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Obsession (2026): would you still love me if i was a cat with worms · Chrishell

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Krishell.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Hannah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're welcome. We're back this week with a full
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  Speaker 1: Krishelle about the movie Obsession that just came out in
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  Speaker 1: theaters that we're obsessed with at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Of this recording.
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  Speaker 1: It just came out, but we have something special planned
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  Speaker 1: for a little later on in the episode.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to So you know, I have friends
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  Speaker 3: in every place, right sure, And I have a friend
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  Speaker 3: that goes way way back from middle school, high school
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  Speaker 3: and she worked on this film. I spoke to her
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  Speaker 3: about it for like twenty minutes. So there's an interview
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  Speaker 3: at the end of this episode, so if you stick around,
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  Speaker 3: you'll be able to hear what went in into the
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  Speaker 3: lighting on arguably the most scary scene in the movie
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  Speaker 3: that we'll discuss, but I will keep that secret until
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  Speaker 3: the end if you stick around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just note there is a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: spoiler in the interview.
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  Speaker 3: I think if you get to then, like to that
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  Speaker 3: point of the episode, you have already seen the movie,
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  Speaker 3: you should expect spoilers like it is intense. And thank
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  Speaker 3: you Kate for coming onto the show with us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we appreciate it so much. She also shared with
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  Speaker 2: us some bts.
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  Speaker 3: Which is arguably really funny seeing the movie out of context,
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  Speaker 3: where there are a bunch of men in like black
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  Speaker 3: hats that work on set and they're like smiling around
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  Speaker 3: like dead bodies and things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you want to see that, check it
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  Speaker 1: out on our Instagram at krishel the Pod. Follow us
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  Speaker 1: there and there's gonna be a little bit of the
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  Speaker 1: interview on there as well. So if you just want
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  Speaker 1: to read it instead of listening to.
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  Speaker 2: Us talk, you can do that. I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Obsession twenty twenty sixth movie directed by Curry Barker. Wait
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  Speaker 1: wait before we start.
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  Speaker 3: Were you familiar with his work before seeing this movie?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I have seen him a couple times on TikTok, and
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  Speaker 3: I really didn't realize he was such a mastermind. I
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  Speaker 3: was not expecting this. It felt very much like the
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  Speaker 3: Philipoe Brothers with Talk to Me and Bring Her Back.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I did know that he's doing the new
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  Speaker 1: Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yeah, so that's what I That's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the extent of what I knew about him, and
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  Speaker 1: that he was like a younger director. Yeah, but that's
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  Speaker 1: like the extent of my knowledge before this film.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's definitely grouped in with the Philipop Brothers. This
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  Speaker 3: like YouTuber comedic man turned horror director.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like Caine from back Rooms as well. Yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm really kind of into that, Like seeing all
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  Speaker 1: these kind of indie directors come up, like really passionate
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  Speaker 1: and making short form content or like longer form content
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube and then getting to make a future link
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  Speaker 1: film Like, that's awesome to see.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the thing that will cure the male loneliness epidemic
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  Speaker 3: is introducing these men into filmmaking, because a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these stories that these guys are following are rooted in
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  Speaker 3: you know, this nice guy persona that they talk about
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  Speaker 3: in the movies. Maybe that's the way that we could
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  Speaker 3: get men to start behaving.
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  Speaker 2: I mean maybe, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this movie to go like a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: into that, a little brief overview before we get into
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  Speaker 1: some more like spoilery things.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the safe part.
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  Speaker 1: We'll let you know when it's over if you want
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  Speaker 1: to go watch the movie and come back, which we
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  Speaker 1: highly recommend seeing it without spoilers.
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  Speaker 2: Was actually insane.
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  Speaker 1: M h. This was one of the rare films that
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I watched most of it through my hands. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because we were sitting next to each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were.
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  Speaker 3: I like to take notes when I watched the movies
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  Speaker 3: that we talk about on the podcast, and Hannah was
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  Speaker 3: like tapping me aggressively. I'm like, oh my god, I
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  Speaker 3: wonder what she's gonna write down. Her thought must be
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  Speaker 3: so well thought out, and she wrote down, dude, I'm
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  Speaker 3: so fucking scared right now in the book, and I was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was like I could tell you're like about to
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  Speaker 3: pee yourself in, like you She don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Why I was that scared, Like, I mean it was scary, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but like I was just so freaked out.
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  Speaker 3: I think I was expecting the movie to be good
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  Speaker 3: because I knew a friend worked on it obviously, but
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  Speaker 3: also I didn't expect it to be like consistently seen
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  Speaker 3: after scene.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to be petrified. Yeah, it was like
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  Speaker 1: we went to one hundred and then we never left,
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  Speaker 1: Like I put that yet on the pedal to the
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  Speaker 1: paddle and we never let up. No, genuinely incredible. If
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  Speaker 1: you watch the movie, like there is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: press that the like director and the stars are doing
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  Speaker 1: right now, which I think is awesome, And they're kind
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  Speaker 1: of talking about a lot of the lore that's in
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  Speaker 1: this universe, which I think is really interesting. And we
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  Speaker 1: can talk more about that after when we get to
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  Speaker 1: the spoilers, because a lot of it is discussing the ending.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, can before we start, can I ask you
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  Speaker 3: your opinion on this. I know the movie is shot
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  Speaker 3: in California, but it felt so delco. It felt very
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  Speaker 3: like South Jersey, Pa. Like I watched this movie and
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  Speaker 3: saw people I know from school in these actors.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because it starts in a dive bar, Well, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: start in a dive bart. It starts in like this
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  Speaker 1: kid's house and then he goes to a dive bar
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  Speaker 1: to do trivia with his friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It starts in a diner, which I think is very
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  Speaker 3: South Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Well, New Jersey is the diner capital of the world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it has like three hundred diners in the entire thing.
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  Speaker 3: At most it had six hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but to start in a diner, it was just
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  Speaker 1: giving me Jersey as well. Know if that's my own
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  Speaker 1: personal bias or not, but no, it definitely felt that.
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  Speaker 1: In the diner scene, we have our main character Bear
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  Speaker 1: and he's talking to this girl. She's not given a
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  Speaker 1: name in the moment, but he is addressing someone named
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  Speaker 1: NICKI MM, and he's trying to figure out a way
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  Speaker 1: to ask her out.
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  Speaker 2: He's running through it. His friend is there.
