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BONUS: The Podcast About Podcasts – Featuring Hey Dude! What's up man? · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time. Here we go.
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  This month in February of 2025, we are doing a podcast about
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  podcast. We want to introduce you to
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  other track and field themed podcasts that are out there that
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  might be great for your listening pleasure.
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  So all month we're introducing a new podcast each and every day,
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  showing you who they are, what they are, how they are, why they
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  got started and even their favorite episodes and most
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  popular. And hopefully this adds to your
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  podcast listening library. So here we go.
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  Let's get started with today's podcast about podcast.
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  All right, let's hop right into it here with our next podcast.
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  Guys, gals, why don't you introduce yourself, kind of give
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  us a 32nd, 30,000 foot level of what your relationship is to our
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  great sport and what's the name of the podcast that we're
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  talking about today? Go ahead, Julia.
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  I'll jump in first. So my name is Julia Abel.
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  I ran track at A&M for five years.
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  Coach Mcraven was my coach, and then I got hired.
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  When the rules changed about hiring additional coaches, I got
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  hired as a second distance coach.
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  So now I get to coach alongside my former coach, which is
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  awesome. The name of our podcast is, hey
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  dude, what's up man? I'll let him explain it 'cause
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  he's kind of why it got named the way it is named.
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  But yeah, that's just a short high up view of me.
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  All right, I'm Wendell Mcraven, cross country and distance coach
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  at Texas A&M. I've been here.
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  I guess this is my 14th year at Texas A and MI lost track.
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  How many years of college coaching?
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  As Julie said, it's the hey dude, what's up man podcast and
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  what am I forget to spend what I have to mention here.
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  What's it what's it about? It's about.
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  It's about running, I guess. And yeah, that's about it.
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  I love it and so my question is, well, what is the significance
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  of the name? This is a very original.
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  Oh yeah, I love the origin of the name.
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  What's how do we come up with hey dude, what's up?
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  I'm. Sorry that that idea was Coach
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  Abel's idea, but I guess I was the motivation.
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  Apparently my greeting when I greet people and she notices at
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  last year's convention she was wandering around with being.
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  And I said, you know, stay close to me, you'll stay out of
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  trouble, stay close to me or maybe get in more trouble.
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  And everybody I walked, she noticed my hat.
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  I thought maybe the end of the first day or second day or
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  something like that, Like, why do you greet everybody the way
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  you do? And I'm like, what are you
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  talking about? He's like every person you run
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  into, you're like, hey, dude, what's up, man?
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  And I'm like, I don't do that. And I noticed I actually do.
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  And it's kind of like reading. I don't know why I don't just
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  say hey, dude, or why I don't just say what's up, man?
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  I apparently got to get a lot of words out.
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  So I threw in the hey, dude, what's up man?
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  And, and I, I told her I actually do like, it's not
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  because I don't recognize people or know their names.
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  I really do know the people. And then I introduce her to the
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  people and stuff like that. But but yeah, that's, that's my
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  greeting. So when we when we decided to
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  start a podcast, she she said that would be the logical name.
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  I love it. And talk to us about the style.
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  Is it, you know, typically I'd call it a one person with no
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  guest, a solo podcast. There's two of you.
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  Is it always the two of you? Do you have guest?
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  What's kind of the the style that we go here?
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  Yeah, So far through Episode 11, that's our most recent one
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  there. It's just the two of us now.
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  We have talked about obviously we want to get other people on,
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  we want to get our maybe some current athletes on, former
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  athletes on coaches. We do want to expand it.
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  But yes, at this current moment it is has been just the two of
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  us for the 1st 11 episodes. And I, I love the report you 2
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  have, you know, Julia's being an athlete to Wendell at 1st and
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  now being a peer working alongside him.
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  To me, it's always great because you get to see kind of a picture
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  to the future. So you see his hair.
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  I got, I got bad news. I know, yeah.
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  It is awesome. I I, I will agree with that.
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  What is the I know that you know things can vary min and Max
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  here, but what's the average length of an episode?
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  We're we're right, right in, in about an hour, right?
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  Yeah. We have some that are less, some
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  that are unfortunately more for our listeners.
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  They got to deal with us for a little bit longer than an hour,
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  but yeah, they're right around that hour range.
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  Awesome, and you know, we all start these things for some
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  reason or another. What's the original you about 11
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  episodes in? What was the original motivation
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  to start the Hey Dude What's Up Man podcast?
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  Well, I'll, I'll start it and and let Julie expound on it.
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  But I think one of the things that, that I think both of us
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  independently kind of wanted to, to do a podcast.
