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Rustic Gods EP. 8: Demeter & Haloa, the Greek Midwinter Festival · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen? What?
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  Speaker 1: What is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody? Good evening and welcome to the Occult Rejects another
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  Speaker 2: episode of Rustic Gods. We are your host. It is
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  Speaker 2: I the Mississippi Mystic himself, host of the Gray Pill podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Jules and I am joined by the faro Oh Pegan,
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  Speaker 2: the Hellenic Schizo. Poster post of Headless's mail bag, Alchemy,
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  Speaker 2: Mondays and many other things. Uh, Headless Giant, everybody, thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thank you podcast?
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Brother?
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  Speaker 2: You have a good new year, have a good uh and.
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  Speaker 3: Good calib good calends, that's what they called it Rome.
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  Speaker 3: They called this the calends, and that they depicted it
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  Speaker 3: by having Janus as the god of the calend. So
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  Speaker 3: January first is the Janis Day January with the mailbag
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  Speaker 3: today that was my symbol of the week.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Janis and I hate I missed that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, guys, I posted I was going to do
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  Speaker 2: two shows with Headless. I didn't see the eest behind
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  Speaker 2: seven thirty. Uh, so you know I missed that one
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  Speaker 2: missed out. But I'll make one. I'll make one one day,
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  Speaker 2: I swear anyway, Uh, yeah, no, man, I had a
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  Speaker 2: good time. I went to a couple parties, well went
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  Speaker 2: to didn't really do anything. Christmas Day at the house.
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  Speaker 1: And I had some family over. But it was you know,
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  Speaker 1: my kids got a bunch of shit. It was fun.
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  Speaker 2: I got everything that I needed, you know, new new
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  Speaker 2: boots for work, cologne, h a cool Viking warhorn, some
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  Speaker 2: other stuff. You know, this this cool uh math manhat
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  Speaker 2: from my nephew. See yeah, and uh I fell on
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  Speaker 2: the ground, but yeah, no I had you know, a
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  Speaker 2: daughter got a Barbie Dream House. Son got a damn
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  Speaker 2: stereo system for his room, and uh a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: other stuff. He got an electric bike this year for
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  Speaker 2: his birthday. So he's he's he's been getting a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of good gifts this year. My daughter, her birthday is
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  Speaker 2: Christmas Eve, Chrimas Eve, so uh, you know, that's a
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  Speaker 2: busy time for me, back to back, and I gotta,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you gotta make it special to where she
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  Speaker 2: knows that her birthday is not just part of this holiday,
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  Speaker 2: right right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Not a lot of ways you could say that, though,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, always the president, president's ended up getting combined.
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  Speaker 2: Well absolutely, well that's what you know, we got her
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  Speaker 2: the Barbie dream House and then shouts out, my brother
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  Speaker 2: in law got her a Ford Bronco pink Ford Bronco
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  Speaker 2: headlights on it, a Bluetooth radio in it, dude, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And then she got a tumbling matt and rail and
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  Speaker 2: stuff and uh oh yeah, my son got like one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars cologne. He has a girlfriend, so
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  Speaker 2: he's trying to impress her.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they went on a date, first date the other day.
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  Speaker 1: First date. Yeah, man, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's cute. It's cute. It's funny to
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  Speaker 2: look at and be like, wow, dude, that's my.
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  Speaker 1: Kid growing up so quick.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Howard.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, man, guys. It's good to see all. Happy
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  Speaker 2: New Year, and uh, good evening, good evening. This is
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  Speaker 2: Rustic Gods. If you haven't seen the show before, me
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  Speaker 2: and Headless come together to discuss the Rustic Greek gods.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 3: We're coming away I think a little bit tonight because
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  Speaker 3: normally we're talking about what was worshiped out in the fields.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, we're talking about what's going on in the cities.
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  Speaker 3: So this is really the linkage between you know, the
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  Speaker 3: rustic they're really really old, the really agent, versus the
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  Speaker 3: more modern, the more metropolitan, but also very agent. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they came through a lot of the other stuff. So
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  Speaker 3: we'll see that again with the meter tonight. There's so
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  Speaker 3: many syncretisms with the meter that go way way back
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  Speaker 3: into history. That is very important to understand all of
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  Speaker 3: the formation of you know, the plants and how that
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  Speaker 3: relates to the different seasons. And we can start here.
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  Speaker 3: So Helloa. Actually, if we want to start on Helloa, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, do you have something else you're gonna bring up
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  Speaker 2: for that or it's just talking.
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  Speaker 3: About just get on the Wikipedia, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So here, I got you, I got your faded
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  Speaker 2: don't worry, just keep talking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So Helloa is the Greek festival for the wintertime, right,
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  Speaker 3: and so this is the attic festival principally celebrated in Eleusis.
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  Speaker 3: Eleusis is very important. This is Demeters holiday at Eleusis, right,
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  Speaker 3: So if you're talking about holy festivals for the Greeks,
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  Speaker 3: this would be the one that everybody would be interested in.
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  Speaker 3: This is the mother of.
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  Speaker 1: What's your name?
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  Speaker 3: The one that's underground.
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  Speaker 1: What's your name?
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  Speaker 3: Ah, Psephone, thank you so much? Yeah, Persephone and Hades.
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  Speaker 3: And she cursed the world when her daughter was kidnapped,
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  Speaker 3: but then brought every blooming thing back after words. So
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  Speaker 3: this is yeah, this is her cycle goes along with
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  Speaker 3: the cycle of winter.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see here. Helloa or Alawa was an Attic festival
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  Speaker 3: principally celebrated Atalyssis in honor of Demeter, protector of the fruits.
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  Speaker 1: Of the earth.
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  Speaker 2: Attic Does that mean addis? Like, does that have anything
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  Speaker 2: to do with addis.
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  Speaker 3: Is a type of Greek dialect? Okay, cool, so attic
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  Speaker 3: and also addis would probably go along with that same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Addas worship was present in Greece as well as Kibali.
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  Speaker 1: Worships, right right, Okay, So.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see the god of the seashore Poseidon, and yes, Dionysus,
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  Speaker 3: the god of the grape, Poseidon, the god of the seashore.
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  Speaker 3: So we've got Demeter, Dionysus, Poseidon. That would be the
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  Speaker 3: holy Trinity for their winter festival. So the god of
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  Speaker 3: the seashore and vegetation in Greek, the word Hellos, which
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  Speaker 3: comes which Helloa derives from means threshing floor or garden.
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  Speaker 3: While the general consensus is that it was a festival
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  Speaker 3: related to threshing, the process of loosening the edible part
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  Speaker 3: of the cereal grain after harvest, some scholars disagree that
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  Speaker 3: it was instead a gardening festival. Helloa focuses mainly on
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  Speaker 3: the first fruits of the harvest, partly as grateful acknowledgment
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  Speaker 3: for the benefits of the husband received, partly as prayer
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  Speaker 3: in the next harvest would be plentiful. The festival was
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  Speaker 3: also called Felicia or seeing Sinchomestria Sinkomestria.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Helloa took place every year during the month Poseidon, which
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  Speaker 3: is right on this festival. It's from the fifteenth of
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  Speaker 3: December to the fifteenth of January roughly, and so this
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  Speaker 3: festival would take place right smack dab in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of Poseidon the month, and that would be right around
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  Speaker 3: this time we're talking about the Christmas festivals. This is
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  Speaker 3: their midwinter festival. So the festival took place around the
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  Speaker 3: threshing floor at the same time. Throughout Attica, all women
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  Speaker 3: were expected to attend the event, but men were almost
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  Speaker 3: always excluded.
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  Speaker 1: Men had a.
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  Speaker 3: Legal and moral expectation to pay for their wives' expenses
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  Speaker 3: during these festivals. The strange timing of the Harvest festival
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  Speaker 3: midwinter is significant as well. The Greek trevard regarded the
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  Speaker 3: festival as sacred not only to Demeter but also to Dionysus.
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  Speaker 3: With the inclusion of Dionysus in the festival worship, the
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  Speaker 3: date shifted towards winter as he possessed himself of the
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  Speaker 3: festivals of Demeter and took over the threshing floor, compelled
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  Speaker 3: the anomaly of a winter threshing festival. Right, So there
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  Speaker 3: is an a novel here. This is they call this
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  Speaker 3: the third Harvest, right, And so they're focusing on the
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  Speaker 3: first harvest, which is the time that the sun is rising. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So they're they're talking about when the sun is rising
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  Speaker 3: as the sun is dying, and so they're they're having this.
