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I Want To Take You To The Bermuda Triangle · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Why We Do what We Do. I am
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  Speaker 1: your Pythagorean host, Abraham.
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  Speaker 1: month of October we take on more sinister, creepy topics
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  Speaker 1: in honor of Halloween and spooky themed things. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just a great time of year for that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's the best. And so here we are covering the
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  Speaker 2: Bermuda Triangle, one of those scary things from when we
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  Speaker 2: were kids. It was not so scary once you got older.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so this is maybe maybe we'll find out today.
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  Speaker 2: It certainly is, which makes sense because it's the eighth
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  Speaker 1: I actually did not either. That does make a lot
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  Speaker 1: That's so many holidays and we left out several.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So go check out the October holidays, maybe October
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  Speaker 1: one way or another out there. So yeah, those holidays, celebrate,
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  Speaker 1: celebrate good October holidays, all right? Now moving on to
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  Speaker 1: our topic then, or is there any more preamble that
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  Speaker 1: I missed that we need to go over before we
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  Speaker 1: get into this.
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  Speaker 2: No, let's get into this bookiness all right.
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  Speaker 1: On the list of locations with a nefarious reputation, the
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  Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle might be at the tippity top of that pyramid.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's very likely that most of you heard
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  Speaker 1: of this, But if you haven't, then we will explain
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about here with the this idea of
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  Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to explore the history, some myths,
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  Speaker 2: the lore of the Bermuda Triangle and then dilute it
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  Speaker 2: into nothingness with science, because that's that's what we like.
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  Speaker 2: We like to, you know, unpack some low and kind
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  Speaker 2: of explain what it actually is, what's actually happening.
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  Speaker 1: And I suppose we should just mention in case you're
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  Speaker 1: here for the first time with these Halloween themed episodes,
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  Speaker 1: as we said, we basically just take spooky topics and
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  Speaker 1: do that for the month. This is our fifth year,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, doing Halloween themed type episodes, which is really fun.
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  Speaker 1: So you can go back if you'd like to check
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  Speaker 1: out some historical ones we've done in the past. I've
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  Speaker 1: always had a lot of fun with this month. I
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  Speaker 1: enjoy digging into these sorts of topics, and it just
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  Speaker 1: occurred to us that one of those ideas shrouded in
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  Speaker 1: mystery and spookiness is the Bermuda Triangle. So we decided
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  Speaker 1: that was close enough to fit into the realm of
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  Speaker 1: Halloween things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it does change our behavior like it does,
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  Speaker 2: it has altered our behavior. It's entered our verbal behavior
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  Speaker 2: at lets con like it's like done some things where
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  Speaker 2: it's like fluence human behavior. So we got to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think absolutely, So let's go ahead and get into it.
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  Speaker 1: The Bermuda Triangle this is roughly a two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy thousand to five hundred thousand square mile patch of
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  Speaker 1: the Atlantic Ocean between Miami, Florida, San Juan, Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 1: and the northernmost point of the island of Bermuda. And
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  Speaker 1: I did see other estimate ranges that went up to
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  Speaker 1: and including over a million square miles, so it is
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  Speaker 1: a fairly large chunk of the sea, although relative to
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the ocean it's pretty small. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you really think about it. But that's about the space
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  Speaker 1: that it takes up. Anchoring the geographical region to these
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  Speaker 1: three points of land makes a triangle shape on the map.
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  Speaker 1: Hence the word triangle in the name Bermuda triangle, right
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  Speaker 1: because Bermuda is also in there. But yeah, so if
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  Speaker 1: you have those three points, you connect them via lines,
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  Speaker 1: you have what is in the shape of a triangle
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  Speaker 1: more or less.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, the senator reputation of the Bermuda triangle ste
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  Speaker 2: from reports of many planes and ships mysteriously vanishing without
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  Speaker 2: a trace or even a distress signal in some cases,
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  Speaker 2: and other mysterious supernatural sightings within this part of the
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  Speaker 2: ocean and never seen again. So people are flying, they're
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  Speaker 2: traveling through the space and they're seeing these unexplainable things,
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  Speaker 2: or they're just disappearing entirely, and you know, from the outside,
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  Speaker 2: we're going, uh, that's not good.
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  Speaker 1: And it is the fact that it is these unexplained
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  Speaker 1: it is the fact that it's like it seems to
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  Speaker 1: be of particular prevalence in this part of the world,
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  Speaker 1: in this part of the ocean. These seem to lend
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  Speaker 1: to the intrigue. And there's more to it than that.
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  Speaker 1: Arguably less to it than that, as we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: the history and ideas behind this, but that's sort of
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  Speaker 1: the lore there. And so yeah, over the past several centuries,
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  Speaker 1: thousands of planes and ships have seemingly vanished while they
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  Speaker 1: are in the range of are traveling through the Bermuda Triangle.
