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From Bread Baking to Discipleship Making with Stefano Fehr & Iran’s Children, Women, and the Church with Lana Silk · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Start your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Cold spaghetti is great. Okay.
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  S3: Okay, I disagree, I guess. No, no, certainly it is not. No. Okay. Well, man,
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  S3: I'm going back.
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  S2: To my bachelor days. I guess I thought cold spaghetti
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  S2: was universally loved.
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  S4: I've never been known for, like, high levels of coordination.
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  S4: That's just. It feels like.
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  S2: I've never been known for high levels of coordination.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S4: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S4: that would make it worth it.
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  S5: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S5: the life source, which is God.
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  S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S6: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S6: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew discipleship.
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  S2: As simple as having Jesus in front of us, having
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  S2: the Word of God open, seeing the way he lived.
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  S2: And by the way, just parenthetically, some of the ways
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  S2: he lived, we don't feature enough in modern Christianity. We
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  S2: just don't. And one of the things that he's noted
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  S2: for over and over again is rising early, going to
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  S2: a quiet place, withdrawing from crowds, spending time alone with
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  S2: the father who sent him. And, you know, it's it's
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  S2: it's easy to see a lot of what he proclaimed
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  S2: and even what he told us to do. But we
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  S2: got to look at those disciplines that are in the
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  S2: kind of the the boiler room of the soul of
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  S2: a person and see what he modeled. One of them is.
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  S2: He got away. He got away to quiet places. He
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  S2: rode away from crowds at times, many of whom needed
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  S2: some healing. And the reason I mention that is I
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  S2: truly believe that all of the. And their good. Going
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  S2: to small groups serving. Identifying your gifts, going on short
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  S2: term missions, giving financially. All those things are great things.
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  S2: But the fuel of the boiler room of the soul
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  S2: that makes those dynamic is connectivity with our father. Connectivity.
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  S2: Connectivity by means of hearing what the Holy Spirit's saying
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  S2: in our life and then walking it out. And oftentimes
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  S2: those get lost in the whole heap of everything that
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  S2: we're doing. And by the way, that's easy to happen.
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  S2: That's why the book of Galatians is so powerful. Who
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  S2: has bewitched you that that you began in the spirit
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  S2: while you were working out in the flesh? This is
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  S2: why it's like Paul talking to the Corinthian church saying
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  S2: it's you're not taking communion. This isn't the Lord's Supper.
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  S2: This is your party. You got different groups of you
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  S2: getting together, and some of you are getting hammered drunk
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  S2: off your keester before you can even begin to acknowledge
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  S2: really what the Lord's Supper is all about. So it's
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  S2: it's a call constantly to come back to those quiet
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  S2: still moments where we're letting God search our hearts. Why?
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  S2: Because we don't see ourselves rightly. And if you think
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  S2: you do. Oh, boy. We got to get sobered up
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  S2: enough to to realize that, wow, this, this life that
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  S2: I live is sometimes motivated by some funky stuff, and
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  S2: it's okay. I don't get beat up by that. We
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  S2: just go. All right. God, look at me now. What's
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  S2: going on? What's motivated me yesterday? We're talking with Jim daily.
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  S2: It's like, what's the why behind what I do? Why
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  S2: am I, why am I doing why did I say
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  S2: that at that meeting?
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  S3: Why do it's so important to ask, you know, why.
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  S2: Do I say that?
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  S5: Because sometimes it feels like it's hard to identify where
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  S5: that's coming from. But the Holy Spirit will let us
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  S5: know those things if we talk to him and investigate
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  S5: it with him. And then, I mean, don't feel shame
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  S5: about that. We have all experienced it.
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  S2: Oh my goodness.
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  S3: Yes.
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  S5: But take those motives, take those motives to the Lord
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  S5: and say, Lord, I recognize that I said this at
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  S5: this meeting. Or, you know, maybe I threw this idea
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  S5: out there more to glorify myself than to glorify you. Uh,
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  S5: I give that to you, Lord, and I'm sorry.
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  S2: Or I didn't say something because I'm in this heap
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  S2: of insecurity, right? Is that where you were going?
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  S3: Going. All right, well.
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  S2: I'm sorry about.
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  S3: That. No, no, no.
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  S6: We got it out there.
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  S2: But it's that's often the case. We fall off on
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  S2: two sides of this thing.
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  S5: Oh, yeah.
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  S2: Especially when it comes to public interactions, when it comes
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  S2: to any kind of public interactions. And I'm saying public
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  S2: is anything beyond you yourself and you, whenever we get
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  S2: into a exchange or an opportunity to speak up, we
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  S2: can fall off on two sides. And that is we're
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  S2: speaking motivated by stuff that maybe isn't right at all,
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  S2: or we're not speaking motivated by stuff that isn't right
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  S2: at all. And so this is why really connecting with God,
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  S2: by the way, that's an interesting point. We often feature
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  S2: the stuff that gets said. That's dumb, but how about
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  S2: the stuff that doesn't get said? That's righteous? Yeah, that
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  S2: would be a great contribution to a meeting, an interaction
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  S2: with a child, whatever. Sometimes fear can hold us back.
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  S2: Or who am I to say anything?
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  S5: Well, I mean, that was the that was kind of
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  S5: the sin of Adam. Uh, you know.
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  S3: Not kind of.
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  S5: I mean, it is, it is. And Eve ate the apple,
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  S5: but the instructions came to Adam first and and then
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  S5: Eve brought that to Adam, and he didn't say anything.
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  S5: And he ate the apple when he had been clearly
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  S5: told not.
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  S3: To.
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  S2: Until he blamed God. And even one.
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  S3: Sentence. Yeah, right.
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  S5: It's the wife.
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  S3: You gave.
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  S2: This woman you gave.
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  S3: Me. Yeah.
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  S7: This woman.
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  S3: That's pretty.
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  S5: That's pretty bold.
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  S3: It is bold.
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  S5: And not a good.
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  S3: Way.
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  S2: You know, and and we just gotta, we just gotta
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  S2: remember this, guys. We just stop. Slow down for a second. Go.
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  S2: All right. I'm heading into a day here, a Friday
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  S2: heading into a big weekend. Why do I do what
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  S2: I do? Why am I going to say what I say?
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  S2: Why do I not say what I need to say? Okay, Lord,
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  S2: now I'm totally identified with you. You are my leader.
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  S2: I am your child. I'm totally secure in your arms,
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  S2: so I've got nothing to prove. I've got nothing to gain,
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  S2: nothing to lose. So. Okay, Lord, here's, here's the thing.
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  S2: You're at work in me. It is the chief end
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  S2: of man to glorify God by enjoying him forever. So
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  S2: that chief end is going to drive what I say.
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  S2: And I'm asking by the power of your spirit, to
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  S2: prompt me with how to even speak to my spouse,
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  S2: my children, my grandchildren, the guy at the dry cleaner.
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  S2: Why do I mention that all the time, I don't know.
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  S2: I run in the same couple every time I'm there.
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  S2: They own this place and I have great conversations with them,
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  S2: but every conversation is an Opportunity. So then you got
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  S2: to ask the question. This is probably your this is
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  S2: probably more in your wheelhouse. Why don't I say what
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  S2: I could say? Right?
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  S6: Absolutely. You kind of want to kick yourself afterwards and
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  S6: you're thinking the prompting and it's like the Holy Spirit's going, um, hello?
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  S3: Hello?
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  S6: You didn't show up there. What's going on here? Um,
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  S6: but yeah, but don't let it, like, drop you back
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  S6: five paces again, okay? You missed it. Learn. Move forward
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  S6: with that. Be more attuned next time. Don't let it
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  S6: make you fall backwards on that.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: Yeah. Have you ever missed an opportunity to encourage someone
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  S2: where somebody did something or they or, or to console
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  S2: someone and you walk away going. All I had to
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  S2: do was put an arm around that shoulder and say,
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  S2: you know, let's pray right now. Yeah, that's all I
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  S2: had to do.
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  S5: And for some reason we don't.