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  Speaker 1: Soul between right, Okay, Right, So the day shifted towards winter.
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  Speaker 3: In many ways, the festival was just as connected, if
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  Speaker 3: not more so, with Dionysus than Demeter. Thus we see
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  Speaker 3: the power and influence of the coming God and the
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  Speaker 3: importance of wine to the Greek cult activity. Practically, Greeks
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  Speaker 3: were able to coax out a harvest just early enough
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  Speaker 3: to revel with Dionysus.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So that's also uh, the dying and rising god being
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  Speaker 3: celebrated at midwinter, right, if you keep you tracked, guy
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  Speaker 3: who can transform water into wine, he's being celebrated at midwinter.
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  Speaker 1: Strange.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And someone was talking about the story of Persephone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's her going into the underworld and learning uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how to come back up and restore spring. Right, She's
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  Speaker 2: going into the womb and the mysteries or you know,
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  Speaker 2: into the cave so to say. Uh. It also there's
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  Speaker 2: many different allegories for it in metaphors. I think, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: you see the story in every culture. You see it it,
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  Speaker 2: Uh Sumeria as irishka gall is it a risk ga
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  Speaker 2: gall Innergall or maybe ish.
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  Speaker 3: Tar rushka gall Andrgall And that was for war. And
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  Speaker 3: so that's that's what Norgall represents, is the urge to
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  Speaker 3: go out there and to start murdering.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the first episode me and you ever did together,
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  Speaker 2: first watcast whatever over a year ago, we talked about
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  Speaker 2: he could call the similarities between her and Tannet and
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  Speaker 2: how it's the same entity. Right, Yeah, yeah, fascinating, but Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Despite being among the most documented of Greek festivals, very
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  Speaker 3: few records exist of what actually occurred during Helloa. Because
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  Speaker 3: it was predominantly, if not exclusively, a woman's festival, little
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  Speaker 3: information has survived or recorded at all about its characteristics
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  Speaker 3: and ritual. In fact, one of the most detailing sources
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  Speaker 3: of Helloa consists of marginal notes from the thirteenth century
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  Speaker 3: AD on the Roman writer Lucian's works. According to those notes,
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  Speaker 3: the women's ritual practices involved pits, snakes, pigs, and models
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  Speaker 3: of genitalia, all of which have a more or less
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  Speaker 3: marked sexual significance. So we got to go back up
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  Speaker 3: here to snake pits.
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  Speaker 2: I'm throwing bitches and snake pits. Here we go. This
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  Speaker 2: was on the thumbnail, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Here, so.
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  Speaker 2: You see the fallus. It's it's a uncircumcised fallus. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: it's back before the Jays took control of the market,
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  Speaker 2: right yeah, So there you go.
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  Speaker 3: This is this is part of the fertility of the earth.
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  Speaker 3: So as they are blessing these phalluses. Again, this is
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  Speaker 3: a sex cult, I mean all everything that involves the
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  Speaker 3: creation of the universe from sexual acts.
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  Speaker 1: It is considered a sex.
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  Speaker 3: Cult, right, So a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of a fertility cult.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's a fertility cult. So they say, since the
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  Speaker 3: universe comes through this act of procreation, also fertility and
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  Speaker 3: the way to harvest will come through this magic of fertility. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So the fertility magic was part of this community involvement.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you were talking about how I think it maybe
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  Speaker 2: been before the show Demeter was or you know, she
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like the female green man. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the green man is the masculine force in nature that
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  Speaker 2: is spreading his seed and seeding nature. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So right, and we're also talking about the death of
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  Speaker 3: the sun and the return of the sun. So if
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  Speaker 3: you're thinking about you know, sort of like for fertilizing
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  Speaker 3: the earth so that the sun return, that's a pretty
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  Speaker 3: you know, generous task I think. But that's also what
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about with the dying and rising of dionysis
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  Speaker 3: right during that same time period. Again, the sun being
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  Speaker 3: the the reverence point, you know. Yeah, it's all about
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  Speaker 3: the light. This is a festival of light, all of
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  Speaker 3: them are you know, all of the midwinter festivals are
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  Speaker 3: festivals of light. In the darkness. You're trying to bring
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  Speaker 3: back the light.
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  Speaker 2: So trying to bring truth out out of ignorance.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in some ways, but you know, it's it's basically
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  Speaker 3: just the physical light though. I mean, if if you
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  Speaker 3: think about all of these different midwinter winter festivals all
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  Speaker 3: across the world, they're always lighting things on fire and
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  Speaker 3: they're producing light of their own to sort of bring
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  Speaker 3: back light to the world because this is the longest
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  Speaker 3: night of the year, right, So I think I think
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  Speaker 3: there's something very very ancient. I think, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: people keep asking, well, what is it about, uh, you
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  Speaker 3: know Christmas that's pagan. Well it's it goes back so
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  Speaker 3: far before anything happens. You can almost say that the
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  Speaker 3: midwinter festival is genetic, right, you know, every every every
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  Speaker 3: culture around the world has their own midwinter festival. So
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  Speaker 3: like even even the question of is Christmas pagan, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of missing the mark entirely, which is how
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  Speaker 3: come every cult sure on the on the world has
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  Speaker 3: a festival light during midwinter that.
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  Speaker 2: Was celebrated hundreds, if not thousands of years before the
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  Speaker 2: existence of Christianity. And this is a problem with you
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  Speaker 2: see some a lot of cops online with people trying
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  Speaker 2: to say that, you know, the the egg came before
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  Speaker 2: the chicken, and I, like I told you that the
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  Speaker 2: only way that could happen if it's the primordial egg, right,
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  Speaker 2: the the orphic egg whatever, but either that or other
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  Speaker 2: than that. And chickens lay eggs, so not the other
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  Speaker 2: way around. Well, and then a chicken is born, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: not every time. Sometimes you eat the egg. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: just so you know, yeah, there's a that's that's all
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  Speaker 2: you've seen online really this holiday season is people arguing
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  Speaker 2: about that, and it's it's I don't really see an argument,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, right, kind of common sense. It's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, unless you believe the earth is two thousand
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  Speaker 2: years old, you know, or three whatever? Yeah, okay, even six? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: all right, I could go even further, you know, I I.
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  Speaker 3: It's these common themes that that seem to really attract
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  Speaker 3: how people, you know, divide up their own lives. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So the midwinter festival is a time for everybody to
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  Speaker 3: you know, relax and settle in and and you know,
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  Speaker 3: get get close with their family. It's not a time
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  Speaker 3: for working, you know. It's it's it's the same everywhere, right,
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  Speaker 3: because it's a similar climate and it's a similar spiritual
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  Speaker 3: presence during the winter time, Like, there is a certain
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  Speaker 3: type of spiritual presence that takes place during this time period,
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  Speaker 3: and unless you get the spirit of the season, you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna miss it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So there is a genius loci, I think so
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  Speaker 2: of the season exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Like you look at the all the most successful winter
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  Speaker 3: stories about the ghost of Christmas, past, president of future.