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  Speaker 1: Totally kidding, it's actually estimate it to be around fifty
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  Speaker 1: ships and twenty planes. But I wanted to like, if
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  Speaker 1: people thought it was that scary of a place with
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  Speaker 1: that reliable of an outcome, then I figured they would
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  Speaker 1: believe the thousands of planes and ships things. Sure, and
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  Speaker 1: then understands that fifty and twenty are relatively small numbers
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  Speaker 1: compared to how many planes and ships have traveled the
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  Speaker 1: oceans over time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that's a fascinating thing that it's
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  Speaker 2: really only about fifty ships and twenty planes. Like that's
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  Speaker 2: that's just kind of because it's so conflated. But well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about that, we'll unpack that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: So the Brimuda Triangle has also received other monikers like
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  Speaker 2: the who Doo see the Devil's Triangle and Limbo of
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  Speaker 2: the Lost, which sounds, you know, like it's fun until
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  Speaker 2: it's not. Yeah, well it sounds like a party where
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  Speaker 2: like somebody like is too drunk and they end up
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  Speaker 2: like in the parking lot, not knowing where how to
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  Speaker 2: get back to the party.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we have this sinister, terrifying piece of
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  Speaker 1: geography that mysteriously swallows people whole without a trace and
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  Speaker 1: then never heard from again. And amazingly, people still live
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  Speaker 1: within the triangle, mostly in Bermuda itself. Depending on where
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  Speaker 1: you draw the triangle then Bermuda is home to over
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  Speaker 1: sixty four thousand people. But if you extend the triangle further,
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  Speaker 1: then you'll encompass more islands, which means you can add
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  Speaker 1: to that list quite a bit. And obviously San Juan
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  Speaker 1: Puerto Rico has a lot of people, although it's like
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  Speaker 1: where the tip of the triangle touches, so I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if people consider that to be inside the triangle,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, lots of people around this area, despite its
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  Speaker 1: mysterious nature.
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  Speaker 2: Right right, right, So I think it's probably worth talking
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  Speaker 2: about the legends and the mythology and the lore that
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  Speaker 2: goes around this. So let's unpack maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of history of the Breviuni Triangle and kind of start there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and we are going to start with on
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  Speaker 2: explorer of sorts so impressively. The legends of this part
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  Speaker 2: of the world were first observed by none other than
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  Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus in fourteen hundred ninety two when he crossed
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  Speaker 2: the I remember there's a song that I learned. It
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  Speaker 2: was like, in fourteen hundred ninety two Columbus crossed the sea.
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  Speaker 2: Da da da da da d d da da da
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  Speaker 2: dad Like it was one of those things. I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember all it was, but because it didn't talk about
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  Speaker 2: smallpox or like disease, or like murder or genocide or anything,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't really remember it or enslavement or labman
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  Speaker 2: or any of those terrible things that they did. So reportedly,
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  Speaker 2: as he approached the Bahamas, he saw mysterious lights on
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  Speaker 2: the horizon that seemed to pulse on and off, a
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  Speaker 2: large light crashing into the sea, strange compass readings, and
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  Speaker 2: sections of the ocean seemingly filled with seaweed, which made
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  Speaker 2: the trip difficult to traverse. That's the spookiest part of
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  Speaker 2: the seaweed, so.
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  Speaker 1: Much seaweed in there. The rhyme I had heard was
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  Speaker 1: like a way to remember the year, and it was.
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  Speaker 2: I think I know it is. It's something like in
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  Speaker 2: fourteen hundred and ninety two, Columbus was so bad he
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  Speaker 2: showed up on the shores of America just to play
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  Speaker 2: an ad.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, that was a bit more meandering than
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  Speaker 1: I hoped it would be. But we're talking about Christopher Columbus,
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  Speaker 1: Well we were talking about it. That's pretty much the story.
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  Speaker 1: He saw all these things. Most of the sources I
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  Speaker 1: found credited the first attributions of mystery of this geographical
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  Speaker 1: location to his reports. Of course, people had been living
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  Speaker 1: there and traversing that space for some time before he
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  Speaker 1: got there, but as someone who was apparently primed for superstition,
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  Speaker 1: that was where it at least sort of started to begin. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: many scholars believe that Shakespeare's play The Tempest was inspired
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  Speaker 1: by a real life Bermuda shipwreck, and with that that
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  Speaker 1: further enhanced intrigues surrounding the Bermuda Triangle.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but the real lore of the Bermudia Triangle developed
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  Speaker 2: from some tragic disasters that occurred there. So first, in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen, the Navy supply ship called the USS Cyclops.
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  Speaker 2: What a name for a ship, that's that's kind of fun.
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  Speaker 2: The USS Cyclops departed Brazil headed towards Baltimore, Maryland. So
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  Speaker 2: I think they probably just didn't want to go to Baltimore,
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  Speaker 2: if we're being honest. It was carrying three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: six crew members and ten thousand tons of manganese destined
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  Speaker 2: to be manufactured for the war effort. Even after a
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  Speaker 2: resupply stop in Barbados, the captain reported weather fair and
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  Speaker 2: all well, that was the direct one. Now, However, the
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  Speaker 2: ship disappeared inside of the bringing a triangle. No distress
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  Speaker 2: signal was sent, although it was equipped to do so,
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  Speaker 2: no expectation was given, no wreckage was found.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So this large ship carrying over three hundred people
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  Speaker 1: just gone. Nobody knows where it is. And the last message,
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  Speaker 1: the last communication they'd had was everything's good here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, more like the USS by Clops.
