware this is a thing. Now,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: Like if you look at the photos in this article, right,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: if you look at the glasses very carefully, you can
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: kind of see in the upper right hand corner something
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: that looks like a camera aperture. But if you don't
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: even know this is a thing, how would you know
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  Speaker 7: to look for that? And frankly, unless you're up close
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  Speaker 7: to someone you know, how would you know to look?
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  Speaker 7: You wouldn't be able to tell. And you know, you
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  Speaker 7: could also argue that that almost looks like some sort
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  Speaker 7: in this particular photo in this particular article, that almost
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: looks like some sort of decorative aspect, not necessarily a camera.
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  Speaker 7: So I think the key thing for folks to understand
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  Speaker 7: is this is a thing. They're selling these things pretty
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  Speaker 7: regularly now, a lot more than I would have hoped.
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  Speaker 7: And be aware that if someone is wearing glasses, someone
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  Speaker 7: like me, I wear glasses every day because frankly they
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  Speaker 7: can't see very well without them, it's at least possible
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  Speaker 7: you're being recorded.
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  Speaker 1: It is, and you know, I mean honestly, Dave, if
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  Speaker 1: I knew someone had smart glasses on and was coming
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  Speaker 1: up to me to talk to me, I tell them
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  Speaker 1: to take them off. I wouldn't be comfortable. It just
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  Speaker 1: would creep me out like a mean. Hell. We live
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  Speaker 1: in an Orwellian world right now. Everybody's staring at us
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  Speaker 1: and recording everything. Almost This just makes it more that
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  Speaker 1: God bless you for what you do. I'll look forward
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  Speaker 1: to next Friday, another segment.
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  Speaker 7: Always my pleasure, Brian, thanks to you and Joe and
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  Speaker 7: all your listeners, and I'll talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 1: Take care brother. Corey Bowman, former meyol candidate, He's going
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  Speaker 1: Seven oh six here at fifty five KERSD talk station.
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  Speaker 1: It's Friday. Obviously I have a smile on my face.
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  Speaker 1: I do love Fridays, but even bigger smile on my
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  Speaker 1: face because I look across this table here and it's
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  Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, former MARYL candidates, still actively engage and manags
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  Speaker 1: related in the city of Cincinnati, a city in which
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  Speaker 1: he lives, has his business and his church. Corey Bowman,
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  Speaker 1: good to see you today man, as always.
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  Speaker 2: What's awesome to hear. Thank you, and good morning to
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  Speaker 2: everybody listening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you hear my talk with Josh Garth the
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  Speaker 1: other day about his being elected to the Hamlet kind
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  Speaker 1: of Republican Party chair. Yeah. Enthusiasm, positivity if folks, if
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  Speaker 1: you're listening and you didn't hear Josh Girth, get the
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  Speaker 1: podcast fifty about Casey dot com. You know, after ending
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  Speaker 1: the conversation I had was like, man, he actually made
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  Speaker 1: me feel positive and hopeful maybe for the future of
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Party because you know, I'm the kind of
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  Speaker 1: guy that looks at Hamilton County anymore and just says,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: you know, last man out, bring the flag. And he
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  Speaker 1: said that, well, maybe keep the flag and we'll see
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  Speaker 1: if we can't turn things around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So last Tuesday, we selected a new chairman for the
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  Speaker 2: GOP party and I talked with both candidates that were
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  Speaker 2: putting their names in the ring TUDA, and both of
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  Speaker 2: them were great candidates. Oh yeah, I felt like there
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  Speaker 2: was a positive way no matter what. And I told
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  Speaker 2: both of them, no matter what, I'm going to extend
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  Speaker 2: my hand to try to work with you because we're
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  Speaker 2: all on the same team here, trying to flip the city,
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  Speaker 2: trying to be able to make impact wherever we can.
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  Speaker 2: I will say this. I listened to Joshua's interview too,
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  Speaker 2: and he seemed a lot more enthusiastic and energized than
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  Speaker 2: before too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see, and that's what I wanted to ask you
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  Speaker 1: about because I wasn't at the meeting, and you know,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: boiling it down to kind of the summarize all the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: information I heard about the Republican meeting and when Joshua
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  Speaker 1: won the vote is that it was a little contentious.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, well, it was just like a process. Democratic processes nowadays,
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  Speaker 2: you know, involve you know, whether you call it backbody
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  Speaker 2: name calling, whatever. And I'm not saying that that was
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  Speaker 2: the candidates necessarily, but people are very passionate about this position.
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  Speaker 2: But people are very passionate about Hamilton County in general,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people are frustrated with the direction
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  Speaker 2: that the whether it be the party or whether it
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  Speaker 2: be just the elections have gone. And so I take
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  Speaker 2: that as a positive because you can take that passion
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, it might have been through a kind of grueling,
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  Speaker 2: Profit says as far as selecting the chairman, but now
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  Speaker 2: we can come together and say, hey, we've got a
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  Speaker 2: new direction, we've got a new chairman, and so let's
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  Speaker 2: all take that passion and put it toward the good
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: of the party. And I'm excited. I'm really excited. I
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  Speaker 2: congratulated Josh. We've had many conversations, and I'm very excited
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  Speaker 2: about the direction he's going to take it as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that there's going to be a lot
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: of good foundational things that are going to be with
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: the party, but also a lot of new ideas and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of new things when it comes to getting
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  Speaker 2: people involved.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I share your opinion about either one. Robert Rohman,
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  Speaker 1: you know, respected man, everybody likes him.
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  Speaker 2: Great judge in the past and been endorsed by the party,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: so he had a great track record as well.
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  Speaker 1: So to the extent, they have different ideas on going forward,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: like a campaign promise, here's the direction I want to go. No,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: here's the direction I want to go, says the other candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Are were they a part in terms of prioritization, because
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  Speaker 1: I know fundraising is important. You got to get the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: message out, you know, fielding candidates to actually for races,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: notably judicial races, which Josh brought up, and absolutely if
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  Speaker 1: you don't see a Republican on the ballot for any
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: given position in the county, I viewed that as a failure. Yeah,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: but then you move away and you find out that
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  Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't for trying. Lack of trying. Now
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: you just can't find someone who's willing to run for
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  Speaker 1: a judicial post in Hamilton County because they don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's worth the effort. They don't think it's worth the
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  Speaker 1: hassle if they get elected.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, well, I think that one of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: things about getting future candidates on the ballot is you've
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  Speaker 2: got to have leadership. And this isn't just at the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: top with Chairman Josh Kirt. This is with the committees
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: and anybody that's involved. You've got to have leadership that
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: candidates feel, hey, they're gonna have their back. This is
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: gonna be a support system, this is gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: good vision for us to get behind as far as
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  Speaker 2: candidates go. You know, I keep going back to Chairman Mock.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he was extremely encouraging from day one, whenever
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: I even touted the insane idea of running for mayor
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, right, and he was there every step of
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  Speaker 2: the way. And I mentioned that at the meeting too.
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  Speaker 2: So I like to give credit where credit is due,
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  Speaker 2: and then when it comes to this process. You know,
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  Speaker 2: my friend I was as you were talking, I was
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: reminded my friend, our mutual friend, Christopher Smithman. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: he told me because I was really in the middle
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: of the mayor race, I was researching policy, legislation resolutions,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: all the rules that are in city council sessions, just
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: trying to get an understanding of the job that I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: was trying to apply for. That's how I viewed it,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: and Smithman kept telling me, like, you know, obviously that's important,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: but he said, ultimately, people won't vote for you based
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: on that. People are going to vote for you if
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: they like you or not. And so I think when
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: it comes down to it, you had the experience of
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Josh Girth. He had kind of had a track record,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: but then when he got up and he talked about
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: his vision, people ended up liking you a lot, and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: they said, you know what, this is something we can
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: get behind. And that's not saying people didn't like Ruleman.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: That's just basically saying that, hey, this is somebody that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like overall for the years to come is
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: going to add that positivity, add that like to the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: party and we can all get behind that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and not to disparage Robert Ruhlman, Jaskarth is younger
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: than Bob Rulan, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I found out his age, I realized he
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: looks a lot younger too. So now a lot of
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: the articles were using he was laughing that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the articles were using his high school photos. You know,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: it was kind of like the first time I met you,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: which I think you look, you know better now than
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: you do in your previous profile pictures. Every time, every
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: time I get a picture of you is from years. Guy,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's not the Brian I know.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Come on now, I know, man, And I'd laugh at
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: that every time. And I don't look like the one
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: that's on my page now anymore because of course my
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: hair's gone full gray.