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  Speaker 3: That's very pagan, right you're talking about, yeah, very potent
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  Speaker 3: symbols of magic and memory, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, absolutely, man, absolutely, yeah. There was something I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was some guy he was on who he was
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  Speaker 2: talking to, trying to say that snow White was basically
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  Speaker 2: a Christian story, and I was like, wait, no, okay,
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  Speaker 2: go back, and I'm about to start reading the Germanic
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  Speaker 2: sagas also, so I have a lot to learn. But
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  Speaker 2: when you know, you got I mean, snow White is
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  Speaker 2: the alchemist, right, She's working with these gnomes, right, these
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  Speaker 2: earth elementals, and they're bringing these gems up from under
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  Speaker 2: the earth.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But she's also teaching these gnomes how to be more
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  Speaker 2: refined themselves. Right. They're learning how to bathe, they're learning
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  Speaker 2: how to dress properly, they're learning how to eat. I
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  Speaker 2: mean and then she dies and is reborn. There's all that,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just the way he explained. It's like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: the actual well, it's it's a lot of rosicrucion themes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because Disney was in the Demoalay Lodge, right,
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  Speaker 2: and and so yeah, it's like, dude, it's it's which
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  Speaker 2: a lot of rosicruci themes. You know, go back into
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  Speaker 2: older mystery schools, right, so you know, the chicken or
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  Speaker 2: the egg whatever. But it's like, dude, this is way
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  Speaker 2: more ancient than than religion itself. Not only that, but
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  Speaker 2: the ancient occulted interpretation of the story is beautiful. Why
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  Speaker 2: would you, you know, try to even change it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just to fit a narrative.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 3: Well that you'll find that a lot too. I Mean,
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  Speaker 3: what they'll they'll do is they'll try and change the
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  Speaker 3: meaning of something so that now it changes people's focus
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  Speaker 3: away from that thing and towards something that they want.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's a common thing with all Antiinomianism, is they
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  Speaker 3: flip around the meaning of something that is popularly known
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  Speaker 3: to try and steer society in a direction that they
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  Speaker 3: kind of wanted to go and so Antiinomians. It's Antiinomians
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  Speaker 3: would do the reverse of all of this stuff in
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  Speaker 3: Helloa if they were trying to curse it, right, and
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  Speaker 3: so ritualistically, Helloa was similar to Thesmaphoria, another festival to
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  Speaker 3: honor Demeter in the significance of women's participation. Both festivals
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  Speaker 3: involved lusty words and activities, an abundance of sexual symbols,
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  Speaker 3: and the consumption of much wine and pornographic confectionery.
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  Speaker 1: So they were eating big old dick cakes.
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  Speaker 2: I won't wait, wait, wait, wait, hold hold on, and
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  Speaker 2: and you mean that quite literally, like the cakes were just.
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  Speaker 3: Huge pornographic confectionery.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, would you have eaten one of these? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it was for the ladies Women's festival. Okay, yeah, the.
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  Speaker 2: Women probably a lot of game in there. But remember, guys, uh,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at actual history in ancient Greece, they
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: had very very strict uh penalties against being gay.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they did them, like shit, So uh you
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: know all this stuff about yeah, right, it's it's a
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: mixed bag because it's just a democracy kind of like
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: what we live in today. It's like how can you
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: blame the Greeks? Look around, Look around, you dummy. You
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: know so anyways, but they might have perfect okay, let
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: me see, consumption of much wine and pornographic confectionery. The
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: women celebrated alone so that they might have perfect freedom
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: of speech, and some sources state that the sacred symbols
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of both sexes were handled. The priestesses secretly whispered into
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: the ears of women present the words that might be
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: uttered aloud, and the women themselves uttered all manner of
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: unseemly quips and jests. You know why they did not
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: have freedom of speech. In the town, women were treated
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: kind of like property. So this was their big vacation
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: away from the expectations of society. So Demosthenes highlights the
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: role of priestesses, pointing out that she, rather than the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: hiero chief priest at the Elucidian mysteries, presented the fruit
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: offerings and conducted the initiation ceremonies under the presidency of women.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: He also emphasized that it was unlawful to offer any
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: blood sacrifice, using as an example the story of the
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: higher Fan, who was cursed because he offered in the
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: court of a loosis burnt sacrifices of an animal victim.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: So all of the sacrifices were great, Okay, common theme of.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: So that debunks the whole human sacrifice on the Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: That's not what they're doing here obviously. But again, this
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: is this is all centered around the fields, right because women,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: their fertility is connected to the fields fertility and getting
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: them all horned up from midwinter sounds like a pretty
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: good tom actually, because they're going to come home and
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: they're going to want to get it on with you, okay, right,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: because they were trying to promote these people, right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Because of all these fertility festivals. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yuyan
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: for fertility festivals. Again, let let women, uh i know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: eat penis cakes. But see they're they're doing it now
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and they're making it. You know, it's it's disgusting, right,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: They're they're bastardizing all all of that kind of stuff,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: you know, to to where the original meaning of it,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you know, to where it may have been fun, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you know, now it's it's just kind of looked at
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: as just degenerate and gross and well this is.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Women only Remember, like what they're trying to do is
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: they're trying to get them, separate from the men, get
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: them all horned up, and then release them back onto
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: these unsuspecting men. Right, that's the expectation at least.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, Lucy, Uh, what's up NEFLM Hunter, what's up? Guys
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: like the stream? Okay, we'll be a pussy and uh,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Happy new Year, everybody, Happy New.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Year, Happy New Year. Indeed.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: So I'm telling you, if you want to have a
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: happy New Year, we got to go back to the
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Helloa festival. Okay, get them all horned up and then
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: set up loose on the unsuspected public.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Dude.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, especially if you're in a more
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: secluded community right somewhere where someone can't be taken advantage
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: of or anything, you know, like, you know, because that's
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: what people obviously would would worry about.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Does this sound like sorority house type activities.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Somewhat?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big time.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Well, where where's the idea of the sorority and all
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the rest of that come from?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You know, letters and all that? Dude, I mean, dude,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: we have to do a whole episode on that. I'm
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: very interested in how that migrated over to colleges and dates,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: because I know, like it's like we're the rebranding of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Rome right eat on or whatever. And but as far
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: as Greece goes, you know, I mean, I know, we
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: probably have a lot of customs that we carry down
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: from Greece that we we don't even recognize, right because
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: we're told that it comes you know, this is a
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Judeo Christian customer. This is a you know, American, Like
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: these are American values, and it's like, well, these values
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: came from somewhere. You know. I get it in a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: sense if you're arguing for politics in America or something,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I get that. But when we're talking about this kind
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: of stuff, you know, can you.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Really say that these Greek fraternities have had any other
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: any more problems than any other sort of college organization
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: on campus.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I know, I can't say, dude, you know, if it
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: is fraternal, I'm all for people having their own groups
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: that help them out, but we can't you know, put
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: them like the parties. Man, we'd always fight the frat guys.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I had some, but I had like friends that were
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: frat frat boys as well. It's just not you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: they may have went to a different college or something.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: But plus it's it's all a big joke.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, we're not looking at it with the piety that
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: the Greeks looked at their own religion.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it has gone wild, exactly loose. But uh,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that's what we want to see. We want to bring.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: We want to bring the wolf bitches story to life,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: make subliminal messages story reality.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Well, that's at least the place to do it, dude,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: it is the place. If you're gonna have wolf bitches.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have capture dog women. So I don't know
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: how that, hell, how well that's gonna work out, but uh,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: maybe they'll come willingly, all right, no one, no one
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: could that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: So Demeter was the Olympian goddess of agriculture, grain, and bread,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: who sustained mankind with the earth's rich bounty. She presided
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: over the foremost of the mystery cults, which would be
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the Illicity of Mystery School, which promised its initiates the
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: path to a blessed afterlife. In the realm of Elysium,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Demeter was depicted as a mature woman, often wearing a
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: crown and bearing sheaves of wheat or cornucopia. That's where
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: we get the cornucopia. So you guys don't really associate
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Thanksgiving with paganism, but there you go. The cornucopia is
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: a religious symbol of the Greeks.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, wasn't that one of the ways that they
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: would have to get ancient people or these people in
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the past who converted to who ended up converting to Christianity.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: That was how they got them to follow these traditions, right,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: because they adopted a lot of them from their traditions,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: their European traditions.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Excuse me they I mean look at the Mary Christmas
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Merry and Christmas. Yeah, they did a lot of that stuff.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Some of the more famous myths include featuring the goddess
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: include the abduction of her daughter Persephone by Hades and
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the Great Dearth she brought upon the earth, the nursing Earth. Yeah,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: so she caused me. Sorry, I just can't see you
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: right now. I'm looking at the page and I'm the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: nursing of Demo Foon, the young son of King Kelsis
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: of Alyssis. The journey of trip Tryptolemos, a hero said
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: by the Goddess to instruct mankind in agriculture. One of
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: the early ones too her assault by Poseidon, who forcefully
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: coupled with her in the form of a horse. Who's that?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Who's that queen that had had an ongoing relationship with
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the horse?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: H Catherine the Great? Catherine, which Catherine.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Catherine the Great?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Wasn't she involved with the sween like?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Which of us?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: She was? Russia?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Russia?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I believe so. And there was a rumor that she's about.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Catherine de Medici or Catherine de Sforza. You know the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: spores of family, one of the black note nobility families
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: has this lady in their bloodline named Catherine Catherine de Sforza,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and she was a famous alchemist. Yeah, yeah, worth the
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: deep die maybe uh uh? Sorza meant the bloodline of
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the snake, I think, having something to do with that. Uh.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Well, the story is that Catherine the Great died while
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: having sex with the horse. That's a persistent but completely
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: false myth, meaning it probably happened originating from a political