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  Speaker 1: And it reminds me a bit of Event Horizon again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll just keep coming back to that movie. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we need to do like a Halloween episode that's just
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  Speaker 1: a movie review of Event Horizon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, by the way, everybody, this is now
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  Speaker 2: an Event Horizon podcast.
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  Speaker 1: That in Dune yeap between these all right, So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so the ship disappears. President Woodrow Wilson later commented that
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  Speaker 1: quote only God and the sea know what happens to
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  Speaker 1: that great ship end quote. Further again just making the
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  Speaker 1: disappearance more mysterious feeling right now.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen forty one, two of the cyclops of sister
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  Speaker 2: ships also vanished. That was Biclops and Tricops also vanished
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  Speaker 2: without a trace while traversing the similar route. Once again,
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  Speaker 2: no distress signal no wreckage found and no evidence that
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  Speaker 2: a German U boat could have been responsible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at that time, that was like a very real
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  Speaker 1: possibility that it was some of these German subs that
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  Speaker 1: were going around seeking ships, but there was no evidence.
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  Speaker 1: There was no reports of German U boats there, So
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  Speaker 1: they're just not clear what could have happened. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Cyclops disappears and then two more sister ships disappear
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  Speaker 1: on a similar route. So those are some of the stories.
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  Speaker 1: The next one is one of the most sighted events
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  Speaker 1: related to the Bermuda activity and like mysterious happenings there,
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  Speaker 1: And this is a nineteen forty five There was a
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  Speaker 1: group of five torpedo bombers with fourteen crew aboard, and
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  Speaker 1: this was called Flight nineteen, and it departed from Fort Lauderdale, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: around two pm and they were just going on a
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  Speaker 1: routine training to practice bombing runs over some shoals north
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  Speaker 1: of Bimini and the Bahamas, and apparently when they left
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  Speaker 1: it was ideal flying conditions.
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  Speaker 2: However, an hour into the mission, in the range of
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  Speaker 2: the Bermuda triangle, the radio tower began to receive transmissions
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  Speaker 2: from the captain about compasses going crazy, low fuel, white
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  Speaker 2: haze and seventy five mile per hour winds. Then the
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  Speaker 2: planes just disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, they just were no longer responding, not being picked
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  Speaker 1: up on radar, they were just gone. So this was
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  Speaker 1: immediately concerning. They were supposed to be in contact. It
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  Speaker 1: was just a routine training mission that was only supposed
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  Speaker 1: to last two hours, and so they immediately organized a
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  Speaker 1: rescue effort. Rescue planes left to search for the downs planes,
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  Speaker 1: and then, interestingly, shortly into the search, one of the
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  Speaker 1: rescue planes with thirteen crew also vanished from the radar
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  Speaker 1: and was never heard from again. And they never found
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  Speaker 1: the wreckage, never learned what could have gone wrong, and.
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  Speaker 2: No distress signals except for like a little bit of like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: something's weird, right like, but nothing like may day, may day,
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  Speaker 2: may day, like you might hear in the event of
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  Speaker 2: a crash.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the next day, a massive search and rescue crew
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  Speaker 2: operation embarked to track the planes, including many submarines, ghost
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  Speaker 2: guard coast Guard vessels not ghost guard ghost guard would
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  Speaker 2: be very scary. Coast Guard vessels, Navy destroyers, and hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of government planes and hundreds of private jet planes as well.
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  Speaker 2: They searched for weeks over three hundred and eighty thousand
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  Speaker 2: square miles of ocean and never found any of the planes. Now,
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  Speaker 2: an official Navy report healthfully editorialized that that it was
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  Speaker 2: quote as if they had flown to Mars, which of
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  Speaker 2: all places, Mars.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I just I remember when I saw that,
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  Speaker 1: and I just thought it was both funny that this
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  Speaker 1: was like an official report and that that was how
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  Speaker 1: they decided to describe it. And I understand like being
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  Speaker 1: frustrated with the mystery of like we have really really
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  Speaker 1: really searched and not found anything, But I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it just still feels like an odd comments to make.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a little bit strange, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now important to know though, at this point, no one
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  Speaker 1: had actually really glombed on to anything particularly important about
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  Speaker 1: this geographical region. No one was calling at the Bermuda
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  Speaker 1: Triangle at this point. No. This term actually would not
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  Speaker 1: come to be until another twenty years later in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty four, and Vincent and Gaddis was a writer who
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  Speaker 1: wrote My magazine article in which he coined the term
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  Speaker 1: Bermuda Tryan, officially creating a solid foundation upon which the
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  Speaker 1: lore could congeal and develop sort of a more mythical
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  Speaker 1: status and relevance.