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  I, I had a podcast by my original podcast Mike, which we
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  thought was defective. Turns out it just probably
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  wasn't turned on. And, and she had a podcast, but
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  she had taken some, she'll tell you more about that.
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  But she had taken some classes, communications classes and stuff
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  at AMA, you know, that delved into that area.
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  But we were in the that year, this past last year in the fall
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  in recruiting, you know, just taking recruits and their
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  parents around. A lot of parents started
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  mentioning, wow, you guys are kind of funny.
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  Like why don't you guys start? You guys just do a podcast, You
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  guys with, you know, the kind of the banter back and forth, the
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  same thing we do on the podcast. I mean, we just, that's just who
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  we are. We just kind of joke back and
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  forth and kind of RIP each other a little bit.
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  All in good fun. And and we it kind of light bulb
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  went off and I think when we saw you in Eugene at the guilt
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  social guilt coaches social. We had just recorded our first
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  episode that day. We finally got, you know, pack
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  your mics, we're going to Eugene, pack your mic.
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  We'll we'll have time. We'll record an episode, the
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  first episode of the podcast. But yeah, that's that's what
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  kind of led into it a little bit of a self motivation, but then
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  inspired by by recruits and their parents.
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  That's. Cool Julia, anything to add
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  there? Yeah, it, it just, it really was
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  on those like I, I wanted to go into radio broadcasting
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  originally in college. And so I had to take a lot of
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  classes where I had to buy all the equipment and I had to learn
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  how to edit, edit audio and all that stuff.
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  So our, our podcast is actually not audio edited.
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  We just upload the the raw file. But I already had that
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  background knowing how to do that kind of stuff and having an
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  interest in it. And so when I decided several
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  years ago not to go down that path anymore, I thought, well,
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  part of what excited me was having like a talk show or
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  something like that. And so I'm like, well, I don't
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  have to do that as my career. I could have a podcast where I
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  get to still kind of have that be a hobby, not a career,
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  because I still did have a passion for that aspect.
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  So yeah, now it's now we're having, we didn't start it to,
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  you know, recruit with or anything that it's, it's
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  literally just us saying, hey, if we're the only two people
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  that listen to it, then that's totally cool.
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  And who knows, maybe we are, but well, we're not, we know we're
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  not. But the cool thing is we'll get
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  emails from recruits going like, hey, I found, I found y'all's
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  podcast and it's like the first time they've ever emailed us,
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  but they've already listened to our podcast.
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  And one thing we tell them on the visits is like, hey, what
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  you see is what you get. Like the interactions you see us
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  have, like I used to be his athlete, like this is not, we're
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  not Co workers. We didn't meet at, you know, 40
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  years old. Like he met me when I was 17
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  years old. And we have this kind of
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  relationship. This is kind of proof of the
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  developmental and the relationship you'll have as an
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  athlete here. You get to actually see it
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  happen. And so the podcast is just like
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  another layer of that and people from all across the country can
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  now experience what happens at practice and stuff like that.
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  We have our former athletes Will former teammates of mine will
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  text us and say I feel like I'm sitting in the lounge before
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  practice just hearing like hearing coach talk before
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  practice, like this is such a nostalgic thing for me to listen
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  to. So it's been really cool on all
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  fronts. Being I'm gonna say only 11
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  episodes in because I know you have several 100 more to go
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  before this ever phase out, Is it safe to assume that the
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  original idea and form it stayed the same so far?
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  Episode 1 through 11 right there?
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  Probably you haven't had a lot of time maybe to evolve into
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  other styles and formats. Yeah, I think that's, I think
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  that's true. I mean we, we, I mean, we really
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  just kind of turned the mic on. I mean, we've had a little bit
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  of now a little bit of outline, but it's very, very rough.
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  But pretty much we just turned the mic on and go.
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  Do you? Do you do you though?
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  I mean, it took the 8 or 9 episodes for you to turn it on.
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  Yeah. OK, one of the mics gets turned
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  on, maybe not mine, and we go like coach, you need to yell in
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  the background so we can hear you.
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  Like you mumble all the time. You're just.
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  You're getting a preview of what happens every episode right
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  here, guy. This is basically the format
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  here in business, every business, every correct business
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  creates what they call an ideal customer profile.
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  So like for us at Gill, certainly moms and dads will
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  order some equipment from us. We have contractor and
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  construction companies that order for us, but our ideal
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  customer who we are when we produce equipment, market,
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  etcetera, we're focused at the college and high school track
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  coach, podcasters, kind of the same thing.