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  S2: But super dives, right? You can kick yourself in the
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  S2: teeth yourself. You can reach that big old foot up
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  S2: there and bam, bam, bam, kick yourself in your own teeth.
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  S2: And it's like, no, we just learn and assess, adjust,
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  S2: go forward, and we get a shot at that opportunity.
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  S2: Usually it's right around the corner. You get another shot,
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  S2: an opportunity like that, and God shows us, yep, you
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  S2: can trust the Holy Spirit. You can trust the spirit.
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  S2: The father says it's to your advantage and you can
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  S2: keep walking. Oh, big general question today, what is your big,
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  S2: bold next step with Jesus? What is that? I just
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  S2: want you to think about that. What is that big,
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  S2: bold next step? What is that discipleship move that you're
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  S2: making with your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ? I don't know,
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  S2: let me think about this one for a second here.
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  S2: I don't I don't believe that God will necessarily give
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  S2: you something new every day. That's a new step. But
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  S2: at minimum, it's a reaffirmation of a step that he
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  S2: called you to take a day ago or a week
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  S2: ago or something like that. So it's either a new
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  S2: step of faith walking with Jesus, or it's a reaffirmation
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  S2: of something that he showed you a week, a month
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  S2: ago or something like that. And you're just boom, boom, boom, boom,
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  S2: you're carving that path. You're walking the road less traveled.
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  S2: Pretty cool stuff. I don't know what it is for
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  S2: you today, guys, but on this Freedom Friday, we are
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  S2: no fool to keep in step with Jesus. Man, that's
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  S2: the wheelhouse. And then he'll guide us. What to say,
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  S2: what not to say. How to move.
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  S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
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  S1: You're listening to Cast and Crew.
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  S2: It's cast and crew here on this Freedom Friday. Let's
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  S2: keep in step with God. And one of those ways
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  S2: that we do that is we begin to look outside ourselves.
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  S2: One of the greatest ways to keep in step with
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  S2: God and to be a follower of Jesus. If you
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  S2: notice the life of Jesus, he was always looking for
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  S2: opportunities to minister to people. Now, he didn't exhaust himself
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  S2: on that hill, but he looked for opportunities. One of
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  S2: the greatest things we can do is in this, especially
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  S2: in this digital age, get all the information we can
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  S2: glean so that we can know how to pray for
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  S2: people that are in harm's way. Getting a Iran update
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  S2: coming up here, man, it is dicey in the Middle East.
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  S2: My goodness, they want peace, but they're lobbing drones everywhere,
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  S2: for crying out loud. So what's going on with the
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  S2: church in Iran? Hang on.
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  S1: Take your next step with Jesus. Today you're listening to
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  S1: Carl and Crew.
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  S2: The stakes in Iran are way higher than uranium dust.
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  S2: Way higher than oil through the Strait of Hormuz, and
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  S2: one of the biggest ones is near and dear to
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  S2: our heart. Every one of you listening, you just get
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  S2: sickened by child sex slavery. Now, I don't think I'm
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  S2: making a reach here at all. But for 40 plus
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  S2: years since the Shah was deposed in Iran, the age
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  S2: of consent for marrying has dropped from 18 years old
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  S2: down to nine years old. Now, their ruling is that
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  S2: somehow it needs the consent of a guardian or a father.
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  S2: But what they're doing is in poverty. Bless their hearts, man,
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  S2: I get it. But they're selling these children, in essence,
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  S2: to men. These girls. Lana, I think one of the
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  S2: greatest reasons that we need regime change is not just
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  S2: for persecution, but for the lives of little ones. I'm
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  S2: not reaching here, am I, sister?
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  S8: No, you're not at all, Carl and I hate to
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  S8: bring even worse statistics.
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  S3: To.
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  S8: You, but we have seen reports of children as young
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  S8: as five being married. The legal age. Minimum age. For
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  S8: a girl to be married without the consent of a
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  S8: parent is 12. But there is no legal minimum if
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  S8: the parent consents.
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  S2: Ooh. Hold it. So they don't even need parental consent.
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  S2: 12 on and I had heard the number was nine
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  S2: with parental consent. But you're saying it's going younger than that.
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  S2: I mean Lana. Lana silk. My guest right now, she's
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  S2: president and chief executive officer of Transform Iran. I mean,
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  S2: that's reason enough to pray and appeal for an overthrow
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  S2: of this regime, isn't it, Lana?
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  S8: Oh, yes. Carl. It's horrific. I mean, it really is
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  S8: not an overstretch to say that the Iranian people are
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  S8: traumatized people these days. You know, this is 90 million
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  S8: people who are living with every kind of trauma you
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  S8: can imagine. There's obviously the economic strain. But just in
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  S8: every way. The human psyche, you know, the the control,
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  S8: the repression, the silencing, the abuse. You know, there's I
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  S8: don't know if I've told you before in our chats
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  S8: about the legal system of Syria, the temporary marriage, if
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  S8: I explained that to you.
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  S3: Before.
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  S2: Know, what is that all about?
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  S8: Um, so in Islam, they, uh, you're not allowed. Well,
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  S8: in Shiite Islam, in Iran, a man can only have
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  S8: one woman. He can only have sex with one married woman. Okay.
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  S8: But in this, uh, I think there are exceptions for
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  S8: having multiple wives, but they have to be married, uh,
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  S8: in order to get around that law. They have a
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  S8: law that is called Syria, which is a temporary marriage.
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  S8: So in that case, a man can take a female.
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  S8: And I use that word deliberately because it could technically
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  S8: even be a baby. They can take a female of
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  S8: any age to an Islamic cleric and have a temporary
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  S8: marriage blessed. And this temporary marriage could even be a
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  S8: matter of hours. Or it could be days or weeks
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  S8: or months. And of course, that is basically legalizing rape.
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  S8: And it happens constantly. Women are victim victims of Syria
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  S8: up and down the country. And many of the women
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  S8: that we minister to were having to deal with the
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  S8: aftermath of having experienced something like that.
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  S2: Making me sick to my stomach. Lana. Oh. It's awful.
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  S3: Mhm.
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  S2: Okay, so what's going on here? I think it's important.
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  S2: I don't know that we've gotten into the weeds of this.
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  S2: So we got radical clerics and then we've got governmental officials.
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  S2: It seems that the Republican Guard, radical clerics, almost have
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  S2: more stroke in Iran right now than any of the
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  S2: on TV presidents and those that are communicating on behalf
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  S2: of the government. It seems like we're dealing with two
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  S2: different heads of a monster here.
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  S8: Yeah, that is true, though. In truth, the political arm
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  S8: in Iran, the certainly the president has been more of
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  S8: a puppet figure, um, in this regime, then the, you know,
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  S8: the real power has been the clerics and the IRGC
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  S8: certainly are a very powerful entity. The IRGC also has
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  S8: businesses all around the country that have economic interests. Some
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  S8: estimate even a third of Iran's economy is controlled by them.
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  S8: So they are certainly one of the most, if not
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  S8: the most powerful entity in Iran today.
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  S2: Where is this going to go? I feel like the
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  S2: current regime is probably sabotaging themselves here by lobbing drones
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  S2: into the UAE and what are supposed to be their allies.
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  S2: I don't know what's going to happen here these next
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  S2: few days and weeks. This is it, isn't it? Lana.
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  S8: I really hope so, Carl. I mean, what we don't
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  S8: want to see is months and heaven forbid, years of
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  S8: drawn out struggle like this. I don't know how long
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  S8: the people trapped within the country of Iran are going
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  S8: to be able to survive that kind of prolonged suffering. Uh,
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  S8: but yes, I mean, what the way it looks to
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  S8: me is an increasingly angry, wounded enemy, lashing out, making
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  S8: irrational decisions and acting out in fear and in anger. Uh,
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  S8: so they are certainly isolating themselves across the Middle East.
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  S8: They they were never the most popular in the Middle
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  S8: East to start with because of the Sunni Shiite divide.
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  S8: But these last few months have really seen them increasingly isolated.
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  S8: And they're going to be more and more volatile as
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  S8: time goes by until they can be. Um, I don't
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  S8: want to say put down. That's the only word coming
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  S8: to my head.