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  Speaker 2: I actually think that's really important. As we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: this is like the mysteries happening in these things that
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  Speaker 2: are kind of strange and unexplainable. But the term Bermuda
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  Speaker 2: Triangle is a fairly new thing. Yeah, like in the
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  Speaker 2: grand scheme of history, right, Like that is a rather
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  Speaker 2: new thing. Like my dad is older than the Bermuda
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  Speaker 2: Triangle in terms of black labeling. So Charles Berlitz further
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  Speaker 2: capitalized on the quote unquote mystery of the Bermuda Triangle
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  Speaker 2: when he published a best selling book Sensationalizing Stories about
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  Speaker 2: this region.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just called the Bermuda Triangle, but it was
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: like a best seller, It was extremely popular. It really
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: heightened the myth and lore status of this particular idea
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: in place, and okay, people attempting to understand what's going
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: on in the Bermuda Trian. Proposed hypotheses to account for
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the events and the Bermuda Triangle range from the mundane
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to the fantastical, where you have on the more mundane side,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: things like rogue waves, intense weather, water spouts, and methane
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: eruptions as possible contributing variables that resulted in downing some
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: of these transportation vehicles.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Sure, but the more fantastic are fantasy pro and magical
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: thinking people like and this is I love this stuff
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, this is just fun to explore. I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: don't buy it. Sure it's fun to explore, right, yeah.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: The folks that are like kind of more fantasy thinking
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: among us have imagined reverse gravitational anomalies, time warps, sea monsters,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: parallel universes, UFOs, and aliens because of course, and crystal
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: energy technology specifically developed in the Lost City of Atlantis.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, quite a few. I mean, I don't know
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: why we don't throw zombies, wear wolves, witches, and doctor
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Strange in the mix as possible culpre but yeah, they
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: all seem equally plausible and reasonable explanations.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, I mean yeah, there are they all
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: hold the same water haunted water evil.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe this is where Cthulhu hangs out, or even Godzilla.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Godzilla's on vacation in the Caribbean. He's like, He's like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the you know, the Japanese beaches are beautiful, and but
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the Pacific Ocean is too cold. I need warmer climbs.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I'm a reptile, dammit.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly. See, it all makes sense.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, scientifically speaking, it would make more sense for
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Godzilla to be in the Atlantic Ocean than the Pacific Ocean.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I definitely at least closer to the equator. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Godzilla is going to be you would think checking out
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: where the where the warmer climates are.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: He ain't attack in Seattle, is all We're saying. He's
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: coming for San Diego, Miami, Austin, Texas, all the places
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: they have warm water.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And plus I'm not sure if they ever depict him
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: as being a particularly like a lizard that plans, But
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: if it was a lizard that plans, then like there's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: hardly a better place it could be than the Bermuda Triangle,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: right where like people kind of expect these disappearances to happen,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and people aren't necessarily looking for a monster to blame.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, So, oh god Zilla.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's also the Kraken.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: It could be the Kraken, It could be any number
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of things. At this point. Yeah, at this point in
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: time in the episode, we have no idea what it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Is we are about to get into that. Actually, so
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I wanted to just sort of list these events without
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: count like providing the more reasonable explanation of those events
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: right off the bat, Like, let's just get through them
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: at first.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because some people have really dug into this and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: they wanted to bring some science to it and start
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to understand what's happening. And so, of course, being the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: podcast that we are people who love debunking things and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: love espousing the scientific position on things, we were gonna
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: basically plan to go there and that's pretty much the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: whole point of this discussion. So yeah, let's go ahead
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and start digging into debunking right after we dig into
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: some ads.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, all right, we're back.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the I guess I would
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: call it skepticism. I mean it's really like the actual
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: analysis and scientific pulling a part of things, which is skepticism.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: That is what that is. But yeah, let's get into it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's start with Christopher Columbus, and I think
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: that we can start talking about some of the things
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: he saw. So, remember those flickering lights on the horizon
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that we talked about, These were likely just large bonfires
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: set and tended to by the indigenous peoples of the islands.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: As he was traveling through those areas, they seemed to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: turn on and off because the boat was going up
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and down on the ocean waves, So the fires appeared
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to disappeared from view simply by the fact that the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: horizon that they were viewing was changing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like it was far enough away that you
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: couldn't necessarily make out exactly what it is. But if
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you're bobbing up and down, then like is it's right
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: on the horizon, it will go and it'll be in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: view and then out of you. And if it's really dark,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you might have trouble understanding why that's the case, because
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: all you see is like often the distance lights and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: then no lights. But that is a very reasonable explanation. Yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: there was that bright light they reported crashing into the sea.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: This was most likely a meteor. If he actually did
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: see something matching that description, it was unclear from some
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of the sources I found, but they're they're like, well,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: there are lots of meteors out there, and this is
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a place where you could see them, so makes sense.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go, And especially like keeping in
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: mind at the time that you know, we're talking about this,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: there's really no light pollution. So there's there's like you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, not that there's a lot in the ocean anyway,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: but like it is important to kind of keep that
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: in mind, is like what is occurring as likely a
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: phenomenon that's happening on Earth rather than like you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: some light that's like kind of diluting whatever they're seeing
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: or their vision. So now regarding the strange compass readings,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: this one comes up a lot. This particular geographical space
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: does have a unique distinction of being one of the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: few places on Earth in which true north and magnetic
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: north aligne and compasses may try to point to true
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: north rather than the magnetic north or toggle between the two,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and that happens to be right around Bermuda. So you
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: might see a little bit of like wobbling on the compass.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: It's not like it's not like what you might imagine