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  Your ideal listener profile, you're targeting someone,
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  they're going to be other people that may listen and you
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  mentioned recruits and your former athletes, maybe current
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  athletes, maybe coaches, etcetera.
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  Who is your ideal listener profile?
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  Who are you really targeting? Who should be listening?
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  I don't know if we've thought that deeply well.
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  I OK, maybe we haven't refined it as much, but I would say I'll
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  do 2 and that gives a better answer than having none.
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  I would say 1 is just, you know, that again, not using it as a
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  recruiting tool, but like that, maybe it's a young runner.
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  And when we're not talking about serious specifics of training,
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  we got into a little bit of that in episode.
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  I think I'll, I think 10, but we're not getting into the nitty
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  gritty, high level stuff that a professional runner needs to
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  hear. I don't have that experience to
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  speak on that. So a lot of our episodes,
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  especially the early on ones, are like how to run in the heat,
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  how to find a run club. And so I think our target at a
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  very basic level is just the people that the people that
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  think that running isn't for them.
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  And they're kind of like, oh, well, I'm not, I don't want to
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  listen to a running podcast because I'm not a professional
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  runner or a professional coach. I'm not an Olympian.
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  It's like, yeah, we're not trust me.
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  We're not talking to those people.
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  We're talking to the people that are, you know, they're excited
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  about running. Running is a passion and a
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  hobby, but it's not their entire life at this point yet.
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  And I think the other side of that would be we do talk about
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  kind of big picture NCAA topics and, and stuff like that.
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  And so I think on the flip side, maybe some, some coaches who
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  want to take a step away a little bit and look at it from a
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  big picture of like, oh, This is why we all got into running and
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  coaching in the 1st place because it was fun.
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  And that's like a direct quote from Coach Mcraven.
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  And I said it even how he says it, but you got into it because
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  it was fun. And so I think our podcast is to
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  remind, I guess all people that, hey, it's supposed to be fun.
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  Here's some tips if you're a, a starting out runner, Here's some
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  things to think about if you're a college coach.
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  But big picture, it's a, it's a fun thing that we all do because
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  we enjoy it. And that's why I think, not
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  intentionally, but we don't get into the nitty gritty, super
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  serious stuff because there's enough of that.
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  There's enough of that on other podcasts with people that are
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  more qualified than me to talk on that.
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  So I'm going to talk about what makes it fun and exciting and
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  how to make you love it if you've kind of fallen out of
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  that too. That's awesome.
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  I love that. Out of the 11 episodes that
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  you've had, what has been your favorite episode?
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  And maybe another way to answer it could be what's maybe been
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  the most popular? Those are those two aren't
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  necessarily the same episodes, but maybe what's what's been
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  your favorite or what's been the most popular one.
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  You can go first on favorite. It it, it might be the emotional
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  water bottle. I should have gone first on
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  favorite. Yeah, I mean, that might be my
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  favorite one. And, and part partially because
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  it's part of the subject is Al Karius, who was my college coach
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  and who's the guy that means the world to me.
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  And it's, it's something that he taught us in, in and it's
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  technically it's the emotional container.
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  It's not the emotional water bottle.
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  I've turned it into the emotional water bottle.
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  But, but it's, you know, it's something that Al talked about,
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  I mean, talked about before I was in college and continued.
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  And that was 100 years ago. And, and, and I think it's stuck
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  with me as you know, you deal with, with, with, with student
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  athletes and, and people in general that we all, we only
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  have so much emotion in this and how to, how to ration that out
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  in a, in a way to be at your peak when it, when it matters
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  the most. So that's my favorite.
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  I don't know if it's, I don't even know what the most popular
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  episode is because I don't look at the numbers.
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  He is, he is not the, he says he's not the brains behind the
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  operation. So I actually do have the
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  analytics pulled up. The most popular one is our
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  first one. And I will say for our
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  listeners, that is only because we heavily promoted the first
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  few and then the rest of the time we just kind of got caught
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  up in other stuff. And not that the excitement of
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  doing the podcast wore off, but I think we really heavily pushed
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  out. And I mean, we were sending the
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  link straight to people in Group messages and posting it
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  everywhere. So our first 4 episodes are our
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  four first four most listened ones.
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  Yeah, those are my don't, don't judge us all those, those are
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  the worst ones. I will say though, after those
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  four that we really promoted ourselves #7 the emotional water
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  bottle one is the 5th best. So I would say that one.
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  I mean, realistically at that point, we weren't, we weren't
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  pushing it out as much. So I'm going to say that's our
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  most listened to just because the other ones, it's only
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  because we basically forced people to listen to those.
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  But but that one is my favorite one as well.
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  I feel like it has a lot of substance to it.
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  It's something that people, whether they're runners or not,
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  can really take away from it. I, I mentioned it there, my
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  brother works in finance. If he gets out way too
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  aggressively and stuff, and I got Q1 for him, if they get, if
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  he gets burned out in the first part of the year, he's going to
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  be barely getting it through November and December.
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  And so I think that one applies no matter what industry you're
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  in is just kind of keeping in check your mental health and
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  your emotional side of things. Yeah, I love that.
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  You know, our fans, our listeners, we certainly have
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  some group of listeners that have listened from episode 1 all
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  the way through to today, but that's a pretty small number.
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  Most listeners come and go. They'll come in whether it's a
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  subject matter that they like or the time of the year based on
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  their busy schedules or not. But you guys have been there for
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  every episode. You're behind the mic and you're
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  doing all these other things behind the scenes that people
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  don't see that what it takes to put out a podcast.
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  What have you learned in this 11 episode stretch that you've had?
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  Where have you grown? Where have you learned?
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  Where have you evolved as a podcast host creator during this
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  time? OK, I'll start.
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  I think I've learned. They they have not learned who
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  goes fur. They haven't got that that rat a
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  tat down just here. Jump in on this one.
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  Yeah, I think for one thing I've learned is that there there is a
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  little bit of a level preparation that needs to
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  happen. You know, I think the first few
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  episodes we just really kind of shooting from the hip and we've
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  done that and that's worked out OK.
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  But I think you kind of have to have a little bit more of a
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  plan. And and, and we're we definitely
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  haven't we haven't scripted anything, nothing scripted.
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  But we, we, I think otherwise you pretty much soon you run out
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  of topics if you don't, if you don't really have a plan as to
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  what you're going to talk about, you know, So I think that that's
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  preparation is one thing. I I think is is probably one of
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  the keys. Yeah, good, Julia.
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  I'll say the big thing we we learned or maybe just confirmed
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  with ourselves was we got into it because people like our
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  authentic relationship with each other.
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  And so I think one thing that I've learned is that people love
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  that we, the feedback we've gotten is not y'all, y'all
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  rambled or there wasn't really a clear plan today.
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  And, and I guess this maybe goes against what he's saying.
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  I agree with him. And we need to have a, you know,
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  a plan moving forward if we want to like keep having, if we want
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  to grow this thing. But I think in that we also need
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  to stay true to just being authentic, not having it
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  extremely scripted, because I feel like people in today's
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  world like things that are just authentic and we mess up and we
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  don't edit ourselves. And so it's just kind of like
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  sometimes I look at him and I'm like, like, what are you saying?
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  Like I'm giving him like the cut off signal behind the mic, Like,
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  Oh my gosh, no, stop. But I think we want to keep an
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  aspect of that because that's why we got started in the 1st
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  place. People didn't like sitting here
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  listening to us get interviewed by, you know, the newspapers
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  here, that that wasn't the exciting thing.
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  They liked hearing us just in the vans at practice, just
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  talking back and forth. And so we need to keep that
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  aspect of it because that's what people like.
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  That's why we got started. Yeah, love that.
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  All right. Last two questions here.
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  Where can listeners find you? Are you exclusive on any any one
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  of the podcast apps? Do you have a YouTube component?
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  Where can we we find you at? No one needs to see our faces.
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  That's what Coach Mcraven says. So we are on Apple and Spotify,
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  yeah. Perfect.
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  And, you know, we've know from just, you know, general podcast
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  listeners that the average number of episodes of podcasts
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  that a listener listens to. If you're a podcast listener,
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  you listen to between 7:00 and 10:00, different types of
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  podcasts. Take away your track podcast.
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  What is your favorite podcast to listen to?
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  Go ahead, coach Table. Oh no, you said take away your
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  track. Podcast, yeah, no track.
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  We're we're already hitting all the track ones through this
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  mobile series. So what's just a, a, a we're
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  kind of really kind of learning about you.
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  What's something that you like to listen to?
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  Coach Mcraven go first here. OK, I, I really like, and this
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  is going to sound weird for a college track coach, but my one
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  of my favorite podcasts and I, I do listen to it religiously as
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  the College Football Inquirer, Dan Wetzel and Pat 40 and Ross
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  Dellinger and the Pete family used to be on it.
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  They're just I, I just I also, I enjoy their style.
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  They, they keep it fun, they keep it light.
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  They always they, they joke around a lot and I'm a huge
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  college football fan, which sounds odd for maybe a college
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  track and cross country coach, but I am a huge college football
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  fan. The good lesson that we're
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  people first, not our profession first.