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  S3: Yeah. No, I'm with you.
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  S8: You know, put in their place.
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  S2: Yeah. Put down is a good, good term. Yeah. Uh,
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  S2: Lana Silk, my guest right now, president and CEO of
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  S2: Transform Iran, by the way, you're trilingual. Are you English?
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  S2: Farsi and I'm guessing Arabic or is it something else?
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  S8: Armenian.
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  S3: Armenian.
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  S8: Armenian. It's an ethnic minority. Yes. Iran? Yes.
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  S2: So you're communicating in, uh, heart language as much as
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  S2: you can. Have you had much communication? Do you have
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  S2: any pipeline to know what's going on with this brother?
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  S2: Our dear brothers and sisters. That number in the millions,
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  S2: I guess. Now in Iran. What's going on?
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  S8: Yes, we have been getting updates, Carl. You know, it
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  S8: is so awe inspiring the way the Iranian believers continue
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  S8: in faith, in hope, in courage. I really marvel it's
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  S8: a testament to the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit
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  S8: and what happens in our lives when we really do
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  S8: put Jesus first and and rely on him as the
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  S8: source of our joy and our hope and our peace,
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  S8: because then that's unshakable. And that's what's been happening in Iran.
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  S8: As I'm hearing the testimonies, people are traveling, our pastors
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  S8: are traveling to minister to those who are isolated because
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  S8: of these internet crackdowns. There have been multiple weeks where
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  S8: certain believers have been completely cut off from their support network.
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  S8: And so our pastors have decided to go and visit
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  S8: with them. And this is, of course, a great risk.
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  S8: And the testing is coming through. There was this one
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  S8: lady not so long ago who had been really isolated, struggling,
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  S8: and her prayer had been that maybe one day a
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  S8: Christian would visit her in her home. And, you know,
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  S8: this is an outlandish prayer for her. And then soon after,
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  S8: she has this pastor visiting, totally overwhelmed. And they bring aid.
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  S8: We send them funds from the support that our generous
• 18:52
  S8: partners give us. So they were able to take aid
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  S8: to this family as well, who've been struggling to feed
• 18:57
  S8: their kids and just a wonderful time of ministry. But
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  S8: the beautiful extra that came out of it was her husband,
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  S8: who had been close to the gospel for some time,
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  S8: finally had that moment where he really saw the love
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  S8: of Jesus in action and chose to follow Christ. So
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  S8: we're seeing some cool, some cool things happening because the
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  S8: Christians are not being silenced.
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  S2: That is so beautiful. Are Christians? Are. Are they? Is
• 19:23
  S2: it is it? I know everyone, they're under inflation over there.
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  S2: Everyone's paying the price right now, but are Christians less
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  S2: able to be gainfully employed because of where they stand
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  S2: with Christ, or how does that work?
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  S8: There is an element of that, but I don't think
• 19:40
  S8: the current circumstances have made it worse. Um, there's always
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  S8: a risk if you knowingly employ a Christian, and if
• 19:47
  S8: the government knows that someone is a Christian, they make
• 19:49
  S8: it harder for them to get employment through multiple other
• 19:52
  S8: means as well. But that's been ongoing for years and
• 19:55
  S8: decades in the current circumstances. If anything, there's a little
• 19:59
  S8: bit more solidarity amongst the people. So I don't think
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  S8: people would be, um, you know, regular employers would be
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  S8: taking note of someone's faith as much as the fact
• 20:08
  S8: that they're all in this together against this awful regime.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: Lana. Lana, we're with you, sister. We're with you here.
• 20:15
  S2: And and we've got a lot of great people in
• 20:18
  S2: what we call the boom crew. And we got people
• 20:21
  S2: that pray and this these prayers. Listen, let's let's keep
• 20:25
  S2: knocking on heaven's door here, guys. I'm I'm reminded in
• 20:29
  S2: second Kings seven that things looked utterly dire in the
• 20:32
  S2: city of Samaria. And in 24 hours, God turned the
• 20:38
  S2: entire economy and situation around 24 hours. What seemed absolutely impossible.
• 20:45
  S2: God did. And we need to pray believing boom crew,
• 20:49
  S2: I want you to be a part of this effort
• 20:51
  S2: if you can. If you feel prompted by God. Uh,
• 20:54
  S2: you know, what's great is that the Holy Spirit will
• 20:56
  S2: guide and direct, but you might have boom, a little
• 20:58
  S2: prompting from the spirit right now. That's like, let's go
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  S2: just text the word transform. You heard the word, uh,
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  S2: you partner up with transform Iran and you can be
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  S2: a part of helping even feed our brothers and sisters, pastors,
• 21:13
  S2: leaders that are in harm's way and really need to
• 21:16
  S2: keep the gospel cooking in Iran right now. And what
• 21:20
  S2: an opportunity. What an open door text. Transform to 805 557898.
• 21:27
  S2: Transform to 805 557898. Go to that website. You'll find
• 21:34
  S2: prayer prompts as well. Guys. Godspeed.
• 21:37
  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 21:41
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 21:45
  S1: Moody radio.
• 21:46
  S2: All right, guys. Uh, what a sobering conversation with Lana Silk.
• 21:54
  S5: Yeah. No kidding.
• 21:55
  S2: Oh my goodness. You hear stuff like that and it's like,
• 21:58
  S2: you gotta be kidding me, man. I mean, it's reason
• 22:01
  S2: enough for regime change. So we sex slavery is. I mean,
• 22:07
  S2: I went to India, remember when I went to Mumbai
• 22:10
  S2: and went over there for the purpose of seeing these
• 22:14
  S2: brothels and getting these girls rescued from that situation, girls
• 22:18
  S2: and women. But so these pimps in this brothel in Mumbai.
• 22:24
  S2: They keep these girls either drugged up or liquored up
• 22:30
  S2: and get them addicted. But what's worse is they get
• 22:34
  S2: them paying for their little cubicle that they're that they
• 22:38
  S2: call home, but it's where they have to do their
• 22:40
  S2: work whenever they're demanded to do their work. And they
• 22:46
  S2: get so indebted to these pimps that you can't get
• 22:48
  S2: out of this thing unless somebody. Yeah, you can't get out.
• 22:52
  S2: And it's, it's, it's so I mean, sickening isn't even
• 22:56
  S2: a good word, right? I mean.
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  S5: I don't think there is a word good enough to
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  S5: describe it.
• 23:01
  S3: But.
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  S2: I mean, I guess the best word is godless.
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  S5: Yeah.
• 23:05
  S2: There's no compass whatsoever left in these guys. Yeah. And
• 23:09
  S2: and it's so heartbreaking. And and the question is, can
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  S2: we all get desensitized to areas in our life that
• 23:17
  S2: are anything but godly? And the fact is, yeah, but
• 23:22
  S2: we need to keep our eyes wide open and our
• 23:25
  S2: spirits sensitive to what in the world is going on
• 23:27
  S2: in this world and just in Iran. And by the way,
• 23:30
  S2: I did a search on this. This is not the
• 23:32
  S2: only country that marries off nine year olds or does
• 23:37
  S2: this thing that they somehow justify.
• 23:39
  S5: Goodness gracious.
• 23:39
  S2: No, it's there's multiple countries that do this. But one
• 23:46
  S2: of the greatest reasons for regime change is, look, I'm
• 23:50
  S2: sure the Shah of Iran was a knucklehead and he
• 23:53
  S2: was probably looting the treasury, like left and right. And
• 23:56
  S2: he had French Riviera palaces and all that, because all
• 24:00
  S2: these guys do all these all these guys, they've all
• 24:03
  S2: got French Riviera palaces.
• 24:05
  S3: Yep.
• 24:06
  S2: It's just crazy.
• 24:07
  S5: Well, the rest of the country starts.
• 24:08
  S2: Yeah, well, the rest of the country is starving, but there,
• 24:13
  S2: there is a case for lesser of two evils. And
• 24:16
  S2: give me the Shah that married off girls at 18
• 24:20
  S2: and below it you were. You were called a rapist.