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  Speaker 3: He's like pouring his heart out to a next level,
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  Speaker 3: saying things like, you were always there for me. I
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  Speaker 3: really appreciate everything you've ever done for me, You've always listened.
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  Speaker 3: Watching it as a viewer, you're maybe this is me
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  Speaker 3: being a pessimist asshole, but I was like, these are
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  Speaker 3: kind of minute things that I guess you can like
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  Speaker 3: thank someone for listening, like to you for but I
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  Speaker 3: felt like they were very You should expect them from anyone,
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  Speaker 3: not just a very pretty girl that you're in love with.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we find out that this person that he's professing
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  Speaker 1: his love too in this scene isn't actually the girl
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  Speaker 1: that he's in love with.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit of.
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  Speaker 1: A bait and switch on me and his friend Ian
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  Speaker 1: is sitting behind him and critiquing his approach, which is
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  Speaker 1: valid because his approach is really weird.
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  Speaker 2: Wait.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, we find out that those woman that he's talking
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  Speaker 3: to is the waitress that works at the diner, and
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  Speaker 3: she gets up after Ian dismisses her. We find out
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  Speaker 3: that he was acting this whole time and trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure out how to actually ask out this girl.
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  Speaker 1: He likes Nicki. The way that they all know each other,
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  Speaker 1: like Ian, the main character, Bear, Nicki, and this other girl, Sarah,
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  Speaker 1: is that they all work together.
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  Speaker 2: They work for Sarah's dad. I believe who.
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  Speaker 3: Is Andy Richter?
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  Speaker 1: The actor? I loved seeing him. I was not expecting that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was a nice little like one of those horror
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  Speaker 1: cameos that they're just gonna like a throwaway. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: who's that guy in I SLA TV glow? Oh Fred Durst. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're welcome, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into the spoilery report of this section.
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  Speaker 1: After this, we kind of get to the main crux
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  Speaker 1: of the film is that Bear cannot really bring himself
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  Speaker 1: to tell Nicki how he feels, and instead relies on
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  Speaker 1: this little thing he gets called a one wish willow.
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  Speaker 1: He's not he doesn't really know it's gonna work in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, and he wishes that Nicki would love him
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  Speaker 1: more than anyone else in the entire world. And then
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  Speaker 1: he breaks it, and some weird things start to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Things seem to get weirder as the friend group notices
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  Speaker 3: that Nicki is head over heels for Baron and that
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  Speaker 3: the relationship just keeps getting more and more and more
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  Speaker 3: intimate despite them only being together for an unknown amount
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  Speaker 3: of days. But it seems like rather like a week
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  Speaker 3: or two, not even.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just gets like exponentially like gushy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Nicki finds herself moving into Baron's house without asking,
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  Speaker 3: and she definitely leaves an imprint on his home by
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  Speaker 3: constantly staying there even when he's at work or when
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  Speaker 3: he goes to parties or when he goes out.
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  Speaker 2: Well when he doesn't go to parties.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, that is the least spoilery overview that
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  Speaker 1: we can give you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that was the the plot, right.
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  Speaker 3: The front group is mad at him and them for
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  Speaker 3: being so head over heels. There's definitely suspicion as to
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  Speaker 3: what happened. There's rumors that Nikki is using drugs and
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  Speaker 3: that's why she's acting like this. No one realizes that
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  Speaker 3: she's actually under the spell of which Bear had wished
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  Speaker 3: upon her. Shall we jump into like more gritty details.
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  Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, like spoilery.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to like get too into what
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  Speaker 1: exactly happens. I want to talk about what we thought
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  Speaker 1: about it rather than like that. But this will involve
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  Speaker 1: things that do happen later on in the film. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously listen with caution. Please also note that this
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  Speaker 1: movie does have themes of self so if you're sensitive
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  Speaker 1: to that, maybe sit this one out. We are going
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  Speaker 1: to discuss it probably a little bit, so just listen
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  Speaker 1: with caution.
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  Speaker 3: There is also this undertone of what I would say
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  Speaker 3: as sexual assault or violence against women throughout the entire film,
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  Speaker 3: So if you're sensitive to that as well, I know
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  Speaker 3: that this is such a crazy matters, so I don't
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  Speaker 3: judge you for not listening. It is a pretty heavy movie,
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  Speaker 3: and it did take a lot for even me to
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  Speaker 3: go into the theater kind of knowing what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: It was worse than what I expected. Yeah, I definitely
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  Speaker 1: didn't expect a lot of the things that were darker
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  Speaker 1: than we saw.
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  Speaker 2: I did think it was.
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  Speaker 1: An incredible movie. I think they dealt with all of
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  Speaker 1: those kind of scenes really well. To get into the
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  Speaker 1: spoilery part of the movie, the thing that the one
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  Speaker 1: wish Willow does when Bear wishes upon it to cast
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  Speaker 1: this spell into Nikki is essentially as confirmed by the
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  Speaker 1: director and the cast, that the real Nikki is kind
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  Speaker 1: of placed into the passenger seat, like she's kind of
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else, and Wish Niki is born and she kind
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  Speaker 1: of starts off as like a baby, which I thought
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  Speaker 1: was another kind of like gross detail.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like in the when he first like wishes,
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  Speaker 1: they have really awkward interactions that like real Nicky would
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  Speaker 1: never have with him, So you can see it's like
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  Speaker 1: the wish Nikki coming out and like learning what is
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  Speaker 1: happening in this world for the first time, like she
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  Speaker 1: almost doesn't understand it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, real Niki is definitely a very kind woman. We
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  Speaker 3: see her giving money to a homeless person outside the
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  Speaker 3: bar they were at, and she's definitely a good friend.
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  Speaker 3: But also she is a bit laid back. She's not
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to discover like a word that would describe her.
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  Speaker 1: She's very keuth.
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  Speaker 3: They like manic pixie dream she is manic Pixie dream girl.
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  Speaker 1: That's absolutely what she is.