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: enemies to discredit her. Oh so it was the early
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: life check on that Catherine genuinely loved horses and was
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: a skilled horsewoman, so obviously they had to say that
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: she was doing it with them. But she actually died
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: from a stroke while on the toilet. What I would
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I would take that horse rumoring.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Out like Gigi from the Sopranos. Dude, right, I went
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: out like Elvis. Elvis didn't die on the toilet, guys,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: He's still there.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still around. But yeah, so uh, it was
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: not a horse that did it. Sorry, guys, I know
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of you had a lot invested into that story.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Like me, Wait, so does that just mean that she
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: had like something as big as a horse's thing like up, like,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: did someone like murder her?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: No? No, it was just you know, the rumor was
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that she died while banging a horse in the stables
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: because she was a very promiscuous woman. That was part
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: of the smear campaign is that she would do anything,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: including horses.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, fire Petre said, Yeah, of Russia, Okay, it's
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: crazy russ.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Right, look out for those horse girls.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I love watching a horse girl Instagram. That stuff is hilarious.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Wait, are you talking about the girls that like gallop
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: around like horses and they're kind of like.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: That's too weird.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just talking about the girls who are obsessed
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: with horses and then they grow up into women who
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: are obsessed with horses, and so they have to have
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: a horse somehow.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: It's like their spirit animal or something. Dude, like they're
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you could say, it's like they're familiar, right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: They fall in love with it as a little girl,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: and that's all they think about is riding horses.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I love horses. I think they're great. There's something
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: about them. I'm pretty sure, uh, something along the lines
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: of what a cat does for you.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: They heal you spiritually.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You know, they take negative energy away, and you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure beans is you're like, you know.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: All we need is a horse and then we're good.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Like we just need to put me between the horse
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: and the cat and I will be healed fully.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, give me a horse, dude, all right. Indeed,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: my audience takes that differently. Guys watching on the Occult
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Rejects YouTube, don't go to my rumble. You don't want
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to see that chat. It's not bad. Right now, I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: don't know where everyone is. I think Asput's doing his
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: piano show tonight. He may have started already, but I
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: had cold of conspiracy on it. It just got oh
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: my god. I was like, dude, this is wildly It's
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: funny because I told Jacob. I was like, hey, man,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: just I know the last time you came on my
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: audience for doing you know, all this stuff in the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: chat they were in throwing throwing words out there and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: slurs and stuff, and I was like, it won't happen
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: this time. I swear and lo and behold dude, they
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: just start going crazy.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, what fuck.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: It made me laugh at the time, though, so I
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with you all?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: But then I'm like, this is my audience.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I love my audience a bunch of skitzo.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Sorry, didn't mean to go off on that tangent now,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I just I think maybe I was talking to myself
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: right there. Anyway, Well, back to Demeter in the Hella festival.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm looking up the Callens festival right now, and
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: oh cool. Uh uh So the Callans was when they
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: celebrated the New Year.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I read something on that when I was researching for this, right,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I was reading upon it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so again this goes into what we're talking about
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: here today. So this is also kind of this midwinter
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: kind of festival, right that is centered around Janice and
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: the re emergence of light, right, So Saturnalia would be
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: around the twenty fifth, and then or the twenty third,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: usually with the solstice.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And then Talents would be around the first.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: So the Roman festival of the Callens, especially the January
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: talents in Saturnalia, heavily influenced early Christianity, with customs like
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: gift giving, feasting, decorating homes with greenery, and merrymaking being
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: absorbed into Christian holidays like Christmas New Year's To ease conversion.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Ease conversion, the church strategically placed Christ's birth on September
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: twenty fifth to coincide with and offer a Christian alternative
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to the Roman inter solstice festivals like sol Invictus and Saturnalia,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: symbolizing Jesus as the light of the world. Now, this
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: is all just ai slop, right, So you're gonna have
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: to look that up for yourself.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Well, that's where one of the main arguments is.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, think about.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: This is a fact.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Right, So we've got about ninety five to ninety five
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: or six percent of the you know, professional world of
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: people who talk about this stuff agreeing that, yeah, it
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: does come from paganism and it never really should have
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: been debated because we could see, you know, how much
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: they took from Soul Invictus. Even Tertullian said that the
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: different festivals, like the Mythras festival is a vicious plagiarism
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: of Christianity. But we actually know he was reversing that order.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: It was an Acu mission, right, he was accusing while
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: admitting that he's the one who actually took a lot
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: of the stuff from the Mithras cult and put.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: It in Christianity.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Mis existed back with Zoraster. Dude, are you fucking kidding me?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, truly that they copied him, right.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Dude, that predated most like well, and people will argue
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: with me on this, but I did that pre date,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: like the Hebrew religion, like the whole pretty the whole
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Tora being being written, right, it was.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of developments that took part in
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: the shaping of the Torah that happened in uh, you know, Iran,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: in Persia before it ever migrated over to the people
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: who wrote the Septuagint. So yes, there was a lot
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: of influence coming from that direction. So Saturnalia and Callan's,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: these popular Roman festivals featured feasting, gift exchangeing general ravelry
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: and decorating homes with greenery. Now again, like during the
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: midwinter festival. For the Greeks, they love that wine. That's
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: what they were trying to do. They were getting the
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: first fruits, which means the first harvest of the year
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: was already turning into wine by the time that their
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Helloa midwinter festival was taking place.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Solenvictis December twenty fifth.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Was also linked to the Unconquered Sun, a Roman solar
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: deity solar Son, son of God. Right, he's got twelve
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: disciples anyways, further making the winter Solstice Christian adaptation strategic timing.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: The Early Church, specifically in particularly in the fourth century
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: under Emperor Constantine, set Christmas on December twenty fifth to
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: replace pagan celebrations, making the transition to Christianity smoother. Why
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: did it need to be smoother In the time of Constantine,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: they kind of had a whole plan, didn't they. Replacement
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: replacing Jesus. Jesus' birth as the light of the world
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: on the winter solstice date symbolically countered the pagan worship
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: of the Sun, So they wanted to kind of make
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: it impossible for you to do your religion and instead
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: you had to do their religion. So it wasn't really
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: all that free, right, tradition and absorption practices like feast,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: gift giving and festive lights from Saturnalia and the calends
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: were integrated into Christmas and New Year's celebrations. Actually, the
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: early church father said, we want nothing to do with
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: this because gift giving and these trees are all found
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in the book as satanic and evil.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah practices.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, now, we talked on my episode earlier today.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: You know, the drafts received their you know, messages from
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the gods under the oak tree. Right, and then you know,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you back.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Celebrate Jews don't celebrate birthdays. So why would we be
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: celebrating the birth of Christ unless there were a whole
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: bunch of people who celebrate birthdays.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's so Dagan's dead.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: That's not what Christians did. They didn't celebrate.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Birthdays, right. And then well, and then you have spring, right,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: which I mean, not by natural law, should be considered
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, you know, right, and so
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and you know, I mean, I don't know, I've I've
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: heard people theorize Christ's birthday to be in you know, September.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: It was September eleventh, that's why they did the twin times. Yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you heard that. And then April first, April Fool's Day,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: you know, being in the spring. I mean, that would
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: make the most sense to me if you if if
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you had to go there, you know.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Well, picking July twenty or December twenty fifth solidifies the
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: connection between Jesus and the Sun in a way that
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: nothing else in the book can do. Right, So not
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: only were they taking over that holiday, but they were
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: also placing him at that central focus for all of society.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: This is the light of the world.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: This festival is this, you know, ancient ancestral memory festival
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: going back thousands of years. Now is the Jesus Festival.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Well, and then they'll say that the druids adopted their
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: initiations from Jesus.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Right, what.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: The druids spent three days in the tomb, and then
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: we're resurrected or reborn right out out of darkness, as
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Christ had said to have been. So you know this
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: then the same it's the same with most of these,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: most of these mystery schools, right, the dark Knight of
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the Soul.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Which should bring up why they keep talking about the
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: mystery in the New Testament.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: And you talk about mythras you know, going into caves
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: right and coming back out three days later reborn, and
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: so like dude, yeah, it's uh, but that should make
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: it even more spiritual for people, you know what I mean,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: like that esoteric definition of it. But they that they
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: fear it, and they say, no, that's a bunch of
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: new age guards, Like no, not nothing new about it,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I mean we were talking
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: earlier about the whole wicked thing and how you have
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: people that create their own religions and cults out of
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: this ancient knowledge, right, and that's what's pushed in the mainstream.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: That's what you know, these crazy uh like Wotan cults
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that go and you know, or you know with the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: whole uh what was it, the the Delphi murders and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and and stuff. Yes, I like these people people taking
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: these ancient symbols and all this stuffy and they run
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: with it, you know. But this has been happening for
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: hundreds of years, right, you could take.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: What's interesting about the Delphi murders is that they were
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: drawing heavily from the tarot, right, the tarot depiction of
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the Hangman is it necessarily doesn't have anything to do
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: with Odin in the Havemaal or any of these other
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: source texts. So somebody's actually integrating it with a lot
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: of new age stuff.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Well does it go like, is it older than Odin?