• 24:22
  S2: You know what I'm saying?
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  S5: 100%.
• 24:25
  S2: You were classified as a rapist. It's hard to even
• 24:27
  S2: say these words on air. I mean, so there's a
• 24:32
  S2: bunch of Christ followers in Iran, and they're going for it.
• 24:36
  S2: I mean, they're there. They're sharing their faith in what's
• 24:40
  S2: I the irony is that you would think that their
• 24:43
  S2: prayer would be, could somebody get me sponsored to immigrate
• 24:47
  S2: to America? Right.
• 24:48
  S3: Give me.
• 24:48
  S6: Out. Give me out.
• 24:49
  S3: Yeah.
• 24:50
  S2: Yeah. Could somebody get me out of here? Nope. I've
• 24:52
  S2: never heard that from any of these interviews. They're like, now, man,
• 24:55
  S2: would you would you pray that God would give us
• 24:58
  S2: spiritual fortitude to stand strong for Jesus? And, you know,
• 25:02
  S2: have you ever in your mind, tried to put yourself
• 25:04
  S2: in that situation so that you can empathize even more?
• 25:08
  S2: Kind of, I don't know, maybe you're not like me,
• 25:10
  S2: but I'll visually put myself like, okay, I'm there. I'm
• 25:13
  S2: in that. Can you see it? You can't do it.
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  S5: No, we don't have a concept of it.
• 25:19
  S3: No, you you.
• 25:20
  S2: Can't you can't put yourself in that thing.
• 25:23
  S3: Mhm.
• 25:25
  S2: But we can we can just think about it long
• 25:31
  S2: and hard enough to imagine a little girl. You get
• 25:36
  S2: a little girl in your mind's eye and let's just
• 25:40
  S2: say she's 11. She's got no ability to. Choose the
• 25:48
  S2: destiny of her life. On that day, he got a
• 25:53
  S2: little 11 year old girl. And the best way to
• 25:56
  S2: understand this? Just look at a little 11 year old
• 25:59
  S2: girl here stateside. Just think of a girl that's, you know, ten, 11,
• 26:03
  S2: 12 that age. And then no choice of her own.
• 26:08
  S2: She's handed over to someone or taken. Yeah.
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  S5: Come, Jesus.
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  S3: Come.
• 26:21
  S2: Yeah, man.
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  S3: Yep.
• 26:26
  S2: Got a question for you today. Because you know what?
• 26:29
  S2: Stories like this can be a catalyst for us to say.
• 26:32
  S2: I am no longer going to rest on the laurels
• 26:36
  S2: of my great salvation. I am pursuing sanctification with Jesus.
• 26:45
  S2: I'm sorry. Super. I got you crying in there. I'm sorry.
• 26:49
  S3: Kiddo.
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  S9: No, don't be sorry. Don't be sorry.
• 26:55
  S2: When we get back, we're going to talk about how
• 26:59
  S2: this can motivate our discipleship of Christ, how this can
• 27:03
  S2: really catalyze our forward movement with Jesus.
• 27:09
  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 27:13
  S2: It's Carl and crew here. You know, you get off this.
• 27:18
  S2: We've had a sobering morning here talking with Lorna Silk.
• 27:21
  S2: No way around it. It's just tough. And you look
• 27:26
  S2: at that and you go, man, what can I do?
• 27:28
  S2: I mean, you can use resources to help where you can.
• 27:32
  S2: That's for sure. But one of the most low hanging
• 27:37
  S2: fruit opportunities we have is to be a disciple of Jesus.
• 27:42
  S3: Yeah.
• 27:43
  S2: And not squander the grace that has been given you today.
• 27:48
  S2: But to take a next step and let's go be
• 27:51
  S2: disciples of Jesus Christ, man.
• 27:53
  S5: Mhm.
• 27:54
  S2: I mean, let's go.
• 27:55
  S5: Yeah. I mean, take take these little girls, for instance,
• 28:00
  S5: since we've been talking about it, imagine processing this type
• 28:07
  S5: of reality with no Jesus.
• 28:11
  S3: Yeah.
• 28:12
  S5: We have an opportunity to share Jesus with people who
• 28:15
  S5: are hurting, with people who are going through the most
• 28:17
  S5: unimaginable things.
• 28:20
  S2: That's gone through.
• 28:21
  S5: Or gone through and and now are left with the rubble.
• 28:26
  S5: Let's give him Jesus. He's the only one who can
• 28:28
  S5: fix anything.
• 28:29
  S2: Yeah, it's for real. It's for real. So I just
• 28:33
  S2: want to ask you, practically. I'm not going to call
• 28:35
  S2: out your number or your. I can't see your name.
• 28:38
  S2: But what is the Spirit of God saying to you today?
• 28:43
  S2: And it's and I'm not talking about, oh, I'm going
• 28:46
  S2: to give to go help them. That might be. But
• 28:48
  S2: the vast majority of us. This is the call in
• 28:50
  S2: our life today, in light of this grace of God
• 28:54
  S2: that he's shown us, who works in us. There's one
• 28:57
  S2: who began it will carry it on to completion until
• 28:59
  S2: the day of Christ Jesus. We don't want to be
• 29:03
  S2: just saved as by fire. We want to be robustly
• 29:08
  S2: walking into the kingdom, hearing, well done, my good and
• 29:10
  S2: faithful servant. So what is that step of discipleship that
• 29:16
  S2: Jesus is telling you to take today? And it's so practical.
• 29:21
  S2: Let me tell you how practical it is. You want
• 29:22
  S2: a weird one? Here's a here's a wild one.
• 29:24
  S3: Go for it.
• 29:25
  S2: I have so I'm, I'm pastor here and I've got.
• 29:31
  S2: I don't even like to call myself lead pastor. I'm
• 29:33
  S2: probably the lead pastor. But we've got incredible staff around
• 29:37
  S2: us and pastors. But we got two campuses here in Chicago.
• 29:41
  S2: And you know what? The Lord spoke to me. It's
• 29:43
  S2: so cool. And I've done this in the past. But,
• 29:47
  S2: you know, we sometimes put our worship sets at the
• 29:49
  S2: front edge of the, of the service, right?
• 29:52
  S3: Yeah.
• 29:53
  S2: So people come in and that's awesome. By the way,
• 29:55
  S2: no knock on anything here. You just this is what
• 29:58
  S2: the Lord's doing in me. And and you come in
• 30:01
  S2: and man, you're going and it's awesome. And you break
• 30:04
  S2: open the word and then God, by his spirit brings
• 30:08
  S2: unction into those words. And God's people, many of whom
• 30:13
  S2: are just sensitive to the Spirit's leading and get changed.
• 30:16
  S2: Or something happens in their life and it's beautiful. But
• 30:21
  S2: I was introduced to this by a young man a
• 30:23
  S2: number of years ago, and he called it revelation and response.
• 30:26
  S2: And I'm like, tell me about that. And he was like,
• 30:29
  S2: you know, Karl, what if we back loaded all of
• 30:32
  S2: our worship so that people who heard the truth could
• 30:38
  S2: hear the truth, and then spend enough time worshiping that
• 30:41
  S2: truth into them. So let's put worship sets at the
• 30:45
  S2: back end of the service.
• 30:46
  S5: I like that.
• 30:47
  S2: Well, we're doing that starting this week on both of
• 30:50
  S2: our campuses. So by the way, if you're in Chicago
• 30:52
  S2: and you happen to go to 180 Chicago, you're going
• 30:54
  S2: to get a surprise this weekend because here's what you're
• 30:56
  S2: going to see. You don't want to be late because
• 30:58
  S2: we're going to be cracking open the Word of God
• 31:00
  S2: after one worship song.
• 31:01
  S3: There you go.
• 31:02
  S2: What? We're going to come in, have a big rousing
• 31:05
  S2: call to worship, and then we're going to bust open
• 31:07
  S2: the Word of God, and then we're going to linger
• 31:10
  S2: with the Lord. Revelation, response. That's kind of cool, huh?
• 31:14
  S3: I love it. I like.