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  Speaker 3: And then when she's under the spell, she becomes a
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  Speaker 3: very coquette, very perfect like TikTok girlfriend, I would say, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking about this with you, not to cut
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  Speaker 2: you off. No, it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: If you've seen the movie Companion with Sophie Thatcher and
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  Speaker 1: Jack Quaid, I think it came out last summer, it's similar,
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  Speaker 1: but not that similar. Where the kind of crux of
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  Speaker 1: that movie is that Sophie Thatcher's character Iris is basically
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  Speaker 1: a robot that Jack Quaid had made to be his girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: to have sex with her, to bring her around, to
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  Speaker 1: show her off. And when she's under she comes out
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  Speaker 1: of her like mind control kind of thing later in
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  Speaker 1: the film, but when she's under that mind control, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of giving me the same vibe as like Nikki
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  Speaker 1: and this where she's also like very coquette, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: a very like if you were trying to make a
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  Speaker 1: character and it was like, okay, like this is what
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  Speaker 1: a teenage boy right now would want in a girlfriend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like a girl without any agency, without like any goals
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  Speaker 1: of her own, Like that's what wish Nikki and what
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  Speaker 1: like Iris and Companion is. So what leads Bear to
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  Speaker 1: making the wish is that he offers to drive Nikki
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  Speaker 1: home from trivia night and it's Ian, his best friend,
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  Speaker 1: their other coworker, Sarah, who Bear thinks that Ian is
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  Speaker 1: trying to like get with Yeah, and then.
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  Speaker 3: You kind of do see the scene of the four
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  Speaker 3: people at the table and it seems like Ian and
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  Speaker 3: Sarah are dating or flirting. I feel like she like
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  Speaker 3: hits some or is like and I did want to
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  Speaker 3: note something in the scene where you like see all of.
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  Speaker 2: The characters interact.
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  Speaker 1: Bear's cat dies and that's like one of the first
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  Speaker 1: things that happens to him personally in the movie. His
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  Speaker 1: cat overdose is on codone and dies and he finds
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  Speaker 1: the cat. The only person who he tells what happens
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  Speaker 1: to the cat is Sarah, and he goes on to
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  Speaker 1: preach about how Nicki is like the only person he
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  Speaker 1: could talk to, but clearly like he couldn't even tell
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  Speaker 1: her about the cat. But when he sees Sarah, the
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  Speaker 1: first thing he does is just say like she.
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  Speaker 3: Died, and she hugs him, she consoles him properly. It
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  Speaker 3: isn't this all which I kind of believe you would
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  Speaker 3: have gotten from Nicki.
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  Speaker 1: I think she does do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy, She's like all Bear, Yeah, And then
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  Speaker 3: like Sarah is throwing herself not throwing, but like she
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  Speaker 3: hugs him.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, please let me know if
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  Speaker 1: we need to talk. Yeah, she's being like a good friend,
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  Speaker 1: like a genuine friend, something you would want to be around.
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  Speaker 1: Not saying Nicki's not someone you'd want to be around,
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  Speaker 1: but she's like bouncing around like the bar, like doing whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then she goes outside and she goes to give
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  Speaker 1: the homeless man money, Like we kind of see that overall,
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  Speaker 1: Nicki is a genuinely person. I think like each of
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  Speaker 1: the women in this film are portrayed in an incredibly
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  Speaker 1: positive light, which is like the case mostly Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: would say with women, and we kind of go out
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  Speaker 1: of our way to emphasize how bad that Bear and
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  Speaker 1: Ian are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think My woke feminist take of the
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  Speaker 3: week is that do we really need to see Nikki
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  Speaker 3: giving money to a homeless man to assume that she's good?
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  Speaker 3: If we like, no, No, Like if we went the
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  Speaker 3: whole movie and thought, oh, this girl experimented with drugs,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: would that make me think that she's an awful person? No,
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  Speaker 3: Definitely an interesting idea to make sure you noticed her
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  Speaker 3: giving money to a homeless person.
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  Speaker 1: Like she is genuinely a good person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like, was that necessary I did that today?
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's like to imply that if it
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  Speaker 1: came down to it, if he did tell her that
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  Speaker 1: he had a crush on her, went badly, Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she would let it be off out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But once Bear takes her home, they're having this conversation
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  Speaker 1: about because she's a writer, Nicki's a writer, and they
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  Speaker 1: go out of their way to make the point that
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  Speaker 1: Nicki knows the difference between romance and a love story, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which becomes more important later in the film once she
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  Speaker 1: no longer has agency.
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  Speaker 3: So we got to Nicki's house, she gets out of
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  Speaker 3: the car. There's obviously some awkward tension. Bear had said
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  Speaker 3: that he had gotten her a gift, and she gets
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  Speaker 3: out of the car before receiving sad gift. He then
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  Speaker 3: he calls her name. He says he calls her a
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  Speaker 3: nickname that she does not like.
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  Speaker 1: Before Nicki gets out of the car, she asks Bear
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  Speaker 1: straight up if he likes their friend Sarah, and he
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: kind of panics internally because like he's like, oh, fuck, well,
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  Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Like she thinks I
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  Speaker 1: like her? Like whatever, and then he calls her freak
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  Speaker 1: nicky that name to try to I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: nag her. Yeah, it was because Ian had suggested it, yes,
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning, because you know, obviously men do think
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  Speaker 1: bullying women is a form of flirting. Nikki gets out
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  Speaker 1: of the car, she goes inside or she like, she
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  Speaker 1: turns around, and I think it like clicks for her
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  Speaker 1: that like, oh, he's he likes me, Like that's the case,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: and she comes back to ask him that and she's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: like last chance, this is the only chance you'll have
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  Speaker 1: to say this. And in that that's when I kind
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  Speaker 1: of thought like maybe she did have a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a thing for him. Oh you felt opposite. Yeah,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think she likes him at all.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I think she's kind of like annoyed that he is
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: her coworker because she can tell that he likes her.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: The way I interpreted it was like this girl. The
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: reason why I thought freaking Nikki was like a sexual
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: innuendo was because she has had this line of men
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: having a crush on her and she was just sad
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: that another friend she thought she had like actually did
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: have a crush on her.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: That was just what I digested it as I kind
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of took it as like she's trying to help her
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: friend out. Like I think, like again, we're seeing like
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: she is set up to be this like selfless person,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: like she would put that aside to ask a boy
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that her friend likes, like if he liked her first,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: even however she felt about him. And I think like
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: maybe in that moment it was like her being like
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: all right, like if he tells me yes, then like
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would have started dating immediately, like
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: maybe like something would have happened, but like at a
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: normal pace.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I'm also remembering now that the money that she gives
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: to the homeless man is cash that Sarah had, So
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: it's almost like in this experience that we see of
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: her being selfless, it is still driven by Sarah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an important like note, because like
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Sarah is like the only person that we see like
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: kind of worried about everybody.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: M M.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: She's very hue. Even though she's like trying to get
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: into colleges, like she's like applying to colleges and getting
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: rejected and rejected and rejected, She's still like going out
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of her way to check on Niki. Like, even after
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the wish is made, she's like trying to see what's
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: up with her. Yeah, because her friend isn't the same.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and these kids aren't high school age. I know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: you say Sarah's college.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they took a year off or two.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like she is just a bit older. They're at