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: where it's like it's just spinning the dial of spinning
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: over and over and over and they're like, whoa up
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and down and left is right? What do we do?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: It's more like just kind of wavering between two points.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So but it does make sense that, like it
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: just happens to be the case that like those magnetic
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: fields align there, and so you might get a compass
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that's doing some wonky things and have people be like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: over the vast majority of the Earth, I've been very
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: reliably able to expect that my compass will always point
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: north and I can use that to guide where I'm going,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, it's not doing that. Yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And it seems like one of those immutable laws that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be shifted. And so it's very confusing why
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it would be different, right, And like, so I can
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: understand to that point, but I don't know why you
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: need to jump to anything super mysterious about it. But
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that is something that they obviously wouldn't have understood back then,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: as like the trail versus magnetic north right exactly. There's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: also the seaweed they encountered. There's a special type of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: seaweed called sargassum in the Sargasso Sea that's a huge
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: chunk of the Atlantic Ocean. It is a brown seaweed
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that forms gigantic clusters in the ocean, and if you're
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: in the middle of one of those clusters, it almost
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: kind of looks like land that you're surrounded by out
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: in the water. And they can be very very large,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: like you can have quite a bit of them, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: they can be a little cumbersome and like you can
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: boats can get slowed down a little tangled up in them.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: These will wash up on shore. Have you seen sargassum
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: wash up in Florida?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it can like absolutely overload beaches, and so
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: there's like people who there are crews that go through
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: removing sargassum that washes up ashore. But anyway, the point
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: being that, like if they were floating through this at
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: various points, that could have been distressing in such a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: way that had them be like, what is going on?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: We see these lights disappearing off in the distance. We've
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: got this this compass is being weird. There's all these
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: crazy plants around us in the ocean, and so anyway
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that that could have been part of their experience there.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are times where when the clumbs get really
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: bad here, like the entire beach is covered and this
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: like it's almost like it's shaped like a brillowpad almost.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: It's like big and spongy a little bit, and it like,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it's really interesting. It always you have to be careful
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: around it because like you might find crabs in it,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: like waiting to like and like kind of hunting through
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff too. So there's some cool it's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it's very interesting from a marine biology standpoint.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so gassim is a pretty interesting organism,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I guess, as it were, and it does create these
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: very unique ecosystems that like float on the top of
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the ocean. Yeah, we'll get all these small marine life
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that will basically cluster and live in these spaces and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they kind of hunt each other. But it's also used
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: for protection.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sea turtles use it for protection.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And there could be just so so much
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of it. It's crazy. But it's like held a loft
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: in the ocean. It seems to have these they almost
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: look like berries that allow it to float right on
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the top of the ocean. Yeah, so, Sara, it's pretty
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: interesting stuff. It's not really the point of what we're
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: talking about in this discussion.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It's just weird. It's weird. It's a weird thing that
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: happens in this place that's already weird.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It is a weird thing in a weird place.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So okay, So we talked about Christopher Columbus kind
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of maybe gave some ideas on what was going on
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: with him. Let's talk a little bit about flight nineteen
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and what this looks like. So this was one of
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the flights that disappeared. So one investigator who spent more
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: time looking into this and then most found that the
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: flight leader, Charles Taylor, had a documented history of poor
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: navigation and had even crashed planes into the ocean before.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I also think it's really important, like what like what
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: we understand to be plane crashes now like is pretty
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: rare compared to like how often it was happening when
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: planes were first developed. There were way more plane crashes
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: as a general rule, and there were more like hijacke too,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Like it just happened all the time on planes, way
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: more than people think. But this guy, Charles Taylor, had
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: poor navigation histories and had crash planes before historically. Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So he and he was the leader of this little
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: squad of bombers out here, and as an example of
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: some of the mistakes that he made, the person who
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: this investigator I had found pulled up as he reportedly
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: misidentified islands that they were flying over. He didn't trust
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the plane's navigation equipment and instruments, and so he would
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: just make these decisions to fly off course and he's like, well,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the equipment's wrong, so I'm just gonna do this other
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: thing here because I think this is where we're supposed
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to go. And that was likely a very important contributing
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: factor in understanding what happened here.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable, Like I just I couldn't imagine talking to the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: captain and there he's like, Yeah, we're gonna eye it,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: We're gonna wing it. And I'm like, no, we're not. No,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: what do you what are we doing? What are you're
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: talking about? We're just gonna We're just gonna wing it,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: literally and figuratively. Now, the crew pushed back, obviously and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: argued that they were going the wrong way, but Taylor persisted,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and they likely flew around aimlessly, so they ran out
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: of fuel and crashed into the ocean.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. There is a fairly large trench that runs
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: through part of this area too, where I don't know
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: if they were over that trench, but like it does
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: make sense that some things if they if the wreck
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: happened nearer around the trench, that might be really difficult
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: to recover because it'd just be so deep and so dark,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't you wouldn't be able to easily pick it
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: up in any meaningful way, yea, if it was down
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: far enough. But yeah, so that happened. It's also likely
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that they did encounter some high winds. They reported that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: in their radio transmission. And this is a part of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the ocean that does tend to experience tropical storms and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: hurricanes with some frequency. Because it's so close to the equator,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it gets really warm there. You do tend to get