• 31:15
  S2: That. But that's my keeping step with the Lord from
• 31:18
  S2: that area of my life. And I don't know what
• 31:23
  S2: Jesus is calling you to do, but I'm just curious.
• 31:26
  S2: What's what's the Holy Spirit calling you to do to
• 31:29
  S2: keep in step with the Lord today? This can be
• 31:31
  S2: anything from cleaning out a closet to reorganizing worship sets,
• 31:37
  S2: to getting out of a partnership, to opening the Word
• 31:41
  S2: of God again. I mean, it can be anything. What's
• 31:44
  S2: the Spirit of God saying to you right now? What's
• 31:47
  S2: he saying to you? Wow. What a what a fun
• 31:52
  S2: question because he's speaking 800 555, 78, 98. What's he
• 31:59
  S2: saying to you? Never texted us before. Be bold. What's
• 32:02
  S2: he saying to you? I won't know who you are.
• 32:04
  S2: You can remain totally. You will remain totally anonymous. 805 557898.
• 32:12
  S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
• 32:15
  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 32:20
  S2: Got a few spreads. We don't have a lot more
• 32:22
  S2: of these in here right now. A lot of you
• 32:23
  S2: may be thinking about it. Not thumbing it into a
• 32:26
  S2: text might take too long, but that's cool. But I'm
• 32:29
  S2: very thankful for seeing how diverse the responses are here.
• 32:34
  S2: The question I had for you is simply, what is
• 32:36
  S2: God calling you? To do in obedience to what the
• 32:44
  S2: Spirit of God has prompting you to do as a
• 32:46
  S2: disciple of Christ? What is. What are the steps God's
• 32:48
  S2: calling you to take? And they can be so varied
• 32:52
  S2: I love this. I'm 76 and just returned from my
• 32:54
  S2: fourth mission trip to Uganda since retirement. God is asking
• 32:59
  S2: me to take better care of my body so that
• 33:02
  S2: I can continue doing his will to the fullest. It's beautiful.
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  S3: Guys.
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  S5: That's a big deal.
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  S3: That's.
• 33:08
  S6: That's beautiful.
• 33:10
  S2: What do you say? 805. Five. Five. 78. 98. I'm
• 33:14
  S2: being called to disciple my 24 year old son as
• 33:17
  S2: he is discipled doing this. Live here. Oh, he just
• 33:21
  S2: recently caught fire for Jesus. That's awesome. Uh, he's daily
• 33:26
  S2: in the word. He's in the word daily. And all
• 33:29
  S2: of a sudden, it's just happening. I couldn't be happier.
• 33:32
  S2: That's tremendous.
• 33:33
  S3: I love that.
• 33:34
  S2: Investing in that kid is beautiful. God is telling me
• 33:37
  S2: to clean my windshield. And by the way, that's a metaphor.
• 33:40
  S2: So that's great, I get it. You got to see
• 33:42
  S2: more clearly what's out in front of you. God is
• 33:44
  S2: telling me to get into the secret space and spend
• 33:47
  S2: more time in his presence. Beautiful God saying, stay on course.
• 33:52
  S2: That's great.
• 33:54
  S5: Sometimes we feel like we want to jump ship on
• 33:56
  S5: something and God says, no, I want you to stick
• 33:58
  S5: with it a little longer.
• 33:59
  S2: Oh, this one came in. The Holy Spirit is calling
• 34:02
  S2: me to repent and serve.
• 34:04
  S3: Amen. Wow.
• 34:05
  S2: Way to go. So what's what is your discipleship move?
• 34:09
  S2: That the Spirit of God is clearly and it's totally
• 34:11
  S2: aligned with Scripture. It's not some new revelation. What is
• 34:14
  S2: he calling you? What is he calling you to do?
• 34:19
  S2: What is he calling you to do? (800) 555-7898. Just text
• 34:24
  S2: them in if you get a chance. Here. What do
• 34:25
  S2: you got, young Thunder?
• 34:26
  S5: This is something that's new for me. I've never really
• 34:28
  S5: done it before, but it's God's been calling me to
• 34:31
  S5: power stuff down at 30 minutes before bed and spend
• 34:34
  S5: time with him and, and focus that time for him.
• 34:39
  S5: You know, power my brain down from the screens, from
• 34:41
  S5: the technology, all that stuff.
• 34:43
  S3: That's a big deal.
• 34:44
  S5: It is a big deal for me. It's not something
• 34:46
  S5: I'm used to doing, but, uh, I, I tried it
• 34:49
  S5: last night and I slept better. I slept fuller, uh,
• 34:53
  S5: because I wasn't, I wasn't staring at my phone for
• 34:55
  S5: a straight half hour before I went to sleep. And,
• 34:58
  S5: and I got time with Jesus. And that made me happy.
• 35:01
  S2: Holy spirit melatonin right there.
• 35:03
  S3: That's right.
• 35:04
  S2: Now, there's a lot of truth in that man. Holy
• 35:08
  S2: Spirit's given me specific people. Oh, to give a resource
• 35:12
  S2: to that's going to help them get victory over sin.
• 35:15
  S2: That's really cool. It's really cool. I don't know what
• 35:20
  S2: the Holy Spirit is calling you. The Holy Spirit's going
• 35:23
  S2: to convict, direct comfort guide. But the Holy Spirit will
• 35:30
  S2: guide you into being a more robust follower of Jesus. Why?
• 35:37
  S2: So you give up something. Notice that you take hold
• 35:39
  S2: of so much more. Now we're getting a lot of
• 35:41
  S2: feedback in. I won't be able to cover them all,
• 35:43
  S2: but just thumbing it in can be super illuminating and
• 35:49
  S2: just liberating for you. So do it today. Walk in
• 35:53
  S2: the power of the spirit.
• 35:56
  S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
• 36:00
  S1: to Carl and crew.
• 36:02
  S2: Well, the plan was, I'm going to go to Lebanon
• 36:04
  S2: and I'm fired up. And I still wanted to go.
• 36:07
  S2: As a matter of fact, probably inclined to go right now,
• 36:10
  S2: but it's not the safest time to be there. Stefano
• 36:13
  S2: Fehr is with me right now. And I love this man.
• 36:16
  S2: President of call of Hope Ministry among Muslims. For over
• 36:20
  S2: 120 years, they've been doing it. But boy, they got
• 36:23
  S2: a good humble servant at the helm. Stefano has done
• 36:25
  S2: this now, for how many years you've been at the
• 36:27
  S2: helm there, my man?
• 36:29
  S10: Well, full time. I do this now, since 26 years.
• 36:32
  S2: Wow, 26 years. You haven't lost that fire in your
• 36:36
  S2: belly for this at all?
• 36:38
  S10: No, I mean, it's because the Lord is stirring that
• 36:42
  S10: up in my heart. You know, this is it and
• 36:44
  S10: it's getting more and more.
• 36:46
  S2: It's beautiful. You know, I want to get to Lebanon
• 36:49
  S2: so badly, I really do. Stefano. And we were getting
• 36:54
  S2: at that point. Yeah, we need to go. We didn't
• 36:56
  S2: get a ticket yet. And then, boom, here we go again.
• 36:59
  S2: Lebanon's a powder keg. It still is. I'm seeing I'm
• 37:03
  S2: watching a lot of reports and a lot of people
• 37:05
  S2: don't see. But Beirut, there's been bombs going off there. Uh,
• 37:09
  S2: we know that in other regions of Lebanon, Israel's had
• 37:12
  S2: incursions in trying to take out Hezbollah, correct?
• 37:17
  S10: Absolutely. Yes.
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  S2: Okay. What's going on geopolitically? Do you think this is
• 37:21
  S2: going to calm down anytime soon? Do you have any
• 37:24
  S2: insider information or. No?
• 37:26
  S10: It's a very fluid situation. You know, this can change
• 37:29
  S10: every hour. Uh, yesterday evening, I was talking to some
• 37:33
  S10: people in Lebanon and nobody knows. I mean, we are
• 37:36
  S10: talking about the ceasefire, but maybe you heard just now
• 37:40
  S10: Hezbollah said, no, we are out of the ceasefire. We
• 37:43
  S10: don't care. I feel that during the next few days
• 37:47
  S10: it's going to be worse. This is what I think. Yeah.