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: a bar, and I don't think anything is like nefarious
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: or illegal.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I just think they Sarah said, they said something about
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: being nineteen at one point. Yeah, they're not nineteen now, Like, no.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: They're definitely older. He has his own place, presumably well
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: because his grandpa.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, her grandma died. So after that, that's when she
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: hits the fan. He makes the wish wish. Nicky is born,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: and she like tries to figure out the world according
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to what Bear wants. And when she does this, she
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: lies about her dad having cancer because she thinks it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: gonna garner sympathy from him. She kind of takes bits
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and pieces of what Nicky and Bear's conversations are and
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like kind of like uses them because she starts talking
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: about Bear's cat, and she uses the cat a couple
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: other times throughout the film to try to like connect
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: it with him uses it in more ways than one
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that we won't we don't need to discuss that. No, no,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: we have two cats in the room right now. As
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: we go on, it's just like, really, I won't lie.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Like I did really like the movie. I give you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: five stars, but it is a hard watch because you're
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: seeing this woman go through this terrible thing her everything
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is taken from her Legitimately.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think I'll ever watch this movie again. I
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: do think it was one of the best movies I've
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: seen this year.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Is I feel like he's definitely aware that she's not
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: really herself, like there's something going on.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, absolutely, especially the one scene that she does
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: flash in and out.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: She falls off the bed.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: There are multiple times that they're there are obvious red
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: flags that this girl is not her real self, and
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: he just either walks out the room, brushes it off,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: or goes back to bed, like he kind of just
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: doesn't give a fuck. He's kind of happy that he
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: just has NICKI.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: In general, Yeah, and it doesn't matter how many times
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like Ian calls or like Sarah calls to be like, hey,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: like something's up with her, Like like even if it
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: was like I feel like he kind of takes it
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: as a personal attack whenever they bring it up, because
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: he Yeah, he does use the same line like later
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in the film. He doesn't say this in the beginning,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: but he kind of frames they're like, oh, something's wrong
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: with NICKI. He kind of takes it as like, oh, like,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: what's so bad about being with me? He is necessary too,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: He's a very pitiful person.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which you know, I've never been in a place
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: like this where I have felt alone like this, But
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: oh my god, dude, you're like nineteen twenty twenty one
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Get on Tinder, no girl alone.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Literally get out of Delco like this fake Delko in
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: my brain and like, go find someone else. But I
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: also think that that is just part of the reasoning
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: behind the film. It is this nice guy looking to
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: manipulate and use women that are kind, that want to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: give him a nice time of day.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I think even like.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I don't like, I wouldn't say like fully that he's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: realizing he's doing it. Like I think he's just like, oh,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: like I want her to like me, Like, yeah, I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: think it is built this connection. Like I do think
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: he does think he's like owed it absolutely, but I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: don't think he's consciously like trying to be the manipulator
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in the situation until later in the film.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he is using his self pity to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: perpetuate this idea that he is deserving of this girl
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: because he is the one that made the wish.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: And I think like he hits this turning point in
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the film where correct me if I'm wrong in the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: chronological order of things, but he calls about the no.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: No, he calls later when things are getting scary.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he doesn't seek to change anything at any point.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And there's this one scene wheally have this huge like
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: blow up argument in a diner or like at dinner. Yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: it's a fancy dinner. He like kind of he's like, oh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like this is weird. Like it kind of like dawns
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: on him that it's weird and there's something going on
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: because he confronts her about lying about the brain cancer
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: or her dad's cancer.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And to add to that, this is also me going
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: on like again another sidetrack. I'm questioning if one of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: his relatives, maybe the grandma that gave him the house,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: had died from cancer because I'm thinking this use of
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: oxycodon in the beginning, and why someone would have that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I know, obviously this is set now they have iPhones.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I think it does say twenty twenty four in her
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: except and' letter. Oxy codon and oxy caught in they're
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: kind of the same thing. They're not the same realistically.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: If an old woman has prescribed oxy codon, I'm thinking
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: she had like a form of cancer herself or something.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I wonder if freaky Nikki possessed brain
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: knew that of him, knew that the cat had died
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: from that, and was using that against him in order
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: to garner his own empathy. Yeah, yeah, because he was
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: living through it too. Yeah. But in this dinner scene
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: that we have with Niki and Bear, once he comes
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: to her and says, oh, I know you're lying about
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: your father having cancer, she stands up and has a
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: freak out in front of the whole restaurant. She's going
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: off like, why are you doing this? Why are you
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: making dinner such a bad thing. I thought we were
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: having a good day. She's like screaming, getting attention from
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: the restaurant. And I interpreted this as the way there's
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: this infantilization of women nowadays, especially popular on social media,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: where these girls are like, oh, my boyfriend is my dad,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Like he cares for me, He does everything for me.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: He calms me down when I have freak outs, like
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: he lets me be a brat and goes on and
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: on and on. It felt very she is a toddler
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and Bear is the one that is the parent, Like
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: it is this ownership. It is this like excuse for
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: him to a correcting her. He's correcting her, and it
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: is this moment where he's able to punish her almost
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: like he's like, just sit down. Yeah, he's not listening.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: He kind of is catching on that things are bad,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: but he's not.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: He's ignoring it. He's willfully ignored.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, so he's enabling her to act like this. He's
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: not really looking to help her. Yeah, and he's allowing
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: this to go on and on. It is like I
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: just saw this the way I see it on social media,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: where these girls are like, oh my dad care Like
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: my boyfriend cares for me like a dad, which I
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: think is kind of gross, but to Nikki, like it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that's how she has to live now, like she doesn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: have any other choice.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like wish Nikki because she doesn't get anything.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Else, and you were saying, like she doesn't know anything else.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I almost don't think that wish Nikki is inherently evil.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I think the one thing that she needs to do
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: every single day is make sure that she loves Bear
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: more than anyone else in the world. So it might
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: be coming off as evil or as psycho or as freakish,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: but that's legitimately the one reason why she was like
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: quote unquote created. Yeah, she's putting this girl physically through
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: insane loops of like physical harm, but she's not doing
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: it intentionally. She's not looking to harm her. She's looking
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to make sure nothing gets in between her and Bear.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yea, and like that's the whole reason she exists. Yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it's exactly the thing that I did think was interesting though.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: That kind of adds to like the infantilization of wish Nikki,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: like being born and not like knowing a lot. Like