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: really high winds and sort of sudden storms. That seemed
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to sort of come out of nowhere, and there wasn't
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a hurricane then, but again they did report those high winds.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So the fact that they're flying around aimlessly, they're low
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: on fuel, the compass is confusing them with true north,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and the captain's just stubborn refusal to listen to the crew.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: That's likely what happened that resulted in the crash here.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: And I mean, it's just like there are vessels that
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: go down in the ocean that we just never find
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: them again. It's just a really big space that's very deep,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and we can't always find stuff out there. We've mapped
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: so little of the ocean, like it's just a huge,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: huge area and it gets very difficult to see and
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: probe into the depths of the ocean.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so, says you say. I say they
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: were pulled into a time warp, and so Charles Taylor
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and his crew are going to show up at a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: random time. They're going to land it in an airport
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: with a flight itinerary that doesn't match what the airport is,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be very confusing for everybody, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: then they'll disappear again. There's some ghost stories that tell
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that exact thing, which is like very spooky.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe they went back in history and they landed at
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the time of the dinosaurs and lived.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe it is. Maybe it is. It's good for them, hopefully.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think the I think they'd have a hard
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: time breathing because that at the time it was so
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: oxygen rich. I think they'd be like because it's just
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: it would be it would be too much for them.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think they could handle it. And then Charles
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Taylor would lead them into the jungle and he'd be like,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: we're going this way, and they would be like, clearly
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: there's a tyrannosaurus that way, and he would go not
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: not no, no, no, no, no, I don't trust what
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you're saying. We're gonna go this way anyway, and then
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: he probably got eaten.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Probably all right, we've accepted they the time more eypothesis,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least it's you know, when it comes to parsimony.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, sure, Okay, let's go ahead and get into
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: just a more general, overall explanation of what's likely happening
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: in this space. There's a couple of pieces of information
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that once you have them, I think it will start
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to demystify the Bermuda Triangle fairly rapidly. One of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: most significant pieces of information that scientists and skeptics have
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: pointed to is pretty damning. The issue here is that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the number of incidents, the randomness appearances without explanation with
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: no wreckage found that actually happens a lot all over
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the ocean, quite a lot, so much so that they
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: say there's actually nothing special about this here.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Right, Incidents in the Bermuda Triangle are no higher than
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: anywhere else in the world. I mean, like, it's so
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: interesting that we do we do have these conversations about
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: this because like the Bermuda Triangle is a thing, but
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Amelia Earhart is probably one of the most famous disappearances
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and it didn't even happen on the side of the.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Planet, right, So yeah, that's I think a thing worth
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: considering is that, like if we were to look at
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: look at all these these things are going to the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle and they disappear, I'm like, actually, if you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: look at the numbers, it happens all over the place.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Like traveling over the ocean is challenging, it is a
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: little bit dangerous, and people have disappeared doing this thing
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and sometimes the wreckage is not found. And the actual
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: amount that it happens in Bermuda is not unique to
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: anywhere else in the world. And this happens to be
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: a very high traffic area. It's one of the busy
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: at shipping lanes in the world has been for some time,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: so there's gonna be more opportunities for rex and crashes,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: but they continue to occur at a proportional rate relative
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to all of the maritime traffic. So the amount of
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: rex and crashes are not outside of the realm of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: what you'd find anywhere you're traversing the ocean.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Right right, It's really no, it's really no different. I mean,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: it's just it's quantifiably maybe you could possibly report a
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: high number, but comparatively, like from a percentage standpoint, ratio standpoint,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: it's not any different.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And you might be thinking, like if you're hearing the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: stories about the Bermuda Triangle, you might be wondering, like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: why are people still going into this place? Why is
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it the case that like you'd feel like if there
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: was something to worry about, people would just stop going
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: there all together.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Right, sure, yeah, you would think so, But here we are. Okay,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: So consider this for a second. Flights in maritime vessels
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: travel US route by the hundreds every week, and the
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of them make it safely to their destination,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: so much so that no one has found it necessary
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: to detour this route. And you would think they would
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: if they had the remotest concern, but they're not. And
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, like I think you brought
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: it up before we even gotten the show, like talk
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: about insurance companies. Insurance companies still cover people going through
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: this place, right.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's actually the next part here is that
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: one of the most sensitive I would argue that one
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of the most sensitive metrics for the reality of incidents
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: such as these is insurance. And it's because insurance companies
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: either will not ensure a high risk thing such as
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: this if it was high risk, or they would charge
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: exceptionally high premiums if they thought there was that much risk.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: And they just collect oodles and oodles of data to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: make decisions about where they're going to cover things and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: where they won't. And the leader and maritime insurance, a
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: company called Lloyd's of London, reports that they charge normal
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: insurance rates for vessels traveling this portion of the Bermuda
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Triangle as it's called, because, as they say specifically, it
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: is no more hazardous than anywhere else in the ocean,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and they would lose money if it were the case
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that like they were wrong and there were higher incidents
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of things going down in the Bermuda Triangle. So like
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: they're very much incentivized to be overly cautious about this, right,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and they are not. And I think that kind of
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: tells you everything is like insurance company is not going
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to mess around with numbers or money, Like if they
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: had any concern, they wouldn't insure it, or they would
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: charge alarming amounts. But they do insure it, and they're like, eh,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: They're like, it's no concern to us. It's no more