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  Speaker 2: Well, for anybody listening, he looks ten times better and
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  Speaker 2: personally does on any of those old school profile pictures,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: especially in your Red Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Today shows will get you everywhere, you know. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing that I noticed about Russ Mock he seemed to
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: have a lower profile. I mean, Alex Chirantha Fila would
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: come on the program all the time talking about was
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: going on in Hamilton County and yeah, he just was
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: everywhere all the time, and I just didn't get that
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: sense from Russ Mack.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that overall. The thing about Chairman
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Mock is that he had an incredibly level head, right like,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: he never allowed the emotions of anything to kind of
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: dictate his direction. He basically was just there to maintain,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: to support and to help in whatever capacity that he could. Obviously,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: with that came limitations. You know, there's limitations to what
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: he could do or couldn't do. And I think that
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: with Josh, he's kind of tackling a lot of those
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: issues that we've seen in the past and then kind
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: of adjusting things based on what we've learned in the past.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Good learn from your mistakes, learned what worked, and move
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  Speaker 1: forward with the best. Absolutely, and again, enthusiasm. You got
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: to make it at least seem like it's going to matter,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: it's going to have a difference that you get the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: support from the Hamilton County Republican Party for all these races,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: that there will be money to support the candidates, and
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: that is the ultimate challenge, is it's all about money.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one thing that both candidates said is that we've
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: got to make it fun again, and I thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that overall a lot of people think
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: that negativity and just doomsday is what's going to kind
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: of earn the votes. So, yeah, it gets a lot
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: of clicks, It gets a lot of clicks, But what
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  Speaker 2: I realize is that people are actually hungry to beat
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  Speaker 2: a part of something positive, some type of movement that's
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: going to lead us in brighter days rather than darker
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: days are saying, hey, we're just going to try to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: grab the helm of this post apocalyptic world that we
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: live in. No, there's bright day's ahead. I was just
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: even listening to the weather segment today and they were like, Yeah,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: the sun's out, it's great. I was listening to traffic
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: today and with Chuck Ingram was basically saying, hey, there's
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: no rex today. It's awesome. So I gravitate toward those
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: type of things, and that's why I'm extremely optimistic for
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: the Republican Party and what's to come well.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate that optimism. I appreciate your gravitating toward that.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I was lamenting earlier in the week about how depressed
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I was feeling because every day it's this, it's this
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: gloom and doom story. It's that gloom and doom story.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: We got to tell you. You gotta get windows in here, man, Yeah, right,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: or at least put a beach or something on these TVs.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: You know what, maybe I use the TVs for that
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: to that end. These have never been on. I'm staring
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: at four TVs that I can see. One of them
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: is behind me that has the fifty five kr Sea logo,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: they're black all the time. Maybe that's adding to the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: negativity in the room. But you know what, before I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: advocate for an actual window or even doing that, I'm
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: gonna try to get Joe Strek or a raise. You
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: get twenty years in radio this December.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Come on, congratulations Joe.
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  Speaker 5: Listen.
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  Speaker 1: Joe just said he's been here thirty years.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Thirty years, he's still.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Making the Remember the old minimum wage was like two
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: seventy five an hour. Okay, Yeah, they never did up
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  Speaker 1: that for some reason, didn't get winto the walls.
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  Speaker 2: He still doesn't get tips on top of that.
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  Speaker 1: Corey Buman form maryl Can. They was talking to him.
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  Speaker 1: I did that twenty two three spot. The twenty two
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  Speaker 1: three is not related to the calibers of Proverbs chapter
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, verse three. The prudency danger and take refuge,
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  Speaker 1: but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. So anyhow,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I was talking at Pastor Corey Bauman, among other things
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: about City of Cincinnati topics. We're gonna pivot over to
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: something that I was glad you posted on your Facebook
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: page this morning, the brawl going on with the public
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: library in Cincinnati. This on the heels of this new
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: plan that just was released yesterday's Summer of Discovery initiative.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: So if a juvenile's charged with a crime, he has
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: to obtain pre trial requirements of first off, obtain a
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: library card, and then they have to obtain a membership
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: in their neighborhood Cincinnai Recreation Center or YMCA, and also
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: bring a copy of the last quarter grades into the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: next court hearing, so I know they have. When we
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: were we're going to get to iris rolling Government Square
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  Speaker 1: here in in our discussion here this morning before we
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: pivot to that. One of the reasons Government Square was
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: a problem with juveniles because all of these schools, you know,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: bus traffic was there, and apparently if you're from a
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: school or you don't get along with the other school,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: that's what ends up in problems. So forcing these various
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: young people who've been charged to get a library card
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: is going to put them all kind of like Government
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Square in one spot. Arguably, but this new library card
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: obligation if they've been charged, just kicked in. But apparently
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: the public library downtown is the site of a lot
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: of fights and brawls, and you got one on video
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: on your Facebook page. What do you what do you
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: how do you react to that? What do you say
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: about that? Generally speaking?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Card, Well, I would say it's very sad because the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: main location downtown is where I take my kids on
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: a regular basis. You know, I have to check because
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that my kids got like ten books
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: up in their room that I've got to return soon, huh,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: and so they'll be coming after me. But the location
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: itself downtown is like architecturally and just beauty wise of
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: everything is incredible. Oh no, it is an insane you know,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: just design and beauty and just right in the heart
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: of downtown town. And actually, you know, I was looking
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: up and it is the most well funded and it
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: is one of the busiest even in the country as
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: far as public libraries goes in downtown cities in America.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: So it is a staple in our city. And one
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: thing I did notice was that specifically just driving by
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: is you do see a lot more of the homeless population.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: You see a lot more, you know, just whether you
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: call it loitering or whatever people want to call it, hangout,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: called whatever you want, but it's not necessarily an appealing thing.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Whenever you want to go into the library and you
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: want to go there with your kids and everything, you
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: want to feel safe. But unfortunately, and this is the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: same case with CRC owned properties as well, in rec
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: centers and parks. We've talked about parks on the show
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: in the past. These city owned properties a lot of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: times have very lenient rules when it comes to this stuff.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: And you're seeing loitering for example.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're seeing an increase in these violent instances.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: And I saw that article was actually very surprised at
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: the newsage that I think it was was no, it
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: was Local twelve that report on it. And the violence
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: is actually increasing at the local library. And that's sad
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: because a lot of people this is actually kind of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: a tourist spot, just like the Cincinnati Children's Museum. A
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: lot of people won't come downtown just for the library.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: But you're seeing this and I can't emphasize this enough
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: that I believe that the most important race in our
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: city is the juvenile judge this year when it comes
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: to voting in November, Susan Luken is running for juvenile judge,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: and the current judge right now, instead of actually enforcing
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: the law, does stuff like this to where it just
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: enables the behavior and just tries to train the juveniles,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: train young people instead of obeying the law how to
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: kind of find loopholes in the law. And I really
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: don't agree with it because when we are downtown, when
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: we're in the West End, one of the biggest issues
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: is youth violence. And I was talking to friend of mine,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Judge McDowell, and he said that because he's very firm
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: upholds the law, great judge that is on the ballot
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: this year as well, But he says that consistently you
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: have eighteen year olds that come into the court system
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: and when they get a harsh sentence or when they
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: get a conviction that lines up with the act that
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: was that was committed, they are shocked because these are
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: repeat offenders that have gone through the court system before,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: just under the juvenile system. Once they actually get of age,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: they're shocked because, hey, you're telling me that there's accountability
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: when I'm an adult you're telling me, so this has
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: to start at the beginning. And that's why I'm you know,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Judge Luken, that's why I'm advocating for that very strongly
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: this year when it comes to the November election.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you just emphasize and pointed out that the giant
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: elephant in the room. There has to be some accountability,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: even for young people. And I think this leniency is
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: born to this idea that well, you know, they're young,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: and you don't know what their home life is like.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Get all that. Yeah, the sort of warm and fuzzy
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: realities they want to push off the behavior. Just excuse
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: it because life isn't perfect in any given person's world.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: But that maybe for lack of parenting. What do parents do?