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: after the scene of the diner, it cuts to Bear
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: like assaulting Nikki, using her body and assaulting her, raping her,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and we see in this scene that it's actually it's
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: real Nikki. That's like in the body she can't do
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: anything but it's real Niki who is like living that experience.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So I feel like in that scene, we can see
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that like Okay, like wish Nikki ducked out of this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: because she doesn't know how to please him in this way.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That's how I like, she's just such she's something. She's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: this entity that has no agency that's just like coming
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: into the world that doesn't understand what's going on other
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: than she needs to make him happy, and like she's
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like okay, like I don't know what this is, like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: what he wants to do, so I'm going to like
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: put the other Nikki in the driver's seat. I think
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: is so awful as well, because she's like the only
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: thing she's allowed to have agency in is her own
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: assault is being raped.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I did not even think about that, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: that really does make perfect sense because why would this
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: entity that came from wherever know how to yeah know
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: about a heterosexual sex. Yeah, that would make sense. Why
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: when they're making out too, Nickki comes into fruition, Yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: because he's like moving as if they were to have sex.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I think like again, like it's just like the inexperience
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of it, like like not like sexual experience, but just
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like lived experience. Like yeah, wish Nikki is still operating
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: kind of like at a different level of like consciousness,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Like she's just like younger. She hasn't been exposed to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this yet because like the only thing she knows is him,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and like I think we also see that at the end,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: like she just wants him to love her.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: He doesn't.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: She doesn't ask him to like touch her, she doesn't
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: ask him to like m m do anything sexual with her.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: She just like wants him to love her. Like that's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. Like there's nothing else like that matters
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in that.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think there's no other sex scenes or no,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I guess that wasn't a sex scene, but depictions of
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: sex after.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: That, no, so spoiler. At the end, wish Nikki wishes
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Bear to love her more than anyone else and they
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: don't even kiss immediately. I don't think like when or no.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: They do can't wait, No, I don't know if you
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: picked up on this. I didn't realize it either. I
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: thought it was him going back and forth between this issue.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Apparently when she wishes for him to love her equally
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: when they go back and kiss, that's because he's on
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: to her spell.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Now, oh yeah, because like if she had to wish,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: he never really loved her in the first place, you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be wish nikki though, right.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of wishes. A lot of nikkis a.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Lot of wishes.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: It also.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Like, what would you wish for if you had a
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: one wish? Wellow, what would you be wishing for?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I don't really know if I would use it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: No, I I'm always been anti using Guiji boards, anti
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: trying to do anything of vi occult that I wasn't
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: mentally prepared for and knowing of how to handle. Absolutely
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: would not fucking purchase this.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Also, like I'm not I'm superstitious, Like you know, I'm
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: an incredibly superstitious person. Like I knock on wood all
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the time, like salt over my shoulder. And I've seen
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: people buying these because Bluehouse was selling them, and people
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: they'll like post like them breaking them and be like,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: oh I wish for them, and it's like that's I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: know it's not real, but like, oh my god, Like
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that's the point.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I dare I say, to the point of the movie
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: is like this woman is being literally a slave to
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: a man and then you're gonna be like, well I'm
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: gonna use my witch and which I had four million dollars.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Like, so I saw an interview where uh Curry Barker
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: was talking about like how you can like outsmart the wish,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Like obviously I really wish for like world peace or
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: something or like end world hunger. But we were talking
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: about this in the car the other day, like you
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: have to be incredibly careful of how you hurd it
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and like what exactly you're wishing for, because like even
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: ending world hunger, that might mean you're just ending hunger
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: as a concept, and like people are just gonna starve
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to death because they don't know what hunger is anymore.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And like I'm hoping world peace wouldn't be like that,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: No one person can have unlimited power like this and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: like have it not turn out kind of a little weird, Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: there would be some consequence.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Well, especially at the end. Major spoiler, but when Bear dies,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Ian is dead, Sarah is dead, Nicky wakes up, wish
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Nikki is no longer because in order for her spell
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: to break, Bear has to literally die because he was
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: the one who wished for it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Well, what I thought was gonna happen. Actually was kind
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of like a fear Street thing where like he tries
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to stop his heart.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought that too. I really could think that
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: not the case. I thought he was gonna odi and
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: then wish Niki was going to resuscitate him, and then yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: everything was fine again. But then she shot Ian in
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: the face, and I was like, oh, I know nothing
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: is gonna go back to normal.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Because Ian wished for a billion dollars or something. Because eventually,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: like Bear goes to get him to try to undo
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the wish, and we do. He does ask the shopkeeper
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: of like where he got the wish initial like for help,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: like if he'll wish for him, but like the shopkeeper says,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: like he already made his wish, so he can't make
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a second one. So like, I guess we can assume that,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: like nothing really terrible happened with that.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I know, I wonder what his wish was in order
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: to keep this store alive.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Up.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: No, He's like, can I have my store be cute
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: as hell?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: That would literally be your wish store right here.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I want my apartment to be so cute, and then
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I break it and then nothing changed.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: And then nothing changed, but Ricky's gone and he's polka
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: dotting the ceiling in your bathroom for like ten hours.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I do think, like it is really fucked up that
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Curry Barker. Of course, there would be no other ending
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: but that he has real Nikki have to wake up
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: and almost relive through these horrors by realizing what she
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: has done.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Well, he did confirm that, like she goes to jail.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Which is so fucked up, Like I mean, she didn't
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: do any of this and they're gonna blame it on MTMA.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of the like Ready or Not fallacy,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like Ready if you listen to her episode and Ready
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: or Not one and two, it was my colonel, my
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: first colonel. But in the beginning of Ready or Not two,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with how the first one ends,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: her entire in law family spontaneously combusts and she gets arrested,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like almost instantaneously. I'm not saying that no one questions
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: going to come up with that conclusion quick enough and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: get all the lawns and stuff quick enough to like
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: do that, But.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Well, how about you explode someone like legitimately a house.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Burnt down, so they were just like, oh, you.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Caused a fire, but like she's all bloody in a
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: wedding guest anyway.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean Nikki's all bloody holding at least
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: one body. Yeah, I went prints her everywhere.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I wonder if there's enough witnesses at the party to
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: be like, yeah, she didn't seem like she was in
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: her mental wellness.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I feel like that wouldn't help her.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd definitely be like, oh, so you actually were