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: higher risk than anyone on the ocean.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Right. I think that's a really important note, Like, yeah,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: we can make the argument that like, insurance companies have
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: their own problems and stuff like this, but I do
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: think that understanding the motivation of an insurance company tells
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you everything you need to know, like which is to
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: save money to prevent losses. And here they are willing
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to take a risk on boats going through places that
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: are supposed to be quote unquote more dangerous. And I
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: think the other side too, that we're going to talk
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: about is like the evidence, right, like the permanent problem,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: like the leftover of these wrecks, right. And while people
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: have had a difficult time recovering some of the wrecks
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of the lost vessels, many contend that there have been
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: no incidents that could not be explained at all, at
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: least using basic logical deduction. We talked about things like
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the magnetic polls. We talked about navigation systems. We talked
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: about human error as possible reasons for why those disappearances occurring,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: and more likely human error.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so if not all recks, most of the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: recks have happened, could be like we know what happened
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to some of them, but for the ones where we're
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: not sure it was likely human error. There are dangerous reefs,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: There are such things as rogue waves, are those sudden
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: storms of the instances where they had low fuel. And again,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: wreckage is sometimes recovered, just like in other parts of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the ocean. So it's not that everything that has disappeared
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: was never found again. There are things that were disappeared
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: that they did find. Yeah, and then they understood what happened.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: So like one of the things that they've said is
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: sciences solved the mystery of the Bermuda trie and the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: mystery was there was no mystery, Like right, yeah, there's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: like there's nothing to see here. It's just like you
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: could pick any you could draw a triangle anywhere any
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: part of the ocean, and you would where there is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: any amount of like shipping going on or like people
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: traveling that space, and you would see about the exact
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: same rates you do as you do in the Bermuda triangle.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Anywhere you draw a triangle, you're gonna find pretty much
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the same thing if it overlaps with where a lot
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: of human activity is taking place. If you draw in
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a place where there's very little human activity, then it
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: will look kind of different. But generally speaking, if you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: pick a shipping lane somewhere, you will find the same thing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: So that I think is I don't know if it's
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the nail in the coffin, like the final nail in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the coffin, as they say, but it's I find it
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: very convincing to just look at the basic math, look
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: at the insurance, and look at the fact that like
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: people are I think look hearing stories about the Bermuda
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Triangle and thinking like these twenty times that people dared
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to enter the space and all of them they disappeared,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And it's actually like, no, there's just thousands and thousands
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and thousands and thousands of people who use this all
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the time, and some of them, unfortunately, tragically do crash
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: and people and lives are lost, and that's always a
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: terrible thing thing that happens, and it is a thing
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that happens unfortunately so you know, humans have gotten increasingly
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: good at creating ways to die. They are also very
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: good at like inventing safety systems to try and prevent
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: them from dying. And most of the time those systems work,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: like the overwhelming majority of the time, but sometimes they don't.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: And when we engage in those high risk behaviors, tragedies
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: can happen. And it's never a good thing that it happens,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of course, but we also look at and acknowledge that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: it's a thing that happens, and so we don't need
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to necessarily demonize anyone part of the world has belong
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: is as having mysterious forces that compel them to happen.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: If that's not what's happening, which isn't here?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Sure? Sure? I mean there are so many stories of
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: in specific going to a human error part. There are
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: so many stories of people making choices because either their
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: crew has turned on them, because of greed, because of
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: time and deadlines. Like there's a there's a really great story,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I say, a great story, but there's a really good
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: example of this where I forget what the actual ship
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: was called. I just listened to podcast on it, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the ship was they were sailing from Europe around Africa
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to get to Jakarta and Indonesia where they were trying
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: to get nutmeg because nutmeg was really valuable, and it
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: was a shipping company that did this. It was not Magellan,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: but it was a really good example of capitalism, which
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: was kind of like, So the ship leaves and they
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: are past their deadline, so the ship captain decides to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: take a short cut, and when he does this guy's
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: also had a history of sinking other ships due to errors,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: takes a shortcut, hit some really dangerous reefs and ends
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: up killing most of the crew as a result of it,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and so it's one of those things. They know what
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: happened though, because the company came to find them to
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: salvage all of the goods that were still sealed in
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the barrels, vinegar and nutmeg being two of the things
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: they really had to save. Didn't really care about the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: but they made sure that that stuff was and the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: gold there was like treasure and stuff on it too.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: So the point is like that was a decision made
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: by human. Shipwreck happened, and you could see how easily
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it is to do that in a world where the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: ocean is an incredibly dangerous place.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Indeed, but people do go on in the ocean so
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that they can at least avoid ads.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: That's sure.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've kind of i think said what
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: we have to say about the Bermuda Triangle. Interestingly, this
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: is one of the shortest episodes we've had in some time.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I think this is one of the shortest episodes we've
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: ever done.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is. It's probably in the ten,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: like top ten percent of the shortest episodes we've done.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Because there's really nothing. I mean, if we're talking about
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: science and parsimoni and skepticism, it's just likely that things happen,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: but they're not supernatural things.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, that's the Bermuda Triangle. There's a little
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: bit understanding why people got worked up about this, how
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it came to be a cultural phenomenon, which is largely
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that people decided it was going to be a cultural phenomenon. Like, Yeah,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I think a couple of these tragic events took place
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: at particularly unique points in time. Like World War One