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  So Wendell loves college football, which I do too.
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  So I love that a lot, Julia. Coach, do you remember that one?
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  I listened to that when it was like a medical one that my
• 18:16
  brother sent me. I like, can't remember the, I
• 18:20
  can't remember the name of it now.
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  It's like you're drawing me a blank.
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  I don't, I don't know, I don't have the I.
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  Listen to this one. OK, I don't like coach Mcgraven
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  can get into all like the specifics of training.
• 18:29
  I listened to this one. I was actually on a run last
• 18:31
  year and my brother had sent it to me.
• 18:33
  When I find you the when I find the name, I will e-mail it to
• 18:36
  you. But it was a really good one and
• 18:37
  it kind of went through a lot of like medical research on I guess
• 18:42
  it was still like a athletic one, but it was not a track 1.
• 18:44
  He was going through basically bone health and and stuff like
• 18:47
  that, which I found was really interesting.
• 18:49
  It was good timing to listen to it as I was transitioning out of
• 18:52
  collegiate athletics going into, but what is lifestyle fitness
• 18:55
  look like? What does my bone health in 50
• 18:59
  years look like? Or if I'm trying to play with my
• 19:02
  grandkids, can I lift them up? So it was talking about kind of
• 19:05
  the rate at which all that declines and building that up
• 19:09
  now. So I was looking at kind of that
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  as I was structuring how I was going to train for the rest of
• 19:13
  my life after being a college athlete.
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  Yeah, love that. Very cool.
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  And I got, I got. I got one more I.
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  Want to? To, to since she, she, she
• 19:21
  couldn't come up with one. I, I get 2, but two writers
• 19:24
  slinging Yang with Jeff Pearlman.
• 19:27
  He's a, an author every week. It's like every week he
• 19:32
  interviews a different writer. And it could be not just a, a
• 19:36
  traditional writer. It could be somebody that you
• 19:39
  know is a songwriter. It can be you name it, he's he
• 19:43
  and, and they're really interesting interviews.
• 19:47
  I, yeah, I he comes out with one once a week.
• 19:49
  He's he's written a lot of books.
• 19:51
  He's written the Walter Payton bio, the big one about the
• 19:54
  Lakers they turned into Showtime series, Bo Jackson bio,
• 19:58
  etcetera, etcetera. So he's, he's really it.
• 20:01
  Is he he he really is into the the?
• 20:06
  The actual into writing like into that as a as a profession
• 20:09
  and a thing to do and and and so he interviews a lot of people
• 20:11
  out there. Very cool I.
• 20:13
  Got my phone out. It was the drive by Peter Attia.
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  Thank you the. Drive good.
• 20:16
  All right, perfect. Love it.
• 20:18
  Well, listener, so we're done right with this episode.
• 20:21
  So my challenge to you is to hit pause, use the exact same app
• 20:24
  that you're listening to this right now and just search for
• 20:26
  hey, dude, what's up, man? And that'll bring the podcast up
• 20:29
  right there. And my recommendation, I always
• 20:31
  like to recommend listen to the the latest episodes.
• 20:33
  That'll kind of give you where they are in their journey and
• 20:36
  the flavor and style of the podcast.
• 20:37
  But I am absolutely going to implore you and challenge you to
• 20:41
  go listen to the empty water bottle theory.
• 20:45
  I thought I echo what those two said.
• 20:47
  It is my favorite episode of all theirs by a mile.
• 20:50
  And I love all their episodes. They have had one guy at least
• 20:53
  listen to every single one of them and it's this guy here.
• 20:56
  But the empty water bottle, I was so struck by its message and
• 21:01
  of course, the originator of Valkyrias about what it means to
• 21:04
  be. They talked a little bit more
• 21:06
  about it, like as an athlete, but I reflected on it as a coach
• 21:09
  of we need you for the long term.
• 21:11
  And so you can't go to the well and go dry.
• 21:14
  So that's gonna be my challenge. Let's go listen to that.
• 21:16
  So same app you're listening right now.
• 21:17
  Just search. Hey, dude, what's up, man?
• 21:19
  And they'll bring it up and maybe it's the right style for
• 21:21
  you. Hit that subscribe button.
• 21:22
  That way you'll know when they publish their next episode for
• 21:25
  you to listen to. So thanks again for being here,
• 21:26
  guys. I hope this podcast brings you a
• 21:28
  lot of joy and entertainment and that it's one for your seven to
• 21:31
  10 to listen to. Thanks, Wendell.
• 21:32
  Thanks, Julia. Thanks, Mike.