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: doing at that point.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I would also want to kill myself.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: So girl. Yeah, I just feel so bad that, like
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: she suffers all the consequences for everything that Bear did.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Like yes, not just as wish Nikki, but as real
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Nikki too. Like she's the one that's gonna have to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: atone for the fact that Barr did this thing to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: her that made her kill her closest friends.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: My biggest takeaway from this film, I think, is the
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: response that I saw online afterwards. I don't know, Hannah
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: if you've been seeing.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: This, but my entire Twitter has been obsession.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Also, I haven't slept well in like three days because like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: at night, I sleep with the door open so the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: cats can get in and out. And I just kept
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: waking up thinking that Nikki was in the doorway.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: The one scene of her crying in the corner where
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: she's like collect to sleep and then she's like weeping.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: That has stayed with me.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: And the back like the walking backwards weird lamb movie.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: She just did that, Like that wasn't an effect.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I think they like speed changed the speed a little bit,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't anything like in CGI or whatever. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: do want to say, uh, Indy never read. The girl
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that plays Nikki phenomenal girl, so incredibly good. She's only
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: she was in like Superman and Lois before this if
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you know that show, No, but this is her first
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: like big movie acting role and she's good, like killed it.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: She carried the whole movam she really did.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I do think the guy that played Bear was also incredible. Yes,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: apparently he is a boy kisser, so happy Pride.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I love that for him.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Chrishelle Pride episodes coming up soon. Pride is so big
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: and then we have an a month so.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Well okay, yeah, But also do th like having the
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: guy that plays Bear like be clear is a very
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: nice addition to the story.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: And I just do think I've been seeing a lot
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: of response online, and I do question the state of
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: film literacy and looking at context clues.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Moments in this movie where I understand if you weren't
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: watching it. And I sent kinda a couple tiktoks that
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I saw where I questioned if people actually watch the
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: film and she said, the reason why people are missing
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: things is because they're on their phones while watching these movies.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: This movie, you absolutely should put away your cell phone.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I feel so grossed out that I have to say that,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: but this is absolutely a movie where if you don't
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: see something on the screen for one second, you're not
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: going to understand something later on. Yeah, there's this one
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: moment where, now that Sarah has been and propped up
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: in Bear's living room for him to see her nikki
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: scroll scrolls Sarah's tattoos all over her body, cuts off
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: her hair and puts it on her own in order
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: for Bear to think that she's also pretty, because she
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: presumes that Bear like Sarah. Yeah, I did see a
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: lot of people be like, well, why did she do that?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Guys, did you.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Watch the movie?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: There were a couple where I was like, oh my god,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: like we legitimately, it has to be illegal to go
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: on your phone in the movie theater because I'm getting
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: really concerned with the lack of like.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Focus. I don't know, this movie's so good.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: It really did deserve its flowers, and you should absolutely
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: give your full attention to it because it is worth
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: seeing every little thing. There's so many moments where even
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: if it's a little dark on screen, if you squint
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: and focus enough, you're gonna realize why that made it
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: into the final cut.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I think that like with any movie, but especially like
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: this movie. From what I noticed watching is that like Curry,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Barker and everybody who worked on this film put so
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: much of their own like art into it. Like the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: entire film is just beautiful start to finish. There's thought
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: put into every single piece of it. And I think
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that we're so lucky that we had the chance to discuss,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: or you had the chance to discuss.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I had the chance to discuss. I had the ability
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: to ask someone to come on the podcast. I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: that's the bigger, the bigger, and I felt very honored
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: that Kate, a friend of mine that I went way
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: back with, decided to come onto the podcast and talk
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: to us our favorite scene in the film, Our favorite Yes,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: a very notable scene in this film that I.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Totally didn't watch through my fingers.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: No, I was knew it was gonna happen, but then
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I did cower behind my hands. It is very notable.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: It takes place in a car, so if you watch
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: the movie you'll understand what we're talking about. To listeners,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know if everyone knows this. They had to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: take out a couple smashing shots to make sure that
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: the movie wasn't categorized as NC seventeen. Yeah, which now
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I'm christioning. How is that, I thought to be to
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: watch a rated R movie, you have to be eighteen?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Or is that to make sure you have an adult
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: you have to someone has to be over eighteen? Oh okay,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, what's the difference? But anyway, listen
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: to me and Kate talk about one of the best
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: scenes in the movie and how she helped light it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: She was a lighting technician on set for this film
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: and they did an amazing job. That is one of
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the scariest scenes.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: You can talk about that now if you won Oh my.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: God, wait, I'll talk about it in three two one.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks everyone for sticking around. For the end of the episode,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: I have a very special guest with me. If you
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: want to introduce yourself.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Hi, my name is Caitlin. And why do I have.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You on today?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Kate?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: What did we do for the film? All?
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Right? So I was a set lighting technician in more
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Layman's terms, I guess I was an electrician on the
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: film Obsession.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So what did you go to school for? Did you
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: go to school? Am I being arrogant.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Into Yeah, Yeah, I went to school.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: I actually I really didn't want to go to school,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: but I was studying to go to school to be
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: in the medical field. In high school, I was in
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: a biomedical program and I had been doing that. I
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: had my sight set on that, and I thought that
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: was kind of like the successful route that I kind
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: of needed to take. And then last minute, like junior year,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: right before I started sending out college applications, I decided
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: that filmmaking was my passion always has been, and so
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: I ended up going to film school. I only applied
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: to one school. It was called Columbia College, Hollywood as
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: you bought it out and it is now The building
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: itself is now storage units which is really a shame
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: because it was the first Panavision building that was ever
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: built in Los Angeles.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it was like a film school.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: It was like a trade kind of type of school,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: five hundred kids, and you had to kind of your
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: major was kind of like the area of production that
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: you wanted to go into. So I started out in
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: directing and then halfway through my education I switched into cinematography.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: So beautiful, Beautiful. This is a very intricately lit movie.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: It relies a lot on the atmosphere. There's a lot
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: of moments where it's the lighting is what really makes
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: the shot. How much thought goes into a shot where
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: it's like, I know in this film, Nikki is lit
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: differently in some aspects. She tends to be dark in
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: the face, almost covering her face. Like, how difficult was
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: it to produce shots like that?