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: You know, specifically, it's the person who's committing these murders
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: is trying to integrate a lot of the stuff. They
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: shape the body in the form of the hangman, which
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: is not accurate to Odinism, right, It's accurate to the
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Tarot card, but it has absolutely nothing to do with
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: the actual practices of Odinism as as well as not
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: having you know, there's nothing in Odinism about sacrificing two
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: girls obviously, right. But what I'm saying is that they're
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: sort of being directed by people who are syncretists. Right,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: They don't they don't care anything about this source material.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: They just want to make it kind of shocking, right.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: They don't actually have any kind of a purpose or
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: goal in mind other than to freak out the normies.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Well, what's happened.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Odin did hang himself on Igdrasil and you know that,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: which is the ash tree and very right there with
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the oak tree.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: The positioning.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: None of their stuff has the positioning that they do
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: with a hanged man card. So it's just assumed that there's.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know too much about Taro, to be honest
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: with you, dude, my my wife does. I don't know
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: why we haven't brought her on in a court reject
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: show yet. We we have to soon. But Arrows, calm down,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: we see you. How easy would it be?
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, again, all of these different elements have
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: to be repeated in some form or fashion to get
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the motif of a cult. Right, So this is what
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: we're talking about when it comes to these mysteries. Mysteries
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: represent a.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Cult, right.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Anytime you hear the word these are the mysteries, what
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: you need to think about is the ellucinitive mysteries, which
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: was a cult. So all of these practices were part
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: of a much bigger broad body of meditation, uh, physical training,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: rictoral purification, all of these things that went into cult initiations.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: So when they're talking about the mysteries and they're they're
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: creating this mystery cult, it is a creation. And people
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: back then kind of understood that it was all of
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: the practices distilled into one thing that you can now
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: bring home to you anybody in the world. It's not
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: you know, it has no ethnic boundaries, right, Anybody can
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: be saved by these new mysteries.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I've had people say yeah, and I've had
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: people say, well, the three days in the tomb isn't literal, Like, yeah, okay,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: it could be interpreted literal, but I know it. I
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: don't interpret it. I interpreted you know, three days and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: you go, uh, you know, to the underworld, and you
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you transgress through the underworld and you know, come back
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: up and you relay what you encountered to the rest
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of your initiates.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Right, and it's it's.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: An intensely you know, it basically simulates death and rebirth.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: To lay for three days at a coffin, I'm moving
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and people are said to have, you know, spiritual experiences,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: but they still do that with the Freemasons. When you
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: get up around the thirtieth degree, they start actually putting
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: you in the ground.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Dude. I've talked about this a couple of times. I
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: don't really like talking about it, but I'm pretty open
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: about it. But back when I was you know, like
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: a decade ago when I was doing doing drugs and stuff,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, going through withdrawal. I mean I was
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: in a literal cave one time. I remember I was
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: having this outer body experience just just in a cave
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: with I would but I don't. I mean, I guess
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: it was a demon. It was something dark, you know
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And it took hours before I could
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: in my mind escape from this cave. It was crazy.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: It's hard to it's hard to explain. Maybe some people
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: who have been do the same thing. No, when I'm
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: talking about just you know, getting off that ship is
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: like shaking the demon. Uh, you know, specifically opiates or fentanyl.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But uh, you know that. Uh, it's one way to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: interpret it, right, But.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I'll but they've got these siteas people.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Put themselves through these back in the day, they were
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: putting themselves through these kind of initiations right.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: To particularly in older esoteric branches, sometimes used cave for
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: cave like structures to symbolically represent rebirth, purification, and descent
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: into the underworld, echoing the ancient mysteries traditions like those
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: of the Druids or the Elucinian mysteries. How come the
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Druids have so much in common with the Elucidian mysteries,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: isn't it weird? And why do they dress like Greeks?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: So bizarre?
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Why is that happening?
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Anyways, with these rituals often involving blindfold or descent or
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: asent through darkness to emerge into light, symbolizing the spiritual transformation,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: death to the old self rebirth into a new enlightened state.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: With some historical logists even hold the actual ceremonies in
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: caves symbolic meaning, right, and they go into all of
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that the uh yeah, So there's a lot of mysteries, right,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of mysteries that you're seeing with the cults, right,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: But that's what you're looking at, is the mysteries and
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: the cults, mythraism. It's all about the cave. I mean,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: come on, guys, it's not that hard to feel you're out.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: It's the mysteries.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And what I was talking about with all that, Yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and then you you know, you come out the other
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: side and you know you've you've learned something or you've
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: gained some kind of type of strength or experience. And
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: in my case too, I mean I don't get sick.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I'll get if I eat something bad, I may get
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: sick or like I don't know, some once or twice
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: in the past decade my kid has gotten sick and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: got me and my wife sick. But that rarely happens.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But ever since, you know, being off of opiate's, I
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: just it's hard for me. It's hard to make me sick.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: You know. I've just been so like definitely sick to
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, I can handle it. I
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: can handle being nauseous or whatever. Uh, this is that. Well,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: if I'm at work and the heat gets to me
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: or yeah, I can deal with it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: That heat down there is no joke.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it gets bad. It gets like one hundred
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: and twenty degrees here in sippy so not a pussy humidity.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I've had friends have heat strokes. Dude, like it. It's
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: fucking terrible. No, it doesn't matter how how tough you
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: think you are, guys, the Mississippi sun will take your soul.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: But so, yeah, I don't know, man, this is interesting
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: because I've never heard of this festival, like ever, is
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: is there any uh movies or anything that kind of
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: give a interpretation of it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Or no, sir, Again, we have. It's all for women,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: so they didn't really write it all down. So basically
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: all the women just retreated under the forest or wherever
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: and just started eating penis.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Cakes, which I mean, I think we can be honest,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Midsummer happened because those people came to these these people's
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: ancestral home and they were like freaking out talking about
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: like you know, I don't know.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I think well, Midsommer.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Was directed by a Jewish man who was trying to.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: That's why A twenty four is so cursed. I guess
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: if you look into it, dude, those A twenty four
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: films and you have like forty two backwards, the Dark
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Mother and all that stuff, and that's that makes sense.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, dude, The Witch was a good movie. I
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: like that movie. It was creepy. I like stuff that
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: scares me. I don't know, I'm weird.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, so Helloa, I have to reiterate, Helloa. You have
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: to eat pornographic cakes. So that's what they were talking about.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we have so the penis cakes, right, and
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: if you haven't had your penis cake this midwinter, you're
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: missing out.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: You've had your bread houses. But you haven't had your
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: penis cake.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: What about a vagina cake?
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Can do vaginay cake too. They were not exclusive. They
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: said it was both genders. They just had to be
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: in the shape of the generals.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: This is how you get tours.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, you need the mold, right, you just slap it
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: in the mold, you put it in the oven. Look,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: there you go.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: They cake.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I'd have to talk to my wife, but I'm sure
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: we can make something happen. I don't know. You gotta
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: ritually superate your kids in the house, man, I can't.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, she has to go to the back.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: How do you explain that though?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: How do you explain having a penis cake or a
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: vagina cake?
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: You just got to do this at night, right, You
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: just make sure that she's out of the house when
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: she's eating.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Bachelor party. There you go.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: That's another awesome way to do it. This is the
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: year for bachelor right. This is all good stuff.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: This is there's penis cakes.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: You've seen the penis straws. Dude, I'm not dude.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I remember I was like a kid and my mom
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: would go to raves like Trance Drummond Bass raves and
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: like Cord Fields and ship back when that stuff was cool. Uh,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you know, and she come back and have like penis
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: straws and like all this crazy stuff. And I'm just like, uh,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: in my room stone with my friends, just.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Like, oh cool, I'll take one of those.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: It's funny anyway, you getting jewels story time guys. Sorry,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to do that, I but I do
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: do that sometimes.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: It's part of the show.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: That's partly you know.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, if we can bring back a little of
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: this tradition, maybe we can become as smart as the
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Greeks were. That's all I'm saying. Penis cakes for bigger brains,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: more children, bigger braids in right.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Or maybe pun all pun intended.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Another thing is the Greeks actually depicted men with diminished
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: penises to indicate that they had bigger brains. Right, so
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: they believe that you had two brains, right, one that
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: was down here and one that was up here. I
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: think we went over this on the episode about Priapus. Yeah,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: if you've got a small wiener, that means you've got
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: a giant brain according to the Greek cosmology. So who knows.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Sorry, oh man.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I know one thing, the guys big old schloms walking around.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: They got an easy life, so why would they need
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: to challenge themselves? Why would they have to have a
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: bigger brain? Oh no, man, that's why I'm such an idiot.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, for yourself, very fucking I can't
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: even read a book. You uh ask my wife please,
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know, don't ask my wife. Uh you get
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: her drunk, and I shall probably come on here and
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: let everybody know we're not going to do that.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: So we're not doing that, guys, We're not We're not
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: going there.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I ordered a whole bunch of this this Jackasses books, so.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: This is uh now you sent me a picture.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, Michael Achino, right, so he's got a
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: going along with mind War. So everybody talks about the
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: mind War, but it was actually three books, and so
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: he's got three of these.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Things, and so uh knock like your shirt.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've also got the Temple of Set. This is
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: the second edition, volume two. I don't know what happened
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: the first one, but I'm gonna read through everything. Michael
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Akino and uh I will we're back.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're back, dude.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I went on my buddy Jose Gallison, when you you
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: know Hosey I went on his podcast. We did a
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: deep dive on the Temple of Set and uh there
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: were some FBI files that were released on it, and uh,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you know it's kind of taken up with a grain
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: of salt, but when you read them, it's like, oh wow,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: like this, you know, it gets into like the theology
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: behind it and like where it like you know how
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Anton Leavay just wasn't going hard enough and so a
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: keno they did a uh I guess uh an invocation
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: ritual and he tried to contact just you know, the
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: uh something that embody nothing but darkness, right, and they
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: got Set and they got Set.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know I reading. I know I reading about Set.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I know I read about Set. Okay, hold on, we
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: got we got uh we got a button for that.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I think we got a button that stream Yard soundboarder.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: We tried to raise money in the past for one,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: but it ended up going to other things Mike and
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: a desk and a bookshelf and all the other things
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: that you see me this isn't a cult rejects podcast, though,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: don't don't don't let me, don't let me make it
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: a great podcast. Y'all can donate to the Occult Rejects
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: as well. Pretty sure there's buying me a coffee.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we hardly ever promote that, but if you go
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: on the Occult Research Institute, I believe that the links
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: would be on there.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: We need to get a Patreon going.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get some people.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll talk to Nick about it. I just
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: think it'd be a good idea.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna make a big push for this spring to
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: be the spring of going out to these mounds, right,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: not just us, but our followers too, Like everybody go
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: out and visit a mound before springtime gets here, you know,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: something like that. Take pictures, put them out there, you know.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, people would go on pilgrimages all the
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: time back in the old world.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: They would go on.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Pilgrimages to their family shrines. They would go on pilgrimages.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: To agent shrines. But you're going out to the mouths.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: So take some pictures of it. It'll be amazing.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Share them with us.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, share our pictures with you, so it'll
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: be a good time.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I think. Oh yeah, dude, make the pilgrimage.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It's up Dot. It's good to see you. Man gave
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: you a shout out on the episode today.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: See, yeah, I'd look forward to when you drop that episode.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Let me know so I can drop it on my end.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Can you know?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I get too anxious about stuff like that. Wait, go
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: back to that other come he.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Said Jordan Maxwell and Michael Aquino. I don't think so.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. Unless he's a he he's a
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: clone unless a Keno was putting on like a fat suit.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: No disrespect to Daddy Maxwell, but unless he was putting
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: on a suit and like, you know, a bald cap
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: and yeah, put makeup on. I don't know mine wars.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Right right, mind war right here? Oh my god, Jason,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: don't leave if.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: You if you want to listen, I could give you
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: those the first introductory thing. So this is you. You
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: guys should hear this and think about the two ways
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: of achieving piece One is where everybody stops fighting. Two
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: is where you brainwash everybody into stopping fighting. All right, right,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: that's the kind of bad you know what. So he goes,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: this is a Dwight D. Eisenhower quote. He goes, every
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: gun that has made every warship launch, every rocket fired,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: signal in the final sense, a theft from those who
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: are not clothed.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: This world, it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Arms, is not spending money alone. It is spending the
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: sweat of its labors, through the genius of its scientists,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: the hopes of its children. This is not a way
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: of life at all in any true sense. Under the
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: cloud of threatening war. It is humanity. Humanity dangling from
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: a cross of iron. That's the first quote in Mind
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: War book. It is humanity dangling on a cross of iron.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: So he's going to get deep into that kind of
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: symbolism in here, I think, I think he's going to
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: go there. But basically he's saying that we can use
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: people's culture against them to get them to stop fighting
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: on us. That's his sort of premise.
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  Speaker 5: Hmmm, yeah, that's it's very uh a cabalistic and yeah,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: you know, very much necessary evil and whatnot.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Again, from his perspective, yes, it would all be a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: necessary evil. But you know, again, this guy is the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: architect of the Satanic panic, where he's using your culture
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: against you to get you to do what he wants.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: So he was not just a Satanist. He was also
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: a colonel and a PhD. So if he's in direct
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: you know, negotiations with the government on how to propagandize
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: the public, how would you do that? Well, they wanted
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: a satanic panic to sort of shovel all the conservatives
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: into this sort of you know, sort of mind controlled
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: state that brings about people like George Bush. You know,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: he was a product of that as well. It was
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: kind of a conservative hysteria.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: No, well, yeah, now you get uh uh you know
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: surrounding Trump, right.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: You got Q right, Q conspiracy and you got Canvae
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: coming in a little bit Q right now.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, it's I'm telling I talked about it on my
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: show today. I called it over a month ago.
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  Speaker 4: Dude.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, why is she starting to talk about
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Crowley and all this stuff? But she's not. She's she's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: she's giving these like explanations for it. That's just like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: it's not you know, that's not the whole thing, you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And it's just like, what why
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: why is she obfuscating some of this stuff and running
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: cover you know what I mean?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: She's just going by what she's heard.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: She hasn't. I don't know, man, I think she's trying
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: to make other people who put out you know, legit
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: or try to right put out legit information.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think this is I think this is revenge.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest, I think she's trying to have revenge
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: on the Republican Party for them not giving a shit
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: about Charlie Kirk, which I think is fully commendable, commendable.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I think that's I don't know what it is, but
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I do think she's somehow.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: You know, she's grabbing headlines every single day to make
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: sure that Charlie Kirk's death doesn't get swept under the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: rug because that's what they want more than anything. That's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: why she's doing it. I don't think she cares about
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: the information. She knows she's not going to solve anything.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, what the hell could she do even.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: If she does.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, is there some insurian candidate who's going to
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: be uh, you know, could be figured by a thing
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: she says and go you know what I mean, like,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: you got to think about a lot of avenues that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: this could go.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Down, lots of different avenues. But all I'm saying is
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: that that kind of stuff is pioneered by guys like
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Michael Lachuino, and that is at the root of what
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: satanic panic was and what it evolved into and how
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: you use crisis actors. And I think a lot of
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: this other stuff really does start to come into question
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: is because they're trying to end engineer our brains.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: They're trying to it goes.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Back to Candace's dad doing the fire alarms and security
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: for Mandy Mook. Right, And uh, how did Alex Jones
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: not know this? Right?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I mean did I don't think he talked about this
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: back when he was, you know, exposing the non Okay, dude,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I think that itself was all theater. I don't think
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: he paid a fucking dollar. It's just my opinion. But yeah,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: we're not going to say the word. But y'all know
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: what I'm talking about obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Well, all I know is that there's a lot more
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: to set that I think a lot of people have realized.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about this recently, and there's there's an article.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: There's an article that you know, I was reading. I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: could bring up if you want me to, sure, And
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: I was reading it with my wife and it's just
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: very uh, it's interesting to say the least.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: So it's uh, uh, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: It's how Yahweh became a donkey headed Egyptian demon called
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: set Yeah, and it gets into you know, the uh,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: the adversary of Upper Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that's the Alexandreimos Graffito.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: So what's interesting about the Bible is that Adam and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Eve had more sons than just canaan Abel. They also
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: had a third son named Seth. And Seth is Greek
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: for set right, the Egyptian devil, So the Egyptian devil
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: and the line of set is the same thing.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That's why they gave Jesus a donkey head is because
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: they believe he's coming through this line of set right,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: so it says a worships this god. And so they're
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: they're making fun of Jesus because he comes through the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: line of set setting.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't he ride in on a donkey, though, I mean.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: It comes in on a donkey, and Moses comes in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: on a donkey, and Balem has a talking donkey, and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: all of these donkey symbols all throughout the Bible, uh
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: sort of start adding up, and you're like, why is
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: there so many donkeys that these significant portions of the year.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: They even do a donkey sacrifice, a donkey ritual in
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Israel to this day. Actually it's a very central part
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: of their their belief systems.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Is this this I'm gonna look it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's look that up, dude, because this is stuff,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: I mean the stuff. We got a question, guys. You know, uh,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: storm God's right right when you look into the Canaanite pantheon. Yeah,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: the storm god, brother of ball ball being, you know,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: just meaning lord coming from Bill or Bell Lou. Did
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: you have more on this article I've got Yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: hell no, we can. We can scan through it for
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: a second. I didn't want to read it just because
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: it's it's so much. But yeah, it just talks about
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: like why the head of the ass. And then right here,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: look at this, So Mars riding a donkey from the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: five planets from the Linge dynasty. That interesting.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: War's writing a donkey. That's actually really setting.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Mars being a god of war, right, yeah, the.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: God of foreigners. You can't have foreigners without them riding
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: in on donkeys.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: From uh right, And then it gets into uh, you know,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: the demi urge, and and then it gets into my
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: theory and then this is uh I was talking to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: subliminal and rat and uh I had sent them this
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: and we were talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Bringing in foreigners today. Huh aren't the donkeys bringing in
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: foreigners today?
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  Speaker 2: You could say, yeah, they're dumb, but uh, they're set
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: with Nephetus. Yeah, I mean some people have equated it
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: to an ant eater, but.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: That as god of the foreigners at.
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  Speaker 2: The Exodus story, that is, that's the thing right there.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the only adversary to the you know, to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the Egyptian gods was right.
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  Speaker 3: And the lamb was a common symbol of Osiris to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: the Egyptians. So by them chopping up the lambs and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: then painting their doorposts with the blood of it, they're saying,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: we did this to your god. We chopped him on.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: The fish were venerated from Osiris. When he was thrown
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: in the river. Three different fish had eaten him, supposedly,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: and you weren't supposed to eat those three fish. Three fish,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? With the sign, you know,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the same sign for Christ
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And you see the you know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: another water motif, right, I've been talking about that lately
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: as well. Water coming from inky or Aa, the god
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: of water, the first one, you know what I mean,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: the first water daddy, I guess you could say. But
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: this story, so yeah, says in other words, the Exodustorian
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: thus Jewish identity itself cast the Egyptians in a decidedly
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: dark and malevolent light. The story not only brands them
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: as sorcerers and murderers, but it also frames their pantheon
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: of gods as powerless before the might of a lone
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: foreign desert god. Yeahweh. The Exodus story also subjugates their
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: divine pharaoh to the role of a mayor pond destined
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: for a watery grave and end that was deemed ignonymous
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: with Egyptian religious thought. Who else met a watery grave?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Well Tamus, but also Osiris? Right, yeah, so this was
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: mocking Osiris. This was Set mocking Osiris just just a theory.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Well, you do have cultures that venerated Set, the rated
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: set specifically because he was the Egyptian devil, and that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: was the Hixos people. The Hixos took in Set as
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: their god because he was hated by the Egyptians. So
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: this was a common Antiinomian practice.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Right for the ancient Egyptians. Drowning was not merely a death.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: It was a calamitous fate, making it and anathema.
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Anathema?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Do you know what that is?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: Anathema?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Anathema? There I go, my small brain, and an anathema
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: to their understanding of a dignified transition to the afterlife.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Oh oh dude, So what it was like it would
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: disrupt their transition to the afterlife. That's fucked up. It's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: like taking a vikings axe away from him and not
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: letting them go to val Halle.
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  Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, Yeah, they did that a lot, especially
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: with the the lamb Ritual soccer vices. That was to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: make fun of Osiris as well, so spreading. So you
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: know how all of the.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: And if you've watched my show, you know Osirius is
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: the you know, the father of the mysteries, right right?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: So, uh, if you look at the the Gnostics, they
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: all believed that God the Father was evil. Why would
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: they believe that, Well, it's because they came through Alexandria
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: and they were kind of this Alexandrian cult about uh,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: you know, more Socratic influenced, but they they kind of
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: they were about the idea of getting rid of these
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: these arkans, right, and they believed that Yahweh was the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: ultimate Arkhan and that Jesus was sent to save us
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: from that Arkhan.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Well, they're they're.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: Using Egyptian cosmology to say that. And they also called
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: the prayers of the early Christians as being or the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Jews as well as like the brain of a donkey,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: y'ah oh, y'ah oh. So they sort of heard the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: sound of a donkey in the way that they were
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: pronouncing the name of God.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, wow, dude, makes sense.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: So exos Asiatic rulers of Egypt from sixteen fifty to
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: fifteen fifty BCE adopted the Egyptian god set the Again,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: they have in parentheses.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Can you see it where I took?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Are you reading what I had up? Or is this
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: what you had up?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: This is? This is what I got?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, I got it?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Can you read that? In there?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: It says set in parentheses Seth like the third son
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: of Adam and Eve, the god of the desert storms
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: and foreigners as their patron, equating him with their own
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: storm god Bail. Bail is also one of the inspirations
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: for Yahweh, right and elevating his worship significantly in Lower Egypt,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: especially from their capital Avarice of Varus. This foreign associated
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: led Egyptians to view Set as a malevolent force, linking
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: him to chaos and the desert, contrasting with the traditional
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Osiris myth where Set murdered Osiris, a narrative later emphasized
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: after the Hikso's expulsion and where did they go? They
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: went right up to Moudanda Israel. Key aspects of the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Hikso's worship of Set, patronage and identity. The Hiksos saw
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Sets a powerful deity similar to their own storm God,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: making him their chief god.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Location.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Set worship became prominent in the Nile Delta, particularly in Avarus,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: at Thehiksos capital associated with foreign lands. Sets existing association
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: with deserts and foreign lands made him a fitting choice
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: for the foreign Hixos rulers. Political and religious fusion, the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: Hixsos elevated Set, linking his worship to their kingship and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: introducing foreign rituals, which changed Egyptian religious politics. The Set animal.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: The Hixos adopted sets distinctive Set animal, a creature with
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: a forktail and a long snout for their iconography further
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: promoting this image. Right, So it wasn't completely a donkey.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: It was kind of strange, but it was considered a donkey.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: After their explosion expulsion, Native Egyptians demonized Set, erasing his name,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: destroying statues, and emphasizing his role as the murderer of Osiris,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: aligning him with evil and chaos like the serpent Apothus.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: This later negative perception was largely a reaction to the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Hicksos period, contrasting with Set's earlier positive roles such as
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: this defending the sun god.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Raw. So what do you think of that?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Wait?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Read that last part about the positive role.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Ab, I'm not sharing that.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I thought, I don't think you had it
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: all pulled up. I think there you go?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: There we Yeah.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: So this is between sixteen fifty and fifteen fifty, and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: the Hicksos adopted Set as their desert god.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: And so the Hicksos.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: Were then expulged from Egypt and they went up into
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Syria northern Israel region.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: My god, and who would these people.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Called the Hiksos?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they used to Where did they come from?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Were they Egyptian, Ziatic? The Asiatic? Yeah?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: So that would be kind of there's no origin. Really,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: they're they're kind of nomadic. Well, I mean, let's have
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: how they end up in Egypt.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: This is after the Bronze Age collapse. They think that
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: these guys came after the Bronze Age and then uh,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: you know, basically set up shop and took over all
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: of Egypt. So they started a sort of foreign force.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Because I know that you said that the Egyptians don't
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: have really any written records of the Jews in Egypt, right.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Right, there's no other you know, mention of them.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: But would this be then the Hicksos.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Might have taken their stories with them, because this is
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: what the Bible does a lot. It incorporates a lot
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: of other culture stories and then just sort of relabels
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: everything as their own. So you could have you can
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: look at the Egyptian tales of all of these different
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: uh you know, big events that were happening to them
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: and be like, actually, these could be said to be
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: curses of set you know, that's what they're doing. They
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: were cursing the Egyptian people with frogs, and they were
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: killing off their firstborn sons and all the rest of this.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: They were a curse on the land. Right, they cursed
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: everybody there, so you could say that they were bringing
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: with them the curse of set and you know, they'd
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: point to that as not only their strength, as they
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: were quote slaves in Egypt, which you know, if you
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: look at the Hisos, they were the rulers in Egypt, right,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: And so they just sort of changed a couple of
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: these variables around with the story to make you know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: the persecution complex and all the rest of that fit,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: and then they kind of set it the way that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: they wanted to say it, you know, but there could
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: have been a lot of Hikso's influence, especially given how
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: close it is to the region.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Rights.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll have to look into them, dude, anyway, but
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: that was a cool set set tangent, absolutely, and you
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: get you want to get back to Demeter, you wanna.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: So, I don't know, I think we could probably wrap
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Want to wrap it up, that's cool, man. I just
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: didn't know if there's anything else that you want to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: add or you know, you.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Think I think we go around the horn and back again.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: But I kind of wanted to show how this cultural
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: diffusion takes place with a lot of these different gods
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: because a lot of people just really don't know how
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: they migrate from one culture to another. And you can
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: see exactly how that happens when you look at the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: hiccsos and their relationship to this set deity, like it
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: had to do with their time in Egypt. They took
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: it with them and Egypt demonized that specific entity. But
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: you know, at the same time, like he wasn't a
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: very positive character to begin with. I think once you
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: start screwing with the original kind of meaning of the story,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: it starts to lose all meaning. When you're you know,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: sort of relabeling things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're changing. It's like the game. It's like the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: game of telephone, right, keep rebranding it over and over.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Eventually it becomes it It takes on a whole new meaning,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: you know, loses anything that it used to mean. So well,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: I actually understand, you know, I'm glad that we uh
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: talked about the Helloa Festival.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think this guy knows anything about the esoteric
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: set influence?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, what's set that.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: Michael Akino? Do you think he knew anything about that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: aspect of the Bible. That's the real question.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think so.
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  Speaker 2: Had to.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm hoping I find.
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  Speaker 3: I hope there's something about this sort of esoteric Setianism.
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  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to change a lot of things, because
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: that would mean that this guy, he thinks he's got
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: it shows the people with his Temple of Set.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Hey, I mean, uh, he was kind of
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, dude, he That's the crazy thing about a
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Quino is like, dude didn't have any struggle, bro, Like
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: they placed him up there, they gave they funded it.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, tax taxpayer dollars funded the Temple of Set.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: I'm almost positive, as well as these other cults that
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: were funded by by the government.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of this was like supercharged from
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies and eighties, you know, like they just
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: sort of took all that MK ultra stuff founder a religious.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah that going on, Yeah, found a.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: Religious application for it, and then just hit the gas
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: on it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, absolutely absolutely, man, Yo. Yeah, fuck tell
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: me what you find, dude, We'll do whatever errors anyway, headless.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Tell people where they can find you, and uh, what
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: you got coming dude.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, tomorrow we've got that big meeting of the
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: mind's going on on Friday.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, tomorrow night, Yeah, tomorrow night, so.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: I'll be there talking about all of this. Yeah, Erros
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: is gonna be there, so we're gonna be talking about
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: these let's at the Gateway program. That's gonna be an
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: amazing shows.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's fucking go. Dude.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, where can people find you?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter? Yeah, if you're watching,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: you know where to find.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Me Headless, Underscore, Giant on Twitter. Man, I don't know what.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're on Instagram? Yeah, yeah you are.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I must be shadow man? Are you both of us?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: I gotta post stuff. I'll find you again.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: I gotta post more stuff too, Dude.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: I gotta get some clips. I make clippable moments, right.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: I made of the uh Peter, uh, what's his name?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Peter Mark Adams. I don't know you see the clip
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: I made that name? You know what I'm talking about?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Your your Yeah?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I reposted it.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right. I need to get better at
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: the editing of it. And uh, I I used to
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: make super cuts for a show that I used to
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: do with Nate from Reality Is Ours And uh, I'm
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: pretty good at making stuff like that. Show the clips,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: give me the clips for it. I can make it,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Right this this show specifically is just filled with all
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: these phallic images and nobody's clipping that up and putting
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: it out there. I think that's that's a travesty.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Well, well, wait, which show.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Us the rust of Gods?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, you could probably find I was gonna say,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: there's probably over one hundred clips of us pulling up
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: these different representations of fallacies and fertility cults and all
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: this this fun stuff. It's all it's all good fun, guys.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: We're having a good time when we do this show.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: And it's this is episode eight. We're still early into
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: the show. We have a lot of other Rustic Gods
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: to go. But uh yeah, guys, dude, if it doesn't
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: even feel like tomorrow's Friday, I work tomorrow and then
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: it's the weekend, thank god. So yeah, y'all tune in
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night for the Occult Reject show. I think it's
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: nine Central maybe I think Nick did it at that
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: time so we could all make it. And then Esoteric
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Book Review Saturday morning. We're finishing up Unseen Forces and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: a Cult Anatomy of Man. I'll be streaming one of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: the books first hour, maybe even thirty minutes, I don't know,
• 1:24:00
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• 1:24:04
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• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: did a show earlier today. It was like a happy
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: New Year's show. You know. We talked about well, we
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: read a lecture, we read a Steiner lecture on the Druids,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: which was very interesting, and then well, and then we
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: kind of had a little recap on this past year.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I gave shouts out to you know you and Nick
• 1:24:33
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• 1:24:37
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• 1:24:41
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• 1:24:44
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• 1:24:58
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• 1:25:03
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• 1:25:12
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• 1:25:15
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• 1:25:21
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• 1:25:30
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• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: We're gonna start doing the yelowheem etymologies again.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: We left off with nine erta. I believe it was
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Nineruta which is very very similar to Archangel Michael.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Uh you know.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well in the in the Mesopotamian Stories, the
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: destruction of the cities of Marduke, it's it's just Sodom
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Magamore story and it's Nergall and Ninuta and they're laughing
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: and killing, just eviscerating people. Uh you know, and he
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: earns the name Scorcher. Maybe that was Nergall, I don't know.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: But so I have a pdf on someone I don't
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: know who wrote it on Nanuta describing him as a
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: great dragon and stuff. So maybe, well we'll do an
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: episode and throw that up there. We can we get
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: something off of that. Uh anyway, But yeah, guys, like
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: I said, Esotery book with you Saturday, and then Sunday,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: I got Toad coming on, our boy Toad from Tower Gang.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: We love Toad. He's coming on Sunday. And then next
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: week I got Austin Picard coming on. And I got
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of cool stuff playing for the New Year,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of merch that's coming. So guys, get ready.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Hung out with my buddy last night who owns a
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: screenprinting shop. I haven't seen him in a year. I
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: saw him last night. Yeah, dude. So and it's right
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: next to the barber shop that my buddy owns where
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: my wife works every now and then. So yeah, man,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of good stuff coming in the future. But uh, anyway, guys,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: take it easy. Hopefully we'll see all tomorrow.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: Night U