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Good parents do? What do they do? What would my
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: dad do? If I was caught out at two o'clock
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: on COQ, I would get my butt.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Beatn Oh, yes, absolutely.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: There would be absolute consequences. You know, that's what needs
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: to take place with the juvenile courts. If they don't
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: have a spanking at home because there's a concerned parent
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: that wants to teach him the right direction, learn ethical
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: rules and disciplinary rules, then the judge's got to step
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: in and be that person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it really didn't help if you
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: had a father that had a large waistline, because that
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: means a bigger belt, you know, and a longer reach,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: you know. And so I was praying that my dad
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: would lose weight over every summer so that he could
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: use shorter belts. But the thing is, and for anybody
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: that didn't see the article, what's happening is that there's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: consistent violence that's happening downtown in the library, not just
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: outside on the streets. This is happening in the library.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: And what happened was what I think that speaks volumes
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: to it was it was an anonymous employee that's trying
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: to raise awareness of it. And I'm telling you right now,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: the majority of city employees they vote Democrat. You know,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. This is, Hey,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: I'm working and I feel unsafe in the library on
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: a daily basis. And they had to actually like disguise
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: the voice of the employee on the news article because
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: they don't want their fear of losing their job. And
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: so I saw that all last year during the mayor race.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about city employees that would reach out to
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: me and say, hey, I can't talk about this, you know,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: publicly or anything, but this is what's happening, and we're
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: all fed up with this, or we're fed up with
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: how this is being run. And when you start hearing
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, you realize things have got to change.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: A city hall and city and the city owned properties
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: and the city funded properties and initiatives like this. We
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: gotta spend our money better.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: It's okay because Haven't County Juvenile Court Administrative Judge Kerry
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Bloom is going to get my all library cards. So
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: there's even more of them, the actually the ones who
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: allegedly committed crimes, or at least have been accused of
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: committing crimes. Yeah, let's put them all on the library.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need we don't need twenty twenty. We
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: just need the library.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: We'll don't go away. We got a lot more talk
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: about with Corey Bowman. It's some of the talk station
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: seven thirty one fifty KCIT talk station Happy Friday, one
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: hour from out here from Jack Windsor from the Ipress network.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, we get the benefit of Corey Bowman
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: in studio talking about city issues and Corey Bowman, former
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: meryal candidate but also a business owner in the West
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: End and pastor in the West End. Get good congregation
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: going over there.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a community church right there by the soccer stadium,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: high school Stadium, Taft and Hayes Porter, And we love
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: our congregation members. I know you do very based on
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: outreach and just impact in the community.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: And you know in your King's Arms coffee shop, I
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: understand the police like to hang out there. It's a
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: safe place to have a cup of coffee.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're very thankful for the patrolling. We're very
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: thankful for the cops just doing their job around the area.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: And then we we have a discount for first responders.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: We love having, whether it be firefighters, first responders, even
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: city employees. I tell everybody, you know, we're no stranger
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: to anybody at King's Arms. So just anybody that comes in,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get a one welcome from us.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: And hopefully a good cup of coffee. I hear the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: coffee is good, the.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Best in the city, best in the city.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: All right, that's not a biased opinion at all. All right,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: let's stick with the library from him because we were
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: talking about the fights and the brawls. Obviously we find
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: out from reporting in the videos that this is a
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: regular phenomenon going on. But as somebody that goes to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: the library, have you felt unsafe there? Because, as you
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: pointed out, you got the little kids, you got the toddlers,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: you got the kids are in the kids section, that's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: where that fight was, you pointed out to me, because
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: it's been a long time since I've been to the
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Downtown library. But yeah, it's a little frightening.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, we were talking during the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: break that you know, a lot of city funded properties,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of public spaces, whether it be with parks.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: I mean we're seeing this actually across the country, even
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: in Washington, DC right now. And everything is that if
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: you have lenient policies when it comes to these public spaces.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: You know, public spaces are public spaces, right, so we
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: should be able to enjoy them as taxpayers, as people
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: who live in the city. But then at the same time,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: there needs to be rules, rules of conduct, and there
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: needs to be you know, adherence to whether it be
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: cleanliness or loitering or whatever that might be. But those policies,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: and those rules are becoming more and more lenient at
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: these public facilities, just like with the Cincinnati Public Library.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: And because of that, you're seeing more loitering. You're seeing
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: people that you know, they might be hanging out at
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: the front or even hanging out in the lobby, but
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: it's like they are not here for a library car.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: They're not here even to use the computers. Because here's
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: the thing too. Public libraries for years have served as
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: an essential service for homeless population, to be able to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: get on a computer, to apply for a job, to
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: be able to do things. And that's something that I
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: actually feel is very important. But it has to come
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: with rules and consequences for bad behavior, and that those
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: consequences aren't available right now.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know the sort of the circuitest route
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: we go on it. Off air, you pointed out the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: libraries and the parks and the rec centers. These are
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: some of the only venues that young people have. Because
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: you have a neighborhood, like say the West End, struggling
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: community businesses have struggled to stay open. A lot of
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: it can be blamed because the city council's rules, regulations,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: and demands and needs and everything. Yeah, and we've been
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: over that before, Corey. But if you don't have a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: thriving community where there's stuff to do in your neighborhood
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: as a young person, then you're gonna go end up
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: going to the library. And that's all well and good,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: But if that results in a bunch of fights, you
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: go to the library, you get in a fight, if
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: you were charged, you'd have to get a library card
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: now under the new rules, which I suppose you already
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: had when you were getting the library. But the end
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: result is if it's not a safe place because people
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: aren't cracking down on it and preventing it from happening,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: then people aren't going to want to go there. If
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I was fifteen years old and I thought I was
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: going to get that crap kid a out of me
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: at the library because it happens all the time, dude,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not going there.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I think about like the Cincinnati Children's Museum that's
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: at at the train station downtown. That's one of the
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: most iconic buildings in Cincinnati, right, amazing lot. I mean
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'll just if I'm like just getting off of work,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I'll just drive my kids there just to look at
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: the lobby. Yeah, and just look all the murals and
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: then go back. But imagine if you are constantly seeing
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: videos of fights in all the exhibits inside the museum, well,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: then you're gonna be like, well, if that's what's going on,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to bring my kids there. My
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: coffee shop is right by the museum and we constantly
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: get people coming in that are visiting from out of
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: town that are here just for the museum. Right. So
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: in the same way with the library, if you see
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: videos like this, then during the summer months when people
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: want to come down with their kids out of school
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: to come to the Cincinnati Downtown Public Library, going to
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: see that affected just like we saw last year with
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: the restaurants and with everybody coming downtown. You know, it
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: impacts the visitors and the money that's supposed to be
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: flowing into our city.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: It's just like people giving up and moving away, or
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: like people in the burbs who think, you know what,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I really would like to go to the museum center,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: but I see so much crime in downtown Cincinnati generally speaking,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: that I'm not going to set foot in the city.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: And I've had people say that to me just countless time.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Screw the city. I'm not going down there. I don't
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: want to get the crap beat out of me. That's
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: the city generally without geographic boundaries, not talking about the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: library or Government Square or a park, just the whole city.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: You know what it is too, is that a lot
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: of people say do you feel safe? This is like
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: the words that we say, right, do you feel safe downtown?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: And there's this constant battle, especially online, where people that
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: live downtown and say, well, I feel safe. I've never
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: had it happen. What I realize is that people that
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: live downtown are just so adamant on advocating for the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: downtown and that side. If they've never experienced it themselves,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: then they're saying everybody else that they're just blowing smoke, right.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: But the reality of it is that it's not about
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: just the consistent feeling of it. It's that it could
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: happen at any point. There's been shootings that have happened
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: on East mcmickon at one point fifty two pm, just
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: as school's about to get let out, right by an
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: elementary school there. There's been shootings at Fountain Square at
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: eight twenty pm where people are just trying to enjoy
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: a downtown meal at Jeff Ruby's across the street. There
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: has been constant things that have happened. I think about
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Kuschandra Win last year that was walking home at ten
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: pm from work and gets gunned down by a dry
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: by shooting. And this is a single mom of five children.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: And so just because it didn't happen to you, just
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: because maybe you haven't encountered something, doesn't mean that any moment,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: because of the lax policies, because of the anarchy that's
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: kind of been allowed to happen downtown, that this could
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: escalate to a situation where it could affect you. And
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: I've talked to many people that vote one way, but
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: once it happened to them, then they vote another way.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Case in point, a woman named Sarah Haringer, her husband
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: got brutally stabbed and murdered downtown. Never thought it could
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: happen to her. She was trying to let people know
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: in the area, hey, we need to do something about
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: the crime, because there's constantly things happening. But then in
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: one moment, her life was impacted, her husband's life was
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: taken away, and then all of a sudden, people like
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: that then it happens to them indeed, well, and we've
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: got to prevent that across the board.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: You talk about Sarah Heringer, was thinking her before you
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: even brought her up, because she I mean to your point, yeah,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: safe downtown, or you're constantly advocating for downtown because you
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: love it so much, you're overlooking the problems, or you
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: get numb to it. She said she was. The gunfire
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: so often.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: That it's pay attention. Last night on North Bend Road,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: we heard shots and immediately you just get desensitized out. Yeah,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: that's this normal thing.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Good God, puzzle, Well bring it back. I mean, we
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: got a while ago with Corey Buman here going through
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: the issue. Octually went along in that segment. Got a
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes here more with Corey bum before we
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: had to take another break. But it's a great opportunity.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Corey Boman, we were just talking about you went. You
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: visited Washington, d C. And it is it's clean. They've
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: cleaned all the monuments they and you also said something
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: about no crime because you've been like to the Lincoln
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Memorial multiple times and every time you've been there previously,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: protesters literally everywhere. Yeah, one guyou a sign this time,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: and you said, what did it say?
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: It said Jesus loves you.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: That's it. That was it. No protesters, clean safe, that
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: is I just wanted to draw a parallel. One moment
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: in time. You've got an open border with literally millions
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: and millions of people unabated's flowing into our country, and
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: we need to change the law whatever. You got a
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: new administration and the borders in immediately shut down. You
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: got a new administration and crime is no longer a
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: factor and it's a clean Washington DC. And I understand
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: the motivations for cleaning up. It's two undred and fiftieth anniversary.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: But in a moment's time, if you have the will,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: you have a solution. Don't We have an outstanding offer
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: for Mike Dwine to get some resources from the state
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: to high State Patrol, other resources to help deal with crime.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: And has the mayor or the city manager taken up
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: the one on that thirty full month all five days
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: a week or seven days a week, four weeks a
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: month offer, because of me of last time I heard
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: anything was like two days.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing to realize here is
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: that every resource, every option is available to us to
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: be able to fix the issues on our city, whether
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: it be with the cleanliness, whether it be with the
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: public safety, whatever it might be. And you know, I
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: visit DC, you know regularly over the years. I visit
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: just because I love the city. We've done like church
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: evangelistic crusades in the city as well. I've been there
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: through multiple administrations I'm talking about, like Republican and Democrat.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: I have never seen the city as clean as orderly
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: as is right now. It was an eighth grader's dream
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: because all the eighth grade trips are there whenever I
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: was there last time, and it felt like Disney World
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: like to where like I was talking to people that
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: live in the city that vote, you know, opposite of
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: me every year, and they were saying, I'm just we're
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: so thankful that the city is clean and that we
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: just feel safe to walk around because a lot of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: them are avid runners or they're part of intermural sports
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: that happen on the mall there, and they're just so
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: happy that they can actually take advantage of their city
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: and enjoy it the way that it was intended.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if someone saying, well, the federal government has all
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: kinds of dollars, and DC gets the taxpayer dollars to
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: do all this. Blah blah blah blah blah. Well here
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: to answer that question. So Trump brings in the national Guard,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: crime goes down or is eliminated. Virtually, take governor to
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: wind up and is offered to you absolutely sources, and
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: then properly allocate your scarce budget resources the things that
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: really matter. The old broken windows theory. You fix the window,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood looks better and people want to go there.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Do that for the city. Quit building new solar farms
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  Speaker 1: and quit thinking about future proposals for brand new this
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  Speaker 1: and brand new that. Fix the roads, fix the infrastructure,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: polish things up, make those budget priorities, and people will come.
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  Speaker 2: Just seems like common sense, not biparison agreements.
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  Speaker 1: Here amen, and that has no partisanships. Partisana about it.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody wants something like what we say last year, clean streets,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: safe streets, prosperous streets. That's all we were fighting for.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: It wasn't to copy and paste national politics. It was
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: just saying, hey, we're Cincinnatians, we want a better city
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  Speaker 2: for everybody involved.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be able to help fulfill that goal. Coming up next,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: we'll get ourselves a crime stopper bad guy of the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: week and continue with Corey Bowman. And yes, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Green. To my eyes, deceive me or
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: is that a neck tattoo?
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  Speaker 8: It is?
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  Speaker 1: That's a next see that. I love it when criminals
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  Speaker 1: make it easy to spot. I'm Officer Green. Thank you
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: for what you do, and everybody at the Cincinni Police Department.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: I wish each and every one of you a wonder
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: for a week and be safe. His picture is on
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: my blog page fifty five carsee dot com if you
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: want to see what neck tattoo wanted individual looks like.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Fifty five care see dot com for that. Corey Bowman,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: what else is on your mind? Because after the top
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: of their news, we're gonna dive onto this whole Irish
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: rally thin because that Channel nine broke is My mind
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: is blown over that absolutely blown talk about priorities. If
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: you look, I think the Channel nine summarized at all
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: is a one point two million dollars that they have
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: paid to her and her subcontractors over some period of time,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: and her kids work for as subcontractors, and each of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: them made almost an identical amount of one hundred and
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: thirty two plus or minus thousand dollars for doing part
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: time work. And Channel nine said, you know, that's more
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: than ninety five percent of the city employees make. So yeah,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: it seems to me you could probably accomplish a lot
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: of what we're trying to get here in the city,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: which is proper allocation of resources.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what you said right there is so critical because
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: during the mayoral campaign. You know, what I realized, especially
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: in Paulics, is that we kind of have this like
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Gotham City batman mentality where we have our characters, right,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: like you have the Riddler, the Two Face, and Penguin,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: and so we try to find all these villains that
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: we can just focus on, right, and then we're just
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: going to go after them. And I kept telling people,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: I don't care who's attached to it. I'm not going
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: to attack the people. It's about the issues that are
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: important and this is the direction if I'm mayor, this
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: is what I'm gonna do. And in politics it's always
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: about finding the person to attack, the scapegoat or whatever,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: and we see a lot of that happening. But the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: biggest issue is allocation of funds. We are at a
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: deficit as a city, but we are spending money like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: we don't or like we're not at a deficit. But
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: then when it comes to key public safety issues or
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: when it comes to certain things that we need, well,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: then hey, we got to dial back or we got
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: to be smart on this. But then when it comes
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: to allocation of funds for other things, we spend it
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: like there's no tomorrow sorrow when it comes to contractors,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: when it comes to community initiatives, when it comes to
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of things that maybe make better headlines for
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: that side of the party. These are things to where
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: we've just got to get back down to the basics
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: of a good balanced budget that is putting money in
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: the right things. We were talking about police earlier. A
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: lot of times people justify that, hey, we do spend
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of money on public safety with the city.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: My question is where it's going exactly. We're spending a
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: lot of money on overtime pay right now, overtime time
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: and a half. A lot of these officers get overworked,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: they get forced to do the overtime that they don't
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: need or want. Right why don't you actually emphasize the
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: lateral hiring every year, not just an election years, not
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: just when you're under pressure, but focused on a strong
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: police force, and then you're not gonna have to pay
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: the overtime as much. Now a lot of people say, oh, well,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: you know, people don't want to be cops in the city.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: People don't want to apply. If you have strong leadership
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: at the helm, people are going to want to apply.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, I'm sorry, I'm going to go
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: back to irish Rola. I need one a needy individuals.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: But she's illustrative of the problem. Why don't cops want
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: to work in the city of Cincinnati. Well, mainly because
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: the administration has an aversion to cops. They don't like them.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's our culture.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: She's part of the Black Lives Matter movement.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the culture of that has to change.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: And you're starting to see like a couple posts here
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: or there from leadership saying hey, we support our cops
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: and everything, but behind the scenes it has to be
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: even more important. Is that the cops have to feel
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: like you've got their back and you have to enable
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: them to do de escalation. And de escalation is approaching
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: it's low level crimes. It's approaching and making sure that
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: people know that, Hey, if you're going to start something,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna want to do it in this area
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: because they will hold you accountable for it. But that's
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: not what's happening.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: Right If not what's happening, you know. Anyway, we'll continue
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: to talk of that in this quirbwoman. I'm gonna make
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: them stay here in the studio so we can address
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: some of the details of this wonderful reporting from Paula
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: Christian over at the CPO. Props to her, don't go
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: away of your station at six here fifty about KRCD
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: talk station Happy Friday. Bottom of the hour. We're gonna
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: here from Hio Press Networks Jack Windsor about the new
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: age replacement for David for Yost here in the state
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: of Ohio Attorney General Andy Wilson making public college and
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: tech schools quote unquote free, and then finally debate over
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: data centers. That's Jack Windsor at A thirty the Ohio
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Pressnetwork dot Com. In the meantime, former Merril candidate Corey Bowman,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: still a business owner and well resident of the city
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: of Cincinne going through some of the issues here which
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: he regularly is involved with. We talked about the library
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: of the fistfights breaking out, talk to some of the prioritization,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: and we think that the city managers and folks responsible
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: for well the scarce taxpayer dollars probably are not putting
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: him in the right place. And allows me to pivot
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: back to something I brought up at six o'clock if
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: you want to hear me ramble about the recent reporting
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: from the I team. Thank you to WCPO Channel nine
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: and Paula Christian for following this story, which they've been
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: following now for since last fall. That story would be
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: the contract with Irish Rolli which was signed I guess
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: what two days after the election six hundred and sixty
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: four three hundred dollars Corey and city manager Cheryl Long
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: is the only person that she reports to. That's it.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: And Steve Gooden is quoted in our Legal Expert Steve
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Gooden and we had loved Todd Zinzer here in the
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: fifty five KCY Morning Shore, our own inspector General for
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati, just a role he is self appointed.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Both of them quoted and the iteams reports on this. Obviously,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: eyebrows have been raised. She hired both of her sons.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Remember she's a subcontractor, so they considered her not an employee.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: She's not obligated to follow the other the city employees
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: nepotism policies. So they signed this big contract. Apparently since
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the total contracts, of the total of
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: all the money in the contracts is one point two
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: million dollars. Her son Reshan shows it's a part time
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: job working with young people on Government Square forty four
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks a month, grand total of one hundred and
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: thirty two thousand dollars. Same thing for her other son,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: who was hired to work and perform the obligations and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: tasks that she was charged with doing, which is dealing
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: with the issues on Government Square. We talked about earlier
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: the fist fights breaking out among young people. I guess
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: maybe they're going to move over to the library now, Corey,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: But it's not really quite clear he's cracking up. It's
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: not really quite clear what they're doing. And I'm not
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: going to fault the reporter on that. Her son Ray
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: sean subcontract for community care. I'm doing the air quotes
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: with my fingers here because this is what I don't
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: know what that is and some aere in the city
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: monitoring work, that's what they're doing. How do you account
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: for that? What exactly is that? And it doesn't it
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: seem rather suspicious that her sons are getting all of
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: this money and that also her husband is getting paid
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: by the City of Cincinnati Coffers under this contract because
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: he is a printing company. He printed out T shirts
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: for the work on Government Square. That are two sons
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: were doing nothing to see here, Corey. Now, I'm not
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: going to fall her necessarily. As you pointed out on
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: the break, you can't blame her for taking advantage of
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: the system. The system is the problem, am I Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And I think what I think what strikes well, I
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: would like to think strikes a nerve with people, right,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: is that if we were seeing results, let's say, on
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Government Square, right, if we were going downtown and seeing
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: the crime decreasing, if we were seeing the police being
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: able to do their job in a more efficient way
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: to be able to not have their hands tied by
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: the city administration or the contractors that be, if we
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: were able to see results, I think the taxpayers would
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: for the city that they love. Would gladly say, yeah,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: money well spent.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, no, I'm going to disagree with you on
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: that one, because you're talking about seeing results while also
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: seeing if the police were allowed to do their job,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: you would give credit to the police perhaps for that.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Do you need the team here, the work on Government Square,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: this special team that they formed under this subcontract with
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: thatvers early would you need that at all if the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: police were allowed to do their job.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: That's what we fought all last year because we they're like,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: let's say, the Act for Cency program, right, I believe
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: it was five point two or three point two. I
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: forget which one million dollars that was put into the
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Act for Senci program that was supposed to come back
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: crime last year, and whenever the brawl happened, whenever any
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: incident happened downtown, they wouldn't actually like talk about the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: police enforcement. They wouldn't talk about actual policies that affected
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: crime through the law enforcement. They would show PowerPoint slides
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: of Act for Cency about Hey, we're going to remove blight,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: we're gonna help community initiatives. It's like they create all
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: these ways to funnel money into programs that have nothing
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: to do with combating crime.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Programs run by one of the multitude of NGOs.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: And contractors, all sorts of stuff, because I don't know
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: what it is about the city, but they see it
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: as to fight crime. We've got to go off of
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: all these tangents because there's big, bigger issues at play here.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: But like what we talked about earlier, right there, if
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: you did something wrong in our household, you would face consequences,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: usually by a spanking.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Or something, or a combination of a whole multitude of
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: past you're.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: Going to get and that would deter you from future activity.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't work with with a firm belt, you would
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: not be a repeat offender in your house when it
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: came to certain things.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right, because I learned I didn't want to
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: get a spanking, so you get it a couple of times,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: like okay, I'm not doing that anymore. Yeah.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: But the problem is is that every crime, every single
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: story that you see, there is one common denominator with
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: that is that it's repeat offenders. It's people that, to
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, based on previous crimes, would never
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: be on the street in a proper criminal justice program.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this right now, a lot of
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: people look at the community, right they look at the
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: inner city we pastor in the inner city, when you
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: talk to the single moms at all the low income housing,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: when you talk to the family members and the old
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: and young people that are in our community. There's a
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: very small amount of individuals that cause all the chaos,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: and it paints this picture on the entire community. Nobody
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: wants proper police force and judicial system more than the
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: community in the downtown area. But from city Hall, they're
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: deterring any of this from happening because, hey, we've got
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: a funnel money into all these government programs. We've got
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: to do community initiatives, we've got to do all this
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: feel good stuff that essentially we'll get us headlines. We'll
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: make sure that we're doing things peacefully and not like,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: you know, no conflict or anything like that. But the
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: reality of is that we just got to clean up shop.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: We've got to be able to clean our streets and
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: make sure that people are held accountable for their actions
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: all the way from the arrest all the way to
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: the conviction. In the courthouse.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: You just confirmed something that I just sort of felt
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: in my heart of hearts. But I've heard from other
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: residents of the city, and you're one of them. You
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: interact with people in the city all the time, people
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: of all races and ethnicities and backgrounds. I understand all that.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: You're confirming what I've always believed that the vast majority
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: of people want a good police presence. The vast majority
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: of people want them patrolling the area, and they want
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: juveniles or whoever have the commits crind held accountable for it. Yeah,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: so this narrative that everyone thinks the police department is
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: just bad, and then we need to re imagine.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Listen, we had I give this example all the time.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: We have a back to school bash every year, and
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: we'll be having it this August. We just had I
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: believe three hundred backpacks that were offered to be paid
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: for for us for our next back to school bash
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: in August this year. Cool, but we filled at the
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: high school stadium with probably about eight hundred people in
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: the area. Right, gave out three hundred backpacks to kids
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: in the community. But we had a process at the
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: door to where we had a registration and we made
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: sure that they were checked in.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: We vetted everybody coming through, and it was just a deterrent.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: I had the police swap vehicle there just for fun, right,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: because I mean, growing up, it's like you got the
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: DARE program, you got all these things where it's fun.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: You had the fire department smoke house there.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: And you know what the number one comment was was
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: from the mothers come to me and saying, thank you
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: so much for having this event and deterring any criminals
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: from coming in here through the registration. Thank you for
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: having the police officers here. But also all the kids
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: were taking pictures in the swap vehicle. They were taking
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: pictures with all the law enforcement there. They loved it.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: So the community. Every time you asked the community about
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: they said, send the cops here. We want protection, we
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: want safe streets.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the reasons for the resource
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: officers in schools. Part of it it's for crime prevention
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: and deterrence, but the other is to connect young people
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: with a positive attitude toward police. You just confirm that
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: that's what happens. Bring the police, Please bring the SWAT
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: van so they can look at it. They're gonna have
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: a great interaction and they're gonna be they're thinking that
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: the police maybe are cool.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, So I'm not trying to deter The conversation
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: started with Iris Rolies contract the conversation to start with that.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I try to get people to
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: focus on is the money that is going toward all
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: these programs and is not being spent properly by city
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: hall because you have friends that are in the pockets
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: of the council, members of mayor or whatever that might be. Instead,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: our taxpayer funds need to be properly delegated towards the
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: right things like law enforcement.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: We'll spend a few more minutes of Corey Bubman in
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: the next segment before we get to Jack Windsor from
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: the Hot Press Network at think fifteen right now fifty
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: by the Krcity talk station.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC it happens or a c the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, not.