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So the days that I was on it, like
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I was on kind of the biggest jump scare scene
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: in the film, and so we were working a majority
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: of the car stuff was shot with an LED wall
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: behind it. So in a lot of the scenes where
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: it looks like they're driving, they're really not driving. And
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: scenes like that specifically are really difficult to light. I
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: think a lot of people, you know, don't really understand
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: everything that goes into it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: It.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: You know, it might look like the dark scenes just
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: have one lighting unit, but in reality there's a bunch
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: of you know, not only lighting, but grip works so
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: like a set lighting technician, they set up the lights
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: and you know, angle them and everything, and then a
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: grip's job. These are both in the lighting department as
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: a whole. A grip kind of shapes the light, colors
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: the light, all of that. So you know, you work
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: together and there's a lot that goes into it. So
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: on the darker shots, you know, a lot of people
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: might be like, oh, it looks like there's maybe one
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: light if anything, but in reality, there was a lot
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: that goes in it to get the exposure of the
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: shot correct alone, because if you have no lights, it's
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: gonna be you know, really grainy, the camera can't reach anything.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: But the car scenes that I was kind of working
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: on for the most of the film, those are are
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: pretty difficult to shoot because obviously when you're driving, you're
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: going through a lot of different different types of lighting. Right,
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: you have like your street lights and then you have
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: your lights kind of coming from houses, other cars and
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: all of that. So car scenes are really fun to
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: shoot because there's a lot of behind the scenes action.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Usually you'll have you know, a grip or somebody on
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: the car itself, like pushing the car up and down
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: so it looks like it's driving and go aholder bumps.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: You'll have somebody you know, on a very tungsten colored
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: lighting unit kind of panning the light past the car
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: over and over again so it looks like the street
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: lights are going past. So there's a lot that goes
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: into just car scenes alone, and a lot that goes
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: into you know, scenes where it might not look like
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: there's very much going on in terms of lighting.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: So you're saying, car scene, Is this the car scene
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: that I'm thinking of?
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of feeling I feel like that's very
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: your vibe. That was terrifying seeing that in theaters. I
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: think I did yelp a little, like it wasn't a scream,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: it was like a cry for help.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was beautiful.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: I was kind of not like disappointed. I mean, the
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: whole film was great. It was my first time seeing
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: it all together was in theaters, but obviously knowing kind
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: of you know, what to expect in that scene alone,
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: I was just kind of like, ah, but it was
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: just incredible to see how it all you know, got
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: cut together and all of that, because obviously, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: when we're on set, we're watching it through a tiny
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: little monitor and we're not seeing it sequentially how it's
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: supposed to go. So it was still surprising and that
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: was a really cool part of the film to be
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: a part of.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: So, so all of that was produced in camera and
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: nothing was like CGI. Did you notice a difference in
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: the final cut where you were like, oh, we didn't
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: really shoot it that way.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: No, So what I love about indie films, and you know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: because this was I think made for less than a
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: mill I know that, but it was like, you kind
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: of have to get creative, and it's a lot of
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: the times it's more expensive to do things you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: CGI and and special effects and everything, but doing it
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: it was all in camera, all of it. Wow, And
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: so it was really really cool. Everybody kind of had
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: to get creative. And honestly, you know, looking at it
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: in theaters, I was like, oh my gosh, I have like,
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: you know, behind the scenes footage that looks just like that,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: and so that was really cool.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everything in the film was done in camera.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: We had a crazy and incredible special effects and makeup
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: team that you know, helped put all of that together.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: So especially working on that scene you're mentioning special effects,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: this is an incredibly graphic scene. Were you ever actually
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: like scared on set? I feel like I couldn't even
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: approach a film set like that where I would know
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: spoiler alert, like a girl gets her face like completely
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: bashed off, Like was not darring to see it like
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: in person happening.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: Honestly, it wasn't as scary, I guess in person, because
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: you know, the sound design alone on this film was incredible,
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: and when you're in person, obviously it's quiet on set,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: so nobody's really talking, and you know, working behind the scenes,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: it's obviously a lot brighter in the room than it
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: is on camera, and you know you see kind.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Of everybody just hanging out, you know.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: I think like during that scene, I was honestly probably
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: like sitting in the back eating doritos, like, you know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: just kind of watching it on the monitor because you know,
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: it's just another day really.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: But it was definitely really fun to kind of watch.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: And at the end, you know, when the director yelled cut,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: everybody was like whoa, Like that was so cool, Like
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: it worked perfectly, and they actually they had to cut
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: it down like a couple of bash I guess, in
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: order to get the rating that they got.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: So in reality, it went on for a.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: Really long time, and I think, you know a lot
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: of us were kind of trying to hold in our
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: laughter because we're like, it's you know, you hear the
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: car horn wasn't honking, and like, you know, it was
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: a dummy obviously, so everyone was just kind of like ooh,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: but you know, it was good vibes all around, I
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: would say on this set, and yeah, to watch.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: And you're mentioning laughter. I feel like that was something
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I really didn't expect from seeing this movie, kind of
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: unrelated to the lighting and I know what you did,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: but there were multiple times where I know, me and
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: the audience were giggling. And it wasn't because of why
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: the movie was producer like how it was, but it
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: was the manner of which we were being like shown.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I think I did like laugh quietly because I was
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: petrified watching this scene. But it is a little bit
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: more relieving to know that none of the set, like
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: the crew, was also going through like the mental effects
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I was going through watching this, watching a girl lose
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: her face. That was absolutely crazy. But I know the
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: actress Indy who plays Nicky, she said they only had
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: a few takes for that, just to make sure that
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming the car wasn't fucked up or the blood everywhere.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Did you also feel like this intense I don't know,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: like anxiety to make sure that the lighting was mailed
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the first time?