• 37:52
  S10: What do I think? Doesn't matter. You never know. you know.
• 37:55
  S10: And next hour, things can be different. But Hezbollah has
• 38:01
  S10: just this country now under control somehow. The people don't
• 38:05
  S10: want it. The Lebanese are against it, the majority. But
• 38:10
  S10: they are taking this country hostage. And, um, it is
• 38:15
  S10: so bad for the normal people on the road.
• 38:18
  S3: Yeah.
• 38:18
  S2: It's so hard. How many Christ followers are in Lebanon?
• 38:23
  S2: Is it? Where are we talking? A half of 1%.
• 38:26
  S2: What are we? Or even less than that. Do we
• 38:28
  S2: have any idea?
• 38:29
  S10: See, that's really hard to say. Lebanon was a Christian country.
• 38:33
  S10: Not not long ago, maybe 40 years. And now they
• 38:38
  S10: are in a minority situation where maybe 30% belong to
• 38:42
  S10: a Christian church. Of course, that doesn't mean Christ followers.
• 38:45
  S10: Right around 30%. And maybe evangelicals out of this three 4%. Okay,
• 38:54
  S10: so that's pretty high. Yeah, but lower than one of
• 38:58
  S10: the whole people of Lebanon would be Christ followers. But
• 39:01
  S10: still they are there and they are a testimony. And yeah.
• 39:05
  S2: Does their freedom in Christ get the ire of the Hezbollah?
• 39:09
  S10: Yes. You know, the problem is you can live as
• 39:13
  S10: a Christian in Lebanon without any big issues, as long
• 39:18
  S10: as you don't share your faith with Muslims. Okay. The
• 39:22
  S10: moment you do, of course, is police after you. And
• 39:26
  S10: I mean, there are also other Sunni groups. The moment
• 39:28
  S10: you share your faith, you are in danger. Very clearly.
• 39:33
  S2: What's happening in these refugee camps I know that you've
• 39:36
  S2: got from bread baking. That's one of the most touching
• 39:40
  S2: stories going to just outright evangelism going on. How are
• 39:45
  S2: these refugee camps different than Beirut proper.
• 39:50
  S10: You know, refugee camps. Some of them are just tented camps,
• 39:55
  S10: as we know from television news. Others are that people
• 39:59
  S10: just live in a room, that people live in a flat.
• 40:02
  S10: I know of rooms which contain more than 25 refugees.
• 40:08
  S10: You know, we talk about a regular room and 25
• 40:11
  S10: people live there. The issue is that at the moment,
• 40:15
  S10: out of this 5 million Lebanese, around 1 million are
• 40:19
  S10: on the run from the south, from the north, from
• 40:22
  S10: the west, and most of them are in the Bekaa Valley,
• 40:26
  S10: where we also work. So. So just think about everywhere
• 40:30
  S10: there are these refugees. They are in the camps. They
• 40:33
  S10: are on the road. They are in the parks. They
• 40:35
  S10: are everywhere.
• 40:36
  S2: How receptive are these refugees to the gospel of Jesus
• 40:40
  S2: Christ today?
• 40:42
  S10: Many of them are receptive when they understand that we
• 40:47
  S10: show them the love of Christ. It's not that you
• 40:51
  S10: go there and tell them, hey, I need to tell
• 40:53
  S10: you about Jesus. You go there and you say, hey,
• 40:55
  S10: I care about you. And, uh, we really want to
• 40:58
  S10: help you. And hey, here is some bread and here
• 41:01
  S10: is some whatever. And then they will look at you
• 41:03
  S10: and say, you're a Christian, right? Yes. Why do you
• 41:06
  S10: help us? We are Muslims. We hate you. Why? Well,
• 41:09
  S10: you are in the middle of an evangelistic conversation and
• 41:13
  S10: and you share. And then many of them are extremely
• 41:17
  S10: open because they see this is different to Islam and
• 41:21
  S10: Islam at the moment. They just see violence. You know,
• 41:24
  S10: this is what they see Hezbollah and ISIS and other
• 41:27
  S10: groups violence. And now these Christians come and they show love.
• 41:31
  S10: They do not only talk about it, Muslims might also
• 41:34
  S10: talk about it, but they don't show it. But the Christians,
• 41:38
  S10: they feel the love of the Christians. So that makes
• 41:41
  S10: the difference. And then they are so open. I mean, Carl,
• 41:46
  S10: until today, just one of our coworkers was able this
• 41:51
  S10: year to baptize more than 30 Muslim background believers refugees
• 41:58
  S10: until now, beginning of June. The Lord is really at work.
• 42:02
  S3: Yeah.
• 42:03
  S2: Tell us about this bakery.
• 42:05
  S10: Yeah, the bakery is a wonderful project. Um, blind kids
• 42:11
  S10: learn how to bake bread. They are there in the morning.
• 42:15
  S10: They bake bread. By the way, during all this wartime,
• 42:19
  S10: this bakery was open. Our school was opened. The kids come,
• 42:23
  S10: they bake bread and then they go out and they
• 42:27
  S10: distribute the bread. You know, some time ago, a guy
• 42:32
  S10: came to our bakery. His name is Hassan and Hassan,
• 42:38
  S10: 11 years old. His father is a Hezbollah commander. So
• 42:43
  S10: you might ask yourself, why on earth would they take
• 42:46
  S10: this guy to a Christian school and bakery. Well, uh,
• 42:51
  S10: Hassan lost his eyesight. Maybe you remember the thing where Israel, uh,
• 42:59
  S10: sent some pages into Hezbollah commander's hands. And Hassan had
• 43:05
  S10: it in his hand when it exploded. And he is
• 43:10
  S10: blind today. So the parents were totally desperate. What to
• 43:13
  S10: do with this kid? They sent him to Beirut, to
• 43:16
  S10: a school for the blind of Hezbollah. And he was
• 43:19
  S10: so unhappy there. He was so unhappy. So they thought,
• 43:22
  S10: what do we do? They heard about this Christian school,
• 43:25
  S10: our school. So the dad said, okay, for 2 or
• 43:29
  S10: 3 days he can come, you know, just just to
• 43:32
  S10: see how it is. When he came, our coworker Michel
• 43:35
  S10: asked Hassan. Hassan, would you like to learn how to
• 43:38
  S10: bake bread? And he said, hey, yes, I would like to.
• 43:42
  S10: So he learned how to bake bread At the third day,
• 43:46
  S10: his first baguette breads came out of the oven, and
• 43:51
  S10: in the afternoon his dad was scheduled to come. So
• 43:55
  S10: now Hassan told Michelle, hey, um, please don't talk to
• 44:01
  S10: my dad because when my dad knows I'm baking bread,
• 44:03
  S10: I don't I don't know, he's a Hezbollah guy. I
• 44:05
  S10: don't know what he thinks. Okay. The dad comes, Michelle
• 44:08
  S10: doesn't talk about it, but he gives Michelle a baguette
• 44:12
  S10: to try. And this guy takes it, eats it, and says, okay,
• 44:17
  S10: that's the best bread I ever had. Who is baking
• 44:21
  S10: these things? Then Hassan, his blind son, comes around the
• 44:26
  S10: corner and says, dad, I was doing it. I was
• 44:29
  S10: the one. I made this bread. Look, Hassan was so
• 44:33
  S10: thankful and happy, but the dad also his son, now
• 44:37
  S10: was able to produce something to do something. So he said, hey, listen,
• 44:42
  S10: if this is the case, then Hassan is free to
• 44:45
  S10: join the school and he can come every day. Hassan
• 44:49
  S10: sits now every day in our devotion and hears about Jesus.
• 44:53
  S10: I met this guy. Hassan very clearly gave his life
• 44:57
  S10: to Christ and and Hassan now is an ambassador for Jesus.
• 45:01
  S10: You know, at Palm Sunday, he was walking together with
• 45:06
  S10: Michelle and a group through this city. And they were
• 45:11
  S10: shouting for Jesus. They were singing for Jesus. And one
• 45:15
  S10: of the spectators on the road was Hassan's father. You know,
• 45:20
  S10: Hezbollah commander, seeing like his son is shouting, Jesus is Lord.
• 45:26
  S10: I mean, these are stories only the Lord can do.
• 45:30
  S2: That's so overwhelming, Stefano. That is so overwhelming. That is
• 45:35
  S2: the power of a changed life.
• 45:37
  S10: Yes, absolutely. Yes.
• 45:39
  S2: My goodness. In just a minute. I feel prompted to
• 45:43
  S2: do something that we don't often do here, but I'm
• 45:45
  S2: going to do it because you, the boom crew, are
• 45:47
  S2: going to go, let's expand that bakery. Oh my goodness.
• 45:51
  S2: How many kids are serving at the bakery right now?
• 45:54
  S10: Around 25.
• 45:56
  S2: 25 kids. You know, I was actually I'm so glad
• 45:59
  S2: I saw a video of this thing because I was thinking,
• 46:02
  S2: oh my goodness, you got blind kids. You're asking them
• 46:04
  S2: to bake bread. We got ovens. We got all this
• 46:06
  S2: stuff there. They're like machines. They know exactly what they're
• 46:10
  S2: doing in every phase of baking that bread. Stefano.
• 46:13
  S10: Absolutely. And you see, there are also other guys with
• 46:18
  S10: some other disabilities they see, but they have other disabilities.
• 46:22
  S10: So the guys who see can tell the blind people
• 46:27
  S10: who can operate the machines what to do. It's just
• 46:31
  S10: really something when I'm there and I see how they
• 46:35
  S10: do it, it's crazy, but it works. And we got
• 46:38
  S10: the machines from Italy. We had a German master baker
• 46:41
  S10: there for some time who really showed them how to
• 46:43
  S10: do it. And I tell you, when you are there,
• 46:46
  S10: one day you will enjoy and love the croissants and
• 46:50
  S10: the baguettes for sure.
• 46:51
  S2: I got to get there. I've got to get there.
• 46:54
  S2: So the minute we have a lull in the danger
• 46:57
  S2: zone there, could you please. I got to get there. Okay.
• 47:00
  S10: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
• 47:03
  S2: Okay. Uh. My goodness. Real quick question on discipleship. How
• 47:07
  S2: do you disciple these kids and these adults in these
• 47:11
  S2: refugee camps, whether it's tented areas or in flats or Hassan,
• 47:17
  S2: what's the strategy for discipleship? What can we learn here stateside?
• 47:21
  S10: You know, for the kids, it's pretty easy because as
• 47:24
  S10: I said, we have a daily devotion. So they hear
• 47:28
  S10: about Jesus, they sing, they are discipled on a daily basis.
• 47:33
  S10: And I was there last November when I talked to them.
• 47:37
  S10: You feel how much they trust Jesus. And every time
• 47:40
  S10: I come there, they trust Jesus more because they are
• 47:44
  S10: really discipled for the adults. We take them out in groups.
• 47:50
  S10: We have men groups. We have female groups. Our other coworker,
• 47:55
  S10: Pastor Tumor, he runs a church now, all Muslim background believers.
• 48:02
  S10: You know, it's hard to tell you this sentence, but
• 48:06
  S10: Pastor Tumor, he disciples these people and then he says
• 48:12
  S10: a sentence. This is hard for us in the West.
• 48:14
  S10: But he says, in our church there is no place
• 48:18
  S10: for lazy believers. Wow. Okay. But he says the moment
• 48:23
  S10: they actually become Christians, they are also missionaries. So it's
• 48:29
  S10: not only that they come to church. He has theological classes. Yes,
• 48:34
  S10: many of them come every week. They are really trained.
• 48:38
  S10: And when I sometimes preach in this church, sometimes you
• 48:42
  S10: feel you don't need a Bible. You tell them the
• 48:46
  S10: Bible reference and these guys know it by heart. I mean,
• 48:51
  S10: that never happens to me somewhere in the West, really.
• 48:53
  S10: When you are there and you preach, you have to
• 48:55
  S10: try it. They know it. They are discipled. You know,
• 49:00
  S10: every day we run a discipleship class or women's class
• 49:06
  S10: in this church, and it is a small building. Now
• 49:11
  S10: we need to expand it, build a new one. It's
• 49:13
  S10: a small building. It has space for, let's say, 110 people.
• 49:17
  S10: And regularly we have every day 250 there. I mean,
• 49:22
  S10: I always hope that no fire is breaking out, you know,
• 49:25
  S10: but the Lord is giving this hunger for His word
• 49:31
  S10: into the heart of this people, and they are discipled
• 49:35
  S10: on a daily basis.
• 49:37
  S3: Ah!
• 49:38
  S2: That's beautiful. Okay. Boom crew. Here's what I want to do.
• 49:40
  S2: You've heard the story about this bakery. You've heard about discipleship.
• 49:43
  S2: You know, lives are changing. I want you to know
• 49:47
  S2: that $25 and they didn't ask me to do this,
• 49:51
  S2: but $25 can fund half of a bakery scholarship for
• 49:56
  S2: one of these blind kids who is following Jesus and
• 50:00
  S2: is now a missionary. That's what's going on. 50 bucks
• 50:04
  S2: sponsors a student for a full six week curriculum. $200
• 50:10
  S2: blesses four bakery students with scholarships. Now this link I'm
• 50:15
  S2: going to give you is going to take you straight
• 50:17
  S2: to this page for this bakery. I want you to
• 50:20
  S2: read about it. It's not just a giving page right
• 50:23
  S2: up front. It's got the video of these kids doing
• 50:25
  S2: this thing. It's got the whole thing right there. You're
• 50:28
  S2: going to love this boom crew. And if God's Spirit
• 50:30
  S2: is prompting your heart, saying, this is return on investment.
• 50:34
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• 50:40
  S2: Hope to 805 5578, 98. Let's get behind these kids.
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• 51:12
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  S2: not in Christ for many years. And then all of
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• 51:39
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• 51:54
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• 52:32
  S3: What he uses. Absolutely. That's why.
• 52:35
  S2: Yeah. So if that's you, you had an illusion of salvation.
• 52:38
  S2: You were raised in the church, but you were not
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  S2: You know, that word belief is an interesting thing. Even
• 53:03
  S2: the demons believe and they tremble. But there's a belief
• 53:06
  S2: that says, I believe you. And we put our full
• 53:09
  S2: faith and trust every square inch of who we are
• 53:12
  S2: into the hands of Jesus Christ. This great illusion of
• 53:16
  S2: salvation spoken of in Matthew seven, Matthew 25, first Corinthians
• 53:21
  S2: it's warned of in some of the pastoral epistles. It's
• 53:25
  S2: warned over and over again. Be careful man, there's some
• 53:27
  S2: people that are twisting the gospel, and it can create
• 53:31
  S2: this grand illusion that I walked an aisle, I prayed
• 53:34
  S2: a prayer. I mean, no one was looking. I slipped
• 53:36
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  S2: What do you say, my man? First time caller.
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  S11: Hey. Um, so yeah, I, uh, grew up in the
• 53:58
  S11: church from a really young age. Mom taught Sunday school, uh,
• 54:02
  S11: kind of in my late teens, had emotional conversions surrounded
• 54:06
  S11: by friends and, you know, just a lot of kind
• 54:08
  S11: of persuasion. Um, and it wasn't really until my early
• 54:12
  S11: 20s where I was just on this journey to really
• 54:15
  S11: figure out what, what the gospel was, who Christ was.
• 54:19
  S11: And through just this kind of logical, thoughtful, purposeful journey,
• 54:26
  S11: I just, I just realized that I wasn't saved before,
• 54:30
  S11: but I knew that I was saved in because I
• 54:33
  S11: just really knew who Christ was and really knew what
• 54:35
  S11: the gospel meant.
• 54:36
  S2: Yeah. Yeah. It's an amazing thing when you realize, hold it.
• 54:40
  S2: This isn't about some emotional moment, which, by the way,
• 54:43
  S2: is one of the parable of the soils. It's the
• 54:46
  S2: second soil. It got all fired up and shoots up,
• 54:49
  S2: but there's no root in authentic connection with Jesus Christ.
• 54:54
  S3: And so, I.
• 54:54
  S2: Mean, it just tumbles. But Andy, that's so cool, man.
• 54:57
  S2: First time caller from Greenfield, Indiana. How old are you now? Andy?
• 55:02
  S11: I'm 39.
• 55:03
  S2: Way to go, bro. It's isn't it an awesome thing
• 55:06
  S2: because you're like me. You're like young thunder. You're like Ali,
• 55:10
  S2: you're like super. All of us had this. Well, we
• 55:13
  S2: thought we were squared with God. And then to realize,
• 55:16
  S2: oh my goodness, this is what the abundant life in
• 55:19
  S2: Christ really means. Isn't that cool, Andy?
• 55:23
  S11: Oh, yeah. No. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing.
• 55:27
  S2: Way to go! Stay on the horn, Andy. Stay on
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  S2: the horn. I'm going to get you a car and
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  S2: crew prize pack. Don't leave my man Dennis in Lakeland, Florida.
• 55:34
  S2: What's your story? Story?
• 55:37
  S12: Okay. Good morning. First, I love you guys. You're the greatest. Um,
• 55:41
  S12: a long time ago. About 30 years ago, I thought
• 55:44
  S12: I came to Christ. And you know what? It was
• 55:47
  S12: an emotional connection. And then I fell away. But I
• 55:51
  S12: always thought, you know, I said a prayer, and I
• 55:53
  S12: read the Bible. I went to church and all that.
• 55:56
  S12: And then in 2009, I almost passed away twice within
• 56:00
  S12: the course of three weeks. And I saw the demons
• 56:03
  S12: in the room. When I say demons in the room,
• 56:04
  S12: I mean hand on my Bible, I saw three demons
• 56:07
  S12: in the room. And then when I got out of
• 56:09
  S12: the hospital, I tried again because I was one of
• 56:12
  S12: those veterans. I was almost number 22, if you know
• 56:14
  S12: what I'm talking about. Yeah. Um, I saw them again.
• 56:17
  S12: And this is what scared me the most. The bigger
• 56:20
  S12: of the three demons got in my face. And, uh,
• 56:23
  S12: God is my witness. He said, you will be with
• 56:25
  S12: us forever. You'll never leave this place. After that, I
• 56:29
  S12: started walking with Christ and it's been a hard walk.
• 56:32
  S12: But I'll tell you, Hallelujah. Lord Jesus Christ, I've been saved.
• 56:36
  S12: I've been regenerated. I have evidence of conversion. There's a
• 56:39
  S12: surety of salvation. And if preachers today, if preachers today
• 56:45
  S12: would preach repentance and obedience, we would have a country
• 56:48
  S12: on fire for the Lord. Hallelujah. Lord Jesus. Hallelujah.
• 56:53
  S2: I can't argue with you, Dennis. I think the gospel
• 56:56
  S2: of repentance needs to be front and center, bro. Stay
• 56:58
  S2: on the horn. I'm going to get you a Carl
• 57:00
  S2: and Crew prize pack. Stay on the horn. Wow. Chuck
• 57:07
  S2: in Lewisburg, Tennessee. What's your story, man?
• 57:11
  S13: Uh. Good morning. Uh, raised in church, uh, all my life, uh,
• 57:14
  S13: 56 years old currently. And about five years ago, uh,
• 57:18
  S13: after a friend of mine had encouraged me the second
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  S13: time to try Moody Radio. I switched my radio in
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  S13: my truck to Moody, and after listening to some of the.
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  S13: Who have become some of my favorite pastors and spiritual
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  S13: mentors day after day, it just had a huge impact.
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  S13: I think I've called you guys and shared before, but
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  S13: it was yeah, you definitely had a hand in it.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: That's beautiful man. It's an amazing thing when you come
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  S2: face to face with the fact that I'm a sinner,
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  S2: I need a savior. His name is Jesus. And that's
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  S2: just powerhouse, man. Uh, there's, this is it's a really
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  S2: important topic here, guys. It's really important topic. And I
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  S2: want you to know from the bottom of my heart
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  S2: that there is no the, the assurance of salvation, the
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  S2: assurance of salvation is one of the greatest gifts that
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  S2: God wants to give you. But we know in Scripture
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  S2: that there is this grand illusion of salvation. Satan wants
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  S2: to pull the wool over the eyes of people who
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  S2: are cultural Christians. And the question that we find over
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  S2: and over in Scripture is, examine yourself to see if
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  S2: you're in the faith. Now. There are many evidences to
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  S2: know that you're in the faith. You. There's. I put
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  S2: in a blog nine Ways to Know you stand with
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  S2: God and he stands with you. So whenever you want,
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  S2: you can just text the word stand to our number
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  S2: 805 557898. My goal isn't to freak anyone out here,
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  S2: but it is to help us understand. Oh boy, I
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  S2: might be missing something here. And some of you have
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  S2: a story where you were raised in church or you
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  S2: were really. You might have walked an aisle at a
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  S2: evangelistic event. You had an emotional experience. And I and
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  S2: I say this because the parable of the soils is
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  S2: very clear. There's some that are hard hearted. They hear
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  S2: the gospel, they're like, ah, whatever, don't need it. And
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  S2: then the second soil is those that hear it are, yeah, man,
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  S2: that's me. I'm all in. And I did that as
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  S2: a kid growing up numbers of times, but that is
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  S2: not saved heart condition. The third soil is the worries
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  S2: of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desire
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  S2: for other things come in and choke it out. But
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  S2: that soil as well never had roots that went down
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  S2: and connected with Jesus Christ. It had no room for
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  S2: Jesus to be Lord of their life. It's a big deal, guys.
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  S2: So I just want to ask you now, here's what
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  S2: I want to tell you right now. Here's what I
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  S2: want to tell you. If the Spirit of God is
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  S2: prompting you that, oh my goodness, the reason that the
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  S2: abundant life is so elusive for me and I can't
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  S2: manifest love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and Faithfulness, self-control,
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  S2: fruit of the spirit is because I have fake faith.
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  S2: You can. By the power of the spirit, he. He's
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  S2: regenerating you. Do you know that repentance is not our strength?
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  S2: It's the Spirit of God that turns us but by faith.
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  S2: Take hold of him right now and just say, Jesus,
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  S2: I'm a sinner. I need a Savior. I'm just getting hit.
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  S2: You're getting hit by this reality from the Holy Spirit. Shoot,
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  S2: I've been doing this for a long time, but I've
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  S2: never been in Christ. Not really. And if you cry
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  S2: of your soul today is you're coming face to face
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  S2: with the living God and the living reality that you're
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  S2: a sinner. You need a Savior. Your problem is you.
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  S2: And that through repentance in his power, you're going to
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  S2: turn around. You're going to let go of all those idols.
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  S2: No more of this trying to make room for Jesus
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  S2: and the worries of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth,
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  S2: and the desire for other things. you're going to. By
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  S2: the power of the spirit. Turn and follow Jesus today
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  S2: with open heart, empty hands, saying, I give you my
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  S2: life completely. If that's you right now, if that's you.
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  S2: But don't, don't, don't just do another little, um, something
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  S2: to kind of put some Bondo over the dents of
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  S2: your life. This is for real. You're surrendering all you
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  S2: are to Jesus. If that's you, just text the word
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  S2: new right now. If today is the day of salvation,
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  S2: just text the word new wherever you are. NEW to
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  S2: 805 557898. Excuse me, 805 557898. And we're going to
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  S2: help you in your first steps of Jesus. You just
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  S2: follow these links that you're getting right now. Wherever you
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  S2: are in this world, our God loves you so much.
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  S2: He brought you here today to hear stories from people
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  S2: who thought they were in Jesus all these years, and
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  S2: then only to find out, no, I wasn't.