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  Speaker 1: That I needed it. There's confirmation. It's Friday. I love
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  Speaker 1: this moment in tom An Horning shown it can be,
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  Speaker 1: as I always like to point out, depending on where
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: you're looking at it. And now we didn't talk about
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: wonderful world in downtown Cincinnati thus far. Corey Bowman here
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: over the given the topics and the subject matter we've
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: had to struggle with, and I just want to give
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: a shout out again to Todd zenz Er Citizen Watchdogs
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: his podcast. He was a former Inspector General for the
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: United States. He's just doing a wonderful job ferreting out
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: all the problems I call him Shenanigans here and doing
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: the research, analyzing and getting the figures, asking for the documents,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: and presenting it to the public, a public that either
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: will or won't pay attention. I pay attention, but I
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: know how tireless he is in his retirement, and then
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: he took on this role voluntarily, and he's been doing
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: such a great job. He would have made a great
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: city manager. My god, under the Corey Bowman Mayeric Corey
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: Bowman administration, we can dream, right, we can dream, you
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: know what could have been and what still might be
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: right because you know, we talked about Josh Girth earlier.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: He's got positive attitude. He wants to reinvigorate the Republican
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  Speaker 1: Party in Hamilton County. He hasn't given up, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to give up on the City
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  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. I mean, I love what we've got, but
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: it's if we had a better administration that really prioritize
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: like what we're talking about here, then I think things
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: can be turned around rather quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the biggest things is that
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: we you do have to hold people accountable, and the
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: public voice does that.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: And here we go on how people can help out right,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: you have.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: To, you can't just it's not just about complaining, it's
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: about getting involved.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Hamilton County is made up of a lot of different cities,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: townships and other areas, right. So when I was talking
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: with Josh Girth, new chairman of Hamilton County GOP, he's
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: focusing a lot on judicial races and the suburbs and
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of areas right there. And I kept reinforcing it,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: don't give up on the city. But you've got to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: see it as Okay, you might not be able to
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: flip one election Republican in one year, right, but we
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: can continue to make impact, We continue to move the
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: dial forward, but it's got to take people that actually
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: realize that are in it for the long haul. What
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: I would tell people as far as locally, if you
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: want to get involved there, contact the Hamilton County GOP.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: If you find the number online for the Hamilton County GOP,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: you're going to get on the phone a lovely secretary
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: named Debbie, and she's got a sweet voice on the
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: other end of it. She's been in that office since
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight and she can direct you to anywhere.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: If you want to get involved in local politics or
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: whether it be be a candidate or whether it be
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: volunteer efforts, go to a couple events there. But then
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: also even on social media, it's not just about complaining,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: but make your voice heard as far as what you're
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: unhappy with in the city, what you would like to
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: see as far as financial accountability. Todd Zenzer is a
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: perfect example. The guy retired. He should be playing golf
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: right now and a Tommy Bahama shirt and not worrying
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: about any of this. But he is taking his time
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: to hold people accountable that he's not really required to
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: do so, and he's making impact because of it.
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  Speaker 5: So well.
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  Speaker 1: It is signal ninety nine.
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  Speaker 2: Signal ninety eight nine.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: A rapier wit yes, and a spicy tongue yes. But
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: look what she brings to the table, and look how
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: her page at Facebook's blown up. She's become a reliable
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: source for the local media. Yeah, I mean one person. Now,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: I know, she's the the figurehead for a collective of
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: people behind the scenes in the fire department, in the
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: police department, all over the place, who have the whistleblower information,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: provided the goods, give her the documents, show her that
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: what they're saying and complaining about is actually true. She's
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: delivering by putting in a package that people find wildly useful.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, one person with an idea.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Well, she's been a great friend, But what I tell
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: people is that what she represents is just difference of
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: thought and opinion.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: And when you go to any city council session, whether
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: be in Cincinnati or even I was just recently in
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: Norwood as well, and you've got a lot of new
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: faces there at the Norwal City Council. But this is
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: one thing I realized about a lot of these one
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: party kind of system councils is that they will go
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: through the agenda presenting the resolution for this all in
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: favor say yes yes yes, or not in favor, say no,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: And they go around yes yes, yes, yes yes yes,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: next resolution yes yes yes, yes yes. There's no debate,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: there's no difference of opinion, and that is what breeds success,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: is trying your ideas against opposition. Yes, and that's actually
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: what everybody needs to realize. Don't let your voice not
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: be heard. Let it be louder. Don't just move out
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: of the city and say I'm done with this, I'm
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: going to move to Timbuctoo or whatever. Just make your
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: voice heard even more and let people know that, Hey,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: you need to be accountable. You need to be able
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: to have financial stability with our city budget. Don't be
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: spending our tax doll on things that don't matter, are
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: not making impact. We've got to see real results otherwise
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: we're going to vote in different people the next time.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and your philosophy along those lines is exactly what
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: Christopher Smithman's point was. You know, it was why we
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: really liked having Liz Keening on council. You know, one
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: lone voice in the wilderness compared to the rest of them,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: or all the other eight. But at least she was
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: able to make the points that you're talking about forcing
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: people to say, and whether they listen to or not.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: Most of the vast majority of the time they didn't.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: But at least that voice was there for us to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about accountability. It's all always about debate,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: you know. And that's something that we're slowly just losing,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: is the ability to just agree to disagree, the ability
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: to actually talk with people about differences of opinion and
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: having debate, because, like I said, that is what breeds
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: success is making sure that your ideas are tried and proven,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: not just putting out dictatorships.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: Well as I stare at the election, Mac job Strecker
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: put up up right after the election, the exception at
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: California and Riverside and Salor Park, it's all solid.
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  Speaker 2: So there one thing, one thing I can say is
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: that we turned California red and and done.
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  Speaker 1: Laughter. Corey Bowman, You're always welcome here, my brother. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you have a fantastic weekend. Best of health and
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: love your better half in your family.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Brian, and have a great weekend
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: to all your listeners.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk to the talk station. Hey, thirty fifty five
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  Speaker 1: dot com. I'm staring at the page right now. It's
• 2:02:40
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  Speaker 1: Always enjoy having you on the show.
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  Speaker 9: Brian, It's always an honor and a pleasure. Thank you
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 9: for choosing me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, happy to man because you provide some great information.
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  Speaker 1: And I understand you wanted to talk a little bit
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: about Andy Wilson, who's replacing Yost's attorney general here in
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: the state of Ohio.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we received a lot of inquiries from readers and
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 9: listeners because Andy Wilson is set to take over the
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 9: post of attorney general. I think it's June seventh. I
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 9: have to check my notes. But obviously Dave Yost stepped
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 9: down for an opportunity in the private sector. And medicaid
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 9: fraud cases are active, right, There's.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: A lot going on. I didn't get the memo on that.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: Now we're nationwide on that reality, we're up there with
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: Minnesota now in the reporting on it, it's always Minnesota
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: and Ohio among all the other states.
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  Speaker 9: It's scared, yes, and so a lot of people thought, well,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 9: wait a minute, if Yost is going away and this
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 9: new guy comes in. Is he going to be a placeholder?
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 9: Is he going to be aggressive? And obviously he's currently
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 9: public Safety director, but he's a former prosecutor, and many
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 9: people had some positive things to say as I started
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 9: turning over the rocks about his prosecutorial work. And I'm
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 9: happy to report that after I started digging a little bit,
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  Speaker 9: I found that Andy Wilson was actually in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 9: With O High Auditor Keith Faber. They both attended JD.
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  Speaker 9: Vance's press conference where he addressed rampant waste, fraud and
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 9: abuse in government programs, particularly Medicaid. So my understanding is
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 9: Andy Wilson is read in, and I do expect the
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 9: Ohio Auditor to be dropping more information on several ways
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 9: that waste is seeping into our system and what they're
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 9: going to do about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the first UTER job was Minnesota, and
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: there's still prosecuting people. They're still going through the records,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: and obviously there's some stonewalling by the folks up there.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: I'd like to hope that Ohio doesn't stonewall and every
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: one of the entities that has information on the fraud
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: and abuse. Would be more than happy to cooperate because
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: now we're finally we finally have our eyes focused on it.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: Oh look, but isn't it an interesting thing? Jack? Because
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: I know you've read the reporting on this the Daily Wire,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: for example, I spoke with the reporter who provided the information.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: This electronic verification is mandated by federal law. If you
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: must have this luck, this GPS tracking before you get paid,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: it's precondition of payment. You have to provide the tracking
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: information to show that provider was actually doing the thing
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: that they say they were doing, that they're billing for.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: Who in God's name shut that off in Ohio? It
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: seems to be a swirling mystery. And by what authority
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: they have to shut it down?
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  Speaker 9: Well, you know, I joke about that, and I hope
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 9: I don't convolute the matter too much and confuse listeners.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 9: But you know, remember back during COVID when the Wine
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 9: stepped in front of Amy, acting figuratively of course, and said,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 9: the buck stops with me. Well, that's what needs to
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 9: happen here, because I'm assuming it's probably the former director
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 9: of Medicaid, Maureen Corkoran, who stepped down after we started
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 9: our investigative reporting after state Representative Mike Devilla started digging
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 9: and found about six billion dollars a year flowing through
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 9: the system without proper oversight. So I think it probably
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 9: boils down to there was a bureaucrat and an administrator
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 9: in the Department of Medicaid who talked her way into
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 9: doing the thing that she shouldn't have done, which was
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 9: turn off EVV and all by the way, they brag about, well,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 9: we made it mandatory, and then once they made it mandatory,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 9: we have to remind listeners they made the GPS function
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 9: of that optional.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: YESHI gave the EVV not teeth.
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  Speaker 9: So you know, Governor Mike Dwine Keith Faber gave him
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 9: props during a testimony in the General Assembly this week
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 9: and said, you know, at least the governor has kind
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 9: of coming along with this and offering some more stringent
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 9: rules and regulations, but we have to call it what
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 9: it is. Mike DeWine did not see the light. Mike
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 9: Twine felt the heat, and so he did what he
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 9: had to do. I think, But at the end of
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 9: the day, billions of dollars probably slipped through the system
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 9: and improper payments were certainly made, and I think most
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 9: Ohioans just want to see some orange jumpsuits out of this.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, Oh yeah, absolutely, And of course, you know, maybe
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: heaven Andy Wilson is ageal result in that get some
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: people prosecuted, line them up, and that's wonderful. I just
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: still wonder what motivation someone would have to not want
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: to protect the taxpayer dollars. I know, the big fat
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: money flowing in for Medicaid helped bolster our revenues or whatever.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: I just find it offensive unethical. These are American taxpayer dollars,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: much of which come or many a lot of it
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: comes from Ohio taxpayer's i e. Constituents. But any damn
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars stolen or allowed to slip out through negligence
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: or intentional relaxing of these impediments to getting fraudulent payments
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: for allowing fraudulent payments to go out, you know, crucifixion
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: sounds to me like a good idea. Jack.
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  Speaker 9: Listen, if either you or I if we cheated the
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 9: system for say even a thousand bucks, we'd go to jail.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, These are people who allowed hundreds of millions,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 9: if not billions, of dollars to flow through the system.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 9: And I'll just say this, at the end of the day,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 9: their bureaucrats, their government union employees, they're not going to
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 9: turn on each other. And that's the problem. Luckily, Ohio
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 9: has a new Medicaid administrator. My sources tell me that
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 9: he's taking this investigation seriously, and I think that they're
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 9: going to implement some changes. You have to stay on
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 9: top of it.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Right, get in front of it, prevent it from happening
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: going out. This is I've made this comment before. We
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: do tech Front with Dave Hatter, and he always talks
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: about Internet of things devices. They're designed to just capture data,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: they're designed to get out into the market quickly. They
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: don't think about security. He always points out, you need
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: to build security in as number one feature and then
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: do whatever else your app does. I have said this
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: is the same thing. If a dollar of tax payer
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: money is going out, the first and foremost thing is
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: there should be a mechanism in there to prevent anyone
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: from bilking the system. These government programs, it's almost like
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: they're intentionally designed to be laxed to allow this to happen.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 9: You know, Yeah, what came first the chicken or the egg.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 9: A lot of people go, yeah, how do we get here? Well,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 9: I think some nefarious people found loopholes, and in places
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 9: like Minnesota, the people that exploited the loopholes, I'm certain
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 9: gave some money back to the people in power, or
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 9: delivered votes or something else. Now is that the case
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 9: in Ohio? I think you have a governor who loves
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 9: a big government and you have administrators who are just
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 9: lazy and think if there's more money in the system,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 9: that means that we're helping more people. No, it doesn't
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 9: mean that money's going to the wrong people, and the
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 9: people who really need it are not getting the resources
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 9: they need.
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  Speaker 1: And therein lies the ultimate point. Jack windsor pause the
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  Speaker 1: ohiopressnetwork dot Com. We're gonna find out about Well there's
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: that word again. If it comes from government and has
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: the word free next to it, there ain't no free lunch.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: Jack Wins is going to talk about free college and
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: tech schools. We'll get to that in a moment. Please
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  Speaker 1: stick around.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC.
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  Speaker 1: I'm no talk station. It is ay thirty nine to
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: fifty five KRC detalk station. It is Friday, and I'm
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: happy about it. I got Jack Windsor, I'm staring at him.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: I get the benefit of seeing them on zoom, and
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: we get the benefit of his commentary. And of course
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: he's reporting the Ohio Pressnetwork dot Com pivoting over there.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: Ain't no free lunch, Jackwindsor, you know that. But making
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: public college and tech schools free huh wow.
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  Speaker 9: It sounds great on the surface, right Becovery saying free
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 9: sounds great. They tell you an economics class, ain't no
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 9: such thing as a free lunch. And that's really the
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 9: case here. Democrats dropped Housepill eight fifty four, and it's
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 9: designed to make public college and trade school tuition free
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 9: in Ohio. And it would make tuition free at the
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 9: public colleges and trade schools. And the pitch for doing
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 9: that is, well, this will remove the cost barrier, it
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 9: will help lower income earners, it will help minorities. But
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 9: the funding mechanism, as you can probably figure out, is
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 9: new taxes on high earners, bigger payroll taxes on businesses,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 9: and along the line of nothing is free, somebody's going
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 9: to pay somewhere, and in this case, the bill shifts
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 9: the cost onto successful ohioans and employers who create jobs here.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 9: And really, when you dig into this, it's classic tax
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 9: and spend. Sounds compassionate on the surface, but raises the
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 9: cost of doing business in Ohio. And I think not
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 9: only does it hit higher income earners who already carry.
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  Speaker 1: A heavy load.
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  Speaker 9: The real question is whether it creates more opportunit tunity,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 9: or just another program that grows government and raises everyone's
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  Speaker 9: tax burden. And I think it's the latter. It grows government,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 9: raises the tax burden. And Brian, you know enough about economics.
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  Speaker 9: What's going to happen when you put this artificial increase
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 9: in demand signal in the marketplace? Demand goes up, Supply
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  Speaker 9: really doesn't. So colleges are going to get crafty. And
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  Speaker 9: we've seen this before right play out with government funding
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  Speaker 9: and colleges got fat, the degree got less valuable. And
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  Speaker 9: that's what you're going to run into here, is you're
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  Speaker 9: going to have a bunch of degrees that don't hold
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  Speaker 9: as much value, and somebody's going to get left holding
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  Speaker 9: the bag for the cost of this education, and usually
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 9: it's the average taxpayer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know you mentioned the degrees it less valuable.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose if the college education is free at least
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: you know under a you have to pay for it
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: or go into debt to pay for it mechanism, and
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't always worked out well for everybody. You have
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  Speaker 1: some incentive to pursue a degree that is going to
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  Speaker 1: result in employment, not some sort of social and you
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: know nonsensical studies program about you know that's a hobby man.
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  Speaker 1: I say that about art degrees. I've made fun of myself.
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  Speaker 1: I got a political science degree, Jack, What the hell
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  Speaker 1: could I have done with that? I went to law school.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I got the political science degree is because
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to go to law school, not
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: that I was going to get in. We still had
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: meritocracy back then, SOE had competition, but I did get in. Otherwise,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: I look back on it and going, well, I loved politics.
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  Speaker 1: I got to talk about politics and wax poetic about
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  Speaker 1: philosophy and things like that. But would I have been
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: employed with a political science degree, Same thing with an
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  Speaker 1: art degree, same thing with a I don't know, black
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  Speaker 1: studies program. Maybe it's valuable on some level, but there
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  Speaker 1: isn't a job out there for a lot of these degrees.
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  Speaker 1: You make it free. It sounds to me like, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to create more of these. Oh, I just want
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: to go and study you know, Italian ancient history or something.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well said. So, not only do you lower the
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  Speaker 9: cost of the degree. I here's the other thing that
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  Speaker 9: I think you you really run the risk of doing.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 9: We've covered several stories that came from accuracy and media.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 9: I don't know if you've ever run across them, but
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  Speaker 9: they've done a lot of great investigative work in Ohio,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 9: Kent State University, University of Cincinnati, the Ohio State University,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 9: University of Toledo, all of those schools have been found
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 9: skirting the recent Senate bill one law change that requires
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 9: colleges to not make DEI mandatory. Well guess what they're
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 9: doing exactly what they were doing before the legislature made
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 9: the change. And so you go, oh, okay, so they're
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 9: willfully choosing to indoctrinate students. And I look at that
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  Speaker 9: and go, no, thanks. I don't want a free education
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 9: for kids that are going to go into an indoctrination center.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, and by the way, the trade part of
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  Speaker 9: it maybe is a little better. I love the idea
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 9: of kids graduating with a trade. But again, you have
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  Speaker 9: to ask yourself the question who's going to ultimately pay
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 9: the price and how valuable is the.
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  Speaker 1: Education going to be? Well, and you hit the nail
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  Speaker 1: on the head of something. It just troubles me to know.
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  Speaker 1: And this idea that you know it K through two
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: well twelve has now been polluted with this left wing
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: ideology that used to be exclusively the realm of college
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: and now they want to have pre K. So from
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: womb to womb to know age twenty two to twenty
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: four through college, it's one constant indoctrination camp. And so
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: this this sort of this feeding at the collective trophy
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: and handing out free college educations just ensures that more
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: people are going to be subjected to the indoctrination you
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: talk about.
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  Speaker 9: Which is exactly why democrats love it. Progressives love it
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 9: and will continue to pitch it. They love the idea
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 9: of using other people's money to indoctrinate other people's kids.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: They do, and so much of our taxpayer dollars, whether
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: it's along these lines, go to do that. But also
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: the taxpayer dollars like for example, that flow into the
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: city coffers funding a bunch of non governmental organizations which
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: are canvassing and roaming the streets and support of left
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: wing candidates in their off time. That's the reward they
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: get from getting city taxpayer dollars for whatever community work
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: they're doing. Jack Wentz, and don't call what we're going
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: to talk about the debate over data centers. People not
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: real happy with them, But can we say no to them?
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor from the High Press Network One more segment.
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  Speaker 7: Scott Henchel would.
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  Speaker 1: Got one more segment with Jackson the line the debate
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: over data centers, And I guess I understand on some
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: level why people don't like them. You know, it's like
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: windmill farms or solar panel farms. You know, people got
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: a problem with them. They don't look good. They in
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: this case use up key bloods of electricity, right, Jack,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: and our electricity builds. I don't know how you feel
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: about it. Mine's gone through the roof and I'm not
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: happy about it. But I hope that someday that these
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: AI centers will bring forth a new revolution with small
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: modular reactors so we can all have cheap abound of
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: electricity with no carbon. Jack, fine, but this technology is
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: coming whether we want it or not. And I think, Jack,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this and see if you feel
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: the same way I do. I think a lot of
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: the online backlash, the social media anti artificial intelligence pose
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: and people's anger toward it, and this being elevated to
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: the point we're getting really really anti AI is generated
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: a lot by our adversaries, like the CCP, maybe the Russians.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Someone is going to dominate this, and
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: if we don't take the bull by the horns and
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: be that someone, then we're gonna end up falling by
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: the wayside in a bad way. So it's coming whether
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: we like it or not. Do we want to control
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: it or do we want to say nimb to everything
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: not in my backyard and let somebody else do it?
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  Speaker 9: Jack your thoughts, There's a lot there, and I could
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 9: talk about this for an hour. I like to use
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 9: this comparison. Imagine that we're in the early nineteen hundreds
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 9: and some people are squawking because they own a buggy
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 9: company and they think if we make the wheels better,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 9: if we find a better whip, the horses will go faster.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: Anny DeVito, Yeah, the automobile is ruthless people. Wasn't it
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: that movie? Yeah, there's that what it was. There'll be
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: one buggy whip manufacturer left. It'll be the best buggy
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: whip in the world, but nobody's gonna buy it because
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: we've moved on.
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  Speaker 9: And that's really where we are with AI. Like, I'm
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 9: looking at you right now and you have a Cincinnati
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 9: Reds jersey on it right. For years, how many people
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 9: complained about how much money professional athletes make? You know
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 9: what my answer was, then don't watch, don't buy the apparel,
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 9: don't go to the game. When the market demands something,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 9: people are going to deliver it. And so the hard
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 9: reality is we have AI because people are using AI.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 9: And I think what we have to think about is
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 9: what is fair, what is safe? And at what point
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 9: is government involvement excessive? And so I think that's what
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 9: we're wrestling with now. Luckily of Ohio really is on
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 9: the bleeding edge. You hit the nail on the head.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 9: We have legislation that has been passed that allows these
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 9: data centers to build their own power supply on site,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 9: which is important. Governor Dewined this week just paused the
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 9: tax exemption for new data center, so that part of
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 9: the challenge is going away because most people go, look,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 9: I don't want to carry the burden that these big
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 9: companies should be carrying. And so that's kind of falling
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 9: into place. And I think there's still this ecological aspect
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 9: as well. Is my wastewater going to be brown? Is
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 9: it gonna screw with the water supply? We have to
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 9: really figure those things out. Ty Matthews State Representative has
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 9: a bill, it's six point twenty eight designed to create
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 9: an independent verification organization to verify the safety and risk
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 9: mitigation of artificial intelligence models and applications. It would go
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 9: up under the Attorney General's office and the auditor would
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 9: have some purview there. So, you know, there are a
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 9: lot of moving pieces, but I'm going to go back
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 9: to one thing. People are demanding it, and on both sides.
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  Speaker 9: What really concerns me, Brian is you have it doesn't
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 9: surprise me that AOC and Bernie Sanders don't want data
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 9: centers What concerns me is there are some people on
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 9: the extreme or alternative right who have really complex conspiracy
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 9: theories that has really created some hate and vitriol for
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 9: technological advancement, which concerns me a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Conspiracy conspiracy theories along the lines of what Jack.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 9: Surveillance state that we're all going to go crazy, that
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 9: it causes cancer, that they're going to be able to
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 9: surveil everything you want, and I go, they already do.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, right, we know this is going on. Yeah,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: the whole five A court thing, the whole idea. We
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: got this the Patriot Act where they can listen to
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: phone calls some foreign nationals, and if you talk to
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: a foreign national, as I have in the past, and
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: I got a friend lives in France, that means that
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: they can listen to every conversation you've had. Everybody else.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: We talk with Judging and Aapaul Todd about this all
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  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, So I think it's it's about striking that balance.
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  Speaker 9: And look, I think this will eventually come into play.
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  Speaker 9: But Ohio is one of the top five states in
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 9: the country. We have over two hundred data centers and
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 9: a lot of Nimbi's people.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: People will use it.
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  Speaker 9: My guess is many of the people who say not
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 9: in my backyard are also on rock or chat GPT,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 9: really yucking it up and more efficient personally or with
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 9: their businesses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is not to say I embraced the whole
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: idea that we have to deal with AI, because honestly, Jack,
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: I wish this was this was a technological development, never happened.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: If for no other reason, it's dumbing down the population,
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: most notably our children, are relying on it. It's no
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: longer logic and reason that leads you to the answer.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: I love the Internet pre AI because all the information
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: was there. You had to go out find it, read
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: the article, draw your own conclusions, and come up with
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: some satisfactory answer to whatever it is you wanted to
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: get out of the world in terms of information. This
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: takes all that out of the equation. You ask one question,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: and this scrapes data from literally the four corners of
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: the world of the Internet and summarizes it for you,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: which is lazy.
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  Speaker 9: Not only is it lazy, it comes back to a
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 9: really significant issue that we can't gloss over by programs.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 9: The programmer right bias, who yeah, bias, what's in that
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 9: person's mind that wrote the code, because this will eventually
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 9: be self generating. But when you go all the way
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 9: back to the source, to the beginning, what is that
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 9: person or what is that code believe in? And if
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 9: that's not right, you know how that works. You can
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 9: be off this much in the beginning. Years down the
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 9: road you're miles apart. And so that's the drift. I
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 9: get really concerned about who is God? Who are we?
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 9: What is our role? What is the truth? What government
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 9: structure works. If we don't get any of that right,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 9: we could be screwed.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: That's the direction that I always think. But going back
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: to the original premise, it's out there. You can't unring
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: the bell, and so you better damn we'll get in
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: front of it. Because as much as I have well
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: less a belief in my own government because of all
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: the times we've been allied to, I a lot trust
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: or trust us a lot more to deal with it
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: and provide the truth and maybe some oversight that will
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: ensure that this nefarious element never happens. You're more likely
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: to get that here than any place else on the globe.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 9: That's accurate, and by the way, I want to make
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 9: sure that I validate one thing that you're saying, not
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 9: that you need my validation, but China is very much
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 9: behind the push within America to get people to hate
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 9: data centers in AI and technological advancement because they'd love
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 9: to win that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's ultimately my argument ain't going away.
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  Speaker 1: We better be in charge of it. Jack Wins at
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  Speaker 1: Vohio Pressnetwork dot com. Jack, I appreciate your time every
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: week here on the fifty five Kersey Morning ShW. I'm
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: looking forward to next Friday and doing it again.
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  Speaker 2: Go Reds.
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• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: dad's shirt from fifty years ago. I got a REDS
• 2:22:33
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