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was when that cyclops, that USS cyclops disappeared. World War
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: two is when the planes disappeared. Yeah, both of them
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: were like in similar regions and under conditions under which
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: people were I think particularly devastated by what happened, which
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is like these things just they're just gone all of
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a sudden. Yeah, and just high profile events. But yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: otherwise it's not really different from anything else.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I think that's what we have to say,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: even about the Bermuda Triangle. If you would like to
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: tell us your experiences or thoughts about the Bermuda Triangle,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you can certainly do that. One way you can reach
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: out to us is by emailing us directly info atwwdwwdpodcast
• 40:54
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• 40:56
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• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Before we wrap the up, we are actually going to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: give some recommendations. This is a thing that we do
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: every week and we think that it's fun. It's not
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: related to the Bermuda Triangle, but it's a thing, but
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: stuff that we're just going to recommend anyway, And if
• 41:10
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• 41:12
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• 41:15
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• 41:19
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• 41:22
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• 41:25
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• 41:28
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• 41:30
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• 41:34
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• 41:40
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• 41:42
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• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, You're just incredible.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Also, thank you so much to my team of people
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: without whom I could not make this episode writing and
• 41:50
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• 41:53
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• 41:55
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• 41:58
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• 42:01
  Speaker 1: this episode because there were a lot of places where
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: we sort of meandered. So if you heard a cohesive episode,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: then a giant thanks to Justin for all the amazing
• 42:11
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• 42:12
  Speaker 2: And if the episode is not cohesive, blame him.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Definitely not. We're the ones who recorded it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: It's our fault.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's our fault. Anyway, cool. I think that's what
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: we have to say before we transition to our recommendations.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: That feels good. I like that.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Let's recommend some things. Yay, recommendations. I'm recommending a movie.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: This is the third installment in movies that were created
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: following the ending of the syndicated television show psych So
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: this show started, I want to say in the mid
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to early two thousand years, but it's about someone who
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: was trained from a young age by their father to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: be very observant and is sort of a fun loving,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: happy go lucky, not really want to work very hard
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: kind of guy, and gets himself into some hot water
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and gets out of it by pretending to be a
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: psychic and then uses that to work with the police
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the seasons, pretending to be a psychic.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Always there's like a non supernatural explanation for things, but
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: it's a sort of just fun show for the comedy
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and shenanigans that these characters get themselves into and all
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the characters in it. And after the show ended, they
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: have done three movies that kind of just feel like
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: continuations of the story. There's sort of like really long
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: episodes where you have just like a big mystery that
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: gets solved, or a couple of mysteries. And so the
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Psychic three called This Is Gus, which one of the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: characters name is Gus, and that's obviously supposed to be
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a pun on This is Us the TV show, Sure,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: although it really doesn't have anything to do with any
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of the plots. And This is Us but just a
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: fun comedic movie. It's a through peacock if people have
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: that service. But I thought it was very enjoyable, very fun.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I've liked pretty much everything that has been done in
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: this series, and I enjoyed that movie as well. So
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that's my recommendation psych three, This is Gus.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I've never watched that show, but I've always
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: heard it's really good.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: It's very funny. I really enjoy it. I mean it's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: really just great jokes, great gags, great running gags that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: they have.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love that. So I figure
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: out if I have to watch show to catch up
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: on that, but I will start watching that, I think. Okay,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna recommend a music and it is scary loud
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: metal music to go along with my Halloween things. And
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that's a band called Atomic Rule. So if you are
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: fans of I've talked about the band every Time I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Die on here. I know we both have before. When
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: they split up, the multiple members of the bands went
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to go do different things, so you had better lovers,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: which is a really great example of a band. From them,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: You've got Many Eyes, which is the singer, which is
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: also very good. Atomic Rule is Andy from Every Time
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I Die. He's the big guitar player with the big
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: old mustache. He's a really big guy. Nice and Atomic
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Rule just put out their first EP called with Skull
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Crushing Force Love and it is a brutal, heavy, bring
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: your head and bang it type of record, so super fun,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: super good, really catchy stuff and I really dig it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like every Time I Die, like if
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: that's what you're expecting. It just is a good technical
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: heavy metal record band or like record release. So I
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: think you'll join it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm very excited. I'm very excited to check that out.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: That sounds really good.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's cool.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: All right, So Psych three this is Gus and Atomic
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Rule with Skull Crushing Force EP for some movies and
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: music entertainment things perfect. Well, I think that's what we
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: have to say this. So that'll wrap up this installment
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: of our Halloween spooky themed episodes month. We'll be back
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: next week with another one of those. Well, we also
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: do minis. These are short episodes that we do. They're
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes long or less. And in October we
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: also do spooky theme topics for our minis for the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: whole month, so we'll be those come out on Mondays.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Our full length such as this come out on Wednesdays.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: But we're only halfway through this, not even halfway through this.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: We got so much more spooky content.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: We got so much more.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, very good. Well, we look forward to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: seeing everyone next time. Is there anything you'd like to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: add or anything that I missed before? We sayah, goodbyes.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Uh nope, not today. Perfect then, thank you all for listening.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: This is Abraham and this is Shane. We're out.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: See yup, you've been listening to Why we do what
• 46:29
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• 46:32
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• 46:38
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