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we do.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: You know, when lighting seems like this, especially where you
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: do only get you know, one to three takes, obviously,
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: the pressure is really high to make sure everything looks good.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: So what we'll usually do is, you know, you'll have
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: somebody stand in, and usually whoever's standing in, you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: I tended to be a stand in quite a lot
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: because you know, I feel like I'm an average height
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: and I was usually the only girl in the lighting team,
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: So whenever there was a girl in the scene, I
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: would usually stand in and essentially you just like sit there,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: you know, cameras where it needs to be, and you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: you kind of slowly walk through all of the movements
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: to make sure the lighting looks perfect. But yeah, I
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: mean stuff like that is the tension on set is.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: Usually really high.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: I directed a short film a little while ago, and
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: we had a scene where one of the character's heads
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: gets like ripped off of their body.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: So that was my first time working with.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: You know, special effects, and I was really nervous. Everyone
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: was really nervous. And you know, we had two dummies
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: I believe for it, and so we had to like
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: tries essentially, and the first one was an epic fail,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: and then you know, everyone was like do we even
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: want to try the next take? Like is this gonna work?
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: Is our whole film gonna fall apart? And then the
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: next take ended up being like you it was crazy.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: You would have thought it was like visual effects, but
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: it was all in camera. And when things like that
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: happen kind of it's a huge.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Relief on everybody. And yeah, but in terms of like
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: the lighting and making sure that the lighting is.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: Correct, there's a lot of you know, kind of time
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: before the actual you know, talent flies in and all
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: of that, where you're you're nitpicking everything and making sure
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: that everything is perfect so that when you know, the
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: actors get there, all they do is, you know, they
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: do a run through maybe once or twice, and then
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: camera's role in its go time, and at that point
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: all you can kind of do is like cross your
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: fingers and hope for the best.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: So what does a team look like this of this enormity,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Like I'm assuming obviously there's a lot of work that
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: goes into this, but how many of you were on
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: set working behind the scenes to do the lighting.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: I believe it was though. There was Chris oh who
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: is our gaffer.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: He's a really great friend of mine, and then there
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: was Bisher who was the board hop. And then you know,
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: you have your key grip and your gaffer, and then
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: under your key grip and gaffer you usually have about
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: three to four grips and then three to four set
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: lighting technicians or like electricians. And I mean that's like
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: if you're lucky. I think a lot of people, you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: who are kind of new to the filmmaking world and
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: maybe making a film, they underestimate how much manpower is
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: actually needed behind.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: A lot of the lighting department.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: But you know, fortunately Crey Barker has been making stuff
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: for a while, and so we had a really solid
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: lighting team, and yeah, there's you know, there's a lot
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: of people in the credits under set lighting technician and grips.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: But that's because you know, you're shooting over a prolonged
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: period of time. Not everyone's going to be available for
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: every day, you know. So me, for example, I was
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: on it for I think maybe three to four days
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: of the whole thing.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: And yeah, so you know a lot of people go
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: into it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: But in terms of other departments, you know, you have
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: so many different areas of expertise, and I think the
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: crew was maybe around twenty five to thirty if I'm correct,
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: like per day. You know, you always kind of had
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: you have like your key departments who are there every
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: single day, and then you kind of have you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: the people who are like day players and they'll come
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: on for a couple of days and then you know
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: kind of less not less instrumental. Everyone's instrumental to a film,
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: I guess, but you know, people who are in charge
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: of like the whole entire kind of story of the
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: film and and very instrumental in that aspect are there
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: every day. But yeah, I mean big crew, uh, and
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: it you know, it depends on the kind of caliber
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: of what kind of film you're on. I've been on
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: sets that have maybe ten people. I've been on sets
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: to have maybe, you know, forty to fifty people, So
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: it takes an army.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so definitely, but it does pay off. I mean, yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: that the work, especially for this film. I was incredibly
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: impressed with what I was seeing. I knew that the
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: the budget wasn't as high as other films that we've
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: seen this year, but incredibly impressed. And I loved knowing
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: that you did the car scene. That's really crazy. I'm
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: going to like boast about it to.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: Hanno when I said later, I'm going to send you
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: behind her and stuff, so you see, because we're allowed
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: to release it now.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: So oh so cute, so cute, amazing, Yeah, awesome. So
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: what's next for you? Are you on any other films
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: or are we taking break?
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: What's up? Yeah?
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: So in the past year, I've actually kind of transitioned
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: out of filmmaking. So this was made in twenty twenty
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: four and it was one of the last kind of
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: bigger projects that I worked on. You know, my film
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: career was incredible. I did more than I ever set
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: out to. But it's it's a tough industry, and especially
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: with you know, everything coming up, like a lot of
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: kudos to the people who are you know, pushing through
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: because with you know, the rise of AI and and
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: all that, it's a difficult industry to pursue. But I mean,
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: you know, it's an incredible industry and you do a
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: lot of really cool stuff and I don't think that
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: you know, AI is ever going to replace what what
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: people and a crew can do ever. So yeah, because
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: filmmaking is you know, freelance, it's a pretty tough industry
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: because you never know kind of when your next job
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: is and there's a lot of uncertainty. And I'm the
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: type of person where I need routine and stability. So
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: I transition from filmmaking into marketing. So now I do
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: more you know, graphic design stuff and all of that.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: But I do have a screenplay kind of always in
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: the back of my mind.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: I started writing it. I have two episodes down. It's
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: gonna be a television series, and I'll be chipping away
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: at it.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: I think that you know, as much as I, as
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: much as I wanted to find something that you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: is still creatively fulfilling in a nine to five.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: There are some projects that I've had in my mind for.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: A while that I don't think that I'll be able
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: to go to rest without ever making.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: So yeah, who knows. I guess it's kind of open
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: ended right now.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: That's great. Thank you so much for meeting with us today.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: That was really kind that you gone on camera with us.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I really thank you.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: So much for having me. Yeah, I'm so excited to listen.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you. Well, that was a wonderful interview.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks, thank you to Anna, and thank you
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: to Kate.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: We're coming on the pod. We love getting to highlight
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: people who put their blood splat in tears into the
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: things that we consume. I think it's really beautiful that
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: we got to hear about her experience and like everything
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: that went into just one scene of this film. Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, If you want to see more from Krashelle, you
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: can find us on Instagram and TikTok at Krishall the Pod.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: You can find us on Patreon also at Krishal the Pod.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can come back next week and here Hannah.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Talk about another scary movie.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Did you pick it out yet? Yeah? It's bring her Back. Oh,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I talked about it with Emma. Oh I, this happens
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: as a free recording. We're actually prepared. Well, I'm gonna
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: go get ice cream. Yeah, we're gonna go get ice cream.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: By your show. I love you.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I don't wish for anything you don't want to happen.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I wish to go to Rita's for ice cream, and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I wish she pays.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah,